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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Which NFL teams should be worried, big games this weekend, Joel Klatt
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Colin Cowherd
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Julian McCullough
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Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. Hour two, ready to roll. We are live. It is the Herd, wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Baseball playoff start. Regular season end Sunday. Baseball playoff start. Brewers. Mariners. World Series. Milwaukee to win it. Stop. You cannot win a World Series with a bad bully. Can't. Can't do it. Dodgers cannot win a World Series without bullpen.
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Colin Cowherd
Mariners. You're getting emotional.
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Julian McCullough
Mariners have an elite closer, top 78 staff. They. They don't have to manufacture rallies in. In the playoffs. You face great pitching. You got to hit some jabs, you got to get home run, you got to get fast runs. You're not going to have six hit rallies against the best staffs. You're not going to do that.
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Colin Cowherd
We'll merge that hot take with some actual odds later in the show. If you want to revisit. I can assure you the Mariners are not close to the favorites.
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Julian McCullough
Sometimes I can be perceptive. All right, we're going to play a game before clack comes on. So. And these are not all great teams, but there are no perfect teams in the NFL. The Eagles are about as close as you can get. But. But there. Some of these teams have massive holes. And my take is if you've got a star quarterback like Matt Stafford, and he's old. Yeah. You need to fix the hole. So we're going to play panic or patience. Are you ready to go?
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Colin Cowherd
I think so. Yes.
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Julian McCullough
All right, let's play this for four or five minutes. All right.
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Colin Cowherd
So, Colin, we'll start with the Baltimore Ravens. They got embarrassed by the Lions. They're 31st in SC defense.
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Julian McCullough
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Should the Ravens be panicked or patient?
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Julian McCullough
I think they have to make a move at the trade deadline. You watch Detroit run all over them. Well, who's their big rival in the afc? Kansas City and Baltimore. And Buffalo. James Cook. And Buffalo can run and keep the ball away from Lamar Jackson. This is a great offense. But you watch Lamar Jackson on the sidelines against the Lions. That's what Buffalo has the ability to do with their James Cook led run game and their excellent tight ends. I think they have to make a defensive move at the trade deadline and give up something on offense.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, let's go to the Chiefs. Their offense is anemic, 21st in scoring. Colin, should the Chiefs be panicked or patient?
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Julian McCullough
Panic because this is Travis Kelce's last year and they don't really have a receiving core to build around. So don't waste Mahomes talent right now they have no run game Kelsey last year cross your fingers on the maturity of she Rice. So I think they have to look strongly at Tyreek Hill again. Is it a one year deal? But this is Travis's last year. He will be in the biggest games ready to roll and block which he wasn't early in this season. I think you need to make a move at the trade deadline.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. Pittsburgh Steelers they spent all that money on defense. 31st against the run. Colin, should the Steelers be panicked or patient?
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Julian McCullough
I would be more in the panic mode. I think this is Aaron Rodgers last year. There is no guarantee you get a quarterback as good as Aaron Rodgers next year. The O line is inexplicably bad again. Najee Harris is gone. Caleb Johnson could be a miss, could be a whiff if if you didn't go get Aaron Rodgers for a three year plan. It was a one year plan. Fix the offensive line. Go get a very good running back on a bad team at the trade deadline. Right.
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Colin Cowherd
Both of us like the Bills to win the Super Bowl. However, after three games they're last in rush defense. Now some of that is Derrick Henry and Lamar in the opener. Should the Bills be panicked or patient?
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Julian McCullough
I think they need to make a move. Defensively they are terrible on third down. And by the way the best teams in this league, Eagles, Lions, Ravens, Rams, some of the best teams. They all have excellent run games. Again, when you have a star quarterback, how do you lose? He is like Lamar Jackson watching the game from a bench. I think Buffalo, maybe they move one of their. They have three really good tight ends. Could they move a tight end to get an interior defensive lineman? Give up a a good tight end and a draft pick. I think they need to make a move.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Your boy Bo Nix, we need to have a real conversation eventually. He's got an 83.4 passer rating. Lowest graded starter among PFF quarterbacks. Should the Broncos be panicked or patient?
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Julian McCullough
Patience. Here's their upcoming schedule. Bengals, Jets, Giants, Cowboys, Texans, Raiders. He's going to have a 98 to 103 passer rating. He's going to be just fine. Tough early schedule. For the record, struggled last year in September. Take a deep breath. Have patience.
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Colin Cowherd
Saquon Barkley. I Mean Colin, they're three and oh. But he has not gotten off to a good start. Panicked or patient over Saquon?
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Julian McCullough
Patience. He. The Eagles have 130 plus rushes yards in every game. Remember, look at all his touches last year. Look at all his touches. So take a deep breath. I think you know, needs a bye week. Could they rest him for a week against an easier opponent? They'll be fine. But I do think there's a little fatigue from last year's heavy workload.
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Colin Cowherd
For sure. Packers lost to the Browns. Panicked or Patience?
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Julian McCullough
Patience. The Brown scoring drives were 4 yards and 16. They were on the road. Jordan Love threw his first bad pick in about 10 games. This is a great team that had a bad Sunday and really a bad fourth quarter. Green Bay is fine.
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Colin Cowherd
Rams gag away a huge lead against the Eagles. Just a collapse. Should they be panicked or patient?
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Julian McCullough
A little panic here. AJ Brown is a problem. They don't have size at the cornerback position. And by the way, they have not drafted in the secondary outside of safety Cameron Kitchens. They have not selected anybody in the backfield in, in the, in five years. In the first three rounds they have kind of neglected this position. They should have gone after it. I think last year in the draft they did not go get a top corner. So they've got a lot of smaller middle, late round defensive backs and you know, Amaran Saint Brown, AJ Brown, Mike Evans, Justin Jefferson. A lot of these teams in the NFC have a big, tall, rangy number one receiver. I think at the trade deadline they got to give up a pick and go get a top corner.
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Colin Cowherd
Finally, C.J. stroud. He stinks. Should the Texans be panicked or patient?
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Julian McCullough
Patience. First of all, their own line the last two years is arguably the worst in the league. Joe Mixon's hurt, so they have no run game. So I mean listen, like most young quarterbacks, it's circumstantial. He's very good early when his first year he had a good old line. Healthy receivers, they've had massive offensive injuries. He has still world class precision. Take a deep breath on Bo Nix and CJ Stroud. The Green Bay packers take a deep breath. But there are some really good like Buffalo. The way to beat them is the way Detroit beat Lamar Jackson. I would give up one of my tight ends in a draft pick to fix the interior of my D line. And with that, the voice of college football at Fox, Joel Klatt, who's gonna be calling the Trojans and the Fighting Illini Saturday. Can't wait for that. Let me Start with this. I was surprised by the line because I think Ohio State's got much better players than Washington. I think it'll be a really picturesque day, but lost in, you know, there's been so much talk about Texas isn't that good and Clemson's falling apart and Notre Dame lost two games. Lost in all of it is. Ohio State's really, really good. So they're not getting a lot of discussion since the Texas win. Julian saying, when you look at Ohio State, is there anywhere they're better than last year's team that won the Natty?
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Joel Klatt
Oh, that's a. That's a great question. Last year's team, I mean, from a roster construction standpoint, was. Was historically good. You know, they were the best talent composite team in the entire country a year ago. Hard to say. I do think that they could probably have a more elite passing game in particular down the field. I think saying gives them that with his precision. Now, he has thrown a couple of picks in the last couple of games, and that's worrisome for a young quarterback in particular about to go make his first start on the road. And by the way, Husky Stadium is nothing to scoff at now. Washington has the second longest home win streak in college football at 22 games. Colin, they haven't lost since 2021. And Washington is a very good football team. I think that they have gone totally overlooked in our sport. In fact, the AP poll continues to prove to everyone what a worthless piece of junk it is by not giving Washington one vote. Not one. Not one. You've got to be kidding me. That is. It's so disrespectful. It's. It's out of control. Demond Williams is a very good player at quarterback. They've got Coleman, Jonah Coleman at running back, running back.
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Julian McCullough
Coleman's A great top 10 running back in the sport.
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Joel Klatt
And Denzel Boston is very good on the outside. I actually think Washington might give Ohio State some fits in this one. Not only the environment, but a quarterback that can run around and be mobile. I think the. The eight and a half that this line is right now, I would probably take the eight and a half and Washington. I could see Ohio State using a conservative game plan, Colin, this weekend in particular, like they did against Texas, to protect the young quarterback because it's his first start in the road environment. And to do that in this environment, I think is going to be big for Julian saying I think that they'll be conservative and win this one by only a score.
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Julian McCullough
Oregon at Penn State is going to be magnificent. Excellent defenses. Drew Aller came into the season as the quarterback we talked about. Dante Moore is a pro quarterback. Eventually that dude, he, as they say, he can spin it. I think I like Oregon with the upset. Now you're talking about two great defenses. James Franklin doesn't get the love because he's known as a recruiter. Well, he won at Vandy, he won here. Their defenses are always good. I think it's fairly low scoring despite the high profile quarterbacks because I think the defenses are really good. How do you see it?
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Joel Klatt
Well, there's two huge question marks in this game for me. The first one is Penn State in general under James Franklin. They do not win these types of games.
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Julian McCullough
They don't.
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Joel Klatt
That's the big knock, in fact, and the data backs that up. It's not just sentiment. You got to go back to 2016 for the last time that they won a regular season game against a top 10 opponent.
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Julian McCullough
Wow.
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Joel Klatt
And it's 14 in a row. They're owing 14 in the regular season against the top 10 opponent. Now they, they beat Utah in a bowl game and Boise was technically ranked also in a, in a boy bowl game and inside of the top 10. But not in the regular season and not against the Big ten. And this Oregon team is formidable. And the reason that you articulated is quarterback. I think Dante Moore is quickly becoming one of the Heisman favorites in college football. Yeah, he is ridiculously talented as a thrower, but he's also prepared and can run. So that combination for me makes him a really dangerous player. This environment is going to be incredible though. I just talked about the Husky Stadium up there in Seattle. I tell you, the whiteout at Penn State probably is the most difficult environment in all of college football. I, I, I can't make a pick. I mean, I, on my show I said Penn State by one. I think it's going to be a crazy game. I would take the three and a half if I was, if I was out there with Oregon, yes. But maybe Penn State. Because here's the thing. I think James Franklin has to win this game. Like Dan Landing in Oregon, they don't have to win this game. But if Penn State loses at home, it's like we're all going to be sitting there and thinking to ourselves, is he ever going to win a matchup game? Yeah, he went to the semifinal last year, but they beat Boise and smu. Not quite the same route that Ohio State had to take to the national championship last year when they had to play Tennessee and then Oregon and then Texas, you know. So when is, when is the moment when James Franklin and Penn State is going to level up? Maybe it happens on Saturday, but they really need to win a game like this or else their confidence level is going to start to get rattled.
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Julian McCullough
Speaking of a team that struggles in big spots, Lincoln Riley's been 4 and 10 against ranked teams. I said this earlier. Caleb Williams is a bit more talented quarterback than Jaden Mayava. But when I would watch USC with Caleb Williams, I felt like it was Caleb's offense and Lincoln sometimes was along for the ride. When I watch this offense, it is Lincoln Riley's. Yeah, power run. He liked to run the ball more at Oklahoma that people give him credit for. Very clever tight end use. Really, really clever. I mean they, they. There's a very layered offensive gameplay. Very little is ad libbed.
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Joel Klatt
Okay.
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Julian McCullough
So yeah, it feels like to me this USC team with their size up front, this is his first team that I feel like I'm what this is completely Lincoln Riley's team.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, it's very much more in the blueprint. Yeah, you've come around. I told you this three weeks ago and you kind of raised your eyebrows. I remember. But yes, yes, they're number one in the country in yards per play. They're top five in yards per pass, top five in yards per rush. So it's balanced which the oh you offenses were always balanced. And this was because here's the thing, this can be true, this can be true that Caleb Williams was the best quarterback talent wise that Lincoln Riley had at USC and Jaden Myava's offense could be better than Caleb Williams offense.
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Julian McCullough
Why?
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Joel Klatt
Because it's more balanced. My alba stays within the system more. So what they threaten the defense with is actually what I would consider to be deeper than what Williams threatened the defense with. Williams played so much ball outside of the X's and O's it was hard to game plan from an offensive perspective. There were times when the numbers would suggest he needed to hand the football off. But in the run pass option he would keep it in order to try to make a play with a cape on his back. And again, incredibly talented. But this offense is better and it's more balanced. Wayman Jordan at running back is really good. And then you mentioned the, the line of scrimmage. They're better on the offensive line than they have been the last couple of years. That's pretty clear. But also the defensive line, did you know that they, they knew that they needed to get bigger and size plays Such a huge part in being able to play solid defense on the defensive line. This year they average in their defensive line too deep, £300. Last year it was 270, just over 270. So they're much more formidable up front on the defensive side, which I think is going to help them in the Big Ten schedule. This is, I think, the most underrated team in the country. They lost a lot of close games a year ago. They're much better. Their offense is very good and it's balanced. I think USC is on the precipice to make a run here in the next month when they've got Illinois on the road. They're going to have Notre Dame, they're going to have Michigan. You're going to see them win some of these games and everyone's going to be well. I think they're going to have their eyes open to how good USC actually is.
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Julian McCullough
Well, it's interesting. I said, I told Urban Meyer this about a month ago. I said the NIL coaches initially looked at it as, you know, evil. I said it's actually a job saver because you can't fire the coach and write an $80 million check and also have $20 million a year to buy players. I'm like, in the end, you're going to give Brian Kelly an extra year or two because you're asking so much of your donors. And so the Nil, actually, it's almost like March Madness. If you make the tournament, you keep your job. The NIL is giving coaches a year or two. And so I look at Lincoln, I think they're on their way. And I look at Oklahoma and I said this a couple of weeks ago, John Matier, now he's banged up and they're not going to have him for a while. He's excellent. That kid is excellent. I think Venables, between all the juniors and seniors on defense and finding their magical quarterback, and it takes a while. Sometimes even the big schools can't find him. I think Lincoln and Venables, it's going to work. And I think in a different world, 20 years ago, they'd had the donors breathing down their neck. My question with Oklahoma, because I think Oklahoma is a playoff team. I think they're a top six or seven team, but now they don't have their quarterback.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah.
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Julian McCullough
What's that going to look like?
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Joel Klatt
I would disagree with you. On. On. Oh, you. Because they don't have balance and they don't have depth at this point because in order to beat Michigan, Mater had to Be Superman. And he was.
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Julian McCullough
And he is gifted.
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Joel Klatt
He's very gifted and he's sensational. Now he's got this broken hand. He's going to have surgery now. He's to be out a month. They don't beat Texas without John Matier. I'm sorry. I don't care how good their defense has played and they have played incredibly well. They're not going to beat Texas without John Mateer because their offense doesn't do anything without John Mattier. Do you know their, their running backs average per rush is 130th in the country. So they don't have anything outside of mater. So now he's gone for a month. They will lose one, maybe two games. They've got Ole Miss in that stretch. They've also got South Carolina in that stretch. But then Colin, once they get him back, then they've still got to face Alabama, Missouri, lsu. Like I, I don't see them being a playoff team without him healthy every single week. And this was my exact concern right after they beat Michigan is I was like, that's a great win for Oklahoma, man. It's fantastic. And material should be the Heisman front runner, but. But if he goes down, watch out. And that's where we're at. So I'm actually a bit concerned. I would be panicked for Oklahoma at this point. The back end of their schedule is not favorable without material on the field. I don't see them beating teams that they are evenly matched in, which they were able to do against Auburn and against Michigan. So. So from the Oklahoma standpoint, I, I'm a bit concerned for them.
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Julian McCullough
Most underrated team in the country. Most overrated team in the country.
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Joel Klatt
Oh, that's, that's a good one. I think USC is the most underrated team in the country. I don't think people really realize how real USC is. I think you can make a case that Washington is the most underrated team in the country without one vote in the ap, which is just ridiculous. Overrated. That's a tougher one I think.
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Julian McCullough
Let me throw out. I don't know if they're rated high. I don't buy Michigan. Despite beating Nebraska. I don't buy them.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, I mean they're not rated overly high. I think that that score was a lot closer than the game indicated.
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Julian McCullough
Absolutely.
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Joel Klatt
They ran it for over 300 yards. You know, notary or excuse me. Nebraska threw a Hail Mary at the end of the half, then they scored late. So, so really it was like a 10 point margin. The way the game played out and it ends up being three on the scoreboard. I would look at a team like Ole Miss.
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Julian McCullough
Ole Miss might be overrated, you know, this weekend. Yeah, yeah.
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Joel Klatt
They've got LSU and they're weirdly favored in that game. I don't buy that at all. They're favored by a point and a half. I don't buy that at all. Ole Miss struggled to beat Kentucky and Arkansas. That's an Arkansas team that they lost to. Memphis Shambless is their new quarterback. He's a D2 transfer, came from Ferris State, won a national championship there. But now they're going to face a defense that is really good. LSU's defense is fantastic.
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Julian McCullough
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
And in a lot of ways is the reason that LSU is undefeated. So I think Ole Miss is a bit overrated at this point. And then I'll tell you a team that I would. I think Bama struggles this week, but we've. We've kind of come back.
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Julian McCullough
Georgia doesn't lose at home. Georgia's going to beat Bama.
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Joel Klatt
I agree. But it's also what people are failing to realize is Bama is terrible on the road. Colin, if you go back to last year, they played totally uninspired against Vandy. Lost on the road. They got throttled by Oklahoma, which Oklahoma was not a great team last year.
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Julian McCullough
I know, I watched that game.
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Joel Klatt
And they got throttled on the road at Oklahoma. They come out after a full off season in the first game of the year and got blasted by Florida State on the road. And now they've got to go on the road and maybe the toughest place to play in the country where Georgia hasn't lost since pre Covid. They've got the longest home winning streak in the country and Georgia is coming off a confidence builder in which they were down 217 on the road in Neyland Stadium to Tennessee. Came back and won that conference. Still goes through Georgia. I think Bama is in some serious trouble this weekend.
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Julian McCullough
Speaking of on the road, there are. You may want to watch the old pregame show on Fox this weekend.
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Joel Klatt
I hear you're making a trip down to Champaign.
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Julian McCullough
The producers will hopefully squeeze me in for 20 seconds. It's a pretty crowded set so I'm going to try to, you know, weasel my into a way into about 20 seconds. I told I got to talk to Urban so I'm excited for that.
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Joel Klatt
I love it. Well, we will welcome you with open arms, my friend and hopefully we get a great environment and a great game on Saturday.
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Julian McCullough
You know, the Most fun you can have in champagne. Urbana.
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Joel Klatt
It's the first train leaving, so don't do that. You don't do that. Why? Why do that? Before you go, I. I love champagne. Hey, champagne, come to town and I love you. I've heard you got a great ice cream spot, by the way. I don't know what it's called, but I hear there's some great ice cream.
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Julian McCullough
No, no, no, no. I like champagne too. With some salmon.
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Joel Klatt
Man of the people here he is man of the people right here.
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Julian McCullough
I'm joking, people. This is. This show is Tongue in Cheek.
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Joel Klatt
That's right, that's right.
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Julian McCullough
Everywhere.
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Joel Klatt
That's right.
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Julian McCullough
All right, good seeing you, buddy.
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Joel Klatt
You as well. Have a great day, bud.
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Julian McCullough
Yeah, no, I can't wait. I'm gonna be here. We got a lot of people on these pregame shows. You know, I try to wedge my way in. Have to, you know, kind of use a power move to get on that show. So hopefully I can sit down with the fellas. One more herd.
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Colin Cowherd
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Julian McCullough
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Julian McCullough
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Julian McCullough
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Julian McCullough
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Julian McCullough
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Joel Klatt
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Julian McCullough
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Julian McCullough
Mark Sanchez last hour. I'm looking at my pocket schedule on the Bears trouble. Dodgers also trouble. Gotta figure that bullpen out, man. Little late. J. Maclean News. No, no, no, turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herdline news. All right, let's go to the nfc. Colin, Katie, Caleb Williams, he got to face the Dallas defense. Lit him up. 298 yards, four tutties. We've seen some growth from Caleb week over week and tight end Cole Comet talked about his ascendance under Ben Johnson.
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Joel Klatt
I thought he played great. You know, you talk about, you know, coach down up some plays and Caleb executing on him.
- [31:24]
Julian McCullough
It was really good to see Caleb do all that stuff. And then when he had to make a play, he made it.
- [31:28]
Joel Klatt
The play on the fourth down to DJ at the back of the end zone, kind of extending it a little bit and making it finding the receiver.
- [31:34]
Julian McCullough
And, and, and getting a touchdown there.
- [31:36]
Joel Klatt
So good stuff by Caleb. He continues to ascend every week.
- [31:41]
Julian McCullough
Yeah, I think it's too easy to just say Dallas stinks. It's still an NFL game. There's pressure. I mean, he made big throws in big spots and he deserves credit.
- [31:52]
Colin Cowherd
What do you mean? It's too easy to say Dallas?
- [31:54]
Julian McCullough
Well, I mean, everybody went up and.
- [31:56]
Colin Cowherd
Down the field before the interruption. And by the way, Russell Wilson threw for 450 yards.
- [32:00]
Julian McCullough
Dallas gave Jalen hurts and the Eagles problems.
- [32:03]
Colin Cowherd
Well, not before that storm. After there was like the outage and the one hour break, the Eagles did nothing. But before that, easy work. I mean, again, you can get all excited about Caleb. He now has to go to the Raiders, right? This week, Bears are favored. Who you got in this one?
- [32:20]
Julian McCullough
I don't have a strong opinion.
- [32:23]
Colin Cowherd
Nobody's saying you have to. I think the Raiders will be fighting.
- [32:27]
Julian McCullough
I have four strong opinions this week and I'm looking for a fifth.
- [32:30]
Colin Cowherd
Okay, let's go to the second story. Cowboys traded away Micah Parsons, obviously. And, oh, wouldn't you know what? The defense is hemorrhaging yards, points, one of the worst units in the NFL. NFL writer Robert Mays believes this all comes down to Jerry's lack of ambition.
- [32:48]
Joel Klatt
Previous eras of the Cowboys, when Jerry was actually the one, like pulling the.
- [32:51]
Julian McCullough
Strings and making a lot of the.
- [32:52]
Joel Klatt
Personnel decisions, it was haphazard, it was scattershot. It was not rooted in any sort of logic most of the time.
- [32:58]
Colin Cowherd
But at least there was a level.
- [32:59]
Joel Klatt
Of ambition to it, right? Like they were trying something, he was.
- [33:03]
Julian McCullough
Making moves, he was trying to go.
- [33:05]
Joel Klatt
Get talent, they were trying to win.
- [33:07]
Julian McCullough
And even if you didn't, even if.
- [33:09]
Joel Klatt
You could argue with the effectiveness of.
- [33:11]
Colin Cowherd
It, I think you at least had.
- [33:12]
Julian McCullough
To appreciate the fact that he was.
- [33:14]
Joel Klatt
Trying to get stuff done.
- [33:16]
Julian McCullough
Now it's all of the incompetence and incoherence with none of the ambition. Yes, I believe this is true. I also think they had Jimmy Johnson in the early days. By the way, Bill Parcells and Jimmy Johnson won a lot of games. And so I think Matt Mosley has also said something excellent reporter down in the Dallas area is that there's a real question whether Jerry respects and understands the value of coaching. I think coaching's never been more important because I don't think the game's never been smarter and more sophisticated. And Jerry doesn't appear to value coaching. I mean, honestly, he has hired coaches who need him. Mike McCarthy was on the beach. Jason Garrett was not getting interviews for jobs. Brian Schottenheimer wasn't. And when Matt said that, I was like, man, when you really think about it, Jerry has hired coaches who need Jerry. And so he has that. There was this like, oh, you're getting a solid from Jerry, so you'll listen to Jerry. Bill didn't listen to him and Jimmy got sick of listening to him. And Jerry feels like it's my toy, it's my business. That's why he wants to be gm. So I think there is some of what they're saying that podcast, that is right. But I also think a big part of it is coaching is so valuable today. Players make more, the pressure is greater, owners are more impulsive. Like it's a game of inches to begin with. And I just don't think the Cowboys, I don't think they take coaching. They don't value it like other organizations do.
- [34:54]
Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, look, look who they hired. You know, you come off three great seasons with McCarthy and they, they were one of the better teams in the NFC. I think they had like 10, 11, 12 wins, playoff appearances. And then you go hire Brian Schottenheimer, who's never been a head coach, never done a damn thing. So, yeah, I would largely agree with your take. Final story, Colin, sticking in the NFC east, the commanders, man, listen, this is a dangerous spot. Terry McLaurin has a quad injury and he's seeking second opinions. Colin, the Washington commanders are beat up and without scary Terry, this offense does not look very scary. Jaden Daniels still has his knee injury. Dan Quinn is not really revealing anything other than he's day to day. I know we can't do it again, but you have to bet the Atlanta Falcons. Here come I. I know that sounds insane.
- [35:44]
Julian McCullough
I refuse to.
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Colin Cowherd
I, I kind of do as well. But I think at home they get the job done. Now, I, I'm not getting there, but with this injury report from Washington, there's.
- [35:57]
Julian McCullough
Two things I'm never going to do again. Skydive. I've never done that ever. I'm never going to do it and bet the Atlanta Falcons. I'm done. I. There's only 31 teams every.
- [36:05]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. What if Kirk Cousins takes over at quarterback?
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Julian McCullough
Nope, not interested. I'm not doing it. I this team, I'm not doing it. I won't. You know what? There's 31 other capable bets.
- [36:18]
Colin Cowherd
Well, technically 15, but. Yes, yes, I know what you're saying. Let me ask, did you see they fired a wide receiver coach? Like they're looking for a scapegoat in week three. Let's get rid of this wide receiver coach. Like he does do is doing anything. I mean, bottom line is Michael Penck has looked terrible and he has faced Carolina and Minnesota. He's one of the lowest graded quarterbacks in the league according to many metrics. He's down there with Bo Nicks. That's not what I anticipated from Penck. He showed well at the end of last year, remember?
- [36:48]
Julian McCullough
Yeah, yeah, I take a deep breath on that. I think Bo Nix's schedule gets, gets. I mean, I do see traits with panics that feel elite. I think he throws it. I think he throws a beautiful ball.
- [37:01]
Colin Cowherd
When do we start? Oh, he lost his right tackle and he's a lefty. We, we need another year. When does that start? Or if it hasn't started already.
- [37:08]
Julian McCullough
Yeah, I, I think he's down. I see stuff. J Max with the news.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by.
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Julian McCullough
The herd lie news. The yeah, I was, I was thinking about this today. Jaymac how lucky are we? We got the base. This is the best. Next starting Tuesday is the best month in sports. It's the best five weeks you get. I mean you're going to get baseball playoffs, small market, big market stars. I mean there's the best bullpens, best staffs, best hitters. You're getting unbelievable baseball, college football now all the way in conference play, NFL heating up. Weather cools. Starting Tuesday. It's, it's a five to six week period. Sports is unbelievable. And at the end of that, I think if you're a hockey fan, hockey starts and the NBA starts. Oh, it's unbelievable. I mean, it's the last weekend where you can have a life by by next Tuesday, it's over. Every night is unbelievable. Sports and and coming up, I thought I was optimistic. I don't think I'm pessimistic, but I took out the pocket calendar on Caleb and the Bears. Next Thursday. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. The best B2B marketing gets wasted on the wrong people. So when you want to reach the right professionals, use LinkedIn ads. LinkedIn has grown to a network of over 1 billion professionals and that's where it stands apart from other ad buys. You can target your buyers by job title, industry role, company seniority, skills, company revenue, all the professionals you need to reach in one place. Stop wasting budget on the wrong audience. Start targeting the right professionals only on LinkedIn ads. Spend $250 on your first campaign on LinkedIn ads and get a free $250 credit for the next one. Just go to LinkedIn.com cowherd that's LinkedIn.com cowherd Terms and conditions apply. The Toyota Certified Used Vehicle Sales Event is here. It is packed with great surprises. Choose from a wide selection of low mileage vehicles all backed by Toyota, with warranties that begin on the date of purchase. Because when it comes to quality, the best new cars make the best used cars. Every certified Toyota undergoes a thorough quality assurance inspection before it even reaches the lot so you can drive away with confidence. With over 7 million sold, there's a certified Toyota for every lifestyle, from efficient commuters to family friendly SUVs. Each vehicle comes with added benefits like roadside assistance and features you expect, including Bluetooth connectivity. But hurry. These Great offers end November 3rd. Toyota Certified used Vehicle Sales Event where every surprise is a great one, so don't miss your chance. Find your certified Toyota today. Inventory may vary by dealer, participating dealers only. Comprehensive and powertrain are limited. Warranties CTCUV Warranty supplement Toyota certified.com or your Toyota dealer. For details from date of Toyota Certified Used Vehicle Purchase Program available in continental US and Canada. See TCUV Warranty Supplement for details. A compatible Bluetooth enabled phone must be paired. Phone performances depend on software coverage and carrier. The Bluetooth word mark and logos are registered trademarks of Bluetooth. SIG Inc. Use of such marks by Toyota is Under license. See toyota.com for details. Hey folks, this message brought to you by the one and only official Whiskey of the Herd with Colin Coward Green River Whiskey now here's a story that'll knock your socks off. Picture this. Founded way back in 1885, Green River Whiskey is OG Kentucky Cool, the 10th oldest distillery in the state. And get this, it was so valuable back in the day that 20 barrels of the good stuff were traded for shares in a gold mine. That's liquid gold. Literally. But like any great drama, tragedy struck in 1917 with a fire that almost wiped it off the map. Cue the hero music. It was rebuilt on the same hallowed grounds. Let me tell you, better than ever. So whether you're sipping their single barrel bourbon or a smooth straight rye, know you're raising a glass to history. Folks, here's to Green River Whiskey, where rich flavor meets richer stories. Hop on over to greenriverwhiskey.com, discover a legend in a bottle today. Cheers to that. A product of Green River Distilling Company, Owensboro, Kentucky. Alcohol by volume varies by product. Green RiverWhiskey.com Please drink responsibly.
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Julian McCullough
So I think this Sunday, week four is kind of the last week. You can fool people. I think you kind of know by the end of week four you kind of know what everybody is. Again, you can fool people a lot longer. In college football, the coaching's not as good, the quarterback play is not as dynamic. But in the NFL you'll get exposed really quickly. Dallas now starting to get exposed. I think people are sleeping on Denver. Denver schedule gets really easy. They could reel off a seven game winning streak. They've, they've opened up with and Bonick struggled last year early. So I think there are some truths through the first three weeks. I think by the end of this week, week four, you'll kind of know what everybody is and what they're not. We're already seeing teams like Buffalo can't defend the run. Problem. Rams struggle, probably need a corner. They didn't draft one, they probably should have. They probably need to make a move if they're going to get to the super bowl and win the Super Bowl. So I was saying, like with the Chicago Bears, what are they? Well, I don't think the symmetry between Ben Johnson and Caleb has been as good as I thought it would be. Caleb still is freelancing too much. Their defense has not been great. So I said before the season I thought I was really optimistic saying 9 and 8 because I was giving them a 3 and 3 record in division which they just don't do in the last decade, but now they're one and two. So what. What have I learned? What have I gleaned in the first three games? Well, their offense is so talented. They will beat bad defenses. Dallas is a bad defense. If you start looking around the league, they got four or five teams here. They're probably going to do well at Cincinnati. I can see some W's here. But this morning I went back and I looked at every single game and I revisited my 9, 8 prediction. Here's where I would be on the Chicago Bears. I think they beat Vegas, but it's really close. Lose at Washington, beat the Saints at home, lose at Baltimore, beat Cincinnati, beat the Giants, lose at Minnesota, close game, beat the Steelers at home, lose to Philly and Green Bay on the road, beat Cleveland, low scoring at home, lose to Green Bay and at San Francisco. And Detroit could very well be a playoff team. I could see Detroit. I have predicted the Lions make the playoffs, resting some starters in the final week. I could see that. You know, I don't think Detroit's going to win the division. They'll have to play in the first round. My take is they're a physical team. They'll be a little banged up. They'll protect four or five starters, not everybody. And they'll beat a depleted and resting Lions team. And that record would be 8 and 9. So that's what they would. They would be an 89 football team. Again, I said coming in, I didn't see them as a playoff team. I said, can we get synergy, harmony, chemistry. Can we get that with Ben Johnson and Caleb? So far it looked really good for Dallas for big portions. It looked good for a series in the first two games. So I don't think that's. I don't think that's unrealistic. I think that's where they are right now. It's where they are. They're going to beat weaker defenses and go either way, games at home. But I don't think they can win on the road at Washington, Baltimore, Minnesota, Philly, Green Bay or San Francisco. Now they get Green Bay at home. You know, we'll see. I don't think that's negative. I think I said happiness is directly connected to expectations.
- [46:49]
Colin Cowherd
So, you know, can I ask you something about that? So if you look at that schedule, Colin, that opener against the Vikings was such a swing game. They were dominating for three quarters. If they win that game, I am fairly certain your projection would have been like 11 wins. Because if you could Beat a good Vikings team. Right. We think the Vikings are a contender with that defense. Then maybe some of these other games, like maybe you sweep the Vikings, maybe you don't lose both games to the packers, you know, and there's a world where, I mean, you face Jake Browning that, you know, catch a break there. But I don't know. Are you sure they're losing to Washington?
- [47:24]
Julian McCullough
For sure. Is Washington that good, by the way? If, if we'll say this, if it sounds crazy, but the Ravens defense is so suspect. Yeah, they may. I mean, Baltimore is going to keep you in games because they can't stop the run and they're weak on the back end. That's why I said we played panic or patience. Like if you have a great quarterback like Lamar and Josh Allen, the only way to beat them, if you think it's to keep the quarterback on the sidelines. And so Buffalo's run defense and the Ravens entire defense is trouble. That's why last year Burrow was statistically arguably the best quarterback in the league. Couldn't make the playoffs because he was sitting watching games. And so to me, like, if, like I'm the Rams, let's get the Bear schedule out of there. I'm the Rams, I have Matt Stafford. This is arguably, I think Stafford's going to play this year. They're going to draft a quarterback, sit in behind Stafford for a year. So I got Matt Stafford for probably two years. Who gets banged up. I'm going all in because I, there's a, there's a likelihood that even if I draft a quarterback that works, he'd be two to three years before he's Matt Stafford pre snap. So my take is now. Now with Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, I have a much longer timeline. But my thing is when the only way to beat the Buffaloes in the Baltimores. Now Kansas City is interesting. This is where the Chiefs have a lot going for. Kansas City's defense is great. So when they get Rice and Worthy back, their time of possession will improve some. They won't be as bad on third down. They're not going to be a great running team this year. They're not going to be. So my take on Kansas City is their defense will keep giving Mahomes chances and if Rice and Worthy and Travis Kelsey and big games, that's enough to win playoff games.
- [49:22]
Colin Cowherd
Okay, let me. So let me ask what the Chargers.
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Julian McCullough
And Herbert now are scary because their defense is unbelievable and that's going to give Herbert two to three more possessions, longer drives. Hampton now is Coming into his own as a running back. So the Chargers are interesting. If you don't love an offense, what's the defense look like? If you love an offense, Baltimore, nothing kills a great baseball team like a bad bullpen. Baltimore's defense, you can't win a Super bowl with that defense.
- [49:50]
Colin Cowherd
So let me ask you regarding the Bears. If you're inside the front office polls and everybody you're huddling around the table, guys, Coward says we're going eight and nine. Okay? We know our internal, we know what we've got here. We're not making the playoffs this year. In the nfc, it's stacked. DJ Moore, Roma Dun is emerging. Luther Burden played well against Dallas. Why don't we just move off DJ Moore to a team that like you said, is panicky and needs a receiver?
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Julian McCullough
I think let's try to get a. That's the move. They've got two good tight ends, a capable running back, o line commitment. DJ Moore feels invisible and Roma, Dunz Kamet, Colston, Loveland Burden. And they've got another backup receiver. That's okay. My take is I would, I would consider moving DJ Moore. First of all, you got him on a steal. Remember that. Remember the deal it got. It's Ryan Paul's best move. I would now consider moving him because he also is a veteran player around a lot of young guys. And I, I think DJ Moore looks around the league and think why am I not as productive as some of these guys? I'm way more talent. Not that he'd be a bad locker room guy, but I think DJ Moore wears his emotions sometimes in his body language.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, he's a veteran. He's quality hot takey. If I'm the New York Giants and Day bowl and I see, shucks, man, I'm starting a rookie quarterback and some of the numbers for rookie quarterback starting in their first year, not great. Gee, I'm on the chopping block. You know, let's bring in DJ Moore. Let's just invigorate the offense. We got neighbors, we got more. We got Cam scatter, boo. Let's just, let's go all in. Do you think the Giants are a team that would go after more or do you think they're just saying and we're done, we're good?
- [51:25]
Julian McCullough
No, no, they need, they, they're still in rebuild. They need draft picks. I mean they're left hand.
- [51:29]
Colin Cowherd
What is it good? What good is a draft pick for Brian Dable? He ain't going to be there next year.
- [51:33]
Julian McCullough
Well, I think if you Made that kind of move, you'd probably have to go upstairs and get approval. I. DJ Moore.
- [51:42]
Colin Cowherd
Give me a team. I was going to think the Denver Broncos babe. Bo Nix is on the struggle bus. Let's get him a possession receiver to go opposite Cortland Sutton.
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Julian McCullough
No, they got. No, they have. Mims and Franklin are both good.
- [51:54]
Colin Cowherd
How about Seattle? Look, I mean, I don't know that they do it, but jsn and then there's a huge drop off, huge at wide receiver.
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Julian McCullough
They like that kid out of Colorado State. The fifth round pick, one game. The rookie, he said no, they like him. I, I. Let me. I'll. I'll throw one at you. Kansas City.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, but they got Rice coming back. I think they're gonna.
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Julian McCullough
Yeah, but you can't depend on Rice issues.
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Colin Cowherd
Worthy and Rice.
- [52:14]
Julian McCullough
I, I don't want. I would say DJ Moore. I think DJ More to Kansas City is interesting. And by the way, you're making a trade. The Bears can get DJ Moore to the other conference.
- [52:25]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that makes sense. More sensing.
- [52:26]
Julian McCullough
Okay. And then I think DJ More. I think with Tyreek, you've always got, you know, but you've always got stuff. DJ Moore is kind of a quiet guy.
- [52:33]
Colin Cowherd
Let me give you Buffalo Bills. The wide receiver is not. I mean, Keon Coleman has shown a little bit. Shakir is more of a slot guy. I know they like the two tight ends, but why not?
- [52:43]
Julian McCullough
I think again, if you've got an old quarterback like Aaron Rodgers or Matt Stafford and you think you could be a playoff team, make a move. Or if you have a great quarterback and you're like, yeah, our defense has a hole. I mean, Buffalo, you're only going to get about four more years of Josh Allen at this level. Like, like absolutely devastatingly in his prime. Kansas City's down offensively. Baltimore's defense stinks. If I'm Buffalo, I look at the Ravens defense and the Chiefs offense and say, this is the year. I'm not giving this year up. I'm going making a move. Ravens defense will never be this bad again. And the Chiefs offense will. Won't stink like this. The next time you fly, upgrade your comfort to Emirates premium economy. Sink into soft leather seats with raised leg rests and adjustable headrests. Elevate your dinner plans with delicious regional dining, all served with complimentary premium drinks. Enjoy endless entertainment with up to 6,500 channels, including live sports. There's no other premium economy like it. Fly Emirates fly better. The Toyota certified used vehicle sales event is here. It is packed with great surprises. Choose from a wide selection of low mileage vehicles, all backed by Toyota, with warranties that begin on the date of purchase. Because when it comes to quality, the best new cars make the best used cars. So don't miss your chance. Find your certified Toyota today, but hurry. These Great offers end November 3rd. Toyota Certified used Vehicle Sales event where every surprise is a great one. Inventory may vary by dealer, participating dealers only. Comprehensive and powertrain are limited warranties. See tcuv warranty supplementtoyotacertified.com or your Toyota dealer for details.
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