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THE HERD - Hour 2 - The top of the AFC East, Drake Maye and the Patriots might be closer than you think, Julian Edelman
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Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific on Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back. Hour two. You know, I was thinking about this. One of the secret strengths of the NFL is that you're not allowed to play in the NFL until after, after you've completed that third year of college. And most guys commit to four years of college before playing in the NFL. What does that mean? You come in a man, not a kid. You come in ready to produce. You are physically ready, emotionally ready. Many football players come in married, some have a kid, but kids are on the way. You know, in baseball you get drafted, you're not even Bryce Harper. You go to the minors, you know, even the all time great prospects. You're not starting the next day for the Yankees and driving in 100 runs. You go to basketball, you're drafting like 18, 19, 20 year old kids. Your WEMBY is in year three now, they've injuries, minute restrictions. Don't start him off the bench. I mean Lebron's like one of one that could be productive year one and powerful. But in the NFL, you bring a quarterback in like Bo Nix with 61 college starts, he's a grownup, it's like oh yeah, we don't miss Russell Wilson. The cap hit. Doesn't really matter as long as you get the coach right. And so I think that the, the NFL is a league of hope. You can go from awful New England last year to excellent New England this year. Nine months commanders did it, got the quarterback right, right. You can't do that in other sports. Nobody is. The Wizards are not magically going to win the NBA finals next year. Even Oklahoma City. It's taken years of smart drafting and growth and development and now it looks like they could be a dynasty. So I saw this story yesterday and I don't think this is good. The NFL has always been the league of hope. The bottom's been small, but even the bottom teams, you feel like, you know, we are a quarterback away. USC starting quarterback Jaden Mava, 6, 4, 2, 30. Accurate, coachable. He's going to stay at USC. Nil money. Dante Moore at Oregon may do the same. Six, four, two, three. You think you draft him late first, early second with Arizona. Arizona Cardinal fans wouldn't be all hyped up. So when you look at the top of the draft order, five of 11 teams, Miami Jets, Arizona, Cleveland, Vegas, half the draft, the quarterback. Absolutely. There may be only one quarterback coming out of note. I don't know what the Saints are going to do with Tyler Shuck. No idea. Because if you draft a college quarterback in that first or second round, he's cheap for four or five years. You can stack the roster and that doesn't mean you're great, but you're optimistic and you're hopeful. A great example is the New York Giants Giants draft. Jackson dart. They're 2 and 12, but Giant fans are like, we got our guy, number one pick, trade down, get six picks yet Arizona's got another win. They're 3 and 11, but it's Kyler Murray and Jacoby Brissette hopeless. They actually have another win over the Giants. They're viewed as hopeless. And the strength of the NFL has always been selling optimistically. You're just an inch away. You can't sell that in baseball. Nobody in Pittsburgh thinks you're an inch away from beating the Dodgers. You can't do it in the NBA. No reasonable fan thinks the Wizards are close. But Chicago's a train wreck last year and now could win the Super Bowl. Same quarterback, just a better coach. And I think the nil at the schools like Ohio State, usc, Oregon, maybe in Alabama that can pay the big money. At Tennessee could pay the big money and keep a guy in. And now you could say, well, next year that means it'll be a great quarterback class next year. You don't know that. We all thought Cabe Kodnick was going to be an unbelievable player or Nussmeier at LSU was going to be an unbelievable player. You don't know. We all thought Arch Manning was one and done, right? He was going to big game Ohio State, win 10 games. No, he's coming back too. So I've noticed this in the NFL. Start looking at the draft order right now. Most of those teams outside of the team that gets Mendoza from Indiana, what are you selling to your fans? If Dante Moore came out, the Raiders could say, hey baby, it is a could stack their roster. Otherwise it's another year with Gino. What are you going to do? Or if Jordan Jaden Mayava comes out, you look down there with the Dolphins and you're like, yeah, we got little Tua. We just got a six four, 230 pound guy from USC, whether he's good or not. You can put butts in the seats with that optimism. So the nil, this Jaden Mayava. Keep your. If Dante Moore is like, I'm standing Oregon. Whoa. We. We got one first round quarterback off a terrible quarterback class last year. So look at the bottom of the NFL right now. That one o' clock window is unwatchable by about week 12. You're like, you're just praying they put. And now they're moving games to Saturday. You're like, oh, yikes. Now the 1 o' clock window is worse. So I think the NFL's always been able to sell hope more than any other league. Nil is a bit of a pain in the butt, at least short term for the NFL. With that, Julian Edelman is now going to join us live. Three rings, super bowl mvp. All right, my man, he's in his studio. He's got that podcast, games with names. Look at him. All right, so I made the argument that the game Buffalo beat New England, it was a bigger game for Buffalo. It mattered more for Buffalo. There was a psychology to it. If Drake May and Vrabel come in and beat you twice, that. That sticks in the locker room. That sticks. So I don't think less of the Patriots losing. I still think they're kind of looking for about four more draft picks that can help their own line. How do you view it? As a former Patriot, I view it.
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Jillian Michaels
That they're not there yet. Still a young team, something that we used to hear all the time. Can't win until you keep from losing. And the second half was an example of that. Look, they start out on fire, go up 24, three, have a great game plan, but you got to play your best football at the end of the game, at the end of the season, which they haven't done there.
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Colin Cowherd
They.
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Jillian Michaels
They've got this defense where they. You kind of anticipate they're trying to be a bend but don't break team. But you can only do that if you're good in the red area. And they're 75% giving up touchdowns in the red area, which is last, which I anticipate they'll clean that up when they get Milton Williams back. You know, the offense kind of ran out of plays at the end of it. Had a great game plan going into the beginning of the game, but once again, you're out. Your left tackle, Campbell, you're out. Wilson, your left guard. How many plays can you come up with in the second half after they're starting to adjust to the adjustments. So young team and I think this can be a good thing for them. Look, it's hard to win in this, in this league. You know, they just rattled off a ten game winning streak. That's insanely impressive. It's good to kind of maybe recalibrate your brain and your in your week of work going into these last three, four weeks because now this is the time where you have to play your best football. So I anticipate when they get their guys back on the offensive line, Milt Williams on the defense, they're going to get better splain. That playing was probably a huge problem because he's a huge spy for Josh Allen that could have been used. So I think this was really good for them. But when I my initial reaction, they're not there yet.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, we think because the NFL locker room is so big, offense over there, defense over there, kickers over there, you're separated. That if you had a guy that was an ego or a diva, it you could hide him. But Seattle moved off DK Metcalf, they thought he was a bit maintenance. JSN was kind of considered, you know, more low key, more team, more team guy and cheaper. And so George Pickens, Mike Tomlin, who's very patient, moves off and he goes to Dallas, he crushes. Now he's in a three game stretch where he's pouting, he and Dak don't work. And you take me into a locker room. Can one sort of, and I don't hate the word diva, but one kind of moody star player can it really literally disrupt on the plane locker room? Is it that disruptive?
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Jillian Michaels
Depends on your leadership of your team. I was at a place where that stuff didn't happen. If those guys, if guys were going to come into the locker room and be a holes and divas, they weren't there very long and. And then you know, they look at the best player on the team, the highest paid player on the team, Tom Brady, who works his tail off, who gets coached hard, who does all the little things before, after and during practice. Like you can't do that. You can't fool a team and have a guy think he can come in and act a certain way. When your best players on your team don't act that way. So you know, when you have a great group of leaders that everyone believes in that have won, I don't think those things happen. So I don't know. Did I answer your question there? Was that.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. No. I think it's just like if you have a strong family, you know, and one kid is, you know, I think the foundational part of the best teams in this league. You've got a non meddling owner, a very strong front office and a, usually a coach who doesn't put up with a lot of crap. You can overcome a lot if you have those three things in order. Is that right?
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Jillian Michaels
That is right. You need to have those three things in order. And if, if you don't, you're just going to run into a bunch of problems and it's going to become a distraction. Now, you know, in, in Dallas, they handle distractions. They love those distractions. And so maybe they like that. But I think, I think he assigned Pickens for the right number. But ultimately those were eye opening moments because everyone balls at the beginning of the year, right? That's, that's, you know, you kind of have a head start on defenses. They don't have a beat on you. There's not enough film. And you know, the great players that I always played with, they always played their best football after Thanksgiving going into the playoffs. You make your, they would always say you make your, you make your money in the regular season, you make your name in that postseason. So look, if things are, if stuff is hitting the fan and you're pouty outy, like, do you want to deal with that going forward when someone's getting a lot more money?
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Colin Cowherd
So I'm watching the te. I said, I think the dark horse team to win it all is Houston. Their offense is a little inconsistent, but their defense is so good. You can see quarterbacks, they held Stafford and the Rams and their all Star offense to 14 points. Take me to the best defense that you ever, you ever played. And it may have been a Ravens defense. Go to the best defense in your career. Is it scheme, is it talent? And take me to what it was like to play against. I mean, some of those Ravens teams had like six, six guys you could argue that had hall of Fame talent.
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Jillian Michaels
Yeah. I remember anytime we would play the Ravens, you know, we, we would be leading the league or in top five in offense, top five and, and running top five and everything. And I remember Josh McDaniels coming into the team meeting. You know, the offensive means, hey guys, I know we've been running the ball very well right now, but we're not going to run the ball at all against these guys because they will stop it. So we had to literally change our complete game plan when we would play a team like that because a, they were all on the same page B. They had superstar players on pretty much all levels. And see, they, like, knew us, you know what I mean? And they studied hard and they were. It's just one of those things when you have. We have superstar players that study their tail off. I can remember, like, Ray Lewis calling out our play before we were running it because of our formation. So, like, yeah, this team does give me, you know, going back to the Houston Texans, they give me that vibe of, like those. Those Giants teams that got hot at the end of the year because those Giants teams always had really good defenses that kept him in those games. And then Eli. And offense would be kind of up and down. And C.J. straub, like, if he can get going, we've seen it and he's been playing a lot better the last couple weeks with Kaylee as their offensive coordinator. If they can get things going, they're definitely. That's a scary team. That's a very scary. Like, people don't realize we talk about their defensive line so much. In their linebackers, Lassiter and Stingley, they make those guys so much better because they're sticky in that coverage. Like, they got. They got premier players on all levels and multiples on all levels.
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Colin Cowherd
So you played with a quarterback where you had an incredibly high ceiling. Who didn't throw picks? Darnold, you get the ceiling, you get the picks. Peyton Manning, by the way, from 98 to 2015, led the NFL in picks. Seven of the top 11 interception quarterbacks this year are like, Allen Mahomes, Bo Nicks, you know, they're like great quarterbacks. So I'm a Darnold fan. He throws a lot of picks. I loved Andrew Luck. He threw a lot of picks. When you were in New England, were they always viewed as a negative or did Belichick? Was there ever in Josh McDaniels? Eight guys push the ball down the field. Now, you probably didn't have to tell Tom that. I don't look at, like, to me, interceptions are where they're thrown. Bo Nix, when trailing this year, has 16 touchdowns and one picks, one pick, he throws them early, not late. How do you view interceptions? What does it do psychologically? What does it do to an offense?
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Jillian Michaels
I view interceptions like, look, we.
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Colin Cowherd
We were.
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Jillian Michaels
We were taught that everything was about turnover, margin. If you don't turn the ball over and you get a takeaway, you're going to win. Like, we'd have all the numbers, 86% this, you get a block. Like, so we were all about the ball. And there would Be times where we were, we were really too methodical to nickel, dime, nickel, dime. And we, we would have to go in the game plan and say hey guys, we need to take some shots. Because then everyone condenses down with interceptions and quarterbacks. I think it's a situational thing. By no means in the red area or on first down in the red area. If you throw a pick that is never acceptable. You know, we never threw picks. Tom wasn't a pick guy. And you named a lot of great quarterbacks, but a lot of those great quarterbacks haven't won Super Bowls yet. Guys that take care of the football in. No, seriously, you take care of the football in the playoffs. That's, that's how you win. And it all comes down to the situational play. So yeah, it's a, it's a double edged sword. You got guys that are trying to push the ball downfield. Situationally it's third and long. You're, you know, you're, you're in the, the fringe like or you're in that no man's land where you can't punt this, that, that's when you should try it. But by no means am I a fan of a quarterback that throws a lot of picks. That's just, that's how I was indoctrinated from the, the team I was at that there was nothing more important than ball security. And that was on all facets. The quarterback throwing, you running the ball, lineman blocking. Because if they let a guy free and we get a sack fumble, that's their, like nothing was more important than the ball.
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Colin Cowherd
Finally, here's my super bowl bubble. I do it. I always have about seven teams that I think can make the Super Bowl. It doesn't mean win it, but they can make the Super Bowl. And then I always have two or three that have a fatal flaw. So three teams I think are really good but have a fatal flaw. One San Francisco. Defensively, it's smoke and mirrors. They're not good enough. Chargers o lines a mess. They'll get both tackles back next year. And I don't think Philadelphia's offensive staff, the, the offense has been broken for 15 straight weeks. I don't think it's going to be solved. When you see my super bowl bubble, Rams, Seahawks, Denver, you. So nothing here bothers you?
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Jillian Michaels
Nothing here bothers me. The Chargers, like, it's been super impressive with them, but they, you, you cannot have an offensive. No offensive line. Guys off the street blocking for Justin Herbert. This guy's got, I always like Joke on Fox kickoff that I love big men on as a quarterback, but they get hurt too. Look at this guy's got a broken hand. He can only hit. Take so many hits. You look at, you know, the Niners, they just, I don't think they have the guys on defense, but they've been proving me wrong all year. And then with everyone in the middle, I, I agree, I agree that the Bears could be a little, maybe in, out. They do take the ball away on defense, but they have jarring holes there and. Yeah, and, and can they. Is there going to be a situation where it's a must pass situation on a third and medium to third and long? Can they make that play without. You know, we haven't really seen that. They've been dominating teams with their run game, setting up their play action and they have a coach that knows how to call plays and protect their team. So, you know, they're kind of on that verge to me and then everyone else, you know, the Patriots, how are they going to react to this big loss that they had? Are they going to be the same team that we've seen of the last few, you know, last 10 weeks going into the, you know, the, the heat of the season where it's the hardest to play? So I, I agree a lot with all your super bowl bubble teams. Rams, you know that I think Seattle should be a little more out. Yeah, I'm still scared of Sam Darnold. Like the last time he played against the Rams. I know he's got a big game tomorrow. You know, he threw four picks. He, you know, you played another, you know, big night game and he had, he didn't play his best. And then, you know, he hasn't been playing his best last couple of weeks. He's playing a team he threw four picks on. You know, we'll see how that goes. So this is the biggest year, I think, for parody. And the teams right now that scares me the most is probably, is probably Buffalo just because of that performance last night and McDermott situationally, if Matt Milano and his defense is healthy, like they'll give up a lot of runs. And I told, I pushed the panic button on these guys at week four about this, but Josh Allen, they, they've given up like 30 points four times and they want their four known those games, like it's pretty crazy. And the Rams, the Rams kind of scare me a little bit with the, you know, how are they going to react when they get punched in the face? Because they really haven't been punched in the face that much this year.
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Colin Cowherd
They're also a little, little shaky on the back end. They're not great at corner. They were supposed to corners. Yeah. They didn't draft the corner last year, which surprised everybody, and now they're in. You know, you hope Emanuel Forbes kind of works out, but they're not there. You can, they've been exposed at corner multiple times this year.
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Jillian Michaels
They just have to play the game the right way, which most of these teams are built that way. They, they're built all to play from ahead so that their defenses can scheme up their coverage and scheme up some games and blitzes. A lot of these teams are all built where like, they're trying to get that lead first and that's when they can open up their defenses. As always, call it a front running team.
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Colin Cowherd
Great seeing you. By Jillian Edelman, FOX Sports Good to see you guys. All right. Yeah, I think the super bowl bubble, you know, it's, it's Houston was a team I didn't have in a month ago. And then you just keep watching over and over and over and over and you're like, that defense is the best unit in the sport. There's no unit. Just, I mean, first of all, Bullock, they're so long. I said this about a month ago, turn the sound down and watch the Seahawks. And the Texans don't, don't have any bias or any confirmation bias from announcers or just watch them. I say this all the time. When I used to be in local tv, there was a news director I work with and he said when he looked over 400 tapes, he goes, the first thing I would do is turn around. I would listen to the tape and not watch the person. I didn't want to be persuaded by attraction. Like, do you sound good? Do I trust your voice? And I've always used that with football. Sometimes turn the sound on, watch a team. Oh, Darnold throws a lot of picks and you watch the Seahawks with the sound down, you're like, God, it's the fastest roster in the league. Texans defense feels like that. It just, there's no holes, there's no openings. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, is Cabino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio. Now, in addition to hearing us live weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2.
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Jillian Michaels
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JMAC
All right, Kyle, let's get started with the the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones. You know, we talked about soft tanking earlier, my Jets. You mentioned Miami, Washington. A lot of people are starting to bench their stars, right? Well, Dallas has a 1% chance to make the playoffs. They need to win out and the Eagles need to lose out. Obviously, that's not happening. With three games left, Jerry Jones talked about the potential of Benching Dak & Co. For, for a better draft.
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Jillian Michaels
Spot. Win is very, very important in the.
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Colin Cowherd
NFL. And a win is important to me. And a win does a lot of positive things. I don't care when it.
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Jillian Michaels
Happens. And we've got. We owe it to that mirror.
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Colin Cowherd
And we owe it certainly to our.
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Jillian Michaels
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Colin Cowherd
Competitive. We will will not try for a draft position. We won't be looking at anything like that. We'll be out there playing football and we'll bring them to play. Well, yeah, I think Dallas is. If you look at Their remaining schedule. You can't ask Dak to tank. And you also don't want to rest starters so Dak gets hurt. The truth is Dallas could win all three of these games or probably could lose two of them. So I, I think Dallas gonna be fine. Dallas gonna win seven games and probably go, you know, seven, nine and one, you know, and I, so I don't think for them, I don't work. They have two first round picks. It doesn't matter if one's a six and one's, they have two first round picks, they're fine. They can manipulate those into other picks. What you in Rams have two first round picks. Cleveland has two first round picks. If you're Miami and you've got one and you need a quarterback, Dallas doesn't, the Rams don't. So if you're Miami, that one pick becomes really crucial that you get to six or seventh, not 11th or 12th. That's different. Dallas is fine. Two first round picks can become extra fourth and fifth round.
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JMAC
Picks. I don't know. I was listening closely to Jerry. He sounds like he essentially was doing that interview in the middle of like sitting on his front porch and yelling at kids to get off his lawn. I mean, what is he talking about? Hey, we gotta look ourselves in the mirror. We owe it to. What are you talking about? You haven't been to an NFC championship game in, I don't know, what, 30 years. Wake up, Jerry. If you get eliminated, sit your starters, start playing the young guys, see who's going to make the roster next.
- [32:06]
Colin Cowherd
Year. Well, and do that like you, you, the O line is already young. Like, I don't want Dak to get hurt. I, I, I to me. And also Dax healthy and there is some value. Again, I don't think the Cowboys draft position doesn't, is not, they're not drafting a quarterback. They need an edge rusher. There's six, they need a tackle, there's three in the first round. They're gonna get a tackle, they're gonna get an edge rusher. They may get a corner. I, I, I'm not worried about Dallas going forward. Draft.
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JMAC
Picks. Yeah, I, I don't know, man. I know they've had a good run at draft picks in the first round, really good ones. But you're not winning. I just don't see the point. I don't want to get Dak hurt for sure. All right, next story. Colin. It's obviously Thursday Night Football, the biggest game of the week. Rams traveling north to Seattle for the number one seed in the NFC and winning the division on the line. Obviously all eyes are on Devonte Adams, who had that hamstring injury. After the game, McVeigh said he was optimistic about Devonte's status. Here's what he had to.
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Colin Cowherd
Say. It's the hamstring like we saw, you know, the two guys that'll be DNPs that, you know we're going to give them every chance that they've got would be, you know, Devonte with the hamstring and Fisk, you know, came out of the game with a little bit of soreness in his ankle. We'll take it all the way.
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Jillian Michaels
Up to game time and see where they're.
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Colin Cowherd
At. So at this point, you're not ruling devonte out? I'm not ruling anyone out. There's. They are. They have an embarrassment of riches. They really do. They're, they're, they're, they're fine. That if you watch them, Houston's defense and the Rams offense, those are about the best units in the.
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JMAC
League. So I was looking into my, my good puka source who gave me the puka is going to be a star on the Rams. My person is saying that devonte is a long shot to play. They did just get two two Atwell back last week. They activated him. So they've got guys I don't think they force Adams. Dude, you don't want to re injure the hamstring. Then you jeopardize January when it matters more. I think the Rams can win without devonte. Colin, I will tell you an injury that's not being talked about. Seattle's left tackle, Charles Cross, excellent player. DNP at practice, got injured last week. That is a significant injury. Nobody's talking about this. Rams pressure got to Darnold in the last meeting. He was flustered. Bunch of picks. You want me to give you my bet on this game or wait another.
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Colin Cowherd
Day? No, no. Yeah. What do.
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JMAC
You. I'm on the first half under. We talked yesterday about Seattle slow starts the last three games and I look at this Rams defense. Neither coach is going to want to make a mistake. I don't think we're going to see a lot of downfield stuff. First half under for me in Ram Seattle. I think we see a low scoring chess match, if you will. This is not going to be a shootout on Thursday.
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Colin Cowherd
Night. How are you doing with your bookie this year? How are you.
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JMAC
Doing? I don't. You never know who's listening. So I don't want to address that. But it's been A very good season. Not as good as college football, but it's been a good season. Move on to the third story. Let's go to college football. I don't have anything on this one, but this is a good, good rematch. It's Alabama, Oklahoma, the lines around. Pick them. Or one, depending on what you're looking at. One interesting subplot is Kalyn DeBoor. A lot of people are linking him to the Michigan job. And Kaylin DeBoer obviously, kind of sort of shot those down this week. But according to DeBoer, all these rumors, they have not had an impact on the Alabama locker.
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Jillian Michaels
Room. My guys, if there's been any.
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JMAC
Distraction, I haven't seen it, haven't felt.
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Colin Cowherd
It. And so I'm really proud of the way they've handled whatever noise is out there. And again, we've probably all seasoned long have dealt with enough noise to where it would. Doesn't surprise me on how they handle.
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Sophie Cunningham
This.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Who do you like in that game? I. It's last year they played and Oklahoma blew their doors.
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JMAC
Off. Well, wait. Oh, last.
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Jillian Michaels
Year.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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JMAC
Yeah. So they played like a month ago. And Oklahoma did win. But if you look at the box score and I watched like the condensed highlights on YouTube, Alabama moved all over the field. They had like 200 more.
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Sophie Cunningham
Yards.
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JMAC
Colin. The problem was interceptions and turnovers, and that's what gave Alabama the.
- [36:10]
Colin Cowherd
Win. Alabama has no. No run.
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JMAC
Game. So that's the thing. There's no injury reports, really, in college football. So Alabama's running back, the kid, I think Jam Miller is his name. He had an injury and missed the Georgia game, and they had negative 3 yards rushing. Is he coming back? I don't know. There's no injury reports, so you're kind of flying blind. Blind here. Part of me maybe just watches. I know that's not as fun. I. I don't. I would lean out. You know, I'm a Ty Simpson guy. You know, we kind of. We kind of pick our guys. I like Ty Simpson a lot, man. He did not look good against Georgia. He gets a chance for redemption. I would lean Alabama here.
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Colin Cowherd
You? I think so. I really like Kaylin DeBoer as a coach. I.
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JMAC
Just. Awesome. And nobody remember. Sorry. Nobody likes to bet on teams they just saw get their butts kicked. So the public is gravitating toward Oklahoma, who already beat them and Alabama just looked like crap two weeks.
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Colin Cowherd
Ago. You know what? I think the best bet in the College Football Playoff is JMU against ORI Texas Tech to win it all. Oh, they, they're going to be able to use in every single game. Nobody believes in us. Nobody's talking about us. Young players, young athletes, young human beings are much more emotional than older players. Texas Tech to win it all. I like that because they've got several NFL guys. They went and bought them. The coach is good. No, but they're rested, they're healthy. Texas Tech to win it all. And because it's the one really good team we give no chance to. Because we've only seen them play BYU a couple of times and by.
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JMAC
BYU was okay, so, so interesting. So we know Alabama has, we know their weaknesses. Oklahoma quarterback, offense. And they've been up and down. Tell me Ohio State, what Like we love the defense. I don't know that I trust the quarterback. We saw him in two huge.
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Colin Cowherd
Days. I do, I.
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JMAC
Do. Colin, Texas and Indiana, how'd the offense do in those games? Not great. I mean he's a young kid. And then you look at Indiana and you think like okay, Indiana. But Texas Tech does not have an obvious weakness. They're one loss to Arizona State. They didn't have their quarterback. So I don't, I, I think you could be on to something with Texas.
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Colin Cowherd
Tech. More Red Raiders plus 800 to win it all. That's the bet. That's.
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JMAC
The. Is it 800? Oh, okay, now you're speaking my language, my.
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Colin Cowherd
Friend. All right. Jmac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks.
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Jillian Michaels
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Fox. You know, we were talking about an hour ago about how the warriors owner, Joe Lacob, a email, a private email leaked. A fan emailed him, said, I'm really frustrated with this team. And Joe Lacob came out and said, you think you're frustrated. And it wasn't. It wasn't a subtle shot at Steve Kerr, but it was sort of saying it's really complicated. And so it's interesting and it's instructive. I think the Kansas City Chiefs right now have to some degree a Golden State Warrior issue is that I said the warriors have become a conditional team, a circumstantial team. They'll acquire you if you can play with Steph. Well, young guys can't. Kansas City, are they willing to acknowledge this version of the dynasty is over? We need a rebuild. So the warriors held on to Clay way too long. They should have blown it up three years ago. Could argue four right after that Celtic win. Blow it up. They didn't do it. And I said this a couple weeks ago. Who is the Kansas City Chiefs 4th best player? We put this up. Now you know, Mahomes is one. Creed Humphrey, Trent McDuffie. Trey Smith, the offensive lineman who had kind of a down year. George Carloftis. He is a big cap hit next year. I think he's a little overpaid, but I understand why they got him. Compare that to an elite roster. The Rams. Look at the Rams. Okay, if you look at the who The Rams top 10 players are, I don't have Braden Frisk on that list. Fisk. Excuse me. I have Byron Young, ninth. He's got 11 sacks. I don't have. I mean think about that. Puna ford being the 8th best player on any team has had a great year. I'm not counting Blake Corum who was popped. Fisk, who is very good. Young is ninth. Nate Landman at 10 has been a revelation. Like nobody knew who he was in Atlantic. He has been a revelation. That's an elite roster. I don't know who the fourth best player is on Kenzie Chiefs. I'm not blaming anybody. Rasheed Rice is certainly talented, but really immature. Xavier Worthy, Gadget guy. Offensive tackles. I, I think the left tackle from Ohio State could be special. This is not a knock on anybody, but if you start looking at Philadelphia's roster and you start looking at the Lions roster and the Rams roster, you're leaving people out of your top 10 who would start for every team in the league. Every single team. So I think Kansas City has to accept blow it up a little bit and, and that and then. And it. Listen, the one thing I'll say is when they moved off Tyreek Hill, they actually did fine. But the hardest position in pro football to draft and it's ironic because it has the most talent is wide receiver. It busts more than any first round position. Offensive line bust the least, receivers bust the most. Why? Personality. Not a lot of old linemen have big personalities, big egos. Receivers do. And so you get a lot of guys in and they're just not team guys. They're. They're me guy over we guy. And so Kansas City's had a draft because Tyree kills not around. They've had to take a lot of draft capital and draft wide receivers. And I think some have hit Sky Moore didn't. Rasheed Rice is. Don't trust him, but he's good. So it's. I just think Kansas City's where the Warriors Were. And the warriors after that Celtics championship should have just said, guys, this is it. Like, we got to make. We got to blow it up. Remember that one against the Celtics? They were in trouble. They go to Boston and Tatum and Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, still young, kind of shocked everybody. They go to Boston, they beat the Celtics on the east coast, and you're like, damn, they're going to win another that day. Flying after that championship, Joe Lacos, Steve Kerr, at the time, they had a different gm. I think you have to start over. But the warriors have become conditional, circumstantial. We're not moving off staff and we're not moving off Draymond. Well, then you're just an old team that can't score in the fast break. And in the west, forget it. You're not viable in the East. You could maybe play your way with curse coaching and the. And the experience, you could play your way into a conference championship. Maybe. Probably wouldn't be the Knicks. But I mean, Bob Meyer, great guy, the GM, man. It's Mike Dunleavy Jr. Now. But Mike, Bob Meyer knew it was over. He was the smart one. He left. He's like, I don't want to be part of a staff. Draymond Clay explosion.
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Sophie Cunningham
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Colin Cowherd
Out. He got out of the building. And Steve Kerr, in regards to that email, a private email from Joe Lakob. Well, we're all frustrated. You know, Joe is frustrated, I'm frustrated. Stephen Dre, everybody's frustrated. And this is, you know, kind of how the league works. And, you know, I hate when.
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Colin Cowherd
Emails. Like, I mean, imagine if everyone's emails were just publicly.
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Jillian Michaels
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Colin Cowherd
Live. Live our lives. Yeah, I mean, there are 500 team 13, 14 or 14 and 13 fast break points. Kaminga three straight do not plays. I think that's where Kansas City's at. I keep asking people retool or rebuild. And this is not a criticism. Criticism of. I think they have a great gm is I. You start looking at the Rams roster, the Lions roster, the Eagles roster. You know, you may have to part. I would never part with a great center. I think those are the most underrated players in the league. I. You may have to move Trent McDuffie, who I think is excellent, but can you get trade McDuffie in a couple of seconds? I mean, he. He is. By the way, I think the. The Rams would take that call. He played at Washington. West coast kid. Trent McDuffie's excellent, but they've moved off corners before and it didn't. You know, it didn't. Wasn't that punitive. But I. I guess you and I agree on this, is that they're not just Mahomes getting healthy away. They have averaged. They're like 16th in the league the last three years with Andy Reid in scoring. Okay, so you have the smartest play designer of my life outside of Bill Walsh, maybe. And you're middle of the pack in a league where half the teams have horrible.
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JMAC
Yeah. There's a saying. Hard choices, easy life. Easy choices, hard life. It applies to like everything. If the Chiefs do like what you said and do what the warriors did, well, we. We can't part with Clay. He's our guy. We gotta. We gotta pay Draymond. We got. They're going to have a really difficult stretch ahead. And I think you're onto something with McDuffie. They did move off Charvarius Ward, who wanted money. They're fine. They moved off Snead. He busted in.
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Colin Cowherd
Tennessee. Think about.
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JMAC
This. They're fine. I think McDuffie's gone. I think Nick Bolton is a name you got to watch. Very good linebacker, but big cap hit. Colin, listen, tough choices, man. You got to make.
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Colin Cowherd
Them. Yeah, I mean, and it also with Harbaugh and Peyton in the division, I mean, the reason. The reason, if you look at dying franchises surviving a little longer, like New England, it was because the jets and the Dolphins and the Bills were a mess when Josh Allen entered the division. Okay. Everything.
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