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Colin Cowherd
Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Monday. We're in la. This week, it's the Herd slinging Sammy Darnold favored to win the Super Bowl. That's one of the great things about sports is that, you know, when you have a strong opinion in our space, people are like, whoa, that's crazy. Nothing's crazy. Kevin Durant went from having the rivals of his Oklahoma City Thunder being the warriors to joining them. Sam Darnold, what you saw with the jets to MVP level play with Seattle in Minnesota. In sports, you know, you just absolutely never know what's going to happen. You absolutely never know. And we'll get to Matt Hasselbeck. He's up in San Francisco already. But first, where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong. Where Colin was right. Well, I'm not that surprised that Bill Belichick didn't get in. 11 people did not vote for Bill Belichick to get into the hall of Fame because I've been saying for years, take Tom Brady out of Bill Belichick. Fired in Cleveland, couldn't make the playoffs. The one year Matt Castle played. Disaster Pre Brady in New England, disaster. Brady leaves in New England, disaster. In college, his. His ability to draft, awful. The more control he had, the worse it was his NFL career. When Tom Brady's not playing for him, he averages 19 points a game. So I think he'll get into the hall of Fame. But I have said for years when you take Brady out, there is no great coach in the history of football that if you take one player out, you view them much, much differently. So I think he'll get in. But I wasn't shocked that 11 voters said, you got a couple of Spygates, you win 44% with Brady, you didn't treat people necessarily well. You made a D.C. the offensive coordinator. I get it.
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Where Colin was wrong.
Colin Cowherd
Which one is this guy? Oh, the Buffalo Bills. Yeah. The Buffalo Bills didn't hire Brian Dable. Shocking. Who made the playoffs with Daniel Jones. Instead they went with a very young, unproven coach, Joe Brady, which I felt was a little bit of a comfortable hire. Maybe Joe Brady works, maybe he doesn't. But there is recent history that says if you hire somebody in the building, the comfort hire, it overwhelmingly will not work. Where Colin was right. Which one, guys? Cooper Flagg. Not shocking. We said out of Duke, I thought he would be a better Jayson Tatum. And honestly, today he looks much better than Jayson Tatum on the defensive end and is much more consistently aggressive on the offensive end. Remember when people said, well I you can't compare him to Jayson Tatum. I think he is the best domestic prospect since LeBron James and I think he has a better offensive bag at this age than LeBron James. People are always, hey, don't pile on the pressure of the young athlete. When we have a Tiger woods or a Bryce Harper or a Caleb Williams, a they can handle it and B, when the media goes that Gaga for Cooper flag, we're usually right where Colin was wrong the Minnesota Vikings have mostly been a buttoned up franchise, so I'll take a wrong here. I was kind of surprised that they suddenly fired somebody that appeared to be a somewhat capable gm Quezzi, Adolfo Mensah. Now, he missed on quarterback Sam Darnold, and I'd argue if Darnold bombed in Seattle, he'd still have his job. But it was weird giving him an extension and then a year later firing him. And I don't want to hear about the paternity leave stuff or their relationship with Kevin o'. Connell. The Darnold acceleration is why he got whacked. Where Colin was right. Cleveland Browns hired Todd Monken. What a shock. Of all the coaching hires, he just turned 60. It was the least inspiring. I'll even buy into Matt LaFleur's brother in Arizona, Rams guy, young guy, offensive guy. But he was a coach in college briefly down in the south that was a disaster. This is a disorganized, dysfunctional organization that had Jim Schwartz in the building, who's very respected. They mistakenly thought that if he passed him over he would stay, and they bailed on him. The Browns of the Browns. Where Colin was wrong well, you know, I love my offensive coaches. Two defensive coaches, Mike McDonald, Mike Vrabel, meeting in the Super Bowl. Now, they're both really smart guys and they've got an excellent quarterback play. But it should be noted that the NFL has always been fairly cyclical and the final four teams all had top 10 defenses. And these days it's not really about. You hear this continually. It's not really about the scheme of the offensive coach. It's about can the Coach be a CEO? And Mike McDonald and Vrabel inarguably are where Colin was right. Matt LaFleur and the GM Brian Gudenkoonst are getting an extension. Of course they are. Remember when the season ended and there were many people calling for Matt lafleur's head guys? He's Made the playoffs in six or seven years. He's by all accounts, you know, elevated Aaron Rodgers when he got him closer to the end of his prime. And Brian Kudenkoontz. Can we not at least discuss the packers made draft over the last 30 years as well as anybody in the NFL. That was just, you know, it was recency bias. It was, everybody's freaking out. The truth is once Micah Parsons got hurt, the defense was kind of average. And at wide receiver and tight end they had key losses due to injury. Where Collin was right, Sean Manion hired with little to no play calling experience as the Eagles offensive coordinator. Now, it may work, but I had said during the process I had been told by people in the league that even though offensive coordinator for the Eagles sounds like a great job, it's one of the worst good jobs in the league. You have a quarterback that struggles to identify people over the middle of the field. You got A.J. brown drama. You've got maybe the harshest, most unrelenting media in the country. And if you do succeed, you may get a head coaching job, but you're going to be given until about Thanksgiving for fan approval. So they settle on a guy that may be successful but doesn't really have any experience doing in Philadelphia what they hired him for. Where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong on a Monday. And with that, Matt Hasselbeck up already in the Bay Area, is now joining us live. So you've been in one of these. I remember years hearing ago that, that Peyton Manning did not love the playoff or the super bowl experience because it took him out of his. He's a creature of habit that, you know, the timeouts are longer, the halftime's longer, the, the media's all over you. Take me to your super bowl week. Did you find it tedious, annoying or refreshing and fun?
Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all about Peyton Manning, by the way. I mean, even the two weeks he probably, he probably was petitioning the league to get rid of the bye week before. I mean, I've heard stories about him even like, hey, this is how we're going to do travel with the family. Family. You can stay with the players. And you know, I've heard stories about Peyton be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, there's going to be no family staying with players. You know, like, kind of like, no, every team's different. And you know, I think that when your organization has experience playing in Super Bowls, you know, some teams, they can just, it's like autopilot, you know, I know for The Seahawks, it's kind of like there's a group of people that are just like the advanced team, the super bowl team, like, they've got it all dialed. Hey, we're in charge of the advanced team for the families, you know, and then there's a group of people that are just in charge of the advanced team for the players and then advanced team for the equipment managers and, you know, all the stuff. So think with the New England Patriots are doing, like, they think this is just normal. This is like a preseason game to them in terms of, like, that routine. And so I think if you make it a big deal, it can be a big deal. But I can promise you that, you know, Mike Vrabel is going to talk about this. Like. Like, he's done it before. Kind of like, yeah, and then we're going to do this, and then Friday is going to be a Wednesday, and Wednesday is going to be a, you know, a Thursday, and then Sunday we're off, and then, you know, just talking about it, like, it is just what we do. This is just our super bowl schedule. And I know for me, when Mike Holmgren was our head coach, we as players took a lot of confidence from that. You know, him and most of his staff. They were there with Bill Walsh and Joe Montana and Steve Young and San Fran doing this. They were there in Green Bay with Brett Favre and Reggie White doing this. And so, like, when they said, hey, here's the schedule, as a player for me, I just turned my brain off, and I was like, holmgren's got it, you know, like, he's doing the Bill Walsh thing. And so I think in a similar way, that's how they're going to feel about Mike Vrabel. And I'll give you, like, Mike McDonald just gives you that vibe also. And then the people in the building are mostly the Pete Carroll people as well.
Colin Cowherd
So I've talked to different players about that first series in the Super Bowl. Like, it just. It's just. You go two hours after the game, you're like, I don't remember a lot about it. And so for Drake, May and Darnold, it's just different. I mean, it's. Go to your first series. You know, Matt, what's interesting, even Brady and the Patriots, they never scored touchdowns in the first quarter. They came. They were. They were always very cautious. It was a feeling out quarter. Go, take me to your first series. Was it numbing? Do you remember a lot of it? Was it flashbulbs and just kind of lost.
Matt Hasselbeck
Listen, I was ready to burst, okay? Like I mentioned, like, about Peyton, like, ready to play on that first Sunday. Same. Like, we're. We're all ready. Creatures of habit. Yes. And so to wait two weeks, you're like, d, get out there. You know, for me, you know, I also have regrets sometimes. Like, Daryl Jackson was a wide receiver. He was probably our number one receiver, had missed a ton of time, and I was begging him to, hey, you got to make it back for the playoffs. You got to make it back for the playoffs. If you do, I'm going to make you super bowl mvp. I'm going to make you the super bowl mvp. And I threw my first five passes of the game to him. He's our strong side receiver to the tight end side. I just wanted to get him going. And, and we did get him going. I mean, he had. He had caught a touchdown that got called back. But what happened on the next series was Dick LeBeau, the D quarter coordinator, was like, oh, they're trying to throw to that strong side receiver. I'm going to change what we're doing. He made an in game adjustment after the first series that really kind of spooked all the stuff that I had studied, you know, tendencies and all that kind of stuff. So I'm sometimes kicking myself for that kind of stuff. Like, I think the lesson would be for any quarterback, don't try to do anything unique that, like, remember what got you here. Spread the ball around, take what the defense gives you. Get a bunch of snapshot pictures that you can go to the sidelines and say, hey, this is their plan versus three wides. This is their plan versus two tights, you know, and then come back and talk about it. You don't have to do anything that you didn't do all season long.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it was funny. I was watching Netflix had a special. It's the boys of 80, the miracle on Ice, and Herb Brooks, when they were playing against Czechoslovakia and the Russians, he kept saying, play your game. They're not playing their game. They're reacting to us. Play your game. And I always think it's interesting, for instance, you can say that, but what if the game unravels? Like, I can see a scenario where Seattle's just speed and length is a lot for the offensive line for New England to handle. And listen, I watched Houston sort of make New England very uncomfortable. I. Outside of that Rams game, Seattle's never uncomfortable. Seattle makes people uncomfortable. Do you worry that Drake May, who's had, you know, a very nice brief career that O line could get overwhelmed. Is there a part in big games that you played when instead of play your game, you're like, guys, it's not working? Because I think most people believe Matt, if this became a blowout, Seattle's probably not getting run out of the building. But the old Seahawk team, Legion of Boom and this Seahawk team, they've humiliated people this year.
Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, they have. But the Patriots are much better than people are giving them credit for. And when you say play your game, referencing Herb Brooks, like, the Patriots can say that let's play Patriots football. And you don't have to wonder what that is like. Let's get back to doing what we want to do. Screen game is going to be a huge thing. Josh McDaniels, huge screen guy. Huge screen guy. So you, you know, you want to like rush the passer, but when you know they've got every which way to run screens to Ramondre Stevenson and Travion Henderson and even to Hunter Henry, and then you get the wide rece screen game, and then Matt Collins is a factor as a blocker out there. Like those now and later plays, like the they happen right now or way later, and you got to worry about those right now plays against this team. And so I know, I think the other thing is just like they, they do run the ball, they commit to running. I think both these teams commit to running it. Their run game efficiencies aren't going to like blow you out of the water, but they stick to it. So if they say play Patriots football to get us settled down, I'm not worried about Drake May in this game. Like, he's the least of my worries, really. The protection of Drake May would be my concern because of how good this front four for the Seahawks is. But again, I have confidence in Josh McDaniels understanding how to slow that rush down. And then I'll say it again. I've been saying it maybe too much, but all year long you practice these trick plays and if you haven't run them yet, you're saving them for nothing. You run them in a game like this. And listen, I lost a Super bowl because Bruce Arians had the courage to call like basically a double, double reverse pass with and Antoine Randall throwing it to Hines Ward. Josh McDaniels, he's, he's got him in his bag. And Patriot fans know all about the Philly special. Like, trick plays are coming in this game. So you can't just close your eyes, rush the passer. This, this will be a football Game. This. This will not be a blowout in my mind.
Colin Cowherd
Do you worry? Listen, Sam Darnold succeeded at the end in Carolina. He succeeded in Minnesota and Seattle, but Clint Kubiak is probably going to get the Raiders job. Do you worry about Darnold next year? And do you worry about that story sort of engulfing the Seahawks, as everybody in the building knows? I mean, if you have a great job, your first head coaching job coming, I don't know how you concentrate. I mean, that's like your first big career break. Do you worry about that Kubiak situation where it's like he's. He's leaving and everybody in the building knows it?
Matt Hasselbeck
I'm not worried about Sam next year. I'm worried about Sam this week. And yes, I've been. I've been there where your coach, your guy, he's getting a promotion, and, you know, he's already accepted that job. And, you know that his. His time is not 100% on the mission. And the mission is hoisting. Hoisting a Lombardi. He's doing job interviews. And you're not, like, upset about it. You're not upset with him. But the process is the process. I mean, I've had. I've had quarterback coaches do it. I've had coordinators do it. Like, it's. It's. It's a bad feeling. It's a bad feeling. So I think the. What you need to do is somehow. Somehow make it a good thing. Somehow make it like, you know what? This team right here, this special team, this journey that we've been on together, we will never be together again. Like, we have a chance to do something together this week, and that's it. We'll never be together again as this unit. Let's do it together. Players and coaches. And with players, you're used to that. With coaches, you're a little less used to that. So they got to just turn that and rally. That kind of a mindset where it's, you know, this is still the 20, 25, 26 Seahawk team. We're together one more time, and we'll worry about tomorrow some other day.
Colin Cowherd
You know, it's interesting. Drake May's not taken a ton of snaps because of a shoulder injury. And I think to myself, well, Sam Darnold took almost no snaps in the previous two games. He just played his best game as a pro. And I remember when Sean McVeigh came into the league and he said, I'm not playing my starters in the preseason. And people are like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And they went eight. No, right. And I, and I. And I think about this that. Have we overstated how much practice you need by the end of the season? And when I read a Drake May story or a Sam Darnold story, you know, my initial concern is, oh, they're out of rhythm. And Sam just played a great defense and his best game is a pro, and he wasn't practicing. What do you make of that?
Matt Hasselbeck
No, I hear what you're saying, but I. I think sometimes an injury can make you a better player in a weird way. You know, like, you don't try to play outside of yourself. You play on time. You don't take three hitches in the pocket because you're not feeling 100%. You're sitting there and you're like, okay, one hitch, two hits, check down. I'm done. I'm not trying to be Superman today. I can be Clark Kent because I'm playing with a bunch of Supermans. I'm good. I can just add water and stir today. Now, you still got to make those throws when they're ready to be made. And I think just even going back to the NFC championship game for Sam Darnold as an example, because he did not practice, didn't throw much, didn't throw deep. I mean, he made it look effortless on his first touchdown to Jake Bobo. You know, it was a play action to the right corner blitz. They're trying to throw to jsn. He's doubled. He just, you know, two hitches comes back and boom. Us or nobody. Right down the middle to Bobo like it was nothing. So, you know, playing on rhythm. I know that sometimes when I've been sick with the flu or sometimes when I've had an injury where I'm like, hey, I know I can start this game. I'm not 100% sure I can finish this game. You play more. Like the coaches are. Have been asking, like, hey, we got a great punter, we got a great defense. Just play within our little system here and we'll be fine.
Colin Cowherd
That is really funny. It's like the governor gets turned down naturally on your body, and you play the game. The coaches want you to play the.
Matt Hasselbeck
And can I just. Can I just add on that Colin, though, it doesn't mean you can't throw the ball deep or you can't take shots. You got to have training wheels on. You can still throw a go route 48 yards downfield. If they ever leave Rashid Shahid or JSN, one on one but you can't do it in more than two hitches. You take your drop to one or two hitches and then we're moving on. Like the ball's out of your hands somewhere.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, the, the first week, last week of practice, I imagine you install the game. What do you do in terms of football? Just the football part. What do you do this week?
Matt Hasselbeck
It's a game week. It's a game week. And it's a cleanup. It's also rest is very really important as well. And you know, as an NFL football player, now, even at the end of my career, they all wear a catapult system where it's got accelerometers in there. It measures how fast you run, how quick, how many bursts you have, how many stops you have. And they're working load management. And so this is a very scientific thing. It's not just a field thing, but you also lay the schedule out for the week. And when you say to a football player in the NFL, today is a Wednesday, we all know what that means. Like, we don't know what day it really is in the real world. We have no idea. But we know that we're doing first and second down today. We know that. And when you say, hey, today is a Thursday, okay, we're going to do some review of first and second down, we're going to do third down and maybe short yardage and goal line. And then you say today is a Friday as an example, okay, today is a red zone emphasis. The O line is not going to be as physical. The D line is not going to be as physical. But on the outside, the seven on seven guys, we're going fast, you know, like things like that. Now, you could tweak it where some people make one day a different day. But. But that is really what you're doing. You're not adding another game plan. You're not adding two weeks of football in. You're sort of, to use an old Abraham Lincoln quote, you're not swinging the ax harder. You're just simply sharpening the blade.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Did you get. Final question. When you're a pro athlete, they either legendary stories. Bill Russell threw up before every game. That's very unique. You're walking out to the field for the super bowl for the first time. I mean, this is for Sam Darnold and Drake May. Did you at that point in your career, despite all the preparation, were you, were you. Was there a little awe inspiring? Did you get nervous?
Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I would say going back to the Bill Russell thing, I It. I played with a lot of guys, great players that would throw up before games. Like, great players. You kind of. You see him go to the thing and then you hear him just hurling like, what's going on in there? And then your hall of Fame teammate comes walking back out and you're like, really, dude? You're throwing up. Okay. You know, I'm not nervous anymore. You. You know, for me, no, that wasn't really my situation. You know, I would huddle with the quarterbacks and usually the centers and say a prayer almost to calm myself down because I was so excited. This is a dream come true. I can't believe you're paying me to do this. Like, this is awesome. I am having so much fun. This is incredible. And then what happens in the Super Bowl? It's a neutral site, but they will play when you come out of the tunnel. A lot of times they will play a song. Now I'm getting goosebumps now. Like, in Seattle, they would play this bittersweet symphony song for us. It's a song that you play in your home stadium. And it's like, no, no, that's our song. Like, I don't know. Whoever sang that song, they didn't sing it for us, but we decided it's our song and this is a home game for us. And so I think for both teams, they're going to come out of those tunnels and they're going to hear that song that they're used to hearing in Foxborough or that song that they're used to hearing at Lumen Field, and they're going to be like, you know, it's. It's on. Like, the problem is you got all this extra time, usually come out of the tunnel and it's time to go now. There's like an anthem and a pageantry and all this stuff.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you're. You're already amped up. Yeah, I can feel it with you.
Matt Hasselbeck
It's my old team, Colin. It's on my. It's my old team against my dad's old team. This is. It's a cool matchup, and it's a. It's in a great city. And it, you know, San Jose to San Fran. Like, it's. Everybody's here in town for it. It's really neat.
Colin Cowherd
Great seeing you, buddy. Matt Hasselbal. Yeah, it is. It's just. It's really interesting when you look. I saw it. I actually saw it first on. First things first. They put up a graphic and you just. And I said this earlier. You kind of Forget because New England started poorly. They lost to the Steelers and Raiders and, and, and Drake May had a really bad game against the Cedars. You kind of checked them like, oh, I don't have to watch that team a lot. And then you forget about them. And they're beating bad teams in the schedule. But if you look at Seattle and you look at New England, they had the same number of blowouts, same number of points right down the line. Seattle did it against better, better teams. And I think Seattle's more explosive. But when a team, I mean, here it is, they both average 5.9 yards of play. They both got 41% on third down. They both allowed exactly 17 points. They both only lost three games. They both won nine games by 10 points. Seattle's offense, I think it's fair to say with JSN and Darnold, it's, it's a little more explosive. But I, I would also say, Jason, the weakness of both teams is probably the offensive line that we look at it and we think, not great. Seattle left side got gray zable in the draft. I think it's a little better. Will Campbell, the Patriots, God. Although he's been roughed up by some of the better edge rushers, but they're kind of mirror images. Defensive coach really dominated their side with wins. Could be a little reckless at times. We've seen it with Drake, man, the playoffs. We saw it with Sam Darnold. O lines are not the strength. Excellent secondaries, ball hawking, fast linebackers and they just, they've been on a heater, it feels like for three and a half months.
Albert Breer
It's tough to wrap your arms around this when, you know, in recent years we've seen Dom utterly dominant Eagles, the Chiefs going for the three peat, Joe Burrow. I mean you, you, you just had amazing games and teams and con. Let's be real these for. I mean we were probably week 11 in the herd hierarchy and none of these teams were top five. I mean, they're just not great teams. They had really good seasons. There's. There's an NBA corollary here. Or it's like, hey, they, they put up great stats. Almost like an okc. We're blowing teams out, but I think they're not great teams.
Colin Cowherd
Would, I would disagree if Seattle wins, let's say 31, 20.
Albert Breer
Okay.
Colin Cowherd
And then you look back and say they dominated the Super Bowl. They beat a Rams team twice that we thought was the best team in the league. They literally shut Kyle Shanahan's offense out twice. Shut it out. That's never happened with Shanahan. Then you start adding it up and going, oh, and they blew out that team. And that. I think Seattle's different. I think if Seattle wins by comfortably, you'll go back and look at the book and you'll start reading the chapters and go, oh, yeah, now that's 10 games they've won. I mean, in pro football, if you win 10 games, including the super bowl by double digits, that's rare. Remember, NFC was the better conference. Yeah. So, I mean, I've never seen defense.
Albert Breer
Is great, but like the Rams defense that won the super bowl against the Bengals had Aaron Donald, a historically great hall of Famer. Real quick, Colin, give me a Hall of Famer from the Seahawks defense. They got a lot of good guys.
Colin Cowherd
I like that rookie safety.
Albert Breer
You're the rookie safety whose name we can't even pronounce.
Colin Cowherd
My guess is Witherspoon will end up in Canton.
Albert Breer
That's way premature. Like, he's really good. They got some All Pros, but, like, they're just not. Who's the number one player? When you do your top 10, who's the number one player in the super bowl, You can't say Drake May. I'm sorry. He's had a really good season, but he's not the best player in the Super Bowl.
Colin Cowherd
The best player in the Super Bowl.
Albert Breer
Christian Gonzalez, he's really good. This is a weird.
Colin Cowherd
I would say JSN's the number one player in the Super Bowl.
Albert Breer
I don't totally disagree with that.
Colin Cowherd
And I think he right now is the best receiver in this.
Albert Breer
And by the way, a year ago at this time, he was Clearly, a number two on the Seahawks. And when they traded the number one, oh, what are they going to do at receiver? So, like, he had an amazing season. I love him. But it's just a wacky Maybe. Maybe this is me justifying why I missed so many games in the NFL playoffs. I got so many bets wrong because I didn't. I mean, nobody saw these two teams coming. Did anybody have a futures ticket on a Patriots Seahawks Super Bowl?
Colin Cowherd
Well, nobody had that. I think. No. I will say I like you. I read a lot of the Athletic. I think mid season people were like, I mean, I'll tell you a moment for me. You know how sometimes you learn more in a bad job experience than a good one? Right? And I've said that before. When you go back to the Seahawks schedule. This is crazy. If I told you. Yeah, they played the Rams in la. Darnold had four picks. You're like, oh, they got the, you know, oh, no, no. They were driving for the win in their loss. My takeaway was what team in the league could throw four picks against the Rams? And it was 2119 in LA. If I said the Rams played Minnesota four picks, you'd be like 38 to 10. The Seahawks lose a game and they literally, it is bakery turnovers for three and a half hours. And they almost won that game. That was a moment where I was like, God, how good are they?
Albert Breer
Are you ready for the play of the NFL season? The singular play that changed everything? The two point conversion Seattle Rams, where it goes off the helmet, everybody stops. Charbonnet just scoops it up. They review it and it's a good two point conversion that got them essentially the tie. And they end up winning that game in overtime. If they don't get that, the Rams get home field advantage and the Seahawks are nowhere near this game. Like Colin. That's how fluky this season was. And I know Seahawks fans are upset hearing that. Have you ever seen a play like that, that two point conversion?
Colin Cowherd
No, it was weird.
Albert Breer
It was weird. Everybody stopped playing. The refs were like. And then he just scoops it up and wait a minute, that was a backward pass. It's just been a crazy season. Hopefully we get a good game and the Seahawks winning comfortably.
Colin Cowherd
I, I think we will. J. Mac live in LA. It's the herd. One more herd.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Brought it here to iHeart. I'm also doing a live radio show.
Colin Cowherd
From 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stugatsi company Live, which is.
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Available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day.
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Some of the biggest names in sports.
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A lot of phone calls.
Albert Breer
I love you guys show. It's one of my favorites.
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A lot of interaction, guys not taking themselves too seriously.
Colin Cowherd
Those are just some of the things.
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So listen to Stugouts Co. Live and our original podcast.
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App, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. All right. Two Truths and a lie. Here we go. I went to college with college football coach Jim McElwaine, I began my broadcasting career doing play by play for the Las Vegas Stars, and I've been a Verizon customer for 15 years. Okay, I lied. All three are true. Verizon isn't as expensive as you think. In fact, if you bring in your ATT or T Mobile bill to a Verizon store, they'll give you a better deal. That's right, a better deal on the best network with the most ways to save on plans, streaming and phone deals. So take that AT and T or T Mobile bill to your local Verizon store today. Get a better deal, then start saving based on root metrics. Best Overall Mobile Network Performance U.S. 2nd Half 2025 All Rights Reserve must provide recent consumer mobile bill in the name of the person redeeming the deal. Additional terms, conditions and restrictions apply.
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News not everything's terrible. We repeat, not everything is terrible. The ripple effect is proof that the Internet hasn't ruined humanity entirely. Hosted by Jenna Kim Jones and it's funny and uplifting. Podcast spotlights the quiet, powerful ways people still choose good each episode features real stories of kindness, of barbers changing more than just their client's haircut, of the secret life, of leftover hotel soap, of vending machines that dispense just the help somebody needs like magic. If you're tired of outrage, if your thumbs are sore from doom scrolling, or if you just need a reason to smile again, this podcast is your new favorite scroll break. It's heartfelt, hopeful, a gentle reminder. Goodness is still out there. Surprisingly contagious too. So put down your phone, pick up your faith in humanity and join Jenna for the ripple effect. It's a reminder that you can start a ripple that changes everything. Listen to the ripple effect on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Lavo Arrington from Up on Game. This message is brought to you by Apple Card. It's a great time to apply for an Apple Card. You'll love earning unlimited daily cash on every purchase. That includes 3% daily cash when you buy the latest iPhone, AirPods and Apple Watch at Apple through this special referral offer. When you get a new Apple Card, you can earn bonus daily cash. To qualify you must apply@apple.co Get Daily Cash Apple Card issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA Salt Lake City Branch offer may not be available elsewhere. Terms and limitations apply. Highly recommend that Netflix special the boys of 80. It is the, you know, the Miracle on Ice, Lake Placid. It's an incredibly deep dive on that. Maybe it's generational, but I can't watch that without getting very emotional. Talking about it makes me emotional. So it's one of those sports moments and I haven't had many. I remember exactly where I was. I remember the color of the carpet. I remember the color and the painting on the wall. When I had heard somebody rushed out because I wasn't allowed to watch it in this bar area where I was at a bowling alley. Everybody was screaming, we just beat the Russians. And I couldn't watch it live so I went and watched it on tape and I was at a local bowling alley and I can really, I remember just not being able because they had beaten Czechoslovakia. It was a different world where you just, you waited for the newspaper to get information. You didn't have it like we have today. So I just so strongly, strongly recommend our audience, our sport fans, sports fans, go watch that. And again, it maybe touches me more if you're over 45, 50. It's I remember where America was at and you know, gas lines. We were not in a good space as a country and you know, for a lot of 20 and 30 year olds, it's all rainbows and birds chirping and AI and life's fun.
Albert Breer
I know you've talked about it, but the Tyson Buster Douglas, remember, it was in like Japan or China.
Colin Cowherd
Oh, yeah.
Albert Breer
So. And as a young guy, I would only get my news through the Washington Post. And it was, it ended so late, they didn't have it in the paper the next day. But there was all these local TV things saying, oh, but Mike Tyson lost. I mean, do you remember that? It was like you didn't get the news.
Colin Cowherd
I texted with somebody in Las Vegas a week ago that said, do you remember where we were at? And you kept running back to your car because you were listening and to the fight. And I would go listen to my car. It was on an AM radio station in Vegas. And then in between rounds, I would run in with my friends and say, Tyson just lost round six. And so everybody was at this party, this corporate party. And then I would go, okay, I gotta go. And I would listen to the fight on radio. It just, you know, now we watch everything live and it's just, it's just not the way it works. So I just, I highly recommend you go watch it. Albert Breer next hour. Lincoln Riley as well. Herdline news around the corner in la, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am.
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The two best teams in the Big east battle it out on Fox Friday. Hoops second ranked UConn fights for the top spot in the country against St. John's Friday night, 8 Eastern on Fox.
Colin Cowherd
You know, watching a little Michigan, Michigan State, you just pointed this out to me during the break. The Big Ten is not only the best football conference, now that Indiana is a powerhouse. Big Ten basketball this year.
Albert Breer
Good.
Colin Cowherd
They look really good.
Albert Breer
Nebraska is unbelievable. Purdue, Illinois, it's so loaded. Well, SEC, SEC's second. But I think Big Ten stacked.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And I think what's happened with college sports, it used to be what schools had the most great athletes within their geographic footprint, like the South, Georgia, Florida, Bama, and now it's that matters. But like, who are your top two boosters? Will they write checks? And the Big Ten, you know this. There's not as many jobs in the Midwest, so Big Ten graduates. And these are massive schools. They go to the coast to make money or the south, but they always miss the Big Ten. One of the things that takes them home, it's not the weather. You know, the weather's better out west or the weather's better in Arizona or the South. But what always connects Midwesterners who leave is their teams and they, to a large degree, they'll write those checks. And right now it's just the nil has literally turned the Big Ten into a great brand with sort of soggy athletics. Brands were better than the product into. The brand's great and the product's unbelievable. If you, if you change uniforms and just say Indiana football is a top 10 program. And if you look at their NIL and their coach, they are. Yeah. You're like, oh, Michigan, Oregon, usc, Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana. I watched Iowa last year and there's some farmers with some lettuce. Because I watched Iowa and I'm like, they're not that far off. Yeah. So J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news.
Albert Breer
This is the Herd line news. All right, let's go to the Super Bowl. And jsn, you said he's probably the best player in the Super Bowl. Tough to disagree. After his 119 catches for a league high 1793 yards, 10 tutties, he became the first Seahawks player to lead the NFL in receiving yards since Steve Largen. Steve larger with the iconic helmet, Mike Vrabel knows he'll have his hands full planning for the all pro, sudden, savvy.
Matt Hasselbeck
Competitive, really good play strength for, you know, he's his stature you wouldn't think.
Colin Cowherd
You know, I mean, it's not got. That's a 6, 3, 220 pound receiver but he's got great play strength. He's really good contested catch, but I think good route, craft, understanding in zone. And man, great body control. I love all the terminology he uses. Vrabel's a really sharp. He's a really sharp guy, man.
Albert Breer
He's. As much as we talk about Sam.
Colin Cowherd
Jarl, in the history of football.
Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah.
Colin Cowherd
Who is the best ex player who was a coach? Oh, boy.
Albert Breer
I mean, again, I'll defer to you on that one.
Colin Cowherd
No, I, I mean, you start looking around. I watch Mike Vrabel and I'm like, never forget this. Got to be a number one seed in the afc.
Albert Breer
Oh, with Ryan Tannehill.
Colin Cowherd
That's when, when. I mean, it's like, again, didn't hoist a trophy. But I. Vrabel is, you know, Vrabel's the one guy has never kowtowed ever to Belichick, ever. Brady played the good soldier for years. Vrabel went right after Belichick. Belichick loved Vrabel. In fact, when he was scouting him in college, he said, we're not, we don't have a place to draft you, but when you become available, I'm going to get you. Because they're intellects. I mean, Belichick to appreciate how smart he was. Vrabel's a, I know Mike a little. Texted him a little bit. He's a very unique personality. And I, I, I'm, I'm telling you, they're not three coaches smarter than him in the league. He is really bright.
Albert Breer
See how he schemes up jsn. I would imagine a lot of Christian Gonzalez. Gonzalez, very good cornerback.
Colin Cowherd
Strong.
Albert Breer
He is. I'll give the edge to JSN just because he's a stud. All right, let's go to the second story. This kind of broke over the weekend. Interesting. Colin. The Eagles, they got a great defensive coordinator, Victoria Dick Fangio. However, reports indicate he is mulling retirement and has been since the end of the season. And Philly doesn't have a final decision from him. That's not great news. Obviously. Fangio a masterful defensive coordinator. I. Colin, they were thinking about a Jonathan Gannon move. Remember, he was with the Cardinals. He just landed with the packers as their defensive coordinator. The Eagles plan on checking in with Jim Schwartz. Schwartz, Colin. A lot of coaching changes. So that'll be if Fangio leaves. That's a new O.C.
Colin Cowherd
And D.C. i would say Jim Schwartz would be the leading candidate.
Albert Breer
Yeah, he's very good. This would be an attractive job. They have an elite secondary. Mitchell and DeJean are all pros. The defensive line. Jordan Davis, the other defensive tackle whose name escapes me. The linebackers are good. This is a loaded unit. I don't know why people wouldn't be clamoring to get this job. If Fangio says I'm out.
Colin Cowherd
Coordinator jobs in Philadelphia.
Albert Breer
You think it has to do with Sirianni? Like, hey, what's my job? Security. Sirianni gets tossed, I'm out, too.
Colin Cowherd
That's right. By the way, Mike Ditka, former player who's a coach. I think Brable's a better coach than Ditka. Ditka had the 85 bears.
Albert Breer
85 bears?
Colin Cowherd
Well, no, I mean, they were great, but I. If you're asking me, long term intellect, ability to deal with the media, the players, the cap, I. I think Vrabel's kind of unique.
Albert Breer
Okay. I think as a Chicago guy, now you have to say Dick.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Of course.
Albert Breer
Contractually obligated people don't like that.
Colin Cowherd
I think LeBron. Is everybody as good as MJ in Chicago? Oh, they don't play well.
Albert Breer
Are you catching heat?
Colin Cowherd
You know, I really like your show, but the one thing. And I'm like, is it the Jordan thing? I just. I know what it is before they say it, of course.
Albert Breer
Final story, let's stick with defensive coordinators. And the 49ers lost Robert Salah. Obviously, he's now with the Titans, but they've brought in Raheem Morris, who becomes. Wait for it. This is interesting. San Fran's fifth defensive coordinator in five years. So Shanahan and Morris have a history together. They were with the Bucks, the commanders of Falcons. Raheem Morris, obviously a sharp defensive mind. This is huge for San Fran. And let's remember, they had what, like four starters on IR out for the year? So they'll all come back. This will be a strong unit next year. I think he's a good hire in San Fran.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it's. Shanahan and McVeigh both like him a lot. Very respected guy. Again, I think it's very hard in this league. There is a gap between coordinator and coach. It's hard and you just don't know. Like, Jeff Halfley could be great in Miami or it could be a disaster. I have to watch it.
Albert Breer
Yeah. Well, actually speaking, I have no idea.
Colin Cowherd
How it's going to work.
Albert Breer
You should rank all those new head coaches 1 to 10. The new hires. Halfley might be 10.
Colin Cowherd
Sorry, I don't know.
Albert Breer
We don't know yet.
Colin Cowherd
I know hardball's gonna work. Absolutely And I'm almost sure Stefanski and Sala within two years you'll be like oh yeah that that you're on the right track.
Albert Breer
I mean if you're ranking coordinator hires, I think Morris is probably top four. I think McDaniel is with the Chargers is the best. But this is a really good hire.
Colin Cowherd
It's a great hire.
Albert Breer
By the way, he was he knows the Rams very well which is good institutional knowledge in the division. I think this is good. I just don't know about the Niners next year. Overall, we'll see what happens with McCaffrey.
Colin Cowherd
Well, you can bake in about six games missed by Purdy because he get a, you know, his left finger is achy on a cloudy day.
Albert Breer
Purdy hate. I have a fun Darnold stat for you that relates to Purdy. No, I'm saving that for later in the week. Can't burn all my good stuff on Monday. Come on.
Colin Cowherd
Niners will be fine. It's. But the Seahawks and the Rams. This is nothing against our friend John lynch, but the Seahawks and Rams have hit on a higher percentage of their draft pick. I mean it's, it's. I, I think most people still believe the super bowl was Ram Seahawks. Now Vrabel is going to make sure the Patriots hear that all week. Yeah. But it's. Is that line moved up to five yet?
Matt Hasselbeck
It's.
Albert Breer
I think it's five, four and a half depending on where you shop, as the pro say.
Colin Cowherd
All right. I'm not much of a shopper. J. Mac of the news.
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Colin Cowherd
Stopping by the Herd lie new it is. I'm, you know, I'm glad you watched that Michigan Michigan State game because the it is. It is noticeable. You were when I first met you, you were always a college basketball.
Albert Breer
Still am. I just don't talk about it because I know I got to play to your strengths.
Colin Cowherd
Okay. So and you know the audience is is more pro sports than college sports most of the time. But isn't it noticeable to you how much better college basketball is today than like six years ago?
Albert Breer
Oh, it's not even close.
Colin Cowherd
Like there's just more pros, there's more size and that's the nil.
Albert Breer
By the way, on, on I believe it was Saturday on FS1. It might have been with the the BYU Kansas game. Did you watch?
Colin Cowherd
Oh, first of all, that they're both great. Those are the top two picks. Boozer at Duke's probably three.
Albert Breer
He's good.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. That Peterson kid for Kansas first half.
Albert Breer
He was unbol like he's got he's.
Colin Cowherd
Got cramping issues so he struggles to stay in. If you go watch him and you haven't watched him within three possessions, you will say to yourself, oh, that's what Kobe Bryant would have looked like in college. His game looks like Kobe.
Albert Breer
He looks like the number one pick for sure.
Colin Cowherd
He is really good. He he is struggling to play bonus minutes, but he is special. Think Verizon is expensive? Think again. Anyone can bring their AT and T or T mobile bill to a Verizon store today and we'll give you a better deal. So bring us your bill. Walking, running, pogo sticking, teleport. If you can ride on the back of a rollerblading yak or flyin on the wings of a majestic falcon. Any way you can bring your AT and T or T mobile bill to a Verizon store today and we'll give you a better deal on the best Network based on RootMetric's best overall mobile network performance US 2nd/2025 all rights reserved.
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Episode: Hour 2 – What Players Deal with in the Super Bowl & Why the Seahawks are Favored
Air Date: February 2, 2026
Guests: Matt Hasselbeck, Albert Breer
This episode dives into the unique psychological, strategic, and organizational challenges players and coaches face leading up to the Super Bowl. Colin is joined by Matt Hasselbeck (former NFL QB, Super Bowl starter) reporting from San Francisco, and Albert Breer (NFL journalist). The discussion covers the mental side of preparing for the Super Bowl, the pivotal matchup between the Seahawks and Patriots, and why Seattle is viewed by many as the favorite. Key narratives include how teams handle the Super Bowl spectacle, why offensive line play could decide the game, and whether either finalist is truly “great” or just the survivor of a wild NFL season.
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For listeners curious about the mental and emotional rollercoaster of Super Bowl week, this episode is a masterclass. The hosts break down the technical and human aspects behind why the Seahawks are slight favorites, why neither team fits the “dominant champion” mold, and how small moments—or mistakes—could shape NFL history.
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Football fans interested in the “human element” of the sport, strategy obsessives, and anyone looking to understand what sets Super Bowl week apart for players and staff.