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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong, Caleb Williams on Sunday, more on the Chiefs problems, Matt Hasselbeck
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Monday Matt Hasselbeck five minutes away. It's the Herd. We're live in Chicago tonight. Monday Night Football. I think the Raiders and Charger going to be really interesting if it gets close. Kansas City gets a break. Denver gave a game away and either the Raiders or the Chargers are losing tonight. So little bit of a break for the Kansas City Chiefs who have been the reigning dynasty in this league. But we got young quarterbacks struggling. The Pittsburgh Steelers. What are they? J. Mack. What a fun, fun weekend. It was a light college football weekend. Chicago is losing patience fast with Caleb Williams.
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Aaron Rodgers
Yeah, kind of like Clemson's losing faith quickly in their coach. We got to get to that on Wednesday with Clyde if he drops by.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, here we go. Colin right? Colin wrong. On a Monday, plenty of both.
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Co-host/Producer
Let's begin where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, the Chiefs, we predicted that they would be thin offensively and they may make the playoffs, but it will only be as a wild card team. They're just not as explosive. Some of that is the Rasheed Rice suspension and the Xavier worthy injury. I think they will get better offensively. But Travis Kelce's last two weeks, he hurt a teammate and then dropped that catch which became almost a pick six. They cannot run the ball. Mahomes, as I said earlier, is like keeping the lights on in this shopping mall. He's the only thing that's working. So we call this regression.
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Co-host/Producer
You probably called it too where Colin was wrong.
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Colin Cowherd
I didn't think Caleb Williams was necessarily going to be a superstar. I didn't think it would look like this. His passer rating now is lower than Spencer Rattler and we know it's not Ben Johnson because his first two opening drives he's two for two or two touchdowns. So when he's on script, he's been excellent. But ad libs too much, holds the ball too long, which is a problem for some young quarterbacks, and then too often just throws it to nobody. It is much worse than I would have thought.
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Co-host/Producer
Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
I said Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers will look like a glossier version of Aaron Rodgers to the Jets. They won't be able to run the ball. It'll be a team that makes mistakes and loses games. They should win. And the defense, though expensive, won't be as dominant as you think it could be. And oh yeah, Aaron, after the game, just like he did in New York, is already calling out teammates.
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Aaron Rodgers (post-game interview)
Cal is the best kid ever, but he probably should have just stayed in the flat there. He knows it. I mean, or he was kind of Stealing it from Pat or just catch it, put it away, score a touchdown. But Cal's the best kid and you know, it sucks because he's such a great kid, but unfortunately that whole sequence, you know, took points off the board.
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Aaron Rodgers
Yeah, okay.
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Co-host/Producer
Where Colin was wrong.
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Colin Cowherd
I had Denver winning the AFC West. They were sloppy against Tennessee. They gave the game away against Indianapolis. Daniel Jones carved them up. Man, they have really bad, dumb penalties, a lot of self inflicted mistakes. You know, I love Bo Nix, but his interception in the fourth quarter, they could have sealed the game with a touchdown there and again. There were just gaffes defensively and the Colts have talent. Warren and Pittman and Pierce and Jonathan Taylor. The Colts have talent, especially on offense. But I Denver has not looked good through two weeks.
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Co-host/Producer
Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
When I put Green Bay number one in my herd hierarchy, people said, how can you do that? They're not that good. You're overall reacting. Then they went out two nights later and crushed the Washington Commanders. Green Bay is absolutely the most complete team in the league. Yes, better than Philadelphia because they've got better and deeper young tight end and wide receiver talent. Micah found a perfect team. They have depth, they have the quarterback. I think Green Bay defensively, this is the best Packer defense and certainly the most aggressive.
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Co-host/Producer
I can remember seeing where Colin was raw.
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Colin Cowherd
The Texas Longhorns, I had them in the national championship against Penn State and they are struggling offensively. Arch Manning and this offense is unwatchable. They could not put UTEP away. Now they're missing a couple receivers and a couple of running backs. They've got injuries, but I mean, who are we kidding here? UTEP doesn't have a player that Texas would recruit and they've got the biggest nil cachet in the business. I don't know if it's mechanics or confidence, but Arch Manning is officially off.
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Co-host/Producer
Where Collin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
Mike McDaniel 02 job in jeopardy. And I think both Chris Jeer, the GM, Chris Greer, the GM and Mike McDaniel probably need to be replaced. The roster isn't good. The O line's a perpetual problem. I mean, again, special teams were even bad against the Patriots. The culture's wrecked. The Bills are up next on Thursday Night football, so presumably they're 03. From the very beginning, I questioned if it was all about the sizzle and was I getting any steak. And as of today, I don't think.
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Co-host/Producer
I am where Colin was, right?
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Colin Cowherd
UCLA football feels dead. When Nico Emaliava transferred from Tennessee, I said, what are you doing? Tennessee's a football factory. They got NFL dudes everywhere. You don't transfer out of Tennessee to ucla. That's a huge mistake. And it was. Again, I'm not saying Tennessee is Georgia, but Tennessee is a football factory. They care. They're committed. UCLA's Football Nil is at the very bottom of the Big Ten, so it's a cautionary tale. I feel terrible for the kid. I think he got bad advice. I think he's really talented. But getting routed by New Mexico and if you watch the game, it could have been worse is not good. With that, Matt Hasselbeck, 18 years in the NFL, is joining us live. You know, Matt, it's interesting. I watched Philadelphia last night. It just cracks me up. They're 4.0since last season when they throw for under 100 yards, which usually if you just look at a box score, you're like, oh, this is a mess. Burn the film. It's almost like Philadelphia. That passing often gets them out of their rhythm. A.J. brown had five catches for 27 yards. There is something about they're very comfortable playing big, strong, ugly football. It feels like to me, they kind of love what they are. What do you see?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, I see a good football team. And, you know, I said this last year to you, and, you know, it's first and 10 for everybody else. It doesn't feel like first and 10 for Philly because of how good they are at the tush push, you know, like, so that gets a lot of attention, tension. But I just think it's an identity of who they want to be offensively. And, you know, when you play a great quarterback, like, I remember doing this a lot, you go up against a Peyton Manning or a Tom Brady or somebody, part of your offensive philosophy is to just keep that guy on the bench.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Matt Hasselbeck
And so, like, it's okay. You literally say it in the meetings. Like, we're not going to try to throw for 300 yards this week. Like, we're not. We're going to just try to run for 100. Like, it's the mindset. It's not so much about the actual numbers, but it's the mindset we're going to keep their great quarterback on the bench. Not only does that help your defense, I believe it actually frustrates that great quarterback and helps him and his offense get out of their own rhythm.
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Colin Cowherd
So I want to talk about. So, you know, listen, Detroit, Ben Johnson leaves. It felt like Detroit said, all right, we're going to pounce a little bit here. And I. And I've always defended t. It's not Jimmy Johnson. It's not my job to make sure you're the game's close. But it did feel like Detroit wanted to make a point by bearing the Bears, did it not?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, it did. I mean, it almost felt personal, and I know it wasn't personal, but, you know, I think this is probably the lesson for me in this game. You know, Ben Johnson said, hey, I'm going to try to downplay the fact that I'm going back to Detroit. You know, I'm going to, like, you know, because I don't want my team to feel that pressure. I disagree with that, that. That. That philosophy. I mean, I remember being, you know, on the Green Bay packers with Mike Holmgren as the head coach. When we would go back to San Fran, his old thing, the, like, it just elevated the energy in the ent. Same thing when he was in Seattle. We'd go back to Green Bay. You see it with other different, you know, coaches when they go back to coaching against their old program, against their own team, their old team. Like, just the excitement, the energy, that it's almost like a playoff atmosphere inside the building, sort of like Wednesday to Friday, Wednesday to Saturday. And I think that's the better approach. And, you know, the Bears just look flat. Detroit treated it like Dan Campbell. You knew he would treat it. And they came out and they looked like the team that they were last year.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, listen, you know this. And I know married for a while is. Marriage is sacrifice, and it's fit, you know, and it's like, you see these Hollywood power couples, and they both have great careers, and it doesn't work right. It's not. They're bad people. I look at Ben Johnson, who is a timing and structure coach. He's got some Shanahan. He likes structure and timing. And I look at Caleb, and Caleb, after those opening drives, you know, he. When he moves out of the pocket, sometimes his head is down, he's looking for yards. And I know it's early, Matt, but it feels like from a fit standpoint, this may not be perfect.
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Matt Hasselbeck
It may not work well for Caleb. You better make it work, because this is the best play caller and head coach and quarterback whisperer that you could be with. And, you know, he did have a really good preseason game. And the theme of that game was rhythm. And by rhythm, you're meaning how many hitches the quarterback takes in, like in the pocket. Is it one, two, three balls out, or is it just one the ball? And some of the great Quarterbacks that play in an offense like this, that's kind of how you, I guess, would evaluate it when you're just watching it. You know, I think the other thing that you would just say to Ben Johnson and to Caleb, like what I would say to Caleb about Ben Johnson, just forget whatever you learned in high school and college, forget whatever got you here. And take this, like, beginner's mentality of I'm going to do it exactly the way that you're asking me to do it. Because if there is like some sort of, like, you know, I'm doing it one way and the coach wants me to do it another way, it's not going to work and they're going to move on. He didn't draft you. You were there before him. And so you better buy in and be all the way on his program in terms of rhythm and timing, accuracy, all those types of things. And I think he can, but that would be the advice, you better be all in all the time and just do it his way.
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Colin Cowherd
Let me. So I watch Michael Penix and J.J. mcCarthy and let me simplify it. Penix gets rid of the ball fast, fast and accurate, and he's got a defensive head coach. And then I looked at JJ McCarthy with the brilliant Kevin O' Connell and he holds the ball and he doesn't get rid of it fast. And I do wonder if how much, what percentage of quarterback play in this league is get it out of your hands. Because Penix is just see it boom, out, and JJ and Caleb, and especially jj, he does, he doesn't let it go. He doesn't let it rip. Then he looks overwhelmed, then he loses confidence. And I mean, when I watch Panics, I'm like, oh, that works. That's why, that's what he did in college. It's see it, let it rip, trust your confidence. Is that part of JJ's problem is he's just not letting it go?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, I think you're, you're spot on with Penix. You say see it and let it rip. I think it's more like anticipate it and let it rip. You got to throw it almost before you see it. And I think that's one of the things that Michael Penix did great at the University of Washington. He doesn't necessarily rely on his athleticism and legs. He relies on his eyes, his anticipatory reactions and then his accurate throws. So for sure, I think the two young quarterbacks we talked about earlier, Caleb and jj, they gotta let it go quicker. Going back to the rhythm and the timing. You gotta let it go on one hitch, five and one hitch instead of five and two hitches. Sometimes young quarterbacks can be a wait and see thrower. I want to wait and see and then I'm going to let it go. And then, you know, obviously there's some like just mandatory things for quarterbacks on an outbreaking route. You can never leave it inside. You talked about confidence. I think when you hold on to the ball, it doesn't necessarily hurt your confidence as a quarterback, it hurts the confidence of the offensive line. They might have done a decent job in pass protection, but because you held on and hitched it a couple, you know, one too many times, it feels like they gave up a pressure when quite honestly, maybe they didn't even give up a pressure. It just was you holding onto it. So that's something that, you know, that young quarterbacks I think, struggle with. I know I struggled with it. But you look at the game, game's best quarterbacks, over time, they get the ball out on time and helps their team, you know, stay on track.
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Colin Cowherd
I was talking about this with my buddy John Midkoff last night, is, I listen sometimes as a quarterback you get hurt. It's not your fault, you get blindsided. But when a quarterback like Joe Burrow or a Justin Fields get hurt time and time again and Eli Manning never does, I do think a lot of a quarterback's health over the course of a career is, are you good pre snap? Do you see the blitz is coming? Do you get rid of the ball quickly? Do you understand your personnel and where to slide protection and where not to? I don't think every injury for Joe Burrow is always on the battle line for the Bengals. I don't know, it just feels like to me, we always blame the O line and it seems like the Brady's and the Eli's, they get down or they don't get hurt.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, you're, I mean, listen, protect the team by protecting yourself. I mean, you're onto something here. Obviously, this last injury, John Burrow, it's, you know, I'm not saying it's his fault, but you know, as a franchise quarterback, which he clearly is, one of the great players in the game of all time already. There's something to not being hurt. There's something to not ending the season on ir. You know, like the great quarterbacks you mentioned some guys, but whether it's Brady or Breeze or Manning or Stafford, you know, how many seasons do they end on ir? I think that's Something that they learn. You know, you see Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, they throw a pick, are they going after it, making the tackle? Sometimes they live to play another play. They just get down. So I think it'd be very easy to sort of blame the Bengals. Oh, the Bengals aren't spending enough money. They're not built. You know, I could blame the Bengals for maybe not building the whole roster properly, but offensively, if they're going to give him the weapons, talking about Joe Burrow that they're given to him, I think one of the best things that he could learn to do going forward is understand that, hey, by protecting myself, by learning to live for the next play, I'm really doing my part to protect the team. And, you know, I. I love Joe. I love his style. He takes a bunch of sacks. His eyes are downfield. He makes a bunch. Bunch of big plays. He's willing to put his body on the line. But. But at the same time, I think understanding your value to the team, that might be an area where, you know, he's going to want to, you know, I think play a little bit more like those guys you mentioned, a Peyton Manning and Eli Manning, because of his value to the team.
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Colin Cowherd
Finally, Mac Jones had his best game as a pro. He had no George Kittle, Brandon Iuk. I said the playbook by Shanahan should be called Quarterback for Dummies. It's like everybody gets it. I mean, Mac Jones did not have a big arm. He's not super athletic. They asked him to throw 39 times on the road. That, I mean, like the Eagles with Jalen Hurts, want him to throw at 23. It's almost double the throws. And so I look at it yesterday, and I'm like, Mac Jones looked great. I mean, what does Kyle do in terms of simplicity? He's got backup tight ends. I've never, you know, who are they? He's got to have some cheat code, does he not, for quarterbacks?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, if you. If you were to talk to quarterbacks around the league, I think you would hear this. I think you would hear that Kyle Shanahan and Matt Lafleur are the guys that they would want to go play. And you see guys try to resurrect their career by going and spending a year with those kind of guys. And there are other guys. I'm sure Daniel Jones spent some time with Kevin o'. Connell. Like, there's other guys. But you saw what Sam Darnold did when he went to San Fran. Was there as a backup, kind of resurrected his Career. I'm sure that's what Mac Jones thought. Hey, listen, I'm going to go do that now. Am I going to overreact because of a good game against the Saints? Like, no, not necessarily. But this is why Mac Jones chose to go there. This is why quarterbacks around the league sort of are jealous about the play caller, the Scheme. That is Kyle Shanahan, that is Matt LaFleur. But to overreact and think that maybe somehow, you know, like, Brock Purdy's not like the real difference maker on that team. Like, to me, I think he is. But it goes hand in hand with a great play caller, great play designer, which they clearly have in San Fran.
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Colin Cowherd
I gotta ask you this one more thing. I don't know your injury history, but I said whoever Dak Prescott's surgeon is, he didn't get paid enough. Dak is so rejuvenated. His mobility is back. It's rookie or second year. Dak and his confidence, his body language. Like, Dak looked unbelievable yesterday. And the Giants D line's pretty good. And they don't, you know, CD Lamb's obviously a special talent. Like, he's really good, but it's not a great personnel group up front for him. I don't know. I always thought pro athletes off surgery had to play their way back into confidence. I'm kind of blown away by Dak through two weeks. Can you explain it?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, I've heard you say it. It's the eye test. You see a guy right away, you can tell what kind of off season he had. You know, and there's off seasons that you have that aren't really successful. I mean, I remember I had one of those, I think 0809, it just, like I looked at myself and I didn't feel fast, I didn't feel explosive, I didn't feel powerful. You've heard Dak Prescott talk about this, talk about that this year, saying, like, I didn't like how I was last year, especially as a runner. And so he's worked on that. I think he looks different physically. I think he looks different running the ball. He's been great. He's been great. And I know this for a fact, as a, as a player, as a quarterback, especially when you feel great about your off season training, when you feel strong and fit and powerful and explosive, you feel confident. Like, you feel confident as a player, you feel. You just feel different. And I think your teammates feel it. And I think there's an emotional intelligence that kind of like rubs off on the Sidelines. If you watch Dak this year, he's not like sitting on the bench, you know, getting drinks and water and Gatorade and all that stuff. The whole time he's on his feet, he's dapping up his teammates. He's walking up and down offense, defense, o line. He's engaged. I just think that, to me, that screams like a guy that had a great off season. Whatever he did, it was great, and I think he should continue to do that.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, they asked him to throw against that front for the Giants 52 times, and yet he still had, at the end of the game, the energy to peel off. To throw 52 times in the NFL, that is the calorie burn itself is insane. And then he peels off a run in overtime, and I'm like, dude, that is. That is all time stuff. That is.
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Matt Hasselbeck
And having his legs is an important piece to the puzzle of who he is as a player. When he came in that rookie year, when he replaced Tony Romo, he gave them a little bit of a boost with the mobility with the naked bootlegs and that one scramble that just breaks the defense back when they call the right play. So, you know, that's an important thing. And this is a dangerous team with a great kicker. They're saying his range is like 70 yards. Look, look, look out for Dallas. They're a lot better than people thought before the season.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, Matt Hasselbeck, as always, great stuff on a Monday. Yeah, I mean, I. You, you go. Look, folks, when you ask a quarterback to throw 52 times in a pass rush of the Giants and they're still scrambling for the first down late, it's. It's impressive. Matt Hasselbeck, thank you for stopping by on a Monday. We still got a lot to talk about. Mark. SL on that Bronco giveaway game. Brutal. I didn't think yesterday was a great day for officials. By the way, Dean Blandino came out on the tush push and said, I'm over it. It's a very hard play. I think that that's going to seize. That's going to be the end of the tush push in the off season when they, when they raise their hands for a vote, when the officials say, we can't really officiate it, we can't really clearly see it. I think that's. I mean, that's the bottom line. A league starts with rules. Any sport. If you. I don't care what sport you are, if you're creating the UFC 20 Ago rules, and then you have officials, right? Here's our rules, here's the people who will officiate it. We'll teach them. Then we have the athletes. When the rules and the officials are at odds and the officials are saying, yeah, we just can't see where's the ball. I mean, Philadelphia looks like they're nudging off sides and getting a false start. Nobody's calling it. That will be the end of it because Philadelphia can say we invented it. Nobody can stop it. But if the officials are struggling to officiate a play, that's dangerous, and I think that'll be the end of the Tush push in the off season.
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Aaron Rodgers
Well, wait a sec. For years the officials were like, we don't know what a catch is. I mean, the bobbling, all this stuff. This is a little easier, Colin, just because they ran it seven times yesterday and Chiefs fans can't stop it. They're very upset, they're crying. Why don't we just put a chip in the football? That is the easiest thing you can possibly do to get a great spot. People have been talking about this for years. And by the way, can't the officials just huddle up and be like, hey, let's have a, let's have an official meeting. And this is how we, we, we adjust to what the Tush push is and we make sure we do a better job of it. I don't like outlawing the best play in football. The most automatic, unstoppable play. I don't know why the refs just can't be better.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't love it either. But, and for the record, other teams have tried it and failed. It does not look the same with everybody else.
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Aaron Rodgers
I see JJ McCarthy try it last night. He's like, I don't know what I'm doing. Like, he looks scared to run.
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Colin Cowherd
Caleb Williams, forget it. He doesn't know what he's doing. It's not, I mean, you know, it's interesting. So Travis, Jason Kelsey retires best center in a decade.
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Aaron Rodgers
That's right.
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Colin Cowherd
And the Tush push doesn't go backwards because what Jalen hurts is, is the strongest quarterback pound for pound, probably in league history. There's been a lot of big guys and a lot of tall guys and fast guys. How many quarterbacks you know do a 660 pound leg press? And I think a huge component to this, he is shorter, he's stout, he's smaller, he gets an incredible push. Now, their O line is excellent, but they just lost the best center in a decade in the sport and the tush push remains unstoppable. So it was not Kelsey. It's Jalen Hurts who makes that puppy work.
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Aaron Rodgers
By the way, the Chiefs have Creed Humphrey, one of the best centers in the league. Why don't they run a Dutch push? Why don't you give it a shot there, Patrick, huh?
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Colin Cowherd
No, it's on. Jalen Hurts is just a weird combination of, you know, diminutive size. So you can't get Josh Allen's the most talented quarterback in the league. Justin Herbert. I've seen him try it. Well, they're six five people can head hunt with. Hurts head down, huge leg strength. There's nothing you can do. I mean, there's literally nothing you can do.
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- [30:58]
Colin Cowherd
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- [31:15]
Co-host/Producer
This is the Herd.
- [31:18]
Aaron Rodgers
Let's revisit the Detroit Chicago game. Colin, because Ben Johnson went home, back to the Lions den since leaving for the Bears this offseason and they got waxed. I mean, listen, not his fault, but they got destroyed anyway. Brian Branch on the back end of the Detroit defense, he made a great play yesterday. He talked about getting revenge against Ben in the post game.
- [31:40]
Brian Branch
Very motivated. We know coming into this game that this is personal, really, all these games, personals.
- [31:46]
Colin Cowherd
And.
- [31:46]
Brian Branch
But this one was just. We felt like we've been, you know, betrayed it from the staff to the players. And you know, we love Ben. We still love Ben. He's a great, you know, coach. He's a great mastermind. But yeah, it was time to get out there.
- [32:06]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And it went downhill really fast. And for the record, I mean, watching Omaron St. Brown and Jared golf, when you can work with a player like two committed guys, Goff and Omaron St. Brown, and you can work together for years and years because there's so much movement. J. Mac in this league. Quarterbacks and coaches and coordinators. And so even though Goff lost his coordinator, it's Jared Goff and Omaron St. Brown. You can see the time they have dedicated to the craft. Those guys know where each other is going to be. And that, that is a. That right now is one of the best combos in the league. Amaran St. Brown with a fourth round pick and Jared Goff, you know, got jettisoned by the Rams. But I mean, I'll say this about Detroit, dude. They got weapons. They have drafted well because they got speed everywhere on this team.
- [32:52]
Aaron Rodgers
All right, so let's remember, Bears secondary was banged up, got cooked against JJ McCarthy in the fourth quarter. All right, so you knew Goff was going to go off. We talked about this. This was the biggest bet of the weekend. Easy layup. The question is, which Detroit team is the real one? The one that got spanked in Green Bay where they didn't have any touchdowns until the final like three minutes or the one that opened a can and dropped 55 on the bears. Where. Which is the real Detroit team this year? Or is it somewhere in the middle?
- [33:20]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think it's. I think it is a team that when Jared got. Because remember, they drafted interior offensive linemen and so offensive starters don't play a Ton. Offensive lines don't play a ton in the preseason. So you could make an argument is that Detroit opened up against the best team in the league in Green Bay, who was returning most of their team, plus Micah Parsons. So you had, you know, a Green Bay team that's young but has played together against the Detroit team, rebuilding their interior O line, and it got ugly fast.
- [33:53]
Aaron Rodgers
Right.
- [33:53]
Colin Cowherd
My take is as the offensive line develops, their running backs, their receivers golf, they're too talented not to score. I don't know how good they are in the back end defensively, but if Detroit can get the offensive line right, and they have drafted incredibly well under this gm is that they're going to score points. They may lose shootouts, but Detroit is more than capable of scoring.
- [34:16]
Aaron Rodgers
Okay. All right. So not to look too far ahead, but Week 3 Detroit Lions at the Baltimore Ravens outdoors Monday Night Football this week.
- [34:27]
Colin Cowherd
Not great. Not great.
- [34:28]
Aaron Rodgers
Not great. Colin, the last time they met, it was an absolute massacre. And the line I'm seeing is Ravens minus six. Yeah, I think that's a smash spot. I'm sorry. Outdoors, they're different. And they had Ben Johnson last time they went and they got their butts kicked. So let's just. Let's settle down on Detroit and in 50. Burger. Yeah, they're going to get hammered in Baltimore. Next up, what are we doing here? Oh, New York Giants, Cowboys. Hell of a game. Listen, two teams that aren't going anywhere. But it was fun. Billion lead changes in the fourth quarter. Thrilling victory for Dallas. They did not cover the spread, though. I like them big. How about Russell Wilson balled out 450 yards, three tutties. And we're not going to hear about Jackson Dart for another all week. Malik Neighbors pointed out Russell Wilson's resilience, adding, he's capable of more. I don't know how much more he can do than 450 and three tutties. I mean, listen, that moon ball that.
- [35:22]
Colin Cowherd
He'S throwing, they threw four of them.
- [35:24]
Aaron Rodgers
First of all, what's up with the Cowboys back end of the defense? They didn't realize it till overtime. Hey, we need a safety over the top, guys. That was a great finish. Fun game. Giants could have used a dub there.
- [35:35]
Colin Cowherd
Because, I mean, the difference between Dak and Russell, because they were both amazing, is Russell made the big mistake late and Dak did not. Yeah, that was really the game. Because it could have. I mean, there were multiple times in this game I thought the Giants were going to win three or four different times. I thought the Giants had It sealed and Dak would come back and drive him down. Yeah. So and I'll tell you this, the Giants, we've said this J. Mac, the Giants have talent. They've got a couple of receivers that can run. Yeah, yeah.
- [36:03]
Aaron Rodgers
I don't want to hear the non existent run game. Okay.
- [36:05]
Colin Cowherd
Now. Now without Andrew Thomas, their left tackle situation is dire.
- [36:10]
Aaron Rodgers
They benched an offensive lineman after one.
- [36:12]
Colin Cowherd
Drive, four straight penalties.
- [36:13]
Aaron Rodgers
They got some problems. The secondary was not great. But as you pointed out earlier, hey, Dak was dealing with oh that's two weeks in a row he's made some hell of a throws. Listen, I know it's early. Dak looks like a top 10 quarterback right now.
- [36:28]
Colin Cowherd
If I, if I was making anything about my predictions, Dallas is significantly better than I predicted and Denver has looked worse. Now Denver did win a game over but Denver's look sloppy and mistake filled with Sean Payton. They've been disappointing to me. They gave the game away yesterday. So Denver's not nearly as good as I predicted and Dallas has been significantly better. I was literally after the Micah trade. My take was we'll go draft a quarterback and draft the next Micah. This is the best Dak I've seen probably since year two. He has.
- [37:04]
Aaron Rodgers
So he was an MVP finalist.
- [37:07]
Colin Cowherd
No, no, he was but he is running like young Dak on the rookie contract. He that's what he looks like right.
- [37:13]
Aaron Rodgers
Now and it helps that Javante Williams, that little turn back the clock action. I thought week one was just luck.
- [37:18]
Colin Cowherd
Another guy came off a big surgery. Yep.
- [37:20]
Aaron Rodgers
Yeah he, he looked good. Final story Colin is the Monday Night Football doubleheader. Bucks are in the opener against the Texans and then the big one at night at 10pm Eastern start Colin. I don't know how you feel about that. Good thing you're not on the east coast. But Brock Bowers expected to play tonight. Pete Carroll said he looked great over the weekend. That's a huge get back. Chargers are minus three and a half. I don't, I haven't bet this game yet. I'm actually leaning Raiders getting the hook.
- [37:51]
Colin Cowherd
I like Houston minus the points in the opener I think is the strongest play of the night. I would take. I think Houston is going to win and cover. I don't know these division rivalry games. I think the Raiders at home will play very tough and I think it's a three point game. I'll take the Chargers to win but I would take the Raiders in the point.
- [38:09]
Aaron Rodgers
Yeah it feels like a a 2320 type game. Whoever has the ball last but the.
- [38:14]
Colin Cowherd
Chargers face Denver next. So if they could beat Kansas City and the Raiders and then get Denver next. So this is a, this is a great spot for the Chargers to do some separating from Kansas City.
- [38:28]
Aaron Rodgers
When are we going to do quarterback rankings this season? You should do an in season one. And I'm sorry, Burrow has to be out because he's not actually playing. Because I'm just telling you, Justin Herbert, to me, it's only one game. If he shows out well tonight, I think he could take that Burrow spot as fourth best quarterback. I mean, Herbert looked that good.
- [38:46]
Colin Cowherd
I love Joe Burrow. You love Joe Burrow, but Joe Burrow now is injury prone. And that's exactly. Those are two words you have to acknowledge. Justin Fields, by the way, is banged up again. Justin. Well, fair or not, Justin Fields puts himself in those positions. So I always said this about Sam Darnold, who I loved. Sam was reckless. Sam is not nearly as reckless as he was four years ago. He was putting himself in bad spots. And I mean, I loved Andrew Locke, loved him. But Andrew didn't play for another down. Andrew, I mean, he used to say, I don't feel like the game starts until I've been hit. That's okay for a defensive end. I don't want my quarterback having that mindset. So I think with Joe Burrow, I mean, we've got to be honest about this. He. The thing you love about him is he just never takes his eyes from downfield in a relentless pass rush. He will sit in there and take shot after shot. Tony Romo did this.
- [39:43]
Aaron Rodgers
I mean, it's too late to like tear it up and be like, listen, this is what we've got to do. You see what the Eagles did? They got an offensive line and they got Jalen hurts. We need to put everything we've got into the offensive line. If we got to give away Higgins, I think you got to give away Higgins against. I mean, honestly, if you're not protecting your 275 million dollar investment, what are you doing?
- [40:04]
Colin Cowherd
Totally agree. Yeah, I mean, the, the offensive line is your insurance policy for the Bentley. The quarterback's the Bentley, The O lines the insurance policy. I mean that. It's really what it is. It's not glamorous, but you got to pay for it. J. Mac with the news.
- [40:17]
Co-host/Producer
Well, that's the news.
- [40:19]
Aaron Rodgers
And thanks for stopping by the Herd line.
- [40:22]
Colin Cowherd
You can blame who you want, but I want to talk about this next. How can the Pittsburgh Steelers not understand a basic kickoff rule which really gave the Seahawks momentum in the game. They gave them a free touchdown. That's next.
- [40:41]
Co-host/Producer
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- [42:33]
Jonas Knox
This is Jonas Knox from Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. And when you're a pro, you need a project partner who delivers results. Ferguson Home understands that selection and availability are critical to transforming visions into realities. That's why they offer the best selection of home improvement products spanning the latest trends, traditional styles, unique finishes and smart technologies. From coordinated job site delivery to online project management tools, they tailor their services to support your goals. Their experienced associates know construction inside and out, helping you find exactly what you need to exceed your expectations. With more than 250 showrooms nationwide, Ferguson Home is your trusted partner from concept to completion. Whether you're managing large scale projects or perfecting a single detail. They have the expertise and selection to help you succeed. Visit your local Ferguson Home showroom or go to FergusonHome.com to discover kitchen, bath and lighting solutions that set your projects apart. Ferguson Home where it all comes together. Explore top brands like Kohler@FergusonHome.com or visit your local showroom.
- [43:41]
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- [44:43]
Aaron Rodgers
Motion for Life Sunday a Fox NFL doubleheader starts with a rematch of last year's playoff class between the Rams and Eagles or other regional action. Then it's America's game of the week as Dak and the Cowboys take on Caleb and the Bears or Cardinals Niners. Check localistics for the games in your area only on Fox.
- [45:06]
Colin Cowherd
Cowboys, Bears. That sounds like a big one.
- [45:09]
Aaron Rodgers
You try to get me in trouble during a read. Laughing Rams.
- [45:14]
Colin Cowherd
Eagles will be unbelievable. That will be unbelievable. I'm telling you, the pass rush that the Rams put out there and they don't have to bring extra people, they just bring four guys and they get a tremendous pass rush off the edge. So it's, you know, Jalen hurts, but you know, Philadelphia again, Philadelphia's passing game gets in the way of their offensive rhythm. So that that will be a great game. Two great games on Fox Sunday. So I don't know what to make of that. The Steelers so there's a basic rule in the NFL. We have a new kickoff and I don't want to hear. Well, there's a lot of new kickoff rules. Here's the easy one. If you kick off and the ball lands between the 20 or the back of the end zone. You gotta down it, right? Like you have to return it or down it. It's a live ball. A Pittsburgh rookie, Caleb Johnson, apparently didn't know the rules. I don't think he touched it. But Seattle knew live ball, so. So the road team certainly knew. The kickoff team knew it was a live ball. But once again, Mike Tomlin, one of the criticisms, he's a little loose on the details. Heavy into motivation. Always gets his guys fired up. They're not good in the details. Oh, by the way, why can't they get the offensive line right? That's probably the most detailed unit on a football team. The symmetry and the chemistry and the cohesion on the offensive line. Steelers can't get the offensive line right, Aaron. And the second thing that worries me, this is the most expensive defense in the league, and they're terrible. They're giving up 400 yards a game and 31 points. Now, again, one of those was a freebie they gave to the Seahawks on the kickoff. Aaron Rodgers had a couple of picks. They weren't great. The one in the end zone was a bad deflection, and Aaron got a little defensive when people came after him about the Week two losses.
- [47:02]
Aaron Rodgers (post-game interview)
It's Week two. Come on, then. Come on, come on. It's week two. I mean, like, it's. It's good for us. Last week, probably there's some people who are feeling. Feeling pretty good because everybody outside the building is talking about how great we were on offense and 34 points, that's the league. You can't ride the highs or ride the lows. You know, you gotta. You gotta refocus every single week and be a professional.
- [47:25]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I don't mind the interceptions. I mean, the one was a bad deflection in the end zone. The other one, he's throwing the ball deep down the field. And he also had the throw to the tight end in the. In the red zone. He also had the throw to DK Metcalf. Were great throws. That is so Aaron. The question is, how often do you get into the red zone? Because the Steelers can't run. And this is what I had said from the very beginning is Pittsburgh is going to be a glossier, better, more refined version of the Jets. They won't have a defendable run game. The protection will be hit and miss. They have a couple of young jets due, and now the Steelers do a couple young offensive linemen and kind of, you know, they're building the center's great From West Virginia, Frazier. But you know, they're kind of figuring out what they are. They can't get the O line right. So defensively, everybody said before the season, ah, they're going all in on this team, all in on defense. Jalen Ramsey's been pretty good. The defense stinks. And you can't be giving away touchdowns in this league. So it's, it's. And listen Aaron at this point in his career and that's why I said, dude, sit the year out, retire or go to Minnesota. This is not a great fit for Aaron. Older quarterbacks need one or two things. Ample and consistent protection. Pittsburgh can't provide that and a consistent run game. Pittsburgh average three yards a rush. So by the way, Sam Darnold, Sam had a bad pick. Sam can have picks, but Sam Darnold second week in a row, either one or was driving for the winning touchdown. So as you watch the Minnesota Vikings last night, they wanted to sign re sign Sam Darnold. And you're watching what's going on in Minnesota and you're watching Seattle. Seattle's pretty good football team. Right now The Steelers are 29th in time per drive. And so there was a. Oh, Aaron's going to solve the quarterback issues. They can't sustain possessions because they can't run the football. And that was an issue. Again, there's certain things Aaron does very well. He throws a beautiful back shoulder ball. He's got great velocity, he moves poorly but for his age, adequately. But you know, they don't protect, they don't run the ball. And so what happens is this Pittsburgh Steeler defense, and you saw this yesterday, is on the field too long. That's what you saw against the jets when you can't run the football. I don't know if the right now because there are. Remember Philadelphia had to let go of some defensive players as you start playing, paying more and more of your star players. So Eagles had to move off players. But the good news is they control possessions. The tush push allows the Eagles to continue drives. So time of possession in Philadelphia is usually pretty good. What does that do? Defenses are always better when they're on the field less. Right now in Kansas City, you're asking yourself, Kansas City's defense, Justin Herbert ate it alive. Well, Kansas City doesn't have a run game. So against Justin Herbert in the second half, that Kansas City defense is on the field too much. So nothing makes a talented defense look worse than being on the field. So you watch the. Have you noticed in the first two games for Kansas City the defense is better in the first half than the second. Why the Chiefs can't run the ball. So you know your defensive guys are on the field for 45 steps, 55 steps. They get tired. So and so once again, the Steelers 29th in time per drive, 30th in rushing yards per attempt. So we said Aaron's not going to solve their issues at this point in his career. He needs certain things to be provided. The jets couldn't and the Steelers can't. So this is what they are. And this defense for Pittsburgh, when you can't run the ball, remember, the season's now longer than it's ever been been. Defensive players statistically get hurt more. So the key to a great defense is often a very good sustained run game. So a defense in later portions of the game. You saw. You saw how tired the Cowboy defense was of the New York Giant defense. You could only put defensive players on the field. They have to predict what's happening. They don't know what the play is. It's exhausting. Hour 3 Mark slearth on the Brawn Broncoloss head shaker next make your game.
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