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Colin Cowherd
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Now, let's get this party started.
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Alexi Lalas
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, let's bring in Albert Breer, and we'll eventually get to the College Football Playoff rankings because he's a. He's a Buckeye, and he knows it very well. Just go. Tomlin to start. What is the internal temperature in Pittsburgh on Tomlin?
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Daniel Jeremiah
You know, I think that there's definitely a little tension in knowing that a reset is coming, and that's natural just based on the age of the players in the roster. I mean, you look at the guys they built around now and the guys that are the highest paid guys there. You're talking about Jalen Ramsey in his 30s, TJ Wat in his 30s, Aaron Rogers in his 40s. Cam Hayward has been there forever. And I actually didn't mind the addition of Aaron Rodgers because it was sort of the last shot for this core of players that's been there for the last five, six, seven years. Like, this was right. This was just ahead of where you would naturally reset. And when you do get to that point, when it is time to reset, that's when you start to ask the big picture questions. That's when the Steelers have to ask, do we want Mike Tomlin leading the rebuild here? So when Mike Tomlin has to ask the question, do I want to go through the sort of rebuild that's going to take two or three years? Because I think that that's probably what the Steelers are looking at now. And I. I don't think. Colin. It's totally dissimilar from the situation in Philadelphia a little over a decade ago where they reached the end with Andy Reid, and if you remember, they had the 2011 Dream Team season that didn't work out, and then the whole thing came apart in 2012. And I think everybody in that building knew at the time the last two months were like Andy Reid walking the Green Mile. Everybody knew it was just time for a divorce. And that didn't mean the Eagles didn't think, lots of thought, less of Andy Reid more than anything else. It was just, this isn't working anymore. And obviously both sides in that divorce have done pretty well for themselves since. The Eagles have been to three Super Bowls and. And one, two, and obviously Andy Reid's won three Super Bowls and been to five. So I think it's that sort of scenario in Pittsburgh right Now and you know, I think that the state of the roster is, is what gives you the natural break point that could come in the next year or two.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, Monday Night Football, Chargers 8 and 4 hosting the Eagles. Hypothetically, Philadelphia loses. Do they make a change at oc? Listen, three game losing streaks in Philadelphia is chaos in, in Carolina, it's business as usual in Philadelphia. WIP radio. I mean, they lose Monday and it's a two point spread. I mean, it's a real game. Could something happen in on the staff? What hap. Something's going to happen.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I mean, it's not impossible. And you're right, like Philadelphia is different. Like I would say it's crazy to start to talk about those things when we're what, like 10 months separated from them winning a Super Bowl. But it happened a couple of years ago there, right? Like they were coming off of a Super Bowl. In 2022, you go into 2023, you've got young coordinators that you really thought you believed in. And Brian Johnson, Shawn Desai. One winds up getting fired in season, the other one gets fired after the season. And in 2024, you've got two new coordinators in Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio. Now you've lost more that isn't working out. And this sort of feels like it could be the same scenario. And again, I think Kevin Patulo is a really good coach, but the temperature there is certainly high. We know the egos that are in that room. Jalen Hurts, A.J. brown, you know, it's just a lot of mouths to feed there. A team that's leveraged to win right now. And you know, it's a high stakes game. The Eagles are playing from year to year based on how they're structured here, again, how that roster is built. And so, you know, again, normally I would say this is crazy, the idea that you could move on from an offensive coordinator in season this close to a Super bowl championship. But you know, I just think based on what we saw two years ago, it's not impossible.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, when the Cowboys traded Micah, I said I love it for Green Bay, but I love it for Dallas. And it was very. I always think it's easy for to pick a winner and a loser in a trade, but these GMs, Jerry Jones, a better GM than people give him credit for. Are you. When you talk to people around the league and you mentioned Jerry the gm, is there an acknowledgment? Jor, you know, Pickens, Quinnan, Kenny Clark, two first rounder Micah trade is there an acknowledgement, maybe Jerry kind of knows what he's doing.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Can I flip this around on you for a second, Colin, Ask you a question? All right. Over the last 20 years, when was the last time talent was an issue in Dallas?
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It really hasn't been, right.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, not really.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I mean, it was before Parcells got there, and Parcells was there from 03 to 06. Parcels rebuilt that roster. And I really feel. I mean, I covered the team day to day. I was in the beat in 07 and 08. I don't remember talent. Doesn't mean they don't have holes, but I don't ever remember talent being an issue. Like, I think from a talent.
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Colin Cowherd
Their guards, their two young guards are stunned. Excellent. They're excellent.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. I mean, they've effectively rebuilt the offensive line. Now their offensive line, outside of the right tackle, Terrence Steele, all four of the other offensive linemen are 24 and younger is Tyler Guyton, Tyler Smith, Tyler Booker, and then. And then. And then Cooper Beebe at center. And yeah, I mean, I think you have to give them credit for what they did here because they told you when they traded Micah, this story isn't over yet. We are. We're retooling a little bit. And I think what happened was. And this goes back to August, I think I said to this t in August was when the conversation about Micah being traded got real because they were trying to resign him. They started to take a bigger picture, look at where they were organizationally and what signing Micah would have done would have been to kind of say, okay, like, we're going forward with what we've already done. That wasn't really working. And so if it was Dak and CD and Micah making whatever the percentage of the cap would be, 50% of the cap, was that going to work, or do you start to reimagine things and rethink things a little bit? And they brought in George Pickens at that point, which that, again, was something that required patience because they didn't draft a receiver. And they traded for Pickens after the draft, you know, and then in this case, it was okay, like, we've got a new defensive coordinator here, here in Matt Eberfluss. Where did he have his greatest success? It was in Indianapolis with dominant defensive tackles, and that was DeForest Buckner and Grover Stewart. And now you see in Dallas, they resign Osia digazua in the offseason. They trade for Kenny Clark. They trade for Ken and Williams, Quin and Williams. In that Raiders game the first game they had Quinn in. They had 11 quarterback hits. Nine of them were from the defensive tackle position.
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Alexi Lalas
Wow.
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Daniel Jeremiah
And so now you're seeing what was a weakness in the team, which is the defense with Micah as part of it. Right.
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Alexi Lalas
Like that was. That looked like it was going to.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Be weakness going into the year. Now that's becoming a, now that's becoming a strength. And the offense looks unstoppable with CD and, and. With CD and, and, and. And Pickens outside and on the offensive line, which lost Zach Martin, by the way, they've got four starters who are 24 and younger. You know, I certainly think you got to give them some credit for the job that they've done. From a personnel standpoint, that looks like a dangerous team going forward. And that's a credit to Jerry Jones, to Stephen Jones, and to Will McLay again, a lot. It took a lot of drama to get here, but that's a really good team and they're playing really, really well and peaking at the right time.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, the. I mean, the Chiefs, if I had to win a game, I'd rather not play the Texans, whose defense right now is just completely lights out, but there is a chance they could run the table. I don't think they will.
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If they don't. Like, I, I thought the last couple years, I mean, I, I would always put it in Andy Reid's wallet. He makes the decision, he'll pull out, I'm retiring card. But I mean, what do you do if you're Kansas City with Mahomes and you don't make the playoffs? Harbaugh and Herbert are going to make the playoffs. Losing their entire O line and Marion Hampton. Denver's got Bo Nix on that rookie contract. You start looking around like, oh, this isn't even the best of the division yet. This was. You were going to still make it. Could you see Kansas City making a big swing on something?
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Daniel Jeremiah
I could. Because like, if you remember, like, the last time it really looked like something was in a massive state of disrepair was after that super bowl loss to Tampa where Mahomes got knocked around and they completely like, blew up their offensive line. And if you remember, I think it was five new starters, right? So they brought in Joe Tunney from New England, they brought in Joanne Taylor from, from Jacksonville.
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Alexi Lalas
They, they.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Brian Donovan Smith and they drafted Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith. So like, they haven't shown fear for blowing things up in the past and trying to retool an area or mult areas of their team on the fly. You know, the Tyreek Hill trade was very bold at the time. So, yeah, I, I, I think if you, if you look at where they are and the one thing that sticks out to me because I don't think the defense is broken, Colin, I, I, it does look like things are hard for them on offense. It looks like it's hard for them to churn out third downs that were routine in the past. It, it, it, it just, it looks like there's more instances where Mahomes either has to run or, or do something like Superman in the passing game for them to look like they have in the past. And Patrick's certainly capable of that. But yeah, I mean, like, it's one of those things where as long as you have Mahomes, it's incumbent on you to build aggressively and be aggressive in the way you're putting your operation together. And if things continue the way that they've gone to this point, I certainly think you have to look at a bunch of different things, especially on offense, to try to turn the tide because it does feel like, for whatever it's worth, like the age of Kelsey and then the state of the receiver position, like they just look stuck in the mud a little bit. And maybe that resolves itself, you know, because there's been a vision here over the last, you know, couple years in the way they built, which is worthy on one side, Hollywood Brown on the other, taking the top off the defense and then Rice and Kelsey running in free space underneath. For one reason or another, it just hasn't come together the way they envisioned it. And so, you know, I certainly think if things keep going the way that they have gone, that you would take a look at in the off season and say, what do we need to be, what do we need to do different?
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Colin Cowherd
Finally, you and I can complain about the College Football Playoff, but it is signing day USC as the number one class and I'm not sure if you noticed did flip an Ohio State receiver. Let's not get into it. Let's talk about this. Ohio State is really, really good. Julian saying, I was texting pro people this past weekend. Presence, feet, accuracy, release. That kid is. He's a guidebook on young quarterbacks. But let me ask you.
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Michigan wasn't a threat. Is there a way to beat this Ohio State, State team? You've seen every snap. I think apathy, I think this is the last game. I think this game because of apathy off Michigan and looking ahead, that would worry me and the Georgia game if they could give Julian Sands some heat, some pressure, he's young, he makes a mistake or two. When you look at Ohio State, is there any way to beat them because Michigan wasn't the team.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Well, I just want to show you a picture from last year if you remember. This might be the one year anniversary of you showing me this picture which was me in the stands. It's hard to see. It's hard to see. We'll see if we can. But it was me in the stands and you guys put it up like one of your Fox guys might have been Brady Quinn himself took that picture of me looking miserable in the stands And Brian Day is 160 since, since you guys. So yeah, I do have some level of trust in what's going on there in Columbus. I would say this. I think, I think the thing that people are going to focus on the skill players, right? Like people are going to focus on Jeremiah and Carnell and rightfully so. Like Bo Jackson is a freshman running back. Max Claire, tight end. Like yeah, there's an embarrassment of weapons and riches on the offensive side of the ball. I, I think the defense is better than the offense and so do I. Yeah. And, and, and, and I think Matt Patricia can go to Ryan Day and legitimately say on a week to week basis, no matter who they're playing, get me 17 points and we're fine. And as long as like there isn't a touchdown scored on special teams or the other team's defense doesn't score a touchdown, they can, they can produce that sort of result. The other thing is they're very fresh legged and that's that. Was that last year too where they took this strategy of being the slowest playing offense in college football. I, I think I read somewhere that they've played two games worth fewer snaps than Texas Tech. Right. Because of the way that they operate, the way that they play, the way that they plan for this and you saw what fresh legs did for them in the playoffs last year. It's allowed them to manage injuries. The guys like Tate and Jeremiah.
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I'm pretty confident going in the team that scares me the most actually this might surprise you. Oregon, that's the team that I think when I watch them I just sense they have this other gear that doesn't always come out but when it comes out I think Oregon's got a chance to be pretty scary.
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Colin Cowherd
Well also, also they've been without their, their injury situation at receivers. Absurd. They've been winning games at Iowa. They've been winning games on their fourth, fifth and sixth receivers. So if they get help, those are NFL guys. So that's an interesting point. We haven't seen the best of Oregon. Ohio State's the best every weekend. All right, buddy, it's great seeing you.
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Alexi Lalas
All right.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Thanks, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I like Ohio State to beat Indiana. I think it's a good game. I want to see Mendoza against this defense. That's what, that's why I'm watching the game, because it doesn't mean anything. They're both going to get into the tournament. You know, I, I Ohio State's got more Sunday players. I'll take them. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from the Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio. And in addition to hearing us live weeknights from 7 to 10pm Eastern on Fox Sports Radio, we are excited to announce brand new YouTube channel for the show.
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Daniel Jeremiah
That's right, you can now watch the.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, what's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here and I'm Bucky Brooks. If you love breaking down football from every angle, you're in the right place. Every week on Move the six, Bucky Brooks and I die. Dive deep into the game, from the X's and O's to the front office moves shaping the league. We kick things off with Brian Baldinger breaking down what really went down on Sunday. It is as good a timing, rhythm.
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Daniel Jeremiah
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Colin Cowherd
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Alexi Lalas
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Well, you know JMac and I can't wait. June 11th FOX FS1 the FIFA World Cup. The draw is Friday. Alexi Lawless going to be joining us in about 20min minutes. First though, J. Mack with the news.
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Daniel Jeremiah
This is the Herd line news.
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Yes, very Very excited for the draw. Let's go to the NFL here. The Dallas Cowboys are a threat. Colin, it's official and I'm gonna make the prediction right now. If they beat the Lions, they're gonna run the table and make the playoffs. The Lions game is a huge swing game. Remember they started three five and one, they're now six five and one. Dak says they got to continue to stack W's.
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Daniel Jeremiah
It's about us really just controlling what we control, winning the games in front of us. And right now I don't think we're.
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Colin Cowherd
In a position where we truly got.
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Daniel Jeremiah
You know, count wins and losses from other teams.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Handle our business, we'll put ourselves in a great spot.
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Grainger Announcer
Here we go. Lions followed by the Vikings. They will be favored. Chargers could be a dicey game. We'll see. Commanders. They will be favored. I don't even care if Jaden Daniels is back. And then the Giants, who are not a good football team. Now three of those are on the road, two of them outdoors. It's possible that Washington and the Giants and weather's crappy and they can't throw the ball. But Colin, this smells like a 5 and O to me, doesn't it?
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Colin Cowherd
No, I keep your eye. The Chargers are getting Chargers. Defense is great. Now they've got a run game that's working. I'd keep your eye on that, but I do think, I think three of those feel like W's. Detroit, they're a dog. I like them against Detroit, but I think Detroit and the Chargers. Keep your eye on. I mean, Detroit is getting to a point. Detroit's desperate. And by the way, we're surprised Dallas is this good. People were picking Detroit to make the Super Bowl. So I think there's a Not here.
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Colin Cowherd
No, we didn't. But that's for the record, one of the best games ever on Thursday. That is a great Thursday game.
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Grainger Announcer
And indoors. So no inclement weather. It should be. Should be a banger. I'm with you. I'm on the Cowboys there. All right, let's move on to the next story. And that is a bit of a surprise. The Cleveland Browns announced today that Deshaun Watson was designated to return to practice. He has 21 days to prove he's healthy enough to be activated. If he passes, he can join him at any point. If not, he'll be placed on season ending ir. In the meantime, Shedeur Sanders will get the start. Dylan Gabriel the backup. Here's Shador talking About how he can improve his game.
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Colin Cowherd
Sometimes I look for the big play.
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Alexi Lalas
You know, and I do that when.
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Colin Cowherd
I feel like I'm pressing. Like I feel like we don't have. No.
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Alexi Lalas
When I feel like we need to.
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Colin Cowherd
Get a spark, we need to get an energy. That. That's, you know, typically when.
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Alexi Lalas
When I do that whenever we. Stagnant, you know, so that's something I review with myself.
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Colin Cowherd
And I know I. In those situations, I can't.
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Alexi Lalas
I can't do that. You know, at certain times, that's exactly.
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Grainger Announcer
What the defensive coordinators want. We don't think you're patient enough.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Grainger Announcer
To matriculate down the field. Go for the big play. Go for it, you know, chuck it into too deep. And.
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Daniel Jeremiah
And.
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Grainger Announcer
And I don't know if you saw the clip of. Jerry Judy was kind of getting on his case on the sideline. Jerry Judy and Shador, I don't want to say they had words, but Jerry's like, I was open. You've got to make that throw. And again, it plagued Shador a little bit, but holding the ball. He's getting time to throw. He's just afraid to make mistakes. This is obviously stuff for a young quarterback. I don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, desean, I like Cleveland this weekend. I don't like betting on bad teams. I like Cleveland this weekend.
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Grainger Announcer
They're at home against the Tennessee Titans. Miles Garrett may have eight sacks. I don't know, but this Deshaun Watson thing's interesting. I thought the franchise was done with them.
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Colin Cowherd
Same, but I, you know, we'll see.
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Grainger Announcer
Final story Con. Let's go to your guy. This is your guy, Aaron Rodgers. You know, he's prickly after the Bills loss, saying that some of the receivers did not attend film sessions. Well, Mike Tomlin was asked about the team swoon and said, I'm willing to do whatever we need to do to improve the team. It feels like things are falling apart here. Usually Raven Steelers, you just automatically put the spread at three. Look at that, number six. I mean, Pittsburgh cannot stop the run against Buffalo.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm sorry. I like Pittsburgh. That is a ridiculous. Oh, it's a ridiculous number for that. Baltimore's offense is stuck.
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Six points in this rivalry.
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Grainger Announcer
You know how to get unstuck, right? Face the Steelers. They gave up 249 yards to the Bills. On the ground now you face Lamar and Derrick Henry. And, oh, by the way, this is fun. So Lamar's been skipping the Wednesday practice a lot lately. It's Wednesday. He's at practice today. Taken snaps. This is a big one for the Ravens. They clearly were not locked in against the Bengals.
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Colin Cowherd
You're taking the Ravens minus six and the packers minus six and a half.
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Grainger Announcer
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Colin Cowherd
They're cooked, buddy.
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Grainger Announcer
It's over.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. By the way, the Ravens put up 14 points against the Bengals defense.
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Grainger Announcer
Now listen, Isaiah likely fumbles at the goal line. Lamar hands them a touchdown drop, dropping the ball, hits three.
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Colin Cowherd
A little wonky.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Okay, J. Mack with a new well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the most excited I've ever been for a World cup by far. I mean, it's going to be here, Canada, some matches in Mexico. It's June. It's around the corner. Alexi Lawless. The draw is Friday.
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Controversy with our United States men's national team. He's next.
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Colin Cowherd
Night Football is on and it's only on Prime Video. This week the Dallas Cowboys take on the Detroit Lions in a new rivalry with lots of heat. Coverage begins at 7pm Eastern with football's best party TNF tonight presented by Verizon.
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Alexi Lalas
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All right, the World cup draw is Friday. You can watch it on Fox.
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It's different when it's on our soil. Totally different. Well, he's a soccer hall of Famer, national soccer hall of Famer, made two World cup appearances. He's our friend Alexi Lawless, Fox Sports. He is joining us June 11th. All right, let's start with this. The State of the United States Men's National Team what is the state of the team, Alexi, today?
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Alexi Lalas
I think we could accurately and fairly describe it as in flux in that all of the positives relative to a home World cup are there. The magic that seems to appear, the Brigadoonish type of environment that a home World cup is, I think gives us cause for being bullish. However, there certainly have been some, you know, some problems and some hiccups along the way. New coach Mauricio Pochettino, I think is in a better place than he was even a few months ago. Yeah, but you know, there is this, there's this opportunity that's barreling down the tracks at us both on and off the field, by the way. And you do hope that this team gets it together. But I think it's going to be in a very different way. And I think they're going to be some surprises both in the personnel and ultimately in the results next summer from a US Perspective. But I still remain heavily excited and cautiously optimistic.
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Colin Cowherd
What concerns you most about the personnel? Because I think we both agree this is an aggressive, talented foot on ball. We are good in space, we're athletic. I think, I think we believe we can go toe to toe with most teams and we don't have to play defensive soccer. We can be aggressive. I didn't always feel that way.
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But what worries you about personnel? What are we lacking?
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Alexi Lalas
Okay, let's start with the goalkeeper. We have Matt Freeze, who I think is a good goalkeeper, potentially could be a great goalkeeper, but I have yet to see him make the saves that he shouldn't make. Goalkeepers need to make the saves obviously that they need to make and they should make. But the great goalkeepers, and let's be honest, from a US men's perspective, we actually have produced some really, really elite goalkeeping over the years. So that's, that's one. One of my concerns doesn't mean he can't step it up. And I think he is the number one goalkeeper right now. So I think he is going to be your starter, by the way. And I haven't looked this up potentially if he starts for the world, the US team in the World cup, the first Harvard man to play in a World Cup. So that's going to be interesting. So that's in the back. Scoring is over. The last couple of cycles has been a concern. Flo Baligan right now I think is the incumbent. But a consistent scorer has yet to crop up and certainly a world class striker relative to, you know, the the people that we always talk about has not cropped up yet.
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Colin Cowherd
Now Pulisic is top three, I believe, scoring right now overseas in his league. So I. I think we're as good as Pulisic's health. I think if he's healthy and there's just certain players in my life, Landon Donovan, Dempsey, Pulisic, I feel like they're a bit of the soul, the fabric, and so I feel like if he's healthy, we're good. What is his current relationship with this new coach? Because it was a little froth. It was a little frosty two months ago.
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Alexi Lalas
Yeah, I think it's good. I think it's positive. I also think. But, you know, it's a definite change, and the dynamic has changed. Actually. I actually just flew down from New York and Coach Pochettino was on my flight. You know, all that is to say is that I think Pochettino has come in and recognized that while it worked before with Greg Burhalter, keep in mind that he was a coach of a lot of young players, some teenagers. And, yeah, whether it's Christian Pulisic or anybody else, they are very, very different men now than they were even a few years ago. And almost you needed somebody different to come in with a different type of message and a ruthlessness in the way that he has approached the coaching perspective. Christian Pulisic, I still think, is heading towards being the best male American soccer player in history. You could certainly argue he's the best player in Syria right now. And to your point, you guys talk about stars all the time. You know, as goes Christian Pulisic, I do think goes this team because he can do things that others can't, but he's never going to be the leader that people expect or want him to be. He is a reluctant star, but that's fine. He can do all of his talking with what he does on the field. Because to your point, there's not a lot of people that do that on a consistent basis like he does.
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Colin Cowherd
Mauricio Pochettino came over. He had had some success with. With the younger teams. I think it's unfair. I think the way our soccer works in this country, the. The national team, it's harder to galvanize. You have. So the downside to our quality of player is they're all playing overseas. And you were a rare guy to go over to an Italian league. You. You were. I mean, I think you're the first guy ever to go play in that league in Italy. You were the first. Well, now we Got guys not only going overseas, they're high end players making a lot of money. I think it's much harder to galvanize our national team. Where are you with Mauricio? He feels a little bit like a hardliner, and our young guys aren't quite used to it. But I do, I do see his messaging. I do feel he's on the right. It's the right path. Do you?
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Alexi Lalas
Yeah, I mean, suck it up, buttercup. Yeah. There's a new sheriff in town and he doesn't take any. You know what? I think that's a good thing for this team. I'm so glad that you brought up the relationship and the dynamic between American players and the national team. And this isn't me, grumpy old manning the situation. It's just the reality of the situation is back in my day when I was running around, when Kobe Jones were running around, we needed the national team. We needed the national team to establish, I guess what the kids would now call a brand. We also needed it to give it. Give us opportunities from a club perspective. And that's not the case anymore. That's a good thing that our players are playing. But what I think Mauricio Pochettino has identified is that you need to recognize that even though you don't need the national team, you. You need to want to be on the national team for more than money, for more than fame, for the pride and the honor that comes with representing what I feel is the greatest country in the world. And I do think that he has instilled that and he has lamented that maybe that generation, to your point, doesn't look at the national team as a must have.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Alexi Lalas
What.
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Colin Cowherd
When the draw happens Friday.
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Best case scenario. Let's start with best case scenario. What to you would be. Oh, that's where they should play, and that's who they should play. What would be the best case scenario in a draw?
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Alexi Lalas
I mean, so you. You can go through teams and say, for example, all right, you got to have a. You have to have a European team. So, you know, maybe you got an Austria and a South. South Africa and a New Zealand or something like that. But that's. That's all on paper. I will say this. You know, you could get a group like let's say Colombia, Norway and Ghana. Okay. And I think a lot of people would look at that as, oh, my goodness, this is a big problem. What we have found historically is the US Men's team, they play up to the opponent. Now, look, I want as easy A path as anybody. But I also don't want to get complacent if and when we get a good group. And I think we're going to get a good group. So there's, there's almost a part of me that wants it to be not really, really hard, but not completely easy because I, I worry about them being. And taking their foot off the pedal.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, listen, in 2022, we were the second youngest team. We got a draw with England. We were outclassed by the Netherlands, but we got a draw with England. I was overjoyed we got out of the group stage. What is a realistic. So pulisics there. Our young players, Weston McKinney are healthy. What is a realistic World cup through the eyes, the prism of an American.
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Alexi Lalas
All right, look, if we don't get out of the group, it's a abject failure. I mean, it is a national disaster and an embarrassment if you don't get out of the group. Because by the way, top two teams as normal come out of the groups of four, but also best third place teams. So we, we should absolutely get out of the group. Not only that, I think we, no matter who those balls are that come out on Friday in the draw, I think that we should go in expecting to be number one and, and win, win our group. Now, what is a successful World Cup? And not just a World Cup, a home World Cup. Look, like, you know, I've told you before, it's kind of like, you know, the Supreme Court trying to, you know, to define obscenity. Right? I don't, I can't tell you what it is, but I know it when I see it, right? We will know it when we see it on the field because it'll, it'll, it'll make you feel good about yourself. It'll make you feel good about your country and the way that they are playing that goes beyond the actual scores. And yes, winning is important, don't get me wrong. But you know, if you lose because of a fluke call or a penalty here, and you played, you played really, really well against a team that a lot of people maybe feel is older, we actually should get past the round of 32 and back to the round of 16. And that's usually where we falter, where we're coming up against a team that's better than us. And that's where the magic has to happen. That's where Mauricio Pochettino, who's being paid $6 million, that's where he earns his money to do Things that we haven't done before.
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Colin Cowherd
Finally, we haven't had a repeat World cup champ since it was Brazil. Late 50s, 62, 58, 62. Messi and Argentina, your thoughts and can they repeat?
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Alexi Lalas
I think they can repeat. And it's interesting that Messi continues to play at the top of his game. By the way, MLS cup this weekend with Inter, Miami and Vancouver, and Messi is the MVP and looking to get his first MLS Cup. But it's really going to be interesting next summer as Messi and his Argentina team defend their championship, their. Their World Cup. Oh, by the way, in his new home and backyard and neighborhood of the. Of the United States. I think people are gunning for them. Lake, you mentioned it's very, very difficult to maintain multiple cycles and win World Cups. Keep in mind that since the dawn of the World cup, only eight countries have ever won the World Cup. So it's difficult in and of itself, let alone to, to repeat. And there will be people that are licking their chops, not the least of which is teams like. Teams like Spain, teams like France, and even though it pains me to say it, a team like England.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, that looks like a junior suite. Did Fox take care of you in that room?
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Alexi Lalas
That's okay. I mean, I got myself a coffee maker here and, you know, I made that. I made the bed up. You know, everybody does these things from hotel rooms and, you know, you got to be careful what you have hanging around back here. But it's very, very nice. It's clean and it's. And it's going to be fun.
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Colin Cowherd
Good seeing you, my friend.
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Alexi Lalas
Great to see you. You look great. All right. And I love the fact that you're so excited. I hope everybody tunes in this Friday, 11:30, 11:30am Eastern time on Fox. Three and a half hours of draw. And it's not just the picking of the balls and selecting the teams. There's something for everybody. Even the Village People are going to play. So come on in.
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Colin Cowherd
There you go. There you go. Takes a Village People. Alexi Lawless is always your money. You know, I kind of feel like. Thank you, Alexi. I feel like it's a transition is that for the first time in my life, we have a high number of players that play overseas. And it used to be like, like, like the World cup defined us. Well, now players are, you know, it's like, you look at international basketball players, they can have success, but they're defined by how they do in the States. Like, that's where they make their money, right? So an international basketball Luca can be a big deal in Europe, but it's defined by does he go to the best place in the world a basketball and crush and the best place in the world for soccer, it's over in Europe. And so our guys, you know, it's not that they don't want to perform for the United States men's national team, but we've gotten so good that you know we have players, top players going over there and they're leading scores and they're first or second best player on squad. So it's a transition period for us. I think this is going to be a fascinating World Cup. Canada, Mexico and here in the States. Cannot wait. Absolutely cannot wait.
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