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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - The Cowboys schedule looks tough, the importance of the QB/Coach, Carson Palmer
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Colin Cowherd
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Dan Beyer
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News Segment Host
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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Dan Beyer
Here we go. It's hour two. We are live in Chicago. It's the Herd. John I was thinking about this today. We were talking as a staff and I said we know that Belichick when he lost Brady regressed badly and we know Andy Reid is basically unbeatable in a close game. He was a good coach in Philadelphia, virtually now unbeatable in the AFC in close games. Even against Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert and C.J. stroud and Josh Allen. Joe Burrow, he's virtually unbeatable in close games. Why Coaches matter, but we know quarterbacks matter more. Belichick Brady, Andy Reid, Mahomes like as great as those coaches are, it's a 7030 split. And so we did this with the Bears yesterday and I want to do it with the Cowboys. If you have a decided disadvantage going in any game at head coach or quarterback, it's really, really hard to win. And so I looked at the Cowboy schedule. Now I won't count Philadelphia because Jalen Hurts is somewhere between the 8th and 10th best quarterback and Dak in my opinion is somewhere between 11th, 12th and 13th. So I don't think it's a decided advantage. Hurts who I like more over Dak Sirianni don't love him but I get him. Schottenheimer don't like it all in terms of a head coach of a NFL franchise in 2025. So I'll take Philadelphia out. Week four they face Cowboys face the Packers Decided head coaching disadvantage loss Week 7 Washington decided quarterback disadvantage loss following week Week 8 Denver head coach disadvantage loss Week 13 Kansas City decided coach and quarterback disadvantage loss at Detroit quarterback disadvantage loss Minnesota head coach disadvantage loss Chargers next week coach quarterback disadvantage loss at Washington at least quarterback disadvantage loss. That's eight losses and Vegas is over under win total on the Cowboys. Sure enough it's at seven and a half. I would take the under but it's seven and a half so that doesn't mean the Raiders almost with a quarterback head coaching disadvantage almost beat the Chiefs. And by the way Arizona clobbered the Rams last year, but Kyler Murray played a perfect football game. I'm not joking. He literally had a perfect quarterback passer rating. It was his best game, arguably as a pro. Marvin Harrison was uncoverable. Kyler Murray was perfect. And I think there's a lot of people in the NFL, and I really believe this, that really like Arizona's coach, Jonathan Gannon. I think there's a lot of people. He took them from 4 and 13 to 8, 9 last year and they were in a lot of games even though they were banged up. So that's kind of how I feel on Dallas, is that if you, if you have a quarterback or head coach, clear disadvantage. It's incredibly hard to win in this league now. Roster composition matters. Ownership, as our next guest knows, really matters. And with that, I bring on Carson Palmer. Fifteen years, three time Pro Bowler. You know, I was talking about this earlier. I think quarterback's actually undervalued. And we all know you're the most important position. And I also think ownership matters. Roster composition, head coach. But Andy Reid, we knew was good. Now he's unbeatable. Belichick was great. Brady leaves, not as great. The guy I have defended is Joe Burrow because. And you know this situation, I said this about a week ago on the show. I said if you gave Carson Palmer, Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie, we would talk about Carson like we do Peyton Manning, is that you were in a situation and you were outspoken. And by the way, in an era, players weren't Carson. They weren't. You were. Do you look at Burrow sometimes? And can you see what I think I see, which is a. He is signaling to ownership and management. He's getting really frustrated a lot.
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Carson Palmer
Well, I think resigning T. Higgins kind of put out a little bit of that fire that has been starting. But if you just look at the organization over the last handful of years, they've done a good job of retaining talent. Like re signing Jamar, like resigning T. You think back to the year after the super bowl lost the Rams and they revamped that offensive line. That offensive line was maybe the biggest issue in that super bowl game. They didn't hit on all the free agent acquisitions they made after the super bowl, unfortunately. But at least they were willing to do it and willing to spend the money. They showed Joe that they're willing, you know, to hear him out. And when he says, hey, we need to keep T, we need to keep Chase, you know, they have done that. So they've showed the support you know, I think they're still working through a number of things, especially on the defensive side of the ball. But defending Joe Burrow, I'm in the same court. I think he's, he's one of the top couple guys in the game. If, if, you know, he can be in, you know, positions this year where he doesn't have to score 38 points every week to win. I think they're a playoff team.
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Dan Beyer
Do contract disputes like Hendrickson and Micah. As a former star player, you want to support that player. I mean, if you draft a guy and get a guy or even if you acquire him, I'm for like, if he's a good human being, resign him. Does it disrupt the team? Does it disrupt meetings? Does it, does it, what does it do to the club?
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Carson Palmer
No, it's, it's just part of the deal. I don't think people are surprised. I don't think people get annoyed. I think the biggest thing with Micah's situation is he hasn't practiced, he's not physically ready. So like we're all kind of saying the same thing. They're eventually going to pay him, right? Probably right before the start of the season or maybe in the second week. The problem is then you pay a guy top tier money and his body hasn't gone through a real training camp and all the preseason games and the preparation that a guy like Mike Micah needs to get his body ready to be durable throughout the season. So I think that's the biggest issue and the biggest distraction is he's protecting his body because he, he's not under a new contract and he's not physically ready to play. He's going to really start practicing as soon as this contract, you know, situation gets filtered out and then he's getting in shape and then he's building up the protection and the strength he needs to endure a 17 week season.
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Dan Beyer
Yeah, so I have said in your era, in Eli Manning's era, I used to say, give a quarterback two full years, I'll start making harsh judgments. Thanksgiving year three, the world's changed. Seven on seven camps, summer camps, personal coaching. And now I'm like, Thanksgiving, year two, I'm going to make a decision. So I'm okay with a cult saying to Anthony Richards, it's not working. Like, we just don't think with Shane Steichen it's working. But I do look at Caleb Williams and I think, okay, we got the coach, right? I think, and, and Caleb's so darn talented. When would you. Is it a number of games or is it something you see and the Bears have never gotten quarterback? Right. Do you just say we're giving this kid three years, period? We're giving him three years.
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Carson Palmer
I think the talent and the success he had at the collegiate level, he deserves three years. No doubt. And this is, I mean, you, you pair him up with the head coach that's there now, you know, if he has an opportunity to be the quarterback. We all saw that, that we thought he was going to be that first year when he was at sc. I think the sky's the limit. I mean, there is no better opportunity for, you know, for a head coach and a play caller for him to play for. I think we'll see it by week five, by week six. I wouldn't even wait all the way till Thanksgiving because there's a resume of success and a history of success from college on. I think Anthony Richards, in a different situation, you know, he was a high risk, you know, high reward type player because he was so athletically gifted without having the resume and success at the collegiate level that Caleb had. When you think back to that, that Florida year that he played, they didn't win a ton of games. He wasn't ultra, you know, successful like Caleb was in college. And so he was a really high risk, high reward guy. And, you know, I think what we saw in college at Florida is the same thing we've seen him do, you know, since he's been in Indy.
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Dan Beyer
So as a quarterback, you hear about Caleb's footwork here. He holds the ball too long as a quarterback. What is correctable through coaching? And is there anything that you found in your career that's not coachable, that's just sort of innate? It's who you are. You couldn't be coached up, sideways or down on it. Like what, where is a coach limited with a quarterback?
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Carson Palmer
Well, I think the, the footwork and the, you know, the technique of the game is so big and so easily fixable. It just takes rep after rep after rep after rep. And so, you know, I think he's got the right coach, like I was saying, you know, to really, really put the fine touches on his technique and get his fundamentals where they need to be. But the things you can't teach are being able to stand the pocket when you're getting hit in the face and throw the ball accurately with timing. That's the biggest issue you see, guys, is when you get to the NFL and you're getting hit play after play after play and you don't always get to Rely on those fundamentals and technique and you have to stand in the pocket and make a play and throw with anticipation. Those things you can't teach, those things you can't really work on and make much better. But the fundamentals of the game that starts in February, as soon as he takes some time off after the season, and I'm sure he's been doing that with the coaching staff there in Chicago this offseason.
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Dan Beyer
So Matt Stafford's got a back issue, which is. I don't care what profession we're talking about. In any labor intensive work environment, backs are a problem. Are. Were there times in your career because you were a quarterback that you maybe hurt more than you let on, that you were in more pain, that you are more concerned with your body, but because you were Carson, you're the quarterback. You didn't tell the coaches, you didn't let on. Is it possible? Stafford's being a good soldier here, but he's got a real issue physically and he's just not going to announce it to the team. He's just going to play through it because he's a tough guy. He's been a tough guy day one in the league.
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Carson Palmer
Absolutely. It's happening in every locker room. It's not just the quarterback position, but really with the quarterback position because everything is scrutinized so greatly. There's definitely some issues, there's definitely injuries that guys don't, you know, let the media know about that. The team tries to really limit on, on the amount of information that that is disclosed about something like a back issue. But Matt's resume speaks for itself. He's done it, you know, ever since his days back playing for the Detroit Lions where he wouldn't practice maybe on a Monday or Tuesday and then be ready to play by the time he got to Sundays. Now, you know, Matt's got so many reps under his belt. He's been doing it for so long. And with a coach like Coach McVay who really obviously trust, trust Matt, I think he probably goes through most the season, very rarely practicing, if ever, trying to feel as good as he can on Sundays. And you know, the backup quarterbacks there, that's a great opportunity for those guys to develop to see if they're the guys that can replace Stafford eventually. But Matt's the guy that doesn't need all the reps, he doesn't need all the timing things that most young quarterbacks like Caleb really need on these early practices in the week, you know, and I think with Matt's situation. If you don't have your back and you don't have your feet or you got issues in those two areas, it's really hard to do anything, let alone play NFL quarterback.
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Dan Beyer
So you're coaching at Santa Margarita. They face Mission Viejo on Friday, which by the way, Mark Sanchez played there. So you're dealing with young players now. Yeah, yeah, you're playing, you're coaching now. Young kids. We have nil in college. We have the transfer portal. Players have been empowered high school players. Now the great ones are getting paid as they're leaving. You know, they're getting recruited. It's, you know, they're, they're going to get paid. If they're five star guys by the time they leave high school, they'll get paid. People have often said, coaches I've talked to, they worry about will they be as motivated, will they be able to deal with crisis because they can just transfer. Take me to the young people. You coach at a powerhouse high school with the elite talent. Have kids actually changed that much?
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Carson Palmer
No, this game is still pure. I mean, it's a lot for the love of the game. It's not professional yet. I do see, just like we saw a couple of years ago, the college game become professional. I can see that happening, you know, at the high school level. But right now it's still pure. I mean, there's still the transfer portal like situation. You're still going to have some kids that come and go and that's all, that's part of the game, you know, in every, every conference, every division across, across high school football in this country. But it's still pure, it's still love of the game you're playing with, you know, you're playing with your boys on Friday nights. But I do see that changing in the next handful of years and wouldn't be surprised if we saw some nil money start creeping into, you know, sophomores and juniors in high school.
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Dan Beyer
Wow, that is. Boy, when the sophomore running back drives a better car than the coach in high school. Carson, Ben. Sc.
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Carson Palmer
That's when it gets scary.
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Dan Beyer
Yeah. Good luck to you this season. We'll keep our eye on it. Thanks, Carson.
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Carson Palmer
Thanks, Colin.
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Dan Beyer
Yeah, you know, it's, I remember talking, you know, he kind of defended the Cincinnati Bengals, but he also defended Joe Burrow. I remember talking to Tony Gonzalez about this one time. He didn't like at one point in Kansas City, they brought in a new coach and he didn't like how he was being used. So he, he went to Atlanta and Tony said you know, I just, I wasn't, that wasn't who. I wasn't going to be outspoken and, and I, and I. One of the only criticisms I ever had of Andrew Luck is he always took all the burdens of the Colts. It was always like, hey, it's on me. And it's like, no, it's not on you. It's not on you. The roster stinks. And so I, I am going to defend the star quarterback. When Brady went, I think we talked about this yesterday when Brady went to Tampa through 12 games with Bruce Arians, they were 7 and 5 and Brady was at wit's end. They had a bye week and Brady said we're going to switch it up, we're going to run my offense. They did. They didn't lose again. They won the Super Bowl. And so like there's a lot of times athletes, I mean like Micah Parsons does have a year left on his contract. You know, you don't see quarterbacks usually want to sit out with a year left on their contract. I do think you have to play to the end of your current contract regardless of how you feel. But I will. But we don't see quarterbacks be temperamental. Do a lot of holdouts. And so I think a fascinating story this year is Joe Burrow almost every great quarterback in league history. Aikman had Jimmy Johnson, Montana and Steve Young had very good George Seifert and Bill Walsh. I mean Brady had Belichick. Mahomes has Reed. I certainly think Sean McDermott is a B plus coach with Josh Allen. Lamar Jackson has John Harbaugh. It is hard to find. Drew Brees has Sean Payton. Almost every great quarterback all time. Dan Fouts had Don Coriel, Bradshaw had Chuck Noel, Kenny Stabler. I think for a while had John Madden. I think it is hard to find a great quarterback that does not have an elite coach. I don't know if Zach Taylor is a great coach but I know Joe Burrow is a great quarterback and I know it's the smallest personnel department in the league and I know it's one of the poorest ownership situations. So I feel like Burrows living a very isolated NFL life where he is an all time great quarterback and ownership personnel roster. I like Zach Taylor more than everybody else. I don't know how John you feel. I like him more than everybody else. I don't know if he's elite. I mean Stafford eventually got Sean McVay. Like you'll find the great quarterbacks in the sport. They eventually find their kingpin. They eventually find their guy. If not first coach, second coach. And I worry that Burrow is going to spend his entire life in Cincinnati and never get the guy, the owner, the coach, the roster. And that super bowl trip was the only one he wasn't paid yet. And from this point forward, he's just going to be a great quarterback that sometimes makes the playoffs.
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Colin Cowherd
I think Carson's a great example. I mean, late in his career, he got Bruce Arians and a really, really good Cardinal team. Imagine if he would have got Bruce Arians at 25 years old instead of whatever he was, 33, 34, 35. And obviously he'd already had some injuries. You know, most times when you get drafted really high in the NFL, you go to a terrible team, right? And the terrible teams typically have bad coaches, bad ownership. You know, Howie Roseman and Andy Reid and Sean McDermott. The Harbaugh brothers typically are drafted in one or two.
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Dan Beyer
Yeah, it is. Yeah. It's like. It's almost like if. I don't think this is the perfect comp. But compare, like, a great quarterback to a great young acting talent, eventually the great Christian Bale, eventually, Leonardo DiCaprio, whoever it is, eventually you find a great director. Tom Cruise figured this out. Like, Tom Cruise had different directors and different projects. And finally Tom Cruise is like, you know, I'm going to do Mission Impossible over and over and over again. And I'm going to. I'm going to find a director that I really work with, and I'm going to go back and back. And then Tom Cruise, over the last 10 years, maybe last 15, has exploded. There was a time with Tom Cruise, it was hit bad, great, not so great. Weird film, bad film, good film. Finally he found. And again, I think if you're just really talented, you will find. I mean, I go. Go watch the Billy Joel doc on hbo. Like, he finally found the management group. He finally found a rhythm in his career. Guy was broke at like 45, and he was a huge star. Like, eventually, talent will find the right partner. I'm just hoping Burrow eventually gets the support that Jalen Hurts has. Hey, look at Herbert. He finally got hardball. The Spanos has went. They identified Herbert as a huge talent. They're like, we have to pay 15 million to get the right coach.
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Colin Cowherd
I think the thing, though, you know, an actor, I could choose my director as a. As an artist. I can choose my manager as a football player. The way the NFL set up, you don't. You're not really hitting free agency like Kevin Durant. You know Joe Burrow, the Bengals could never let him go. They could just let his contract go, franchise him. I mean, they kind of got him. I mean, and we know Mike Brown. Ask Carson Palmer isn't the most open minded when it comes to different options for his players. So I hate to say it, I know you've been pushing. Maybe Joe Burrow, if this year gets weird, could ask for a trade. I think he's stuck in Cincinnati now. Granted, he signed a contract, but if it gets really ugly, he's kind of stuck there for a minute.
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Dan Beyer
Yeah, if Joe Burrow puts up the kind of year he did last year and does not make the playoffs, you know, you think he disappeared to Fashion week last year in Paris. Like, he may just say, guys, I'm not going to camps. Like, I'm done with this. I just, I think it's a story to watch. It's one thing if you say, hey, we were in the playoffs of the final week, we didn't make it. But, you know, but if they don't sign Hendrickson and they don't make the playoffs and he has to win shootouts, I really think that is the, that is the inferno, the potential inferno. Outside of the Cowboys melting down with Schottenheimer and the Micah situation early, we.
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Colin Cowherd
Would just need Raj to copy Adam Silver like Luca to the Lakers and get Burrow to, you know, the Cowboys or the Rams or something like that, and everyone would be happy.
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Dan Beyer
Yeah, I would be.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Dan Beyer
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News Segment Host
No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herdline news.
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Dan Beyer
Okay?
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Colin Cowherd
Yesterday, the Colts announced that Daniel Jones had one won the team starting job Over Anthony Richardson. Following the news, Richardson's agent stopped short of demanding a trade, but instead said of the relationship with the front office, we have a lot to discuss. Trust is a big factor, and at best, that is questionable right now. Meanwhile, Richardson took the high road about the decision.
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News Segment Host
No, he made a decision. You know, that's the decision we got to live. But, you know, no hard feelings. He never said personal. I just got to keep growing, you know, I just can't let me not being a starter, you know, stop me from growing and being the person, the player that I'm supposed to be. So I just got to stay focused and keep grinding.
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Dan Beyer
I love his attitude. He seems like a really nice kid. He's just. He just hadn't. By the way, bo nicks got 61 college starts. Jaden Daniel got 55 college starts. It's like you said earlier, the clock has changed. We're not giving you three years. So if you come in with 13 college starts, it you're at a huge disadvantage and you're immediately on the clock.
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Colin Cowherd
My question is this. It is difficult, especially for young players, most of them, to just be super outspoken about their true feelings. Maybe the agent was actually speaking what Anthony Richardson really can't say to the public. Do you think this is untenable and he's going to be traded the next couple weeks? Or if you're the Colts, you just keep them around. Can you do that to your locker room? It's kind of a bizarre situation.
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Dan Beyer
Well, did you notice yesterday that the Colts and Shane Steichen made a point and I'm sure Ballard and Steichen talked about this when they named Daniel Jones the starter. They said for the season they wanted to make it clear this wasn't a go either way thing. Here's our starter. It's for the season. No reason to ask questions. Anthony Richardson is officially the backup. And I think a lot of it is he. Daniel Jones is just more consistently accurate. He can distribute the ball. But I thought the way they announced it was very clear is we're kind of moving on. And that also sends a signal to the league. Anybody want to give us a draft pick? We're open to discussions.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, to me, that's why if I'm less need, if I'm Brett Veach, obviously we have an established starter. We even feel good about our backups. But this is a true. He's not playing anyway. So if I'm Andy Reid, I got a little downtime during the week. I'm working with this guy. Maybe he's an asset in the off season. I can trade. We've seen Sean McVay do this with Baker Mayfield. I do have to wonder if some teams, a lot of people liked him a lot coming out of college.
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Dan Beyer
A raw product.
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Colin Cowherd
But if you can get them, I don't know, for a fifth round pick. Jerry was nuts when he traded a fourth for Trey Lance. I don't think anyone would go near that number, but maybe a conditional fifth, maybe a sixth. I think a lot of teams would be very interested about just having a guy they can work with in practice.
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Dan Beyer
Yeah, I will say, remember when he pulled himself out of a game.
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Colin Cowherd
That's a tough one. That's a tough one.
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Dan Beyer
I don't know what to do with that. I think that's a little bit of a red flag to some players, some, some GMs in the league.
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Colin Cowherd
It felt like that unofficially ended his Colts career that moment. And they've never kind of looked back. Speaking of a career just getting started, the Patriots drafted running back Travion Henderson out of Ohio State with her second round pick this offseason. And he's already made a big impact this preseason. So much so so that the friend of the show, Julian Edelman, believes he could be the draft's ultimate selection. Trayvon Henderson's probably steal the draft. I think that's the kind of guy you need to draft that becomes part of that nucleus. With Drake, you know, that's, that's how you build your team. Just from hearing, you know, coaches speak about him, with his maturity, the way he is as a professional, that's going to be really good. If he can go out and have production, then everyone, you know, everyone's going to see how he works, how he is as a person on and off the field. And it makes the other guys in the locker room like, man, that's why he's doing this.
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Dan Beyer
Yeah. Generally, to be a great team or an ascending team, you need to find a gem, a George Kittle in the fifth round, like, right. Most, I mean, Travis Kelsey, most great teams, dynasty. Gronk was not an early pick most of the time. When you look at some of the great teams of all time, they found a steal somewhere in the draft. I mean, Brady, they didn't have to pay for five years. Now this is a second round player, but if I told you he was the rookie of the year, would you be shocked with Vrabel's style of coaching?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, not, not at all. I mean, think of the guy Vrabel coached and be became a Hall of Fame player in Tennessee, Derrick Henry, second round pick. The second round is often viewed by GMs and personnel people as the best round because you can get star players. Nick Chubb, Deebo, Samuel, DK Metcalf, you name it. The list goes on and on. Shady McCoy for not first round money. So you get them on a four year contract making a million or two dollars. So you get a guy like this at a really cheap number. And historically, running backs, that second round, especially high in the second round has been a real big sweet spot. So this is a game about speed, spreading it out. And this guy, I mean, is explosive.
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Dan Beyer
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
To basketball, where Luka made some headlines this offseason about completely revamping his workouts and really just getting skinny. He's shown off his new physique during the exhibition games ahead of the Euro basketball tournament with Slovenia. He put up 28 and 10 against Great Britain. According to one of his Slovenian teammates, Luka's new physique has allowed him to be faster and Colin to jump more during their games and practices. So the future looks bright for skinny and in shape Luka Doncic.
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Dan Beyer
Well, you know, there are statistics that are fascinating to me and others that don't matter, but I think Luka, there was a number that he had 25 dunks his first year and he had like one last year. Okay, that's just. You've lost your explosiveness. And when you watched him last year and you know, I'm sitting in L. A, I watch a lot of Laker games, he just didn't beat people off the dribble. What made him so great initially is he could beat you off the dribble and finish at the rim or do that quirky fall away that was all elbows and knees. He became basically that's what he could largely do. He couldn't beat you consistently off the dribble. I mean, look at the pictures we're showing now. He doesn't look like the same person that he is in the workout videos and the Internet. I mean, look at. He looks like a power four. So he now will become first two year Luka, which is ball in his hands, scoring 33, still not a great defender, but controlling the tempo. I thought last year there were times he let LeBron take over for rest, that he was just didn't trust his body.
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Colin Cowherd
Can you explain this to me? You're a world traveler. You know, the Europeans, they're healthier, they walk more, they're just a little skinnier than us. Yet their basketball players relative to our American basketball players, all struggle with diet and just kind of their physique early in their career is just. Their diet doesn't translate to elite, you know, athletics, professional athletics over here. Because Luka Jokic, now Jokic changed his body. Looks like Luca. I don't know. Mixing a couple salads. Maybe not as many beers, but that's never been a knock. Our basketball players might not be as skilled, but no one ever goes, you know, that small forward, he's. He's overweight. Playing for Duke. That's not really the way we talk about her, guys.
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Dan Beyer
Yeah. You know, I always looked at international basketball when 20 years ago, I used to think of European players as soft. I no longer think that they. I always thought of them as highly skilled. Their academies were about learning skill. I mean, it's like everybody can shoot. It feels like all the bigs can shoot, Wemby can shoot. I think their coaching's underrated and their skill levels remarkable. I've never looked at physique. I will say this. I absolutely, definitively believe that European players are tougher and more physical today than 20 years ago. There was a lot of Tony Ku coach, which is, I can score, but, I mean, Pippen and MJ are literally going after him physically because they don't. They don't respect him. Most of your international. I mean, Jokic will get into a fight and his brothers are right behind him. Like, Jokic is physical, Giannis is physical, so. And SGA is a skinny guy, but he's banging into people constantly. So I don't. I don't know. But I do think they've made advances in physicality international.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I've been walking around the streets of L. A, Colin, and everyone tells me this is the face of the lakers now, not LeBron. So, Luka, welcome to Los Angeles. This is your team now.
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Dan Beyer
Yeah, it is. John, with the news.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, that's the news.
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Dan Beyer
And thanks for stopping by.
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Colin Cowherd
The Herd lie news.
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Dan Beyer
Mack Brown, he is out of coaching the national championship head coach at Texas Carolina. Belichick's taken over that program. I remember when Dion took over Colorado, Colorado, tcu, and I'm like, I don't even know what I'm going to get. I think. In fact, I think I went on the air and said, I'm taking tcu. I think I said that. I don't remember exactly, but my guess is I took tcu. They had. They had some momentum as a program. They had NFL guys. I'm not supposed to feel this way. That's how I feel with Belichick, I'm like, I don't even know what they are and I don't know if it's going to translate if what's the line on that? Like tcu. I have a weird feeling we're all buying into this thing. Could there be a thud? I mean, his quarterback is kind of a runaround guy, not classic Belichick. Sit in the pocket, deliver the ball. I don't even know. There's the line like three or four points. I don't know. I don't know what I'm going to get with Belichick against tcu. Say big in your oh, TCU is. Is that minus or plus? So TCU is favored by three and a half. I I think I take TCU like I don't know what. At least I know what I get with tcu. I know the players. I know the program.
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Colin Cowherd
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, real talk.
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Colin Cowherd
Tomorrow. The game's most historic rivalry takes center stage as Alex Bregman and the Red Sox take on Aaron Judge and the Yankees or the Astros battle the Orioles. Check local listing for the game in your area. Tomorrow at 7 Eastern on Fox.
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Dan Beyer
So I was talking to the guys during the break. It is fascinating to me on what makes Shador Sanders so popular. Like in. In Cleveland, it is unbelievably polarizing. There are camps of people that love him. I understood people loving Tim Tebow even though he was unproven because of his great religious conviction. There was a link with Christianity and his lifestyle. Just like, oh, I'd like my daughter to marry that quarterback. Like, I got his appeal. I got Cam Newton's appeal. I mean, the guy was literally a defensive end playing quarterback. He was a star in college. Wildly entertaining. That Auburn game against lsu, you're like, like, I get popular Baker Mayfield, ego wearing it on his chest. I get popularity for young quarterbacks. Shador is not dynamic to watch. There's no religious conviction. He's not a flashy quarterback. He didn't have a big arm. He didn't run around like Lamar. He's not, you know, kind of cocky like a Johnny Manziel or a Baker Mayfield. He seems like a nice kid, kind of silly. Well, his dad was famous, folks. Almost every quarterback in the NFL's dad played college football, played in the NFL. It's just interesting. I understand. I understand. When fans go crazy for Reggie Bush, like when he came into the NFL, it's like, oh, my God. Some players are so dynamic that you just emotionally, you fall in love with players. I love this guy. I love his personality. I love his confidence. I love. What's the Shador thing? His game's not dynamic. And I. And I think he was underdrafted. I like him. I'm rooting for the kid. I don't think he's serious enough. I think he's kind of silly. He does not have a big arm. He's not flashy. He's not wildly athletic. He's not. I don't think he's cocky. I think he lacks some self awareness. I don't think he's cocky. He's. He's a likable kid. I'm gonna. Arch Manning is gonna be a rock star. Between the name, you're gonna watch him play. He's got A big arm. He moves well. Texas football. He should have played at Colorado. Even Tebow. Tebow played at Florida. Urban Meyer, polarizing program. Cam was in the sec. Rock star Shador's popularity is fat. He goes to Carolina, play a game in Carolina. Everybody's wearing Shador Sanders jerseys. It's like, all right, I don't know. You guys are young. I got a couple young guys next to me. Is it. Do you have a Shador slash Barry Sanders jersey at home? Do you? Do you. Is there something there? Like, are you wildly fascinated by Shador? You are the celebration stuff. I. I don't know. Like. Like, I will tell you, Arch Manning is going. If he's as good as. I think Arch is going to be special. The name, the game. Like, he's the only Manning that runs. I mean, like, he'll run over you. He is. In fact, I would say he needs to learn how to slide. He's not a real slider yet. It's like, bro, settle down. Get out of bounds, slide his game. Especially at a glamorous program like Texas. Like, I. I get that game. He got Riz. He may not. He may not show you yet. He got a little Riz. But here. Here's. By the way, here is Arch Manning on his grandfather Archie, saying he's gonna be for sure at Texas the next two years. Yeah, I don't know where he got that from.
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Colin Cowherd
He texted me and apologized about that, but I'm really just taking it day by day right now.
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Dan Beyer
So the staff just told me. Shedeur has done a great job of branding. He makes people think something without having much of a product. Really? Is that a thing? Is that Riz. Does that count as Riz? I don't know. I mean, like, okay, I also understand the popularity of Brock Purdy. He's an underdog, right? Like, I get the underdog. Baker felt he had to transfer. Baker was a little small. Baker's an underdog. Chigurh's not an underdog. His dad's Deion Sanders. And by the way, we generally don't love you because your dad was famous. I mean, the Manning family is American football royalty. Like, every Manning you're kind of fascinated with because Eli's winning Super bowl and Peyton's one of the greats all time. Like, I'm just fascinated to watch Arch Manning come from that lineage. Right? But it. It's. And maybe just Shador is standing on business. I don't even really know what that means, but it just sounds. Well, it sounds cringy when I say it. But the point is, can you explain Mitikov? What is. How is he going on the road and selling jerseys? It's Cleveland.
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Colin Cowherd
I do think an element has a huge factor of his dad. I mean, his dad's been one of the most famous athletes in the country for, I don't know, 35 years. Huge personality, polarizing. Then coach.
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Dan Beyer
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
Became a big brand. They started doing huge television numbers. Wasn't the Colorado TCU game was on Fox Week one, two, whatever, three years ago. I remember watching that. That was a. That was a cultural moment. I mean, I felt like everyone I knew watched it. I mean, momentum grew.
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Dan Beyer
Colorado sold out football games instantly. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
The irony is the talent. He's not their son, but he feels like a son is Travis Hunter. That's the guy most likely won the Heisman. Plays both ways, but he does. But he's kind of boring. He actually says nothing. I don't really know that much about him. Besides, he just seems like a mellow, easygoing guy.
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Dan Beyer
Yeah, no, he is an unbelievable. I mean, he could be our Ohtani. He could be a Pro Bowler on both sides.
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Colin Cowherd
I also think anytime. You know, one of the most. What really made Aaron Rodgers a household name, it was slipping in the draft.
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Colin Cowherd
Going 24, sitting in that green room. He's that draft moment. As a. As a content creator, that. That was a big Friday Saturday for me. I mean, that was a big moment for the guy.
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Dan Beyer
You know what? This is a great point. I think you just hit on it, is that we're rooting for him because there is a sense he got dogged by the league, the corporation, the shield, the NFL, they dogged him. And now he is actually. Although it's hard to say any one of Deion Sanders kids is an underdog, there is a sense that he got. He got dogged by the league, and he is viewed as an underdog.
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Colin Cowherd
I think it would be different if he had just been whatever the Browns were drafting.
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Dan Beyer
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
Two, if they had just drafted him second overall. Like, I mean, in February, NFL people weren't talking like that, but the media was. If he had just been drafted in the first round, even if he had gone in the 20s, like Jackson Dart, I do wonder if it'd be a little. He went in the fifth round, Colin. I mean, you start taking people from, like, Mexico that had played football for one year, dudes from Australia. In the fifth round, he.
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Dan Beyer
He has two and a half times the Instagram followers of Jaden Daniels.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Dan Beyer
I mean, just. It is any and he plays for a bad, maybe the worst team in the league. I think you are right. I think dropping in the draft made him an incredibly a populist. Now he is part of everybody thinks they've been jobbed a little bit in life. They've been overlooked. You can relate to that. And he gets drafted in the first round. It doesn't feel like that. Well, we all have juggles and struggles and faults and flaws because to be a pet parent is to be human. And we can only do so much. Hills Pet Nutrition is a leader in science led nutrition for dogs and cats. And I got a lot of dogs. Hill's helps burn fat and benefits include lean muscle, strong bones, a shiny coat for your dog. They use high quality protein sources. Hill's science led nutrition helps you give more love than humanly possible. If you love your dogs like I do, use Hills. You're only human. There's Hills. Science does more Summer is here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A nice tan. Sorry, A box fan? Happily, yes. A day of sunshine? No. A box of fine wines? Yes, Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details.
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Colin Cowherd
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