THE HERD - Hour 2 - The BIG 10 has separated, Colin defends dynasties in sports, is Duke still the villain?

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Hour 2: The BIG 10 Has Separated, Colin Defends Dynasties, Is Duke Still the Villain?
March 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and insightful hour, Colin Cowherd breaks down the seismic shifts in college sports—especially the dominance of the Big Ten in basketball—analyzes how NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) and transfer rules are changing the game, and defends sports dynasties in the modern era. Joined by Rick Neuheisel, they delve into where and how schools should invest their resources, debate the origins and effectiveness of “dynasties”, and consider if blue bloods like Duke still have their old villain status. The episode also includes a spirited discussion about changes in the NBA draft lottery, “tanking”, and the broader trend of international players in American sports.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Big Ten Ascendance and March Madness Parity

(03:16–13:21)

• The Big Ten's Rise:

  • Colin highlights how Big Ten basketball teams have surged, pointing out potential for an "all Big Ten Final Four," and noting how schools with different spending levels (Iowa, Purdue, Illinois) have succeeded through varied strategies.
  • Quote:
    “You gotta have a coach, you gotta have a culture, you gotta have a structure… you can make a big salary but if you’re buying boats and cars, that salary’s gonna shrink very, very quickly.” (04:09)

• Different Ways to Win:

  • Illinois bought size from Europe; Iowa built mostly without big spending; Kentucky and BYU, large spenders, both flamed out early in the tournament.

• The True Value of NIL:

  • Neuheisel and Colin agree: Big spending does not guarantee success—coaching and culture still trump checks.
  • Quote:
    “I think we overplay NIL… I still contend at the college level coaching and culture trump money, or am I being naive?” – Colin (09:46)
    “You’re dead right. You can’t just throw money at problems and expect things to come together…” – Rick Neuheisel (10:31)

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2. Rick Neuheisel on NIL, Transfers & Building Winners

(07:33–13:21)

• Where College Teams Should Spend:

  • Rick: “You would spend it on the same positions as in the NFL—quarterback, pass rusher, alpha receiver, shutdown corner... Left tackle is a premium position.” (07:33)

• Case Study – Indiana Hoosiers:

  • Neuheisel credits Indiana’s perfect season to Kurt Signetti’s coaching, culture-building, and strategic transfers—especially older, experienced players with a chip on their shoulder and the addition of standout QB Fernando Mendoza.
    • “It was a perfect storm… Signetti, a fantastic X-and-O coach… those 13 kids [transfers] from James Madison were critical...” (08:31)

• Culture Over Money:

  • The role of “disciples” (transfers) in establishing an immediate new culture is as important as spending. The Iowa and Indiana stories are prime examples.

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3. NIL & Transfer Portal: Leveling or Stacking the Deck?

(42:52–51:49)

• The Myth of NIL Creating Superteams:

  • Colin: “People think [NIL] is stacking the deck for the rich—no, it’s broadening the deck. Indiana Hoosiers winning a natty. Illinois basketball looks as good as anybody. Iowa basketball: everybody thinks it’s stacking, but it’s widened the deck.” (43:46)

• Rick Pitino’s Perspective:

  • “Blue bloods no longer control basketball any longer… There’s no such thing as a blue blood anymore… Everybody’s the same in basketball, and that’s what’s going to make it a great product.” (44:48)

• How “Cinderella” Still Lives:

  • Colin and Conal argue March Madness still has upsets, but the idea of perennial Cinderellas was always exaggerated.
  • Quote:
    "Cinderella was always pretty dead… The mythology around March Madness was always overstated." – Colin (49:17)

• Transfer Portal Tweaks:

  • Only one free transfer allowed; second moves require sitting a year—meant to slow down excessive player movement.
  • Debate: Is several transfers a bad thing? Colin: “Why do you care that Stojakovic’s son is bouncing around college basketball… Let him go to the market and he’ll go to the highest bidder, what’s the big deal?” (51:24)

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4. International and Experienced Player Influence

(21:54–27:33)

• NBA and College European Surge:

  • Colin points out best NBA players (Wembanyama, Luka, SGA) and top college teams (like Illinois) are increasingly international.
  • Coach Brad Underwood (Illinois):
    “They have tremendous passion… well-coached young days… Now NIL has opened it up so we can actually get the really, really good ones.” (24:56)

• NIL Keeping College Players Longer:

  • More domestic players now stay longer in college instead of jumping to the G League or NBA as early.

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5. NBA Tanking, Draft, and Dynasties

(27:33–34:02)

• Adam Silver’s Anti-Tanking Proposals:

  • Discussion on potential new draft lotteries and their complexity.
  • Colin: “Isn’t the goal of a league to have the fewest bad teams? ... What you don’t want in any league is a big bottom.” (28:31)
  • “Tanking’s not the biggest problem—three ball repetition, load management are bigger issues.” (32:41)

• Front-Runner Fandom and Dynasties:

  • Colin openly embraces being a front-runner: “I like the Dodgers and I love Duke basketball… I don’t understand the downside of that.” (34:48)

• Dynasties in College Sports:

  • "College sports has always had dynasties... Nobody was complaining during the Alabama dominance... but it bothers people now because there’s money involved. People don’t mind dynasties—they don’t like when you can buy them." (42:52)
  • He argues that because NIL hasn't led to predictable winners, it has actually increased parity.

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6. Broader Trends & Memorable Quotes

On College Coaches’ New Challenges

• “The college job right now… you’re not recruiting players anymore, you’re recruiting money... College sports are idiot proof… even though we have no idea what the rules are.” – Rick Neuheisel (16:12)

On Solving New Systems

• “Anytime you bring in something that is drastically different… it’s never solved day one—it’s always the wild wild west.” – Colin (51:49)

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• On NIL’s Real Impact:
  “I think we overplay NIL… coaching and culture trump money.” – Colin (09:46)

• On Transfer-Driven Culture:
  “You have to have the ability to create a culture… those thirteen kids that came with him [Signetti] from James Madison were absolutely pivotal…” – Rick Neuheisel (10:31)

• On College Basketball Parity:
  “People think [NIL] is stacking the deck for the rich… but it’s widened the deck.” – Colin (43:46)

• On the Myth of March Cinderellas:
  “Cinderella was always pretty dead… The mythology around March Madness was always overstated.” – Colin (49:17)

• On Modern Fandom:
  “I’m a front-runner and I’m happy every day. I don’t want the misery of losing. I like the Dodgers and I love Duke basketball.” – Colin (34:48)

• On Transfer Rules/Athlete Empowerment:
  “Why do you care that Stojakovic’s son is bouncing around… Let him go to the market and he’ll go to the highest bidder, what’s the big deal?” – Colin (51:24)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Topic | Start Time |
|---|---|---|
| Intro & Hour Two Start | Big Ten & March Madness | 03:16 |
| NIL & Culture | Rick Neuheisel’s Insights | 07:33 |
| Indiana’s “Perfect Storm” | Culture + Transfers = Wins | 08:31 |
| College Sports Parity | NIL not stacking, but widening | 43:52 |
| NBA Anti-Tanking | Draft Reform Debate | 27:33 |
| International Influence | Euro Talent in NCAA/NBA | 21:54 |
| Myth of Cinderellas | College Basketball | 49:17 |
| On Dynasties | Why They’re Defensible | 42:52 |

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Tone & Takeaways

• Colin's Tone: Opinionated, playful, direct, pragmatic.
• Guest Contributions: Rick Neuheisel—thoughtful, coach’s lens, storytelling about culture.
• Energy & Flow: Spirited debate, back-and-forth between analysis and anecdote.

Final Thoughts:
This episode frames the current transformation of collegiate and professional sports through perspective, humor, and sharp analysis. Colin’s defense of dynasties, exploration of NIL, and the shift toward international and older college players provides both context and clarity for seasoned fans and casual listeners alike.

Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Rick Neuheisel]

you're listening to fox sports radio

[Colin Cowherd]

all right here we go it's hour two we're in chicago it's the herd rick neuhl in about three minutes dodgers opened up with a win last night march madness has been exceptional the big ten without endowment money good coaches we could have a all big ten final four arizona looks like the best team along with michigan but you know i've said it before there's a lot of different ways to win iowa doesn't spend any money and they're in the elite eight purdue doesn't spend very much money they have a great coach matt painter and they pay their own guys they don't go outside of the program illinois wrote big checks for european guys they went and bought size so there's a lot of different ways to do it kentucky spent twenty million dollars they won a game byu was the second biggest spender one and done so you gotta have a coach you gotta have a culture you gotta have a structure i said it's just like your life and my life you can make a big salary but if you're if you're buying boats and cars that salary is gonna shrink very very quickly yesterday on the show ty simpson's coming on our show next week the alabama quarterback i have said i think he's gonna go middle first round i do think somebody's gonna reach i thought jackson dart was a bit of a reach i thought he was more of a top of the second round guy what do i know but he had lane kiffin coaching offensively he got brian day ball and jackson dart was when he stayed out of the blue tent was pretty damn good this year i think ty simpson similarly kalyn deboer if he goes to the right coach i worry about him going to the jets you know but i think if you put him in the right situation and he can sit for a couple years i think he's a first round player you know not big not not wow traits here was joel clatt yesterday on ty simpson he's not the biggest guy but colin this guy makes really big throws i am so impressed with him every time i turn on the tape with what he does attacking the defense outside the numbers and down the field and that's really what the nfl is looking for he is a tough sturdy quarterback that can make all the throws and those guys just don't grow on trees i think he makes good decisions i'm very impressed with him i think he's a good leader my biggest knock would be his lack of experience doesn't have many starts i will show the mock draft by joel klatt and what i think is really interesting is there's an understanding the jets have that sixteenth pick so if you want him the truth is you may have to call up jason light the gm of the buccaneers because and i do think the pittsburgh steelers are in play here they don't know exactly what's going to happen with aaron rodgers mike mccarthy and aaron have had you know they can say what they want publicly but it's not always been great will howard good player i liked him a lot in college i don't know if he's i don't think he's a franchise guy maybe he is but i think keep your eye on that tampa bay number fifteen pick i think if you the steelers would they be hyper aggressive i don't think i mean they're drafting twenty one you wouldn't have to be that aggressive could you go up i mean i think it's something to think about i absolutely think it's something to think about and with that rick neuheisel he coached colorado washington ucla former nfl coordinator is taking the job of the dallas renegades you know it's interesting pro football and i had this discussion once with herm edwards he's like if you don't get the quarterback right bill belichick knows this it gets ugly really fast in the national football league in college it's more i mean you were lucky and marcus tui osopo you got to a rose bowl and wanted at washington i think against purdue if i remember that's right quarterback matters but roster is probably bigger than quarterback so i want to ask you about the nil it's important rick we know that and a place you used to coach is ucla well ucla is an international university as you well know you're not paying your assistants two and a half million dollars the sec they'll do it they're not doing it i want to ask you specifically if you had the money in college where would you spend it because you know i'm watching iowa spends no money and they're in an elite eight team in basketball where would you spend it

[Rick Neuheisel]

if you had the money you would spend it on the same positions that you spend it on in the nfl you would go to those difference making positions which are quarterback pass rusher alpha receiver shut down corner because those change the math of football when you have those particular players a left tackle is a premium position the nfl has done a great job of identifying those positions there are some outliers like the bijan robinsons and the saquon barclays at the running back position but the most i think they've done a nice job of realizing where to spend their money well

[Colin Cowherd]

and before we get to the dallas renegades because i have a lot of questions there kurt signetti comes in in your life did you ever in your life think if i told you a team went sixteen and oh it would be the indiana hoosiers to you when you watch signetti what is the secret sauce or is a lot of it

[Rick Neuheisel]

just mendoza it's the perfect storm number one he's a fantastic x and o coach he's a culture builder he has a real belief in what he does and the players buy in those thirteen kids that came with him from james madison were critical to the deal not just because of their talent but also getting the other kids at indiana to buy into the thing and then the nil and the ability to go and get a bunch of transfers identifying older experienced players who had that kind of chip that dna to you know weather storms and stuff and then fernando mendoza comes along and just wows people and literally he's got you know brilliant acumen he was going to go to yale that's what kind of bright kid he is but those throws colin that accuracy with the back shoulder throw to the wide side of the field that's rare air so it was a perfect storm and indiana fans rejoice that i mean i my realtor out here in dallas she's an indiana fan she went to the rose bowl the peach bowl and then the miami she said she never spent money so wisely yeah no it's

[Colin Cowherd]

really interesting rick you were a quarterback you played you were a coordinator you were a college coach you're an analyst i mean you've worn a lot of different hats i i my take on the nil it allows it allows for indiana it allows a coaching staff to rebuild quickly but my you you watch usc and lsu they've had a lot of nil money and they haven't delivered i i think i rick i think we overplay nil it's valuable i'm not saying it's not valuable i still contend at the college level coaching and culture trump money or am i being naive

[Rick Neuheisel]

i think you're dead right i don't think you can just throw money at problems and expect things to come together as you hope they will you have to have the ability to create the culture and i said that was the number one attribute to the indiana story the ability to create a culture that everyone bought in and thirteen kind of disciples coming from james madison to tell guys how we do things at indiana i think was was absolutely pivotal you look at this iowa basketball story right the kid from the division two school goes to drake for one year this sturts kid right he's a culture creator at iowa ben mccollum doesn't have to just tell people how it's going to look he's got a guy that shows him how it's going to look that's really really important as you're building something and trying to change the paradigm of what people expect from a particular program

[Colin Cowherd]

you are a very good college quarterback and i'm old enough to remember all of it and your son's also a coach and you've been doing you know sec stuff for a long time you know i watch every weekend is for a long time the sec twenty years and i defended it i'm like they care more they spend more i got no facilities are better the coaching staffs are you shocked over the last three years i looked it up this morning in the march madness the last three years big ten teams that are favored are thirty two and five three of the five losses are wisconsin it's literally the paradigm has shifted rick it's like sec dominates wait a minute the big ten is clearly number one are you

[Rick Neuheisel]

shocked by it i am i think the parody in the sec has caught up to him a little bit it's hard to build the super team as nick saban and kirby smart did right the ability to stockpile defensive line talent that both of those guys did and certainly kirby learned it from nick how to do that has gone by way of the whales now you've got a bunch of revenue in those programs in the big ten and eager programs in the big ten to join the fray right you look at what brett beelam has done at illinois you look at obviously the indiana story is one that resonates these programs have figured out listen we now can use our money to go out and bring capable players here and we have as much now in the way of eagerness to join the the ranks of the big time the blue bloods if you will we've seen michigan and ohio state do it for years penn state's been right nipping at their heels now a bunch of other teams are saying we can do it

[Colin Cowherd]

as well so you've had opportunities to coach and you've broadcast raised your kids and now the usfl calls which i've been saying for three years is watch the games quarterback receiver back corner there's nfl guys here there's lane there's speed there's twitchiness i can o line if you're good nfl is going to grab you pretty quickly because the o line play in the nfl is not great what turned you on to this opportunity because you've had more than a few over the last fifteen years it you

[Rick Neuheisel]

know spring football i played spring football i was in that usfl when jim kelly and doug flutie and herschel walker and anthony carter and reggie white yeah i was played for the san antonio gunslingers so i have great memories of having had that experience and know how talented players can be at that level and then i coached in the alliance of american football just a couple years ago for the arizona hotshots and getting coaches to come back with me colin was like getting the band back together i mean it was and so we enjoy it immensely it goes quickly it's a three month stint it's not a year round deal if you're worried about your energy level i mean it is just absolute nirvana for a coach coaches love to coach kids love to do what they're asked to do because they want one more shot at the brass ring i could not imagine a better coaching scenario for anybody especially with someone with experience because this is the purest form of football you were just talking about nil these kids are on scholarship everybody makes the same everybody just wants one more chance to play and i promise you having been on the practice field for now the last five weeks there's plenty of guys that can play

[Colin Cowherd]

on sundays yeah no i don't think there's any i don't think there's any doubt and i have been a believer in spring football i just think it has to be quick succinct to the point you got to get the right cities you know rick it's interesting as a quarterback you coached as a coordinator in nfl head coach college and i talk about this a lot is i don't know if i would leave college football i think there's a renaissance in college basketball and college football with older coaches because it used to be you had to have that young guy energy to go recruit now it's administrative now you just write checks belichick may work i mean seriously there's a lot of check writing you don't have to be as a coach at an au tournament patino refuses to recruit high schoolers so would you rather today if you were offered the ravens job or oregon two great jobs respective of their industries what's the better job as a coach college

[Rick Neuheisel]

or pro well knowing phil knight like i do that oregon job's pretty good i promise you that's a good one but having been in the raven organization i enjoyed the heck out of that too steve boschotti is a guys guy he's a blast i think both are fun both have their complications right given the expectations that come with them the college job right now as i talk to my friends the old buddies in the coaching profession you're not recruiting players anymore you're recruiting money and somewhere along the road the leaders of college athletics and i know they had kind of a summit at the white house a couple of weeks ago it was kind of a we are the world of college football trying to you know we come together and such i think that cody campbell that billionaire from texas tech said it best we're going to have to deal with some pain before we're going to get to the other side people are all going to have to give a little and hopefully we can get there because as my friend in the chris childers on my the radio show that i participate in says all the time college sports are idiot proof we're watching it in march madness it's unbelievable how well they do college football delivers the numbers keep going up even though we have no idea what the rules are ask dabo sweeney he'll tell you what the rules are no one has any idea but yet we can't wait to tune in yeah it's great

[Colin Cowherd]

seeing you your son's been a wonderful story now he's at northwestern now he took he took a quarterback coach at

[Rick Neuheisel]

northwestern and let me take this opportunity to again apologize to penn state fans for losing my my neutrality in the course of a network i put on dad goggles like no tomorrow colin no tomorrow that was a lot of fun

[Colin Cowherd]

yeah you also have a law degree if i remember don't you i do

[Rick Neuheisel]

i do i haven't had to use it of late and hopefully i don't have to anytime soon rick it's great

[Colin Cowherd]

seeing you look great and congrats on the job with dallas we're going to

[Rick Neuheisel]

have fun i hope you'll tune in and it'll be hopefully kevin sumlin and i are one in one against each other we got each other tomorrow we'll see who gets the rubber match all

[Colin Cowherd]

right appreciate it rick thank you see you my friend you bet they don't do the tush push tush push is banned in ufl you can go after a touchdown you can go for a one two or three point conversion that's interesting i am a believer remember the vince mcmahon league when they use some of the the aerial cameras and the nfl was like yeah that stuff works i they have four point field goal if you kick a field goal sixty plus yard field goals are four the other thing they're doing is you only have to have one foot in with a catch that one's interesting because if you only had to have one foot in with a catch boy nfl games would be quicker it feels like every weekend if there's one play in a game that slows it down is did he get that second toe in so it starts on fox good stuff we got a break here yeah we do we'll take a break j max around the corner also today mick cronin ucla basketball coach who's been outspoken with the nil and his needs with ucla the bruins basketball program hits the herd

[Rick Neuheisel]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Conal Brennan]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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suitable for all investors customers should carefully consider the associated risk before investing visit webull dot com disclosures well it's interesting we've watched the nba the best players in the nba right now wemby international player luka international player sga international player you know it's happening right in front of your eyes college basketball you can j mac was texting me last night you can see the european influence brad underwood's the coach of illinois maybe more than anybody they opened up the checkbook they got on a plane they went to europe and they went and and they went and bought some really good european players and here's their coach earlier this year on why i love the fact that they have tremendous passion for the game they've been extremely well coached in their young days they're fundamentally very sound now nil has opened it up so we can actually get the really really good ones ones we've had guys before but maybe not the top quality ones the other trend is quite simply the nba the best players in the nba are european players now and so we're following a trend it's exciting for them to come here and play now i do think it's reversing a little bit in the last couple years i think this was a very good domestic draft this coming draft now this year a very good domestic draft and i think one of the reasons it's shifting back you'll see more great domestic players is the nil is that instead of hurting your development and going to the g league or going to the nba probably when you're nineteen you could probably use forty more college games is the nil is allowing those second round guys to come back and can they get themselves into the mid four first round and so i think you know everything in sports it's it's cyclical and and college basketball was pretty lean and then the nil arrived and now college basketball is more european and the the best domestic players they're just staying longer and they don't they you know i'm a big believer in college basketball over the g league g league's had chris finch nick nurse it's had good coaches i'm not saying it hasn't but i what i like about college basketball is the exposure the kid comes into the nba and you know he can get a shoe deal fast because people watch them at duke or carolina or arizona uconn the second thing i really like about it is you play in these hostile arenas not kind of a juco circuit you play in big time arenas well that's like nba pressure and you know cooper flag at duke i mean cameron indoor may not be big but he's going on the road and it's loud and i think that's i that's that's why when you play at these big brand college basketball powers you're going on the road as a michigan wolverine and it's it's pretty loud and it's pretty nasty so i mean what michigan's best player jackson lindenberg he could have been a first round guy last year he would have been a first round guy six nine two forty runs the floor can hit a three he comes back and now he's going to be a lottery pick and that's the difference those guys that were like twenty third pick oh now he's fourth and that kid has so much more confidence now than a year ago because he is now a dominant college player not just a good one a great college player so in illinois they open up the checkbook and that offense in fact i think it's the number one offense in college basketball illinois they went and bought size and scoring here's j mac with the news no

[Rick Neuheisel]

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[Conal Brennan]

feel like you've been waiting for this story for months colin adam silver announced this morning that the nba has presented three anti tanking measures to the board of governors and we're going to put them on the screen for you sorry for the radio audience it's confusing as hell i don't love any of them colin so we'll start with the first one eighteen teams in the in the draft lottery the bottom ten and the eight playing a lottery draw for all eighteen picks okay i guess that's something it's rewarding the play and it's like hey you're still rewarded if you try to make the playoffs the second one is confusing but people seem to like it twenty two teams in the draft lottery using a two year record lottery draw for up to the top four picks minimum win total floor like what are we doing adam let me ask you this this is so confusing isn't

[Colin Cowherd]

this isn't the goal of a league to have the fewest bad teams you can't control great teams because sometimes you know teams hit like okc accumulates draft picks hits a bunch of them but what you don't want in any league is a big bottom you want your teams either really good and fun and watchable or competitive what you don't want is a big large bottom you know nfl usually has three teams like they're bad you don't want eight because for the record if you got eight teams like the nba eight to nine bad teams every other night one of those teams is coming to your arena and they're blowouts and it's not competitive and it's bad sports so ask yourself this if the i think as a commissioner my goal would be to get everybody in the league either great or competitive and realistically you always got a couple of stinkers a star somebody gets injured whatever well if you take up these anti taking concepts with the new cba which doesn't allow you to make sweeping trades well how do you go from awful where there's eight teams that are awful too viable so now you can't do it with tanking now you can't do it with a cba and the aprons you can't do it with big sweeping trades acquisitions have never been harder so how are all these bad teams going to get interesting yeah well they

[Conal Brennan]

have to tank to get a good player that's the easiest solution okay so

[Colin Cowherd]

that's what utah and indiana are doing so what they're i don't think tanking is their biggest issue i think the repetition three ball load management are bigger issues in my opinion but if you're going to take away tanking so so the eight teams at the bottom how do they at least utah and indiana i mean when halliburton comes back and if they get a great pick yeah

[Conal Brennan]

let's say that caleb wilson from the

[Colin Cowherd]

unc pacers are going to be excellent

[Conal Brennan]

next yeah they are they'll remove them

[Colin Cowherd]

from the tanking if utah gets the number one pick and they get the kid from byu they've got enough good young players oh they'll be a playoff team yeah absolutely yeah so if this thing had been enacted a year ago well how would indiana and utah go from unwatchable yeah to excellent yeah it's

[Conal Brennan]

like the washington wizards they had one of the top picks they got the kid alex sar he's not ready now they got trey young anthony davis like they they're desperate they need a good player so what do you do you tank personally i think this is a little overblown so do i i think it's a little inauthentic when people referenced well the nfl eighty two games like this is nothing like the nfl okay nothing at all eighty two games long season one player lebron wemby tim duncan can totally change your fortunes at the top and it makes sense to tank these these measures i don't know how they're going over online i haven't really

[Colin Cowherd]

you know what i think would end tanking if you had the ability like other sports to trade anybody whenever you wanted to and that would mostly end tanking because as an owner at gm i'm like guys go to the billionaire owner we want that player now you have to have salaries that it makes it so hard but then you become

[Conal Brennan]

baseball right where it's like paul skeens is on the pirates he's a young guy oh the yankees and dodgers are oh who's getting paul skeens anybody good on memphis or let's throw that up

[Colin Cowherd]

let's throw it up paul skeens the idea that the dodgers are the only team that can afford him the yankees the mets the braves the astros the padres fine six teams no the dodgers i don't buy there's only one team the toronto blue jays have a lot

[Conal Brennan]

of money so dodgers money well the dodgers just rename their field dodgers stadium so they can make more money from overseas to profit off ohtani and the pitcher like come on the big markets are just going to dump they are going to dominate in baseball if there's no cap you have to admit that

[Colin Cowherd]

well the angels were six zero against the dodgers and the brewers were six zero against the dodgers in the regular

[Conal Brennan]

season i mean my trout my trout was buried while the angels couldn't get to the playoffs again there's no magic bullet here that's going to solve everything ultimately i don't think this is a

[Colin Cowherd]

huge issue and you and i both agree tanking's not the biggest problem load management's a problem the repetition of three nobody wants to watch eighty three s that's not good basketball i don't mind

[Conal Brennan]

that but you know i'm a gunner that's that's what i do all right let's take in the nba colin interesting story so we talked about the knicks and the celtics kind of jockeying for position each of them wants at home court in the second round well something's going on with carl anthony towns he got benched down the stretch for the second straight game subbed out with eight minutes left and did not get back in the game i mean this is like a max contract guy colin mike brown said hey we were getting killed on the glass and it was physical we needed mitchell robinson in there yeah

[Colin Cowherd]

yikes well i carl anthony has been a great offensive player for a long time he remains that there are spots late in games i don't think this is that big as big a story there are spots late in games where he can be a liability defensively so i i think there are he's got limitations none of them offensively but i don't i don't this doesn't feel like it's disruptive i think in late game situations close when you got to make a stop i don't want karl anthony towns on the floor okay so over

[Conal Brennan]

fifty million dollars a year to this guy and you got to pull him out for the final five minutes of a close game well that ain't great

[Colin Cowherd]

hack a shaq shaq was the most dominant player in the league i didn't want him i didn't want him on the floor with a minute and a half to play yeah

[Conal Brennan]

so you so i mean listen if you get giannis this ain't an issue the knicks all of a sudden i thought finals the whole season colin with the celtics getting tatum celtics just beat the thunder starting to worry about my knicks i think the giannis gianna's trains picking up do

[Colin Cowherd]

you like any good teams like do any of the teams you like are they any good why are you doing this to me no i'm just asking

[Conal Brennan]

a question my team stink maybe i like to pick losers so i can be angry all the time yeah and i can't i can't have good things what do you want me to root

[Colin Cowherd]

for winners well i mean i just i want me to be a front

[Conal Brennan]

runner you want me to go hey i like the chiefs the patrick wall

[Colin Cowherd]

i'm a i'm a front runner and i'm happy every day i don't want the misery of losing i like the dodgers and i love duke basketball i don't i don't understand the downside of that being a front runner yeah i'm out front terrible okay yeah okay it's

[Conal Brennan]

a straight up front runner that's it all the winners hey you know iowa's good you want to get an iowa

[Colin Cowherd]

iowa i think the iowa story is terrific but i think michigan and arizona are blue bloods or green bloods these days but i mean i like watching them play like watching the teams that have more nba guys sorry guilty as

[Conal Brennan]

charged sorry i'm a loyal loyalist when it comes to my teams i'm going to stick with my new york jets until that sinking ship fails final story final story con let's go to my nfl mock draft now i know we did klats earlier this week i'm continually surprised that people have ty simpson in there i do not have ty simpson in my first round forget the top sixteen i do still think mendoza holds onto the one spot jeremiah love at seven to washington so dan quinn is kind of fighting for his job we know he canned all the assistance he's kind of forced to what do you do with jaden daniels do you get him help on the offensive line or do you get him a skill position guy so you can get that offense miami back to what it was two

[Colin Cowherd]

years ago miami got really old they've got miami's got a lot of issues

[Conal Brennan]

i don't miami has one of the lowest win totals in the league miami jets arizona and cleveland are the worst

[Colin Cowherd]

teams in the league you're actually good at this mock draft stuff i i agree with almost i i think i would not go get carnell tate if i was the giants i would not

[Conal Brennan]

i think that's too high for him i will say i'm taking some heat for real ruben bane falling to fourteen again i'm not bashing the guy he's a playmaker but colin he would be the highest drafted player with those short of arms for his position in the history of the draft so that's why i have him he used to be in a two to six range i dropped him fourteen to the ravens where he's a bit of a bargain there sonny styles twelve to the cowboys i don't know if you like that i think their front seven needs still some more work and i have the jets going with an offensive probably the best guard in the draft whoever their quarterback is in twenty seven he's going to be so happy jets offensive line is

[Colin Cowherd]

coming together j mac with the news

[Rick Neuheisel]

well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news yeah

[Colin Cowherd]

the i i think the most i think the most interesting team in the draft is miami with those four third round picks and they have malik willis so they're going to be more than capable at quarterback and jeff happley defensive coordinator they got to solve the offensive line they got to i mean they have a million questions but my take is is if your quarterback's good and your coach is good let's say halfley's good let's say halfley becomes successful so halfley's successful he makes it he's there in five years and malik willis is as good as i think i you can get really good really fast if you get the offensive line right because they've got a great they've got a great run game great run back you get the offensive line saw behind malik willis couple of weapons of all the teams everybody thinks are going to be awful dolphins have seven of the top one hundred picks that could be seven starters at key positions i miami is the one supposedly awful team i think could could solve it now they got a hit they've got a hit on guys you know they got a hit on an offensive tackle a corner a tight end a wide receiver an edge rusher they got about six guys but they've got seven of the top one hundred picks and also if you look at miami's pick they could trade down and get more picks they could get a fifth third third round picks should be able to start pretty quickly in the nfl so in chicago it's the

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[Conal Brennan]

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[Colin Cowherd]

it is interesting college sports has always had dynasties i mean you can go back to the thirties and forties it was like you know army football or navy football and then the four horsemen notre dame and then you know uconn women's basketball and duke alabama football college sports has always had dynasties my entire life and you know the reason being is if you're number one you don't get the thirty second pick you're allowed to the better you are the more dominant you are the more good players you get opposite of the nfl so it's interesting it just shows you how money divides people is that nobody was complaining about college football during the alabama dominance even though ratings and revenue were dropping alabama couldn't sell out all their home games like at one point it's like you know you can't schedule citadel for a home game beat him by sixty young kids got things to do and so but it bothers people now because there's money involved people don't mind if there's dynasties they don't like when you can buy them and my argument is there's only one of the top four nil basketball programs left and that's duke byu couldn't win a single game kentucky and louisville won one game so iowa didn't spend any money purdue's not spending any money we'll have next hour we'll have mick cronin ucla's basketball coach do i think money helps absolutely in baseball for instance i think you have to hit you got to get to about one hundred thirty five one hundred forty million you can be viable you may not win a world series but you can be viable you can win you know you can win eighty five ninety games and be a fun team to watch but what nil has really done people think it's stacking the deck for the rich and i'm like no it's not it's broadening the deck indiana hoosiers winning an addie illinois basketball looks as good as anybody iowa basketball everybody thinks it's going to stack the deck it's to me it's widened the deck i among power conference teams rick pitino addressed it this week you will see it again i think you will see it again but i do feel what's even better than that is the fact that the blue bloods no longer control basketball any longer there's no difference between kentucky north carolina than illinois or saint john's there's no difference anymore so there's no such a thing as a blue blood anymore there's no difference between north carolina state and somebody else everybody's the same everybody is the same in basketball and that's what's going to make it a great product so byu had huge money could not win a game in the tournament iowa very little money they're an elite eight it reminds me of the nfl in fact i was thinking about this yesterday seahawks rams niners the best division in football strong argument is the nfc west seahawks won the super bowl rams are favored to win the super bowl next year and the niners are always viable as long as you know brock purdy's upright they're going to be good here's what's funny about that there's different ways to do it just like nfl just like nil so you have the seahawks have a reclamation project at quarterback the rams have a number one picket quarterback and the niners have the last guy drafted seventh round last pick at quarterback there's there's so much variability in the nfl the philadelphia eagles won a super bowl we don't love their quarterback or their coach the kansas city chiefs won super bowls with an all time coach and a superstar quarterback the seahawks won a super bowl because their gm never misses on top picks and sam darnold who's good behind a power run game signed a team friendly contract and then that's that's what's that's what's really interesting kansas city does it with superstar hall of fame head coach and star quarterback like new england new england for the record never had the best roster was never about that never big free agent players never about that last year new england spent a fortune on free agency and they got to the super bowl so i mean denver's should have gotten to the super bowl they drafted a quarterback that sean payton liked but a lot of people thought was a second round quarterback so i guess my point is there's just a lot of different ways to win in college sports money matters but what are you doing with the money and it's the same thing in the nfl i mean literally for two years the number one most talked about play in the nfl was the tush push that was that was the unstoppable play then last year it was a little bit more stoppable and here comes seattle with their great gm and their great young defense based on amazing drafting so there's i mean the buccaneers did it with a forty three year old quarterback i think he was forty three at the time who really was more mental than physical that was a totally different way to do it with an old head coach that wasn't a hipster he was an old school guy so sports can be kind of you know homogenous at times like in basketball you got to shoot threes and in baseball you know the launch angle you know you want some power i don't know i i i i look at the nil and i i think it's broadened it out i think it's given all sorts of teams a chance to compete if you get to a baseline number of money colin

[Conal Brennan]

did you notice it's not just the blue bloods are kind of done there's no huge advantage like in college football but the smaller guys the illinois they have to and they're not that small they have to figure out where can i find an edge so they went internationally right and grabbed all these guys arizona has several international players well the next frontier i'm telling you is going to be d three and d two guys because not everybody grows at the same rate you know some guys in high school they pop freshman sophomore year in division two or three that's remember duncan robinson he was like a division three star goes to michigan boom he's a fifty million dollars guy in the nba so you i don't want to hear this cinderella is dead if you're on the low major or mid major you've got to find a new edge

[Colin Cowherd]

yeah and let's slow down on cinderella's dead cinderella was always pretty dead i always thought mark i said this a hundred times the mythology around march madness was always overstated it was what you would get every weekend you used to get two or three upsets you wouldn't get twelve you weren't getting twelve upset now now it did feel like the little guy belmont could lose to duke by eight not eighteen yes but those little guys were never winning the tour i mean butler is a historic outlier you can go back to john wooden and ucla the kentucky teams the duke teams the carolinas team college basketball has been dominated by the same six programs largely yeah my whole life i mean

[Conal Brennan]

remember though lehigh took down duke remember that cj mccollum's lehigh team iconic game i still remember it and it's not like lehigh's gonna win a seven game series with duke but it just proves that the small guy right has a chance to sit at the table with the big boy and take him down college football never offered the small guy a chance now it does and i kind of like that smu making a college football playoff indiana was a small guy for for decades they're now at the table and winning natties and i think that's why the sec crowd is really ticked off you've got politicians down there saying here's how we end nil it's like whoa guy what are you doing stick to politics i mean good

[Colin Cowherd]

luck ending nil you're going to by the way i think the sec if you really truly believe that and you're the sec commissioner okay you end nil for your conference and see how competitive you are because players are paid that's not going backwards we're not going to go backwards and not pay the players now now i do think there have been tweaks to the transfer portal which is you're allowed to transfer once anywhere you want the second time you have to sit out one year i don't know if i like that but i mean it's and it should be noted not that many guys are transferred in three and four times it's very very rare most guys transfer once so the

[Conal Brennan]

guy on in illinois soyakovic peja is his father you saw him last night he's on his third team in three years yeah right i don't personally have a problem with that some people are like wow that's not great who cares why do you care that stojakovic son is bouncing around college basketball looking for the right fit why would you care give them the freedom to go around and make money let him go to the market and he'll go to the highest bidder what's the big deal yeah

[Colin Cowherd]

i don't have a problem with guys getting paid i think we tend to kind of demonize new stuff and i think it's fine i think anytime you bring in something that is drastically different in any platform or any business you bring in something that is drastically different it's never solved day one it's always the wild wild west i mean i you know i can remember when taxis are replaced by uber and it was lawsuits it was wild now now uber you got lyft you got waymo the world changes and i think but but college sports made such dramatic changes overnight yeah and so there's been a lot of like bailing water trying to figure out what's right and they'll figure it out but i'll tell you the attendance the numbers the excitement the passion the ratings the revenue up up up up up up up it's a fun watch whether you want to maximize your performance or form healthier habits this year knowing what your body needs can help put you on the right path with quest you can buy your own lab tests online at questhealth dot com no doctor visit required for purchase quest has a huge selection of tests including the new elite health profile a panel made for men and women and tracks eighty five plus health markers affecting the heart liver kidneys hormones metabolism and immune system delivering a ton of insights in one snapshot for a limited time save on select lab tests at questhealth dot com with code herd ten that's herd ten at checkout terms apply imagine never buying gas again ev's are as easy to charge as your phone and perfect for everyday life drive daily with confidence everywhere you go most americans drive forty miles a day most ev's are equipped with two hundred to four hundred miles of range they've got fewer parts fewer repairs and fewer headaches with hundreds of new and used ev models available today there's an ev to fit every lifestyle and every budget i love my electric vehicle it's easy no more gas stations the way forward is electric learn more at electric for all dot org wasabi is purpose built to free your business from skyrocketing storage costs and fees from the big guys wasabi is the go to provider for professional and collegiate sports teams around the world check out wasabi's ai enabled intelligent media storage wasabi air to the industry's only cloud storage service with triple protection against cybercriminals wasabi driving innovation in data storage for up to eighty percent less than the other guys try for free at wasabi dot com comma wasabi hot cloud storage proud partner of the volume podcast network hey sweetie your mother showed me this carvana thing for selling the car i'm gonna give it a try wish me luck me again i put in the license plate it gave me an offer unbelievable okay i accepted the offer they're picking it up tuesday from the driveway i haven't even left my chair it's done the car is gone i'm holding a check anyway carvana give it a whirl love ya so

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