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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong, Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers, CJ Stroud's regression, Matt Hasselbeck
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Leigh Ann
So, I'm Leigh Ann.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Leigh Ann
This is my best friend, Janet.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey.
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Leigh Ann
And we have been joined at the hips since high school.
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Rich Eisen
Absolutely.
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Leigh Ann
A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip, just a little bit bigger.
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Colin Cowherd
Hips.
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Leigh Ann
This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my with all the snacks and drinks, why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, they had a bogo.
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now, let's get this party started.
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Jay Onrait
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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Colin Cowherd
Here we go. Hour two, KNICK Sixers tonight. It's going to be a good one. I am developing a new logo on the show today. I'll tell you what that is later. Feel very strongly about a new logo. Not going to give away too much. Matt Hasselbeck in a couple of minutes. Well, we do it every Monday. Top of the second hour. Where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong. There's a lot of both this week. And here we go.
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Jay Onrait
Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
I never bought into the KD is every bit as good as LeBron. There it is for years. And I think this series, it's what I've always said about kd. He's Aaron Rodgers, it always ends strangely and their hall of Fame talents. But the gap between KD and LeBron was never more. Not just because LeBron was available, he's been a healthier player. But LeBron took basically C plus and B minus level players, no Luca and little bits and pieces of Austin Reaves and dominated the series. And kd, according to the net rating, the Rockets were better without him. That is the gap between the two. It's not just getting a bucket. How do you squeeze talent out of your teammates? Nobody's ever been better, in my opinion, than LeBron James.
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Jay Onrait
Where Colin was wrong.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, the Celtics, the first team to have three different starters not even score in a playoff game. And they've only been tracking that since 1970. So it was pretty bad. Listen, the reality is, once Tatum got hobbled and even before they couldn't stop Embiid, they're so addicted, almost paralyzed by their formula to shoot threes, they shot 100 more threes than Philadelphia and 50 more than any other playoff team. And like I, I get analytics, but when you trail by a point with 350 to go and you're not getting baskets, you're jacking up bad threes and you go, oh for seven. I didn't see that coming.
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Jay Onrait
Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
Sean McVay did support the Ty Simpson pick after a couple of days of digging and reporting. Yes, he knew and had interviewed Ty Simpson for hours previously. This idea that Sean McVay was left in the dark and was perturbed and angry by the pick. Sean McVay is never left in the dark with anything with the Los Angeles Rams. And because they used their other first round pick to solve their real issue, which isn't receiver, it was Corner with Trent McDuffie. They felt this draft was going to be about the future. I never bought into McVeigh's angry. He had no idea what was coming or strongly, vehemently accepted it.
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Jay Onrait
Where Colin was wrong.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, the New York Knicks, at least for the final two games in the Hawks series were great. I've said all year there's too many deficient deficiencies on offense, defense, excuse me, not enough bench scoring. They're a good team. I don't think the NBA has a great team right now, although Oklahoma City has an argument. I think the league's got good to very good teams. And I consider the Knicks to be a good team. But you can attack Brunson defensively, you can attack Cat defensively, but yet you need Cat on the floor. But they won the final three games against Atlanta by 32 points. Mike Brown did a great job coaching, pulling the right levers.
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Jay Onrait
And I was wrong where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
I've said this about Luka, this idea that Luka was perfect. Once again, not available. I know he's a great offensive player, but he and AD have a lot more in common. And everybody picked apart Anthony Davis. And I said Anthony Davis was the best defensive player in the league pre Wemby. He wasn't totally committed to being in shape. And this is the Luka issue. I mean, I'm sorry, but LeBron at 41 has been healthier the last two years than Luka.
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Jay Onrait
I don't think it's a coincidence where Colin was wrong.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, Embiid has never been my favorite, mostly because he's never available. But he was unbelievable in this series. Best player on the floor, 28, nine rebounds, seven assists in the four games in which he played. You know, the durability issues are a real thing. But his comp was Shaq and you could see Boston. That's why they have to go out and get like an Aaron Gordon. They've got to have some athletic length. They've got to have some answers because right now Boston doesn't.
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Jay Onrait
With Joel Embiid, where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, there's a story that Aaron Rodgers is interested in Arizona, which I actually think with Nat Hackett there and those offensive weapons is really interesting to me. But I've said that with Aaron is that if you sign him, he is going to gain some power off indifference. He does not like what he perceives as rigid authority and he is going to test you. So they came out with that kind of quirky tender in Pittsburgh and, and Aaron's answered it. You know, this story leaked because somebody wanted it leaked in the Aaron Rodgers camp. Now he's interested in Arizona where Colin was right when Micah Parsons got dealt. I I thought everybody overreacted. I said rich dealmakers like flexibility, and Jerry Jones doesn't have any. Right now, a year after the Micah Parsons trade, Dallas is going to be deeper, more athletic, more flexible, better against the run. And I like him, but the overreaction. This is not the NBA. Very few players outside of a quarterback or a Saquon Barkley are worth more than a point. And Micah's great, but he's not great against the run. You can't drop him into coverage now. He's coming off an injury. Dallas today is deeper, more versatile, more flexible. It was. I'm not saying it's a great trade, but it wasn't the disaster that everybody
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Jay Onrait
claimed where Colin was wrong.
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Colin Cowherd
I love Malik Willis. I think he's going to be a big winner. But he threw it a first pitch at a Marlins game, and I am deeply concerned. This rivals 50 Cent for the worst first pitch of all time. I had the Dolphins at 5 wins. I am downgrading them to none. This is troubling Malik Willis. Now, I've been told that Michael Jordan had an awful first pitch and so did Mahomes. I don't know what I'm watching. I've done three of them, maybe four, and they didn't look like that. The over under just plummeted in Vegas. And with that, Matt Hasselbeck is joining us live. It should be noted that I know you had more than a few, and we went and looked up yours. And first of all, you look 12. Here's the second thing to show you now how old you are. Hasselback. Dan Wilson's now the manager of the Mariners.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, and thank God Dan Wilson is 6 foot 7 also, because that thing was high and right. And he framed it for me, you know, down somewhere near six foot six. Listen, I can sympathize with Malik a little bit. It's a big difference going from that football size to the baseball size. You know, it's during the OTAs. I mean, I remember one year I was throwing out a first pitch and my legs were quivering from four sets of ten. On the. On the squat, you know, how much can you squat? Like, earlier in the day. And I remember you go down underneath in the dugout and you're kind of like warming up down there. You're getting loose, but there is pressure. And, you know, that's a terrible, terrible outing for him. That's a. That's a bad look. But as long as he can throw the football, that's what people are going to care about. But this is something he's going to have to overcome. And this is like my biggest fear right here, realized through somebody else.
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Colin Cowherd
So I want to throw this out to you. Is that so? The Steelers kind of come up with this quirky tender, which I'd never heard of, and it's kind of telling Aaron, speed her up, pal. Like, come on, we want to get. Then a week later, shocking story comes out. Aaron's interested in Arizona, and I don't blame him at all. This is called gamesmanship. But J. Mac and I were talking about this. I said, okay, Aaron's a West coast guy. He's got Nat Hackett, an offensive coach. Arizona's got. Now that they have Jeremiah Love with Algiers. I'm like, wait, timeout. They have a real run game. I don't think this is just gamesmanship. If I want to play one more year in this league and Arizona is going to pay me, what are they going to pay me more than. I mean, I don't know. I think this is real. If I was Aaron, my place in Malibu, I can fly. If I have a bi week. This feels real to me. Does it feel real to you?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah. And I don't know if the order is the same in my mind. You know, it might be like, I just know how it is when you're a veteran quarterback and you've played for all these different coaches, you talk to them, even if it's just socially, you know. And Aaron Rodgers is like, you know, affection for Nathaniel Hackett, it's well known, it's well documented. Like, you just. I have those guys in my life. You just talk to them all the. And it, you know, you talk about your team. Oh, yeah, we're good, man. Like, we got a great wide receiver. You know, Marvin, he's so great. And we got this tight end. He's the best I've ever seen. And, you know, we're going to get this guy in the draft, this running back, you know, we just need, you know, we just need Jacoby to play, you know, at elite level, you know, that kind of thing. Like, you kind of just, like, you dance around it. But I think this is more than anything for the Steelers. They're just protecting themselves. And this is why I sold you before. Like, I just think this was Aaron Rodgers waiting to see how the draft played out. Do I think he ends up in Pittsburgh still? Yes, I do. But. But I do think that he doesn't mind toying with everybody the way that he does, especially in the media. I will say this, though. His teammates Love him like his Pittsburgh Steelers teammates, they respect him. And for me, that's the number one thing. I was at the draft. I was in Pittsburgh and just around a lot of the current Steeler guys. Like, that's their guy. They're fully, fully counting on him showing up in Pittsburgh and trying to make a run at the Lombardi. So it would be shocking to me if it did go the other way.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so I do a herd hierarchy. After all the coaching hires, after the free agency signings and after the draft, and in fact, the day after the draft. I don't count your entire draft. I say I'll take your top two to three picks because I can say your first, second round guys, and then I'll take your top free agents. People think I have the Bills high. I do not have the Patriots in. I still think they're depending on young guys on the offensive line, and I think that's a position that is very difficult. I mean, I love Charles Cross for the Seahawks. It took him years as a really good prospect to really get his feet under him in Seattle at the left tackle. I think O line's the hardest position outside a quarterback to play. So I go Rams, Bill, Seahawks, Bears, Broncos, Lions, Chiefs, Texans, Eagles, Chargers. Anything that just jumps out to you.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, the thing that jumps out to me is what every single coach said to me at the start of every single year. And I heard Mike McDonald even say it to his team this year. Last year is last year. It makes no difference. We could have the same exact guys in this room. It's a new year. It's what Mike Holmgren said to the Seattle Seahawks every year. It's what Bill Walsh said to the 49ers. It's what Bill Parcell said to the New York Giants. And so you just go back to last year. You got teams like Kansas City, Detroit, Baltimore, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, not even in the playoffs. Like, all of a sudden, Seattle and New England, teams that didn't even make the playoffs, are now in the Super Bowl. You got teams like Chicago, Jacksonville, Carolina. So what you're doing here is really, really difficult to do, to kind of forecast that, because every year is different. And so that's why I think there are teams that aren't on your list. I would say, like, maybe the Dallas Cowboys. I know what Schottenheimer is saying in Dallas. He's saying, guys, like, we can do this. Look what Seattle just did. Look what New England just did. Like, we can do this. This is what our offense is. We're rolling here's. Our plan. Here's what our plan is on defense, you know, so there's teams just like that. I would use the Cowboys as a good example. And I think there's a lot of question marks here with your list, like, what's Mahomes situation? Like sometimes when you rush back from certain injuries, you're actually putting yourself more at risk. Like that's a thing. I understand the competitiveness, but he's a big chess piece in this thing that you have going there.
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Colin Cowherd
So we were, you know, we were talking about CJ Stroud earlier, and I saw a story with some anonymous quotes and, and it's, it's funny about how it works. CJ Stroud, since he arrived, the O line's never healthy either are the running backs. Last year, their top two receivers were out for the playoffs. And everybody said, boy, he really regressed. And my take is, folks, he's got more playoff wins than Dak. The same number as Lamar Herbert's never won a playoff game. Trevor Lawrence has won one. And I know everybody says, well, the defense is great. I don't care. Playoff games, you have to make big throws. Trent do for one a Super bowl, made one big throw. You still have to make the big throw. How does somebody who played in this game for 20 years, how do you view his regression? I tend to say he doesn't have anything to work with. If you took Puka and Devonte Adams out of a playoff game, Matt Stafford wouldn't look good. How do you view Stroud?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I'm a huge fan, let me say that. But his game, his last game in the playoffs this year was so atrocious that these are the kinds of questions that he's going to ask, going to be asked about or that we're going to be asked about about him. And his rookie year set the bar so high. His vision was like, otherworldly as a rookie. He was incredible. His playmaking ability downfield was incredible. And then his sophomore year, his second year, he just got beat up so bad. I mean, it was almost like. It was like a different. Did look like a different guy out there. And I do think that affects a quarterback, especially a young quarterback. Then you throw on top of that, you know, he's got all these different offensive coordinators year after year after year. And that is a challenge. Like I'm just telling you, for a veteran quarterback, that's a challenge. So if, if he gets to a place where, like, I'll use this as an example, sometimes you can get so off balance As a quarterback, like, hey, great job on the deep shot, but don't take too many sacks, but protect yourself. But hey, do this, get a first down, like it just, it gets to be too much. And so like one of the best things that I've heard, like when I was in kind of this situation was the play caller saying to me, hey, listen, you worry about getting completions and I'll worry about us getting conversions, meaning third down conversions. And then you just get into that mindset where like, hey, I'm just getting completions, completions, completions. And his talent is so great that the big plays will come. But what I saw late in the year and at times last year was a guy that was a little off balance with what he was being asked to do and how he was going to accomplish getting it done.
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Colin Cowherd
So when, you know we're going to start having camps here and the young guys show up and you know, this almost goes back to Matt Stafford. Doesn't necessarily need to be, you know, it's the same receiving group. Their first pick was a quarterback. When you did you feel it was necessary as a veteran quarterback, if you're not changing coaches like a staffer, do you think camp matters? Because you know, the new CBA years ago, they've cut down practices, guys don't wear pads. The in season practices. To me, I always thought there was probably you probably old school, probably practice more than you needed to. What do you make over the next 10, 12 weeks of these practices? These mandatory. How did you feel as a veteran?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, it's camaraderie that's the biggest thing. You know, sometimes, sometimes these elite players, they have their own strength and conditioning coach and they prefer that person over the team strength and conditioning coach. And so sometimes it's just that like I feel like I've got personalized, detailed all for me kind of workouts going on and for the team it's just like, hey, I got like 88 guys and hey, let's, we got to get this done in like the 95 minutes that the NFLPA gives us. And so everyone's doing kind of a similar workout. So like some of it's that kind of stuff. But no, I think when you're the franchise quarterback, maybe it's not for you, but you being there is great for everybody else. Maybe it's the number two quarterback and the number three quarterback. Their job is to make their cadence sound exactly like your cadence. So who's that going to help? That's going to help the center? It's Going to help your tackles, going to help your tight ends. You know, all of a sudden you're like, red 80 ready. Like that rhythm is the rhythm. But if you're not around to like set the standard and set the rhythm, how's your backup doing that, especially if it's a young guy? So, you know, I think the camaraderie is a big thing. Those, those lunch table kind of conversations with the coaches who are trying to come up with, like, what are we going to be good at this year? Hey, guys, I really like this. I don't like that. What do you think? It's a good idea, but what if we did this with it? You know, all those kinds of things. I think there's major value in your star player being there.
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Colin Cowherd
Matt Hasselbeck. Let's say, you know, that, that first pitch, you're smiling when you, when you do it because you're, you're, you want, you want to give the impression that I'm just having fun. I'm really at ease here. There's a little nervousness.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, you know what? I did too. You know what? I did too. I was so sore, but I wore like a double X untucked shirt because I didn't want my arm to get caught. It's like you go to those charity events and you're wearing like a sport coat and they say, hey, autograph a football and then throw it to someone in the ballroom. Like, man, I got a, I got like a 44 slim jacket on right now. Like, I don't know if I can throw a strike right now. It's tough. You got to think about the outfit, too. Sorry about the hat. I apologize in advance or in retrospect about the backwards hat. I know that probably bothered you.
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Colin Cowherd
You know what? I'll get. It's a one time thing, you know,
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Matt Hasselbeck
I think it was every time.
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Colin Cowherd
Good seeing you.
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Matt Hasselbeck
All right, see ya.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you know, I'm gonna do. Speaking of that, I've got a. I'm, I'm unveiling a new logo. I'm not going to do it yet. I'm going to. This hour. I'm unveiling a new logo. So when I put it on the show, you'll just know the kind of mood I'm in. Like, you'll know something is it doesn't agree with me or I want to make sometimes, you know, better left unsaid. Well, better left logoed. Sometimes, like I just. My logo will speak for me. And that's coming up around the corner.
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Jay Onrait
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, it's Cavino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio.
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Rich from Fox Sports Radio
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Superhuman Athlete
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Tom Bogart
American soccer is about to explode.
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Tab Ramos
The World cup is coming.
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Rich Eisen
Ramos sending on Ernie Stewart the Chip Score
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Colin Cowherd
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Tab Ramos
I'm not worried about Pulisic. I'm not worried about Baligan. I'm not worried about McKinney. My only concern is what happens in the back.
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Tom Bogart
The biggest decisions.
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Tab Ramos
You're going to look at stats and numbers. He has no shot at making this World cup team.
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Tom Bogart
And the truth about the US national
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Tab Ramos
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Tom Bogart
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Colin Cowherd
Knicks favored over the Sixers. Gonna be a great series. I think Minnesota, San Antonio is tighter than everybody thinks. You know, it's. It's. You know, usually the first round of the NBA playoffs are very chalk, but we don't have a lot of great teams right now. We have good teams. And when you get good, you know, that's why, like, in the NCAA Tournament there this year, there weren't a lot of upsets. And the reason being there were three or four really exceptional teams. And, you know, in the NBA, you know, Oklahoma City is a handful, but even San Antonio, as good as they are, it's all kids. So Minnesota's got massive experience. Advantage experience, Coach. I. I think it's a really interesting, really compelling series. Here's J. Mack with the news.
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Colin Cowherd
Turn on the news.
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Jay Onrait
This is the Herdline news.
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Rich Eisen
Let's go back to Boston, Philadelphia, Colin, Just a crazy series. Celtics fall apart. No Jason Tatum, Game 7. And then afterward, Jaylen Brown decided he wanted to go on his Twitch account and tell all his buddies who the biggest flopper in the league is. Colin, are you really. Should you really be doing this? After the loss? Here's Jaylen Brown.
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Jaylen Brown
Credit to the 76ers. Credit to join Embiid. I still think he flopped entirely. Way too much. Some of y' all don't even know what flopping is in the chat. Like, some of y' all clearly don't know basketball. Y' all don't know what flopping is. Flopping is exaggerating contact. That's already there. It's not about drawing contact or drawing fouls. Nobody has a problem with drawing fouls. That's a part of the game. Use your brains. That's the thing about this basketball era, where y' all have turned your brains off and just look at analytics. I have no Idea what y' all talking about. Drawing flowers is fine. I don't complain about nobody drawing fouls. Flopping and exaggerating. Contact is different.
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Colin Cowherd
I love Jaylen Brown, but he exaggerates contact occasionally. The smart guys, everybody does.
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Rich Eisen
SGA leads the league in exaggerating contact.
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Colin Cowherd
Now there is too much of it. I think it's obnoxious. I don't think fans like it. So I think that's a, that's a tweak the NBA could make as a small tweak. It's not, you know, it's like the NFL tweaked the PAT or tweak a catch rule. I think that's a tweak in the off season. There's a. Especially if Oklahoma City wins it again and flopping becomes a huge story in the NBA playoffs or NBA Finals or there's like one or two big plays. But there's a. There's a. There's a ton of it. I mean, it's obnoxious. And again, it can be officiated out. You know it and I know it. You can officiate stuff in or out.
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Rich Eisen
It's similar, Colin, to these quarterbacks who exaggerate contact and flop in the pocket and get. Now, 15 yard penalties are more punitive than a couple free throws. So this happens in all of sports. It's kind of annoying, but it is what it is. And Joel, this sounds like sour grapes from Jaylen Brown. I mean, you guys got beat and beat came back in the series and he kicked your butts. I'm really curious. So, Colin, the league kind of got what it's wanted, right? It doesn't want dynasties. It doesn't want the 2017 war. It doesn't want that. So now we're seeing Denver get bounced in the first round and all of a sudden their roster is like, where are the guys? Boston had to get rid of all three of its centers to get under the second apron.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Rich Eisen
And now it's like, Boston, Derrick White, remember how good he was as the fourth?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, now they'll probably move him to get Aaron Gordon.
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Rich Eisen
Well, I don't know what the market's going to be for Derrick White when he looks so bad in the series. I mean, it's. I don't like what the NBA has done, you know, with the new salary cap structure and the aprons.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think that my. I don't think tanking's the biggest problem. I think it's an incredible draft and there's like nine great players and Shock. Shocking. Nine teams are tanking, I don't think. I think it's very situational based on the best draft in 10 years. And that's why you're getting so much tanking. So I think there's a couple of issues. Some are small, the flopping. The other thing, I think the NBA makes it really hard to trade.
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Jared Odono
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Now, there was always the matching salary component, but now with the new aprons, it's really hard to trade. Well, if you're. It's just like anything else. If, you know, if I limit certain ways for you to. To produce anything. Income, you know, well, then you're. That's when you get tax cheating. That's when you get under the table. You know, dark economy is when. Well, this. This. This state is taxing me here. Or it's harder to make money. So that's people. It's like water. It finds its way. And the NBA makes it so difficult to trade, so easy to trade. In the NFL, yeah, you can trade draft picks. And so I think what's happening is the tanking is a byproduct of that. So I almost feel like. And they're stuck with this cba. I wish they could tweak it, but it's terrible.
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Rich Eisen
I mean, Colin, Boston fans now are literally talking about, shoot, do we build around Tatum or Brown going forward? Because like you said, they soak up so much of the cap to move off Derrick White and guys like Baylor, Shireman. Those are like guys who are like your 9th, 10th, 11th guys. They're starting a playoff game. Like Boston is totally devoid of talent. And I just. I don't love that for the league. And our next story, if we should move to the Denver Nuggets, they're about. They're. They're kind of up against it, too. You know, Denver, obviously, they've got major issues. They say the coach, David Adelman, is safe, but apparently they're taking calls on everybody except for Nicola Jokic.
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Colin Cowherd
I love this. That's exactly what they should do.
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Rich Eisen
The problem is Jamal Murray is one of the guys. Now, Colin, I know Jamal Murray didn't have a great series. His shooting splits well. He's 35%. He 26 from 3.
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Colin Cowherd
Denver needs to get more athletic. And Jamal Murray is an excellent scorer. He's not hyper athletic rich relative to the Western Conference. He's not. He's a great scorer. He is a great Robin to the Batman with Jokic. They played so many games together, but he's not athletic. He's got some durability issues. And Aaron Gordon's got a big market, too. So I think both those guys. This is a great draft. The next couple of drafts, I think Denver has to get younger and athletic.
- [31:11]
Rich Eisen
Now.
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Colin Cowherd
It was different, you know, with Giannis. I said I'd move him out of town, but Giannis is built on athleticism, and when his injuries start compiling, yeah, he's not going to age as well. Jokic is different. Jokic, his game is on shooting, distribution, screening. He's going to age much better. So to me, I would have moved Giannis three years ago and gotten a boatload of picks and players. Jokic, it's different. I would move everybody. Now you could say, well, they just signed Jamal Murray to a big contract. Jamal Murray's got a huge market. I mean, good God, C.J. mcCollum's got a market. Jamal Murray's gonna have a market.
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Rich Eisen
He's got two years, $111 million.
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Colin Cowherd
He's an all Star level. Yeah. First of all, he made an All Star team in the West. What do you think he's going to be in the East?
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Rich Eisen
So here's the real issue. So last year, they had to move off Michael Porter Jr. Remember, who was clearly their number three guy offensively, because they couldn't afford it. They don't want to pay the. The second apron tax. So they downshift to Cameron Johnson, who was a complete waste with them. He was. You know, you're thinking, okay, it didn't. Maybe we can get 75% of MPJ.
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Colin Cowherd
It didn't.
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Rich Eisen
It was terrible. And so now Gordon's taking on more of a load. He gets hurt. I don't know, man. Again, this is the league. They're tinkering too much, Colin, like the Nuggets are. They're done. Their run is over. Okay, I don't want to remember that. A couple of years ago, you were like, they got the best starting five.
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Colin Cowherd
They're built, but they had to move off a bunch of, like, fifth starters. That's what happened is that all the edges, all the margin players, you know, so I listen, Boston and Denver and the Lakers are really talented, but all three of those teams feel like, especially Denver and the Lakers, it's like, guys, you've got to get more athletic. You've got to get longer, twitchier, more athletic. And I, I just. Because you have a star in this league, it depends on what you surround. They're. They're struggling in la surrounding Luka with great young defensive players. In Denver, they're struggling with Jokic to Surround him with more and offensive guys now, remember, they move Murray regular season
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Rich Eisen
for when people want to go excited next year. The Nuggets won like 15 in a row down the stretch, remember? And they were like the hottest. Lakers went 15 and 2 in March. Best season, best month in the season. None of that stuff matters. Final story con. Let's go to the Buffalo Bills. Brandon Bean. He's taken a lot of flack in Buffalo from radio hosts, from you, me, everybody's piling on him, but he says, no one's angrier than me. Talking about their lack of Super Bowls. He was talking to Tyler Dunn and then of course, he, you know, wedged in there. Well, you know, we, we did have a 17 year drought without doing anything. And then I showed up. So I. Listen, I don't know about this Bean guy.
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Colin Cowherd
I, I will, I, I will tell you. Is that, and I'm guilty of this too. Sometimes, you know, we, we fill three hours a day. Sometimes the easy stories, we move toward them. It's, it's good content. People make noise. The Brandon Bean doesn't know what he's doing is a little unfair. It's an offensive league. And if I said to you, if you count quarterback, left tackle, running back, tight end group and wide receiver talent, Buffalo is near the top of the league now because of Josh Allen's salary. There's limitations on. You can't stack both sides. Go ask the, Go ask the Chiefs. They have no run game. You know, they have defensive holes. Why? Cause they pay Mahomes. So. But this idea that Buffalo doesn't know what they're doing. Sound ownership, a lot of offensive weapons, they're a bad call away from playing in the AFC championship. A pretty dicey call. Wait, what was it against Denver?
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Rich Eisen
Oh, the Denver game. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, I think we got to slow down on, you know, Brandon Bean doesn't know what he's doing. The Keon Coleman shocker, a first, you know, a high round wide receiver came in and wasn't really mature. Welcome to the NFL. Like that's, like that, that's an annual event.
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Rich Eisen
Well, I think it feels like he's taken a victory lap for falling ass backwards into Josh Allen, who, by the way, wasn't the number one overall pick and oh, by the way, completed like 56% of his passes as a rookie. So it's not like Bean developed Josh Allen. That was Brian Dable, who he ran out of town in a power struggle. So, like, this Buffalo Beans.
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Colin Cowherd
Beans job isn't to develop him. It's to draft him.
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Rich Eisen
Okay. And then you look at his other draft picks and other people have broken it down and they're like holy cow, this guy's whiffing on almost everything. He's at best a C drafter Post Josh.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, he's known, Brandon Bean is known as very good with the cap. That's his reputation more than just like John Snyder is known as a brilliant personnel guy. Yeah, right. Like that's, that's, that's been, I've been saying this for five years. That's what he's known the guy Holmes in Detroit.
- [35:58]
Rich Eisen
Brad Holmes.
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Tab Ramos
Yeah, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
He's tremendous. He's a great personnel guy and everybody's got strength. Brandon's known very good with a cap. There's things he's not terrible at it. I mean I, I, I thought the receiver they got from Yukon, I thought that was a really clever pick and this was about a five round draft. I, I think, I think he's better than, you know. Listen, a lot of these front office guys, they got egos. They can be thin skinned, you know,
- [36:24]
Rich Eisen
a lot of egotistical. To bring in a yes man in
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Colin Cowherd
Brady to be again, this is you're taking a shot. He brought in a pot. Josh Allen loves him, right. So he brings in Joe Brady, moves him up in the organization. They didn't want a drastic change. It, I don't know if it's the move I would have made. I think it's a solid move.
- [36:45]
Rich Eisen
You say I'm taking a shot. I mean the guy's dropping his gloves every draft just waiting to get drilled in the face.
- [36:50]
Colin Cowherd
Wait, don't be shocked if Skyler Bell. Who? The receiver. The receiver.
- [36:55]
Jared Odono
What?
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Colin Cowherd
Do not be, don't be shocked if he's kind of. You look up about Thanksgiving, you're like in a bad draft. What Was he a 4th round mid pick?
- [37:05]
Rich Eisen
I felt that way about Dalton Kincaid and now we call him Dalton first aid on the show because he's hurt.
- [37:10]
Colin Cowherd
Everybody was a first round. He was the best tight end in a draft. This was a terrible draft. If they can get a productive offensive player in the fourth round, that is great gming because this was a draft that was awful at the top and worse at the bottom.
- [37:26]
Rich Eisen
Who's winning that division, Bills or Patriots?
- [37:28]
Colin Cowherd
Bills.
- [37:29]
Rich Eisen
Okay. If the Patriots. With that schedule and the drama surrounding Vrabel.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [37:33]
Rich Eisen
Brandon Bean. Just get out of town, bro. It's over.
- [37:36]
Colin Cowherd
All right.
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Colin Cowherd
And thanks for stopping by the herd life I have a fire hose of water to cool down the takes from JMag. Buffalo's fine. They're fine.
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Colin Cowherd
So I think it's a really interesting stat. I think it's a fascinating stat. So for years and years, I've been on a couple of different rants and one of them is analytics. And the analytics crowd wants you to think if you don't agree with it down the line, you're unsophisticated. But my take has always been, well, what are the circumstances? Why should I be? When the Celtics are down one with 349 left and they take seven threes and go, oh, for seven, you watch the game, I watch the game. I'm like, these are terrible shots. Get a basket. So I just looked this up. Of the 11 teams in the NBA that shot the most threes, one remains Cleveland. And they're not going to be around long. That's it. Cleveland. So I've said that about, like, in baseball, there are certain things that make sense in a long regular season and the math does work out. But all the bad teams are out of the playoffs. So now you're placing, you're playing good teams, the best coaches and the best teams. You need baskets, not math. And so like Boston shot 100 more threes than Philadelphia and Philadelphia controlled the last several games. And you didn't take much to figure out. Boston was kind of a one trick pony. And it's the same in baseball. If you look at Dave Roberts in game seven of the World Series, were those brilliant analytic moves all of them, or one of them was like, yeah, it's an old guy. I just kind of feel it. And it worked. And they put like Rojas in the game. It's like I just kind of feel it. The math doesn't necessarily make sense. My gut is telling me. And so that's my whole take on all the three point revolution in basketball. And the Daryl Moreys is that if you go look like small ball was another one. Oh, small ball. Look at who's left. Embiid, Cat and Mitchell Robinson, Evan Mobley, Wemby, Chet Holmgren. Go Bear. Biggs and Giannis would be. But Milwaukee three years ago clung to old guys and got scared. But I mean it's a lot of big guys left in the big. I mean Wemby's going to dominate a series and Holmgren has incredible value. And Embiid was the best guy on the floor. And Cat was in has the highest plus minus of any player in the playoffs. Cat has the highest plus minus. LeBron by the way controlled the series. Lakers Houston didn't shoot threes like was shooting very few threes. So all this three ball revolution, it's great when you have a volume but it's not. It's almost like have you ever traveled with your kids and they're like somewhere between like 3 years old and 8. You just do what you have to do to get through the five hour drive. If it is give them like just unhealthy food and it distracts them from screaming in the backseat of the car. You just do what you gotta do. And that's kind of the playoffs. I need a bucket. I need to stop. I don't care about threes. I thought Boston looked ridiculous shooting all those threes trailing by a point. I mean it was ridiculous looking so situation. And in the postseason, a manager in baseball in the postseason, let's be honest, you'll go to a starter on two days rest in the 8th inning. If you want to win a series, you're using starters out of the bullpen. You're not doing that the rest of the year. So all this stuff, playoffs are very situational. It's kids on vacation. You do what you got to do to get them through the car ride. And a lot of times in the basketball playoffs is hey, this, this matchup works. We can't explain it. It didn't work in the regular season. We're just going to go with it. So you know, that's it. And that's. I mean if you watch Philadelphia and the Knicks, that's going to be a. That is all about math in the regular season. But watch what happens in that series. It's all going to be chess. It's all going to be matchups. Attack Cat, get him in foul trouble, get him off the floor. It's not going to be about threes. That series going to be about. Can you get Cat into Foul trouble and can Edgecomb really slow down Brunson. It's about guys, guard men, guarding men. Situational basketball key matchups, not about math. So and the other thing I always think about when, when you're, when you're dealing with professional athletes and these are, these are rich, often good looking, rich alpha males. You can't reduce them to a number. Like at some point Dave Roberts of the Dodgers is going to the mound and he's looking somebody in the eye and he's like. And then the, and the, and the pitcher is selling it hard. I, I can get him out over the course of a season. Do you not trust your players? Do you not ingratiate trust among your veteran players? Some of this is you're getting on a plane in two hours. Like so much of this stuff. Like football's different. You got, you know, you got 17 games. Baseball, NBA, hockey, you're. You are living with guys for seven and a half months. Baseball is eight. You are living with players. You gotta, the relationships, the psychology, getting trust. But I think it's interesting. 11 best three point shooting teams, the big attempt teams. One is left, Cleveland. What is the Lakers? I mean the Lakers went the opposite in the playoffs. We're not going to shoot any threes. We'll let Houston do that. And by the way one of the best three point shooters is Kevin Durant. Houston was better when he didn't play. He's one of the best three point shooters. He's one of the best. Get a bucket guys. So, and I'm not anti analytics but I think the regular season, these volume sports, I think the numbers work out in the. I mean there's a certain way I parent but if I'm in the car five hours with my kids, I parent differently. How do I get them to grandma's and they don't throw a fit? That's all I care about. I am parenting different in the car or on a plane than I am the rest of the year. I don't, I mean I have, you know, I'm. If I had to sneak a bourbon. Kids, this is a high C. Why don't you take a little sifter of this. Whatever I got to do to get him through the plane flight. So jmar, there's my analytic rant.
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Rich Eisen
I don't hate it. I will point out Detroit could not shoot threes for the first six games. They did not shoot above 36%. What happens in game seven? They shoot 48% from three and win in a play.
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Colin Cowherd
But if you watch that game like I did. They didn't win because of threes. They just shut Orlando down in that series. That was.
- [47:56]
Rich Eisen
Harris couldn't miss. I mean he had.
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Colin Cowherd
That's great. But if you watch the series, the series was Orlando's offense. That's why they're firing their coach. They couldn't score points. So even though Detroit had a great three point shooting game, they're all about Cade Cunningham and defense. I mean their, their brand is we're going to beat you up physically. We're inartistic not pretty. I mean they have the Knicks problems. Yeah.
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