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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Week 17 Blazin' 5, Giants Can Swap Jaxson Dart for Fernando Mendoza
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Welcome in. We are live. It is a Friday, the day after Christmas. Christmas, it's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. It did sound last night on the broadcast like it's Travis Kelsey's last year. He was productive. But you know, you can see when you watch Kansas City, you know, it's, this is what happens to dynasties. The old guys look really old and it's just sort of a sad trombone and you start losing all those close games instead of winning them. And that's okay. I mean it's, it's, it's better to have been in a dynasty and faded away than to never have been in a dynasty. That sounds almost political. All right, blazing 5, 60% for the year. Feel very, very good about it this week. I didn't do this all year. Four underdogs. I don't even know why underdogs yesterday did well. Here we go. That's a hot one.
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Let's blaze it up.
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Fire it up.
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It's Collins. Blazing fire.
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Tax ends at char. I like the Texans plus two and a half seven game winning streak. They clinch a playoff first with a win. Their only loss by more than three points. One against Seattle. That's it. Well, Seattle beats up on a lot of people. Woody Marks is back. Huge part of their offense. The Chargers 18th in the NFL on offense since week 11 because their offensive line is using backups. Three of the Chargers four wins during their four game winning streak have come against the Raiders, Chiefs and Cowboys. The Texans defense is so good even on the road, it's dominating number one in the league. I'm taking the points. Texans 23, Chargers 21. Take the points. Seahawks at Panthers. I wish it was seven and a half, but I'll take it at seven. Panthers at home fighting to win the NFC south one game lead over Tampa. I'm taking the points. Anybody noticing Bryce Young in the last month, last three games, he's a Pro Bowler. Six touchdowns, no picks. He's been on fire in the last three games. The Seahawks are coming off a tough physical overtime game. Season High 92 defensive snaps against the Rams the last two games they won both at home by a combined three points. The offense for Seattle doesn't quite feel right. This is a long trip. They could be looking ahead to the playoffs. Oh, just beat the Rams. We're amazing. Seattle wins. I'm absolutely taking the points here. 27:23 Hawks, Eagles and Bills. I'm in the minority. I like Philly plus two and a half great run team, bad run defense. They're 352 when they win the turnover battle under Nick Ceriani. Seven and oh this year and they usually do. Jalen hurts the last two weeks. Something is working. Even Greg Cosell told us. Saquon Barkley Last three games averaging five and a half a carry. The O line now getting healthy folks. The Bills have trailed in each of their last eight games. They've trailed in the second half of six of their last seven. They play with their food. They're not good on third down. The Bills can't defend the run. I'm taking the Eagles and the points better. Overall roster 2824 Philly Bears at 49ers I like Chicago with extra rest. Plus 3 D.J. moore and Caleb Williams Last 5 games D.J. morass 5 touchdown catches tied for most in the league. The offense. You get all the big plays without any other turnovers. Listen, the Niners are hot, but four of their five wins came against Cleveland, Arizona, the Titans and the Colts. Brock Purdy trailing this year is a different quarterback. 63% completion percentage and their defense. Here's the story of the game. The Niners defense not only has the fewest sacks in the NFL, seven fewer than the next fewest and opposing quarterbacks have A passer rating of 101 against the Niners. Christian McCaffrey just came off a 27 touch game. The Niners are.04 off McCaffrey games where he's got 27 or more touches. Bears win it. Take the points. 2827 Cardinals at Bengals I like the over 53 and a half 29th ranked scoring defense against the worst ranked defense. Banged up defenses that are bad to begin with. The weather? It's going to be a little wet. Temperature. Not a factor. The Cardinals defense is bad and it's gotten worse. Allowed 40 plus points in two of their last three games. The Bengals? They're averaging 27 a game with Burrow. So you're talking about atrocious defenses banged up. I like Cincinnati to win the game. I think it's a bit of a shootout. I'm going to take the over Cincinnati Arizona over 53 and a half points. 30:27 Bengals win. So a lot of underdogs have not done that once this year. Four underdogs and one over J Max picks in about an hour 45. There you go. Eric Mangini, former NFL coach, Browns, Jets Fox Sports is now joining us. You know, it's interesting. You know this. You can't get too caught up in style points Denver goes to, you know, it could be Travis Kelsey's last game. Emotional. It's a division rival. You go on the road, you win by a touchdown. And all I hear is, I don't know, I don't trust Denver. I'm like, guys, they're 13 and three. Bo Nicks keeps making, you know, Josh Allen has the most fourth quarter touchdowns the last two years. Bo Nix is second. I, I know it's uneven, but my take is we're spending too much time worried about the stylistic nature of Denver and I just see a 133 team that makes big plays late. What do you see with Denver?
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Yeah, last night. Look, it's an emotional game. Travis Kelsey may be retiring. It's an arrowhead that Denver probably had a little bit of a letdown because they're 13 and a half point favorites. And look, Kansas City doesn't want to get embarrassed by a division rival on Christmas in front of friends and family. The game was, was probably destined to be close and they get penalized. Denver gets penalized for winning late. To me that's a strength that shows character of the team and it's a little bit like Kansas City when people were ding them for winning close games. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. And that's going to be a strength. I believe in the playoffs, their ability to know if we're behind, we can figure out a way to come back because we've done it so many times this season. Yeah.
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So I'm watching the Lions and people say, well, they're O lines beat up. And I'm like, the Texans and the Chargers O lines have been bad all year and they're 21 and 9. Like yes, this is, you get cluster injuries and I'm not saying it's it, it, it's. I think Sam Laporta is also a huge loss. I'm not denying that. But the Lions don't look like last year they were bad this year on third down all year when the O line was healthy last year, they look crisp and creative. Eric, I go on this show every two weeks with Ben Johnson. I'm like this guy is Kyle Shanahan. This guy, this guy's incredible. Like, this is so creative and inventive. How much of it's just, well, the O lines beat up and how much is they lost a great coordinator and they're hard to replace.
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Yeah, that's, that's underrated as well. Colin. We, we saw Philly replace both coordinators and win the Super Bowl. So everybody thinks, okay, that's easy to do. It's not easy to do. It's not easy at all. And this year, Dan Campbell, what, four or five games in the season, I forget exactly what the number is. He replaces the offensive coordinator as the signal caller. And they play pretty well offensively. But the problem is that takes some of your attention as a head coach off of the rest of the team. And this Lions team was up and down all season. It's win a game, lose a game through eight games like that. And then they went on the three game losing streak. I'd say the most disappointing thing for me is you have the six turnovers last night. That's, that's terrible. But the week before, having 15 rushing yards, to me, that's, that's inexcusable. It's the third worst, I think, in the last 20 years for the Lions with two really good running backs. And yeah, we can say there, there's injuries on the offensive line. There's not 15 yards only in rushing of injuries on the offensive line. That, that, that part is, is going to have to be addressed and you're going to have to try to find some coordinators that really make sense for you. Defensively, it's the same thing, the bottom third of every category defensively.
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So, you know, I was saying about the Bills is I think, America now that Detroit's out. I've said the perfect super bowl would be Detroit, Buffalo, two franchises that you feel like kind of deserve it. So Detroit's out. Here's Buffalo. And I said, okay, no Mahomes, maybe no Lamar, no Burrow, Drake, May and B. Knicks are still ascending. They're kids. And then you've got like Trevor Lawrence. He's good. But, you know, they'll probably be better next year. Herbert's going to get his offensive tackles back next year. I'm like, this is the year. Like, this is the year to win. So I what I do wonder about Buffalo, if they're going to coach tight because, I mean, you know, you know, coach, sometimes you get breaks and this is a year that Buffalo's getting some breaks. Kid quarterbacks, kids. Aaron Rodgers is 42, no Lamar like I think, I think you got to get to a conference championship this year. I think that's very realistic. I think that's fair pressure. Do you?
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Yeah. If anybody said you can, you can enter into the playoffs and there's no Lamar, there's no Patrick Mahomes, there's no Joe Burrow, and it's, it's just Josh Allen. Everybody would pick Buffalo to, to go to the super bowl and it makes sense. And on top of that, Buffalo run the ball as good as anybody. The dynamic there, their Achilles heel could be what keeps the quarterback off the field and that's being able to stop the run. And that's what I think a lot of teams that'll be the way to beat him is don't let Josh Allen and that offense on the field have long time consuming drives. That keeps Josh Allen on the sidelines. But you've got the one remaining superhero left in the afc. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a deep run and you know, ideally a Super bowl run with all those other guys sitting home.
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Okay, so the Lamar story broke on Christmas Eve where there's a long standing Baltimore reporter that says he doesn't take criticism well. You know, video games at night, doesn't want to practice in the morning, falling asleep at meetings. Now John Harbaugh comes out. Smart thing to do during a season, hey, a plus plus relationship. I don't think this longtime reporter made up all of it. So my take was, I had a couple of takes is he wants to play in Miami and if you could get, if you could get Baltimore to pay some of the freight, you know, I mean Denver won, they're still paying Russell Wilson's cap. I think the jets have two first round picks, have shown no ability in recent years to develop a quarterback. It's not a great college quarterback draft. I think they should consider it. When you look at, let's say you were the Raiders or you are one of the Miami or the jets and you read this story, would you still go after Lamar? Does it scare you from Lamar?
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No, it doesn't scare me from Lamar. And this has been a long time coming. Colin, this is what, seven weeks in a row or eight weeks in a row where he missed a day of practice and now he's, now he's missing games. It feels like the last time there were contract issues and I imagine there's something to do with the contract in all of this as well. He's got a really high cap number next year they're talking about it, so it feels like that's a component of it. And I don't know who leaked out the negative things about Lamar, but obviously it came from inside the building and someone related to the team as opposed to another player. But if I'm the Ravens, I'm not moving on from Lamar Jackson. What did he do the last time he missed the six games at the end of the season. He was the MVP the next year, and then he could have been the MVP the year after that. And this I would imagine Lamar next year, if he's motivated and in the right mindset, can be in that same spot. Now, if Baltimore did want to move on from him, if I'm any other team that's been sitting with no quarterback and a lot of the teams you named are in that situation, yeah, you go get Lamar Jackson if you can, if there's any way you can, because it gives you such a better chance to win than some rookie that you're taking a chance on or some, some retread that you're hoping for.
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So I, I said this when, when you've been bad for a decade, you have to consider everything. So Jackson Dart comes in. He's young. He didn't give up a ton to get him. He was a late first round pick and he's in the blue tent constantly. I like him, but the last three starts he's regressed. It could be Kafka, maybe Day Bowles, just more experience and better. Fine. But I don't think he's an A plus prospect. I think he's a gamer. I think he's confident. I think he's been fun to watch. Mendoza, even at Cal for two years. And now at Indiana, Not Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, at Cal in Indiana is 68% completion percentage bigger, much more accurate, a much better prospect. If I'm the Giants, I'm going to sit down and we're going to, we're going to talk about this for several days. When I suggest that people push back, I'm like, guys, you've been embarrassing for a decade. Everything's on the table. You didn't give up much for Jackson Dart. Am I nuts on this?
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No, not at all. And there's no real tanking in the NFL. That's not, that's not a thing. But you got to think about it this weekend. If you're the owner of the Giants or you're the owner of the Raiders, you got to think about, about wanting to lose this game and having the number one One pick. Because whether it's Mendoza or trading back or Lamar Jackson or any opportunity have the number one overall pick is pretty powerful. And to your point. Yeah, Dart's done some good things. He's excited the fan base, but he excited the fan base after he came in for Russell Wilson, who kind of put the fan base to sleep. And so it wasn't a high bar that he had to overcome. But I don't know if he's made a strong enough case saying, yeah, this is our franchise quarterback. This is the guy that we're going to go and have a chance to compete for a championship for the next 10 years. If, if you're sitting there with the first overall draft pick and you think Mendoza is the guy and, and he's an upgrade, then yeah, you pull the trigger on that and, and you go and get where you can for, for Dart and there'll be a strong market for him.
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Yeah, that's my take. There'll be an offensive coach out there that's going to go, oh, I like that kid. We have way better players than the New York Giants. We'll get that kid out of that mess. So, I mean, you can get stuff for Dart, but I, I think when you're bad, you have to consider everything. I like Jackson. He's better than I thought. But with Lane Kiffin and better players around him, Mendoza is putting up better numbers. You know, Cal is like a third tier program. He's pretty good at Cal and he was getting his second year at Cal. I mean, he got sacked 45 times. He was running for his life. So. One more question as we, you know, I'm in Chicago now and it's this talk and it's crazy and I don't think I've talked to you about this. Maybe I have, but I said, you know, Tom Brady's completion percentage was only 64% without the wiggle. Matt Stafford has always been a guy that like, you get a lot of big plays. His completion percentage is not Drew Brees level. My take is when you get such explosive plays now, Josh Allen this year has a higher completion percentage. They don't throw the ball down the field. They throw to tight ends and backs. Caleb Williams, 58% a little low to me, but if you told me he's a career 60% guy with all this horsepower, I think I can live with it. Or do you have certain lines you want to hit from your quarterback?
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Well, I believe the league average is around. It's either 63 or 64% for most quarterbacks so when you're getting in the 50s, that's problematic. So I would like to see it come up from that. If we're talking about 60, 61, it's not that far off. And you have the, the upside of the big plays. To me, yeah, you can live with that. You may miss some, some layups, but. But you're hitting a bunch of three pointers and it's helping you win, win a ton of games. I. My frustration with Caleb has been the inconsistency. So he works the magic. Last game, after they have a 1% chance to win, they get the onside kick, which is fantastic. You just like to see that through the course of the game. And this year has been really good for him in the, in the sense they've got the second best rushing offense in the league, so that's helped him significantly. I give, I give Caleb and Johnson a ton of credit for the way that they've cut down on the sacks. To me, that's, that's not just the offensive line. That's a conscientious effort by Caleb, by Ben Johnson, by the group to avoid those negative plays. So that growth to me is incredible from, from Caleb. I would just like to see some, some more consistency throughout the course of the game, but he's trending in the right direction. If I got to live with a little bit lower completion percentage to get those big plays, then, yeah, I'm okay with that.
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I tell my wife, you know, I'm not good at cleaning the garage. I've got weight, I've got great upside. I'm great in the fourth quarter.
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You're not.
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You know, I can't fix a tire on the car, but I'm really good in the fourth quarter. Okay.
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You make big plays. Khan, you make big plays.
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I do, but, you know, my completion percentage is pretty low. Great seeing you, Eric.
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Great seeing you too, Colin.
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Yeah, I. People are saying, oh, Josh Allen this year, like Josh Allen, if he was 63 and a half percent. They just don't throw the ball down the field. So it's a lot of tight end stuff. And they have really good tight ends. Knox, Kincaid, Haas, the third guy. Like, they have really good tight ends and they can throw to their backs and they have a good slot receiver. But Buffalo's not throwing the ball down the field, and that could end up biting you. Like, if you're throwing and Caleb throws the ball, I mean, Roma Dante can go deep, DJ Moore goes deep. Their tight end Loveland will go down the scene like they have guys that burden is a guy that can go deep. So they are, they are a big play offense. Buffalo's not. The big plays are provided by Josh Allen running around.
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Colin, let me ask you about something you and Eric just talked about. So the whole Jackson Dart, we could trade him thing. So we're seeing a season where backup quarterbacks are having to play because guys are getting hurt. Jackson Dart gets hurt a lot. Why not just draft Mendoza, keep Dart and see who wins a starting job. Heck, you don't even know who the coach is going to be. The coach might want a scrambler or he might want a pocket guy.
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Well, well. But if you bring Mendoza in. Good question. You want his old line fortified. You don't want him getting beat up like a cow. So if you trade Dart and can get a 2 and a 4 and address your O line to a higher level, Mendoza doesn't have to take a beating for a year because it's not a great roster. They have their left tackle, but even he gets hurt a lot. Andrew Thomas. So my take is you move D. Mendoza is the better prospect. Bigger, more accurate. He just is. I mean at Cal he's as accurate as as Jackson Dart was with Lane Kiffin and Ole Miss and like you know, Trey Harris and like I think Trey play maybe. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But like really good Ole Miss offensive players. Lane can recruit offensive dudes, whoever the receivers, tight ends, backs were. So my take is you also, you don't want in New York City a quarterback battle. You do not want that. Maybe it works in Jacksonville, not in the biggest media market in the country.
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It's interesting. The fan base would. The fan base loves Dart. Honestly, they think he is the new. He's like the new Jeremy Lin. People love him.
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Yeah, great.
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The skill sets limited. We'll see. I just. I don't know what the coach is going to want. Is the GM going to be there? The Giants have a lot of questions, man.
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Yeah, they do. That's why I would give up. I would give up. I get picks. I try. You know, with Mendoza and all those draft picks you could accumulate with Jackson Dart. Oh, your roster. A lot of cheap labor. What does that mean?
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Fetching multiple picks.
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Dude, there are eight teams that need a quarterback and there's one good one coming out of college.
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Sure.
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Dart's a franchise guy.
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I think he's shown himself to be capable of it.
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Tyrod Taylor, career backup.
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Oh, I think Jackson backup. Who's good? Oh, I think Jackson darts better than Tyrod Taylor, Teddy Bridgewater. If Teddy Bridgewater would have stayed healthy, Teddy Bridgewater would have been a nice franchise quarterback. I like Teddy Bridgewater.
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Yeah, I liked him too. Yeah.
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Yeah. I think Jackson darts a franchise quarterback. Is he a top eight guy? Probably not, no. But I think there's something there. I mean, I, I, I said he, I thought he was a second round pick. So I'm wrong. There's something there.
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The top eight is rich. I mean, Jared Goff, his ceiling might have been top eight, but then when it matters most, he's like 18 to 20. I mean, it's tough, man, to be a top eight quarterback.
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Yeah.
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Arrowhead. Man, hard fought win. I thought Kansas City did a good job, Andy. And this, this team, I don't care who comes out of that locker room. This is a team that basically is. Has been at the top of our league for the better part of a century. And so there's a ton of respect we have for what they've been able to.
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Accomplish. Yeah, it's impressive. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no. Heard on the.
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News. This is the Herd line news. Yeah, I'm about as impressed by the Broncos as I am the Detroit Lions. Let's start with those Lions. Sorry I had to. Colin. It was a brutal ending to the Lions season. Yesterday I was texting with the Lions fan. We had bet on who was going to be better, Detroit or Denver this season. I had Denver and it was a runaway, I mean victory. The Detroit Lions regressed badly. Jared Goff was awful. Kyle, I got some stats. We'll give you in a minute but here's Dan Campbell talking about the turnovers.
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Yesterday. Anytime.
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You. He's not able to step into a throw. It's going to be hard for him. You know, that's where he's at his best obviously in the pocket and you know, if he's not able to, to at least hit that back foot.
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And step into it, it makes it pretty.
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Difficult. Story of that game was six turnovers. Can't turn the ball over six times and win in this league. Yeah. Among the many problems. Not.
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Good. Yeah. So Colin, I like Jared Goffey. He's a nice guy. You know, he's building a house near me in the South.
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Bay. Very.
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Nice. Colin, we've got a stat here for you on the most like games with three plus turnovers in recent years. You'll never believe who's at the top of this list. Colin, look at this. Tua who you. I mean just berate And Deride. And Jared Goff's right there with.
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Him. Well, Trevor Lawrence is too. And Trevor's.
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Gonna. He's had like six coaches. Come on, give the guy a pass. I mean, Jared Goff is, is in an offensive machine. And for whatever reason, man, it thinks when they go bad for Goff, they get in his head. And we know the book on golf doesn't play well in cold weather. And get pressure up the middle because he's not mobile. All the elite quarterbacks can get out of the pocket and make throws on the.
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Run. Hell, not Stafford. Stafford can't.
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Stafford. Yeah, but he has great protection up the middle, right? They gotta. They fortified the line. Detroit loses their center. And you could just see it coming, man, up the middle. Brian Flores repeatedly blitzing up the middle. You could see it on these highlights. It's as plain. It's clear as day. And I don't, I mean, people want to say, what's the fix for Detroit? Well, they got like four defensive starters. I just looked this up. Who are going to be free agents. The defense stinks, by the way. At some point we got to mention Aaron Glenn. They lose Aaron Glenn and the defense is. I mean, I know the injuries on the back end, but, like, I don't know what the quick fix is here. I mean, they got some picks. I think you must invest in the middle of the offensive line, but you've paid the O line.
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Well. Frank Ragnow retired. So through the years, I have said repeatedly, the most underrated position in this sport is center, is that they call the audibles. It's the anchor. If there's a great defensive tackle somewhere in the midst, you have to block him. There's a lot of edge rushers. Right. Like you can get. So offensive tackle, we know that's important, but center gets overlooked. And I mean, I, I just, I. If you want to beat Philadelphia. The Rams have had a problem blocking the interior of the O line of Philadelphia. They're just as good, if not better a team. So I think Frank Ragnow gives you a late retirement and they've been bailing water since then. La Porta gets hurt late in the season along with that and an O line injury or two, then it snowballs. But it's still. They've been bad on third down all year. That's. That's not just O line.
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Issue.
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Yeah. By the way, look at the three teams that have cratered, right. Lamar Jackson's offensive line tried, the young guys crumbling. Patrick Mahomes offensive line, they whiffed on Everybody other than left this kid Simmons who got hurt, crumbling like Jared Goff center. I mean, you have to spend money on the O line. It's imperative. All right, let's move on to the next story. And that's Nikola Jokic for those who stayed up late last.
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Night. What a.
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Game. Anthony Edwards forces overtime with a crazy three from the corner, but it was all Jokic. Colin, this stat line is unbelievable. He first 55, 15, 15 game in NBA history. I mean, he's putting up Wilt type numbers now. What's crazy is they've got a bunch of injuries on Denver. They started a couple guys. I'm like, what? What's he doing in the starting lineup? It don't matter. Jokic, 56 points, 16 boards, 15 assists, 22 of 23 on free throws. I'm sorry. To the SGA guys out there, Jokic is a. I'm taking Jokic over SGA 10 times out of 10. I'm sorry.
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Guys. Yeah, so am I. Yeah, he's the best player in the world. Has been for four years. He is the best player in the world. But. But he's got one ring. And part of the reason is OKC's got better three and D guys. They've got more athleticism. That's the Lakers issue that you watched last night. They're not athletic. They can't defend. So Denver a couple years ago had a much, I would say broader, deeper roster. They were a bit more athletic. They moved off guys because of Jamal Murray and Jokic and Gordon's contracts. So. But he is absolutely the most skilled center in the history of the league. The only player I can think of, Bill Walton, had the ability to shoot, defend, rebound, pass. Arvidus Sabonis, the old version came to the States, but he is the most skilled big ever. I trust him. Shooting threes, free throws, passing, screening, scoring. It's an unbelievable skill.
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Set. Yeah. I'm wondering, you said he's the most skilled center ever. So the big question, I mean, this is a tough one. I don't know the right answer here. Shaq or Jokic? Who you take it now. I know Shaq won the titles and every. Blah, blah, blah. It was a different era, Colin and I. You can make a credible case that, you know, you would take Jokic over Shaq. He could just do so many more.
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Things. Well, I would. I mean, Shaq would be the first to admit he struggled with a.
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Keen.
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Yeah. Akeem Olajuwon had his way with Shaq because his footwork. So in Shaq was a different. It's a different era. You can't compare eras. But I'm just talking the most skilled. I mean, weren't the Nuggets down like two starters last night? I mean, it's just like. And they still. They were down three starters.
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Yeah. So listen, I've made the case for Luca. I've trying to push Luca's number one. At some point, I'm going to capitulate here. And Jokic, he's just better. Final story. Colin. Let's go to the Back to the NFL 49ers linebacker Fred Warner, by the way, quietly, there's chatter that he could return for the NFC championship game. I know it's crazy just putting it out there. Anyway, Warner did a podcast because that's what people do, and he was asked who the toughest quarterback in the NFL is. He said it was Joe Burrow, the toughest quarterback in the NFL. The guy we call Glass Joe. Here's Warner. He's just a dog. Like, he just. For whatever reason, I don't know, his makeup is different than a lot of these guys in this league. I'll let you take it away because you, you love Burrow. You know him well. I joked he's Glass.
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Joe. But no, I mean, he's. He is, I would say on third or fourth down, take out scrambling. I need somebody to make a throw to get a first down. Third and fourth down, he's the best in the league. He is the best third and fourth down thrower. He has had atrocious O lines. I don't think he's ever had an O line in his career ranked above 23rd, so. And he's had mostly bad defenses, so he can only win one way. He has to win by track meet. You know, if Fred Warner didn't say Brock Purdy, by the way, I.
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Don'T think that means anything. Purdy's not a huge strapping dude. I'll just say this. If you're asking me and nobody asked me, Josh Allen, it for me, is the toughest quarterback in the league. I mean, I don't know that it's close. I like.
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Burrow. Burrow's a different style of court. Burrow's a little old school. He'd rather sit in the pocket. If Matt Stafford moved better like Burrow and Stafford, to me, would be the two best pocket quarterbacks in the.
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League. Like.
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That. I think they're the best two guys in the pocket in the league. The difference is Burrow can move quite well. He's his comp coming out of college. To me, everybody said, Brady. I said, it's Tony Romo. He's a way better version of Tony Romo. Like he moves around. He doesn't make the mistakes. He's more committed. But he moves like Tony. He's.
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Slippery. But when Burrow and Stafford are about to get hit, you're kind of wincing. When Josh Allen's getting hit, you're knocked out. You're like, he's gonna absorb it. The guy's an.
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Adonis. Yeah, J. Mac with the.
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News. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping.
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By. The Herd Lie news in one hour from now. J. Mack has his picks. I took four underdogs this week and the Bengals Arizona over. So I like the Dogs this week. It is, it's, it's. You get to an interesting part. You're sitting there watching yesterday and there's a lot of fight. These teams are fighting. Max Brosmer and Minnesota are out playing Detroit. So Dogs had a very good Christmas Day. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern.
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On Fox. So Connor Hughes covers the New York Giants. There, there there is some discussion. I saw a headline today should Big blue the Giants trade Jackson Dart and select Indiana's Fernando Mendoza. And I've said for years I feel very confident in my quarterback selections. Y' all bailed on Darnold. I didn't like Manzell or Tebow or Jamarcus Russell or Jameis Winston. And a lot of people make these moves. I liked Bo Nicks better than everybody else. I love Drake May, I love Caleb Williams. You know, I miss, I thought Michael Penix would be better but I'll tell you, I don't know how you don't consider it. So if you go look at Mendoza, just go look at the numbers. The two years at Cal coupled with Indiana now Indiana now bought good players but remember he's a, he's a transfer. It's all new people. There is no preseason in college. You have to learn on the fly and go to classes with limitations on like the number of hours you can practice. So what he's done is really impressive. It's very hard when you just inject yourself into a college program. You got classes, you have limitations on practice. So his numbers at Cal and Indiana combined and this is not Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, not even USC or lsu. It's not his numbers look like Andrew Luck to me. Big, much bigger than Jackson Dart, much more accurate than Jackson Dart and Dart played with better players in college and Dart had Lane Kiffin's offense which is very quarterback friendly. So he's bigger, you start the clock. He's more accurate. Really, really graceful and gracious kid. Just it's a heart very, a lot of humility. So I don't know how you don't at least think of it. The idea that the New York Giants could look at it and Think, hey, we're not even going to think about it. The other thing is, if you move Jackson Dart, think about this. You could get a better quarterback and additional draft picks because there'll be enough desperate teams that'll give you a second rounder, maybe a third and a fifth for Jackson Dart. I mean, you could leverage that up. So the idea that you could get a better quarterback, certainly a better quarterback prospect, that's not debatable. That is not debate. He's a better prospect, bigger, more accurate and additional picks, you're not going to consider that if you keep Jackson Dart, good luck, hire whoever. You're not getting additional picks. You're getting a guy that spends a lot of time in the blue tent. So to me, if you can get a better prospect and more draft capital at that, that's pretty good. I don't know how you don't think about it. Eric Mangini on should the Giants at least.
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Consider it? Dart's done some good things. He's excited the fan base, but he excited the fan base after he came in for Russell Wilson, who kind of put the fan base to sleep. And so it wasn't a high bar that he had to overcome. But I don't know if he's made a strong enough case saying, yeah, this is our franchise quarterback. This is the guy that we're going to go and have a chance to compete for a championship for the next 10.
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Years. Yeah. And last week when they played the Vikings at home, the New York Giants offensive coach Mike Kafka literally made a decision during the week. We don't want him throwing the ball at all. I think he had one completion in the first half. They took the ball out of his hands. That's what they did with J.J. mcCarthy at Michigan. That road game that Harbaugh wasn't on the sidelines. They said, we're just not even going to have him throw. I don't love that. That was one of the big turn offs for me. I mean, Mike Kafka is like, I don't want him throwing. Yeah, Brian Flores is really good coach. You don't want him throwing What. What league are we playing here? So, I mean, I think you have to consider all this stuff. And also, you didn't give up a ton for Jackson Dart. I don't have it in front of me. But he was like the 23rd, 24th, something like that pick, you didn't give up a ton. Was he 25th, 25th pick. I mean, he didn't give up that much for him. So the idea that you don't consider it and get out of the emotional. I love him. He's tough. He's so tough. He's in the blue tent five times. I don't love that either. I've defended him on that. That when you're young and trying to pick up yards and learning NFL defenses I'm going to defend you. Drake May ended up in the blue tennis first year and then they got him really good players. Drake May does not end up in the blue 10th. He also didn't have scatter Boo. Right. And I, I get. But, but Giant fans, you haven't made a lot of really good decisions in the last decade and you're going to tell me you wouldn't consider it. Have to consider that you could get Mendoza and additional draft picks and you say, well who would want Jackson Dart Go give me the mock draft again if Dante Moore doesn't leave Oregon. The Raiders need a quarterback. The Browns may draft one. The jets need one. The Cardinals need one. I think the Saints think they have one. The Bengals could probably draft one but that's not their primary need. So there's, there's plenty of teams and, and also not in the top 10 picks is Miami. Miami I think is just out of the top 10. Miami could draft a quarterback. Probably will. Plenty of takers on Jackson Dart. Jackson Darts got a Miami look trade for Jackson Dart not paying him anything then you can withstand if you're the Miami Dolphins, you're like we're in a different conference. You know a lot of teams like Jack. I mean if I was the Miami Dolphins and I and I have, I have two and I was like I'll try. I'll trade up to get Jackson Dart. He's not making any money. He was late first round. So I can withstand to his cap hit if I move to it for a.
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Six rounder. How about door number three? We trade down, we trade the number one pick and we get a hole. We start Jackson Dart, see if he's the guy and if he fails, you know what? Next year Arch Manning and a bunch of other dudes are coming out. It's going to be a way better class. Sellers is sticking around college. We just, we punt to.
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20, 27. All right, that, that for the, for the record, I'd consider that too. My point is you have to consider Mendoza as a pick and I think trading down is something that may make a lot of.
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