THE HERD - Hour 3 - Chris Broussard stops by The Herd

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: Hour 3 – Chris Broussard stops by The Herd
Date: March 23, 2026
Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd (iHeartPodcasts and The Volume)

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Episode Overview

This episode features Colin Cowherd and Jason McIntyre (“J. Mac”) diving into the latest NBA and NCAA basketball headlines, with a special guest appearance by NBA analyst Chris Broussard. The conversation focuses on high-impact athletes, playoff prospects (especially for the Lakers), college basketball coaching carousel, the Knicks’ future, and Kevin Durant’s legacy. The final part of this hour shifts briefly to the NFL, discussing Travis Kelce’s new deal with the Chiefs and its implications.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Caitlin Clark Effect: Game-Changing Athletes

(03:54 – 06:00)

• Colin praises Caitlin Clark’s transformative impact on women's basketball, citing the WNBA’s recent quadrupled salary cap as a sign of her influence.

“Caitlin Clark comes into the WNBA... The salary cap almost quadrupled. That is the Caitlin Clark effect.” (04:07 – Colin Cowherd)

• Other transcendent athletes mentioned: Tiger Woods (golf), Serena Williams (tennis), Tony Hawk (skateboarding), and Conor McGregor (MMA).
• Economic and cultural impact: Colin draws a distinction between great athletes and those who raise the profile, earnings, and ascension of an entire sport.

2. NBA Round-Up: Lakers' Surge and OKC’s Chippy Reputation

Lakers Hot Streak and Playoff Outlook (09:54 – 13:17)

• J. Mac highlights the Lakers’ current dominance: “This team's unstoppable. LeBron's bought in.” (10:02 – Jason McIntyre)
• Lakers as contenders: Draymond Green’s take—Luka Doncic and LeBron together always give their team a chance.
• Austin Reaves’ impact: Colin now sees him as “underrated” due to improved health and blending better with LeBron (10:49 – Colin Cowherd).

“Austin Reaves right now, being healthy... That's part of the nine-game winning streak, too.” (11:25 – Colin Cowherd)

• Playoff projections and LeBron's possible future deal are briefly discussed.

Oklahoma City Thunder: Physical Play and Fights (11:59 – 14:35)

• OKC’s physical style sparks on-court altercations, with multiple ejections against the Wizards.
• Colin’s take: “They play real defense every night... the way to beat them is to match their energy.” (12:44–13:17)
• While J. Mac jokes that “the refs should be like, hey, you guys can't put your hands all over these guys...”, Colin maintains that this intensity is good for the league (13:51–14:22).

3. NCAA Coaching Carousel: UNC’s Potential Changes

(15:10 – 18:48)

• Hubert Davis on the hot seat at UNC: After a rough tournament exit, rumors swirl about a coaching change, with Florida’s Todd Golden emerging as a (somewhat surprising) favorite.
• Colin questions why Golden would leave Florida for UNC: “Florida… no state tax… you have total support… that doesn't make any sense to me.” (15:20–15:36)
• Best college basketball jobs ranked: Duke, UConn, Kansas, UNC, Kentucky, Arizona, Michigan.
• NIL and transfer portal have changed dynamics, making jobs like Florida even more desirable.
• Golden’s off-court issues briefly alluded to by J. Mac but nothing definitive.

4. NBA Draft Prospects: Darren Peterson’s Red Flags

(20:53 – 22:13)

• Colin expresses concern about top prospect Darren Peterson (Kansas), who exhibits “a 10% Ben Simmons vibe”—great talent but questionable passion and durability.
• Chris Broussard is cautious:

“The red flags are glaring, Colin. Like, just missing so many games for bizarre or hidden reasons... you bring up Ben Simmons.” (21:03 – Chris Broussard)

• Despite concerns, most expect Peterson to go top-5; Broussard personally favors “Debonce out of BYU.”

5. Lakers Playoff Viability: Experience vs. Youth

(22:13 – 26:03)

• LeBron’s adaptability praised: After coming back from injury, he’s accepted a reduced, high-yield role for team success.

“He’s doing so many things he hasn’t done throughout his career. He’s sitting in the corner for the corner three... LeBron has really changed his game to fit with Luka and Austin Reaves.” (23:26 – Chris Broussard)

• Lakers’ playoff chances ranked third in the West behind OKC and San Antonio.
• Playoff X-factor: San Antonio is more talented, but their inexperience could be exploited by the seasoned Lakers squad, especially in a deep series.

6. Knicks’ Offseason Scenarios & A Giannis Pursuit

(26:03 – 29:33)

• Colin outlines a crossroads for the Knicks: If they reach the Finals, run it back; if not, pressure mounts to trade for Giannis Antetokounmpo.
• Concerns over Giannis’ durability and Knicks’ assets: After trading for Mikal Bridges, their draft capital is low.
• Chris Broussard sees Houston as a better suitor for Giannis, suggesting a bold Shingun-plus package, and mentions Minnesota as an outside candidate.

“Houston should have gone. They should have offered Shingoon and whether it's Reed, Shepard, or some other young players... that's the mistake.” (28:25 – Chris Broussard)

7. Kevin Durant’s Legacy and Player Evolution

(29:33 – 32:50)

• KD passes MJ on a key scoring leaderboard; Colin compares Durant’s career path to Wilt Chamberlain’s: extraordinary talent, but restless, not obsessed with winning at all costs.
• Chris Broussard:

“I think Kevin Durant is a top 20 player of all time... If he had stayed in Golden State... Durant would be that guy.” (30:44 – Chris Broussard)

• Durant as the evolution of Dirk Nowitzki: KD a perimeter 7-footer, innovating the game much as Dirk did, with Victor Wembanyama now the next leap.

8. NFL Note: Travis Kelce Re-Signs with Chiefs

(36:54 – 41:11)

• Travis Kelce re-ups for 3 years, $55–58m: Colin sees this as a ‘leadership league’ move, with the Chiefs betting on culture and stability more than stats.

“It’s a leadership league... Kelsey on third down or red zone, I trust him. Mahomes trusts him. Andy Reid trusts him.” (39:24 – Colin Cowherd)

• Skepticism from J. Mac: Few tight ends produce at age 37+; ceiling might be Tony Gonzalez numbers (~859 yards), but Colin emphasizes situational value over yards.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Caitlin Clark’s impact:
  “That is the Caitlin Clark effect... the salary cap almost quadrupled.” (04:07 – Colin Cowherd)
• LeBron’s transformation:
  “He is being a tremendous role player that, on nights when Austin Reaves doesn’t have it…he’ll go for 30 like the other night.” (23:26 – Chris Broussard)
• On OKC’s scrappy play:
  “They play real defense every night, okay?... I’m going to give a team credit that comes every night and usually gives you a great defensive effort.” (12:44–13:17 – Colin Cowherd)
• On Durant’s legacy:
  “If he had stayed in Golden State…Instead of Steph being the guy that’s viewed as top 10 now, all time, Durant would be that guy.” (30:44–31:18 – Chris Broussard)
• On the Knicks’ crossroad:
  “If you don’t (reach the Finals), I think there’s going to be a lot of heat to make a Giannis move.” (26:03 – Colin Cowherd)
• On Travis Kelce:
  “This is a leadership league… Kelsey on third down or red zone, I trust him.” (39:24 – Colin Cowherd)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:54 – Caitlin Clark’s impact on the WNBA and transcendent athletes
• 09:54 – Lakers’ winning streak and contenders discussion
• 11:59 – OKC’s chippy play and league reactions
• 15:10 – UNC coaching rumors; Florida’s Todd Golden speculation
• 20:53 – Darren Peterson draft analysis and concerns
• 22:13 – Lakers’ playoff prospects; LeBron’s new role
• 26:03 – Knicks’ offseason and Giannis trade scenarios
• 29:33 – Kevin Durant’s legacy and evolution among 7-footers
• 36:54 – Travis Kelce inks new deal with Chiefs; leadership discussion

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Summary

This episode showcases Colin Cowherd and Chris Broussard’s nuanced basketball analysis—emphasizing the factors (star power, fit, culture, and leadership) that make or break teams in both the NBA and NCAA. The Lakers’ chemistry, the Knicks’ potential pursuit of Giannis, and questions about rising talent like Darren Peterson all illustrate the complexity of building a championship squad. The closing conversation draws parallels between the leadership required in basketball and football, with Travis Kelce’s contract serving as a case study in team-building philosophy.

Overall, it’s a fast-paced, opinionated episode rich with insights about the current and future state of elite basketball and football franchises.

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This is the Herd line news All Right, Cowherd? Yeah, you're right. Lakers fans want you to go back on vacation, head back to the Caribbean. If they lose to the Pistons tonight, okay, you got to get out of America. The Lakers are so hot right now. And it's not just me saying that. Everybody's noticed this team's unstoppable. LeBron's bought in. Here's Draymond Green talking about the Lakers as real contenders.

[Brew Johnson]

Luka's been playing absolutely incredible, ironically. The Lakers have been playing absolutely incredible, ironically. Deandre Ayton has been playing better, ironically, Marcus Smart's been playing better because that is the magic of Luka Doncic. Luka at the top of his game makes everyone around him better. You got Luka Doncic and LeBron James on the court at the same time, you have a chance, always against anyone.

[Colin Cowherd]

I would argue that Austin reaves is finally 100% healthy. Is that I always thought Austin Reeves was a bit, you know, a little overstated his importance. Now. I think he's underrated because LeBron's playing so well. And LeBron, you know, kind of sucks the oxygen out of most rooms. I think now one of the more underrated players in the league. Now again, you put him in a playoff series, people are going to hunt him. He's not much of a defensive player. Some athletic limitations, but I would say Austin Reaves right now being healthy. I don't know if anybody's done the data on this. Austin Reaves healthy and Austin Reaves not playing or banged up. That's part of the nine game winning streak, too.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. And just imagine next year, potentially LeBron doing a little like 90% of what he's doing now, but making the league minimum instead of 50 million. Now that that's possible. I know. I don't want to jump too far ahead. Let's get the Lakers through the Western Conference finals first. Take it. Take it down. The Thunder. It'll be fine. You just love to see it. Lakers, Pistons tonight. No Cade Cunningham.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, that's brutal. I mean, they can't advance. I mean, he is their offense. That is a. I mean, it's.

[Jason McIntyre]

I don't know if they're gonna have Cade for the first round. Colin. It's not a lock that he's back. Says he reevaluated in four weeks, so injuries taking their toll. Anthony Edwards is down right now, but the Thunder got J Dub back. We'll see if that wrecks their chemistry. All right, enough bashing, okc. Let's stick in the NBA. Oh, wait, we can bash OKC more. Because wouldn't you know it, OKC got in another fight over the weekend. What's wrong with these guys? Look at this. Here we go against the lowly Wizards. A lot of trash talking. Oh, there's a shove.

[Colin Cowherd]

And here we go.

[Jason McIntyre]

They're in the stands throwing haymakers. Jalen Williams, not J Dub, the other Jay Williams. Four players were ejected. A.J. mitchell, who's a good, promising player for OKC. I don't know what he's thinking here. What are we doing? Getting in a fight with the Tanking?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, let me defend okc. First of all, they play real defense every night, okay? Unlike everybody else, they'll put a body on you. Secondly, there's a feeling in the NBA they get the whistle. Yeah, they do and they don't, but there's a feeling. The third thing is coaches, because OKC reminds me of the old Stockton, Malone, T. Bailey, Hornacek, Jazz, Jerry Sloan, the coach. They're chippy and they put their hands on you. And so the way to beat them is you have to meet their sort of energy.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

And so what happens is a lot of OKC games get chippy, and we can blame okc, but they give you. They're so deep. They have great energy. They put a body on you, and the way to beat them is to match that. So OKC games, to me, feel like they're almost. And this is not even to the playoffs yet. I think the league has a little animosity toward OKC and the chippiness they play with. But I think a lot of it is, I'm going to give a team credit that comes every night and usually gives you a great defensive effort. Come on.

[Jason McIntyre]

No, maybe the ref should be like, hey, you guys can't put your hands all over these guys. You haven't even bought them dinner yet.

[Colin Cowherd]

And you're.

[Jason McIntyre]

You're all over them, all over the court. And that's what's leading to the fights. Colin, they're playing too aggressive. If the refs don't nip this stuff in the bud, you get fights.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, this is not bad for basketball. The intensity. What hurts the NBA is load management tanking, and nobody gives a rip. If I get one of these a week or two guys.

[Jason McIntyre]

One of these a week. What do you want this to be? The hot NHL with fights? Come on.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is garbage. I didn't bother me at all. I think, listen, they're not touching fans. They're just banging into each other.

[Jason McIntyre]

I'm here to see basketball artistry. I don't see fights. He fights. I'll go watch UFC or boxing.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right.

[Jason McIntyre]

I'm disappointed in okc. You know, it final story, Colin, this one, they just brought this to me. I'm a little shocked. So UNC and Hubert Davis, obviously. North Carolina had a brutal loss, up by 19 against VCU and there is a lot of chatter in Chapel Hill that they're going to run Huber Davis out. I cannot believe that Todd golden, the Florida coach, is the favorite. What? He just won a natty at Florida and he's going to leave for Chapel Hill.

[Colin Cowherd]

Why would you leave Florida for Carolina? Now, Carolina, historically is better.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. I'm not denying that. But your rival is Duke. I mean, who's Florida's basketball rival? Do they have one?

[Jason McIntyre]

I mean, they, they are one of the best teams in the SEC the last couple years.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. That doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense at all. Florida, no. State tax. I mean, Gainesville is a great place to live. I used to live in town. Gainesville's great. You have total support of the administration. Florida football and basketball jobs are great. That doesn't make any sense to me.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. Now, golden has had some issues off the court. You can look them up on the Internet if you want. Nothing. It just wasn't great. I don't see this as a possibility. I do. It does sound like the momentum is there for Hubert Davis to get shoved out, which stinks. You guys know, you know, we went to the same high school. He's obviously a lot older than me. But Hubert Davis is a.

[Colin Cowherd]

Let me ask, let me ask. If I said, if I said 10 best jobs in college basketball. So let's, let's say Chapel was definitely number top 10. Well, I mean, Duke, UConn, Kansas, UNC,

[Jason McIntyre]

those are for sure the headlines. Arizona, I think Michigan's getting up there.

[Colin Cowherd]

I, I, I. And I'm telling you, I would go so 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. And I'm talking everything, all in your state. Kentucky apparently spent Yukon, Kansas, Carolina, Arizona. Now, there is some question. The feeling in North Carolina is you're not going to lose anybody in the portal at Carolina. They'll just pay top dollar. Hold on. Yeah. So here's a great example. Walter Clayton, he was the bucket getter last year for them. The guard.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Florida, really good college player. I don't know if he'll be a great NBA player. Okay. They lost him the bucket getter. And they still can come back in their number one seed.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

So, I mean, I think Carolina probably cares more about basketball. Florida feels like a football school with a great basketball program. Carolina feels like first, second and third of basketball school that may not tolerate Belichick for eight more games, but they are now. So I guess, I mean, I would say Carolina's fourth, fifth, third best job. Florida's top seven or eight, is it not?

[Jason McIntyre]

I mean, you got to put Kentucky in there, obviously.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, yeah, my bad. Kentucky.

[Jason McIntyre]

The Nil situation has really changed the landscape. I cannot see golden leaving for Chapel. I don't see that at all. Florida is a cash cow.

[Colin Cowherd]

Just like without getting into too many particulars. You said go to the Internet on Golden. Did he get in trouble or something?

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, he was doing some weird stuff and sliding into DMs and oh, boy, it wasn't a great look, but somehow he dodged the charges and then a year later, like wins the national championship. So it's interesting. College basketball, man, it's getting wild out there. The guy at Vandy buying Binghamton, I butchered his name just now. He is on the rise. Man. That guy did some really good things this year.

[Brew Johnson]

Good recruiter.

[Jason McIntyre]

Keep an eye on him.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. The downside to taking these Kentucky jobs, I mean, Mark Pope is this second year at Kentucky. So the downside to taking these Carolina, Kentucky jobs, I mean, Kentucky. Mark Pope won at byu. He went to Kentucky. He's a super bright guy and it's year two and they're trying to run him off. It's like, eh, you know what? You can stay at Florida if you make the tournament and you're a top three seed for the next five, six, seven years. Gainesville's a great place to live, 100%. That's about as good a job as college basketball has.

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[Colin Cowherd]

All right, J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. Yeah, sorry, Kentucky, you're a great job. And also, I've been rough on John Calipari through the years. You know, I said he had a quote at Kentucky that drove me crazy when he came out. And he said, hey, my job is to not win games. It's to get guys to the NBA. And so I started calling him John Calipanzi. A little bit of a Ponzi scheme. But in fairness, in fairness to Calipari this, Arkansas is suddenly the big dog this morning in the sec. So you can say what you want about Calipari. Darius Acuff is unbelievable. And Calipari can recruit and you know, he may have struggled at the end at Kentucky, but Kentucky's got a lot of. You're dealing with a lot of stuff at Kentucky. There's a lot of weird expectations with that. Chris Broussard covering the NBA since 1995. Oh, I want to ask you. Before I get to the NBA, I got to ask. I got to ask you about Darren Peterson. I said this. There's like a 10% Ben Simmons vibe. Like, I'm like, does he. Does he love it? And also, he's got durability issues. And Cooper Flag said this year, he goes, man, the difference between college and the NBA, you play a lot of basketball, the games are longer. There's three times as many. You also have to play defense in the NBA. In college, you can get away with it, you know, not playing great defense. Are there any. Do you hear any reservations about Peterson, Kansas, going number one because he's a sensational talent, but, you know, durability. He also, Chris, he kind of plays in a silo. No assists. He averaged like, less than 2 a game. So, like, he needs the ball when he's on the floor. Doesn't necessarily elevate others. Any negatives you're hearing?

[Brew Johnson]

Well, most people like him a lot, and he's going to obviously go high in the draft. But, yeah, some of the things you mentioned, like, personally, I like debonce out of BYU better. I would take him number one. I think Peterson's obviously got a bright future, but the red flags are glaring, Colin. Like, just missing so many games for bizarre or hidden reasons. Right. All of that and that. I mean, you bring up Ben Simmons. I have not heard that comp.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, that's my opinion. Just. Just a passion thing.

[Brew Johnson]

No, it scares you. I mean, because Ben Simmons had all the talent in the world and, you know, obviously we know how that worked out. I don't. I hesitate to put him in that bucket, but there's a lot of red flags there for sure. Look, I don't hold the game this weekend against him so much. A lot of people are looking at. He was inefficient. Five for 15, I believe. Didn't kind of take over the game.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, he didn't.

[Brew Johnson]

You're talking about that passion, that killer instinct didn't really show you that. So those are things. But I hesitate to overreact to one tournament game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right, right.

[Brew Johnson]

But look, he'll be a top five pick without question, and he should. But there are some other guys that I don't have the same reservations about, so I would. There's a lot of concern there. As great as he is as far as talent.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. And I don't think he's going to be Ben Simmons. I'm saying 10%. There's just something there where I'm a little uneasy with his durability. And I mean, listen, man, in the NBA, you got to play hurt. I mean, it's, it's just.

[Brew Johnson]

Yep.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're, you know, you're just playing so many games. It's so taxing on your body. Okay, let's get to the NBA. I, I said it's, it's. I always knew the Lakers were gifted offensively. They're actually playing better defensively. LeBron's a big part of that. But you know what's funny? Rich Paul reached out to me a couple weeks ago. He was mad at me and. Because I was saying, like, I'm not sure with Luca and Austin's inability to really play elite defense and LeBron at his age can't compensate. I'm not sure he's a good fit. I think LeBron hears everything. I think right now he is just trying to. He's trying to prove all of us TV critics wrong. Do you think this team, because the playoffs are different, you don't get the whistle, same team seven nights, they can hunt your bet, your worst offensive players does this Laker team, are they built for the playoffs? We know they're built for the regular season. Great offensively, that doesn't necessarily translate to postseason wins. Do you think they translate well, first

[Brew Johnson]

of all, to your point about LeBron not being a fit, he wasn't earlier in the season. He wasn't until he came back a couple weeks ago and decided now, to his credit, he watched, you know, this win streak started with him on the bench injured, and he watched them and figured out what is the best way for me to help this team win. And that's by being kind of this high octane role player. Right. He's doing so many things he hasn't done throughout his career. He's sitting in the corner for the corner three. He's running the floor. Incredibly, he's in the dunker spot like he is being a tremendous role player that on nights when Austin Reaves doesn't have it, for instance, he'll go for 30 like the other night. So LeBron has really changed his game to fit with Luka and Austin Reeves. So that's great. As far as the playoffs, I think the Lakers, Colin, are the third best team in the west behind OKC and San Antonio. They're one in five against those two teams. This Season but look first round, if they get hu, Houston will not beat them. I think Houston's done. The Lakers would beat Houston, no question. Minnesota and Denver, if they get one of them, that'll be tough. Denver, I would see that kind of as a seven game series. I could see either team winning that this inch. What would be interesting, Colin, if the Lakers get to the second round and face the Spurs. Now I think the spurs are a better team but they're inexperienced. Everybody has that question. That's the one question about the spurs, especially since they've been shooting the three well the last few months is their inexperience in the playoffs. How is Wimby, Stefan Castle, Dylan Harper, all these guys going to react to the playoffs? That and then they would be facing the most experienced playoff guy you could face in LeBron. Luka obviously has a lot of experience. Deandre Ayton played in the finals like Marcus Smart has gone deep. So that would be a real test case for the power of experience. So I would, I think right now I'd pick the spurs. But that would be in the back of my mind like yeah, you know, if the spurs don't react properly to the playoffs, the tough seven game series could the Lakers with their experience, JJ Redick also has more experience than Ms. Johnson, Mitch Johnson, who be in his first playoffs. So that, that's what intrigues me about that round. But I think the spurs are better and I likely would pick them.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know it's interesting I think sometimes when you make a big deal. So Giannis is out there and what's going to happen to the Knick? Knicks got a break when you know Cade Cunningham is going to be out. That's a break because the Pistons had hammered the Knicks and without Cade they just can't score the ball. So then Tatum comes back. That's not necessarily good, although they played bad the other night. But the Celtics are back and so I don't think that, I don't think the Knicks are winning the title. But if they got to the finals you can make an argument they don't have to make a Giannis move, but if they got bounced by an Orlando or they got bounced by a Cleveland or a Boston, my argument is this. Brew Brunson is a smaller player who has the ball a lot. He's going to age quickly. And Cat, we all kind of know the game on Cat defensive liability. Giannis sounds like it'd be a perfect fit, but now he's having lower body injuries. They're adding up. So I Think the Knicks are fascinating. If they get to the Finals. You keep og, you keep Hart, you keep. You run it back. If you don't, I think there's going to be a lot of heat to make a Giannis move. And let me ask you, as somebody who lives in New York, I don't know if I want to give up four firsts for Giannis and OG and a Josh Hart, or you're going to have to have a salary.

[Jason McIntyre]

What?

[Colin Cowherd]

The Giannis, Knicks thing. How. Where are you on that?

[Brew Johnson]

Well, one, I think the Knicks would have trouble making a deal that was fair for Milwaukee, like the Knicks, you know, remember, they gave up so many draft picks for Mikhail Bridges, so they don't have a ton of picks to trade to Milwaukee for Giannis. So I. What the Knicks would have to do to get Giannis is unless the Bucks want to do them a favor, which I wouldn't if I'm the Bucs, they would have to go out and get a third or fourth team, I think, to make this happen. Somewhat similar to a Golden State, which will go after him as well, I think. Colin? Yeah, sure. If I'm the Knicks and I don't get to the Finals, I'm trying my darnedest to get Giannis.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Brew Johnson]

I just think it's going to be tough with a third or fourth team having to be involved. Colin, the team, I think made a mistake and I think should go wholeheartedly after Giannis this summer is Houston. Houston should have gone. They should have offered Shingoon. And whether it's Reed, shepherd or some other young players.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I agreed with you on this. Yes, I agree with you on this.

[Brew Johnson]

That's the mistake. So they got to do that this summer because it's good. I love Shingun, but I don't think he's good enough or will be good enough ever to, like, lead a team to the championship.

[Colin Cowherd]

Fair?

[Brew Johnson]

You got Durant, so you win. Now go get Giannis this summer and pair him with Durant, and, I mean, that'd be a great team, try to win a championship. So I think Minnesota also should make a charge, although I don't know that they'd have the pieces.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, see, this is my take on this as well. Like, I know Houston does not want to give up Amen Thompson. Like, I know that he is defense and energy and athleticism.

[Brew Johnson]

You might be able to keep him. I agree with that. I think they maybe could keep him in that deal, but, you know, we'd have to see.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I want to talk Kd So he just surpassed mj. We put up the board the graphic earlier And I said KD reminds me of Wilt in that most great players, LeBron, Steph, Magic Bird, Dr. J, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan. There's almost an obsessiveness about winning. Their moves are always about winning, joining the best. KD left a dynasty to go play with a friend in Brooklyn. And like Wilt Chamberlain, like, was a man without a country like LeBron. You know, Wilt was just flaky and fun and a big personality. I love Kevin Durant's game. I think he's one of the great. I mean, I. And I mean, I put him in the MJ offensively elite category. I think he's one of the great offensive players in the history of the sport. Catch and shoot off the dribble. I think he's unbelievable. Do you think history. Because he's bounced around. Will history be kind to Kevin Durant? In a league where a lot of players don't want to make news, I mean, he'll come out and just tell you, I don't want to be a leader. I'm a baller. I mean, he doesn't even care. And I like that about him. Will history be kind to Durant?

[Brew Johnson]

Look, I think Kevin Durant is a top 20 player of all time. A lot of people think that's too low. Like some people have him knocking on the door of the top 10. I say top 20. And the thing is this, Kyle. Look, when we talk legacies, obviously we include winning so much. But organization, coaches, teammates, all of that's important. If Kevin Durant had stay. You mentioned him going to Brooklyn. If he had. To each his own. If he was happy with his moves, then thank God for that. It's all. It's about what he want to do. But if he had stayed in Golden State, Colin, he would probably have what, four championships, Maybe more, maybe five. And instead of Steph being the guy that's viewed as top 10 now all time, Durant would be that guy. Because people looked at Durant as the best player on that team. He won the two Finals MVPs. But when Steph won it without him after Durant left, he moved up into that top 10. In most people's eyes, that would have been Durant. So you are right in that, his legacy, I. I think it's obviously going to be great, but it could have been much better had he stayed in Golden State. And I'll say this for his legacy, I think Durant is the evil was the evolution of Dirk Nowitzki. All right. He was a bet. He was like Dirk was that first seven footer that was primarily a perimeter player and, you know, wasn't a terrific rebounder, defender. But just a score. That was Durant. Better shooter, better three point shooter, better scorer than Dirk. And guess what? I think Wemby, not that we're gonna see a bunch of Wimbys, but he's like the evolution of Durant. Cause he's, he's 7 6, doing what Durant can do and then some. So, yeah, Dirk, kd, Wimby. But that's the evolution.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. Great stuff, Brew, as always. First things first after our show. Good seeing you, buddy.

[Brew Johnson]

All right, Colin, thanks.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I think I don't know where I'd put Durant. And I've never written it down, but I will say that I think in the history of basketball, there's not five guys more offensively gifted. Oh, wow. Look at this. Wow. Wow. Take a break. Back News breaking. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific pay

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Oh, this is breaking news. Chiefs Pro bowl tight end Travis Kelce going to be 37 in October. Early in the season, he just signed a three year deal worth 55 million bucks thereabouts. He can make about 58 with some incentives. But I know J. Mac's not going to like that. Listen, the Chiefs are still fifth best odds to win the Super Bowl. Why? Because people are betting. The Hunt family, Brett Veach, Mahomes Kelsey in a big spot. Andy Reid, Steve Spagnola. What you're betting on is their excellent leadership. I mean go look at the Patriots last year. How are they so good? Part of it was Robert Kraft, Josh McDaniels, Mike Vrabel, the former Patriot, good young quarterback. Their roster wasn't one of the two best in football. No way. I mean they o line was a mess. They need another tight end and another receiver. You this is a leadership league. It really and so to me, how did the Broncos turn around the organization with that terrible cap hit? Sean Payton. Now they have the second or first richest owners in the sport. You know, Cortland Sutton, good leader. Garrett Bowles, the left tackle, good leadership. It's a leadership league. We all think it's a talent league. It's a leadership league. I mean Aaron Rodgers literally got the Steelers to the playoffs. They didn't have a number two receiver. They were an awful offense until he got there. They're the oldest defense, one of them in the league. They overspend on defense. Aaron Rodgers, leadership, eq, iq, whatever you want to call Aaron was just made him a very good red zone team. They were a terrible red zone team the previous five years. So I, I, I look at this and I'm like if this is what Mahomes, Reed and Brett Veach say, hey, he's still great on third down, then you know, three year deal can end up being two years. I mean it's, I don't guaranteed money. I get it. It's a leadership league and he is going to be, I mean here's the other thing. The wide receivers for the Chiefs, Rasheed Rice, don't trust his maturity. Xavier Worthy's talented but a gadget guy. They don't have, I mean Nicole Hardman, they don't have a guy I trust. So Kelsey on third down or red zone, I trust him. Mahomes trust him. Andy Reid trust him. So I get you don't like it though.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well that's a good take that you trust Kelsey. Is it also saying that Veach and Reed don't trust the wide receivers

[Brew Johnson]

Weak.

[Colin Cowherd]

I wouldn't trust him either. And it's a bad receiving class.

[Jason McIntyre]

Now the counter is I just looked up, you know, the history of tight ends who are 37 years old and according to most of the data, tight Ends start to decline around 32. I can't find a wide receiver over 37 who had a 1000 yard season. 859 yards. Tony Gonzalez seems to be the cap.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't think, I don't think Travis Kelsey's about thousand yard seasons. I think he is a third down, red zone, fourth down, situationally excellent player. He and Mahomes can read each other's minds. You're not looking for him to have 94 catches. That's not what this is about.

[Jason McIntyre]

Where are you getting the punch from? The running game? Kenneth Walker, I mean overpaying for the.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think they believe if they can nail, if they can get that right tackle from Utah with their first pick. They like Simmons at left tackle, Creed Humphreys awesome at center. Trey Smith is outstanding. I think the Chiefs believe. Listen, our offensive line looked bad last year. We actually think if we can solve right tackle, it's really, really good. So I think they're off and I think they kind of feel like, listen, we're going to have a rookie right tackle. We're going to have a second year left tackle. We now have a veteran quarterback, a veteran running back, a veteran center. We're going to be a little older, we're going to be a little older in some spots on offense, but the defense is mostly young. Outside of Chris Jones, it's mostly young. So I don't like the Trent, the Trent McDuffie move bothers me. Kenneth Walker and Travis Kelsey, I mean this is a, this is a quarterback league. If, if Mahomes is better with a new right tackle, Kenneth Walker and Kelsey, then you do it.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. Let me, let me ask you. So super bowl odds have the Chiefs fifth best in the league. You and I have the Chiefs third best in their division.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Jason McIntyre]

So there's a big disconnect here. Is this, you know, Vegas saying hey by the Chiefs low. Mahomes is back. They're not going to miss the playoffs again. I think that would be dumb money to invest in the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, it was a down year in the AFC. Lamar got hurt. Right there was the McDermott heat, Herbert's both tackles. The offensive line was egregiously bad. So it was a. Indiana was playing great until Daniel Jones got hurt. It was a weird year in the afc. My take is it's a bounce back year. If Aaron comes back with the Steelers, they're going to be a good football team. Not great, but good. So Travis Kelsey led them in receptions, yards and touchdowns and they missed. I know he's older. But again, it's not about total catches. That's not what he that's not what he that's what the Seahawks need JSN to be because they don't have a dependable two. All right, Travis, Kelsey Scream seven and ten. Maybe I get invited to the wedding. Whether you want to maximize your performance or form healthier habits this year, knowing what your body needs can help put you on the right path. With Quest, you can buy your own lab tests [e-mail] no doctor visit required for purchase. Quest has a huge selection of tests, including the new Elite Health Profile, a panel made for men and women and tracks 85 plus health markers affecting the heart, liver, kidneys, hormones, metabolism and immune system, delivering a ton of insights in one snapshot. For a limited time, save on select lab [e-mail] with code herd10. That's herd10 at checkout.

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