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Colin Cowherd
And with that Urban Meyer record setting, big noon ratings, things are going well in college football. You know, it's funny. Urban nil transfer portal, college football playoffs, everybody freaked out. It's going to hurt college football and we keep breaking records. I thought the weekend was amazing. And one thing that jumped out to me with Arch Manning, I mean, listen, inexperienced Buckeyes are great. It's in Columbus. But Urban, you've been coaching quarterbacks forever. It didn't look as much jitters, it was mechanics. It was arm slot. I thought it was jarring to look at. I thought he was a bit overwhelmed. When you watched it, did you think it was more Matt Patricia environment, Buckeye secondary, like, what went wrong? What gave Arch, in your opinion, the most trouble?
Greg Cosell
Well, the reality is that the quarterbacks get far too much credit and far too much blame. There, there weren't people open. Colin, the Matt Patricia and the Buckeye defense. I don't want to say I was shocked because they lost five or six players and a coordinator and they look phenomenal. But I went back Colin and I watched every snap of Arch Manning and I keep hearing about, you know, potential first pick in the NFL draft, Heisman Trophy. And I keep saying, stop this. That, that's not fair to this guy. This guy, if you put any other name on the jersey, let him grow as a player, he'll be a much different player in four to five weeks. He, he wasn't ready for that. But either was Julian saying, you can't be ready for that. You know, someone said, well, he started to get. I said, no, he didn't. This is his first start. When you're playing Mississippi State, that was not very good last year in another team that those don't count as you're starting in a horseshoe in front of, you know, millions of people on tv. So he'll be fine. I was a little disappointed with the offensive skill of Texas. I didn't see guys open. I didn't see the explosiveness you expect out of. So, so there's a couple common denominators of a great quarterback and they all say it. They got great players around them. And maybe there are. I didn't see that. I did. And maybe, you know, once again, we're going to find out more in the next few weeks. Really not the next few weeks. In about four or five weeks when they get in the sec because they both got. Ohio State and Texas have soft schedules for, for a minute. But the, the common denominator is the great explosive Player around Arch.
Colin Cowherd
I didn't see that, you know, Sark said after the game. And, and I was told this recently that in the college football, as a defensive coordinator, stop the run and you, if you do, you're going to win a lot of games in the NFL as a defensive coordinator, you better stop the pass because almost every team's got a guy that can sling it. So Matt Patricia has been dealing with the best quarterbacks in the world. Now he goes to college with. When you looked at every snap, Sark said it was elite. Did he disguise his coverages? What did you see about Matt Patricia's defense that could be problematic for. For a young quarterback?
Greg Cosell
I see multiple positions. So you see like a Caleb Downs that can play will linebacker, he can play deep half in a safety. And then they did a bunch of what you call simulated pressure. And the simulated pressure is when they bring a linebacker or a secondary player yet play zone behind it. Arch Manning has been training as a quarterback, I imagine, since he could say hello because of the Manning family. And normally when you get a five to six man pressure, there's going to be man coverage behind it or there's going to be voided zones. Ohio State did a brilliant job of bringing pressure, but there were no. There was actually seven people in coverage. So it looked like pressure, it smelled like pressure, it was pressure, but it wasn't in coverage. They were dropping people underneath. That were twice I caught and like I said, I went back and watched every snap over and over again. Arch got caught on one side of the formation thinking that it was a fire zone or a fire zone or even a man coverage. And it wasn't. It was too deep and he got caught and he got sacked. So I thought he did a great job. Matt Patricia.
Colin Cowherd
So I was shocked because I think Kaylin DeBoer is an excellent coach. But I said that this week. I said the SEC is. I mean, you acknowledge you had health issues. It's just tough. The intensity, the criticism, the recruiting wars that aren't always. For years and years on the up and up. It can eat up really good coaches. And I think Calen DeBoer is a great coach. But something didn't look right. Urban, they couldn't run that. The effort. Something didn't look right with Bama. Can you explain it?
Greg Cosell
Yeah. Caitlin Moore has been great to me. I think his record speaks for himself. But he's, you know, he's in it now and I watch closely. You know, Mark Ingram's on our show and we talk about it all the time when the word not running to the ball, not giving great effort comes out of your mouth and you say the word Alabama after that, that doesn't compute. You know, that hasn't happened in a long time. And, and I, I'm worried about Alabama right now. You know, I saw things that are signs that there's something either in a locker room, there's something, you know, I made this comment on, on Big Noon. I believe that he better have some grown ass men in that locker room. Ryan Day, when they lost to the Wolverines last year, they flipped it around. You know why? And everybody gives the coaches credit. I get it. But in that locker room were some grown ass men that weren't going to put up with that. And I don't know Alabama well enough and I challenge Mark Ingram with this, you know who's in that locker room because a coach is a coach. I get it. But at some point those veteran and I use the term grown ass men better show up in that locker room and get that right. Coaches can't get that right. Coaches do the best they can, but the players play.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, listen, I, college coach and pro coaches, they're really different. And a lot of it is just this is that, you know, a lot of NFL coaches, Andy Reid doesn't have to draft. He can work play design. He doesn't have to worry about the cap. He doesn't have to about, you know, play design, culture, play calling. Sometimes some coaches don't do that at the college level. You are, you are responsible for personnel and I don't think there's a lot of great coaches who are great at personnel. You were. Nick Saban was darn good. I think I would say Jimmy Johnson was really good. I think Sean Payton's got a feel for it. I think Jim Harbaugh's got a little bit of a feel for it. But I watched Belichick and my take is, okay, it's one thing to lose, but his last several New England drafts weren't good. I didn't see the pot players. I didn't see it. Were you surprised on just the lack of anything after the first drive? I mean there wasn't a lot of offensive symmetry. There wasn't a lot of special players. Were you just surprised at what you watched?
Greg Cosell
I think surprise is probably too light of a word.
Colin Cowherd
Colin.
Greg Cosell
I was shocked. You know, I was because I'm friends with coach Belichick. The most respect for him you can have. I, I used to visit the Patriots and go watch him. So there's no better coach I've ever been around that Bill Belichick, and he would gracious enough come down, speak to our teams and our staff and. But I turned on that and I, I couldn't. I don't know. I. He's up against it, you know, I don't, I'm not sure he's. I know he had some early in his career, Cleveland, which I really didn't study that, but maybe the last few years in New England had some issues too. But I can't imagine when he stands in a team meeting and you're dealing with 17, 18, 19 year olds that are now being told, you know, should I leave, should I stay? I can only imagine the nonsense going on in that locker room right now. So surprise is not a strong enough word when I, you know, and once again, all credit to tcu, but they're going to have some tougher roads, the tougher games down the road. Now, TCU is great, but there's also. You got Clemson and Miami and some other ones coming down the road that are really good.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, let's wrap it up with this. I don't want to go too crazy. And I know he was a great high school quarterback, but Bryce Underwood at Michigan Urban. I mean, I could have said he's great. I. That kid that is different looking, what do you make of his talent?
Greg Cosell
I use the term about four minutes ago about grown ass man, and I was shot. And I mean, again, surprise is not the right word because I went back and watched every snap and my God, I mean, that's a junior in college and he's really not. And his, his, his physical presence is Cam Newtonish. His size, his athleticism is wow. I mean, spectacular. And I know once again, they're not playing a top 10 team yet, and they will coming down the road here. But that day one, he might be that guy that walks on campus. Like when I had Percy Harvin, you're just like, that's a, that's an absolute freak. You know, get him ready to play as fast as you can. Because that, and I've heard that about him. I just. Now that you saw it in person, that's legit.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, it just jumped off wherever you watch that game. It was like magic. I mean, that is a whip. He's got a big arm, he moves. His accuracy, doesn't dip when he moves. And Michigan, by the way, does not have great receivers. He's not throwing to Ohio State. Guys, this is a pretty average receiving core. Look at that.
Greg Cosell
Yeah, he's almost like a Roethlisberger too, as far as, I mean, guys are hanging on him. You know, he's a big cat now.
Colin Cowherd
Urban. Great talking to you as always.
Greg Cosell
Yeah, great to talk to Colin.
Colin Cowherd
All right. Yeah, I know everybody thinks I'm getting a little hyper on that. And I said yesterday, Ohio State, I think is going to control this conference. I like and I like Oklahoma to beat him, all the juniors and seniors. It's in Norman. I like Oklahoma, but man, there are sometimes you watch athletes and you're just like, what is that? What is going on? All right, we got Julian Edelman around the corner. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, it's Ben, host of the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. Would mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. If you're asking what in God's name is the fifth Hour?
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Hey, this is Matt Jones, I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining and twice a week that is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little Bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Looks like something that should not be sold. Oh, my. So that was my other big Colts takeaway. They sold that?
Greg Cosell
Yes.
Matt Jones
Might want to go back at the Colts stadium.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I might want to go back.
Matt Jones
To the drawing board on that. Yeah. I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well.
Colin Cowherd
It's worked for generations.
Matt Jones
We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry. I, I wouldn't fight him. I would listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
Colin Cowherd
I just saw. Do you have the Amari Cooper news in. Did you see that? No. I'm five time Pro Bowler. Amari Cooper just retired from. From the Raiders, leaving them with four receivers. Jacobe Myers and three guys that I wouldn't recognize if they walked in the studio.
Greg Cosell
So.
Colin Cowherd
So New England. Interesting. It. It's. Well, they have Brock Bowers. I like Jacoby Myers. I think he's a more of a two, but he's a good player. I, I was surprised Belichick let him go. I, I like.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
So Amari Cooper's young, isn't he? Like 31.
Colin Cowherd
10,000 receiving yards plus five Pro Bowls. He was always a very quiet guy. Like I always felt he. That taking care of business, put his money away, had other things beyond, you know, he never sought attention even in Dallas. Just a grownup. Just an adult. Yeah.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
31 years old. Jeez, that's good. Retired at 31 mark.
Colin Cowherd
Did well for himself. Excellent wide receiver, no drama.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
Five time Pro Bowler. A good receiver, Had a good career.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. JMAC with the news.
Matt Jones
No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
From one quiet, cool wide receiver to a combative one. Tyreek Hill. A lot of drama with the Dolphins this offseason. Did you notice Tyreek was not voted a captain by his teammates?
Colin Cowherd
Saw that.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
It says it won't change his ability to be a leader for the Dolphins.
Colin Cowherd
At the end of the day, I.
Josh McDaniels
Feel like it's about the team and.
Colin Cowherd
I don't need a title to be able to leave.
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Matt Jones
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Colin Cowherd
Guys are pushing in the locker room. And I'm all. And I've always been a guy that. That led by that led by example. So captain thing is great, but like.
Josh McDaniels
I say, I'm gonna continue to do the small thing.
Colin Cowherd
He's not a leader. He's a talent. And there's a big difference. I always said a Rod's a great baseball talent. Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada felt like leaders, and that's not a knock. I think Aaron Rodgers is a great talent. Do I think he's the best leader? You know, Tyreek's a remarkable wide receiver, but I'm not depending on him for anything other than that, and that's fine. Yeah, he.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
I'm on the. Of the belief he will not last the full season of Miami. I think in the deadline, somebody who's like, maybe a fringe super bowl contender says, let's make a push. Let's go get Tyreek Hill to try to put us over the top. He's still got some juice. I just. Can you control a personality like that who's very strong, you know, if in.
Colin Cowherd
The history of the league, I mean, Larry Fitzgerald's an outlier where you're. You. You're the rock of your franchise. The dependable, mature rock of the franchise is a wide receiver. It is a very, you know, it's the first guy to break the huddle. It is a little bit of the NBA player on a football field. You kind of work alone up the sideline. Those sideline receivers, they come, they want the ball, and, you know, I just. I think that's a fairly reasonable prediction that I could see at the trade deadline. If Miami loses to the Colts this weekend and they're, you know, they're under.500, I could see them saying, we need draft picks. This is a reboot year.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
I'll. He's not Antonio Brown, but Tom Brady recruited Antonio Brown to the Bucks. They win the super bowl, and then the next year, I think they were massive implosion. So we'll see what Tyreek. Next up to college football. Colin, where Bill Belichick is coming off, you know, kind of an embarrassing loss in his debut.
Colin Cowherd
Kind of.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
We know Belichick had a big falling out with Kraft before taking the job. Well, how about this one? According to your buddy John Middelkoff, Bill Belichick has reportedly banned Patriots scouts from North Carolina practices.
Colin Cowherd
So Petty.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
That's petty. Belichick has not addressed this yet. However, that's not a good look for Belichick. If you're banning Patriot scouts just because of Your like you, you're hurting your players from getting looked at.
Colin Cowherd
I just think there's such a reservoir of distrust and dislike between Kraft and Belichick. And I think that documentary that I watched, was it this summer or was it last year? The documentary that was very pro Kraft anti Bill. Yeah, I know a lot of Patriot fans, but we have to be fair here is that Bill's got some real debits when Tom Brady's not part of his universe. Cleveland pre Tom starting in New England. Tom leaving in New England, that thing.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
Okay, so does this ding Belichick's legacy?
Colin Cowherd
I said yesterday, I don't think Michael Jordan in Washington or, you know, Joe Namath end of his career. I don't think players. If you're great, you're great. Same with actors. Marlon Brando has three or four bombs. He's still Marlon Brando. I think artists can have bad albums and actors can have duds and. And I think players can Patrick Ewing wearing, you know, some Orlando Magic jersey or Raptors jersey, whatever it was, that doesn't ding your legacy. But when you just take one human Tom Brady out of Belichick's career, he's a great defensive mind where the wins as a head coach. I don't see it.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
Maybe we can ask our next guest when he shows up. Final story. Colin, how about this one? Now this. We haven't talked to a lot of wnba. Caitlin Clark's been hurt forever, but Angel Reese came out in an interview. Remember, she's in her second year in the WNBA and this is what she said. I'd like to be here, meaning in Chicago, for my career, but if things don't pan out, obviously I might have to move in a different direction and do what's best for me. She later apologized, saying the language was taken out of context. But Colin, the damage has been done. There are reports stemming in Chicago that the locker room may not be repairable after Reese essentially. Basically saying my teammates aren't good enough. We need better players. Listen, we've heard a lot.
Colin Cowherd
She is a good player. Not a great offensive player, but hey.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
If she's so good, why aren't they better? Well, she's a solid young player in the league.
Colin Cowherd
How many games? You know, it's interesting for all the, you know, there's, there's, there's a. There's a unit or a portion of the media that is very pro WNBA to a fault. And then there's those of us that are realistic. How many times have you watched WNBA games since Caitlin Clark? Got hurt. Now think about this. It led our show last summer a bunch. Oh, I talked. I think I led with it six times. I led with the wnba and I don't either way. I talk about what I think is interesting. You notice I didn't talk about it this year. It's not because I suddenly disliked the league. I thought it was growing. Anybody that wants to argue this, you're off your rocker. Caitlin Clark is the league. I. I don't know what the ratings are. I haven't read them, but I know I. Last year with Caitlin Clark, I was. I mean, I. I would. If the game was on, I would drive home making a point. And when's that game on?
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
I would watch it on my phone. Yes, you could listen. Not watch. I'm driving, but you could listen to.
Colin Cowherd
It in the car.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
And that's just not happening. Now. I'm tracking the sparks a little bit out here. LA Sparks are kind of trying to.
Colin Cowherd
I mean, Angel Reese a good player, but this idea. And I think she is valuable as a counter punch as a bit of a college and pro rival to Caitlin Clark. But it. For all the people that are a. The growth of the league. Caitlin Clark is. This is Tiger on the tour. There was a lot of other good golfers. Tiger was getting people to a tv singularly. So let's remember outside of the Masters.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
Or US Open before the season, Angel Reese was like, yeah, we need to hold out. I need more money. This is unacceptable. Now she's throwing her teammates under the bus saying we're not good enough. Colin, this is starting to not look. And I know people want to defend her. She's got a lot of followers on ig. I think we just need to put things in context with Angel Reese here. She's all about Angel Reese. She don't care about the team. That's just real. That's the reality. And her teammates are essentially saying that.
Colin Cowherd
JMAC with the news. Hot take. Well, that's. And thanks for stopping by the herd. Well, she is opinion. She's.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
Which is fine. Hey, be opinionated. Okay. But be ready for the repercussions, Colin, when they come.
Colin Cowherd
I'm opinionated.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
I know when to reel it in. We're adults and you know, sure, she's a young. Listen, if I were here, sitting here at 25, you probably would have got.
Colin Cowherd
Rid of me already, don't you think? It's. It's year two for Michael Jordan. He broke his foot injured and he didn't play. And I've compared her like Michael Jordan came in and I. I remember it. It was like, wow. Bulls weren't great, but it was wild. Then year two, he gets hurt. He wanted to play and Caitlin, same thing. It was, wow, like changing TV ratings. Year two, she gets hurt. It is. It's just. It's weird. Bummer. And. And the difference is, or I should say another similarity, is one of the problems Michael had early was the physical play that was allowed against him. The Pistons and the Celtics were just leaning on him, beating him up. And, you know, Michael and his coaching staffs were complaining, you're letting people get away with too much. So Michael started putting on weight as his career extended, getting stronger. Is Caitlin the big knock in the wnba? Because I think they've done some things very well since Caitlin arrived. Is the NBA has figured it out. During the regular season, they let you play. When the playoffs start in the NBA. Excuse me, during the regular season, they call it close. They want their stars to be protected. It's a long season. Then the NBA gets to the playoffs and they let them play. And it's physical. And we had some injuries, but they let them play because physical basketball is more appealing to fans. But the NBA understands we want our stars available for the playoffs. So the NBA calls a much tighter game regular season, they blow the whistle. And there's been a criticism that the young refs call too much, too much. But they keep their stars healthy, so they're ready to enter the playoffs. Then they just let. It's a free for all.
Josh McDaniels
Yeah.
Colin Cowherd
The WNBA has not learned from it. They let him just play. And so many injuries, by the way.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
All these, like, I joke that it's like prison rules in the wnb. Like, anything goes.
Colin Cowherd
There's cheap shots and players guards are complaining. They're like, it's ridiculous.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
A bunch of stars have got hurt. I mean, Sophie Cunningham's not a star, but she's out for the season. There's been a lot of questionable hits that have not really been refereed the way they should.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, Jordan was 195 pounds when he got drafted. Then 215 during the championship run, he had to put on 20 pounds. In the documentary, like, he had to get big. Lamar Jackson did that in the NFL. A lot of these young, skinny quarterbacks, they put weight on. But the WNBA just does not officiate the regular season. They just let him go. And it's like, yeah, but everybody's dinged up for the play. And by the way, their season is short. So you get to the playoffs very quickly. You Want your stars. So by the way, Greg Cosell was on earlier today, last hour and we were talking about Drake May. And I do think we've done this about four or five years in a row. Generally you can find a team in the NFL. I predicted Washington and Denver last year, Rams year before, Vikings year before. You can see when teams either get a better coach like New England variable. They spend money in free agency. They have a young quarterback getting better. I think the easiest prediction in the league is New England will double their wins. That is the easiest bet in the league. Last year I had Washington making the playoffs. I thought Denver would double their wins or come close to it. They were better than I thought. But here was Greg Cosell on what he has seen with Drake May innate toughness in the pocket. And I don't think you can teach that. I think the guys that are willing to stand and deliver when there's people around them and they know they're going to get hit, I'm not sure you can teach that. He's got that. The other thing I'm not sure that you can teach players is just a natural willingness to throw the ball into tight windows. They see those throws as viable throws and that tells you how much confidence Drake May has in Drake May. And with that, the former patriot, a great 12 years in the NFL, three Super bowl championship rings and an MVP by Buddy Julian Edelman, who's on Fox. NFL Kickoff Sundays on Fox. Buddy. So I mean in the summers you can go northeast, you talk to your buddies. I, I think it's pretty easy to predict that New England's going to have a little different tempo, a little more confidence. Nothing against Gerard Mail, but about half the coordinators don't make it as head coaches predict. What is the one or two things that I will watch the Patriots and it will be noticeably better.
Josh McDaniels
I think the, the rhythm of their offense is going to be noticeably better. Having Josh McDaniels paired with Drake May is huge. I mean, Josh McDaniels brought Mac Jones to a Pro Bowl, a Pro bowl and the playoffs. And I think they have a little more, they got more weapons this year. You know, the Trayvon Henderson draft pick. When I went to camp, he stuck out like a sore thumb. This guy was running James White routes. It took James White a long time to develop like the first day I ever seen him do it. And then he also his protection plan is like lights out as well. He's a smart individual. I think they got nucleus guys in this draft with Will Campbell, Trayvon Pair him up with Drake next year or from last year. And that's how you create long sustained success is when you get these nucleus type guys. So I think they're going to look like a competent football team this year.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, the. You always said you thought Vrabel was one of the smartest guys you ever played against or coached. Josh McDaniel, I think we look at him and because he didn't work as a head coach, that immediately puts a mark on you, a label on you. I interviewed him a couple times here on the set. Really, really liked him. Take me inside of everybody. All the great coordinators have a secret sauce, some communication, some details. What's the thing Josh does all your years of playing football that is just different?
Josh McDaniels
Yeah, he tapers the offense around the guys we have in the locker room very well. If you watch like we ran through the slot because we had good slots. Our offense ran through the slot in the tight end because that's. We had Gronk, we had me, Danny, we had. We were slot in tight end heavy. So that's how our offense looked. You always see also with the Josh McDaniels offense, you see, you see a preparation that, I mean, I don't know any other different. Billy O was very similar, but there's a preparation factor that anytime they go into a game, they have. It's a game plan system. So you're not playing the same offense every time you're playing, you know, a different team, you're playing a different game plan towards that specific game. New England's reputation, game plan type offensive coordinators. So you know, having smart, tough football players in that system which they're getting back to getting through their drafts and through the free agencies that they brought in. Having that pair with Josh allows you to have so many different avenues of how you can call a game and game plan against the team.
Colin Cowherd
So when the Cowboys traded Micah Parsons, and I've been saying this for years, I know he's great, but I look at Philadelphia's roster and I look at Dallas's roster and I'm like, dude, you need players. And now they have four total number one picks the next two years that could be four elite players if he hit on those. When you let a star player walk, I remember Belichick did it once with Seymour or Chandler, Chandler, Jones, Seymour. Yeah. What does it do to a locker room?
Josh McDaniels
Well, that's when you got to lean on the leaders and, and your leaders have to go out and set the tempo for how that, that first workday after that, that deal happens. So I think Dax gonna have a huge part in this. The leaders in that locker room are gonna have a huge part in how they're gonna deal with this. And look, this could bring their team together. You know, it could give them the us against the world mentality where everyone's looking at them like, hey, man, how did you just trade Micah Parsons? Which I don't necessarily disagree with. There was obviously a line in the sand between personal and business that got crossed on one of the sides, which we've all been in that situation. I don't know. You know, hearing the story about Jerry talking to Micah like that was kind of how things went when I was playing. Bill used to corner me in the cafeteria all the time, contract negotiations, and I would just play dumb. I'm like, yo, coach, I'm not going to try to negotiate. I would say I leave this to my agents. So there was something that happened there. But if you look on this, you can't change unless you change. And the Cowboys have been kind of in this stalemate of who they've been because they're so top heavy on how they're built. They have the highest paid receiver, the highest paid player, the highest paid corner. They got, you know, this guy, that guy. Everyone's getting paid, but there's no middle class. We had a lot of success in New England because we had the largest middle class in the league, and maybe that's what this is going to do. So, you know, it seems to be a good deal for the packers because they're instantly going to have defense, a guy that's an obvious problem. But this could be a good thing for the Cowboys, too, because maybe they're breaking the mold of what they've been doing for the last five, six years, and. And they can gain some good players out of it.
Colin Cowherd
So Mike is an interesting player. I was talking to a coach about this, and they talked about Micah. He said, you know, people tried him at stack linebacker, interior linebacker, and he didn't have great instincts. He. He's just so damn athletic. He's a splash player. And so. And he's a bit undersized, but he goes to Green Bay and is. There's an old saying in the NFL like c ball, attack ball. Some guy, Hassan Redick was like that. Hassan Reddick was a little bit of a bust early, and all of a sudden it was like, move him outside and let him go chase some guy. And Hassan had a great career. So Mike is kind of a guy that sometimes Lawrence Taylor had this. I'm just going to go get the quarterback. I'm going to go pursue the ball. Is that disruptive or in your career sometimes you just have a guy that he is great at one thing and you let him do the one thing. Do you think he changes the packers defense dramatically or just picks up sacks? Is he a Miles Garrett? I mean, again, Teddy Bruski was so many things. Yeah, Micah is just C ball and blow it up. Does he change the Packers?
Josh McDaniels
I think he does because of that flexibility of being able to move spots. Now, the Cowboys kept him on the edge because they needed the production they weren't getting out of anyone else. So you pair him with the young Packer that they have. Who's the other edge guy?
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Josh McDaniels
He's a really good football player. You got two guys that are doing some cool things and I heard Greg Cosell say that they lead the league in the stunt. So the stunt game's going to be insane. I do think he brings instant power and instant defense and instant potential turnovers and instant potential. You know, make your corners better because that quarterback's always going to have to think about that.
Colin Cowherd
He's going to increase the number of.
Josh McDaniels
Hurries, he's going to increase a whole lot of things. He's going to. You're going to have to game plan for him. That that takes time out of the offensive coordinator's day. On what we're going to do as a team, we got to think about how we're going to block this guy because he can ruin the day. That's the game plan now. So I think there's a lot of great things that he brings and I think that that only reason he played on the edge in with the Cowboys, because that's where his production was coming.
Colin Cowherd
Did you do. Who was a guy when you went into a game plan during the week? Do you remember there being a Micah Parsons like player?
Josh McDaniels
J.J. watt.
Colin Cowherd
Really?
Josh McDaniels
J.J. watt. If any time we played Houston a lot, we played him in that first round. And the number one key to that game was we got to block JJ Watt 99. If we don't get him, we're losing the game. That is the game then and that's what we did. And because of Josh McDaniels getting back to his play calling style, having a younger offensive line, knowing where the offensive lines may be a little deficient, you can switch how you protect on those guys. You double them from five different areas. This guy's got a pair doubling him. They're going to double for this side. They're going to do this. So you know, I think J.J. watt was a guy that we always had.
Colin Cowherd
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Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week. That is exactly what you're gonna get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Looks like something that should not be sold. Oh, my. So that was my other big Colts takeaway. They sold that?
Greg Cosell
Yes.
Matt Jones
Might want to go back to the Colt Stadium.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Might want to go back to the drawing board on that. Yeah. I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well.
Colin Cowherd
It's worked for generations.
Matt Jones
We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry.
Colin Cowherd
I wouldn't fight him.
Matt Jones
I would listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Josh McDaniels
Who cares about truth when the lies. More entertaining.
Angela Rye
Hey, everybody, I'm Angela Rye, co host of Native Lampod with Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillum through the lens of politics and culture. We talk with you every week to make sense of this madness. I've been telling Angela, I don't even know how to fight back right now. So what I'm focused on is just looking out for.
Colin Cowherd
For ourselves.
Josh McDaniels
That's the truth.
Colin Cowherd
We're having the same debates that American.
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Angela Rye
Rest is certainly a form of self care, but if you are watching your full neighbors starve, not be able to pay bills, your rest is selfish. But the thing is, Angela, this is not the mess we created. So I do understand black folks feeling like, you know what? Y' all got it.
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We're like family, but we disagree all the time. And we love when our love listeners chime in.
Angela Rye
What would happen if we built our own little Wakandan communities in the rural South?
Colin Cowherd
Tiffany, do not run to no rural South.
Josh McDaniels
I don't know what you're on.
Angela Rye
What our audience is asking is. Okay, fine. You want me to stop resting? What specifically are you asking me to do? Stay informed and take action.
Colin Cowherd
Listen to Native Land Pod on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Derek Eagleton, a reporter says going to be raining throughout the game tonight in Philadelphia. Sloppy, ugly. That means run game at a premium. Now that may lower the score, but Philadelphia's got the better online, the superstar running back. The better quarterback, the better everything. So expect Philadelphia to. It'll be a fast game. Run the ball.
Josh McDaniels
It's going to be a fast. I think this whole Micah Parsons trade could ignite the Cowboys. Maybe like I said earlier, light them on fire. Light them on fire where they're like, it's us against the world. I mean they still have some good football players. They, they're still pros, they're all getting paid. It's not going to be just a walk in the park for Philly. It's a division opponent opening night. These guys know each other inside now. They've been playing against each other and what Schottenheimer, he's been there, so I don't know. We'll see.
Colin Cowherd
Very positive spin. Okay, so Patrick Mahomes players vote for the top hundred players in the league.
Greg Cosell
Yeah.
Colin Cowherd
Patrick Mahomes was voted number five despite he did have a down season statistically. So let's start with this. What was your take on him being only number five?
Josh McDaniels
I think it's crazy. I still think he's number one. I think arguably last year was his best season. They were back to back champions. He went 12 or where they go 15 and two, they go to the super bowl and lose in terrible fashion. But we've never seen a team get to the super bowl after going back to back. He had a Rolodex of receivers all year long. Guys that are hurt still winning football games, band aid offensive line by the end, still winning football games. And they're in this pocket now where they know how to win and they can learn their team through September and October and get themselves ready for that January run. So, you know, we all talk about a lot of these other quarterbacks, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, which they're very unbelievable football players, but they still haven't made the play to get to the Super Bowl. We've seen Lamar Jackson season end twice, three times on blitz zero. Still hasn't found a way to beat that. Josh Allen still can't make the play when the team needs the push, push. They lose against that. We've seen over and over, including last year. Patrick Mahomes go make a third down when his team needed it and he didn't have anyone to throw it to. So.
Colin Cowherd
And this year they don't have rasheed Rice until week seven, which they don't.
Josh McDaniels
Need him until January. Okay.
Colin Cowherd
They.
Josh McDaniels
That's where they're at in their season. That's where they're at in their. In their. Their window or what everyone wants to say. They know how to win ball games. They need to play their best football at the end of the year. They need to be their healthiest at the end of the year. And this could be the best thing for Rasheed Rice to go out and come six weeks later, because now Patrick's got to learn to throw to a new guy, and then they get to rapport with another guy. Because we've seen that rapport with Rice. Right. We've seen that being developed over these last three years. So sometimes I always would think, and the Patriots would always think when I would be hurt or Gronk would be hurt. It trains these quarterbacks to learn new guys. The way I got Tom's chemistry and trust was when he had no reason to, because we got rid of, you know, Welker and Amendola got hurt. So then it forces the quarterback to learn how to. To throw to other guys, and that could help the team. So.
Colin Cowherd
So if. If in your. I don't know, did Brady or. Brady didn't know his. When. Number one.
Josh McDaniels
No, he didn't. And that motivated him.
Colin Cowherd
Really?
Josh McDaniels
Yeah. He would get.
Colin Cowherd
He.
Josh McDaniels
You know, he would get really mad about that. He would sit in the locker room and, you know, he wouldn't show it to a lot of guys, but he would, you know, there would be a comment here. There about, you know, number three. That's, you know, that's b. You know, and that I can get someone going.
Colin Cowherd
Jules, number three.
Josh McDaniels
Yeah, something like that. But the same could be said with how Patrick could handle that. This being number five. I mean, you don't think this is going to motivate Patrick Mahomes, who doesn't really need any motivation. Already has three Super Bowls, been to four straight super whatever. I mean, he's got all the everything, and we're still talking about other guys that are better than him. It's crazy to me.
Colin Cowherd
So when you listen, Caleb Williams is fascinating because you can see the horsepower.
Josh McDaniels
Yeah.
Colin Cowherd
You can see the talent.
Josh McDaniels
Yeah.
Colin Cowherd
There. There's some quarterbacks you watch, and you're like, I don't really, you know, like, some guys are small, some guys are limited. When you watch Caleb, you got to be blind not to see the horsepower.
Josh McDaniels
Yeah.
Colin Cowherd
What are you looking for? Forget the stats, because my take is my eyes will tell me if it's working.
Josh McDaniels
I'm looking to not see the horsepower. I don't want to see the horsepower. I want to see him football operationally. I've watched some of the sideline talks about, you know, Ben Johnson and his football operation. Being able to communicate a play, being able to tell the team, the personnel group, being able to get to the line of scrimmage, take a look at the defense, take a look at the front, take a look at, you know, where your receivers at, being able to handle all that. If he could do that, that's when we will start to see, you know, a rhythmatic type offense and that's what we want. I want to see more Jared Goff. Goff out of Caleb.
Colin Cowherd
Okay.
Josh McDaniels
I want to see more Jared Goff and then once he knows how to run this offense operationally, because they're going to be schemed open throws, there's going to be a good rhythm.
Colin Cowherd
Ben's offense is great with a primary receiver, great.
Josh McDaniels
But I want to see him go out and not show his flashy stuff, get rid of the football, stay on time. And when he does that for six to seven weeks and he gets comfortable in this system, then, then you could see the 1, 2, 3 plays where you're like, all right, that's why he was the number one pick. Look at Josh Allen, look at Patrick Mahomes. These guys don't do this every single play. They're sitting there, they're operationally getting the right play called. So their, their offense sees the right play against the right defense, and that's quarterbacking. Be more Brock Purdy. Okay? We all give Brock Purdy, you know, a big no, no because of the system and everything. And he's not that good. But we never see his team at the line of scrimmage fumbling to get the playoff. They're there with 20 seconds so he could sit and communicate to Kyle Shanahan for the next five seconds to get the right play called, and then they get the right play called and then they're going.
Colin Cowherd
Well, J. Mac thinks the Niners are being disrespected to you, I believe.
Josh McDaniels
You know what? Yes, I do. They're going under the radar and they were just in the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. They still have a Pro bowl tight end, Kittle. They have really good defense, Fred Warner, Bosa. And Brock Purdy has shown time in and time again that he can make a throw when his team needs it.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah. J. Mac's all over him. I, I think Seattle is my dark horse team. New England will double their wins. Seattle's the dark horse team in the.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
League for somebody who was with a great coach. Come on, Shanahan.
Josh McDaniels
Yeah, he's a really good. I agree.
JMAC (Julian Edelman)
I.
Josh McDaniels
It's hard to go against McVay, but the back scares me. I saw Gronk, the most dominant human being in the world, reduced to. To not being able to walk after he fell because of his back. That's scary.
Colin Cowherd
No, that's scary.
Josh McDaniels
And he's 37.
Colin Cowherd
Julian Edelman. Urban Meyer stopped by. Greg Cosell Rock and show Rainey in Philly will be watching. See you tomorrow. It's the hurt.
Josh McDaniels
Let's go.
Matt Jones
Hey, this is Matt Jones. And I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Oh, my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're gonna get. Listen to NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Who cares about truth when the lies. More entertaining.
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We're having the same debates that American.
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Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Episode Theme: Deep dive into recent college football and NFL developments, including Arch Manning's rough debut, the state of powerhouse programs, implications of major trades, coaching trends, and candid NFL insights with guest Julian Edelman.
This hour of "The Herd" examines the fallout from a huge college football weekend, focusing on Arch Manning’s high-pressure start, Alabama’s locker room questions, and the mechanics behind top quarterback performances. NFL storylines include the impact of the Micah Parsons trade on the Cowboys, coaching personnel strengths, and what to expect from rookie quarterbacks like Caleb Williams and Drake May. Former Patriots WR Julian Edelman offers insider perspectives on coaching, team culture, and player development.
"Stop this. That’s not fair to this guy." (Greg Cosell, 03:56)
“At some point those veteran... grown ass men better show up in that locker room and get that right. Coaches can’t get that right... players play.” (Greg Cosell, 08:10)
“Surprise is not a strong enough word when I… I turned on that and I... I don’t know.” (Greg Cosell, 09:41)
“His physical presence is Cam Newton-ish... that’s an absolute freak.” (Greg Cosell, 11:13)
“He’s not a leader. He’s a talent. And there’s a big difference.” (Colin Cowherd, 19:54)
“I am of the belief he will not last the full season in Miami… he’s still got some juice.” (JMAC, 20:17)
“When you just take one human Tom Brady out of Belichick’s career, he’s a great defensive mind — where are the wins as a head coach? I don’t see it.” (Colin Cowherd, 22:44)
Angel Reese’s comments about the Chicago Sky roster cause locker room rifts.
“She’s all about Angel Reese. She don’t care about the team. That’s just real.” (JMAC, 25:50)
Caitlin Clark’s absence from the WNBA has led to a ratings and interest drop.
Physical play and officiating problems in the WNBA lead to star injuries, mirroring old NBA debates about protecting assets during the season.
"I'm not sure you can teach that. He's got that..." (Greg Cosell, 28:47)
"I think they're going to look like a competent football team this year." (Julian Edelman, 31:29)
“This could bring their team together… give them the ‘us against the world’ mentality.” (Julian Edelman, 34:01)
“I think arguably last year was his best season… They know how to win and they can learn their team through September and October…” (Julian Edelman, 44:23)
“I want to see him football operationally…” (Julian Edelman, 47:59)
This episode recaps a high-stakes college football weekend, explores crucial NFL roster and culture shifts, and offers rare player-driven perspectives—making it a must-listen for fans seeking real analysis beyond the box score.