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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong, the Packers can't close out, Matt Stafford looks great, Matt Hasselbeck
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, here we go. Hour two and a Monday lot going on. Two Monday night football games tonight. Colin right? Wrong in a second. Matt Hasselbeck, Cooper De Jean I know, I felt it to John. You know, listen, I, I a little, I got a little French this Show gives you a lot of international sophistication. We have espresso during the show, brie, croissants in the back. Come on, this isn't some domestic only show. I'm. You know, I watch Ryder cup all weekend. You know, I know my st. International flair. Okay, J. Mac, can I just say another thing? Well, I'm not even gonna. I'm not even gonna go there.
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Jason McIntyre
That's one of my favorites. Can I say one thing? You know, you sure can. It's your. It's your show.
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Colin Cowherd
Go for it.
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Jason McIntyre
What do you want to say?
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, I'm gonna wait till now.
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Jason McIntyre
Speech. You can say whatever you want. Come on, let's hear it.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, no. I'm gonna do it in about 15 minutes. Okay, maybe 30 minutes. All right, here we go. Colin right. Colin wrong. Plenty of bolts on a Monday where Colin was right. I said last week with Baltimore, I don't want to hear its injuries. I'm not sure what they do well defensively they weren't good on Monday night and they're not good now. That's the best game Patrick Mahomes has played in a long time. Look at what Kansas City did. Seven yards of play. Kansas City's rebuilding. Their O line, has no run game. Travis Kelce, you get about one big play a game and they don't have a number one receiver. Mahomes hasn't played that well in so long. So. So it's not like Kansas City doesn't have injuries. Rasheed Rice isn't playing. This is Worthy's first game back. They lost their best offensive lineman. They have no real consistent run game. Baltimore, I said it last week. I think it's time to panic. You may need more than just getting guys healthy on the defensive side. Where Colin was wrong. Outside of the Bears game, Brian Schottenheimer has looked buttoned up. I know The Cowboys are 1, 2 and 1, but they're getting the ball to the right people. I mean, this is the best I've seen Dak play in eight years. You got to give. You got to give Brian Schottenheimer some credit for it. They didn't have CD Lamb and they mixed them. They mix it up very well. Again, their clock management was better than Green Bay. Some of that's just Dax been around. He's a smart guy. But I will say they're wildly entertaining to watch. They're in every game they should have beaten. If not for a CD Lambdrop, they should have beaten Philadelphia. I thought this team was going to be Absolutely. Potentially the second, third worst team in the league. And they're a, they're a pretty fun team to watch. And Dak is playing out of his mind where Colin was, right, Brock Purdy or Mac Jones? You tell me there's a difference. Wasn't the knock on Brock Purdy out of college? He was a bit small and reckless. Well, so far this year, four TDs, four picks. He's got more turnovers than total touchdowns. I know the Niners had some drops, but they also had a couple of guys make catches that could have been potentially intercepted had they not made the catch. So he did not play well. Again, he's banged up. I understand that. These are professional athletes. It's the NFL. Everybody's banged up by Week 3 and 4. I don't see the massive gap. I think Purdy's better than Mac Jones, but I don't see the $45 million gap where Colin was wrong. That is the best game offensively I have seen the Steelers play in maybe six years. Honestly, Aaron was tremendous. The back shoulder throws, the tempo. I mean, the Steelers have had an offensive line issue and a run game issue since Big Ben's second to last year. DK Metcalf and Aaron really connected. Steelers had six sacks and a lot of that. The Vikings O lines all banged up. But I don't want to hear about it. All I know is when I watch that game, that was a 2025 offense, a number one receiver, a consistent run game, good pass pro. Aaron deserves credit. They have, they have. He is leading this offense and he deserves credit. Because if you're a Steeler fan, when's the last time you saw a third down, a game plan, a run game that consistent? And Minnesota's got real players. Brian Floor is a great DC Where Colin was right. Oh, I've said Matt Stafford may be the best thrower of a football in the world. He put on a clinic yesterday. I mean, I have him in the super bowl bubble. He and Puka are arguably the best quarterback, wide receiver, combo. Even Tutu Atwell, who was a bus they kept around for a year, ended up having the game winner, McVay plus Stafford and that defense. This is a real team. Indianapolis is no joke. They got, they have a roster. But Stafford, game winning drives, just absolutely beautiful to watch. He is the best pocket quarterback we've had in a long time. Where Colin was wrong. Yeah, I got a little ahead of myself on usc. First real challenge, got pushed around by Illinois, the same Illinois team that had 160 total yards against Indiana had over 500. Everybody's banging on Lincoln Riley because they scored so quickly. Well, you don't want to get cute on the road. They just looked lost. They got burned on this Philly special. They didn't consistently generate a pass rush. I don't know what it is but the longer d' Anton Lin, a great D coordinator is in usc, the softer the defense gets. And I, I think he's done a great job with Jaden my off at the quarterback. But defensively the back end is atrocious. Where Colin was right. Sam Darnold is elite. He's the winningest quarterback in the league since the beginning of last year. This year completing 70% of his throws.106 passer rating and what I like this team is Green Bay young offensively. This is an incredibly young roster. Darnold moves from Minnesota. They jam him in. They go from Kevin o' Connell and Justin Jefferson to a bunch of kids. He's had two game winning drives in four games. He is a great fit. For years and years I said I watched Sam Darnold play. He won in high school at usc, at Minnesota and Seattle. Who's winning with the Panthers and the Jets? This guy can play where Colin was right. Dante Moore. If I had a number one pick in the draft, I would pick Dante Moore the quarterback for Oregon. This kid, the poise, the stoicism, that is a loud road environment. Oregon's a young team, he is phenomenal. I said last week I'm going to take Oregon. Dante Moore is next level. Some of these throws. This, this kid is really good. And all the quarterbacks we thought were going to be great coming into the season, Drew Aller, Cade Plubnik, that's the number one pick in the draft. This, this kid is. If he wants to come out, he may not, but this kid, this kid is really good to go on the road to be his age and he's just not bothered at all. I get if you're a 32 year old NFL quarterback, but that's intimidating. That is an intimidating place. You on the road in overtime and he's making throws off platform.
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Colin Cowherd
With that Matt Hasselback, he loved to throw off platform to his coaches chagrin. Sometimes I tell you this league is, this league is nuts. This, this league is nuts. I want to start with Matt Stafford because Indy kind of gave this game away. When I watch Matt Stafford play, I'm not, I'm talking. If you just said okay, you can't move out of the pocket. You sit in the pocket and you have to throw. I'm not sure there's three guys that have ever been better throwing from the pocket. What do you see with Stafford?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, well, I agree Andy did give the game away, but. No, listen, Matthew Stafford was the question coming into this season. Like his health was the question. This great roster. But he's 37 years old and he's got this back injury. He's walking around like he's constipated for four weeks and we're like, oh, shoot, like this. He's not gonna be able to play this year. And he comes out, he looks amazing. It doesn't surprise me that he looks amazing throwing the ball, but he looks amazing. Like moving in the pocket, you know, like torquing his body, all those different things. I mean, look out, look out. Nfc. This is a team and this is a quarterback that does not fear the Philadelphia Eagles. So I think matchup wise, what he's got going with Puka and Devonte, I think this is a real threat to winning it all in the NFC because of Matthew Stafford.
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Colin Cowherd
So I want to go back and talk about the Packers. So I said, pump the brakes. Listen. Older teams like McVeigh and Stafford and, and these are veteran teams, they know how to close out games. The Eagles have a lot of older guys. The Chiefs do. Buffalo. Green Bay's a bunch of kids. I said, Matt LaFleur isn't a coach, he's a chaperone. It's like a college team. There are a bunch of kids, they don't know how to close out games. Their clock management, There's a reason Dallas's clock management is pretty good. Dax really smart and he's been doing this for a decade. I think Green Bay is fine. I think part of this is. Matt, there's still. They've been the youngest team in the league for three years. They're just trying to figure out how to close these games against inferior opponents.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, well, it's a, it's a young league. And I also think, like, no one's really talking about this, but the two minute operation has changed everything because of the new K ball rule. Kickers, field goal kickers, their range just changed. Like when I was, I was the holder or the backup holder most of my career. You had to get to the 33 yard line. That is no longer the line. If you ask these kickers, they could kick a 65 yarder. And so the two minute operation for quarterbacks, the new kickoff, the dynamic kickoff, and you got these quarterbacks who can spread it all around the field. I think you're going to see more exciting late game teams out of it, but they're not really out of it late, late in the game. I thought offensively both offenses were pretty awesome. I thought the defenses were. This will be a tough one to watch for both teams today.
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Colin Cowherd
So I said, it's weird. There's been, I mean, like, I always felt like golf and baseball are sports because there's a lot of lag time that sometimes in golf, you know, I've seen great players like Greg Norman just evaporate. Or in baseball, I've seen great players like a rod go into a series, it gets into his head and he can't hit. But in football, basketball, hockey, the sports are fast. You know, I mean, there's another snap, another shot. But I look at Lamar Jackson and I honestly think Kansas City's a bit in his head. I think he overthinks it. I mean, you take away the script, the first series, you know, he. He just. I mean, is it or is it. Or is it this?
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Colin Cowherd
He's now got six or seven games against him. He's got the beats on him maybe. Is it that. I mean, what is wrong with Lamar and the Chiefs?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, I do. Listen, I think there are some defensive coordinators that they don't feel. They don't fear certain great players. Lamar Jackson is no doubt a great player, but for whatever reason, Steve Spagnolo and the Chiefs, I don't think they fear him like the rest of the league does. In fact, I would put Mike Tomlin and the Steelers in that boat, too. Those might be the only two. The rest of the league fears him. So this is a tough matchup for him, you know, And I think that, like, I just remember when I was in Seattle, they were. We felt like we could beat anybody. We felt good, good going up against, you know, Ray Lewis's defense, the Ravens. Like, we felt good about them, but like, there were some teams we didn't feel good about. Like, Mike Mart's the greatest show on turf going up against his teams. Like, we just never felt good about that. Erlocker and the Bears, that wasn't a good matchup for us. For whatever reason, the Chiefs, they feel like they've got a system and a game plan that works with the Ravens. And it's tough when it's such a rivalry game. And I wonder, I guess I would wonder if Lamar feels like he's got to put the team on his back when he goes up against the Patrick Mahomes. That's what I would wonder. Because I think he's. He's capable of just playing his normal game from the pocket, not taking so many sacks, but sometimes when he tries to put the team on his back and use his legs too much, I don't think it's the best thing for him. He's an MVP quarterback as a thrower from the pocket if he wants to be.
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Colin Cowherd
So I thought in the early game, that was the most complete Steeler offense I have seen in years. And I thought Aaron looked lively. He had a bounce. I thought, you know, they're running the ball now a little bit. They did. And my take is, does Aaron deserve credit for that? Because Pittsburgh can't get the O line of the run game right for seven years. And Aaron arrives and it's like, you can always say it's luck, but they're now winning games that. I don't know. I just thought, what is it? Aaron looked. Maybe it's the Guinness he had before. I thought he looked really. I thought he looked 10 years younger, honestly.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, you joke about the Guinness, but I do think there's something about great elite quarterbacks who are doing it into their 40s. You got to, like, not get bored. And I think that environment probably, like, like was exciting for him. Getting DK Metcalf involved, I think unlocks this offense quite a bit. But in that Arthur Smith offense, there's a lot of leeway on the quarterback, like a lot of plays. It could be a run, it could be a pass. It's kind of up to the quarterback to decide the play caller kind of calls both. And you're an artist, not a blacksmith in terms of how you paint your canvas as a quarterb. And Aaron Rodgers is great at that. I think leaning into more run game on those. Check with me, probably does help the offensive line and ultimately helps the team. They looked really good. Their division doesn't look good, so this looks like a playoff team. I just hope that, you know, they're in the honeymoon phase right now with Mike Tomlin and Aaron Rodgers. I hope that they continue on this path and don't go kind of on that New York jets path of last year and kind of forget how to help all 11 guys be successful. Most of all up front with the offensive line.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, I want to talk a couple young quarterbacks. First of all, Drake May. We said he was Justin Herbert, but he didn't have the snaps. He's got the coach. Will Campbell looks like it's going to work the rest of the O line. Little shaky. The running game is good. I don't know. I watched Drake May. Now I've watched him the last three weeks. That looks like a hit. That looks like a franchise quarterback to me. What say you?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, definitely. Still learning though. I mean, three weeks ago they destroyed Miami down in Miami. Two weeks ago they played Pittsburgh and they played way than the Steelers. They just turned the ball over five times and Drake was a part of two of those. And so like, that's, you know, I don't care how great you are from the 20 to the 20, if you're turning the ball over, that's not winning football. So he got that corrected. They got that corrected. That was a total beat down against Carolina. That's kind of what I think people are excited about. So this is a, this is a team to watch. Mike Vrabel, when you get the head coach right, get the quarterback right, you know, everything else kind of falls into line usually. So they got a big matchup. I think it's at Buffalo this week. Look out for this team. This was a team in a rebuild mode. They could very well be a wild card team this year.
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Colin Cowherd
So Jackson Dart, they generated and drew up several running plays. Was that because they saw a weakness in the defense or was that because they didn't trust him in the pocket? I mean, it worked. But what was your takeaway in the Giants game plan?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, Brian Dall is not afraid. Afraid to run the quarterback. And I actually think designed runs are the way to do it. You know, I think he ran the ball 10 times. Seven were on designed runs. I think it caught the Chargers by surprise. They used Scatter Boo as a lead blocker. I think it saved for her to do it that way. The element of surprise was there. It's not going to be there the rest of the year, though. Now everyone's seen it and they know. I think for a young quarterback, for me in particular, I remember when I would kind of have this like anxiousness or nerves or excitement going into a game. I always felt better once I took a hit. And so that might have been part of it. Like, hey, let's get a design run. Let him take a hit that he knows is coming and then he'll feel part of the game. What happened was the runs worked and they worked really well. And that first drive was epic. I think there's an excitement in New York right now. I think day ball. I mean, he was practically trying to kiss Jackson dart after the game. That was pretty, pretty Amazing. So I think they're really excited. I think, you know, they got a thing going here. I would just caution you, those design runs, people are ready for it, but there's other ways to do it. You know, I think they should copy a little bit of the Jayden Daniels quarterback run game and use that for Jackson dart. I think that'd be a great, kind of like step two in the process for him with the QB run game.
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Colin Cowherd
So I want to go back to Thursday and talk Darnold and the Seahawks with you combined with Minnesota. So Minnesota made him an offer, reportedly. But, you know, and I don't. I don't. I would have left if I was Sam. It's like, I love Kevin o', Connell, but I want to be a franchise guy. And the bottom line is J.J. mcCarthy was drafted and they're going to play him. But I watched Minnesota yesterday with Carson Wentz and I'm watching Sam Darnold Thursday. I've always thought he was elite. He won in high school. Usc, Minnesota, Seattle. And I don't think anybody can win with the jets and the Panthers. Are you surprised? I mean, Seattle is young. They're like Green Bay young on offense. Are you surprised it's been this smooth for Sam?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, John Schneider's done a great job. But listen, if Geno Smith hadn't forced his way out of Seattle, then Sam Darnold would still be on the Minnesota Vikings. I mean, that's. Or at least he wouldn't be a Seattle Seahawk. I mean, that's the reality. But no, he wanted to be with Clint Kubiak. Clint Kubiak was on Kyle Shanahan staff when Sam Darnold went there to be a Niner, to be a backup and kind of take us, you know, take a step back to take two steps forward in his career, much like Mac Jones did this year. And he hit it off with his play caller. When you have play caller, caller and quarterback really loving each other, really finishing each other's sentences, that's when it clicks. And this offense is perfect for him. It's the same offense that Kevin o' Connell was trying to run. It's run game focused, it's play action focused. It's really Kyle Shanahan's offense with a Clint Kubiak twist and it's clicking. And like you said, this is a very young team, a talented defense. They don't have the blue chip weapons like other teams do. They have jsn. But truly and honestly, I think this is a team that said, hey, let's take a 27 year quarterback with some scars from Carolina, from the jets and let's use those scars to be a battle tested quarterback when it matters. And I think that's what you're seeing out of Sam Darnold. His numbers are great.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah and a fun watch too. Sam is fun to watch. He's just got enough, he's guy I always said when he came out he's got just enough reckless that you got to put some structure in for him. But Andrew Luck was reckless. I mean Josh Allen early was reckless. A lot of these guys that you know, I mean it worked in high school and college, it works a lot of times in the pros it is. I understand guys who sometimes wing it because it's work most of their life.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well there's a difference between like going through your progression, you say you know, you have 1, 2 and then take off and run or try to use your legs. I think what Sam's done a great job of this year is he's gotten through number five in his progression. He'll go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and then run. And even when he does run it's two hands on the ball, eyes downfield, not looking at the rush. And that's where success happens. And even when the play has broken down, some of their most explosive plays this year have been when he has started to scramble eyes downfield and he'll take a shot downfield to a JSN or someone like that and that's quarterbacking. That's elite level NFL quarterback quarterbacking, not high school freshman football, college quarterback quarterbacking. There is a difference and that's what it is.
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Colin Cowherd
Matt Hasselbeck as always on a Monday crushed it. Thanks bud.
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Matt Hasselbeck
See ya.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mac did you wanted to criticize Jackson dart? I don't think it's the time or the day but seems to me I'd watched the jets tonight before I got too cocky. Jackson dart all you all I know is when I watched it I try to think often how a fan would think if I was a Giants fan and I'm watching all these young guys I'm thinking, you know, I mean panics was terrible last weekend. You know he's already been in Atlanta's system for a year and a half and he was terrible. He was good yesterday. My take is for a first start at home pressure chargers pretty impressive I.
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Jason McIntyre
Thought well okay so first of all first impressions matter greatly. Colin. Right? We know that first you meet somebody for the first time like oh that person's impressive. Close your eyes for a moment and I'm going to give you this stat line. You tell me what you think. For a first time starter, 13 of 20 for 111 yards passing, 54 yards rushing. Okay, disconnect from the team. The quarterback. If I told you that was his first start, you'd be like, I need to see way more. Colin. They had one drive that went over 50 yards the entire game and it was the scripted drive to open the game with a great touchdown run by.
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Colin Cowherd
First start against Jesse Minter, who has made a lot of quarterbacks last year look incompetent. First start New York, Jesse Minter. I'll just take the scripted drive and no turnovers. I'll be totally happy.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I just wonder how much of it was. Hey, man, Joe Alt goes down early. You're now Alt was backing up Slater, so now both you have backup tackles. Really? A third trigger on the right side. And Justin Herbert was just under duress, running for his life. Didn't really have much of a chance. Lad McConkey, one catch. I mean, listen, this was an outlier. If you want to make something of it, you can. I'm just telling you, like, I don't. We don't know if Jackson darts the guy. Is that fair to say?
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Colin Cowherd
I'm not saying he's the guy. I said the word is promising. If I'm a Giants fan, I'm like, okay, the Mets disappointed me and broke my heart again. You know, the Mets didn't win a single game this year. Going into the ninth trailing, they didn't have a single only team in baseball.
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Jason McIntyre
Come on. Is that real?
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, it's. It's like whatever the number was, it's insane.
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Jason McIntyre
They're like the jets, basically. The Mets are like the Jets. Just career losers, basically.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, we folks, we got so much stuff. RG3 is going to be in last hour. In insane college football weekend, it's the herd. One more herd.
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Cool.
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Colin Cowherd
Wild one last night, George Picken, he was on a heater. Listen, George Pickens is always good, but I mean, you have to look around the league right now. If you give most quarterbacks time to throw, they're going to eat you alive. And Dak Prescott and Jordan love, I mean, six TDs, no picks. And there's two or three things that are true. Field goal kickers have much greater range. More people are blocking kicks. And the quality and depth of quarterback talent in this league is, it's really good. More and more of these first round quarterbacks are working. Drake Mice, he's a hit. Panicks had a bad week and then had a really good week. So I mean, I think the quarterback level in this league in terms of overall talent, it's pretty good. I don't remember a time where there were this many good young quarterbacks. I mean, Sam Darnold, still 27 and you guys mocked me for years on it. And I kept saying he's got elite traits, coachable, tough, a little reckless. I always said he better than Carson Wentz, not as good as Andrew Locke, but somewhere in that space if he gets good coaching. And I mean the quarterbacks that we criticize, like Kyler Murray, are super talented. It used to be you just criticize a quarterback and he couldn't play. A lot of the quarterbacks people beat up on, like Jared Goff, can't move very well. That's one of the ones you're criticizing. Kyler Murray drives me crazy. Kyler Murray's talented. So in these young guys, it used to be if you could get one big time franchise quarterback, a draft we used to always talk about, oh, the Marino Elway draft. We've had two quarterback draft classes in the last like five years where like five guys hit. I mean Jalen hurts a second rounder. He's hit J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.
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Jason McIntyre
This is the Herd line news. Still waiting for your Time 10 quarterback list Colin at the quarter mark of the season because three of those guys were busts at their first stop and now they're flourishing. Let's get started however with a superstar quarterback and that's Justin Herbert. Man, he was beat up brutal this week down both of his starting tackles. He got hit 12 times yesterday. Felt like more than that. Abdul Carter was in his face on every meaningful down. Here's Harbaugh talking about the need to change that offensive line issue that's very concerning.
- [31:26]
Colin Cowherd
We'll go back and look and we got to get better. We got to put him in a better position. Don't think he was in a. He's been in a good position. We work on it. We get better. Get back to work and regroup, rethink. He's been hit 26 times in the last two weeks. Now this is starting to remind me a little bit of Big Ben and Cam where and Josh Allen early is that he can withstand it now but these are punitive. These are the kind of things that take you it from being old at 34, 33 to being young. Matt Stafford, who I love has sat in the pocket behind battle lines for years and Matt's 37 and looks like Brady did it 44. Justin Herbert's great but he is getting. They have got to get the O line right. Some of it's bad luck. Joe Alt is high ankle sprained. He will be back but for big guys, high ankle sprains are a problem.
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Jason McIntyre
So I'm looking at their next opponent because last week was Broncos. We know they get after the quarterback and this week was Giants. But is it the offensive line or is it the opponents? So next up, Washington commanders. Dan Quinn loves to blitz. The blitz is not getting home as much as they would like. I personally think Chargers will be okay next week. Chargers. Washington is interesting because if Washington loses this I would expect Jaden Daniels back, right? They fall to 2 and 3 from NFC championship to 2 and 3. Now I know Daniels hasn't played for a couple weeks, but the Washington defense, did you see what Michael Penix did to them? I think it's a get right spot for Herbert. Colin, your thoughts on the offensive line, Is it a major concern or hey, it's a Week to weekly. Like the Dolphins in Week 6. They stink. They can't get to the quarterback.
- [33:05]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, I just think the Chargers defense will keep them in a lot of games. I think this was a bad matchup. I said last week, stay away from the packers game and stay away from the Chargers game. Those were two. I just said, and I said stay away from the Bill Saints game. Is that New Orleans was humiliated. They're pro athletes. They were going to play well. The Giants D line with the O line issues and Herbert getting hit might. I said on Friday's show, this is going to be low scoring in a ugly. And so this is. This league is tough and like Minnesota is a well coached team. Minnesota looked awful offensively against Pittsburgh. Why? They were missing three offensive line starters so they couldn't adjust. Kevin o' Connell smart. He couldn't adjust. They couldn't run the ball. So you're stuck. So I just thought this was a combination of the Bear. The Giants defense is great up front and once Joe Alt got hurt, game over.
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Jason McIntyre
Trenches matter. All right, let's move on to the Eagles. Colin, you touched on this earlier. A nice little 90 second riff from you on Cooper DeJean and this bogus, laughable 15 yard taunting penalty. It was basically the Allen Iverson step over. If everybody remembers the Ty Lou thing. For those listening on the radio, person.
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Colin Cowherd
Was way more obnoxious. I mean, Iverson kind of made a point that one felt like football. Guy gets up and walks and by the way, moves his less left leg up. He wasn't trying to sit there. This was not like Scottie Pippen against the Knicks. That's not what this was.
- [34:32]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I just, I need to say Cooper dejeed is a bad. You know what? Okay. This guy is awesome. He is probably one of the best young defensive backs in the league. Colin, not only is he a hitting machine, but he's a playmaker. He's always around me. He's like a ball hawk. He's like a. He's an Ed Reed ish type player. Yeah, he wraps up. He's a great tackler. It's an easy guy to root for. And I know you've seen, you know, I'm a hoops guy guy. You've seen his high school basketball reel.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Jason McIntyre
He's a dunking machine back in high school. Like this is a superior athlete. How about the Eagles drafting Cooper DeJean and Quinon Mitchell? Mitchell was unbelievable yesterday. This is an Eagles team that's pretty nasty. 20 and 1.
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Colin Cowherd
Their issue is offensively they have horrible halves. Like they're trying to get A.J. brown the ball and they can't. Nine targets, seven yards. They're trying to. And they can't do it.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. By the way, did you see the Jalen hurts? Not Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown Instagram thing that he posted yesterday? Yeah, he's. He's not in a good place. Final story. Colin. To college football. I know you were in champagne for what was supposed to be a celebratory Trojans win. And I don't know, man. Lincoln Riley's defense let down. USC did have an awesome comeback in the fourth quarter. Yeah, but they ended up losing.
- [35:49]
Colin Cowherd
They got pushed around the bottom line on this. You can blame Lincoln Riley because they scored too quickly at the end of the. That's not the issue when you're on the road with college kids and you can score, score. You're not dealing with a 13 year NFL veteran at quarterback. This is not Stafford and McVeigh if you can score, score. But defensively they've gotten worse and they've got size. They nil. They went and bought a defensive line. They got no push. They got pushed around. They look tired at the end of the first half and I don't know if it's stylistic or it's because of the way they practice, but Illinois that got completely humiliated by Indiana had over 500 yards. I was at the game. Illinois does not have the kind of offense that should have 500 yards against any team in the Big Ten. It's not that kind of offense.
- [36:40]
Jason McIntyre
You know these 19, 20 year old guys, they see Illinois got their doors blown off and they're like, oh, we're going in six, six point favorites or whatever it was. And they got all cocky. I'll just say this, I think Jordan Mava, I think you probably called this, actually.
- [36:55]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry.
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Jason McIntyre
Jade Maiva. I think he's better than Arch Manning. I'm not even kidding. I'm watching this kid. He's making plays left and right. He looks like a pro.
- [37:04]
Colin Cowherd
I think he's good missing. They had their tight ends in the slot. They were missing their number two receiver for 90% of the game. Lemon's amazing, but I mean, he made in this game. And I was sitting with USC people. He made four or five and this is one of them unbelievable throws. He is, I don't think he's a huge prospect. He's.
- [37:23]
Jason McIntyre
I, I would.
- [37:26]
Colin Cowherd
He doesn't have a huge arm. He's more of a placement quarterback. He doesn't have a ton of horsepower.
- [37:31]
Jason McIntyre
63215 man, he looks better than Nussm. I would take him over Club Nick in a heartbeat. It's not even close.
- [37:39]
Colin Cowherd
You're right.
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Jason McIntyre
This guy looks good man. Well, let's see what he does against, you know, Michigan in a few weeks and But I I was impressed by the quarterback.
- [37:48]
Colin Cowherd
J. Mackle the News well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. Yeah, I just couldn't. I could not get over how bad USC's defensive front was. Thank God for Eric Gentry making a couple plays or it could have gotten worse. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the iHeartRadio app the best B2B marketing.
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Colin Cowherd
Cool.
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- [42:10]
Colin Cowherd
Your area only on Fox so Cam Ward is struggling. He's talented but it is hard to be a rookie quarterback and Jackson darts feeling pretty good about himself. Last year was a big quarterback class and we said we thought most of these guys outside of JJ McCarthy was the one I didn't really buy but I like liked everybody at certain levels. I loved Caleb and Jaden Daniels and I really liked Penix and Bo Nix and I thought Drake May also was going to make it. So Drake May won again yesterday. Three touchdowns, 155 passer rating. You can look at the highlights. Size, temperament, accuracy, mobility. He's top six right now in total yards, in total touchdowns and he doesn't have a Ton to work with PFF and their preseason evaluation had New England as the second worst wide receiver group. So to me head coach Will Campbell looks like he's going to work head coach, left tackle quarterback. Renew your season tickets. It looks like they found the guy. Special teams are excellent. So I would say if you look over last year's first round quarterbacks, here is the report card. Caleb looks promising. Jaden and Drake may in my opinion are hits. Michael Penix, inconsistent like Caleb, but very promising. JJ McCarthy wasn't a huge fan. I have real doubts. He looks overwhelmed. Bo Nix who plays tonight, I think that is another hit. He's been a shaky September quarterback but good otherwise. And here's Mike Vrabel on his young qb.
- [43:45]
Matt Hasselbeck
Just throw to the guy that's open in the progression as soon as he's open and then if not quickly progress through. Those are the things that quarterbacks have to do and they have to have a command of it. And we, we did that. If we continue just to believe in the quarterback that he's going to throw it to the guy who's open in the progression, that good things will happen.
- [44:07]
Colin Cowherd
Okay, so I like getting up and having a football game on. Now that I live in Chicago most of the year, I don't like waiting till noon. When I used to live out east waiting to one it was like honeydews. Mow the lawn, get me out of here. Now I gotta wait till noon. So I love international games, you know, bonjour, smoke all day, wear socks, dress socks to bed, whatever. I'll turn French if I have to get more early games. I am a fan of it. Especially a fan. If you're a Steeler and you watched Aaron Rodgers yesterday, like I've been saying this for years. Tomlins, fine. The defense will make plays. They spend a bunch of money on it. It's not a real chaotic franchise. They can't run the ball, their pass pro is shaky. I thought yesterday blew me away. 130 rushing yards. Aaron had only four balls hit the ground. He and DK Metcalf clearly work. And again, this is against a real team. We're not talking jets and Bengals here. It's a real defense with a real coordinator. So their offense has been struggling for seven years and it was certainly the best offensive performance. And I'm not just talking stats, I'm talking pass pro run game. Facing a real team. Time to throw a connectivity with a star receiver. I mean Russell Wilson had a couple of big games last year. They didn't feel like this. So it's the first time I have watched the Steelers offense. I'm honestly, in years. And I was like, oh, they could win a playoff game. It's 20, 25. That's a real offense. So, I mean, they've got a star receiver, a smart veteran quarterback. They're good on third down. They run the ball. There was holes. They were good in the red zone. I mean, it was. I. This is not the Steelers. I watched for the last six years. So. And Brian Flores, I mean, honestly, I. You know what I felt like? It was like that dysfunctional family member came out for a family vacation and you're like, oh, he's got a job. He's not wearing a band T shirt. He's got a sweater on and a cute girlfriend. He's talking about he setting up a Roth ira. You're like, oh, the dysfunctional brother in the family's all grown up. I felt like I watched the grown up offense. I, you know, listen, and I've been critical of Aaron. Aaron looked great. I was, I was blown away with Aaron. It's my favorite bet of the week. I started 0 and 1. But yeah, J. Mac rolls his eyes. You didn't win that one either. But I told you, stay away from the Bills, stay away from the Chargers, stay away from the Packers. Get out of. Those are traps. But I, I mean, you and I have been critical of Aaron Rodgers, but we have to be fair in this business. He looked really young and really vibrant and really good, did he not?
- [46:56]
Jason McIntyre
Yes, I did. Whiff on the Vikings and Rogers looked good. So they clearly knew that he was going to be in trouble under pressure.
- [47:02]
Colin Cowherd
Right?
- [47:02]
Jason McIntyre
Everybody knew that. They released the ball. I think it was the quickest Rodgers had released it this season. Everything was boom, boom, get rid of the ball instantly. None of this, like hang around and go through progressions. And Rogers delivered like it was a good game plan. I will admit Minnesota's offensive line killed them in that game when they were injured. 80 yard touchdown to DK Metcalf to make it.
- [47:24]
Colin Cowherd
Well, that's not. That's 14 3. That's not fluke.
- [47:26]
Jason McIntyre
Come on.
- [47:27]
Colin Cowherd
80 yards.
- [47:27]
Jason McIntyre
It's the longest touchdown of the season so far. That's flukey. They're not replicating that. You know that. That was a lucky play and I know that sounds dismissive. It was 24. Six Steelers killed him. We were way wrong. I was wrong. Carson Wentz, by the way, Carson Wentz. Is there a quarter of that controversy in Minnesota anymore?
- [47:44]
Colin Cowherd
Huh? Huh? What would JJ McCarthy done against that pass rush. I mean, it was. I don't want to make excuses though. Like, the Vikings could not adjust. They didn't have the personnel.
- [47:56]
Jason McIntyre
Well, by the way, a lot of people going after Kevin o' Connell here. Vikings, dopey Vikings fans. Hey, I don't know Kevin o'.
- [48:03]
Colin Cowherd
Connell.
- [48:03]
Jason McIntyre
What's happening? Like. Like people are just overreacting. Carson Wentz did not look like he was ready. I think he got sacked six times. Colin. Well, a lot of poor decisions in the pocket.
- [48:12]
Colin Cowherd
I also want to talk about this. Let's talk Bears and Raiders for a second.
- [48:15]
Jason McIntyre
Okay. Please.
- [48:15]
Colin Cowherd
Yes. So it was an interesting game. The Bears Raiders was interesting. It was really ugly. It was the opposite of last night, which was really beautiful offensive football and great quarterback play. So Geno was hideous. Geno Smith had three turnovers. I still can't figure out Pete Carroll. Literally can't sleep at night if you throw one interception. Pete can't stand turnovers. He likes Gino. Gino, how many do you have now? 7. So Gino was atrocious and the Bears needed a block field goal to win with four turnovers from their defense. So my takeaway though, when you watch the Bears play is I think you have to be honest about this. I don't think Ben and Caleb are ever. I mean, like Brock Purdy and Shanahan. What Brock Purdy does is what Shanahan wants him to do. Right. Like, and I thought Sam Darnold and Kevin o', Connell, that's how he wants his quarterback to play. Where you've got some ceiling and upside. Yeah, Like, I think. I think Caleb. The most impressive thing to me was that Caleb was making hard throws over the middle of the field, which a lot of smaller quarterbacks can't. He's not small, but I. It's not just that he completed the ball, is he kept his eyes downfield when he was running. He slid at the right time, but he made some over like that throw right there to Roma Dunze. That is a big time. Matt Stafford throw. It's not just throws up the sideline. He sat there. They could not block Max Crosby. They could not block him. And Caleb knew they couldn't block him. Caleb knew they couldn't block him. So that's in Caleb's head. They're on the road. They had. I mean, they had penalties. So to win inartistically and Caleb making big boy throws down the middle of the field with Crosby baring down on you. Here's Caleb after the win. I think those moments that you know, we're, we're born for that I'm born for. And I think being able to portrayed the belief that, you know, guys, this.
- [50:25]
Matt Hasselbeck
Is all we got and this is all we need. We're, you know, in a position where.
- [50:29]
Colin Cowherd
We'Re not in a favor position. We're down, it's all 11 of us on the field and we got to go do a job. And so I think just the belief.
- [50:38]
Matt Hasselbeck
The trust, the hard work that we put in, those are the moments that.
- [50:42]
Colin Cowherd
You, that you wish for. I'm going to throw this out there though, is that I do feel like Roma Dunze and Caleb have a connection. Cole Commit, who was with him last year, they have a connection. I mean, Luther Burden, it's hit and miss. DJ Moore can feel like he disappears throughout the first four games of the year and guys get dinged up and we don't know the health of everybody. Sometimes the guy gets dinged up on the second series and the coaches don't want you to know. So I don't want to try to guess or speculate. I think they could move one of their skilled people to get a little better defensively because sometimes I feel like they have too many players that Caleb has to get the ball to and clearly he and Roma Dunze fit.
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Colin Cowherd
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