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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong, Shohei Ohtani had a night to remember, Bears revamped offense, Matt Hasselbeck
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
You're listening to Fox Sports Sports Radio.
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Colin Cowherd
Hasselbeck five minutes away Two good Monday night football games tonight, a game seven tonight where the Seattle Mariners will take on the country of Canada to see if we can get a Dodgers Mariners ball Classic J. Mac, you know, over the course of a week I have a lot of opinions. Many miss the mark and this is the moment where I stand in front of America and I'm a little bit of a dartboard. It's called Colin right? Colin wrong. And here we go on a Monday.
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J. Mac
Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I played blind resume with Bo Nix Friday, remember that? We all thought that was kind of fun. Blind resume. And I said with Bo Nix, he's really good, he's a franchise quarterback, he's just inconsistent. But he just became the first player ever to have two rushing touchdowns and two passing touchdowns in a quarter. The last five possessions for Bo Nix against the great defense. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. Field goal. He's really athletic, under 15 yards, really accurate, can struggle with a deep ball, is not there yet. But he is a franchise quarterback and that's all I've said.
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J. Mac
Where Colin was wrong, last year's Washington.
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Colin Cowherd
Commander'S magic has evaporated. I thought they'd be a playoff team for a decade. They feel a little old and a little slow. They're now three and four and here comes the Chiefs, the Seahawks and the Lions. Nothing is working. The defense is mid run, game is okay. Jaden Daniels is banged up. But there was, there wasn't 15 minutes yesterday where I didn't think Dak was in control of that game. I missed on the Commanders. I did not think it was a one off. I thought it was a new era and maybe it will be but it's.
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J. Mac
Not now where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
I've said Sean McVay's the second best coach in pro football. The Rams fly in Saturday. It's a 24 hour business trip with no puka Nakua. And it was one of the more crisp, efficient, detailed game plans ever. How many tight ends did they throw to? They had two rookies catching touchdown passes and Stafford as we've said is the best pure pocket guy in the league. I mean you were watching a well oiled organization against the Jags and after the Jags beat Kansas City I said this is not sustainable. This is not a well run, well oiled operation. I thought Stafford, if he doesn't make the hall of Fame, he's the greatest player in this league not in the hall of Fame because he is magic. Missing his star throwing the seventh round wide receivers in London and they were jet lagged and got in Saturday for.
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J. Mac
A Sunday game where Colin was wrong.
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Colin Cowherd
I was wrong on Shohei Ohtani. I just said he was better than Babe Ruth. I didn't say he's the best team sport athlete ever. He won MVP of that series for one great game. Six innings, two hit ball, 10 strikeouts. Does he have the the best split finger in the Sport? He's throwing 100. He had more hits Friday against Milwaukee than he surrendered and one of those balls that he hit appears to have left the stadium. Here it is, the right hander Patrick Deals and Ohtani towering wall high drive right field. He's done it again. Shohei Ohtani to the top of the pavilion in right 469ft. The longest home run at Dodgers Stadium this year. Freddie Freeman's reaction what did I just.
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J. Mac
Watch where Colin was right said about.
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Colin Cowherd
Three weeks ago the Indianapolis Colts are for real. They should be undefeated. They had the Rams beat running back, wide receiver, tight end. They have Pro Bowlers. O line has to be top three in the league. They ran over the Chargers And I know LA's beat up on the offensive line but I've been defending Chris Ballard for years. I'm like folks, this roster is good. There are stars in every unit. This is a really really good team. They just needed a quarterback. They've got one and they hammered Harbaughn.
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J. Mac
Herbert yesterday where Collin was wrong.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm not saying it's all his fault but Cam Ward feels a little college right now. He's doing a little hero ball. Lot of mistakes, he's trying to force plays. I listen I don't know who to blame. It feels a little like Caleb last year in Chicago. It's not a very good staff but he's been sacked 30 times. Doesn't have a great feel for the pocket. More picks than touchdowns, one in six record. I didn't think it would look like this I for a long time until the last week before the season I said they could be a playoff team. Then I bailed on it. It.
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J. Mac
It's ugly where Colin was right well.
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Colin Cowherd
We predicted I did. I said Notre Dame in cold weather would beat USC by 10 and they would beat them soundly because they would run all over USC and that's exactly what they did. For the record, Jeremiah Love is going to be a first round running back. He may not be Bijan Robinson but he's close. Nine and a half yards of carry. The kid's great. USA USC had some weird play calling. They were okay on offense but this was a Bad matchup off that Michigan game. The Irish had 306 yards rushing. And Lincoln Riley has not proven the ability to be tough good running teams on the road. He hasn't done it in four years.
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J. Mac
At usc where Colin was right, Tua is toast.
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Colin Cowherd
I did not get at any level the extension. I don't get how they built the team. If you have Tua, you have to have a good offensive line. You have to build it around the running game. And he can throw on play action. I thought he looked frightened yesterday that, you know, we all know he's not a cold weather quarterback, but four times this year he's been under 200 yards. I'm not blaming it all on him, but I am blaming the Dolphins on extending him when he had concussion concerns. Quarterbacks need help. Cam Ward and Tua haven't had a lot of it, but it's gotta look better than what I've seen this year with Tua and with that 18 years in the league. Matt Hasselbeck is joining us live on a Monday. All right, let's start. I mean, I compared Bo Nicks yesterday. Klay Thompson of the warriors once had 37 points in a quarter. That doesn't make him Steph Curry, it doesn't make him kd, but it makes him damn good. So if you could score 33 points in a quarter as a quarterback, I'm not giving you all the credit, but there is some. There is something about Bo Nicks. You know, a lot of guys hang their head and I thought Jackson dart looked really good, but I mean, what do you, what do you make of a quarterback that is so bad early and so amazing late?
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Matt Hasselbeck
He's got great confidence to stay in there. You know, the coach has confidence in him and he's got his own confidence. That was an incredible game. I mean, if you haven't seen that game, go rewatch it. It was absolutely incredible for the ages. Yeah, they start with the ball in the red zone in the fourth quarter, but it was great play by, by, by Bonix. And he got a little bit lucky too, which I think you need that as well. But I think he's a better, way better than advertised runner. You know, the two touchdown runs that he had were incredible. But I just think if you were to like lock up one thing, something you cannot test for at the combine, it's that no flinch gene that some quarterbacks have and other quarterbacks don't. And I think he's weathered the storm of, you know, ups and downs in his college career. He played At a bunch different places. He's way more mature than, you know, someone with his years of experience in the NFL. But he's got a coach that also believes in him. And I think he got him back in rhythm with some screenplays, maybe even a little bit of quarterback run game. And it was just incredible. I thought both quarterbacks were excellent yesterday. Really, really fun game to watch.
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Colin Cowherd
I will say this about Jackson Dart and to your point, I thought that what we thought was going to be a game winning drive. Jackson darts a better pro than I thought. I watched him at Ole Miss with Lane Kiffin and he was hot and cold. He doesn't make a lot of. He had one really bad pass. Again, it's Denver. It's an aggressive defense. I'm just going to give you a bad throw. You're not playing perfect against that pass rush.
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Rob Parker
Forget it.
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Colin Cowherd
I thought Jackson dart was really impressive. What say you?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Absolutely. I mean, and he's given Giants fans hope, something they haven't had in a long time. My favorite thing. Listen, just because he threw that interception that, you know, ultimately was one of the plays that led to their loss, like in the long run, this is going to be great for his career. It's going to be great for it. Like every quarterback, you throw an interception, you never ever Forget it. I'm 50 years old. I still remember an interception in, you know, whatever year that like saved me from other, you know, you know, led me to other big successes because of that one mistake. And you, you listen to him at Jackson Dart at the podium. He was incredible. It wasn't, oh, we can't turn the ball over right there. It was like, no, that's, that's me. That's. That's. I have to do better. Like a lot of I, you know, taking blame. Not we. You hear we had a way too many quarterbacks at the podium. It's not, it's not we. Dude, you threw the pick. It was you and I. That's what that was the thing I loved about Jackson, like, it was almost like he was brought to tears over it. Even day ball, like, this team is going to rally around this quarterback. They, I mean, they already have. So like I listen, I know it's a loss and I don't want to be a moral victory guy, but with a young quarterback, this is something, it's a huge step. I mean, this is something where the locker room is going to love him, the league's going to respect him. I thought it was a really great game to watch two young quarterbacks who are going to be playing a long time in my opinion.
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Colin Cowherd
So I'm interested to hear this. Whenever you go to a game, it's different than just watching TV, even watching the 22 film when you're live. I remember watching Bo Nix and Michael Penix live in Husky Stadium and I sat in a couple of different places and it really gives you perspective on do they see the field? You know, live is different. So you're live yesterday, you're watching Drake May. So on television he looks amazing and accurate. What did you see that I can't? Because you're there.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I think it's a good team. Patriots are pretty good. I mean I think they're not getting a lot of respect, not getting a lot of talk. A bunch of veterans that aren't necessarily superstars, especially in their passing game and their running game. It's a very much a committee offense. Drake special though, he's got special, special throws in his game. My concern for him is just protecting himself. He's a great athlete and I think, you know, even yesterday he ended up in the blue tent unnecessarily. Yeah, you know, I had a quarterback coach. He basically would say things like, hey, can we have less adventure on our throwaways? Can we have less adventure when you decide to run the ball? And I think that's the advice I would give Drake May is that, you know, like his, his best, one of the best things that he could do for his team is not miss any games this year. And that would be the one critique. But other than that, I mean this is, this is a Josh Allen in development type of player. He's that talented. And I think that, you know, for the Patriots they really feel like they got something special. And then being there live, calling it was, it was basically all Patriot fans there yesterday. And the variable chants were being chanted by both Patriot fans and Titans fans. So Mike Vrabel, I think everyone would agree he's a heck of a coach.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So I said this earlier. I know it's a singular game. If Matt Stafford doesn't make the hall of Fame then I think it's ridiculous. You cannot watch him to fly in. I mean jet lagged, no puka. He's throwing to a seventh round rookie. Touchdown. He's throwing to a rookie. Two rookies caught it. I. I'm in. Listen, this is not a great O line. Jacksonville a couple weeks ago led the NFL in takeaways. Jacksonville, it's their second home. That game was Stafford. What in the. Listen, it's Just a really good organization. As a former quarterback, when you watch Stafford and that arm talent, what do you see?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, he's always had the arm talent. I mean his, his problems were, you know, especially back in the day in Detroit, getting a little sloppy with it and you know, trust in his arm. Arrogance is what I think people called it back then. No, he's unbelievably talented. He's super fun to watch. Weird things happen overseas in these games though. Like you never know who's going to show up. Like, you know, you think Jacksonville would be better at it, more mat with it? No, the Rams, it was a clinic. You know, Stafford had like five touchdowns. I think four of them though were like less from the five yard line in. I mean it was a weird stat line kind of day. He spread the ball around great. To your point, no puka. I think 10 different guys, cub passes, great game plan. McVeigh, Stafford, they know what they're doing, but it was really unique. I think I like even Devonte had they get three touchdowns for like 35 yards. It was like, it was a weird stat day. But sometimes when you're banged up and you're missing a star player, you got to go win games in a unique way. And I think that, you know, to your point about a Stafford at his age, he did just that and did it perfectly. And you know, he's probably feeling pretty good right now. And you usually can't say that as a veteran quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Somebody said after the game, you may get knighted after that. And he just said, can I get a sword? All I care about. Can I get a sword? All I care about. So, you know, body language matters. I remember years ago turning on Jay Cutler and just saying, I don't like his body language. Like his buddies on the team don't hang around him on the sideline. Drove me crazy. And I was critical of Aaron sometimes in Green Bay. He's by himself, he's holding. I was like, I don't like that. But when I watch Ben Johnson watching Caleb on some of those passes, his resting face is discouraged. I'm watching and I'm like, he's not going to eye roll. He's not going to yell at him. But watching them yesterday, my takeaway is Ben Johnson knows what this team is, Matt, and it's a run team, it's a yards after the catch team and it's a takeaway team. We talk about Caleb, but he's a supporting actor here. That's what it feels like to me is Ben's made the decision is we went and got Dalman, Joe Tuney, Jonah Jackson. We're going to run the football here and then. And I think it's the right call.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I think Ben Johnson is clean. Some first time head coaches, they sort of struggle. They learn on the fly. They make a lot of mistakes. You say like, yeah, this guy, he was just a coordinator. He's not really a head coach. I don't think anyone's feeling that way about Ben Johnson. I think everyone feels like Ben Johnson no, like the Bears got the real deal. Like he's the real deal. And I think he's got great confidence in how he develops quarterbacks, what he wants for his team, what he wants for his offense. And Caleb is supremely talented. So I think that this could work. But Ben Johnson isn't really the type. It doesn't seem like the kind of guy that's going to change or adjust. It's kind of like, hey, Caleb, we're going to play on time, we're going to play on rhythm, we're going to run my, my scheme. I'm not going to put training wheels on you. Like, we're going to take shots early and often. Like that's part of what we're doing. And if you want to be on board, you want to do it my way, this can work. If you want to revert back to what you did in high school and college because you were more talented than the people around you, then maybe you're not my guy. And I do think it is working. There are times where he kind of reverts back into kind of what you were talking about earlier about, you know what Cam Ward is kind of reverting back to a little bit. And sometimes it's tougher for someone who's really talented to just play within a system. I think that's going to be the hardest thing for, for this marriage. But it could work. As long as they keep winning and Caleb keeps sort of buying in. I think it could work.
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Colin Cowherd
So I'm watching Kansas City. They've rebuilt their O line three times in six years. They maybe have rebuilt their receiving core four times in seven years. They do a really good job, I think, of identifying their mistakes and quickly course correcting is that, I mean, I know great GMs in this league who would tell me privately they don't want to put it out there. They're like, oh boy, I just totally whiffed on our third round pick. Everybody makes mistakes in this league, but I'm watching Kansas City And I watched them yesterday, nine different receivers. And it's just like now I look at their receiving core three weeks ago, I'm, it's a mess. Now I'm like, is that the deepest in the league? In all your years in the NFL, you had really good coaches and really smart people. If a coach did make a mistake or a GM did make a mistake, were you ever in meetings where people just said, we're going to course correct. This doesn't work. This does. Because I feel like Kansas City is constantly fluid. They're constantly. Because they pay. Mahomes, Chris Jones and Kelsey. Right. They've got to take. They got to bring juju Smith back. Let him go. They got to bring him back. What do you make of what they've done to this receiving core in the last three years? Now? It looks like it's the deepest in the league.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, well, as a, as a player, I never needed someone to take accountability at the podium. Like, I didn't care if the head coach or the GM or anybody got to the podium and said it, but I cared greatly and I think all my teammates did. Of what was said in the locker room, what was said in the team meeting room. When. When a coach or the organization like, you know, says, hey, our bad, you know, like, we love that. We love that. I thought what was really interesting about the Chiefs, like, I think the Chiefs have one of the best cultures of any organization in sports in terms of like, hey, we're in this together. It's us against the world. Even though the world's really not against you. You mentioned it. Nine different guys caught the ball. However, like, the number one targeted guy I think with 10 targets was Rasheed Rice. Yeah, like, this is a guy that, you know, whatever you might feel him in that locker room. That is our brother. That is our teammate. That is our guy. And they had a concerted effort from the 10 yard line, from the 5 yard line, screens to him, push passes to him. Welcome back, number four. Here we go. You're our guy. You know, we, we're going wherever you help take us. Like, that's a, that's an effort that the locker room rallies around. And you saw it in the play calling. You saw my home. In fact, Mahomes two worst plays that probably should have been picked were when he was forcing the ball to Rasheed Rice. So like, he' he's got an effort to make, you know, bring the guy along, get back right away. I don't know, there's just something special about when a team Comes together that way from top to bottom and top to bottom. And then I. When I say bottom, I'm talking quarterback, franchise quarterback. That's not really bottom.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, finally. Every time I watch the packers, they leave me wanting just a little more. And I'm like, I like them. They are super young, like Seattle. I understand. It's a process. They may look different in 12 weeks yesterday, I'm like, okay, why is Jacoby Brissette look like Joe Montana? Why is he completing balls?
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Rob Parker
Why?
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Colin Cowherd
And then I think, well, Arizona at home, they've got McBride, they've got good players. Looks like Larry Fitzgerald. Marvin Harrison. Excuse me. Marvin Harrison now is developing into something. Is do team. Do young teams. I mean, every time I watch Green Bay, I'm like, okay, why. Why aren't they winning this comfortably, or am I overvaluing their talent?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I think they're young. I mean, Green Bay is a young team. Jordan Love has got great potential, but I think we just think automatically he's like, hey, why aren't you playing like, Far Vernon Aaron Rodgers, like, you know, it's. It's just what Packer quarterbacks do. He's still a young player. I think defensively, you know, they've got a new defensive coordinator, somewhat new. And Jeff Halfley, he hasn't been there that long. And I think, you know, they played great last year. He started out great. This year, they add Michael Parsons. They're trying to figure out the pieces. I think this is a good team parody in the NFL. It's a. It's a real thing. And especially in that division, I think a lot of people had the Minnesota Vikings. If J.J. mcCarthy was going to be a guy, it's like, oh, the Vikings are going to take that division. It's not, you know, now you got. The Bears are probably overachieving. The Lions are great. Packers took it to the Lions week one. You know, I do think that this is a team that. I wouldn't be afraid to say this is a playoff team that could really do something special. But, yeah, I guess I. I guess I hear what you're saying with the Arizona game, but Arizona, to me is just always been this, like, spoiler team. I don't care who you are, if you're the Rams, if you're the Seahawks, if, you know, like, you go down there, it's. That's a tough. That's sort of a tough game. Usually it's Kyler and not Jacoby, but I'm not. I'm not giving up on Jordan Love. I think this, this team will hit their stride at the right time. But I get your fan, I get, I get your feelings with that. And I'm sure Packer fans somewhat agree with you.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, you went to Boston College, the UCLA Bruins, you are bandwagoning just now. Suddenly, they are red hot. It's funny. They let go of their coach, they bring in the assistance. They're on fire as a program. It is amazing to watch sometimes in college football, I'm like, like, it's a totally different juice, totally different vibe with ucla, is it not? Yeah.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, for the record, I am a UCLA parent now and my son is on that football team. But no, listen, it's a real thing. And I've been a part of coaching changes. When they happen on the fly, I mean, it's. You either pull apart or you pull together. And this UCLA team has for sure pulled together, winning three in a row, I think. Big noon kickoffs going to Indiana this week. So that'll be a big one. Indiana vs UCLA. The games aren't going to get easier in that Big Ten match, but no, it's a real deal. I learned it. I learned it in college with many head coaching changes. I learned it in the NFL with head coaching changes. It's part of what makes sports great and unpredictable. And for all you betters out there, I would never bet on a team against a team with an interim head coach. It's like a blind date. No one loves those going up against those types of opponents.
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Colin Cowherd
Good for you. Indiana's good, by the way, to put it mildly. They're good. They're good. Hey, great seeing you, my man.
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Matt Hasselbeck
All right, see you, Colin.
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Brian Daboll
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Matt, when he comes to Los Angeles to visit his kids, is a proud dad and it is remarkable to watch ucla. So they, the head coach, a former player there, leaves and they, you know, Jerry Newheisel, who sounds exactly like his dad and looks like his dad. They have just turned it around. Just brand same kids, different energy. And that game suddenly got really, really interesting. So game seven tonight, Mariners and the Blue Jays.
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J. Mac
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J. Mac
No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
- [31:03]
Jason
All right, Colin. In a battle of the best running backs in the league last night, Christian McCaffrey out dueled by a mile, 24 touches.
- [31:11]
Colin Cowherd
Wow.
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Jason
CMAC was running wild. Just great. Catching the ball, dancing. It's crazy. He looks way better than Saquon Barkley does this year. I don't know what's wrong with Saquon. We knew that it was a heavy load last year that he burdened, but by far, Christian McCaffrey has eclipsed Saquon Barkley. I think he's right there with Bijan as the best back in the league. And Kyle Shanahan talked about that performance.
- [31:34]
Brian Daboll
He's huge. I mean, he's. He's the most consistent player I've been around. I mean, he just allows you to stay on track. He gets every yard in the run game and more. And what he does in the past game, just straight. You're going to throw the ball to him and not get a completion.
- [31:48]
Colin Cowherd
He could be a slot receiver in the NFL. I mean, he's that gifted. He really. I mean, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, McCaffrey to me are just different.
- [31:55]
Jason
He.
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Colin Cowherd
You could put him out wide. You can put him at. I mean, he had 31 total touches in the game. I think he had 20. I think he had 24 carries and seven catches.
- [32:07]
Rob Parker
I mean, that.
- [32:08]
Colin Cowherd
That to me is way too much of a workload for a guy. I, I don't love that. But 24 carries in the NFL is a lot of carries.
- [32:17]
Jason
Yeah, they're starting to work Brian Robinson in more. The kid they got from Washington. Maybe he's up to speed with the offense. I'll just say this. They kind of need him because Kittle's not there yet. You know, he didn't do anything last night. Juwan Jennings has a Pasco off his hands. It's intercepted. Brandon Ayuk still missing in action. Ricky Pierce saw the longest knee injury in NFL history. When they get healthy and I saw they have the late buy. Colin, man. And no team could use a buy like the Niners now. I mean, they're just bringing guys off the street and trying to plug them in and make it happen. Like.
- [32:46]
Colin Cowherd
No, I mean, if you, if you look at the tale of defense alone, Bosa hurt, Warner hurt, Hunga leaves, Greenlaw leaves. They bring in Robert Sala. They're actually okay. It's a pretty darn good defense. I mean, you name another defense that over the course of a calendar year could lose their four of their. I mean, Bosa, Warner, Hu, Funga are arguably their three best defenders for different reasons. They're all gone. The defense has played Sala and Shanahan. You could argue one's coordinator of the year, one's coach of the year. I think this is as good a job. Mac Jones. It's funny if you take away your initial perception of him and you didn't know he's a. He's kind of not sneaky, athletic, but he runs in spots. He's always thrown a nice ball. But I mean, their offense looks like their offense. It's very Christian McCaffrey reliant last night. But they've done a good job to overcome these injuries. A lot of teams get injured and they just. It's man overboard. That's not been the case.
- [33:42]
Jason
So if you're looking for Stocks to buy in the NFL. I think right now the Niners have to be number one. The schedule and all those injuries, I mean, they were, they were highlighting this new middle linebacker taking over for Warner. I know a lot of sharp betters last night who were on Atlanta just because of the Fred Warner injury, right? He's out. Oh, Atlanta's gonna go nuts. I was like, I don't know about that. This new linebacker, number 45, I'm spacing on his name. He was outstanding last night. So Robert Sala, like you said, probably one of the best defensive coaches in the league.
- [34:10]
Colin Cowherd
Awesome stuff. Christian McCaffrey has 31 more touches this year than Jonathan Taylor. Now, the difference is Warren, Pierce, Pittman are more available. So what's happening to San Francisco is they're like, hey, this is what we have. We would not have him touch the ball 31 times. It would be like 18. But, you know, their takeaway is last night was, you know, the Rams had won in the day, right? So you're sitting there looking around going, okay, the Rams have a W, you know, so you, you've gotta, you've gotta win.
- [34:39]
Jason
All right, let's move to Denver. Colin, the craziest game of the day. You touched on it at the outset. The giants were up 19, nothing heading into the fourth quarter and totally imploded. Jackson darts getting a pass because he was good for most of it. But that interception changed the game. Terrible decision. Here's Brian Dabel at a loss for words.
- [34:59]
Brian Daboll
Tough way to lose. All the way down to the end, 60 minutes and made one more play than we did. A lot of plays that could have changed the outcome of that game. Not just one 60 minute game. So, you know, it was. It's not one play, it's not one position. It's not offense, defense. It's collectively.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, listen, Denver got a little lucky on that one touchdown that ricocheted.
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Jason
Giants got lucky, too.
- [35:33]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, that game ended the way it should have ended. It was wild. You get that. I mean, we've seen a couple, couple of games this year that, you know, Tampa, Seattle may have been the best game of the year. The shootout, Darnold Baker, this wasn't that. Because for three quarters, Denver's offense was inept. I did like both quarterbacks smartly using their legs. Dart and Bo Nicks are good athletes. Use their legs. I've said this for years. The NFL is. The windows are small. The defensive coaching is sophisticated. You're going to need to pick up first downs to help your defense Out. And Denver's defense was like, guys, we're getting tired. You got to. You got to extend some drives. So I think when Sean Payton leaned into Bose, right. Like right here on this video, leaned into it. That's what this kid can do.
- [36:21]
Jason
Yeah. I kind of wish Dable had gone to the podium and just been honest. Guys, I'm effing devastated. We were the better team for 50 minutes. I can't believe that kicker missed an extra point or we go to over. Like, that's the reality. Colin. If a lot of people today on these shows and podcasts are just saying, oh, what a crazy game. Let's be real. Denver was not good yesterday. For 50 minutes they were outclassed at home.
- [36:44]
Rob Parker
Yeah.
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Jason
Again by Jackson Dart, who's throwing to nobodies. I mean, throwing a. Daniel Bellinger, Theo Johnson. Denver got embarrassed. They are lucky that they pulled out. Now, two fourth quarters against the Giants and Eagles where they were down bad. Remember that Eagles comeback?
- [37:00]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. You make your own luck. I mean, they're not. I mean that. That's the greatest quarter by an offense in the history of the league, or at least by a player. So you make your own luck. If Bo Nix wasn't mobile, they don't win that game. He had four rushes, multiple first downs running. He had two rushing touchdowns. So you make a lot of your own luck. And I think Sean Payton also in those key situational moments, Denver always dialed up. I mean, this is one thing that Andy Reid, Sean Payton do. You get into these key situational moments and Denver always call. I mean, you don't know what's going to happen. Is Bo going to run? Are they going to throw to Mims downfield? I mean, Denver's personnel, Jason, they give you. There's a lot of looks. They're long, they're rain. Evan Ingram, offense.
- [37:41]
Jason
He looks good.
- [37:41]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, he's unique. He's like. He just doesn't look. He looks like an NBA guy. He's so big and wide. And Denver's personnel is outstanding, in my opinion.
- [37:52]
Jason
Humor me for a sec. Rank the teams in the AFC West. You could leave the Raiders off because.
- [37:56]
Colin Cowherd
Angel City one, Denver two, Chargers three.
- [37:59]
Jason
Yeah. Big winner yesterday was the Chiefs because the Broncos. I mean, this is. The jets and Giants are struggling with. These are dregs of the league.
- [38:05]
Colin Cowherd
I know.
- [38:06]
Jason
And the Chiefs are blasting dregs of the league. 31 nothing.
- [38:10]
Colin Cowherd
In fairness, Giants beat the Eagles soundly. The Giants have had personnel. The Giants found their quarterback. Giants have the better coach. Giants have the better quarterback. Giants have the better left tackle. Giants have the better defensive front. Giants, strangely, have the much better culture when you look at what's happening with the Jets.
- [38:28]
Jason
Thanks for that dig at the Jets. Final Story con let's go to tonight's game. Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, two cowherd favorites dueling it out in Detroit. We're both on the Lions, either the line has ticked up to six here. Michael Strahan this weekend had some strong praise for Baker Mayfield and how he's performed so far this season.
- [38:49]
Michael Strahan
The thing about Tampa, they just keep winning.
- [38:51]
Matt Hasselbeck
They do.
- [38:52]
Michael Strahan
And then you look at Baker Mayfield and I'm like, this guy, in my opinion, is the mvp. He's the most valuable player in this league and to his team because at one, at points, you've had Godwin out, you had Evans out, Ebuka's been out. Those are three his three top guys and yeah, Irving, Bucky, Irving. And they still keep winning. So a lot of credit to Baker Mayfield.
- [39:13]
Colin Cowherd
I think Baker does the best job of defining his team. He's got a little pirate ship feel to him, and that's what Tampa's always been, a little. They're a little loose, a little bit of a pirate ship little. You know, I mean, they don't. They've always had talent. I covered them 30 years ago. They've always had good players. It's been the quarterback situation. When they have Baker, when they had Brady, Fred Johnson, Fred a while, you know, when they've had decent quarterback play, they've always had the players. And I think Baker kind of speaks to their vibe and their culture kind of chill. You know, they're, they're fun, they're. You never quite know what you're getting with Tampa. Through the years, they've been involved in crazy wild games. I listen when they get healthy, they're beat up, they're winning and they're not healthy. So watch out.
- [39:58]
Jason
There's a Niners vibe there. I'm not going to bore the audience with all the against the spread numbers. Dan Campbell off a loss, Campbell and Goff at home, you know, like they're, they're really good. Detroit should win tonight. I'll just say this. If Tampa pulls the upset and wins outright, that would be a shocker to me. If Tampa wins outright and continues to do it with all these injuries, man, that would, that would be something.
- [40:19]
J. Mac
J. Maclean News well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd Lie news. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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- [44:22]
Colin Cowherd
As a hardened journalist on America's Honesty Broker, I don't root for sides. Except tonight we finally witnessed it. The Philadelphia Eagles offense, totally carried by Jalen hurts. They have to because they can no longer run the football. Last year Saquon Barkley accounted for over 100 yards a game 13 times. This year it's 0 for 7. Is it Saquon fatigue? Is it O line injuries, whatever? 52 yards per game. So it's the fewest rushing yards by an Eagles team at this point in 30 years. So yesterday it was, I mean they've basically they've transitioned their offense. They are now a deep ball offense. They have long dry spells. It's very New York Yankees like it is very home run dependent which I they're not very good on third down. They can't run the ball. They're not consistent. But they hit a lot of home runs. Devonte Smith and A.J. brown, outside of T. Higgins and Jamar Chase and maybe including those guys, that's the best receiving core in the league. So you hope maybe this long ball home run offense loosens up the run game. But it doesn't kind of, it doesn't kind of feel like Saquon is going to be They've shifted their identity. They hit home runs now. No small ball, no controlling the clock. Yesterday they barely had the football. If you turn it on, Minnesota had the ball. So Hertz on 20 plus yard throws yesterday was five of six with three touchdowns. So he proved that he can do it. But it's a they have they have shifted. They're the opposite of last year. It is home run balls, not moving, runners across. And here's Nick Ceriani after the win over Minnesota.
- [46:09]
Brian Daboll
Find a way to win and then identify issues and get better from it. Like, I know how I felt for the last two weeks not winning, so I'm never going to take a win for granted ever again. I think sometimes in the, in the, in the midst of it, you can be like, man, like, we'll be there, we'll get there, like, but we're going to enjoy the heck out of this thing.
- [46:32]
Colin Cowherd
The offense is a little Dr. Jalen, Mr. Hyde. You don't know what you're getting half to half like Denver, but in the end, their receiving core is elite. Jalen throws a beautiful deep ball. They hit on it. And this is not what they were last year. They were at times. But you get some, you know, with this kind of offense like the Yankees, you get long dry spell. Yeah, they don't. They don't, you know, they're not running the football at all. At all. And they're not going to win time of possession and their defense is going to be on the field a lot. But when you can do what you do yesterday, I thought that was an impressive win, all things considered. Force Carson Wentz into mistakes, which he's prone to do. So the Chicago Bears are on a bit of an ugly heater. I said earlier, Ben Johnson watching Caleb Williams sometimes has a resting face of discouraged, disappointed. But I think you have to be honest about the Bears. Their interior line is elite. Their run game is excellent. They're taking the football away. And whereas Caleb was the star of the show offensively, high school, college and last year, that's not, that's not what he does now. He is a supporting actor with this Bears offense. And here's Matt Hasselbeck talking about it.
- [47:47]
Matt Hasselbeck
I think that this could work, but Ben Johnson isn't really the type. Doesn't seem like the kind of guy that's going to change or adj. It's kind of like, hey, Caleb, we're going to play on time, we're going to play on rhythm, we're going to run my, my scheme. I'm not going to put training wheels on you. Like, we're going to take shots early and often. Like, that's part of what we're doing. And if you want to be on board, you want to do it my way, this can work. If you want to revert back to what you did in high school and college, because you were more talented than the people around you, then maybe you're not my guy.
- [48:16]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, listen, you can watch Ben Johnson's frustration with the pass game, but I will argue all day long. The skill people for the bear, DeAndre Swift, Caleb Williams, Luther Burden, Colston Loveland, Cole Comet, DJ Moore, they've got really good skill people. In fact, the last couple of weeks, yards after the Cats, they've been top three. So there's a lot of things to be happy about. It's a good place to be in the NFL when you're on a four game winning streak and aren't playing particularly well on one side of the ball. And again, Caleb is not getting sacked as much despite what you see there. He's cut his sacks in half. He's never been a big interception guy. So it's not like Spencer Rattler who just kind of felt like he wanted to prove things. They're not turning it over a ton. They're winning. The turnover ratio, the turnover differential, they're near the top of the league. They're running the football, they're playing good defense, they've hit some field goal. So again, I mean, they're in a good space. It's very clear. They got the right coach and they've got the right offensive personnel. I said it with Bo Nix earlier. I said it with Jackson Dart. I've said it with Caleb Williams, I've said it with Michael Penix. You're not getting any. Phoenix to Los Angeles, 45 minute smooth flights, all of them have turbulence. You know, Patrick Mahomes, best talented quarterback ever. That's, that's an outlier. Josh Allen was bumpy early. Bo Nix has been bumpy. This is what it looks like. Bears right now again are number one in turnover differential. You'd have taken that 10 weeks ago if I'd have told you in August. Listen, the run game's going to be great. I say this with my wife anytime she's in a bad mood. I said, would you have taken this a year ago? Would you have taken in August? Number one turnover differential, four game winning streak. Run game is devastating. Defense is aggressive and playing well. Check, check, check, check. Either. Taking all of them and you're like, the passing game, it's not there. And you're on a four game winning streak. They're not. It's not pretty, you know. And as the weather gets colder, it gets less attractive. Windsor wins. Our three RG3s around the corner on a Monday. Third.
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