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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong, Sam Darnold and the Seahawks going to the Super Bowl, Matt Hasselbeck
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go, our number two. We are live and we are set for our Super Bowl. The Seattle Seahawks will be roughly a 4 to 5 point favorite. That's a lot of points against the New England Patriots. A team that was undefeated on the road. Kept knocking off great defenses all through the playoffs. Seattle is the next in their sight couple minutes from now. Matt Hasselbeck who was the former Seahawk was with the Seahawks yesterday and after the game will be joining us in five minutes. But as we often do always do on Monday, especially during the football season. Colin right? Colin wrong. Where Colin was right. Well I gotta. I'll take credit for this. My two surprise teams in the NFL when I made the predictions this summer were New England would be a playoff team. I love Mike Vrabel spent 250 large and my second surprise playoff team was Seattle. I didn't know they'd be in the super bowl but I feel pretty good about it. Smart general managers, excellent young aggressive quarterbacks, rosters that don't have holes. I've been on a four year streak on picking two teams a year. A double your win total team. I'm four for four and a surprise playoff team. Seahawks Patriots were my picks. Where Colin was wrong I did not have Rams receiver Devonte Adams in my top 10 players in this game Friday he had four catches, 90 yards, a key touchdown. It is crazy. He led the NFL by a lot this year with 14 touchdown catches. I think next closest was 11. So he Puka may be the star of the show but he is so big in big spots. I would be surprised if he doesn't return for another season. With McBay and Stafford where Colin was right well we mentioned it all season and all week the Rams special teams could be a major issue. They fired their special teams coach. They moved off their drafted kicker earlier this year. Listen, it was their number one issue along with pretty weak cornerback play all year. So it's not like Sean McVay buried his head in the sand. He addressed it multiple times this season. McVay knew it was an issue and it was in the biggest game of the year yesterday where Colin was right. The Steelers hire Mike McCarthy. We said multiple times in the last week they're not very good at this. They don't hire offensive coordinators very well. They don't hire head coaches very often. So they went with what is comfortable and what is safe. Mike McCarthy not a bad coach. Mike's going to win double digit Games, you know, I think they'll become an offensive minded Steelers from a defensive minded Steelers. So the good news is they got the right side of the ball going forward but it ended up being kind of an underwhelming choice. They went safe, they went Pittsburgh. That is not really surprising where Collin was wrong. How about this, we go two defensive coaches in the super bowl breaking a long streak of offensive coaches. You know it ad nauseum. You're tired of me saying it. All things equal, I would always take an offensive coach. But there are some great defensive coaches in this sport. Vrabel D', Amico, Ryan's at Houston, Mike McDonald are super, super sharp guys. So this will be the last non offensive coach to be in a Super bowl. Was Shocker, the New England Patriots, Bill Belichick and 2019 where Colin was right? Speaking of Belichick, reportedly Buffalo has no interest in Bill Belichick. And I said this last week, I think Bill's weakness, he's not good at the draft. He's good at NFL personnel, he's not good at college personnel. Transferring to the NFL and that's what, that's what Buffalo needs. A really, really sharp guy in terms of personnel. I think Bill's a little bit tone deaf to offense today. He's also a little stubborn. Bill's going to want to coach his guys, do it his way and build his staff. That is not what Buffalo needs. It may work in Philly with Howie Roseman running the draft. He doesn't feel like a fit in Buffalo where Colin was right. A week ago I picked Indiana to beat Miami for the Natty but I said it's going to be close. The difference will be the quarterback. And this scramble, this draw was the difference. Listen, Miami was too good on both lines to get blown out in this game. I said they're going to make Indiana uncomfortable at multiple times. But I trust Fernando Mendoza to be the difference. And he was where Colin was right from day one. Sam Darnold. That's my hall of Fame first ballot, right? Wrong. I never quit on Sam Darnold. I didn't know if he was a Super bowl quarterback. I always felt he was too strong, too athletic, too coachable, too tough, too resilient, too good of an arm not to be a winning quarterback in this league. Do you realize he got, he got benched in Carolina then his last year in Carolina, November 27th he was named the starting quarterback from from that point forward he's the winningest quarterback in the league and has the Most games over 100 plus passer ratings over Mahomes, over all the top quarterbacks. He had a really, really bad run with the jets, one in Carolina one and oh, in San Francisco, one in Minnesota, one in Seattle. And here he was after. So how did it feel for you to prove all the dollars wrong to be heading to the Super Bowl?
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Matt Hasselbeck
That doesn't matter to me. I just come to work every single day with these guys, these guys in this locker room. That's what it's about to be, man. The way that we've come to work ever since April in o training camp. One day at a time and we're here and we did it.
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Colin Cowherd
I love that guy. It's so poetic that he beat the Rams, the one team that had his number in the last couple of years. And with that, Matt Hasselbeck, the former Seahawk who was there for a decade. What an electric atmosphere. I don't feel this very much. When that game was over, I felt bad for the Rams too. I thought, I don't know if McVay is ever going to have a quarterback, have this year, is going to have a roster this good in the end. What do you think? Was the difference just the muffed punt or to you? Was there another difference?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, first off, let me give you your props for when Colin was right from day one. You have been beating the Sam Darnold drum for a long time and a lot of people jumped on that, jumped off that ship or were never on it from the get go. But I thought this was just an incredible game. Someone had to lose it. You know, even the last game with the Seahawks and the Rams, it was a ridiculous game decided by basically the weirdest two point conversion you've ever seen. And yesterday was one of those games where both quarterbacks were outstanding. Both guys threw for like 350, no turnovers. The receiver play in that game on both sides of the ball was incredible. You know, I think ultimately like this came down to like you said, some X factor. And for me before, before the game and even after the game, I think you'd give it to home field advantage and special teams.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you know, I said this earlier. You don't have to be great everywhere in the NFL. You can't be bad anywhere because the coaching's too good. And I thought the corners for the Rams, they almost lost to the Panthers twice because the Panthers have big rangy receivers and they really gave the Rams trouble. I mean, I let's, let's talk specifically about Darnold. I thought that says that's as well as I've ever seen him play. Go to your career, your biggest games. There was something about Sam's decision making in that game. It's funny about how pro athletes work sometimes they get tight. I thought Sam, were you surprised he played at that level for four hours?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I can speak to that. You know, when you're playing against an MVP caliber quarterback and Stafford is that McVay is incredible. You know, I remember playing against the greatest show on turf, like, you know, the Mike Martz Rams, like those guys, you just knew you had to score a ton of points. It wasn't a hey just don't screw it up mindset. It was the opposite of that. And he came out early. You know, they played one on one on Rashid Shahid on the first, third and five. These guys, you know, the Rams were somebody that was jumping and sitting at the sticks in the first matchup where he had all the turnovers and they threw caution to the win. They saying, we believe in you. If you want to take a shot one on one, take it. You know, I think that was the mindset and you know, like, you know, people will doubt Sam Darnold. He's not as super fiery. His emotions aren't out there for everyone to see. I think he's got a quiet confidence. And in that game, you know, he threw for 19 first downs in that game. So this wasn't, I mean there were some huge third down conversions, two minute drive. Situational football, the stuff that quarterbacks, you know, get paid to do. It's not so much first and second down from the 20 to the 20, it's situational football. And that's where I thought he was at his best yesterday.
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Colin Cowherd
There's something about Seattle. They play with an energy that's almost collegiate. I want you to take my audience, I mean you watch them play. When you play Seattle, you have to match their energy. I mean, I've said before, it's like Mike Tyson in his early 20s. You just had to be ready for the barrage for the first two rounds. If you could get past that, you had a chance with Tyson on the television. Matt, it looks like Seattle is playing at a different speed. Did you witness that yesterday?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I just think the fan base has a chip on their shoulder. You know, they always have. They feel, you know, you feel like you're in the witness protection program in terms of like the national media. They don't want to go out to Seattle and cover. They may be a little bit over caffeinated. You know, it Is this college atmosphere in a sense, in terms of, you know, what they bring pregame. And I think, you know, you've got a young team with a young head coach and everyone leans into it. You know, the energy before the game. You know, you got Richard Sherman on the mic, you got Cam Chancellor on the field, you got guys like Cliff Averill and Michael Bennett helping the owner raise the flag. I mean, there's just a lot of pride in this community and, and like I said, a little bit of a chip on their shoulder. And so I think it comes out and I think this mob mentality that Mike McDonald has had with this, you know, with this defense, especially with the it's our mission is number one over any B.S. that's what comes first. I think everyone's bought in. And as a player, when you feel like the mission and the signs on the wall are yours, like you came up with it, this isn't some, like, silly cliche that some old man head coach came up with. This is ours. Like this is literally came from the locker room. This is our heartbeat. I think that's real and it's authentic and people try to duplicate it. Sometimes they get it right, but oftentimes they don't. And I think Mike McDonald in years has just really done an incredible job of giving ownership to this team. And I think everyone senses it and I think that's part of the excitement.
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Colin Cowherd
There is a little danger. I said this. Everybody's going to tell the New England Patriots they have no chance for two weeks. They're going to hear. And by the way, they heard it with the Chargers, they heard it with the Texans and Mike Vrabel is sharp. Do you worry at all when you come out of a game that has been billed the super bowl, the NFC championship, and New England's just sitting there in the weeds being told for all their players are going to watch social media and been told for two weeks, you're a five point underdog, you've got no shot. The best teams are in the nfc. Do you worry about a letdown for Seattle?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, I think it's a real thing. I don't know if the players will go there, but I think it's a real thing. I never, I remember when we played in the Super bowl in the 05 season, you know, the AFC number one seed was the Indianapolis Colts and Peyton Manning and, and the wild card team that eventually, you know, the Colts didn't make it to the super bowl, but they were thought of as maybe the best team in football that year and the wild card team that just kept beating, you know, one on the road and one in Cincinnati and Denver and the beat Indy and all that stuff. Like, they ended up being who we played in the super bowl and they beat us. And so I just think there's a mentality or something you can learn from. Throughout the history of the super bowl playoff run, it really doesn't matter what kind of regular season you had. Like, it doesn't matter that maybe the Rams had a better regular season than the New England Patriots. The New England Patriots can absolutely hoist to Lombardi because all they got to go do is win a game on a Sunday in two weeks in San Francisco. That's all you got to do. And so no, this is, this is a game. Like, this will be a game, you know, no disrespect to the Rams and all that. Like, you know, they might have been the most talented. But. But no, this Patriots Seahawks game could go either way. And I think that's the mindset that both head coaches will come, you know, part of it's going to be believe that we're good enough to do it and that the other, the other side of it is, hey, you could absolutely lose this game if we don't stick to our process. And what got us here.
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Colin Cowherd
So Sean Payton goes for it on a 4th and 1. Could have kicked a field goal, take a 10 nothing lead. Didn't love the call because even if they got a first down, they were still at the 12. Sean McVeigh goes forward on a fourth and four. Again, I, my take is Sean Payton and Sean McVay. Offensive coaches trust their offense. They trust their play calling. They're very aggressive. Defensive coaches love field goals. They love them. Let's talk McVeigh and Sean Payton going for it. Any pushback on that from you?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, yeah. I hate to second guess, but yeah, I was surprised in the moment. I was surprised with both situations. It's not like it's fourth and goal from the one where, you know, you even heard Sean Payton, who I have a ton of respect for, say I wanted to go up 14 nothing. Like, yeah, but that, that wasn't. Doesn't get you 14 nothing.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
That just gets you a first down. And so, you know, but you know, like I don't. As a quarterback, as a player, you love when your offensive play caller is aggressive. Like, you love it. That my issue, my issue would be that the Patriots absolutely 100% knew what play was coming. That would be my issue in that game. And then for the, for the Rams that, you know, I think it's a totally different situation. But. But I think McVay has so much trust in his quarterback and in his offense that it's like, hey, if we're going to go down, I'm cool with going down with the ball in Matthew Stafford's hands. Like, I can live with it.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I want to ask you about Matt Stafford. He played so well. I mean, I know that he missed camp with a bad back, but the roster, so good. It's mostly so young. I mean, I. If I was Matt Stafford, I live in Los Angeles by the beach. I love my coach. I love my roster. I love Puka. I think Stafford would sign a two year deal to come back. I mean, just feels like if you're. This is not a defensive culture. It's not a defensive coach. Like, if I was. If you were Matt Stafford, would you not sign up for a couple more years of this?
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Matt Hasselbeck
He's aging in reverse, Colin. I'd send him for five more years. Okay. The dude, the dude was so injured he couldn't even do handoffs in training camp. He looked like he was constipated coming out to practice his first day back. And now he looks better and younger than he's ever looked in his. Like, sign a five year deal, man. Like, keep going. He was the MVP of the league. He had an amazing year. He's in lockstep with his, with his GM head coach. No, he'll be back. I'd be shocked if he wasn't back.
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Colin Cowherd
I got to ask you this. As somebody who played at a high level for 18 years, when you're watching that game yesterday at that field, are those the moments that you're like, oh, my God, I'd love to be playing. What is it like to be you? That has been to Super Bowls, Seahawks, packers, iconic franchises. You are watching arguably the most important game of the year and the best football game of the year. What are the juices flowing through Matt Hasselbeck yesterday?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, you're fired up. You're back. You're in Lumen field. And I'm sitting. Yesterday, I'm sitting in between, you know, Walter Jones and Cam Chancellor and Jim Zorn and Richard Sherman. And like, I think all of us feel the same way. If anything, I think we were more anxious because we had absolutely no control over what happened in the game. You know, we're just there, sort of like everybody, like the rest of the people in the stadium, just cheering for our team, essentially. But I can respect even Whatever way the game went, I can respect how difficult it is to get to that moment in the high level of play that was going on in that game. And it just was, I think it was a game for the ages. I mean, three matchups with those two teams that were just so close and it came down to unsung heroes, really. You know, once again, you know, whether it was a Jake Bobo or it was a guy on special teams, it was, it's part of what makes this, this, this game so great is, you know, sure, I'm happy for the Sam Darnolds and those like big stories, but, but everybody involved and it was just really cool to be there.
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Colin Cowherd
I gotta ask you, when I watch JSN play, the thing that always jumps out to me is that he doesn't slow down in his breaks. I always remember watching Jerry Rice video, and I'm not comparing the two, but Jerry Rice ran the same speed into the cut, out of the cut, during the cut. JSN gets so open so often. It's strange. When you watch him as a spectator in your live there, what do you see with him? Because I mean, I'm sitting there watching the game yesterday and I'm like, I think I'm watching the two best receivers in the league. Jsn, who wasn't the best receiver arguably at Ohio State, and Puka, who went in the fifth round. And you can't stop either. What is it about jsn?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, that's, that's what's so cool about the wide receiver position. It's all different styles. And those two guys, you know, one letting catches, one letting yards. I think for jsn, you know, he's just so smooth and patient and confident. You know, he doesn't, he's not always in fifth gear. You know, sometimes he's in third gear and then fourth gear and then, then he gets to fifth gear. I've also seen him get to a sixth gear that, you know, no, you didn't know anybody had. But you know, there were a couple plays yesterday, the one handed grab early in the game, I believe, and it was, it was on sideline. That was incredible. And I also just think like where I have a ton of respect for both these, these receivers is that, you know that he's one or two in the progression. Like the whole defense is set up to stop that guy, you know, whether it's Puka or jsn, and still they find a way to be super successful. So it was, it was a great effort. And I think I Think to the credit of Seattle, they do a nice job of spreading the ball around.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Matt Hasselbeck
It's not like it's, you know, the old school. Like, hey, you know, the ball's going to this one guy. They.
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Colin Cowherd
They're.
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Matt Hasselbeck
They're hard to defend because they're willing to spread the ball around and then like it with any great receiver. I love to say this. The ball will just find you. If you're that good, the ball will just find you. And I think that's what happens with JSN.
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Colin Cowherd
Finally, Steelers go. Mike McCarthy feels kind of safe to me, but I'm not going to beat up on him because he and Jim, he and John Harbaugh, if you look at their winning percentage, it's, you know, they're very similar coaches. It's just Harbaugh's got a better brand than Mike McCarthy does. What do you make of the hire?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, Mike McCarthy was my position coach my second year in the NFL when Ray Rhodes was the head coach in Green Bay. And I would tell you that that was one of the most, like, that was one of the biggest jumps I made as a young quarterback was doing the Mike McCarthy quarterback school off season that many teams in the NFL and many teams in college are still doing today. That was Mike McCarthy system that he started back in the day when he was coaching Jo Montana with the Kansas City Chiefs. So I've got a tremendous respect for him as a quarterback developer. But I think this. This hire, to me, makes it feel like the Pittsburgh Steelers want to win right away, like they want a sure thing that makes them super relevant right away. And they've been heavy on the defensive side and maybe a little bit light on the offensive side. Maybe that balance is out just a little bit. But Mike McCarthy is as Pittsburgh as a person could possibly be, so I'm happy for him, and I do think it's a good fit.
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Colin Cowherd
What time did you get in last.
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Katie Couric
Night, by the way?
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Colin Cowherd
Not to be.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Not sure. I just actually walked in the door right now, and if the NFC Championship trophy is missing, I have an idea where it is. But it. I don't know. Can't. Can't say for sure. It was. It was a good time last night. A lot of fun. Rest up. We got two weeks till the next one.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Great seeing you, Matt. Appreciate you making. Making our show today, bud.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Awesome. See you, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, the. He was out having a good time last night. It was, man, that just. It. It's. I feel like between the national championship and college and so many of these playoff games, the first disappointment I had was literally yesterday, the blizzard. I wasn't even mad at the teams of the coaches. I was mad at the weather. I'm like, just, will this thing pass? Can we shut it down? They shut it down for lightning on. Can we shut this thing down for an hour and, and get to see. I don't like cold weather games. I don't understand it. I want pro athletes at their best. I've never been somebody that just loves lousy weather. I don't want to watch anybody in America have to work in snow, including athletes. I don't, I don't like that. I, I want to see these unbelievable athletes and these really smart coaches and then it's like pouring a bucket of water, you know, on incredible athletes, incredible coaching. And I've never been a fan of it. I am for partially domed stadium like Buffalo has a new stadium. It can still snow, it's open air, but it is built to avoid the wind. And their takeaway was. Yeah, you think it's an advantage. We have Josh Allen. We don't want 38 mile an hour winds helping the least effective offense. If you have a great offense and you face a team with an average offense, the bad weather hurts the great offense. It brings you down to the bad team's level. So, you know, Buffalo's figured it out. It's like we have too good of a quarterback. We got to help our quarterback. It'll still snow and that's part of who we are. And it'll be cold, but we're not going to let in 40 mile an hour winds to our stadium and kill our kicking game. And Josh Allen. Because the truth is, if you look at Buffalo for the next seven years, they're going to be leading 90% of the games they play in the fourth quarter. At least the home games. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, it's Ben, host of the fifth hour with Ben Maller. Would mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're asking, what in God's name is the fifth hour? I'll tell you, it's a spin off of the Ben Mallershaw cold hit. Oh overnights on fsr. Why should you listen? Picture, if you will, a world where we chat with captains of industry in media, sports and more every week. Explore some amazing facts about human nature and more. Listen to the fifth hour with Ben Mather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Colin Coward from the Herd. Whether you're a seasoned small business owner or thinking about getting started, you'll definitely want to check out season four of Mind the Business small business success stories from iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio and Inuit QuickBooks. Mind the Business is part entertainment, part instruction manual, part inspiration. Each episode features practical tips and success stories that will resonate with entrepreneurs in any industry. In their latest season, hosts Austin Henkewicz and Janie Torres are covering topics on the forefront of running a small business. They're talking to self starters about everything from how AI helps them work smarter to weathering market uncertainties and enjoying the benefits of being your own boss and using Inuit QuickBooks to help you get more done in less time. You won't want to miss it. Listen to Mind the Business Small Business Success Stories on the iHeart app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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What if mind control is real?
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Colin Cowherd
If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?
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Mind Games Host
Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?
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Matt Hasselbeck
When you look at your car, you're.
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Colin Cowherd
Gonna become overwhelmed with such a good feelings.
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Mind Games Host
Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?
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Colin Cowherd
I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.
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Mind Games Host
Can you get someone to join your cult?
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Katie Couric
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Mind Games Host
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Matt Hasselbeck
It's about engineering consciousness.
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Mind Games Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, nlp, might actually work. This is wild. Listen to mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get.
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Katie Couric
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Colin Cowherd
Saw a tweet by RG3 yesterday. He said Sam Darnold made it to a Super bowl before Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield and Trevor Lawrence. I think it's noteworthy that the two quarterbacks that make it to a Super bowl one, Drake May, is on a rookie contract allowing New England to spend 250 million-plus on their roster and the other, Sam Darnold, is on an incredibly team friendly deal. Josh Allen, Dak, Lamar Herbert. Their salaries eat up the cap. Sam Darnold's salary in Seattle is 5% of the Seahawks cap. 5%. Drake Mays salary is 3% of New England's cap. You want to know what Lamar Jackson is next year to the Ravens, 24% of their cap. So Seattle and New England's rosters. I've been saying this all day and I've been saying it for a while. There's no holes in Seattle's roster. They're not great everywhere, but they're not really. I mean their own line, left side of their own line I actually think is pretty good center, right? Okay, but there's no holes with Seattle. There's nothing they need. New England similarly probably needs another draft on the O line. But left tackles, fine guard, they're pretty good. So when you're, when you're, everybody, we want to talk about Josh Allen. Go look at Patrick Mahomes last couple of teams. His salary gobbles up the cap and their offensive lines stink and they have no run game. Why can't they Just go buy Derek Henry. Well, the salary. So I know you all want to see your favorite player get paid, get the bag. But it basically guarantees who had the worst defense in the league. Dallas. Who had the biggest cap hit for a quarterback in the league. Go look it up. So one of the advantages of having Bo Nix, I mean, look at all these quarterbacks left. The final four quarterbacks, even Stafford, none of them had a top 15 cap hit. Stafford was just outside of that. And to a large degree, the Rams have just nailed drafts. So now what you have with Seattle is you have a highly productive quarterback, Sam Darnold, who's on a team friendly deal and a GM that drafts well. And what you have in New England is a highly productive quarterback on a rookie deal with a general manager that just aced the draft. So Drake May and Sam Darnold are not going anywhere. They are not for a long time. They're not going anywhere the minute you pay. That's why it's so important. When Josh Allen was on the rookie contract, that's when you got to win Super Bowls the next three years for the Patriots. These are the years to eat. New England's trying to do what Kansas City did and Buffalo and Baltimore can't. It's movie poster stuff. Sam Darnold, it's just so good. Sam Darnold, the first rookie quarterback in that 2018 class to make a Super Bowl. And I'll just say it right now, probably won't be his last. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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J. Mac
I hope the audience can detect the glee in that Sam. It's like one of his kids got into like Harvard or something and he's like celebrating it today. I'm happy for you, buddy. All right, let's get started with that Ram Seahawks game. So Matt Stafford was incredible yesterday. I mean, what 365 yards passing, flawless game. I mean, even ran the football. That scramble that he had, I mean, look like slow motion. Awesome stuff from Stafford. Of course. After the game, Sean McVay was asked if he expects Stafford to return next season. And McVay was not thrilled with the question.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, that's. I mean, if he, if he still wants to play. The hell kind of question is that? You have to ask him.
- [33:34]
Matt Hasselbeck
We've been totally present.
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Colin Cowherd
I know that if he wants to, he's still playing at a pretty damn good clip.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I mean, he's the MVP of the league.
- [33:41]
Colin Cowherd
And if he's not, you know, I mean, I got Respect for everybody else, but this guy played at a level that's just different. I gotta tell you that. That draft, excuse me, that drive by Stafford, the one in which he ran for a first down and then moved to the right and pitched a puka. And I didn't want to be hyperbolic, but I. But I was thinking sitting there, you and I have watched, we watch a lot of Rams football and talk a lot about it off the air and on. And I was thinking, literally, Stafford more than any drive this season, had to go completely into his tool bag. He's like, okay, I'm gonna run for a first down, all right. He doesn't do a lot of that pitching stuff. He doesn't do. He doesn't scramble. He's a pocket quarterback, even more than God. And for him to do that reminded me of the Niners. Remember when they lost a couple of weeks ago to Seattle? They ran that trick play on 4th and 1. You can't just go toe to toe with Seattle on everything. The defense is too fast, too young, too twitchy that you have to. You have to have motion. That's why the Rams are uniquely built to play with this Seattle team, you need McVeigh's brain, Stafford's arm. I mean, both the Rams running backs, Jason were fantastic yesterday and they still couldn't beat him.
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J. Mac
Listen, I mean, this is not sour grapes at all. But I guess when you say that it probably is. I think the Rams are still the better team. And I think with Stafford back next year, they're probably the super bowl favorites in the nfc. I don't care really who wins the Super Bowl. I. I think the Rams are just a better team. Great coach, great quarterback. You have a muffed punt on special teams and a fourth down failure. And like, that's the game. I mean, Stafford was flawless, as you said, that driver. He wasn't 14 plays, 80, 84 yards or something like that.
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Colin Cowherd
But remember, we have a graphic when you go to third down. Matt deserves the mvp. I've said that. He is the MVP of the league, period. But on third down yesterday, Darnold was great, I think.
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J. Mac
Yeah, rams were like one of eight on third down. I actually go back to the week 16 game, Colin, because again, they're rolling. Seattle with eight minutes left, fluky punt return, the two point conversion bounces off a helmet. So many things had to go right for Seattle to get home field advantage. If this game's at sofa yesterday. Come on. Rams are winning that. So I mean, congrats obviously to the Seahawks, but I think Stafford returns next year. And. And I think the Rams are probably the super bowl favorites coming out of the nfc. I. I don't know how you could argue against. Let's go to another aspect of this Rams game, and that was Cooper Cup. Now, Coward did call me after this catch by Cooper cup, and it was like, wait a sec. Did he complete the process? Watch. Oh, that wasn't it. Sorry. But on the pivotal third down.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
Everybody thought either he was short or he dropped the ball when he hit the ground.
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Colin Cowherd
I. I thought. And I.
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J. Mac
This is it, right? Here it is.
- [36:18]
Colin Cowherd
Here it is. So all we were told last week, you have to complete the process. That's why the Denver Broncos got that interception. Well, that's not completing the process. The ground causes a fumble. So we've all been told for the last week, you've got to complete the ground. You've got to complete the process. So forget the first down part. The ground causes a jarring of the ball. He did not complete the process.
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Katie Couric
Yeah.
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J. Mac
Yeah. And now McVeigh wanted to challenge it. I think Warren Sharp wrote about this timeout. Yeah. Now his shoulder was down. It looked inches short, according to the broadcast. Like, the referees were basically saying, don't challenge us, you know, blah, blah, blah. And McVeigh didn't. At any rate, it gets uglier. Apparently, there was some beef at the end of the Cooper cup tenure with the Rams.
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Matt and Joel (How To Money Podcast)
Yeah.
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J. Mac
Now, Michael Silver of the Athletic is reporting that the Rams urged Cup to retire instead of offering to restructure his contract. There's allegations. Let's just make it allegations, that they were trying to influence the market and essentially telling teams to stay away from him. And they're. And they're alluding. That's because he had stuff left in the tank.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
So I. I don't know. I don't really want to get too deep into that because it's a lot of. Like he said, she said, Cooper cup was very good yesterday. I have to say. He was strong. He didn't have a great season.
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Colin Cowherd
No, but he was good yesterday.
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J. Mac
Yeah, he was good yesterday.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, he's a pro athlete. He's prideful. I thought it was time to move off him. I thought the Rams were, you know, smart to move off him. I. I got to tell you, I watched that game. I could list 20 players in that game.
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Katie Couric
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
20 between the two teams I consider elite players. 20. I'm sitting there during the game, and I'm just, you know, like you probably do. I'm sitting there jotting Stuff and writing some notes, which I. This is what I do on, you know, Sundays. I write notes. And so I do my podcast stuff. And I'm sitting there just writing down players, and you get to like, 17 or 18 and you're like, damn, where's Nate Landman? Is he 17th best player in this game? He's fantastic. Yeah. I mean, just so many good players.
- [38:24]
J. Mac
Again, these are allegations. I will just say the fact that Cooper Cup. I know he was an Eastern Washington guy like you.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [38:30]
J. Mac
The fact that he went to a division rival and they targeted him a lot yesterday makes me wonder if there's some veracity here. And it was like, hey, screw those guys. They tried to mess with me, and now let's get them back. So I. I don't know. Interesting story. Final story. Is this just breaking today? I guess. Philip Rivers, who apparently was interviewing for the Bill's head coaching job, he has withdrawn his name from consideration. I didn't understand any of this, but Rivers has decided the head coaching job in Buffalo was not for him. Maybe his family intervened. I have no idea. This was all very crazy. I gotta be honest. I don't know what Buffalo's doing. Brandon Bean is running this search. Here's other names that are in the mix with Philip Rivers out of it. Joe Brady, the OC Brian Daboll, the former offensive quarter.
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Colin Cowherd
I think one of those. I think it's down to one of those two guys. And I think Philip Rivers was interviewing because Philip Rivers wants to be a coach. But Philip Rivers wanted to go through the interviews. I've been told this my entire life. When I was doing this for a living, people say, hey, go for interviews. If you don't want the job or you do or you don't think you're going to get it, just go interview.
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J. Mac
Get your name out of that.
- [39:37]
Colin Cowherd
Just get practice at it. I think Philip Rivers was going through the interview process, sharpening his blade for when he. When it's a perfect time to do it.
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J. Mac
So I. I'm with you. I think it'll be Daybowler Brady. I'm just going to put this out there from one of my buddies in buffalo. The Bean McDermott thing ended very badly. And there is a sentiment that Bean's going to want to say, I don't want anybody who's attached to McDermott or who knows him because of how ugly it got. And Bean maybe goes outside of the family, if you will. Here are the other names. Lou Amaruno, the defensive coordinator from the Colts, Jacksonville Jags, OC Grant Udinsky, who's gaining momentum among reporters. I don't know anything about this guy. Dolphins DC Anthony Weaver and Commanders running backs coach Anthony Lynn. Chargers fans will hope that happens. I'll leave it at that. Any final thoughts on the Bills? This is a great job, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
I would probably go Vrabel. I think it's hard to bring. Sorry, sorry.
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J. Mac
Wait, what?
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Colin Cowherd
Or Dabel. Excuse me.
- [40:35]
J. Mac
Okay.
- [40:35]
Colin Cowherd
I think it's very hard to hire Brady because you're going to basically say, well, what's the change here? I mean, he was already on the staff. That drove us crazy. He was on the staff where Josh Allen had all those turnovers against Buffalo. I think that's a harder hire. I'm not saying it would be a bad hire. A day bowl, I think is like Robert Sala to me. Both failed in New York. I think both are very good coaches. I think failing in New York's almost become a badge of honor. You know, look at Sam Darnold's career. So Brian Dable would be my higher. I don't necessarily know. I think Brady would be fine, but it's a harder sell to the fan base, if that matters at all.
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J. Mac
By the way, Joe Brady, for the record, was amazing with Joe Burrow in college, amazing with Josh Allen in the NFL. And I will just advise people to go look at what he did when he didn't have a superstar quarterback, namely in Carolina.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. Drew Brees is stopping by. Matt Hasselbeck was fantastic. Sounds like Matt Hasselbeck had himself a good time in the Emerald City. I think a lot of people did in Seattle. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hi, I'm Colin Coward from the Herd. Whether you're a seasoned small business owner or thinking about getting started, you'll definitely want to check out season four of Mind the Business. Small business success stories from iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio and Inuit QuickBooks. Mind the Business is part entertainment, part instruction manual, part inspiration. Each episode features practical tips and success stories that will resonate with entrepreneurs in any industry. In their latest season, hosts Austin Henkwitz and Janice Torres are covering topics on the forefront of running a small business. They're talking to self starters about everything from how AI helps them work smarter to weathering market uncertainties and enjoying the benefits of being your own boss. And using Inuit QuickBooks to help you get more done in less time. You won't want to miss it. Listen to Mind the Business Small business success Stories on the iHeart app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Matt and Joel (How To Money Podcast)
New Year, New goals and in this economy, a better money plan is more necessary than ever. I am Matt. And I'm Joel. We are from the how to Money podcast and every week we help you to spend smarter, save more, and make sense of what's going on out there. If you want 2026 to be the year you finally feel in control of your money, we're here to give you the tools and advice to help you make it happen. Listen to How To Money on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [43:25]
Mind Games Host
What if mind control is real?
- [43:28]
Colin Cowherd
If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?
- [43:31]
Mind Games Host
Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?
- [43:35]
Matt Hasselbeck
When you look at your car, you're.
- [43:36]
Colin Cowherd
Gonna become overwhelmed with such good feelings.
- [43:39]
Mind Games Host
Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?
- [43:41]
Colin Cowherd
I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.
- [43:45]
Mind Games Host
Can you get someone to join your culture?
- [43:48]
Katie Couric
NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.
- [43:50]
Mind Games Host
Nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.
- [44:01]
Matt Hasselbeck
It's about engineering consciousness.
- [44:03]
Mind Games Host
Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in the suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, nlp, might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [44:29]
Katie Couric
As we head into 2026, it's safe to say that 2025 was a year like no other. So much news, so much disruption, and, yes, so much division. That's why we're wrapping up this season of Next Question with a look back at everything that's happened. Things are coming at us with such a velocity. We thought it was important to take a moment, connect the dots and explore what it all means. We're summing up the first year of Trump's second term with David Graham on Project 2025 and how many of the goals have been implemented. Richard Haass on foreign policy and the changing world order. Jessica Valenti on reproductive rights and the terrifying consequences of abortion bans. Tina Brown on the year scandals here and across the Pond. The president has upended everything from pardons to the press. So we're covering it all. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [45:34]
J. Mac
Friday hoops Yoxelle Lindeborg leads third ranked Michigan as they continue their fight for the top spot in the nation against Tom Izzo's 10th ranked Michigan State squad. Friday night, 8 Eastern, only on Fox. That's a great one.
- [45:49]
Colin Cowherd
For the record, I was just thinking about this, this off season, it was before, I swear it was before Sam Darnold had signed with Seattle. He was still a Viking and I was in Rhode island in a little town that I hang out with, you know, sometimes in the summer and there was a big, there was a big wedding. Was it this year, the year before, I forget and I, and I'm walking down the street, all of a sudden I see Sam Darnold. And I've known Sam for a while and they just walk up to him, start talking. You would have no idea that Sam Darnold was this really super talented athlete. He was in like a T shirt. He's just walking around, yeah, I'm here for the wedding and we just made small talk. It's just the easiest guy in the world to root for. Great family, kid comes from like Oceanside, California beach community. I think they're the Tritons. I think that's what their name is. He's just a really good kid from a really good family. He was loved at usc. And I mean, all you need to know is, you know, Minnesota wanted to keep Darnold, but the question became is they had drafted J.J. mcCarthy and they gave up two picks to do it. So what, are you going to not give J.J. mcCarthy a couple? And also is that Sam came off a great season. You know, Sam wanted to be paid and should be paid, so. But I think Sam's really smart. I think he looked at Seattle's roster. He's a west coast kid. He would get a compete against California teams. So just a really, some, some athletes, I mean, most athletes I meet professionally are hardworking, really good people. 99% of pro athletes I meet are really good people like you root for. It's hard to root against. There are occasional athletes who are like, yeah, if that guy fumbles in a big spot, well, I won't lose sleep over it. Darnold's one of the really good guys. But here's Matt Hasselbeck earlier on, Sam.
- [47:40]
Matt Hasselbeck
Darnold, you know, people Will doubt Sam Darnold. He's not as super fiery. His emotions aren't out there for everyone to see. I think he's got a quiet confidence and, and in that game, you know, he threw for 19 first downs in that game. So this wasn't, I mean there were some huge third down conversions, two minute drive. Situational football, the stuff that quarterbacks, you know, get paid to do, it's not so much first and second down from the 20 to the 20, it's situational football. And that's where I thought he was at his best yesterday.
- [48:09]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I didn't know that. Sam threw for 19 first downs against that Rams front. And for the record, the weakness of Seattle is their O line. The left side of their owning is pretty good. Charles Cross, Gray Zabel, I don't think those guys are studs. But I kept thinking this, watching this game is. The NFL just keeps delivering. That's all it does. The NFL just keeps giving us unbelievable finishes, unbelievable games. And in every big game, have you ever noticed something, there's always a controversial call. There were a couple in this game, folks. Athletes aren't perfect. These games are hard to officiate. You have 58 year old, 62 year old men, officials who work at banks full time running around chasing athletes. And unlike you and I, they don't get nine looks at it. Everything is bang bang. Like one of the reasons I've had officials come up to me and say thank you for defending us folks. You and I get slow mo. You and I get nine looks at it. They're running around the field in their mid-50s, trying to be in possession and the play is bang bang. Call it by the way, with bodies all over the place. This stuff is. Anybody can sit on the Internet, be a troll and rip officials. I'm watching that game yesterday, the speed of that game, the athleticism in that game, that game is hard to officiate. And then in Denver adds snow. So I'm like wiping. I can't see. I think by and large the officials, I mean the Denver Buffalo interceptions, weird. I did think Cooper cup yesterday. My take is. Well, you told me the ground can't cause a fumble. Well, I just, I was lectured on that and that's what I just saw. That's not the difference in the game. I mean it, the game really came down to the muff punt. I mean that, that really ends up being the game. Now the Rams came right back, Stafford, boom, boom, boom. Three perfect passes. But that, that, that hurt. I mean, credit to the Rams for not going completely belly up after that. They got the ball, came back and scored. Stafford made three. Just darts. I mean, that pass to Puka just over. Was it, was it Puka or a tight end just over the corner's hands. One of the passes of the year in terms of New England and Denver. People are going to crush Sean Payton for the play call, but McVeigh went for it on fourth and four. I just, I am reticent to crush offensive coaches. They believe in their play calls, they believe in their players. Here's Hasselbeck on Sean Payton going for it on fourth down early in the game. Oh, we don't have. I'm just rambling. I'm out of time. I got Drew Brees around the corner.
- [51:03]
Matt and Joel (How To Money Podcast)
Hey, it's Joel and Matt from how to Money. If your New Year's resolution is to finally get your finances in shape, we've got your back prices, they're still high, and the economy is all over the place. But 2026 is the year for you to get intentional and make real progress. That's right. Yeah. Each week we break down what's happening with your money, the most important issues to focus on, and the small moves that make a big difference. Kick off the year with confidence. Listen to how to Money on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [51:34]
J. Mac
What if mind control is real?
- [51:35]
Colin Cowherd
If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?
- [51:39]
J. Mac
Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?
- [51:42]
Matt Hasselbeck
When you look at your car, you're.
- [51:44]
Colin Cowherd
Gonna become overwhelmed with such good feelings.
- [51:46]
J. Mac
Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?
- [51:49]
Colin Cowherd
I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult?
- [51:54]
Katie Couric
NLP was used on me to access my subconscious mind games.
- [51:58]
Colin Cowherd
A new podcast, exploring nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic Programming. Is it a self help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam? Or both?
- [52:08]
J. Mac
Listen to mind Games on the iHeartRadio.
- [52:10]
Colin Cowherd
App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [52:14]
Katie Couric
This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler. We've got some incredible guests like Kumail Nanjiani.
- [52:20]
Colin Cowherd
Let's start with your cast. How is she? She is not with us anymore. Okay, great, great, great. Way to start.
- [52:26]
Matt Hasselbeck
Maybe you will cry.
- [52:28]
Mind Games Host
Ross Matthews, you know what kids always say to me? Are you a boy or a girl?
- [52:32]
Katie Couric
Oh, my God, all the time.
- [52:34]
Mind Games Host
I know. So I try to butch it up for kids so they're not confused.
- [52:37]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, but you're butching it up.
- [52:38]
Mind Games Host
It's basically like an angry woman.
- [52:39]
Colin Cowherd
Doris Day, right?
- [52:41]
Mind Games Host
No, I turn into Bea Arthur.
- [52:42]
Colin Cowherd
Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [52:50]
Katie Couric
If you only listen to one thing to make sense of the news this year, make it this. The final episode of this season of Next Question pulls together the most important conversations of the year. You'll hear David Graham on Project 2025, Liz Oyer on the plethora of presidential pardons, Tina Brown on the year's biggest scandals here at home and across the pond, plus much, much more. It's a crash course in the last 12 months, how we made it through the year, and a look at what might be coming in 2026. Listen to next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [53:33]
Matt Hasselbeck
This is an iHeart podcast.
- [53:35]
Colin Cowherd
Guaranteed Human.