THE HERD - Hour 2 - The harsh criticism of Arch Manning, thoughts on James Franklin and Penn State, MLB playoffs today, Joel Klatt

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: THE HERD - Hour 2
Date: October 8, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd
Guest Analyst: Joel Klatt
Main Theme:
A deep-dive into the current critical narratives in college football—particularly around Arch Manning, James Franklin and Penn State, and USC—alongside analysis of NFL quarterback play, MLB playoffs, and broader coaching trends.

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Episode Overview

This hour focuses on:

• The evolving landscape of NFL quarterback performance
• The scrutiny surrounding Arch Manning and the Texas program
• James Franklin's trajectory at Penn State
• Broader college football trends, including physicality and coaching shifts
• Brief MLB playoff insights
• The impact of leadership and identity in professional football

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The State of NFL Quarterback Play

(03:25 – 07:45)

• Colin Cowherd opens with observations that QB play in the NFL is at an all-time high, noting the record 15 QBs with passer ratings over 100.
• Three main factors for improvement:
  1. Coaching: More smart, young mentors like McVay and O’Connell.
  2. Experience: College QBs now start more games (Bo Nix, Jaden Daniels, Brock Purdy), plus extra 7-on-7 and personal coaching.
  3. Defensive Scheming: Rise of mobile QBs forces more zone coverage, easing passing opportunities.

"When people complain about quarterback play, this is the best it's ever been in my life." — Colin Cowherd (03:45)

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Arch Manning's Criticism and Texas' Struggles

(07:45 – 10:24)

• Colin discusses recent harsh media takes on Arch Manning, with “The Athletic” questioning if he’s a "flop".
• Notes that 50% of 5-star QBs miss badly; the transition from high school to college is extremely challenging—often harder than college to NFL.
• Joel Klatt points out Arch hasn't played well, but the struggles are systemic:
  • Rebuilt, underperforming offensive line
  • Declining WR production
  • Ineffective overall team performance
• Stakes are escalated: Texas has to win to stay in College Football Playoff contention.

“Sark knows they have got to get better. But part of the main issue is the offensive line.” — Joel Klatt (10:15)

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Coaching Pressure: Sarkisian and James Franklin Parallels

(10:24 – 11:23)

• Colin observes that pressure has shifted from coach Steve Sarkisian to Arch Manning due to the Manning legacy:
  • “The public knows you can't bench a Manning, even though you could… it’s taken heat off Sark.” — Colin Cowherd (09:45)
• Joel notes narratives are building around Sark’s struggles in big games, mirroring the decade-long story for Penn State’s James Franklin.

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USC, Lincoln Riley, and the Physicality Question

(11:23 – 15:05)

• Colin and Joel preview USC vs. Michigan, calling it a “Lincoln Riley defining game.”
• Colin questions whether Riley can ever build a truly physical program at USC, instead of just out-skilling opponents.
• Joel pushes back, recalling Oklahoma’s past physical dominance under Riley, but acknowledges the evidence at USC is lacking:
  • “There’s not a ton of evidence right now that would suggest USC is all of a sudden going to match the physicality of a team like Michigan.” — Joel Klatt (13:10)
• Discussion of recent games where opponents ran straight at USC—most notably Illinois—exposing physical deficiencies.

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Travel Complaints in College Football

(15:05 – 18:43)

• Colin vents about West Coast coaches complaining about Big Ten travel logistics.
• Joel tries to reframe adversity as team-building and emphasizes how coaches set the tone for the program’s approach to challenges.
• Telling anecdote from Brett Musburger on only focusing on the next assignment: “One assignment at a time. That’s a great way to look at travel.” — Colin Cowherd (18:07)

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James Franklin, Penn State, and Program Standards

(18:43 – 22:22)

• Colin and Joel debate Penn State's loss to UCLA and the expectation gap between blue-blood programs and others.
• Klatt criticizes Penn State’s scheme-player mismatch—notably, using Drew Aller in ineffective running situations and lacking WR production.
• “The wide receiver corps at Penn State has wildly underperformed over the last few years… the scheme doesn’t fit what Drew Aller does best.” — Joel Klatt (21:08)

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NFL–College Football Coaching Dynamics

(22:22 – 25:07)

• As Belichick falters in college, Colin posits that NCAA coaches are quietly pleased; managing a college team is now more about being a CEO than just football.
• Joel: The role demands being an executive—constant meetings with players, agents, and organizing NIL/revenue share.
• “You’ve got to wear all the hats...it’s less about football than you would actually anticipate now.” — Joel Klatt (23:13)

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Who Are the Best Teams in College Football Right Now?

(25:07 – 27:22)

• Colin’s Top 3: Ohio State, Oregon, Miami. Notably, no SEC teams.
• Joel explains: The SEC is now deeper but lacks an elite standout; teams like Texas A&M, Ole Miss, and Missouri could contend.
• Parity is discussed: Indiana is only a slight underdog at Oregon, indicating Vegas sees real competitiveness outside the SEC.

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MLB Playoffs Quick Take

(28:03 – 28:34)

• Colin predicts a great baseball day but remains skeptical about the Yankees advancing, and Joel shares a brief story about his own baseball background.

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Leadership, Identity, and Interim Coaches

(39:00 – 45:16)

• Colin cautions against overreacting to interim coaching “sugar highs” in the NFL, citing examples where the team’s energy bumps are temporary (e.g., Antonio Pierce with the Raiders, Cooper Rush with the Cowboys).
• “A lot of people in a moment are successful... but you can’t duplicate it over the long term.” — Colin Cowherd (44:49)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you look at what [Texas has] done against FBS competition, it’s like nothing. So there’s no evidence that would lead you to believe this is going to turn around all of a sudden.”
  — Joel Klatt, discussing Texas’ lack of performance (08:34)
• “Styles make fights. The difference is Michigan is a recent natty. Michigan’s recruiting is elite. Nobody questions Michigan’s toughness.”
  — Colin Cowherd (14:38)
• “The match between what they’re trying to do schematically, really, on both sides...doesn’t fit what their players do best.”
  — Joel Klatt, on Penn State (21:02)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:25 — NFL QB play at historic highs: why and how
• 07:45 — Arch Manning, Texas criticism, and program expectations
• 10:24 — Coaching pressure: Sark, Franklin, and big game narratives
• 11:23 — USC vs. Michigan: defining games and clash of philosophies
• 15:05 — College travel complaints and leadership tone-setting
• 18:43 — Penn State: program standards and schematic misfits
• 22:22 — NFL and college coaching roles, Belichick struggles
• 25:07 — College football’s best teams: where SEC stands now
• 28:03 — MLB playoffs brief segment
• 39:00 — Interim coaches, leadership, and maintaining identity

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Overall Tone

• Candid, direct, and at times irreverent. Colin and Joel don’t shy away from criticism of high expectations, coaching jobs, or systemic issues, but always with humor and a coaching-for-the-fans sensibility.
• Insightful yet conversational, often using anecdotes and relatable metaphors to bring the analysis home—whether it’s Brett Musburger's travel philosophy or likening interim coaches to substitute teachers.

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This hour provides a comprehensive, sometimes skeptical look at the state of college football, coaching culture, and leadership, with sharp NFL angles and a side of baseball. Even casual fans will come away understanding why performance, context, and mentality matter so much in shaping big-time sports narratives.

Transcript

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Snax]

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[Colin Cowherd]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two. It's the Herd, the show that wants to actually see Bad Bunny at the super bowl at ha halftime. Great to be back, Joel. Cl to be joining us in a couple of minutes. All fired up. So I saw this. Right now there's, it's not an anomaly. I think this is the future of the NFL. So JMac right now, this is, this is incredible. There are 15 current NFL quarterbacks almost half the lead with a passer rating over 100. Okay. Last year it was 11. The year before it was 6. So when people complain about quarterback play, this is the best it's ever been in my life. I think there are three reasons why it's the best I've ever seen in my life. Number one, the coaching. There's never been this many great young coaches. These Sean McVay's are and Kevin OConnells. They're teachers, they're mentors. And it's like we got like seven Sean Payton and Andy Reeds out there who are very good mentors. So the coaching, the young quarterback coaching, I mean, watch Trevor Lawrence Monday with Liam Cohen. He's a flawed quarterback. That's the best, most comfortable, I think. Well, comfortable, they kind of go back and forth, but it's the best Trevor Lawrence has ever been. So the, the, the coaching, there's just more smart guys coaching. Secondly, quarterbacks are getting personal coaching, seven on seven. They just have more snaps coming out of college. I mean, Bo Nicks had 61 college starts. Jaden Daniels 55. Brock Purdy had almost 50. And that doesn't count the seven on seven coaching the summer stuff. So the quarterbacks come in with more reps, more completions, more attempts, better coaching. And the third thing that doesn't get talked about is that because almost all quarterbacks not named Stafford and Jared Goff are mobile, and because they're mobile, you have to play zone defense. Now in the NFL, you can't turn your back on a quarterback. And so zone defense allows for quarterbacks to hit spots. So quarterbacks have better coaches to hit spots. More starts coming into the NFL to hit spots. And they're good at hitting spots they're not having to do, you know, Now Aaron Rodgers is still a guy that throws the great back shoulder. Aaron Rodgers is so precise.

[Joel Klatt]

It works.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, he, he can not only hit the spots, but Aaron has a way of throwing guys open. Not a lot of quarterbacks do. They're not a lot of Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady was talking about it this past weekend and I, I don't care what the PFF number says. I think Aaron's playing smart, great football. Here was Tom this weekend beyond impressed.

[Joel Klatt]

And, and I think at that age, there's so many other factors that come.

[Colin Cowherd]

Into play about how to be a great quarterback.

[Joel Klatt]

And you know, we all want to talk about what happens in the off season with him. And there's some things that are, There's.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

A lot of narratives out there.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, there's a lot of that. It's a little different. But what we know about him on the field is he's a surgical passer, he's got a killer instinct, he's hyper competitive. And I think he's brought all those things to, to Pittsburgh.

[Colin Cowherd]

And look at these numbers. In the last three years alone in 2023, one quarterback completed 70 plus percent of his throws. Last year, 5. This year, 9. Now it may end up being 6 or 700 plus passer ratings. Three years ago, 6. Last year, 11. Now 15. Now we've had very nice warm fall weather. That helps too. Good weather helps quarterbacks. Buffalo played New England. It's 80. Okay, so, so some years it's, it's 46 and it's windy. But the quality of quarterback play, the coaching's better. The kids are getting personal coaching and more snaps and everybody's playing zone. And when you're playing zone it for some of these guys like the Bakers that have been around in this league forever, it's a lot of pitch and Catch if you get the right coach. And with that, Joel Clatt, the voice of college football on Fox Sports is joining us live. He'll have Ohio State against Illinois. Good to see you. By the way, I saw yesterday there was an. I thought it was way too harsh on Arch Manning.

[Joel Klatt]

Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

The Athletic had an article. Is he the first flop? And I, I pointed out because I like high school football recruiting, 50% of the five star quarterbacks miss badly.

[Joel Klatt]

Sure.

[Colin Cowherd]

A couple of years ago you see USC had one and then he's at Boise State that he's at utep. It's like that's actually what happens all the time. I don't think Arch Manning is flopped. I think he is the reality. If you think it's hard for NFL GMs to figure out what 22 year olds can play, what do you think it's like for Sark trying to figure out what 16 and 17 year olds can play? I think the transition high school to college is tougher than college to the pros for quarterbacks.

[Joel Klatt]

I think the expectations were there though only because he started a couple of games last year and this is his third year, you know, so I think everyone thought that he was going to come out and play better than he has and he hasn't. Arch has not played well at all and Texas has not played well. And that's the other part is that they're not doing really anything well. The offensive line, which was rebuilt this year after a veteran group a year ago, kind of bad, they have not protected him at all. When they do protect him, he doesn't throw the ball well. They can't run it very well. Sark talked about that after that game against Florida last week that they lost. So the offensive line doesn't give him much help. The wide receivers, I think are taking a step down as a group, right. Let's just say from what they have had over the last couple of years and then, yeah, he just has not played very good football. And it's a dangerous week because their backs are against the wall. They've got to win to keep themselves alive in the College Football Playoff conversation. And they're going up against a team that I think has a better defense than Florida and a better defensive line than Florida. So how much pressure is Arch going to be under from that defensive line for? Oh, you. In the Red river game? You know, they could be in for another rude awakening this week. And here's the other part. If you look at what they've done against FBS competition, it's like nothing. Yeah, nothing. So there's no evidence that would lead you to believe that this is going to turn around all of a sudden. It's not like they've had some performance against a good team that would lead you to believe that all of a sudden it's going to get better.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, in a weird way, I was thinking about this this morning. In a weird way, the pressure's off Sark, because I think the public thinks you can't bench a Manning, so all the heat goes to Arch. Any other quarterback with this record, Sark would be getting crushed. But the, the public knows you can't bench a Manning, even though you could, because the family totally gets. And I think it's taken. Nobody's banging on Sark.

[Joel Klatt]

It's true.

[Colin Cowherd]

And I think so. Not that he's a winner in this. He wants to win, but in a strange sort of galaxy, it's taken heat off Sark.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah. But I do think the only pushback I would give is that they're starting. The narrative is starting to build for Sark around big games and that he does not win those big games similar to how it's built now for the last decade for James Franklin. That's exactly right. And so those are games that they've got to start performing a lot better. Even, even last year in the playoff. You know, yes, they, they got to a point where they were playing in a really tight game and a great game against Ohio State. But you could, you could claim that they may be underperformed against Arizona State and were lucky to get away from that game in an overtime game when they had to have a fourth down conversion to do it. Texas right now is not playing near to their ability. I think that falls on their quarterback, but it also falls on their head coach. And he knows that Sark knows that they have got to get better. But part of the main issue is the offensive line. And when your offensive line is not playing well and you're struggling at quarterback, it's a terrible combination. That's exactly what's going on.

[Colin Cowherd]

I will say this weekend before the show, Jason comes up. What do you want to talk about with clap? And I said, klatt, Nile, just let her rip. But one thing that is really important is that USC has the right ad. They've spent a lot of money and I always defended Lincoln Riley with Alex Grinch and when the nil, they couldn't figure it out for like three years. Yeah, they were spending the money wrong. They didn't have the money this Is true. Now they got a lot of money and I said this game against Michigan is a Lincoln Riley defining game.

[Joel Klatt]

Oh, interesting. You're putting that on this weekend.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think it's huge.

[Joel Klatt]

Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, so.

[Joel Klatt]

And not a good matchup for them.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, it's at home that matters. In college. That's a touchdown.

[Joel Klatt]

You bet. Especially coming all the way west. We've seen that in the Big Ten where the travel has, has been an issue for teams.

[Colin Cowherd]

But Notre Dame follows and their quarterback right now is on fire.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, C.J. carr is playing great.

[Colin Cowherd]

They're not beating Oregon and Eugene. Just. That's not happening.

[Joel Klatt]

You would, you would doubt it. You would doubt it.

[Colin Cowherd]

You lose this weekend, you might as well put four losses down. And I'm not talking at Nebraska, I'm not talking about that. You're out of the playoff. And my take is this team, Michigan's physical, they have got to meet them. That Illinois game, we haven't seen that. What if they're just, what if it's this whole Lincoln runs, this speed offense and it doesn't matter what the personnel is, they're never going to be a punch in the mouth program.

[Joel Klatt]

Well, see, the only pushback I would give on that is that they, they were at Oklahoma under Lincoln Riley. They could run it. They could run it really well. And in a few of those years when he was the head coach, they actually had the best offensive line in America, won the Joe Moore Award.

[Colin Cowherd]

How is their defense?

[Joel Klatt]

Their defense struggled.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, so that's my point.

[Joel Klatt]

And, and I will say this though, that we have not seen, like I just said there, there's no evidence to suggest that Texas would all of a sudden play great this weekend. Right. Especially on the offensive side. There's not a ton of evidence right now that would suggest that USC is all of a sudden going to match the physicality of a team like Michigan. We haven't seen that. Whether they've been on the road, whether they've been at home, they've struggled with that. So they've had to outskill people a lot of the times. And it didn't work out. It didn't work out. Think about the Illinois game.

[Colin Cowherd]

You were at that game, brutal.

[Joel Klatt]

And, and you know what Illinois did? They went back to the drawing board and they said, you know what, why don't we just see if they're tough enough and we're going to run right at them. And they couldn't handle that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Couldn't handle it.

[Joel Klatt]

So from a matchup standpoint, if you're sitting There and you're Sharon Moore in the University of Michigan and you're that program that runs the ball. Well, heck, they had 100 yard rusher last week, Justice Haynes, against the number one rushing defense in the country. I know Wisconsin is not a great team, but that element of their team is pretty good. And they ran the ball well, at least at times against Wisconsin. If you're sitting there in your Michigan and you're building a game plan, aren't you licking your chops saying to yourself, we're going to run right at this crew? Now I would say this in USC's defense or in their corner. If I'm building a game plan against Michigan, I'm going to try to throw the football. I'm going to try to get away from their rush, throw the football and try to outskill them on the outside. That's exactly what USC can do. So this one is a clash of styles.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Joel Klatt]

I think it's a really important game for both programs.

[Colin Cowherd]

Styles make fights. The difference is Michigan is a recent natty. Michigan's recruiting is elite. Nobody questions Michigan's toughness.

[Joel Klatt]

That's right. And I think that's the question right now for USC is can they line up and play a physical brand of football? Now we'll see. We'll see. But I again, I just go back to this, this level of evidence. Do I think USC is going to be able to stop Michigan from running the football? No. And that's the answer. The answer is no.

[Colin Cowherd]

Can I vet a little bit here? Sure is. I try to be optimistic, but I can be cranky like everybody else. I can't be hangry. Sure can. Can the coaches on the west coast stop complaining about these Big Ten coaches? Oh, the travel. You got four roadies. All you big powerhouse schools never go on the road at a conference. You got four roadies. One may have bad weather. Give me a break. One of the Big Ten Patriots.

[Joel Klatt]

Give me a break. I typically agree because, well, what's the alternative? You know, and, and even I won't name any names. But like, when they do say that, I think to them, I always think to myself, would you like to join Washington State and Oregon State? Like, how's it working out for them? Like, what was the alternative?

[Colin Cowherd]

Prime example. So, and I think about this all the time. I, I sometimes I complain. So yesterday I ran into the big cheese upstairs.

[Joel Klatt]

Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

And I don't love this whole Chicago LA flying back and forth.

[Joel Klatt]

Wait, you just said you didn't like people that complain about travel.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, exception.

[Joel Klatt]

I Don't like.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't like getting on a plane, but I'm out. I'm sitting there with what's going on. The big cheese, that guy flies 270 times a year, okay. And I'm like, get over yourself. That guy's on a plane. He's on a plane. So my take is the NFL guys. I mean, it just. You're constantly traveling every other weekend. It's brutal.

[Joel Klatt]

And you're kicking different time zones and.

[Colin Cowherd]

Bonds and you got parents and you got. You got grandma living in the basement. You got your. Your family. College guys are like having a good time, and then they travel four times a year.

[Joel Klatt]

I will say so. I know this for. For a fact when, when Ohio State went to Washington earlier this year. Now, they have a basis for this because they, they traveled out before the Rose bowl and the CFP just two days early. It wasn't like a true bowl game experience where they were out there for the entire week. So they treated it, you know, like, like the CFP and went out a day early. I know Michigan State has done that as well, but they used it actually as like a defining or a beneficial thing for their program. We're going to go out there and do something specific from a team building. You've got to take the. I don't even. The adversity, if you want to call it that. You got to take what's in front of you and look for ways to make it work for you. How is this advantageous for you?

[Colin Cowherd]

I think you have to spin it positively. It's like when you're traveling with your kids, you're like, you, you know, you tell your wife, hey, man, I love the airport. Whenever you're going to see grandma and you get in the car with your kids, what do you say?

[Joel Klatt]

Hey, guys, the food's gonna be great.

[Colin Cowherd]

Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, movies. It's gonna be so much fun. You don't go. It's gonna be a long drive. You literally. I asked Brett Musburger, one I don't.

[Joel Klatt]

Love when coaches put the seed in. In their players mind early in the week, and it's like, this is tough. We don't have this, we don't have that. You're giving them an out. You're giving them an experience. Excuse.

[Colin Cowherd]

Years ago, I did an event with. With Brett Musselburgh or must have been.

[Joel Klatt]

15 years ago, and we're looking live.

[Colin Cowherd]

And I'm like, how do you. You're like, in these small markets, how do you travel? How do you do It. And he goes, young man. I was like, 50, young man. I don't know where I'm going until Thursday. He's like, I don't, I don't know the next assignment. I just. One assignment in a time. And I'm like, that's a great way to look at travel.

[Joel Klatt]

Sure.

[Colin Cowherd]

So stop complaining because, oh, we got to fly to Seattle. You're not flying to Pasco. It's a big city with a big airport.

[Joel Klatt]

Well, I, I tend to agree and I think that the coaches. That don't make it a big deal. It doesn't become a big deal for their players.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, Penn State, we got to be honest about it. Here's the thing.

[Joel Klatt]

Okay?

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm going to, I'm going to tell. I'm going to name the top six programs in the country in terms of revenue, what you can pay coaching staffs.

[Joel Klatt]

Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

Your quality of recruiting. All right. Georgia, Ohio State, Texas. Boy, Notre Dame's good these days. I would say I would throw out lsu.

[Joel Klatt]

Lsu, probably Michigan, maybe Tennessee.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'll put Tennessee in and I don't know, Michigan's nil, but I'll say Michigan. So let's. That's top five.

[Joel Klatt]

Probably usc.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, right now with their nil. Yes. I'm going to bang on those programs. If you're seven and below. Oregon. Oregon. Because of Phil Knight's money. Oregon absolutely is a top.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, but they've got no recruiting.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, but they buy them. Who cares?

[Joel Klatt]

Region.

[Colin Cowherd]

Those days are over. Just go buy it.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, there's a reason they are Wisconsin. The difference is they have more uniforms and Phil Knight, okay, they're Oregon. They don't have any players.

[Joel Klatt]

So what's wrong with these programs?

[Colin Cowherd]

Nothing. But I'm going to hold those programs to a different standard. Then I'm going to hold Penn State.

[Joel Klatt]

And what are you giving them? An out.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm staying with Penn State.

[Joel Klatt]

You can't lose to own 4 UCLA. You can't give them an out.

[Colin Cowherd]

Day.

[Joel Klatt]

You can't give them an out. You can't give them an out. Like, what are we doing?

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm not giving them an out. I'm just saying I don't hold Penn State to Georgia standards or Ohio State standard.

[Joel Klatt]

I mean, requiring them to beat an own four team is not holding them to Georgia standard or Ohio State standard.

[Colin Cowherd]

Was not a good first half.

[Joel Klatt]

I mean, if you're holding them to those that standard, then you would require them to beat Oregon as the higher ranked and favored team at home in what is the most elite environment in college football. See, here's the. Here's the problem with what went on on Saturday is that they allowed Oregon to beat them twice. And what's going on right now at Penn State is that the. The match between what they're trying to do, schematically, really, on both side, specifically on the offensive side, doesn't fit what their players do best. They're running an offense, you know, for Tim Tebow and Drew Aller is back there, and it's like. Well, those. Those two things aren't the same thing. Running quarterback read, you know, power on fourth down with Drew Aller, with the game on the line is. Is probably not the best decision.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, UCLA was all over that. They were all over it.

[Joel Klatt]

It was a great defensive call on their part. You know, the. The wide receiver corps at Penn State has wildly underperformed over the last few years, and they've even changed out the wide receivers that have been there. Yeah, they don't get off of bump coverage. They don't run their routes hard. They don't provide clean pictures. You know, I made the argument on my show that what would. If I. What would I. What would you say if I told you that the best player in a Penn State uniform on Saturday in that loss was Drew Aller? He was. He was the only reason that they were in the game. The problem was, is that their scheme doesn't fit what he does best. And then he's got to all of a sudden escape and run for four or five first downs, which he did. But it's not who he is, and he does that, and he keeps them in the game, and then they don't allow him to do what he's best at. And that's what ultimately, James has got to figure that out. And James Franklin knows that, and he understands that they've got to get better immediately because they still have to go to Ohio State, they still have to host Indiana, and they're already sitting on two losses. So Saturday was one of those inexplicable things for Penn State. It cannot happen. And I don't think it's. It's holding them to too high a standard to say, like, those are games that not only are devastating that. That you lose, you cannot lose those games.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right. So for years, I think the NFL sort of looked down on college football.

[Joel Klatt]

Sure.

[Colin Cowherd]

Quality isn't very good.

[Joel Klatt]

And now they run all of their offenses.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, isn't that funny? But I think guys like Belichick are like Saturday football. So there is a little bit of college football. Looking at Belichick right now and going, oh, how's it going there, champ? I'll tell you this. I think college football coaches love that Belichick is doing a belly flop. This, this thing is a mess.

[Joel Klatt]

It doesn't look good.

[Colin Cowherd]

And they, what college football coaches have always said is we're dealing with 19 year olds.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

And their parents and donors and boosters and the goofy NCAA college football coaching. You don't get vacations. Well, no.

[Joel Klatt]

And it's also more of a CEO role than it is a head coaching role. It's, it's less about football than you would actually anticipate now, now some are great at both, you know, and I think Kirby's great at both. I think Ryan Day is great at both. I think Dan Landing is great. Chris Peterson was great at both.

[Colin Cowherd]

Unbelievable.

[Joel Klatt]

But you've got to be an executive and now more than anything, you got to wear all the hats. So for instance, you know, right after the season, you got to spend three days meeting with every single player and every single agent and talking about the revenue share, what lie of the, you know, line of the revenue share you're going to get. And I thought that because college football has become more transactional that it was actually a good time for Bill Belichick to get into college football. And while I still kind of agree with that and maybe this will turn out better going forward, but right now there's just not a cohesiveness and connection with what I see on the field and what I'm sure I'm, you know, he's being, is being said during meetings and everything connecting.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's a very gruff guy.

[Joel Klatt]

It's, it's not Charlie Weiss fail. But it's not just the NFL though. Let me just. Charlie Weiss wasn't great in college, although he had pockets of success.

[Colin Cowherd]

He was. And I, and I know Charlie and I like him. He was gruff.

[Joel Klatt]

But there are guys that are having success, you know, like, like Chip came back and had success with, with Ohio State. But like Jeff Halfley came to Ohio State and, and now he's in the NFL and done well. Think of those defensive oriented coaches that came from Baltimore to help out Harbaugh, like Mike McDonald who's now in Seattle and Jesse Mentor, who's now the coordinator dies though. Matt Patricia comes to the NFL and what is he doing? He's really succeeding with Ohio State, number one defense in the country. So I don't want to put like a blanket statement like, oh, the NFL guys, they come down here and they don't know how to work because some of them are doing it really, really well at North Carolina right now. It's just not connecting. There's no cohesiveness right now with what, you know, the message is and what you're seeing on the field.

[Colin Cowherd]

So the best two teams in the country, I don't think it's that difficult, are Ohio State 1, Oregon 2.

[Joel Klatt]

I think you have to put Miami in that conversation.

[Colin Cowherd]

3.

[Joel Klatt]

Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

They look the part. No SEC teams in that.

[Joel Klatt]

You know, the SEC this year is deeper than they have been in the past. That, you know, they, they had a run where they were so elite at the top, man. Like so elite at the top. I don't think that there's the great team in the SEC this year, but there's a lot of really good teams. The best team might be Texas A and M, might be Ole Miss. You know, I think that we're going to find out a lot about the SEC this weekend when Bama goes to Missouri.

[Colin Cowherd]

How about, how about this? Indiana. Go look at the spread. Indiana is going to play Oregon.

[Joel Klatt]

Not a, Not a big spread. I think it's what, four and a half?

[Colin Cowherd]

What does that tell you about Indiana?

[Joel Klatt]

I think Indiana is a really good team.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, clearly.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, I saw Illinois play. It'd be 50.

[Joel Klatt]

Let me put it to you this way. I get labeled a Big Ten guy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Indiana is the equivalent to me of a Missouri or an Ole Miss. Oh, at least Vegas is telling you.

[Joel Klatt]

At least. Yeah, there's no doubt.

[Colin Cowherd]

So Vegas is telling you if Ole Miss went to Oregon, it'd be a four point spread.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, that's absolutely right. Indiana would be just doing exactly the same. Indiana is just as good as Oklahoma or Ole Miss or Texas A and.

[Colin Cowherd]

M. Those guys went to Austin. What would the line be?

[Joel Klatt]

And by the way, for Indiana, if any of those teams went to Indiana, that team is incredible at home, you know, and, and there is. Listen, they're always going to get a little bit of a narrative bump down there. There's no doubt. But there's. There is no questioning the fact that at the top they're not qualified quite as good as what they have been. And they're deeper in the middle this year and who knows how that is all going to play out.

[Colin Cowherd]

Don't. Don't crush Indiana for the Notre Dame name last year. They have made a move. They're better than last year.

[Joel Klatt]

I think they are.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I think they are. They're. They're more explosive and I think they have more good players.

[Joel Klatt]

This will, this will tell us a lot about Indiana because this is a very difficult place to play against what I think is an elite college football team in Oregon. And Dan Lanning will have those guys ready to go. There's, there's no doubt about it, but I think Indiana is going to have a chance in that game.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's good seeing you.

[Joel Klatt]

It's great to see you. I know the travel is hard for you, but good to see you out here.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't want to complain about it. No, I don't.

[Joel Klatt]

Don't put that seed in the staff's head, you know.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I mean, these guys are spoiled.

[Joel Klatt]

Are they?

[Colin Cowherd]

We're like an indie band with a great budget. I mean, I'm just there, out there partying every night, having a good time. There's no structure to any of this except they all, you know, we have a big budget.

[Joel Klatt]

I tell you what, that's level five leadership, folks, right there. Just bang on the staff. You guys have it easy.

[Colin Cowherd]

When I show up now, you'll work hard for them. When I show up in the morning. I'm just praying I see cars. Half the time they're here, half the time they're not. I never know what's happening.

[Joel Klatt]

That's so good. It's great to see you, bud.

[Colin Cowherd]

Four baseball games today.

[Joel Klatt]

Oh, it's going to be great. Four baseball going to be great.

[Dr. J]

Yeah.

[Joel Klatt]

How about that? Yankees win. That was nice.

[Colin Cowherd]

They're not winning that series.

[Joel Klatt]

You don't think so?

[Colin Cowherd]

They're starting. Pitching is getting crushed.

[Joel Klatt]

I, I, I can see that. Toronto's a good team.

[Colin Cowherd]

Didn't you play minor league baseball?

[Joel Klatt]

I did for three seasons.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, who was the organization?

[Joel Klatt]

Padres. They dodged a bullet. I barely hit over the Mendoza Line. That was a quick exit back to college. Yeah, well, what are you going to do?

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Joel Klatt]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Joel Klatt]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Snax]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

You know what's amazing about this job? How many of you have gone to work, walked down the hallway and bumped into Derek Jeter. I'm literally walking out. I'm going to the bathroom. Walk out of the bathroom. Hey, jeez. What's up? What's going on, bud? I don't know. Maybe you're in your accounting office, you know, you used to bump into Elvis or something. But it's not very, very infrequent. I think most Americans come out of the bathroom at your workplace. You're walking to the studio is Derek Jeter. He's all fired up. So right after our show, four baseball games. It's probably the best baseball day of the year today. If you're a baseball fan, this will be as good as it gets. I you're going to have, I'm going to say Tigers even it up. I don't know about the Yankees. We'll see Tigers even it up. Milwaukee's a better team. Milwaukee's better than the Cubs.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

They're better run into Derek Jeter and you don't think it's a sign that here come the Yankees. You nothing. You're not putting that to together.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm not. Okay, JMAC with the news.

[Pluvicto Advertisement Voice]

No, no.

[Colin Cowherd]

Turn on the news.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

This is the Herdline news. All right, Thursday Night football, Giants Eagles. Colin Saquon Barkley has, as the kids like to say, low key. Dominated the New York giants last season. 176 yards and a touchdown. I mean he went off in that game in both games. And here's Dexter Lawrence talking about Saquon being a big time problem.

[Snax]

Could be a pleasure. Things teams, teams scheming for. It happens. But you know, you don't want to be the team to let them get hot. So you got to stay, stay disciplined.

[Joel Klatt]

Thursday and you know.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, it's a short week. It's a tough spot for a young quarterback in a short week to a cranky Eagles team off a loss.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Cranky.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's just a, it's a bad spot for the Giants.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Yeah, you know, like the phrase smoke and mirrors. I feel like that that was Jackson Dart against the Chargers. Right. He got took over inside the 10 yard line twice and they scored 10 points. He had a couple nice runs. Then reality hit when he turned it over. Five times in a row. The team did against the Saints five Eagles defense a little better than the Saints defense, you would agree. This feels like a body bag game. 30 to 10 Eagles.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't know if I'd go there. Philadelphia is going to win the game, but you got to remember Philadelphia, and this isn't a little thing. The Eagles are struggling offensive, but they.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Had that closed door meeting, players only meeting.

[Colin Cowherd]

You talked about that means nothing.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Oh really? I thought that was huge.

[Colin Cowherd]

If you, if you are, have a winning record and are having closed door meetings, what's, what's to have a closed door about?

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Well, probably.

[Joel Klatt]

Hey, A.J.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Brown, can you put a cork in it and stop complaining every week? Maybe one of those. I don't, I don't know. And A.J. we'll get you the ball just simmered down.

[Colin Cowherd]

Now they're throwing in the last four games to AJ Brown as much as Omaron St. Brown.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Exactly. So stop talking to the press about this nonsense. Stop reading books on the sideline and tweeting crap. Play football.

[Colin Cowherd]

They're giving him Justin Jefferson, Omaron St. Brown targets. Yeah.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

So I'm assuming it was the whole team. It was like a, what do they call that when like somebody's struggling and you bring in all the friends to like intervention. Maybe they had an intervention.

[Colin Cowherd]

It was three guys talking. Jalen Saquon and leaders.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

That's what leaders do. They step up and talk to the problem child. Get him in line. Saquon has done nothing this year, which I believe is a bit of a problem. Saquon kicked 3 yards of carry this season.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, he's getting hit immediately.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

So Landon Dickerson out.

[Colin Cowherd]

Sounds like new offensive coordinator in. Not great.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

All right, let's move on to more not great. And that's the Miami Dolphins. Just an epic disaster of a season. How about last week? I gave out the Panthers, and when the panthers were down 17, nothing. I was like, oh, that was a whiff. Carolina storms back, gets the win, and next thing you know, Mike McDaniel had a meeting with Dolphins owner Stephen Ross. McDaniel. Mike McDaniel talked to the media about how that meeting went.

[Colin Cowherd]

He was really frustrated at the. You know, just like he. As I was. And, you know, we talked about the challenge ahead to get ready for the Chargers, and that was kind of the extent of it.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

What happened to the cool Mike McDaniel? The one who was like, my south beach cool and was like, he's barely struggling to speak here.

[Colin Cowherd]

The last four times I have seen him at the podium, he's not the same guy, disheveled, wreck. He's not. He's just doesn't feel like. And by the way, is that what the players are seeing in team meetings? He. He does not have it. He has lost the vibe.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

You talked about meeting with the big bosses upstairs. Can you imagine if McDaniel was talking like that with the owner of the Dolphins, fumbling his words? He sounded like a guy who go. When you go to put air in your tires, he's like, can't speak. And it's like, whoa, Whoa, dude. Mike McDaniel. I think he's lost the plot here in Miami. It does not look good for him. Is he the first coach fired?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, last year we said Eber Fluss was on the hot seat, and he was, and then he got fired. And I think Mike McDaniel was the coach in the hot seat, and he is. And the truck. Be very careful about letting go. We know he's a great play designer and caller. We know he's smart. Be very careful about firing coaches, because what happens is interims come in, they'll. Here's what Miami's gonna do. If they move off McDaniel this year, they're gonna elevate the opposite of him. Somebody that's got more alpha, because that's what he doesn't have. So this is what they do. The pendulum swings too far. They'll bring in an alpha, and the alpha will get the players fired up, and they'll win some games, and everybody will Be like, that guy should be the head coach. I don't like interim coaches. Maybe for a game or two, but, you know, like, when you get the interim coach or it's Antonio Pierce and everybody's playing hard for him because he's an alpha and the players love him because he's a dog. He's an alpha. And you give that guy the head coaching job and you're like, yeah, that's not the guy. So my take is, you know, he's smart. You know, he's a good play caller. I would keep him because I think he's good for Tua. And TUA is the centerpiece of the franchise.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Yeah. Speaking of things not going well for head coach, his final story is the Arizona coach, Cardinals, unbelievably have fined Jonathan Gannon, their head coach, 100 large after he was seen making physical contact with running back and goat demarcado. I don't know how to say his first name.

[Joel Klatt]

Who.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Who botched the game for the Cardinals? Now, you can look at the video on screen here. Gannon. This, I think, was shot from some guy in the stands. Yeah, but you. Let's just talk about making contact. So it's that second swing that people are fired up about. But here's my thing. We hired Aaron Glenn with a boxing glove at practice, punching the ball out. Isn't that what Gannon's doing with that second swing? Hold on to the damn ball.

[Colin Cowherd]

Boo. But, you know, it's intense. It's timing, it's intent. I don't think you should touch players, but I also think you're better off cutting players. So would you rather a coach get mad at you or him cut you? So they didn't cut him? I. You know, I don't think this is the way to ingratiate yourself with young athletes. But I also think it's inexcusable what the player did. So to me, I would. I would dnp. I'm not playing the player.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Well, they're down to their third stringer, and their fourth stringer was, I think, on the jets, like, two years ago. Like, they're. It's bleak in Arizona. On principle, I cut him from my fantasy team. I was like, I can't even see your name anymore. That being said, Colin, the first bump here, isn't that one of these. Come on, man, get in the game. Like a tap to the chest. I don't find that to be $100,000. You've done that to me here on set when I screw up a read.

[Colin Cowherd]

Jma come on.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Like a little slap to the chest. I'm like, hey, yeah, I get it. I. I think physical.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think when you have a power dynamic of older man, younger person, you want to stay out of physicality.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Come on.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think you want to stay out of physical stuff. That's just my take as a shove.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

We've seen other coaches. I'm not going to get into it. Pull the video of Belichick and Reed and I'm not going to do that. I just think this was overblown, by the way.

[Colin Cowherd]

It may be overblown.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Gannon feels like a dead man walking cone. They are, by the way. Kyler Murray. How about this? Not practicing today.

[Colin Cowherd]

I thought the strangest part of this game after the fumble was the fact that Kyler Murray got hit in the head with a snap and didn't get touched and left the game.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

So they're saying he stepped wrong when he was, like, going for.

[Mandy Money]

I don't.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

I didn't see anything, but it was very weird. It was like almost. He was, like, embarrassed.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's what I thought. I thought he was embarrassed because I'm like. They showed the replay and I'm like, I don't understand how I got hurt. I got. Her feelings. Got hurt. I didn't see the.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

It's weird how quickly this team has gone downhill. Remember, they almost beat San Fran two weeks ago.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, you know why? Because every NFL team, Kansas City a couple weeks ago, was in crisis mode. When you go into crisis mode in any company, anybody listening there right now, who's ever run a company, small or big, go into crisis mode, what happens? You have to have an identity. Arizona has no identity. New England gave the game away, gave the game away to Pittsburgh. But in three weeks, they'd already created a resilience and an identity. They come back the following week. They're great. The first thing you have to do as a coach. What are we? Who are we?

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

So what are the Cardinals exactly? If you were giving them a branding.

[Colin Cowherd]

It'S that they don't have.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Is Kyler their identity?

[Colin Cowherd]

No. Yeah.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

He said two weeks ago, I don't know if I'm going to be here for the new facility that opens.

[Colin Cowherd]

So. So that's why Vrabel comes in. Harbaugh comes in. By the. By the. By camp. The Chargers are a more physical team. That's why when you hire a head coach in the NFL, it's not about getting the hipster, the smart. It's about somebody that can build an identity and a brand in Four to five weeks. That's what Harbaugh does. That's what Vrabel does. That's what Dan Campbell. It's not even winning. You don't have to win first year. You don't have to win. Mike McDaniel's been there four years. They have no identity. Gannon's problem is what are they? There is not there. So because every team in the league will hit crisis mode. It's the NFL, Brady's teams. You go back to the dynasty, they had two or three games where they're like, at Eddie. They had a three year, four year stretch, they won a playoff game like you. What are you.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

I got an idea. Why don't you and I start a crisis management company? I'll identify the crisis crises and you solve them. Because I think you just fixed the Cardinals. Gannon, listen up. Maybe you beat the Colts.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't think that company's gonna work that well. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. By the way, if the dolphins fired McDaniel and I wouldn't do it, I'd let the season play out. They would probably in the interim. Anthony Weaver, defensive coordinator, is a former player. He's kind of the opposite of him. So you bring him in. What if Anthony wins? Oh, let's give him the head coach, which I'm not against. If he is brilliant and he's a young, smart guy, I'm not against it. But what happens is players play hard. It's like the substitute teacher. Everybody loves the substitute teacher. Substitute teacher stays for about three or four weeks, nobody wants the teacher back. It's okay for a weekend, it's okay for a Friday, the teacher's sick. But three or four weeks, nobody wants the teacher back. So you have to be careful about the firing a coach, bringing an interim in for eight, nine weeks. You can get trapped. You can get trapped. Antonio Pierce with the Raiders. Josh McDaniel out early. Antonio Pierce, rah, rah. That's the guy. Was it the best guy? It was the guy in the moment. A lot of people in a moment are successful. A lot of quarterbacks who aren't very good have three week stretches when you're like, well, Jake Browning. So you'd be, oh, boy, a Jake Browning. And over the course of a season, Jake Browning can't make certain plays. And let's go get Joe Flacco. A lot of people in spots are good. Two, three weeks, temp, employee. There are people you know like, hey, the chef gets sick, the prep cook takes over for a night, too. You're like, darn good. Try running the restaurant. Friday, Saturday, 700 tables. It's a whole different ball game.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Cooper rushed with the Cowboys.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's right, Cooper. For four or five weeks. That's what I've said. If you, if you have a backup play for four weeks, can he win two? I mean, Mac Jones was a starter and made a Pro bowl, so he's better than your average backup. But this, this idea of, you know, these interim coaches, they get the energy of the team. Guys play over their skis, guys play.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

You know, free UCLA football. We just saw game at the best.

[Colin Cowherd]

Game in 10 years at UCLA.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

So you hire the guy, right?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, no. It may be that one of those guys, Jerry Newheisel and the other guy, maybe they are great. But the history of interim coaches, you get a certain energy that you can't duplicate over the long term. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Today's episode brought to you by a scent that's made a legendary comeback. Degree Original Cool Rush the OG is back and better than ever. Cool Rush isn't just a scent. It's a movement, a fan favorite kind of fragrance guys remember, ask for by name and rave about online. It's bold. It's fresh all day, sweat protection, cool, crisp vibe that made it legendary. So whether you're heading to the gym, the office, or just trying to stay fresh all day long, Cool Rush has your back. It's the go to for millions and for good reason. So if you haven't tried it yet or you've been waiting for a sign, this is it. Head to your local Walmart target grab. Degree Cool Rush, the fan favorite scent from the world's number one antiperspirant brand.

[Dr. J]

But the humility in knowing that life is this classroom that we should never graduate from is what is going to keep you growing. And that's all that matters. World Mental Health Day is around the corner. And on my podcast, just heal with Dr. J, I dive into what it really means to care for your mind, body and spirit. From breaking generational patterns to building emotional capacity, healing is a journey and wholeness is the destination. Destination.

[Mandy Money]

I'm gonna walk away feeling very healed and feeling like, yes, I'm gonna continue.

[Joel Klatt]

My healing journey and I. I'm gonna.

[Mandy Money]

Get some keys from you.

[Dr. J]

Listen to just heal with Dr. J from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mandy Money]

Hey sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance bro tell you how to manage your money again? Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem. A year from now when you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan starting with your local credit union. Shopping around online looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt and it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact it may get even worse. For more judgment free money advice, listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Snax]

What's up everybody? This is snacks from the Trap Nerds podcast and we're bringing you the horror every week all October long.

[Colin Cowherd]

Kicking off this month I'll be bringing you all my greatest fear inducing horror games from Resident Evil to Solid Hill. Me and Tony bringing Backfire team on left for dead 2 and we just gonna be going over some of the greats.

[Snax]

Also in October we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movie and figuring out why black people always gotta die first.

[Colin Cowherd]

The Umbral Reliquary invites any and all fool brave enough to peruse its mini curiosities. But take it all sales are final. Weekly horror side quests written and narrated by yours truly with a full episode read and a commentary special.

[Snax]

And we will cap it off with Horror Movie Battle Royale. Jason versus Freddy, Michael Myers versus the Alien Thing with the Little Tongue Monster. October. We're doing it Halloween style. Listen to the Traverse Podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Your broadcast Sunday on Fox. Dak and the Cowboys take on the Panthers or Matthew Stafford and the Rams battle the Ravens or other regional action. Check local listings for the game in your area Sunday on fox.

[Colin Cowherd]

By the way, our show at the end of this hour will be moving to the Fox Sports app for the final hour of our show, which by the way is fantastic. Four baseball games today. Tigers, Mariners, around the corner, week six NFL schedule. And my sixth sense of week six schedule in the NFL is that we could have some upsets this weekend. Keep your eye on the upsets.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

That was last weekend, boss. Let me guess, let me guess. Joe Flacco, who already beat the packers and was just aimed to starter for the Bengals faced the Packers. Is he going to beat the packers twice in one season? They're 15 point dogs at one shot.

[Colin Cowherd]

15. Why are the Broncos only favored by a touchdown over the Jets?

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Because it's in London and they're still celebrating the win over the Eagles.

[Colin Cowherd]

Just interesting.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Justin Fields running for his life, literally against Nick Bonito and company.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm going to give you a game and just yell out the team you think will win. Seahawks at the Jags.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

I was gonna bet the Jags this morning. I have not fired yet. A lot of people betting Seattle, people love the Seahawks. I don't know if this is you driving that bus, but nationally everybody's like oh, Seahawks. And then you say jags got lucky to beat the Chiefs.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm not driving the number, believe me.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

The platform, I'll Repeat from your first.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. Detroit @ Kansas City.

[Joel Klatt]

I like the Lions.

[Colin Cowherd]

This one's interesting. Chicago at Washington.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Give me Jaden Daniels. By the way, do you like the doubleheader on Monday Night Football?

[Colin Cowherd]

The actually good quarterbacks finally can't stand it.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Yeah, but we get Allen Penix, Caleb and Jaden.

[Colin Cowherd]

Wouldn't it be better if the Bears if Caleb and Jaden Daniels were meeting in the late window? Because Bengals at Green Bay, not that interesting.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

I Micah Parsons off a buy, I think.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'll tell you this. San Francisco at Tampa. That is fun.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

That's a good game. Well, we don't know what time out. We don't know who's starting anywhere for the Niners.

[Colin Cowherd]

It doesn't matter. Back receiver Mac Jones is as good as Brock Purdy this morning because Brock Purdy's not at 100%.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Interim coach. Interim quarterback. Is this a big apply here?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, it doesn't. Mac Jones, who's he?

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Who's he? QB1 for next year.

[Colin Cowherd]

Mac Jones.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Can the Niners flip him for like a third?

[Colin Cowherd]

If I was Cincinnati, I'd go get him.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

You got Joe Burrow.

[Colin Cowherd]

How many weeks Glass Joe.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Moving on.

[Colin Cowherd]

Kevin Burkhart. The fellas gonna crush it. You should see their room.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Oh my God.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Joel Klatt]

6Am Make a new hire or promote internally. Celebrate a win with the toast at the gate or unwind at the lounge.

[Colin Cowherd]

Big props to this team.

[Joel Klatt]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Joel Klatt]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Snax]

What's up everybody? It's snacks from the Trap Nerds All October loan. We're bringing you the Horror Boogity boogity boo.

[Joel Klatt]

We kicking off this month with some.

[Colin Cowherd]

Of my best horror games to keep you terrified.

[Snax]

Then we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figuring out why black people always die first.

[Colin Cowherd]

And it's the return of Tony's horror show Side Quest, written and narrated by yours truly. We'll also be doing a full episode reading with commentary, and we'll cap it.

[Snax]

Off with a Horror Movie Battle Royale. Open your free I Heart Radio app and search Trap Nerds Podcast and listen now.

[Mandy Money]

This is an iHeart podcast.