THE HERD - Hour 2 - The Chiefs resurgence, the struggles of the Bills and their chances fading, Greg Cosell

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 2: Chiefs' Resurgence, Bills' Struggles, and Greg Cosell (October 16, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this episode of The Herd, Colin Cowherd is joined by longtime NFL analyst Greg Cosell for a deep film-based analysis focused on the Kansas City Chiefs' resurgence, the Buffalo Bills' ongoing struggles, the development of several emerging quarterbacks, and the tactical evolutions across several NFL teams. The hour is a blend of insights into team schemes, coaching influence, quarterback maturity, and the significance of adapting to personnel strengths and weaknesses.

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Chiefs’ Offensive Surge: Scheme vs. Mahomes Magic

[03:00–06:30]

• Colin Cowherd observes the Chiefs' ability to transform overlooked or seemingly “gadget” receivers (like Hollywood Brown and JuJu Smith-Schuster) into impactful players, raising the question: Is it Patrick Mahomes’ brilliance, or does Andy Reid's and Matt Nagy’s scheme deserve more credit?

  • Quote — Colin Cowherd (05:07):
    “Only the Chiefs can take Hollywood Brown and Juju Smith-Schuster, and all of a sudden you’re like, ‘oh, these are dynamic players now.’ Is it Mahomes magic or is it scheme?”

• Greg Cosell leans heavily towards scheme in the most recent games, particularly against the Lions, citing a detailed game plan that exploited Detroit’s backup corners and defensive vulnerabilities.

  • Quote — Greg Cosell (05:16):
    “It comes, of course, from Andy Reid and Matt Nagy. A very good sense of what they were getting from the Lions defense... That game was much more to me watching the tape, scheme-based, than ‘wow, look at these great individual plays.’”
  • Credits Mahomes for a specific “special” play, but emphasizes it was an exception, not the norm in that game.

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Buffalo Bills: Offensive Staleness & Defensive Issues

[06:34–08:25]

• Discussion on the Bills as former rivals to the Chiefs, now declining. Colin argues Buffalo’s personnel and tactics—especially with Josh Allen—haven’t evolved to maximize their passing game.

  • Quote — Colin Cowherd (08:25):
    “I rarely watch Buffalo and go, wow, that’s creative. Offensively—I don’t.”

• Greg Cosell agrees, spotlighting the Bills’ lack of sufficient pass rush and lamenting the limited scope of their passing game. He believes Josh Allen needs deeper, more creative tactical support rather than “run the ball first, then lean on Allen if needed.”

  • Quote — Greg Cosell (07:09):
    “Your pass game needs to be a little more expansive. I know they don’t have great receivers, but... you attack zone, I think they need to do more things.”

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Young Quarterback Evaluations

Caleb Williams: Accuracy & Structure Concerns

[08:25–10:13, 22:36–26:13]

• Both Colin and Greg reiterate that Williams still struggles with consistent ball placement (“ball location”), even when the offensive structure and play design set him up well.

  • Quote — Greg Cosell (09:18):
    “Even some completions that he hasn’t been as sharp with his ball location... that’s an area he must continue to improve.”
  • The design from Ben Johnson, especially on the Swift touchdown, helps Williams, but his ball placement needs to ensure YAC (yards after catch).
  • Quote — Colin Cowherd (23:00):
    “With Brady... Edelman runs like that when he’s at full speed and the ball’s in his hands going forward, you can turn a 44 guy to a 43 guy. Guys get really fast when they don’t have to stop to catch it. So Caleb’s just gotta be more consistently accurate.”

• Jason McIntyre briefly argues this type of nitpicking mainly happens because of Monday night’s visibility, not necessarily because Williams was poor.

  • Quote — Jason McIntyre (24:25):
    “If he played like he did Monday at 1pm on Sunday, I don’t think there’s any of this discussion. While he missed a couple throws? It feels like nitpicking.”

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Justin Herbert & Chargers: Overcoming Personnel Gaps

[10:13–12:09]

• Despite lacking key offensive players, Herbert and Harbaugh have kept the Chargers in competitive form through quick passing schemes, minimizing O-line exposure, and heavy tight end sets.
  • Quote — Greg Cosell (11:14):
    “They played that game not to expose their offensive line... Now it’s coaching... you have to understand what you can do and what you can’t do and play accordingly.”

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Philadelphia Eagles: Coaching Identity and Run Game Crisis

[12:09–14:24]

• The Eagles’ offense is in flux following OC changes and O-line struggles. Cosell stresses Philly's historical trench strength is gone for now and questions abound regarding their offensive direction. Jalen Hurts’ “pure dropback limitations” further shape the offense’s restricted play calling.
  • Quote — Greg Cosell (12:55):
    “They were built on having arguably the best O line in the league, a really good defensive front... right now neither one of those units is playing at even an average level.”

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Jordan Love (Packers): Steady Maturation

[14:24–16:14]

• Colin regards Love as "the best quarterback nobody will admit is good," and Cosell sees steady growth—less recklessness, more efficiency, and versatility to win “multiple ways,” but the team's youth limits explosion.
  • Quote — Greg Cosell (15:17):
    “He’s become a little more efficient in how he plays... a quarterback that I believe is just maturing.”

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Aaron Rodgers (Steelers) and Offensive Fit

[16:14–18:06]

• Rodgers’ Steelers offense is large, physical, and uses “condensed” passing schemes. Cosell argues scheme and failures at receiver force an under-the-top, run-heavy, short-passing approach—they’re not pushing vertically at all, but “they’re winning games.”
  • Quote — Greg Cosell (17:14):
    “They’re a very condensed passing game... Right now, they’re very, very condensed, and they’re winning games.”

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Drake Maye (Patriots): Early Breakout Traits

[18:06–22:28]

• Drake Maye’s rise is attributed to his calm, calculated rhythm, outstanding third-down/blitz performance, and mature “pocket movement” (not just mobility). Cosell does a film breakdown on a shot play, illustrating offensive design for clean reads, and praises New England's coaching support structure.
  • Quote — Greg Cosell (18:49):
    “One trait that he clearly has—and a lot of young quarterbacks really struggle with—is what I call pocket movement, which is different than leaving the pocket. He moves around the pocket. He keeps his eyes downfield...”
  • Maye’s improvement each week is noted, especially his comfort and poise under center.

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Additional Key NFL Storylines

Giants’ New Hope with Dart & Skatterboo

[33:05–35:40]

• Jason McIntyre discusses the “vibes” around Giants’ new tandem (Jackson Dart, Cam Skatterboo), including playful nicknames and unexpected on-field success given draft expectations.
  • Quote — Colin Cowherd (34:51):
    “It’s very rare in the NFL when you draft two guys... and they both deliver. Both are better. Nobody thought Skatterboo would be this.”
• Colin gives the Giants an edge over the Jets for future prospects thanks to a solid QB, defense, and offensive coach.

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Niners’ Depth Test, Dolphins-Browns Weather Game

[36:00–41:00]

• 49ers: Brock Purdy’s return is debated, but skill player depth (Iuk, Pearsall) draws more concern, especially with key injuries on defense (Warner, Bosa).

• Dolphins at Browns: Weather could dictate a ground-heavy slugfest; Miami’s offense and Tua may struggle against an elite Cleveland D-line.

  • Quote — Jason McIntyre (39:20):
    “The run defense of the Browns is exceptional. Top five unit in the league. Listen 17-6 Browns, something like that...”

• Quarterback Mobility: Colin closes with a note about the necessity of quarterback athleticism in the current NFL, citing young QBs’ success running for first downs as a key to surviving the adjustment window.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Colin on Chiefs’ continual retooling:
  “I think Kansas City does a better job to patch the holes than Buffalo does.” [46:45]
• Cosell on Eagles’ limited answers:
  “If they can't run it, are they limited in what the answers are? ... I think they're kind of telling you that they're uncertain where to go right now.” [13:48]
• Cosell’s Maye film breakdown:
  “You're going to see a very common route concept on shot plays. It's going to be a corner post and a crossing route... it's a defined, clean look, and that's what you're trying to do with young quarterbacks.” [20:10]

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• Chiefs' offense: scheme vs. Mahomes — [03:00–06:34]
• Bills' struggles/lack of creativity — [06:34–08:25], [46:45–47:18]
• Caleb Williams’ accuracy/film breakdown — [08:25–10:13], [22:36–26:13]
• Chargers injury management/coaching — [10:13–12:09]
• Eagles’ identity/coaching flux — [12:09–14:24]
• Jordan Love maturing — [14:24–16:14]
• Aaron Rodgers' offense/film — [16:14–18:06]
• Drake Maye breakdown — [18:06–22:28]
• Giants’ surge with rookies — [33:05–35:40]
• Niners/Falcons, Dolphins/Browns matchups — [36:00–41:00]
• NFL team-building, Chiefs vs. Bills — [46:45–47:18]

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Episode Tone & Style

Colin maintains his signature opinionated, analytical, and conversational approach, mixing concrete film takeaways from Cosell with big-picture questions about NFL coaching and roster trends. Cosell's delivery is measured, technically detailed, and focused firmly on the “tape.” McIntyre injects lighter banter and audience-reflecting skepticism throughout.

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Summary Takeaway

This hour provides an advanced primer on how the NFL’s best teams adapt through coaching, scheme, and maximized personnel usage (Chiefs, Eagles, Chargers); how teams like Buffalo have stagnated creatively; and how young quarterbacks—thanks to design and coaching—are shaping the next generation. For those interested in football beyond the scoreboard, Greg Cosell and Colin Cowherd deliver hands-on, actionable insight into how and why NFL teams are what they are in 2025.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Here we go. It's Thursday. Greg Cosell's around the corner. 46 years at NFL Films. We are live at Chicago. It's the Herd. Mariners still lead the Jays 21 in the series. Dodgers and the brewers resuming play. You know, so tonight, old guys. Aaron Rodgers, quarterback for the Steelers, faces old guy Joe Flacco for Cincinnati at Paycor Stadium in Cincinnati. Years ago, I think it was about 2008, Jerry Cooney met George Foreman in Vegas and they called it two geezers at Caesars. So I'm gonna call Aaron and Flacco tonight, two guys who were old and sore at Paycorp. I'm gonna take Aaron and the Steelers 27, 23. I think it's a, I think it's a fairly competitive game. Here's Aaron Rodgers talking about facing another 40 year old quarterback. I think it's great, great for all the old guys. You know, I know that when I watch other sports maybe it's because I'm the older guy, but I, I tend to, to pull for the older guys to, to win, to win championships. Aaron can go 5 and 1 tonight with a win. Greg Cosell, 15 minutes. We all get smarter. So many questions to ask. So I think in the last three weeks I think Mahomes has been so good and I, I was saying it this week, only the Chiefs can take Hollywood Brown and juju, Smith Schuster and all of a sudden you're like, oh, these are dynamic players now. Worthy's good. I've always felt he's a bit more gadget guy than he is volume guy. But when you look at the Chiefs, is it Mahomes magic or is it scheme? Because Hollywood Brown could go on 30 teams and not make an impact and yet it's a couple of touchdowns on the Chiefs. Is it scheme or Mahomes?

[Greg Cosell]

Well, Colin, it's funny, I thought last week in particular was very scheme based. I thought they had a really good sense. And it comes of course from Andy Reid and Matt Nagy. A very good sense of what they were getting from the Lions defense. Now don't forget the Lions were playing with backup corners on the outside. They were playing with a number of other backups as well. And I thought they had a really good feel for what they were going to get in certain situations. And I thought it was really scheme based. It wasn't a Mahomes game in the wow, he did some special things. I thought he executed at a really high level, a really well designed offense. I thought the best individual play he made, Colin, was on the first possession when he hit Smith Schuster on the crosser. That was not the primary receiver, that was the backside crosser. And that was just one of those special Mahomes plays because Kirby Joseph, who's very good as an interceptor, reads quarterbacks well. He was waiting right there and I think he thought he was going to make a play on the ball. But Mahomes with the arm strength and just his understanding of spatial awareness, which is as good as anyone we've seen, he just made a big time throw. But that game was much more to me watching the tape scheme based than wow, look at these great individual plays.

[Colin Cowherd]

So let's talk about the team that was seen as the nemesis, the arch nemesis, the primary rival of the Chiefs, Buffalo. So my take is what you want to do in the NFL is draft a quarterback, get the right quarterback and then make him comfortable weapons and protection. Drake, London, sure. John Robinson, Michael Penix for. We can just say Buffalo's defense isn't very good. But I thought Penix and London and Robinson, I, I thought that was a pretty potent, especially indoors, that was a pretty potent offense, was it not?

[Greg Cosell]

It is. And the way they use Bijan Robinson is really good. I mean Bijan Robinson in my view is the best BR running back in the league. But he's more than just a running back. They line him up all over. This is a Pistol offense by the way. They run Pistol a very, very high percentage. And the number one run that they have, they're an outside zone run team which you run out of pistol. 71 of Bijan's carries this year of his 83 carries have come out of Pistol. And it's outside zone for the most part, but they really use him in multiple ways. The Bills don't really have a strong pass rush. They've tried to upgrade it, but it's still not good enough with a four man D line. And offensively, Colin, to me, when you have Josh Allen, I think that your pass game needs to be a little more expansive. I know they don't have great receivers, but you know what, to me, to construct a pass game tactically and conceptually and the way you attack zone, I think they need to do more things. You know, Josh Allen's your quarterback, he can make throws. I almost feel like they're a Running football team and if the game demands, then it's time for Josh. But you, I don't think you can play like that every week. I think you need more consistency with what you do conceptually in your pass game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, no, I said it this week is that I feel like Sean Payton squeezes every ounce out of Bo Nix. Ben Johnson has clearly gotten more out of Caleb than the previous coach. Andy Reid does it with gadget players and backups. I rarely watch Buffalo and go, wow, that's creative. Offensively I don't. I think they have some players I like, but I don't see that. Speaking of Caleb, I didn't think he was great on Monday night. I think there are two things I worried about.

[Greg Cosell]

I agree with you.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I watched him out of usc. The two criticisms that were valid, consistent accuracy and playing within structure. I think he's gotten better within structure. I think his accuracy is still a major problem. How would you grade him on Monday night's win?

[Greg Cosell]

I would say that both of the things you said are very valid. I think even some completions that he hasn't been as sharp with his ball location as he needs to be, that's an area he must continue to improve. He throws a beautiful ball, he's an easy thrower. I think Ben Johnson has really designed some really good things for him. That touchdown to Swift on third down was just a beautifully conceived and well designed play that presented just an easy routine throw and then of course Swift with the run after catch. But I think the ball location, which is the better term now than just accuracy, the ball location has to get more and more consistent because there's a lot of in breaking throws in the Ben Johnson offense and you want to hit receivers on in breaking throws where they have run after catch and he needs to get better at that because that's foundationally much of what that offense is in the pass game.

[Colin Cowherd]

So you and I have both always loved Justin Herbert and that Chargers Colts game is going to be a real game. Herbert made a play to lad McConkey switching hands with the ball. Is that what's fascinating about the Chargers? Now we know the coach is good, we know Herbert's great, but they didn't have Quentin Johnson, they didn't have their top two backs, they didn't have their tackles. So when you look at film on the Chargers and sometimes fans and the media, we can be unfair with this. There's just things Greg, they can't do now. So when I watch them, I'm like, you know, lad McConkey's great. No Quentin Johnson, no tackles, third running back for the Chargers to win that game, traveling 3,000 miles, I was actually impressed. I thought it would be close now that Alt Hampton, Khalil. Matt's coming back. When you watch the Chargers on film, is there anything more Herbert and Harbaugh can do or this is just what they are now?

[Greg Cosell]

Well, I think they played that game based on tape study, not to expose the limitations of the offensive line because there were a lot of quick rhythm, three step drop timing, quick five step drop, drop timing throws. He rarely dropped back deep. He did not. He hardly ever threw the ball at the intermediate and deeper levels. Everything was quick game, Colin. And I think your point's right. Right now they're playing with backup tackles. Bobby Hart played right tackle. They signed him last week. He was there for five days and he's starting at right tackle. So they played this game not to expose their offensive line. And they played 16 snaps with three tight ends and actually ran the ball very effectively out of that. And this touchdown to Vidal came out of three tight ends in the low red zone. So right now, now it's coaching. Now you have to understand what you can do and what you can't do and play accordingly.

[Colin Cowherd]

So, Philadelphia, speaking of coaching, we've. We've said this before. Sirianni is more motivator than scheme guru. And when they had good coordinator Steichen and Steichen took over the play calling, they were elite. He leaves. They substitute, find a new oc. It does not look good. Tailspin. Then they get Kellen Moore. It's better now. They've made another replacement for a young man that was on the staff, had never called plays. I think they have a little bit of a coaching crisis. People could point to injuries, but it's the NFL. Nobody's totally healthy. Don't they have to just. If I just said to you they'd run the ball 51 times this week with a variety of people, isn't it just as simple as. Guys, here's what we are. We're a run team. Is it any more complicated than that?

[Greg Cosell]

Well, not significantly so, but I think when you watch their tape the last couple of years, okay, don't forget they had an historic season a year ago with the run game. But I think when you watch the tape and people around the league would echo this, they were built on having arguably the best O line in the league, a really good defensive front. Don't forget, in 2022, you can talk Steichen, all you Want they led the NFL in quarterback sacks and had about 30 of them on third down. So they were a team built in the trenches. It started with the O line and the D line and right now neither one of those units is playing at even an average level. So the question you then ask is, where do they go from here? You know, can they get the running game back? The O line has been poor this year, Colin. Not even average, but poor. So the question is, what's next? Do you have to try to create, you know, to use your term, gimmick type plays on offense? What can you do on offense? You also on offense always have to play to what your quarterback is. And I think they've told you, I don't think we have to guess this. I think they've told you by how they play that they believe that Jalen Hurts has pure drop back limitations, which, by the way, the tape does show. So the question is, if they can't run it, are they limited in what the answers are? You know, I don't know if we know the answer 100%, but I think they're kind of telling you that they're uncertain where to go right now.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, so I got. Before we get to our big play, I want to talk about Green Bay. So, sure. I think Jordan Love is the best quarterback in the league that nobody will admit is a good quarterback. He's got the size, the arm to move it. Generally. We all kind of know that's a good quarterback. That's an average guy. I think Jordan's a really good quarterback, but they're not scoring a ton. They're in a lot of close games. Now my interpretation is this is the youngest offense in the league. It's Almost collegiate. It's 23 or 24 and 25. Seattle A little bit of this. Seattle's really young. They're finding themselves and sometimes this is early for Jordan. It still hasn't played that many games. What do you see now? People say, well, they lost here, they're close here. I think Jordan Love is an exceptional quarterback. Not Allen, but he's exceptional. What does the tape say?

[Greg Cosell]

You know, it's his only third year as a starter, which is probably hard for people to believe. It's not as if he's a 10 year pro. You know, he's a third year starter. I think one thing that I've really noticed on tape and when I watched him this week, I even said to one of my guys, you know, in the matchup room, I said, you know, I think he's a little bit less reckless now and he's become a little more efficient in how he plays. Every once in a while he'll throw one and you go, maybe shouldn't have done that. But I think the way he's playing is a little more refined, a little less reckless, a little more efficient. So there's not as many big plays which maybe is the reason they're not necessarily scoring as many points. They've gotten the run game going the last couple of weeks, but I think they're sort of settling into being a team that can be, that can win multiple ways. They can win with a run game, they can win with efficient passing, they can win with big play passing and I think it will continue to come together. But the tape really shows a quarterback that I believe is just maturing.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. So tonight Aaron Rodgers takes on Pittsburgh. Now I have defended Aaron. Pittsburgh's a very unique offense. Between Washington and Hayward and Friarmouth and DK Metcalf. It looks like an NBA front court. It's a gig. There's no, there's no small gadgety guys. It is a big strong long receiving tight end group. And I think Aaron knows that there's matchup opportunities. I don't think yet it's a down the field offense and I think Aaron knows it. Doesn't look like it to me. So I think Aaron smartly is going, hey, listen, we're have to run the ball 15 yards and in play good defense get turnovers, especially when we're playing second tier quarterbacks. The PFF grades and other grades are like this is bad. And my take is, well, personnel dictate scheme. So you tell me, is Aaron letting go of it early because of age and concern for health or does the tape show you this is what they're going to be offensively?

[Greg Cosell]

Well, I can't get into Aaron's head. I'm not sure anybody wants to do that. But one thing that the tape shows is they're a very condensed passing game they played last week with a lot of 6o line personnel. The Darnell Washington kid is just at tight end, is just a huge guy and a terrific blocker. So they're really playing a specific way which leads you to believe that they either feel that that's the best way for Aaron to play or they don't have enough on the outside where they feel like they can truly push it down the field. But right now they're very, very condensed and they're winning games. That's the thing. So you know, you're not going to change until it's demanded that you change. But he does not push the ball down the field at all, Colin. I mean, that's the reality. That's what the tape shows. It's really a tight offense. It's very condensed.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. And they have. They really do. They're the biggest offense in the league. I mean, Metcalf is the. And I mean, they're just so big and physical. And I think there's different ways to win in this league, and that's how they're going to have to win. Okay, so the next couple of minutes, I've been so impressed with Drake May and what's fascinating with young quarterbacks, you know, Bo Nix last year, in September as a rookie, you're like, oh, boy. And then in October, you're like, okay, this works. Drake May has popped in the last three to four weeks. I watch him. He's accurate, he's confident. He's always had size and arm strength and movement. What on film are you looking at with a Patriots kid and going, wow, that sticks. That lands.

[Greg Cosell]

When I watch him, I feel like there's such a calculated way in which he plays. He's a very calm player. He's an easy thrower. He's been phenomenal in two areas that you really look at for young quarterbacks. That's third down and versus blitz. But one trait that he clearly has and a lot of young quarterbacks really struggle with. This is what I call pocket movement, which is different than leaving the pocket. Colin, he moves around the pocket. He keeps his eyes downfield. He does not drop his eyes and look at the rush. He keeps his eyes downfield. He moves within the pocket and then makes really good throws. And you don't see a lot of young quarterbacks with that given trait because that's a very refined quarterback trait. But he just looks very comfortable. And you know, you talk about coaches. I know you talked about the Jets. I heard you speak about that. What do you think they should do? But you bring in a coach like Josh McDaniels, who's been doing it a long time with a proven track record, knows how to work with quarterbacks. That's the way to me, you have to do it with a young quarterback. And then he can design things too, that present clean looks and clean throws, and we can take a look at the big play from this week. We're actually seeing it right now, but we can see it again and take a look at it. This was a great example of that. I mean, this was a shot play. And a shot play is where teams want to push it down the field. When they get between the 40s, they want to take a shot down the field and how do they go about doing it? And this was just a great example of that. They're going to put Drake May under center. That's what you normally see with shot plays because there's going to be a play action element to it. And then they're going to take Hunter Henry, the tight end, they're going to motion him across the formation and what you're going to end up with is it goes from a two by two set to a three by one set. So there's ultimately going to be three receivers to the wide side of the field. Now this will eventually impact the safeties and we're going to see that as we get further into the play. But let's now take a look at what this route concept is. Okay? You're going to see a very common route concept on shot plays. It's going to be a corner post and a crossing route. It's essentially a two man route concept because you're going to max protect, you're going to end up protecting with seven. And that's what you do on shot plays is you want to make sure the quarterback off the run action is secure in the pocket. So here you're going to see the five offensive linemen. They're part of the protection, obviously, but then you've got two more. You've got Hunter Henry who moved across the formation, and you've got the third wide receiver, Mack Hollins. So they secure him in the pocket. It's seven man protection. So now let's just revisit the route concept. There's the crosser by Kayshawn Booty and here's the corner post by Douglas. Now he does such a great job here because you know what happens here. He gets that safety because now the safety's rotated, that single high safety. As soon as he turns to the sideline, which he will, based on the corner element of the corner post, he's done because now he cannot play the post. So now I'm not going to say this is an easy throw, Colin, because It's, you know, 40, 50 yards down the field, but it's a defined, clean look and that's what you're trying to do with young quarterbacks. And as I said, this was a shot play. So this is what they wanted to get the ball down the field. That was the number one read here, is to throw this ball. But I think they're doing a really good job with him. There's a lot of clean looks, clean throws, and he's just played very calculated, very comfortable, and really has improved, I think, each and every week.

[Colin Cowherd]

Greg Cosell, NFL Films, 46 years. As always, we get smarter. Thanks, Greg.

[Greg Cosell]

Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it.

[Colin Cowherd]

For the record, I defended a broadcaster for another network that used to work at this network. And you notice Greg Cosell said the same thing that broadcaster did. And I've been saying this week is Caleb wasn't great. He left about six completions potentially, you know, on the dirt, and if not, maybe four and then three or four other balls. I mean, one of the great things about Brady and you see that Herbert's really good at this. In fact, lad McConkey was talking about it this week, is that when Herbert lets go of the ball, you catch the ball as a receiver moving in that direction. You didn't. You don't have to wait for Herbert's ball and you don't have to reach back for it. Accuracy is really important. Duh. But that's like with Brady, guys. I mean, Edelman's not a 43 guy, but Edelman runs like that when he's at full speed and the ball's in his hands going forward, you can turn a 44 guy to a 43 guy. Guys get really fast when they don't have to stop to catch it. So Caleb's just gotta be more consistently accurate. And I said when that film came out in camp where he was getting very frustrated with accuracy, he's aware of it. He knows it. You know, Jaden Daniels, I thought last year had that Bo Nix had it on short throws. Bo is very accurate. If he gets the ball out to Mims or Franklin or Harvey, right in the sweet spot where I'm going, they don't throw hospital balls. There's a lot of things. There's a lot of tricks. Don't throw balls that get guys hurt. Don't throw balls where they have to go back and they set themselves up. That's where Caleb's got to grow. I do think he's playing and being coachable in structure. That part I think he's shown clear strides over three weeks. He may. He may just never be a super accurate quarterback.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, Colin, how much of this is. It was an island game on Monday, right? I know there were two games going on, but really the second half, everybody was just watching Caleb because if he played like he did Monday at 1pm on Sunday, I don't Think there's any of this discussion while he missed a couple throws? It feels like nitpicking. I'm not defending Ben Johnson pushing back. It just. I thought Caleb was fine. He's a second year quarterback in a brand new system. He ain't gonna ever be Justin Herbert, I'll tell you that right now. Listen, and he was fine.

[Colin Cowherd]

I said he was fine. Yeah, but let, let's not, let's not go beyond that. He was fine and they won. Washington was driving for the win in the COVID and fumbled. So it's like it was fine. Yeah, you had a 3 turnover advantage. You, you know that. Washington's not a great team so far, I'm sure. I'm still not sure. Jaden Daniels is 100%. I think he's close to it, but I don't think he's quite there.

[Jason McIntyre]

But yeah, it's interesting because they got the Saints this week at the Bears. Okay, lines coming down. There's some money coming in on the Saints. Not a lot, but it's early. I'm curious how Caleb handles a little success. Colin.

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[Jason McIntyre]

His coach is defending him in the media. He beat Jaden Daniels head to head.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, he's. He's a very aspirational kid. He wants to be great. He's a worker. I don't worry about any of that. And you can see he's coachable because he is playing in structure. That, that part I'm seeing. But the accuracy thing, we gotta be honest. Like, Bo Nix may never be a great deep ball thrower and Caleb may be around 62 and a half percent. 63 with his horsepower. You're fine.

[Jason McIntyre]

But don't say never. Say never because we're seeing Baker turning around, Darnold turning around to the point Daniel Jones. I mean, maybe it's just six games or whatever, but Daniel Jones is doing things we never saw him do with the Giants. Remember, he was vanilla Vic. He was just running because he couldn't throw.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, no, I think I, I thought it was an encouraging step. And I'll say this, the thing about the Bears is the last two games they've won, they would have lost those last year. They're winning. This league is W's. Win the game. You know, this is not baseball where you. Well, you know what? Tomorrow we're going to use the bullpen. Like win the game. Everything wins. Solves a lot in a locker room. Dave Wanstead always says that. You lose two straight games, you can lose games. You lose three straight, you start losing the locker room. And so the Bears last year lost the room. They weren't just losing games. So just winning games on a block kick or a fumble. You know what? Practice is better. The drive to work's better. There's less grumbling. People are getting not enough touches. But I still think I need more Colston Loveland in the offense. I think he's kind of lost a little bit. I like more. I want more. Luther Burden, the kid from Missouri. I think he's good. He only had, I think, four catches.

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Listen, the bottom line is crime is more sophisticated than ever. This is a dollar a day right now. 50% you can save that on SimpliSafe home [e-mail] herd simply safe.com herd there's no safe like simply safe. I just saw where the Sportico came out with their latest valuations of the most valuable NBA franchises. And the warriors at eleven and a half billion dollars are the most valuable NBA franchise. Lakers follow, Knicks are in the nine billion dollar range. So Clippers I think were fourth. It shows you the power of Los Angeles. Years ago when The Rams left St. Louis to go to Los Angeles, there was a lot of complaining. How can you pull it out of St. Louis? How can you not pull it out of St. Louis? LA didn't have an NFL franchise. I think the Spanos moving up was much tougher. From San Diego, which you had a die hard fan base up the i5. That was a tougher move, but they had issues with local politicians. St. Louis is kind of a dying American city, L.A. needed like a. I mean, it is St. Louis, Hartford. There are cities in America that are not ascending and growing and they're not terribly economically vibrant. And there are cities that, like New York and Chicago and Philly and Boston and Atlanta and Dallas and LA that are in San Francisco. So I think the reality was when you moved Los Angeles, Stan Kroenke on the team, and it's like, how do you not do this? I mean, for years and years, like Las Vegas, you're sitting there thinking, no state tax. It's a. It'll be a great winter destination. You know, you put them in a division, you've got Denver and you've got Kansas City. Where are you going to go? If you have a December game, you're going to go to Las Vegas or a November game. So it's just, it's interesting. Like, the warriors when I was a kid were great. Then they went forever of being mediocre. They're back as a, you know, a hot franchise. Number one valuation right now in the NBA. J. Mac with news. Yeah, J. Mac with the news.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Turn on the news.

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[Jason McIntyre]

All right, Colin, let's start with the other New York football team. Not my Jets. Let's go to the Giants, Jackson, Darton Cam, Scatter Boo. They got the city taken by storm. The vibes are great. I got some nicknames for these two shortly. But first, let's go to the young QB talking about the new culture in New York for the Giants.

[Greg Cosell]

You know, the vibe is just, you.

[Colin Cowherd]

Know, we're trying to set a standard in the locker room. You know, we're trying to play tough. We're trying to, you know, win at all costs. Yeah, Denver. Denver's interesting because the Giants O line is okay. They're coming off a big win and feeling themselves. And Denver played poorly and won. Struggled with a New York team. They shouldn't. My, My. My head is telling me that Denver should win. And Jackson, Dart and Scatter Boo.

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[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, I, I think I like where your head is at. So a couple nicknames are floating around about these two guys, right? There are two young white guys in the Giants. Dart is handsome, right? He's got that look with the, with the headband going on. So I've seen exciting whites to describe Dart and Skidiboo. And then someone else has suggested Arm and Hammer, you know, like the baking soda.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, that's good.

[Jason McIntyre]

Listen, people love these guys. We had one of the hair ladies here at Fox. Not ladies. She's younger, but she was at the Giants Eagles game and she's like, jason, what do you think of Cam Scatterboo? And she just said his energy just being like, around him, he is just like fun and happy and everybody likes that guy. So there's something going on here, but I think it ends this weekend.

[Colin Cowherd]

Kyle.

[Jason McIntyre]

I think the Broncos put it on him. I'll be surprised if Jackson Dart survives this game, if he wants to run like he has been, because those Broncos linebackers are some of the best in the league.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. And it's. Armin Hammer is funny. Scatter Boo is. He went like in the fourth round. And it's interesting because I watched a lot of Arizona State. I watched them in college. I didn't think Jackson Dart was a first round quarterback. I thought he was a second round quarterback. Scatterboo, I had no idea. So it's very rare in the NFL when you draft two guys and there's a lot of questions and they both deliver. Both are better. Nobody thought Scatterboo would be this. Yeah, I mean, I mean, listen, everybody in the league passed on him three times, and many teams, you know, they passed on him four times. So everybody's now an expert. In hindsight, Scatter Boo is better than everybody thought. I went back after that game last week and I went back and looked at his draft previews and I mean, people. There was a lot people liked about him, but he, he is a line. He's an interior linebacker that plays running back and that's how he plays.

[Jason McIntyre]

Come on. He's awesome. Let me ask you this. This is a tough question at right now, as of this juncture, middle of October, 2025, would you rather be the Giants or the Jets? Now take your time. Don't just say, oh, they're not the jets, obviously, just Jackson Dart at your quarterback. Jets have nothing. Who would you rather be?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I've said before, the Giants have an elite defensive front. The jets are hit and miss. The Giants have their left tackle. The Giants went healthy, have a star receiver, apparently a franchise quarterback and an offensive coach. Okay, well, jets have a coach who appears to be a coordinator.

[Jason McIntyre]

I'm gonna go with wrong answer. Jackson Dart, franchise quarterback after what, four games? Simmer down now, Colin, come on. Listen, he may flame out quickly. The jets are gonna get the number one pick. You want an elite superstar. We don't know that Dart's elite. You think he's got the potential to be elite?

[Colin Cowherd]

We, we don't know if Dante Moore is a great quarterback.

[Jason McIntyre]

Hey, mock draft came out today. Ty Simpson with the going number one to the Jets. Alabama kid who I've been hyping on the show. I'm just saying I, I know jets fans are down, guys. It's the, it's the darkness before the light comes. Okay? It's dark right now. It looks bleak. Cowards making fun of us every day. We're in a good spot. All right, let's move on to the Niners. Colin. Finally a topic that J. Mac likes. Brock Purdy. Yes, he's back. Colin, one of the best quarterbacks in the league returns to practice, but he's limited. I am waiting for Ricky Pearsall, AKA Rasheed Rice to return to the lineup. We don't know, we don't know about Juwan Jennings. Obviously Warner's down for the season and Bosa as well. Niners, Falcons is interesting. Does it matter to you if It's Purdy or McEnroe Jones?

[Colin Cowherd]

It doesn't necessarily. I'm more interested in Pearsall and Iuk. It's, you know, I feel like Mac Jones and Purdy can both run the offense. I think Mack throws a better ball. I think Purdy is a better, you know, he moves a little bit better. I think I like San Francisco in this game. If they're reasonably healthy, they're, they're not going to be a great defense. Salah I love, but they're not going to be, they just, they just don't have the personnel right now. Warner's out, Bose is out. Tafunga's gone. Hunga's gone, Greenlaw's gone. Those are four really, really high end players.

[Jason McIntyre]

So the problem is the Falcons defensive pressure has been amazing this year. It's not necessarily the drafted guys. They just have depth. They keep coming in waves. They seem to rattle Josh Allen on Monday Night Football. And if Purdy's not 100% with that toe, they could be in some trouble this week. I, I, I'm reluctant to take the Falcons on the road, but that, that's an interesting game. Sunday Night Football. Not like a marquee game but could be good. Final story. Colin, let's go to the Dolphins Browns game. Now how about this one? We have a weather report that is saying winds could be 50 to 60 miles an hour. Now listen, it's only Thursday. The game is still Sunday. The National Weather Service says this is certainly a system worth keeping an eye on. 94% chance of rain. Colin, listen, I tried to tell people this week Browns and the under the young fellow Judkins from Ohio State probably goes off against this Miami defense and we know Tua and those South Florida boys well.

[Colin Cowherd]

Also they're not a bad week for Miami. Tua yesterday apologized for what he said after the game. So it's a weird week for Miami. This is not built for them. Although I, I would you, you could certainly make a case that it'll force Miami to run the ball and they have their moments.

[Jason McIntyre]

Not against this Browns defensive. No way. The run defense of the Browns is exceptional. Top five unit in the league. I listen 17, six Browns, something like that. Dylan Gabriel celebrating. Are you feeling that? Is this in the hurt hierarchy? Not the herd hierarchy, the blazing five tomorrow.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is one of the seven games I make seven picks, I take five. This is one of the seven I would be on the home team here. But I don't, I may have to, I don't like, I don't ever like taking bad quarterback play and saying, well the defense. Bad quarterbacks fumble. Bad quarterbacks limit the playbook. Bad quarterbacks don't inspire teammates. I always, you know, if I miss on picks, it's often taking a talented quarterback getting points. That, that, I mean that, that to me is, is more fun to watch than bad. I have never bet Spencer Rattler with the Saints. He doesn't win enough games. He's very average. I just don't, I don't enjoy putting money and betting on teams, hoping they don't make mistakes because I know they have a low ceiling.

[Jason McIntyre]

So, so how about this, have you seen a lot more from Jackson Dart than say Dylan Gabriel through a few handful of games?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, one's a first round pick and one's a.

[Jason McIntyre]

No, no, I'm just talking about what you've seen on the field. Both have good offensive minds. Dabol and Stefanski.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, it's not close. Jackson's a better athlete. He moves better. Yeah, I think Jackson's got a better arm and moves better. I think Dylan Gabriel in a system can complete passes, but I think Jackson Dart's the better athlete. I don't think it's close. J Mac with the news.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by.

[Colin Cowherd]

The Herd lie that athletic ability for a quarterback for the first two years is essential. I mean a lot of the star quarterbacks in this league, the Allens, the Herberts, the Lamar, a lot of these guys, Josh Allen as they're learning, I mean Bo Nicks last year, run for first downs. Caleb Williams, move the chains. Jaden Daniels, move the chains. There's a really high percentage of quarterbacks that hit in this league. CJ Stroud had a very good first year question since it's, it's running for first downs in your first two years, picking up moving chains While you're learning NFL defenses, it would be hard to draft a Jared Goff today. It would be hard to draft that. That's really an outlier. It's you want guys that can move. Cade Clubnik from Clemson, he can move. Dante Moore at Oregon, he can move. So these defenses, the coaching in the NFL is so much more sophisticated. You've got older players, more hours to coach. You're just getting older, smarter, more experienced players that have more time. They don't take classes. You know, they're they don't have a midterm or a final. So while you're figuring out how to operate behind an NFL offensive line, it's nice to pick up first downs with your legs.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Dodgers Glass now going tonight for the Dodgers. They're back home against Milwaukee and the brewers have felt totally outclassed. Ohtani can't hit it doesn't matter. The bullpens wobbly. Doesn't matter. They've gotten insane starting pitching from Yoshi and Snell. So Glass now they got him from, I think Tampa. He was one of these guys that struggles to stay healthy but has great stuff, so he's going in Game three. Ohtani, I believe, is going in on the mound. So the Dodgers look to wrap up that series back in Los Angeles. I think Milwaukee wins a game they're too good not to. And the Mariners last night got clobbered by the Blue Jays. But a couple more games in Seattle, I thought it was interesting. Greg Cosel One of my criticisms has been through the years is, you know, once you pay your quarterback Mahomes or Josh Allen, there's going to be holes in the roster. I just think Kansas City does a better job to patch the holes than Buffalo does. And Greg Cosell earlier on. Once again, Josh Allen feeling like he's got to carry Buffalo's offense.

[Greg Cosell]

I think that your pass game needs to be a little more expansive. I know they don't have great receivers, but you know what? To me, to construct a pass game tactically and conceptually and the way you attack zone, I think they need to do more things. You know, Josh Allen's your quarterback. He can make throws. I almost feel like they're a running football team and if the game demands, then it's time for Josh. But you, I don't think you can play like that every week. I think you need more consistency with what you do conceptually in your past game.

[Producer Jay]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

And this is something we've talked about that you just don't look at Buffalo very often and think, wow, creative juggernaut. And you do see that with Denver and McVeigh and Shanahan and Kansas City. So I think Kansas City puts Mahomes in a better position to succeed despite the fact that they, you know, they miss on draft picks too. Everybody does at wide receiver. You know, they're a little long in the tooth with Travis Kelsey on offense, but they just. I think you can sum up Kansas City with juju, Smith, Schuster. He gets drafted, he's kind of underwhelming. He goes to Kansas City, he's very valuable in a Super bowl winning run. And then he leaves. He goes to New England and it doesn't work and goes back to Kansas City and it works again. And some of its Mahomes and some of it's just Andy Reid. They do a really good job of taking kind of solid players and making them more productive. And so much of this league is not only drafting and developing, it's being able to go find veteran players that fit into your system. New England did a very good job of that during Belichick's prime. Andy Reid, Veach, that's what they do. They just find guy. I mean, look what the Colts are doing this year with Daniel Jones. I mean, did anybody really think he would be doing this? That is a really smart offensive coach, Shane Steichen, taking him and squeezing as many yards as he can out of him. So, you know, great, even great players need support. I mean, it remember years ago, the late Kobe Bryant, when he was going to demand, he wanted to be traded to Chicago. He said, you got to get me another guy. They got in Pau Gasol and he starts winning titles again. You don't want obstacles, you don't want hurdles. And I kind of feel like every couple of years I feel like here we go again. Josh Allen's got to put the cape on and I think it's just tough. I don't, you know, Kansas City to me is an exceptional team. The eye test, the coaching. I think Tampa is a relentless team. That's very good. Not great, but I think Kansas City is separated. I always thought, you know, Lamar and Josh Allen could go toe to toe with Kansas City. I do not feel that now. Buffalo can't. New England's not ready. You know, the Denver and the Chargers, Khalil Mack, Joe Alt, Hampton, somebody at the trade deadline like Alvin Camara. Maybe the Chargers are the other team that can Julian Edelman, three time super bowl champ. He's got to love Drake May and more. Hour 3 Next Weighted Vests are everywhere right now, and it's not just a fad. The science is clear. Carrying extra weight boosts calorie burn, ramps up natural human growth hormone and testosterone in the body and builds real world strength. Not all vests, though, are built the same, and low quality gear is getting guys hurt. That's why I'm all for Wolf Tacticals True Fit Weighted vest. Go to wolftactical USA.com Take your training and physique to the next level. The code is HERD15 for 15% off your order. That's H E R D15 at checkout only at wolftacticalusa.com the next time you.

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