Colin Cowherd (2:44)

Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Monday. I think this is going to be our best hour. It's live. It's Chicago. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be watching or listening we always appreciate you making part of your day with us, J. Mac. It was the craziest day I can remember. There were some really. I mean, Green Bay, Cleveland was about as ugly as football gets. It was a rock fight. San Francisco, Arizona, Tampa, jets was a blowout. Then it wasn't. There is so much to talk about. Matt Hasselbeck's about four minutes out. It was not a great day for either one of us with our picks. I think we both have the Ravens tonight.

Jason McIntyre (3:21)

We do. I need to hear a little more positivity for Jalen Hurts. You know how there's the Magnificent Seven stocks, right?

Colin Cowherd (3:29)

Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (3:29)

The Tech stocks. There needs to be a super six for quarterbacks because I think Herbert and Hertz have played their way in. Colin, come on. They've been spectacular.

Colin Cowherd (3:37)

Maybe Baker Mayfield. Oh, yeah. So on a Monday, Colin right? Colin wrong. And here we go.

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Where Colin was right.

Colin Cowherd (3:45)

Jim Harbaugh, world's football coach, 3 0, pulling away in the AFC West. The Chargers were on a short week. They fumbled the opening kickoff. They lost. Naji Harris, Khalil Max not playing. But Harbaugh has in his career found ways to win ugly games. And you got to give this team credit. Quentin Johnson looked like a busted wide receiver. Harbaugh's like, nope, we're going to feed him the ball. We're going to throw it to him half a dozen times deep. And the Chargers win a game because they have the greatest football coach of all time.

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Where Colin was wrong.

Colin Cowherd (4:24)

The packers led 10 nothing in the fourth and still lost to Cleveland. They were my number one team in the league. What was weird is they had extra time to prep because they played on Thursday Night Football and the offense was still disjointed. Jordan Love got hit hard too many times. They just, they didn't have a lot of energy. They came out flat. And it's the National Football League. Jordan Love didn't have a lot of time. They didn't get a touchdown until late third quarter. I thought this was a team without a major flaw and maybe it's just energy because they lacked it against Cleveland on the road.

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Where Colin was right.

Colin Cowherd (5:00)

I've said this about Kyle Shanahan. I predicted the Niners would have a lot of injuries. And I've said before, Kyle is the great quarterback whisperer. Mac Jones is not only two and, oh, they're asking him to throw as much as Justin Herbert. The dude has 80 pass attempts and two starts with a wide receiver core that's all banged up. George Kittle banged up. Yeah. You can say what you want about Kyle Shanahan hasn't won the big game. Shanahan with quarterbacks the league had given up on. Mac Jones had given up and that guy's out there spinning it. And two, and, oh, credit to Shanahan.

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Where Colin was raw.

Colin Cowherd (5:41)

I have defended C.J. stroud for two years. He's 29th in passer rating dating back to last year. Now, I know the offensive line's not great, but right now either either is the Chargers. I picked the Texans to win the AFC South. They can't pick up first downs. They can't run it. Protection's not great right now. CJ's got more picks than touchdowns, averaging 200 yards a game. And D' Amico Ryan's. I worry about this because I've said this for years. There's something about defensive head coaches and battle lines. Last two years, they can't get the O line right. I keep defending him and I am wrong.

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Where Colin was right.

Colin Cowherd (6:23)

I said Friday, Carson Wentz today now is better than J.J. mcCarthy. He may not be in six weeks. Yes, the Vikings defense was great, but I said on Friday's show, oh, he'll win and he'll be great. J.J. mcCarthy looked overwhelmed. Carson Wentz has 130 passer rating yesterday. 70% completion rate in total control. The reason I like Carson Wentz is look at the coaches who like him. Kevin O' Connell liked him. Sean McVay liked him. He keeps bouncing around to smart offensive coaches. Carson Wentz was reckless, got banged up. But I will defend him. I think he's honestly one of the most talented backup quarterbacks, in fact, easily in the National Football League. And yesterday you can win a bunch of games with Carson Wentz and that staff, those weapons and Brian Flores.

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Where Colin was wrong, I gave up on Daniel Jones.

Colin Cowherd (7:17)

Forget Danny Dimes. He's Danny Dollars. He is dealing it, baby. Now, he's got a good old line and nice weapons, but he made plays yesterday. Is he the next Baker? Is he the next Sam Darnold? I said give me a break. He's throwing the ball downfield. This is not dink and dunk. Danny dollars was 6 and 9, 10 plus yards down the field. This isn't a mirage. He's not fooling anybody. He's making big boy NFL throws. Indy had their first punt all season, so, I mean, he's playing with confidence. Well, he's got Shane Steichen out of. Shane Steichen ain't making the throws. He is making big boy downfield. Throws and I'm wrong.

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Where Colin was right.

Colin Cowherd (7:57)

Jaden Mayava, USC. Is anybody paying attention? Nine TDs, no picks, 71 completion percentage. I don't want to hear about their schedule. For all the people that doubt Lincoln Riley, this kid last year was reckless and out of control. He looks unbelievable. They were missing their first or second best wide receiver. They lead the nation in yards per play. They're a touchdown favorite at Illinois. This kid has cleaned up his entire game again last year he was young, he was reckless, he kind of played out of control. I didn't think he was very good. Between the hash marks, he is making big time throws and great decisions.

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Where Colin was wrong?

Colin Cowherd (8:36)

Coming out of Ohio State, I thought Marvin Harrison was can't miss. More like can't catch. Is he a bust? I honestly, I don't know what's happened. I, he's not separating. They don't target him. 10 catches, three games. I, I don't know what it was. I thought he was a guaranteed stud. I just thought physically he would be a mismatch but lost confidence. They don't target him. I mean he was, he was drafted above like Roma, Dunte and Neighbors. And I don't see it like at.

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All where Colin was wrong.

Colin Cowherd (9:12)

Cade Clubnik, Ken Clemson quarterback. What happened? McClemson's got NFL guys. They're 113th in FCS in scoring offense. I thought he could be a top two or three quarterback drafted. Clemson's 02 in the ACC and they haven't played Miami yet. They're 1 and 3 overall. Fell into a deep hole against Syracuse. I watched this entire game. I don't know what the problem is. Maybe they should have gone to the transfer portal. Clemson refuses to do the nil. Holding the ball too long. I mean I, I have no idea. It's total regression. Lower completion percentage, more interceptions, fewer yards per game. Nothing looks right. I had a lot of wrongs this week. I gotta own them. I had a lot of wrongs yesterday. And with that, Matt Hasselbeck stops by. 18 years in the NFL. Man, I was wrong a lot. Oh, I was wrong.

Matt Hasselbeck (10:08)

I, I like when you admit when you were wrong. It's just, I love the humility.

Colin Cowherd (10:13)

Oh, well, I don't have it often, but boy, I'm bringing my fastball today. I will say this. Listen, I know it's the Bears, the Dallas defense, but here's what I did. Like, they've got a lot. There's a lot of people that need to eat there. They've got a Luther Burden and roman Dunz and D.J. moore and two tight ends. And I did think there was a rhythm mat to the offense. I thought that a couple drives where it was like the screen game, the run game, they played the clock well. I did sense a rhythm. Or is that just Dallas's bad defense?

Matt Hasselbeck (10:45)

It's both. But it was clearly, yeah, rhythm, timing, accuracy. No sacks is huge.

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Matt Hasselbeck (10:51)

Good pass protection. This was easily Caleb Williams best game as a pro. Easily. It was fun to watch. If you're a Bears fan, you're like, oh shoot, this is sick. Like, this is what we could be. Ben Johnson, I mean he is like, you see why he was so good in this division going up against guys like Matt Eberflus, like he knew the division. I think there is something nice about game planning. People that like, you know them as well as they know themselves. You know what, they're never going to change, where they're never going to change. But I just thought it was incredible, you know, and you know, just, you know, Caleb obviously deserves his credit. He did a really nice job. But guy, it really wasn't a lot of contested touchdowns. Like guys were wide open. Like I don't have like a next gen stats kind of thing on it but like usually touchdown passes are hard to come by. You know, usually guys end up on the ground. A lot of times these were stand up, nobody near me type touchdowns. It was an impressive, impressive win for Chicago and equally as embarrassing for Dallas. Like if you're Dallas, you're feeling pretty good last week and now you're kind of like, who the heck are we? Like, this is, this is embarrassing.

Colin Cowherd (11:53)

I want to know though, do players look at it and think the Bears, I mean, like the Bear players today, is it self belief in that locker room or is there a sense Dallas is bad? Like, were you ever on a team that what, you were struggling to find your footing, you beat a really bad team. How does that usually translate the following week? Because they have the very average Raiders coming up.

Matt Hasselbeck (12:17)

Yeah, it's two things. Number one, never apologize for a win. Never. Like we would say that in every locker room ever. Like, it would just be like, never apologize. I don't care how bad they were, how much disarray they're in. It's. It's really hard to get a win. Like we put our heart and soul into this thing. We're going to celebrate it on a Sunday. But now here's the thing. Win or lose, that game plan, that celebration, all of that, that has to just kind of evaporate and go away. It's like it never happened. You know, maybe there's a feel good feeling. I think the hard thing after a win is you got to correct the things that need to be corrected. Sometimes in a loss, you know, you look at everything under a magnifying glass and you're like, okay, we got to get a little bit better in the details here. After a win, sometimes you sweep things under the rug in terms of like, technique or, hey, we got our way with one year. And you don't necessarily improve as the season's going on. Going on. So I think there'll fine. Ben Johnson seems like a little bit of a workaholic, and I don't think, I don't think he's going to let him off the hook that way. But I think a game like that for Chicago, with the scrutiny that their quarterback has been under, is going to give some confidence to a team that needs a little bit of confidence.

Colin Cowherd (13:23)

One of the things that I don't think we talk about in the media enough, and I don't think fans realize it, is that even practice is hard. In football. You know, basketball practice, you get a good sweat. Baseball practice, you're in the cage. Football practice, you tackle and get hurt and the weather's often awful. So in the NFL, just even when you don't get sacked, but you get hit, and you get hit like Justin Herbert 14 times and pressured 55 times. I'm watching Herbert yesterday and I'm like, I hope people realize what it is like to play in a game. Forget just the sacks where you're getting hammered 14 or 15 times. I think if, if Harbaugh could go to a lab and build a quarterback, it would be Justin Herbert. I mean, I, when I watched him yesterday, I'm like, do people understand how often he's getting hit?

Matt Hasselbeck (14:20)

Yeah. And I think he would build Andrew Luck. And I think Justin Herbert has all those qualities that Andrew Luck had. You know, I think when I think of Harbaugh, I think of what he did at Stanford. And it wasn't a pass first off. You know, it was a. It was a hard nose, physical inside the tackles, running team. And that's, I think, the identity that he came in with last year. And everyone said, oh, you're not using Justin Herbert enough. He's not throwing the ball enough. And Harbaugh basically said, listen, I'm going to get the best of Justin Herbert by having this philosophy. And now you're seeing it this year. You're seeing Justin Herbert put the team on his back, playing like an mvp, making all world throws in the pocket, feeling healthy enough to do it. I mean, listen, I'm old enough to remember when this dude was playing with like broken fingers and all the broken ribs and all these types of things. Down two scores in the fourth quarter, still in the game. That's not a recipe for a long career. It's not a recipe for playing great in the playoffs. I think Harbaugh has the vision for what Herbert can be. And everyone's buying in. Everyone's buying in. I think the opponent is starting to buy in a little bit too. Like, oh, shoot, man, this guy is one of the elite quarterbacks. You know, even when we call the perfect play defensively, he goes above the X's and O's and makes stuff happen. And. And I think that, you know, protecting him a little bit is a way to unleash him. And I think Harbaugh's done a great job of it.

Colin Cowherd (15:46)

You know, I don't know what happened at halftime because you guys only have 15 minutes and a couple of those minutes are burned.

Matt Hasselbeck (15:52)

I think it's 13. Yeah, it's 13 minutes depending on the stadium. So.

Colin Cowherd (15:57)

So Philadelphia trails 26 7. They have minus one yards passing. They go in for their 13 quick minutes as they're drinking Gatorade and having orange slices. They come out and the offense is totally reborn. What did Philadelphia, in your opinion, do at halftime to literally rework the entire game plan?

Matt Hasselbeck (16:17)

Yeah, one of the biggest things you do at halftime is use the bathroom. Sometimes you got to hold it and like, it's tough. You feel a lot better in the second half. That's a fun fact in case. In case you wanted to know. But I think the other thing that can happen is you get a cons, you have a short meeting, it's very quick, and sometimes it can be got that big like, you know, Waffle house call sheet looking like thing and you say, hey, we got to get AJ the ball. They're leaving AJ one on one. Backside of three by one formations, meaning three eligible receivers on one side. Our ex receiver, our AJ Brown is by himself. Backside. We got to give him opportunities. That's what I saw. I saw a team that came in at halftime and said, hey, AJ Needs to be a part of this. And you know, we've seen kind of devo receivers like flip out on the sidelines and that kind of thing over the years. I don't think that's what we've seen out of AJ this year. He's had A, he's kind of had a good, been in a good mental state. He's been doing a great job walking and I think that's the better way to handle it as a talented receiver. Coming at halftime, be like, hey, I got my guy. These guys cannot hold me one on one. And that's what I saw. And at that, when you, when A.J. brown is cooking, when A.J. brown's getting opportunities, the Philly offense unlocks and you know, the poise and the demeanor of Jalen Hurts is awesome. But AJ Brown to me is, is the difference maker in a big way for that, for that scheme.

Colin Cowherd (17:32)

So I picked the Seahawks to be one of my surprise teams. I like, I love the NFL draft. I thought they had their third straight excellent draft, but I also love how.

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Colin Cowherd (17:45)

You know, everybody's like, is JSN a number one? I'm like, yeah, it looks like to me. And they got this kid, this fifth round kid out of Colorado State. He looks like he's a big time player, but I don't know, I just, I watched the speed, I watched the velocity. I mean, that first half yesterday against the Saints, Matt, it looked like a pro team and a really good college team. Like it was. You don't see that in the NFL very much. Where Seattle had the ball seven minutes and led 38 to 6. I think the Seattle thing, I mean, they blew the Steelers out in Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh's now got a winning record. What do you make of how they're using Darnold?

Matt Hasselbeck (18:22)

Well, I think it was a swing and a miss week one. You know, week one they played the Niners and they got away from what they wanted to be. They became this like drop back shotgun team without a fullback. And I think Mike McDonald did a good job of kind of correcting the market a little bit going into week two. Like, no, no, no, no. That's not the vision. Here's the vision. I want to be a downhill play action team. I want to be under center more. I want to move the pocket. I want to have a fullback in the game. That's what I want to be. And here's how it fits with our offense in our defense. And I think message was heard loud and clear. This is one of the best offenses the last two weeks. Yesterday was like you said it was. It was big brother, little brother, scoring on special teams. But you know, really when you look at the pass protection around Sam Darnold, I think that's the key for him. And JSN is One of the game's best receivers that people don't talk about, don't know about. He kind of had a little bit of a flu game yesterday where he came out and, you know, looked like Michael Jordan at times. But when offensive linemen get to fire out and play run action at least half the time, it helps everything. And I think that's the thing that some people do well. Some people talk about it, but don't do it as well. Seattle, I would say week two and week three, they've figured that out. And so, you know, if you can continue that, I think that Sam Darnold can have the kind of year that he had last year without Kevin o', Connell, without Justin Jefferson. He's playing really, really good football right now.

Colin Cowherd (19:46)

So I do think Worthy and Rashid Rice would help. But I tend to believe offenses are about the play designer, the quarterback and the offensive line. And an offensive line can take an average back and make him a B plus back. I look at Kansas City and I don't care if the receivers come back. They can't run the ball, the pass protection. I don't think Mahomes always trusts it. I think we have to be honest about what Kansas City is right now. Offensively. I mean, they're like 22nd in time of possession. I don't think they're going to be a very good offense. I think they'll get slightly better, but I mean, with Mahomes and Reed, they. They can't pick up first downs. I mean, do you think the two new receivers or the two receivers coming back will make a huge difference?

Matt Hasselbeck (20:29)

Yeah, I think it'd be a big difference. But, you know, Kansas City almost feels like this, this team to me, that they're almost like just like bored right now. It's almost like, yeah, we're just going to kind of like. Like an NBA team that's just like, yeah, we'll wait till the playoffs to play our best football, you know? You know, like that's almost the mindset. It's not that they're not trying. I know that they're trying, but they just seem out of sync. I think they're not. Like we talked about all those things earlier about playing on rhythm and spreading the ball around and like put helping out the guys around you in terms of offensive line. They're just doing what they always did and they're less talented than they used to be. You know, injuries are a thing. Age is a thing. You know, maybe some, some of, maybe like people have like figured them out and Studied them a little bit, so they maybe need to get a little refresher. And sometimes they can be their own worst enemy, like just getting too cute at times. But no, I think this is a team that'll be relevant at the end of the year. They just might not get to play it at Arrowhead, that's all. You know, they might be a road team the entire playoffs. And again, I think they're. They're just one of those teams that they would be fine with it. They're resilient that way. And I also would not be surprised to see them being active at the trade deadline.

Colin Cowherd (21:35)

Yeah, no, I think there's a. I think the Rams need a corner if they want to be. You know, I mean, I think there are some teams that just need things and you can't solve them in your own camp.

Matt Hasselbeck (21:43)

Finally, there's. There's a. Yeah, there's a. You know, I'm watching the Tyree Kill situation very closely because if that team gets really bad, you know, would. Would that make sense with Tyree Kill going back to Kansas City ever be a thing? I'm curious about that. That would change what that offense would look like right away.

Colin Cowherd (22:00)

Finally, I want to go back to Josh Allen. I said this last week that I always thought there were things you could change about a quarterback.

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Colin Cowherd (22:10)

You can't change certain traits. And I always said, man, you find these reckless quarterbacks reckless early, reckless late. Like, that's DNA, that's, that's. Some guys are just. It just. They just play with a chip. They play a little loose. Like Jay Cutler was like always to me, like big time talent. He was going to throw bad picks. Philip Rivers did that. And Josh Allen has literally eliminated, like, his flaw. And I don't know who to give credit for, but the fact that his last 12 games he's got 30 touchdowns and one pick, I don't think I've ever seen anything like that. What do you make of it?

Matt Hasselbeck (22:47)

He's incredible. I mean, every single year, at the end of the year, you could point to this is the thing that he's improved on. I think that he deserves a lot of credit, but I think the coaches as well. Like, he was reckless with his body and reckless with the ball at the beginning of his career. Then he became just reckless with his body and less reckless with the ball. Now I don't think he's reckless at all, hardly. And I think what they've done is they've said, okay, you want to be crazy, you know, with your scrambles and all this kind of stuff. Let's do some design. Quarterback runs run, you know, like we're faking it to the running back but you're actually reading it. And then let's run counter. Pulling the guard, pulling the tackle and it's quarterback run game. It's a lot of college run game, but it's almost like they're saying, hey, you get your 6, 7, 8 yards and get down. Or at least like as a quarterback, I know this from, from personal experience. When you know the hits coming, it's not nearly as bad. It's when you don't know that it's coming, that that's kind of where injuries can happen. So I think there's like a little bit more design in a little bit more structure to him as, as sort of like being reckless, quote unquote. Like it's almost like the illusion of reckless, but it's really within the play design. And I just think he's been, he's been awesome. Teammates love him, the stadium loves him. You know, all those things. I think the opponent fears him. I think it's really cool to see, you know, he is definitely on the Mount Rushmore on the podium. Whatever you want to say with the top quarterbacks in the game right now.

Colin Cowherd (24:11)

Good stuff as always. Matt Hasselbeck, my friend. Thanks on a Monday for stopping by.

Matt Hasselbeck (24:16)

See you calling.

Colin Cowherd (24:18)

Yeah, it's. It was the nuttiest day it all week. J. Mac kept telling me Atlanta looks tasty. And I said, J. Mac, I can show you receipts of 30 years betting the Falcons and. But there, there were some genuine surprises. I mean, Green Bay with extra prep to lose at Cleveland is a jaw dropper. And the bucks almost squandering.

Jason McIntyre (24:44)

23 to.

Colin Cowherd (24:44)

6 league at home with Baker. I mean we had one major upset. We almost had four other ones.

Jason McIntyre (24:51)

Major. Colin, let me give you the list of quarterbacks who threw for under 200 yards yesterday. Matthew Stafford, Jordan Love, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Bo Nix, Aaron Rodgers, Bryce young threw for 121 yards and 130 to nothing. This yesterday was crazy. Nothing's making sense. How is Stafford held to 200 yards? I don't really understand.

Colin Cowherd (25:16)

What's interesting is, I mean they came, they had a chance to seal that game. Puka dropped the touchdown. It wasn't easy.

Jason McIntyre (25:23)

No, no, no, not easy, but he.

Colin Cowherd (25:25)

Dropped that and then you're thinking, okay, they'll get a field goal and it got blocked and that was the game. Like if you're on the road against Philadelphia, you got to make one of those two. You either got to make the field goal or you got to catch the touchdown. And when they missed both, I was like, okay, okay. You cannot do that against Philadelphia because Philadelphia in the second half, I mean, you saw it, they just decided we're going to go to A.J. brown, and the Rams don't have the personnel to stop that.

Jason McIntyre (25:51)

So do you still trade AJ Brown if you're the Eagles or do you just hold on to them? What's the move here?

Colin Cowherd (25:56)

I pulled that. Take over to a rest area. I'm going to get a Dunkin Donuts. We'll wait a little bit on that.

Jason McIntyre (26:02)

Oh, good.

Colin Cowherd (26:02)

That's good.

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Colin Cowherd (31:01)

Tomorrow we give you the herd hierarchy. We're gonna sneak the bears in there. Come on. Okay, a little off to me, you know, I mean, just, I try to be positive on a Monday. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

Fox Sports Radio Announcer (31:18)

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Jason McIntyre (31:21)

I think the audience is going to be rooting for the Colts to be ahead of the Chiefs in the herd hierarchy. Let's start with those fumbling, bumbling Kansas City Chiefs. Colin. Hey, look at this drama. Andy Reid and Travis Kelce. Little chest bump. Little. Shut your mouth.

Colin Cowherd (31:37)

Little.

Jason McIntyre (31:38)

I don't know what's going on here. I didn't think it was anything. I thought it was kind of Reed pumping his guys up. But then if you look at that angle, Colin Reed is actually hot. Yeah, he's very heated. Here's Andy downplaying, of course, the interaction.

Andy Reid (31:53)

I love Travis's passion, man. So I'm okay with that. We didn't have enough of it that second quarter. Well, you know, it wasn't where we needed to be. So within reason, you know, he knows. He knows when to, when to back off the pedal and knows when to push it too. So that's the part I love about him. The guy's all in. You know, just sometimes I have to be the policeman.

Colin Cowherd (32:20)

You know, Steve Kerr and Draymond Green, when they were in the middle of that dynasty, there were locker room collisions. Like, I think this is, I mean, Brady and Josh McDaniel. This is the one thing I'm going to say. When you get, when you have a great team and you've won titles, the intensity and the pressure to win again, all eyes on you like this stuff doesn't bother Peyton Manning in his prime and Jeff Saturday going at it. It's like, no, that's the way it works. When you're a bad team, you're not as all in and that you have less like, like I mean these guys are playing for legacies and titles. Kelsey, this could be his last year. Andy Reid, he's not gonna be coaching in seven years. So I know whenever I see great teams as they age and they have these dust ups, like sometimes as dynasties age, what you lose is juice. And I think Andy Reid said we just did not bring the juice in the first half.

Jason McIntyre (33:16)

That's fair. They also had one of these in the super bowl on the sideline. So that's two in the last four games. By the way, here's Travis Kelce's season numbers. 10 catches, 134 yards and a touchdown. That's like a Trey McBride Sunday. Okay. Travis Kelsey season has 10 catches. Colin.

Colin Cowherd (33:36)

I think, well, I think it's fair to say Travis is going to have great game like Baltimore next week. He'll be ready to go. Oh really?

Jason McIntyre (33:44)

Okay.

Colin Cowherd (33:44)

Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (33:44)

He's going to torture o' Clan Smith and come. Okay.

Colin Cowherd (33:46)

All right. No, I'm not saying he's going to, but I'm saying he, he's at the point in his career where he picks his spots a little bit. That's not ideal but I think he is. He is.

Jason McIntyre (33:56)

I don't think maybe he picked this last night as a spot to light up the Giants and he had four catches for 26 yards. Colin, I again, I, I know Chiefs fans thinks I'm just being a hater. If you watch them, this is not the same Chiefs team from two, three years ago. It's just not. No, they are not. They're not good.

Colin Cowherd (34:14)

They can't throw the ball at all.

Jason McIntyre (34:15)

Yeah. Cannot. Yeah. Let's go to the Cowboys. Colin, Listen, I don't know what on earth Jerry Jones is talking about. I guess he felt like neglected and people weren't talking about him. So now he said something silly again. Jerry Jones, after the loss to the Bears where they looked terrible, he still believes his team is playoff caliber.

Covino (34:36)

Is this a playoff caliber team?

Colin Cowherd (34:38)

The Cowboys?

Matt Hasselbeck (34:39)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (34:40)

I will tell you. Yes, yes. And, and that's because you saw number.

Andy Reid (34:45)

Four out there today and you saw.

Colin Cowherd (34:47)

What I think we're capable of doing in the running game and that type deal. So yes, I fully do. Now we've got to, as we evolve toward the playoffs, we've got to get better Defensively, I will say this CD Lamb gets hurt. This is a very top heavy roster. You take out Micah, the defense is worse. When they took out CD Lamb, you've got Turpin and Tolbert. Pickens does not separate. He's just hard to bring down. You've got solid tight ends. Dak Prescott wanted to throw the ball down the field. You could see him, he was getting time to throw and he was padding the ball. Dak is not a dink and dunk guy. Dak was trying to throw the ball down the field. Jason, when Ceedee Lamb was out, nobody is open. Nobody. Dak had time, he was. Dak wanted to throw down field and there Pickens is a great after the catch, hard to bring down guy, but he doesn't separate like CD Lamb. He's not that guy. And so I think what happens is basically yesterday, no Micah, no CD Lamb. And it's a bunch of B players and C players. Those guys are A's. You take them out, there is a major drop off. I mean, Javante Williams has been nice. Dak is very good, but Dak was limited. There's just nobody to throw to that gets open. Look how open the Bears receivers were. Look how open the Cowboys were when CD Lamb got hurt.

Jason McIntyre (36:14)

Not good. You know, since my car got repossessed from losing bets on the Titans and Falcons, I may have to just put everything I've got, everything. Maybe you can front me my salary on the packers this week against the Cowboys. CD Lamb is out there getting destroyed and I think they lose anyway. I think Jordan Love is going to do what Caleb did and what Russell Wilson did and he's going to light this defense up in Cowboy Stadium. Do you think Cowboy season over a one and three, right?

Colin Cowherd (36:41)

Well, I just, I mean, I think we both said this. One of the reasons they moved off the Micah Parsons contract is they just did not want to be top heavy. So now they have four first round picks in the next two drafts and those could become. Because they don't need a quarterback. So, Jason, that's a great place to be in. We got two first round picks. I mean, the Rams are going to take their two firsts and probably get a quarterback. Same with Cleveland. Dallas has two firsts and they don't need a quarterback.

Jason McIntyre (37:10)

Okay.

Colin Cowherd (37:11)

That's incredible leverage. So what Dallas needed to do was, listen, this is going to be bad for a year. He's going to go to Green Bay and be great. We're going to look like idiots. Just wait till April. Dallas will Refurnish their roster. They'll get multiple picks out of their two first. They're just not equipped right now. If CD Lamb gets hurt, there's nobody that separates on this receiving core.

Jason McIntyre (37:35)

Why don't we take it a step further, Colin? Instead of just having a couple picks, why don't we go and move Trayvon Diggs to somebody who needs a cornerback? I mean, let's just start trading guys on a defense. That ain't stopping anybody anyway.

Colin Cowherd (37:47)

Well, that is not terrible.

Jason McIntyre (37:49)

Now, Diggs has a bad, I think Biggs. I got to look at his contract before I speak. But you gotta just start moving off defenders. I mean, I don't know. Does somebody want Pickens for a stretch run here? You know, he's playing for a contract. I don't know. Kansas City Chiefs, like at some point, if you're Dallas, if you get smoked by The packers, you're 1 and 3. I, I, I, I know it's. Nobody wants to tank, but why not want to consider it? Colin?

Colin Cowherd (38:11)

I think they're, I think Houston may want to start moving parts.

Jason McIntyre (38:16)

I don't know.

Colin Cowherd (38:18)

I mean, well, they've got, I mean.

Jason McIntyre (38:19)

They have no offensive line whatsoever. No, but the Chargers could be in the market for offensive line. They need some help, right?

Colin Cowherd (38:25)

No, I think the Chargers O line, Rams corner. I think there's a handful of team. I mean, Kansas City may be in the market for a running back.

Jason McIntyre (38:35)

Maybe you need a shopping list, segment of who's going to be going after that at all. It does feel like every year the Chiefs are going to be in the super bowl, right? It feels like it's kind of wide open right now. Like, if I ask you who's going to be in the super bowl, nfc, afc, right now, who you got?

Colin Cowherd (38:50)

Well, I think I like Buffalo, but I don't love the back end of their defense. They need home games.

Jason McIntyre (38:56)

They're susceptible.

Colin Cowherd (38:57)

No, and I think the weather will be an advantage because the way to beat Buffalo so the ball down the field and you know, in lousy weather. I think Baltimore, Buffalo, I think the Chargers, you have to take seriously. I think Philadelphia and Green Bay Rams, everybody but Philadelphia's got holes. Everybody. Philadelphia has bad halves, but they don't have roster liabilities, I don't think.

Jason McIntyre (39:21)

Final story. Colin. College football, by the way, this weekend in college football.

Colin Cowherd (39:25)

Oh, my state.

Jason McIntyre (39:27)

Yeah, this past weekend it was fine. Bill Belichick in North Carolina got smoked by ucf. I watched some of this. They are inept. Colin, it was 34 to 9. Belichick has been outscored 82, 23 by two Big 12 opponents. And they have one of the worst offenses in the country. 5.3 yards per play. Not looking good for Belichick. I will admit that I whiffed on this. I just thought Belichick could coach him up and he's a.

Colin Cowherd (39:55)

Look at Bill Belichick's offensive career without Brady. Cleveland, pre, Brady, New England post, Brady, New England, Carolina. Look at his offensive output. I mean, I watched. I YouTubed. I didn't watch it live. I was watching Nebraska and Michigan was the game I was really concentrating on. And then Syracuse, Clemson early in USC late. But I watched the YouTube highlights on this. They don't have any playmate. I mean, they just don't have good enough offensive players.

Jason McIntyre (40:25)

The staff wants me to know that we have video of Belichick's young girlfriend giving him a pre game pep talk. So can we roll that footage here? Everybody wants to see Jordan Hudson's very nice outfit. She's got the knee high boots, the. I'm gonna stop describing it. Bottom line, that's about the highlight there for the Tar Heels. Who next face Clemson? Clemson's not good. But this game had a lot of interest, like, I don't know, five weeks ago. And now it's like, oh, goodness.

Colin Cowherd (40:53)

I guess people, I guess Jon Gruden didn't like this a lot. This morning on Wake Up. I.

Jason McIntyre (40:58)

What happened?

Colin Cowherd (40:59)

Well, I mean, he. He said he'd never seen this wife or girlfriend on the sidelines. I don't know what to make of it. I. I mean, she's running sort of his social media stuff and maybe, I.

Jason McIntyre (41:09)

Don'T know, she wants. Wants to be on television. What do you don't know what to make of it? She wants the cameras picking her up. You don't think that outfit is. Look at me, everyone. Come on.

Colin Cowherd (41:17)

You may be right. I don't know. By the way, this weekend, Oregon at Penn State. Oh, that's going to be good. Yeah, Bama, Georgia, USC at Illinois. I'll be there. LSU at Ole Miss. That is going to be some heat.

Jason McIntyre (41:32)

I just texted the wife Saturday. I'm off limits. You know, let's get it. Let's get a Uber for the kids.

Colin Cowherd (41:39)

I think I. I think I like. Oh, boy. It's hard to bet against Penn State.

Jason McIntyre (41:45)

At home at night, too.

Colin Cowherd (41:46)

Yeah, that's a rough one. I'd probably take Penn State. Usc.

Jason McIntyre (41:50)

I'm not betting against Dan Lanning. And a big spot. James Franklin loves to lay a big egg, you know, that against top 10 teams.

Colin Cowherd (41:59)

Who does?

Jason McIntyre (41:59)

James Franklin. He can never win the big game. Maybe this is it.

Colin Cowherd (42:03)

God, that's gonna be great. TV J. Mac with the news.

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Colin Cowherd (42:13)

I mean, I'm telling you, you know, I said last week, Jim Harbaugh, greatest football coach of all time, all I got, all I got back was pushback. But I hope you watch yesterday because another example of that, it's the Herd.

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Colin Cowherd (46:46)

Got my red shoes taking the train down to Champaign Urbana.

Jason McIntyre (46:50)

Did you, didn't you say Illinois was gonna be in like the playoff or something?

Colin Cowherd (46:54)

That was like then. I watched the Indiana game by 50i.

Jason McIntyre (46:58)

The Indiana quarterback is now like a Heisman contender. I was like what? Who is this guy?

Colin Cowherd (47:04)

So first of all, we've talked about this a lot on the show. There are so many good offensive coaches that before you bury a quarterback, he probably has a potential career resurrection. So Mac Jones, the League gave up on. It's over. Not Kyle Shanahan. He's now 20 with the San Francisco 49ers and he's not handing the ball off to Christian McCaffrey. 80 attempts in his two starts. So Mac Jones is again. There are so many smart offensive coaches. Kyle Shanahan's one of them. You think Mac Jones career is over? It used to be. Twenty years ago it would have been over. Not what happens anymore. You get second, third and fourth chances because of the great offensive coaching. Daniel Jones, I mean, we all rolled our eyes when he went to the Vikings. Oh, give me a break. They're not going to make Daniel Jones. But Daniel Jones is throwing the ball down the field for the Colts 6 of 9 yesterday on downfield throws. But he was always a big guy who moved. Well, he is spinning it. Danny Dimes is Danny Dollars. He is spinning it, baby. So this is something we've been on for two or three years. It used to be if your first team and you didn't work, it was over. You may get a second chance. Guys are getting second, third, fourth, fifth chances. And Mack and Dan Jones look great thanks to great offensive coaching and decent support systems. The other thing is, Matt Hasselbeck was on earlier. We talked about Herbert and Harbaugh. If Jim Harbaugh could go to the lab and create a quarterback, it would be a big, smart, strong, tough, coachable, egoless quarterback. And that's what Justin Herbert is. Herbert Yesterday got hit 14 times. He got pressured on 55% of his snaps. He got the snot kicked out of him and that kid just stayed in the pocket. And I think his physical resilience is remarkable. And here's. Here's Matt Hasselbeck. Earlier on, Harbaugh unlocking Justin Herbert to.

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Another level, Harbaugh basically said, listen, I'm going to get the best of Justin Herbert by having this philosophy. And now you're seeing it this year. You're seeing Justin Herbert put the team on his back, playing like an mvp, making all world throws in the pocket, feeling healthy enough to do it. I think Harbaugh has the vision for what Herbert can be. And everyone's buying in. Everyone's buying in. I think the opponent is starting to buy in a little bit too. Like, oh, shoot, man, this guy is one of the elite quarterbacks. You know, even when we call the perfect play defensively, he goes above the X's and O's and makes stuff happen.

Colin Cowherd (49:52)

I thought the AFC west was the most difficult division for me to predict. I Picked Denver, Kansas City Chargers. I thought the Rashawn Slater injury would be a little bit of a death knell for the offense. Well, they've unlocked Quentin Johnson, who looked like a bust a year ago. Nope. Lad McConkey still great. Hampton now coming into his own. Joel Alt did give up a sack yesterday, but moved right tackle to left. He's been excellent. And Jim Harbaugh is now 14 and 7 as a Charger coach. 12. 0 last year at Michigan. So Jim Harbaugh's last 33 games, he has a winning percentage of almost 79% at Michigan and with the Chargers. And he inherited a mess. The culture was broken, the defense was broken. Herbert wasn't broken. But he wasn't at his best. He had regressed. Now. And I've said everybody in life needs their kingmaker. It doesn't matter if you're listening to me. You're a salesperson, you're a manager, everybody. You can't do it in an island. And Justin Herbert was always talented. We have unlocked. We have unlocked the perfect marriage. And I said earlier, there have been great matches and marriages in our life. Harbaugh and Herbert take a back seat to nobody. You can say, well, Simon and Garfunkel. Don't tell me Herbert and Harbaugh could not have been Simon and Garfunkel. Mario and Luigi. Don't tell me they're taking a back seat to those guys. Or Abbott and Costello. I'm not buying it. Herbert and Harbaugh are in their class. Hey, Batman and Robin. J. Mac, don't kid yourself. These guys are the Batman and Robin of the NFL. Siegfried and Roy may be a little bit of a stretch. I'll be honest, this one's a bit of a stretch. All I know is when I watch Herbert and Harbaugh, there are coaches and quarterbacks that like. I think Mahomes and Reed won the great play designer and won the hyper, creative quarterback. Reed and Mahomes is a perfect marriage. Sometimes coaches tolerate quarterbacks. Pete Carroll, Russell Wilson. It feels like they're tolerating each other. Herbert and Harbaugh. To me, I mean, this is what Jim Harbaugh was. A less talented version of Herbert. Big, tough, strong, smart, resilient. Tough like that. That. That's what Harbaugh was. He didn't have huge talent, but he was talented. I think. I think Jim knows, like we all know, he came here for Herbert. I think Herbert's better than he thought. I think Justin Herbert is better than Jim Harbaugh thought. And I think Jim Harbaugh in that opening press conference thought he was great. Yeah, Zig Bridge Maiden Roy is a bit of a stretch.

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