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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong, more on Brian Daboll being fired, Matt Hasslebeck
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
Here we go. Our two on a Monday. Matt Hasselbeck, three to four minutes out. The news of the day just changed. Brian Dabel out. Just like the jets last year, firing the head coach middle of the season. Who happens to be the best coach on the staff? Not what I would have done, but it does give you a head start on the best coach available on the market. Mike McCarthy would be my guy. Offensive guy. It's an offensive league. You can go to Cooper Rush, Aaron Rodgers, you can go to Dak Prescott. I think he's a good B plus, you know, Would an A coach want that job? No. I got news for eight coaches like Mike Frable. They don't want the jets or the Giants. He wanted to go back to Robert Kraft. Jim Harbaugh's not leaving Michigan for the jets or Giants. Sean Payton's not taking those jobs. What happens in the NFL is the good coaches use the jets and the Giants. Make sure everybody thinks they're interested. Then they take the better job with the better owner. But I wouldn't have fired Day Ball. That's me. I'll talk to Matt Hasselbeck in a few minutes. But it is Monday. Colin right? Colin wrong. And here we go.
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Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
I said three years ago, I said if Matt Stafford ends his career like I think he's going to end it. You're going to look at he and Aaron Rodgers and say who is really better right now? He's the MVP. Last two years, 45 touchdowns, 10 interceptions and Aaron looks really old. Matt Stafford with this coach finally has a reasonable chance every Sunday to succeed. And there's not a better guy from the pocket in the NFL right now than Matt Stafford of the LA Rams.
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Where Colin was wrong, I defended hiring.
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Colin Cowherd
74 year old Pete Carroll. But Seattle's on fire since he left and the Raiders are getting progressively worse. He pursued Geno Smith. That I don't get. Pete had a year off to reflect and modernize and I don't know, nothing's working. I'm not expecting you to win eight games. Nothing looks good. The special teams, the run game, the defense, none of it looks buttoned up.
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Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
The Niners are what I thought they were. Not as good as Seattle or the Rams. That's why I picked them for third. People said, are you out of your mind? And I said, they're old, expensive and brittle. Old players get hurt more, more. And it takes longer for the old players to get back. It's not Max Jones. Mac Jones is doing fine. Don't, don't, don't blame Mac Jones. That's not the issue. The issue is the 49ers are an old football team. And you are seeing the results of that very old football team.
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Where Colin was wrong.
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Colin Cowherd
Now we can show the Michael Penix video. Three straight games, completing less than 60% of his throws. And I liked him out of college. In fact, he had 45 career starts. So my takeaway was he's going to be kind of ready to play. Boy, he misses and he misses badly. A lot. So the last two weeks he's also 1 for 18 on third down. So he looks uncomfortable. He's skipping a lot of balls. It doesn't look right. And I gotta take a wrong on this. It's like a J.J. mcCarthy. It just doesn't feel like the right guy.
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Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
I said a couple years ago, John Snyder is as good as any personnel guy in the NFL. And since he and Pete Carroll have separated and it is now his roster, I think there's an argument this is the best and fastest roster in the NFL. Turn the sound down and watch the Seahawks. He also got a third round pick for Geno Smith. That's great GMing. He's also paying Sam Darnold less than Taysom Hill makes as a cap hit. That is great GMing. Right now this roster is as good as any in the league. And that's because the last two years John Snyder has totally controlled personnel.
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Where Colin was wrong, I said the Dallas Mavericks.
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Colin Cowherd
I said they're going to make the Western Conference finals. They are now the worst shooting team in the west, second worst in the league. Offensively, they're brutal. They don't have a true point guard. They don't really have a leader. Maybe Kyrie Irving when he comes back. They're very directionless. They're either too young or kind of old. So the only team in the league that's worst offensively is the Pacers. Boy, did I miss on the Dallas Mavericks.
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Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
Everybody bailed on Calen DeBoer. Oh, Calen Deborah is no Nick Saban. Well, he's beaten Georgia, Tennessee, lsu, Vandy and Missouri Four straight ranked matchups that he's won. And you know it takes. Even if you replace Nick Saban, you got to build your own culture and nobody's discussing. The truth is in the nil world, Bama doesn't have a lot of money. Ohio State's got better players than Alabama and it's not particularly close. Last year Ohio State also had better players. So they are not the Saban Crimson Tide. And Nick Saban saw that train coming and he went to broadcasting. So Calyn DeBoer, they got Oklahoma, they'll win a directional school and then Auburn. He's going to make the playoffs.
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Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
I worried about hiring two coordinators in house. Dan Campbell admitted yesterday he took over the play calling. He didn't do that with Ben Johnson. So when you hire in house and don't have a global search, you may get a really good candidate, but you're not getting the best candidates. I thought they played it safe, they played it comfortable and the NFL is a league of discomfort, so. And Dan Campbell soft sold it, you know, I mean it was a collaborative effort. He took over play calling from the oc. That's not what he wanted to do at the start of the season. Colin, right? Colin wrong on a Monday with that, Matt Hasselbeck, 18 years in the NFL joining us live.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, we put up 45 points, almost 600 yards. Yeah, I was the play caller. Well, you know, so. Well, that's tough.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't, I don't like firing the best coach in the staff mid season. If you're going to fire a coach, get to the end of the season because I always worry about the substitute teacher law. Everybody loves the interim. Everybody plays great with the interim. They win three games and everybody goes higher. The interim again, that's not the best coach. It's the interim. I don't like firing Brian Dabel now, who had a good relationship with Jackson Dart. What say you?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, listen, I get that point but there's a lot more that goes into this and you know, the losing record, I think 20 and 40 over his career and stuff like that, the embarrassing game management loss this last week, I don't think it's those things. I think, I think that concussion protocol mix up, you know, I think that's, I don't think that's, that's not the New York Giants, they don't want to be known for stuff like that on the fringes. And I think that played into it. And I think the bigger thing is just that your star quarterback, your Prized possession. He's been in that blue tent way too much. I think he's been evaluated for concussions four times since he's been playing recently. And they're running him the way that they were running, like Saquon Barkley. You know, they're all this quarterback run game. I get it. You get an advantage in the run game. It's working. At the same time, you got to have a little bit more care for the future of the franchise. And that's exactly what that quarterback is. And so. And I think those things also played into this thing. And just one other thing. If you think the fact that Daniel Jones having the success that he's having with the Indianapolis Colts doesn't play into this decision as well, you're crazy. Like this. This absolutely plays into the decision.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, that's interesting because Darnold's tearing it up in Seattle and everybody in Minnesota is going, kevin, why did you let him walk?
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Matt Hasselbeck
I mean, it's not so much about just letting somebody walk. Like you're having closed or closed door discussions and saying like, you know, what's our problem? What's our thing? And like, maybe you're saying, like, we just don't have the right quarterback. He's just not elite. We need someone who's really like, clutch, you know, like, like whatever the things are that were said in closed door meetings. And then all of a sudden he goes and he's having the kind of year that he's having with Indianapolis Colts. It's like, maybe, maybe you were wrong about that. So I think it all adds up. And, but again, I think how they have kind of handled, like, do we trust you with our prize possession and Jackson Dart, you know, they're not so sure. And Mike Kafka, listen, he's a guy that, he gets named for head coaching interviews every off season. It feels like he's, you know, he's been with Andy Reid. He's kind of seen behind the curtain there. Coach Patrick Mahomes, like, so I think there's like an element there too where it's like, well, let's see what this guy has before we go into our coaching search.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so I'm, I am watching. I said I, I literally feel like I have a beat on everybody in the league except Pittsburgh. They can, they can hammer the Patriots and hammer the Colts and lose to the Bengals and get blown out three times. And I said, I'm going to theorize here, but they're the second oldest team in the league. And whereas Seattle is young and Feels like they're ascending old teams. As the weather gets cold, guys get hurt longer to get back. That's the only thing I can figure out because I honestly do not know game to game, week to week, what I get with Pittsburgh and I feel like everybody else in the league, I got a little bit of a beat on. What did you make of last night?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, I don't know if Pittsburgh's really that good. I mean, you say that they beat down the Colts and beat down the Patriots. I mean, I think they had like maybe six turnovers in one of those games and won by seven. So like, I'm not sure if they're really sure who they are. You know, their defense was really poor early. Then they put it together, started playing great, created those turnovers, like I said. But, you know, I just, I think this offense looks like Aaron Rodgers with the New York jets again. You know, they abandoned the run game. Once they get down inside the 10 yard line. It's a lot of check with me type stuff. The run is there and Aaron's trying to use his all world arm and you know, kind of has that arm arrogance in the red zone with the guys like DK Metcalf, man, just hand the ball off sometimes you got numbers. And that's who the Pittsburgh Steelers want to be. That's who they, that's who they've been for a long time. So they get, they got to be careful because for a while it looked like they were a playoff team running away with this division. But you know, Cincinnati's not that far back. Joe Burrow's coming back, Lamar Jackson's coming back. Cincinnati, I would say Pittsburgh, they gotta, they gotta figure out an identity and do it quick.
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Colin Cowherd
So, you know, I said, one of the reasons I think, you know this, the NFL is a league of discomfort. Somebody's always hurt. And it's also a league in which there's a Rubik's Cube field of the NFL. There's always a problem and you got to solve it quickly. You don't get enough season, you got to solve stuff in one or two weeks. Kansas City, Josh Simmons out a month. Left tackle. Oh, receiver goes down. Puka's hurt. Sean McVeigh's like four tight ends in London. That's the league you have to solve issues with. Buffalo, it took him years to figure out running back before they drafted James Cook. Now they're passing game. The last year is a mess. Like, I feel like McDermott is a good coach, but in a league of offensive coaches, Matt, I Think the offensive guys solve stuff in season better than defensive coaches with quarterbacks. That's my take, Tomlin. I've been waiting for the run game to work seven years, you know, so I look at McDermott and that performance, I'm like, is it possible sometimes not every coach that's fired is bad. Mike McCarthy wasn't bad. Do you keep McDermott forever?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I mean, you bring up some good points and meet even, even the game last night, you know, you saw the L A Chargers working around their injury situation, you know, and, and you know, getting creative. I think the problem for the Buffalo Bills though is that, you know, they're not very good on defense. And I've been saying this, I mean, I feel bad when I say it because, like, I've been saying it so long and so much. Like last year, their defense let their offense down. This year, to me, their defense is letting their offense down. And you know, people are going to say like, oh, they picked off to a twice. Like those are like punts. Those are just like throw up. Like when you look at what they are in critical, critical moments, they don't stop the run, they don't make plays on third down, they don't make plays in the red zone. And you know, I think they just help, you know, they think that, you know, Superman is going to help them out on the other side of the ball. So, you know, I listen having gone up against Sean McDermott many times when he was a coordinator, he was a very, very difficult coach to go up against. I have a tremendous amount of respect for him as a coach. However, when I turn on the film and I watch their defense play, I just don't see championship level defense coming out of there. I don't, I didn't see it last year, I don't see it this year. They don't tackle well. You got D lineman using spin moves on run plays. I don't like what I see there. And part of the reason that the New England Patriots look like they're going to win the AFC east, are you.
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Colin Cowherd
I watched Drake May yesterday. I mean, I thought they would be a really interesting team, but they're not even. I mean, they just started playing Kyle Williams, who is a burner, and Travion Henderson. So, you know, Vrabel's like, listen, you got to learn the playbook. You better block. And I can see, you know, Vrabel likes physical teams. I could see him not. Kyle's a thin guy. You're not blocking enough for Travian Henderson. Like I get that so those are really good players who yesterday really surfaced as potential stars. How surprised are you? Go back to your second year in the league. The game looks pretty easy for Drake, doesn't it? Easier than it should.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, listen, Mike Vrabel, Josh McDaniels have done an incredible job with Drake May. But it's not just Drake May. You know those guys you mentioned, Trayvon Henderson started the year third string. Kyle Williams is like a third stringer, like a committee. They're getting major, major contributions out of a guy Bills let go and Matt Collins and I think it all works together. I think Drake May is still a young quarterback learning, which is wild to think because he's playing so great. Travion Henderson's a future star. Reminds me of Christian McCaffrey. But Vrabel took this approach where he basically got rid of every captain that the Patriots ever had and said, hey, we're going to take a long term approach for sustained success here in New England. That's why it's ironic that they're doing so well and they're winning as much as they are so far. And it hasn't been like, hey, this is all on you, Stefan Diggs. Mac, sorry, not Mac Jones. Drake May. He's been spreading the ball around much more than quarterbacks in the past have done. For the Patriots, it's been wide receiver by committee, it's been a little bit of running back commit by committee and then Hunter Henry at tight end. So I think the future is really bright. I just don't think people thought it was going to be this soon.
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Colin Cowherd
So I think both of us agreed to the first five or six weeks it was more Ben Johnson than Caleb. But I said before there's certain things about Caleb that are true. He's really durable. He doesn't, he doesn't go to the tent. Okay. He doesn't throw a lot of picks. He does hold the ball too long. But I think some of that is born from. I'll just escape like I'm going to hold it another beat. I watched him yesterday in crappy weather and I was like, I thought at the end of the game, I thought, I thought his last like three possessions, I was, I was really, really impressed. Top to bottom, your sense on what you've seen during this winning streak.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah. I think you probably like Caleb more than me. I think you're ready to. Yeah, I've heard you say some things that maybe you're just trying for content for when Colin was wrong later. Listen, I, I, I, he's A young player. And so he's done a great job of improving on the things that he needed to improve on. Last year I got on here every week and I said he's got bad body language. He holds onto the ball too long, he takes too many sacks. You know, stuff like that. Ben Johnson gets hired, he basically said the exact same things. And Caleb, to his credit, has fixed them. He took no sacks again this past week. He's finding checkdowns. He's not check down Charlie, he's taking shots down the field. But if it's not there on rhythm, protect the team, protect the offensive line. He's getting the ball out. I think Ryan Polls has done an incredible job of basically surrounding him with great talent, especially up front. I mean, they bring in Ozzie Tropillo as an extra tight end for more pass protection. Selling the he's got time and then you put him in the shotgun game. Most of his success is under center play action. Shotgun game in two minute. He's done a great job. So listen, am I going to like crown him like you are because he beat the New York Giants? No, I'm not. But Ben Johnson, like I've said, he is the real deal. And if Caleb buys in and allows himself to be fully, fully coached by this coach, he'll have a long future in this division on this team and the team that's been starving for great quarterback play.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, maybe I'm a little hot on him right now. That's probably fair.
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Matt Hasselbeck
You just need more content. Are you trying to even out the scales? Yeah, too much. When Colin was right, you just needed a little more. Colin wrong for later. I get it. Smart. It's next level. That's you like those pool players who, like, they're not just trying to get like the, the certain ball and they're trying to set up their next shot. I like that.
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Colin Cowherd
I wish I was that smart. I'm watching the Seahawks and I know Pete and John Snyder were not on the same page about three years ago. And then Pete leaves and then John, this is his roster and the last couple of drafts. I've come on that Monday after the draft and I've been like, man, that that's a good draft. And then they get Sam Darnold, who has less of a cap hit than Taysom Hill. They get a third round pick for Gino. And I guess my point is when I watch Seattle play and if I turn the sound down, Matt, that's the fastest team in the league. They have athletes everywhere. I'm not sure. What the hole is like with Philadelphia, I can say, well, they got an AJ Brown, Jalen hurts issue. I don't love their corners. I don't see anything with the Seahawks I'm not supposed to like. What do you make of it?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I'll tell you, the stuff you didn't like early in the year that, you know, they were calling for certain people to get cut, traded, bench, all that stuff. Those people have been getting coached and they're playing well. I mean, this Seahawks team has been impressive in all three phases. I mean, I think they've scored 30 points three times in the first half of a game this year. So what's been ironic about them, they're unbelievable on the road and they have struggled a little bit at home. They lost to Tampa at home in a game that they should have won. So doing what they did yesterday at home, I think sends a message of like, hey, we are a team improving on our mistakes. And Mike McDonald, John Schneider, like you said, they're in lockstep. I also think that one of the best things I could say about this team is that this is a team that the players feel like we care about the success of this team more than our coaching staff and that good teams, the coaches, care more than the players. Great teams, the players care more than the coaches. And I think that's what you find in Seattle.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, let's circle back. Brian Dabel's gone. I don't love doing it now.
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Colin Cowherd
And it's a great point. Mike Kafka has been around this league. Northwestern guy, if I recall. So a pretty smart quarterback at Northwestern. You're okay with it because of Kafka? Like, if they didn't have him, you'd be a little unsettled. But you do think they have a guy in the building that they should want to watch for a couple months. That's your take?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I. Listen, they're going to do a full search on. On anybody on the planet that they think can help get it right. But they have this guy that they're. This is like a little bit of an audition. I mean, he's the guy for the last, what, like three or four years, his name surfaces every time because they think that he's a great quarterback whisperer. Let's see. His personality is completely different than Brian. Brian Dabel's got. Where's his emotion? Like, you see it, you know it. Mike Kafka is not like that. So it's an opportunity for the Giants to see what they have. Much like when you start a young quarterback late in the year, you're saying, like we need to find out what we have in this guy to decide if we need to go out and draft the quarterback of the future or if we already have him in the building. We don't know it. That's kind of what I think about this situation here. And whoever they hire is going to have to be somebody that knows what they're doing when it comes to Jackson Darts or at least can hire the person who knows what they're doing when it comes to Jackson Garden.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, UCLA is going to move their football games to Sofi. They're leaving the Rose Bowl. What do you make of that?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Allegedly. Allegedly a little controversial right now. I was at the Rose bowl yesterday. Besides the hour and a half traffic to get up there, it's beautiful, beautiful place to be. So. Well, I, I don't know. I don't know what they're going to do there, but it's. It's a tricky situation, Colin. Tricky.
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Colin Cowherd
In la, it takes an hour and a half to get to the grocery store, an hour and a half to breathe. Great seeing you, buddy.
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Matt Hasselbeck
All right, see you.
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Colin Cowherd
Ah, love. Matt Hasselbeck on our show gives me crap. That's exactly. You know, I like it from him, from J. Mac, it gets really irritating. But from Hasselbeck, I can take it.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
By the way, that, that ucla. I'm glad you brought that up. That's a fascinating story. And it is super smart of UCLA to move their games to Sofi. You would agree with that, right?
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Colin Cowherd
I don't love it.
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Katie Couric
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
Are you out of your mouth? Have you been to SoFi versus where they currently play their games? Colin, so many more people will go to the games at Sofi. It's a, it's one of the best stadiums in the country right now. It's so new. It is a great venue. I think it's a great attraction.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it's closer. It's 10 miles. Well, it's 10 miles from the campus and the Rose bowl is almost 30. So that, that's, I mean, UCLA football's broken, so they have to do something to unbreak it. I mean, it's a broken program financially. They can't figure it out. It's like one of the lowest nils in the Big Ten. So they're trying to figure out a way to solve a broken football financial issue.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
They sound like a program that's ready to go get a big name coach. Hey, we're moving our games to Sofi. We're relevant. They're striving for relevance. Colin I think you see, I'm not going to compare it to other jobs in the country, but right now I think that job is on the uptick. Right now. Somebody they're going to get someone young and smart. And UCLA's on the rise for sure. Better job than the New York Giants, that's for sure.
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Colin Cowherd
Wait, hold on. It says here, it says here Westwood to SoFi. It's 23 miles. Really?
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
I can't confirm that. I only go by Apple maps. I don't know where anything is.
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Colin Cowherd
I just put how far is westward of the Rose Bowl? Not that the national audience cares. I thought it was a lot farther.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
I think they care more about that than the Chicago Bears offense. But I'm just kidding.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm joking.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, welcome back, Brian. Dave table has been let go by the New York Giants. Mike Kafka, quarterback coach. Quarterback whisperer probably takes the reins. I don't like firing coaches. Mid season. Mike McCarthy would get a call from me. You know, the Giants have done a lot of this coordinator stuff. What worked? Vrabel in New England, proven head coach. Sean Payton in Denver, proven head coach. Jim Harbaugh, Ram Chargers, proven head coach. The only thing that worked. Mike McCarthy, Green Bay to Dallas, proven head coach, won a lot of games. You can keep doing this coordinator thing. It is a 50, 50 at best shot. For more J. Mac with the news.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
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Colin Cowherd
Turn on the news.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
This is the Herd line news.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
All right, Colin, I've been chasing some numbers on this day bowl stuff. Giants fans are thrilled for some reason that Ryan Dabel is fired. Listen, obviously the wins haven't been there. Starting two and eight three straight years, not great. Blowing four double digit leads. Not great. But remember, Colin, this is the team that had a five and a half win total in the preseason in Vegas. Five and a half.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
There's not a lot of talent here. And oh, by the way, when you get a double digit lead, that means, man, you're doing some things right. Brian Dabel's doing things right with a rookie quarterback. Okay. In Denver, which is an 8 and 2 team. In Chicago, which is a playoff team.
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Colin Cowherd
So it tells you the game plans. He's breaking down film. They're taking leads. They can't close the leads out. Yeah, okay. There's a lot of reasons they lost their star back. Jackson dart gets beat up and they run him early. They may not want to run him as much late. They've also had offensive line injuries. So his scheming, his game plans are very, very good. It's a, it's an incredibly limited roster where the star offensive players all get banged up.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
Yeah, and remember this was supposed to be a great defense. Remember the hype around Abdul, Carter, Burns, Lawrence, they've got all these guys, Kayvon, Tibbett, all these dudes. They currently are 27th in the NFL in EPA per play. Defensively, that's horrific. If anything, I would have fired the defensive coordinator, not Dable, because again, Colin, if I can get a quarterback that's a rookie to pair with a coach and get double digit leads against Dallas and all these teams, I'm signing up for that. That means, like you said, the game plans are there. I don't know if Dable's gonna be a great head coach again. You and I seem to think maybe he gets interviews for head coaching jobs. Like, I don't know. Does Tennessee turn to Brian Dabel to fix Cam Ward? I don't have an answer. Like, is Tennessee an attractive job?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think in a place like Miami where he's the opposite personality of Mike McDaniels.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
Gruff.
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Colin Cowherd
He's a gruff accountability New York. You know, a lot of New Yorkers move down to Miami anyway, so he'll go down to Miami. He's intense. He's been a head coach, he's worked in a bigger media market, he's dealt with a young quarterback. Because I think Miami, I mean, if I was Brian Dabel or his agent, I would talk to the Dolphins and go, there was one guy that loved Jackson Dart. Ryan Dable, the GM didn't love him. The owner had mixed feelings. The analyst didn't like him. He was the one guy that said, give me Jackson Dart over Cam Ward. Well, isn't Miami going to draft a quarterback?
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
Well, that's interesting. Would Dabo want to work with Tua? I don't, I don't know. Is Miami going to be bad enough? They got a great win yesterday. I don't know if we'll do anything with that. It's an interesting scenario, but I think you're onto something with Dable. Remember when he was introduced to the Giants coach, he had this very like, I'm going to get in my truck and I'm going to drive to work and I'm going to put on my hard hat. That was the vibe. And Giants fans loved it. It and now he's going to go down to south beach and toughen up what's perceived to be a soft team. I, I think you could be onto something. All right, let's move on to Monday Night Football.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Big one.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
Colin. Jordan Love and the packers hosting the Philadelphia Eagles off a buy. Former Packer Clay Matthews, he's chiming in, thinks that if the packers are going to bounce back, Matt LaFleur needs to hand the keys over to Jordan Love and let him do his thing. Colin, you think that's going to be enough? By the way, there is some money coming in on the Eagles today. No, I like down to one and a half.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I like Philadelphia. I think Philadelphia by getting Jalen Phillips, that's a. It's not Micah Parsons acquisition, but he's a really good pass rusher. I think Philadelphia at the trade deadline made moves that you'll be able to see very quickly. They help. I think this team found itself and I think Philadelphia's got a better roster off a bye little healthier. I like Philadelphia here. I know the hot pick is Green Bay. I'm on the Eagles tonight.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
Yeah, I think a lot of it is overreaction to the Panthers loss which we called here on the show, a trap game. And I think the real Green Bay shows up tonight. I don't like the injury report for the Packers. Have you seen their wide receivers are dinged up?
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Colin Cowherd
Yep. And Kraft is gone for the year.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
So Tucker Kraft gone, I think. And this is my fantasy team talking. Christian Watts Watson big plays over the top. Jordan Love to Christian Watson. I'll take the. I'll take the packers in a close one. Colin, final story. Oh, we're actually allowed to talk about the Indianapolis Colts on the show now. Yeah, I know you woke up early for the Berlin matchup. Listen, the Colts look bad for three quarters and then Jonathan Taylor took over. Oh my gosh. 83 yard touchdown run. This was spectacular. The clueless Falcons thought he was bottled up and Taylor bounces outside, says Terrell goodbye.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, he's gone.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
What was 186 yards. Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
First half Daniel Jones once again the fumble issue surface. Last two weeks, lot of giveaways. I think it's seven giveaways last two weeks. So the Daniel Jones in New York. Remember that was the one thing that Brian Dable had to solve is that Daniel had a fumble issue and they, they kind of righted the ship. He goes to Stike and everybody's like, oh, it's a new Daniel Jones. Yes, last two weeks. That's the Daniel Jones that was losing games In New York, ball security has once again surfaced. Eventually, you know, everything regresses to the mean. Like, that's who Daniel Jones is. So I, you know, I watched yesterday and I'm like, okay, this was the New York Giants issue. Ball security fumbles.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
So my daughter's volleyball team had this big meeting yesterday, and of course, I'm watching the game on my phone, sitting in the back, and these dads are like, oh, how. What's wrong with the Colts, J. Mac. And I say, guys, I think the Shane Steichen offense has been solved two weeks in a row now that Daniel Jones is on his back in the pocket and turning the ball over. And the Falcons, I think they got him five times. Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
I think it was six or seven.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
So that. So six, seven. Here we go. So that's back to back weeks where teams are getting to Jones and he's flustered in turning it over this week. Jonathan Taylor bails him out with an incredible running performance. Now they do. Colts go on a buy after the Berlin trip. I wonder if Steichen will solve some stuff. You know, figure out, hey, hey, what's going on with. They're going to have to simplify the offense for Jones.
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Colin Cowherd
They're the best team in that division. They have the best roster in that division. I think they have the best coach in that division. They're going to win that division. I think there's a ceiling. You'll see that ceiling when they face a Herbert or a Drake may look.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
On the screen who they face after the buy.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
Mahomes, Andy Reid and Spagnolo. You don't think Spagnolo is one of the best defensive minds in the game. That is a huge test for the Colts. And then after that, the Houston Texans defense, which is very rambunctious on the front line with Will Anderson and Hunter.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. At Seattle, all of a sudden. Oh, okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Winners will be healthier.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
Do the Colts win a playoff game, yes or no?
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Colin Cowherd
No. No. They win the division. You know, I, I think Daniel Jones, they've had so much chaos at quarterback, their takeaway is he's fine. We will get a reasonable contract and we could draft somebody else if we want. But I, I think one of the things that is so clear in this league, what you don't want is chaos at quarterback. Daniel Jones is not chaos. He's not top 10, but he's somewhere between 12 and 16, maybe this season.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
So they would likely host a team like Kansas City unless Casey wins the division or Buffalo. And. And I think that that's a tough matchup. So the Colts then Colin would have gone all in for Daniel Jones. Sauce Gardner given up their future pick future picks, sorry and lose in the first round. And then Daniel Jones is going to be like hey, hey, I need to get paid. I There are some troubling clouds ahead for the Indianapolis Colts.
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Colin Cowherd
We'll see J Mac with the news.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
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Colin Cowherd
Well, there are two teams where there are no clouds on the horizon. That's next. It's the Herd.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
So if you haven't tried it yet.
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Start your Saturday strong as Michigan clashes with Northwestern at a special venue historic Wrigley Field. It all starts with big noon kickoff at 10am Eastern from the heart of Chicago. Then it's Michigan Northwestern Big noon Saturday only on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
Poor Northwestern had to face USC at the Collie no match. We always say this. It doesn't take long in any field to see great Mahomes and Lamar Jackson MVPs in their second year. Joe Burrow Second Year Year super bowl and we don't even know if he has the right coach. My rule is if you got the right coach or at least a super strong coordinator, hopefully both you'll be able to see by the second year if guy's going to be a legend. That looks like Drake May in New England. They don't have a number one receiver running back by committee, offensive line, solid tight end. I like Hunter Henry and he has spinning it. I watched him last yesterday. Todd Bowles, one of the best defensive minds in football had two weeks they were off a bite. Two weeks to prep for him. This kid can spin it and this is a young emerging team. Kyle Williams, they haven't played a lot. Travion Henderson's been running back by committee. Those are stars. They haven't played a ton. Vrabel's trying to work him into the system so I mean I, I all I know is I've watched him go on the road and beat Josh Allen and go on the road and beat an outplay. Baker Mayfield and Todd Bowles had two weeks to come up with a game plan for this young guy and we watched what Belichick did to Sam Darnold. We know young quarterbacks against elite defensive coaches can struggle. Yeah, that's not it. So I picked him as my double their win total team. I think they're going to triple it it and that's caught me off guard. The other team that has nothing to worry about is Seattle. It's a great story. So the last couple years Pete Carroll was in Seattle he and John Snyder were not right. Snyder almost left four years ago to be the GM of Detroit. The Allen family paid him. He stayed. It is now John Snyder's drafts and roster the last two and a half years he's built a monster. He got a third round pick for Gino. His Sam Darnold is now less of a cap hit than Taysum Hill. They don't miss on draft picks, every position. Then at the trade deadline, Rasheed Saheed, who gets to now work again with his coordinator in New Orleans last year. I mean, turn the sound down. This team I think is the fastest team in the league. They have taken 35 nothing and 28 nothing leads the last two weeks. In the first half it gets sloppy. Second half, it's hard to motivate guys. Here's Sam Darnold on another MVP level.
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Sam Darnold
First half performance, it's, you know, great team win. You know, I thought offensively we're, you know, really efficient in the first half. Second half, you know, got the run game going a little bit. Third quarter was a little sloppy obviously with the turnovers and we've got to clean that up obviously. But you know, to be able to, you know, end, end the game on our terms in four minute situation, you know, running the football out, you know, that's how you want to end every single game.
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Colin Cowherd
And there's no fool's gold here. Drake May is not doing dink and dunk. He is second in the NFL in yards per attempt. He's throwing the ball down the field. Sam Darnold, no dink and dunk, throwing the ball down the field. And in both cases, two of the best young offensive players for the Patriots, Kyle Williams and Travion Henderson, they're kids in Seattle's offense, second youngest in the league. So you got two young star quarterbacks surrounded by all sorts of ascending young talent, meaning New England and Seattle. This is the beginning. These are great, great personnel people, very strong leaders and defensive head coaches and the right offensive coordinators. So Brian Dabel, the news of the day it broke late. First hour of the herd. Brian Dable has been let go. Don't like firing coaches, especially best coach on the staff, middle of a season. But back to back years in New York. Jets and Giants do it. There's a lot of reasons why they did it. Some of it is he keeps blowing leads the blue tent circus with Jackson dart a few weeks ago. Here's Hasselbeck on the thoughts on what, on what happened today.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Your star quarterback, your prized possession. He's been in that blue tent way too much, I think. He's been evaluated from concussions four times since he's been playing recently. And they're running him the way that they were running, like Saquon Barkley, you know, they're all this quarterback run game. I get it. You get an advantage in the run game, it's working. At the same time, you got to have a Little bit more care for the future of the franchise. One other thing, if you think the fact that Daniel Jones having the success that he's having with the Indianapolis Colts doesn't play into this decision as well, you're crazy.
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Colin Cowherd
Now the Colts have a much better roster. The Colts between Pierce and Pittman, Warren, Jonathan Taylor. The Giants used to have a running back like Jonathan Taylor. They let him go to the rival Eagles. So Indianapolis has a tremendous roster outside of the secondary where they tried to solve it with Sauce Gardner, which I defend. There's a reason Daniel Jones is cleaning up. It's not just Shane Steichen. Offensive line for the Colts last week was rated number one. Their tight end is in a Pro Bowler, is a rookie. Jonathan Taylor right now is the best running back in the league. So the Daniel Jones is the beneficiary of a tremendous roster. We've been on this for two years. Colts roster's fine. They just didn't have a guy competent enough to complete 60% of the throws. So you can throw Dable under a bus, but neighbors hurt. Scatter. Boo hurt. Andrew Thomas is, you know, excellent left tackle, banged up a lot. And I think Dable got into a situation was Jackson darts confident and athletic. I'm going to run him. What else do we have here? I mean, they don't have a one or a two receiver. You know, I mean, we said this. The downside to having a coach in the hot seat like Eber Floose last year or Brian Dable this year, I mean, they're coaching to win games. They're going to do whatever it takes. Like, I get it, you're trying to save your job. And so he looks at it and he's like, jackson darts my best athlete. I'm going to, I'm going to move him down the field. And he got banged up again. So, you know, I can, I can sympathize. I think Dable in Miami, I think Lane Kiffin and Brian Dable, stronger personalities, More Alpha than McDaniel feel like the fits to me.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
How about this one, Colin? Usually I don't read my mentions on social media. Somebody hit me with, oh, yeah. You know where Brian Dabel was before the Buffalo Bills, right? I look it up. Alabama Crimson Tide 2017. Remember that year? Yeah, that was Jalen hurts the starter. TUA takes over Brian Dable calling plays all season. And then I looked it up. Dable has a history of saying great things about tua. I, I believe Brian Dable will probably get the first or second interview with Tua in Miami.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't think it's a bad hire.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
No, not at all.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't been in the skill set he built.
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
He was with him in Miami.
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Colin Cowherd
Miami can be a loud, chippy, harsh media market. New York is, Philadelphia is. I think. I think dable with Miami is in play.
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Colin Cowherd
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On the latest episode of Next Question with Me, Katie Couric I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years and today he even throws a few questions my way.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, are you ready for another question?
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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)
Go ahead, hit me Bernie.
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Katie Couric
We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living and of course the government shutdown. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie couric. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts to beat.
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Colin Cowherd
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