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Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Remember when baseball had the Mitchell Report and I always hated that and I'm like well you took like two clubhouses. You took a couple of, you know, AL east clubhouses and eastern like Met clubhouse or Red Sox or Yankee clubhouse. That that's not a macro look, the Mitchell Report I always thought was unfair and I maybe I'm talking to the wrong people. Albert Brear, Monday morning quarterback, joins us. Everybody's telling me he's a good prospect. I mean to beat Ohio State. And that Miami defense, I thought against Miami late it was unbelievable. And Oregon, I mean, yeah, I mean they were in so many close games and they won all of them. I mean what are your people telling you on Mendoza?

Albert Breer (3:55)

I think it's probably similar to what you're hearing, you know, like, I think the best way to look at this is always with the historical context and how would he fit into other draft classes. And I don't think he would be the number one overall pick in every draft is the way that I would term it. If you go back two years ago when Caleb Williams went first, Jaden Daniels went second, Drake may 1 3rd, Penix 1 8, McCarthy went 10th and Nick's 1 12th. The consensus I've gotten is that he would have been the fourth of those quarterbacks. So right in the middle and the comp I've gotten is Jared Goff. And I, I think if you like look at him physically, what he's able to do, how natural a stroke he's got, the composure he has working from the pocket, his ability to play off of play action, a lot of RPO stuff at Indiana the same way there was a Cal all those years ago, you can see the comp there. So you know, I, I, I, I think most teams like the makeup. They like how much he's won, they like the accuracy. They think even though he hasn't played in a true pro style offense, he's Got the ability to do that based on his ability to process. But is he physically what, you know, say Drake May was coming out of North Carolina or Jaden Daniels was coming out LSU or Caleb Williams was coming out of USC. He's not that.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (5:20)

Okay, so he would have gone fourth or fifth in that draft. Did they like him better than J.J. mcCarthy? Yes.

Albert Breer (5:27)

And that's what I'm saying. Better than Pennix, better than McCarthy, better than Knicks. But not as good as those others. Right. And look like Colin. I think those other three, I mean, one of them was just in the Super Bowl.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (5:37)

Yeah.

Albert Breer (5:37)

The other one was in the nfc. Another one was in the NFC title game last year.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (5:42)

Yeah.

Albert Breer (5:43)

And then the third one is Caleb Williams, you know, who was in the divisional round of the playoffs and went toe to toe with Matthew Stafford. So I, like, I, I, I think the bar would be pretty high if the bar is 24, the 24 draft. But I'm just using that as a, for example, there are other draft classes where he would have gone number one overall. I think he would have been in the mix last year with K, with Cam Ward.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (6:05)

You know, I was, I was saying, and this is just my interpretation, I grew up out West. You grew up out East. I think you grew up at East. Right. And I always had this theory when I worked at the other place, espn, that west coast people all go east by the time they're 25. For business, to go to Europe, connecting flight, they want to see New York City. Eastern people don't necessarily go west. When I worked at espn, half the building thought Pittsburgh was west. I mean, they thought the, anything west of the Hudson river was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't even know that's up here too. Denver.

Albert Breer (6:41)

Right.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (6:42)

And so west coast fans pay attention to the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Eagles. A lot of Patriot fans are like, I don't know anything about Seattle. And I don't think they understand how great Mike McDonald made me. May be the next Sean McVeigh and how great the GM is. He's Howie Roseman, but actually in the draft the last four years, better. And so when I look at Seattle, I think a lot of fans that are removed from the Pacific Northwest, like, don't realize how good and deep this roster is. I mean, everybody likes to copy cat in this league. I don't think you can copy what Seattle's done, can you?

Albert Breer (7:23)

Right. And I agree. I think, like, he's got a Hall of Fame case now. John Schneider does like having one with two completely different groups you know, like I. And you look at the roster and that's what's sustainable about it, is that there's so many young players that went. And I think we talked about this before the year, right? Like the Seattle Seahawks were one of those teams that had a lot of very good young players where if those players could become great players, well then they'd really have something. We know about the older veterans and the team, Leonard Williams, Cooper cup guys they got from the outside, right, that have been important pieces for them. Ernest Jones is another one of those. But you look at the young guys that they've drafted and developed and how many of those guys elevated this year? Jackson Smith and Jigba, Charles Cross, Kenneth Walker, Byron Murphy became a monster on the defensive line. Devin Witherspoon, I think could have been super bowl mvp. Then this year they draft Nikki Manwari and Gray Zabel.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (8:16)

Wow.

Albert Breer (8:17)

And it's interesting, you know, I, I think John Schneider, one of the best things about him is he keeps evolving, right? So his ability to do this was part of a self evaluation. And after some of the legion of boom guys started to age out, where he went back and looked at it and said, where have we started making our mistakes? And their mistakes were made when they were reaching for guys, right? And you see the result now where they don't reach as much. Jackson Smith and Jigba is a great example of it. The top rated guy on their board at the time, right when they were picking there, I think was 20th overall in the 2023 draft. At the time they had DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett on big contracts, but they picked him anyway because he's a great player. And now the other two guys are gone and JSN is the best receiver in football. So it's just decisions like that, the ability to self evaluate, the ability to just go and find great players. The Seahawks have a chance to be very good for a very long time because they've continued to look in the mirror, They've continued to find ways to get great players in the roster. They found solutions at quarterback and they knew when to say when. I mean, you give John Schneider credit for the coach too, right? Like he was the one who went out and found Mike McDonald and was willing to wait three weeks for Mike McDonald when everybody else was snapping up their head coaches. There were eight teams that had openings that year. So Schneider deserves a ton of credit for what's happened there. No question, it's hard to replicate because so much of it, it's just about the nuts and bolts of being a gm, which is about getting good people in the building.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (9:50)

The. I want to talk to you about the coaching hires. So I think it was the athletic one out and asked nine executives, and Joe Brady ranked very low. And I said, what's happening in Buffalo is fascinating because Brandon Bean's already getting heat locally, fans and media on his drafting. So now he goes in the building to hire the replacement for a very good coach. If you look at the schedule next year for the Buffalo Bills, Albert, we put it up earlier, they are facing the greatest coaching opposition. Schedule twice. Look at this. Andy Reid, Vrabel twice. Harbaugh, Ben Johnson, Peyton, Dan Campbell, Matt LaFleur, Demiko Ryan, Sean McVeigh. So they're not drafting well. Brandon means getting a ton of heat. They hire in the building, and that usually doesn't work. And this schedule, I mean, I think. And I mean, there's an argument that they'll be at a coaching deficit even if Brady's solid in nine games, 10 games. Let's say it goes sideways in Buffalo. Maybe I'll just start it with this. I think the Heat's greater than Brandon Bean wants to acknowledge. The media, the fans, I think Joe Brady, realistically, at Thanksgiving, if they're struggling against this schedule, I think the heat gets ratcheted up. That sounds crazy, right?

Albert Breer (11:19)

Yeah. There's pressure on everybody because of the quarterback. I mean, let's make no mistake about this. I mean, I. He's going to be 30 years old this off season, and there's a ton of pressure on everybody in that building to win while he's still in his prime. And because of the amount of damage he's taken on because of his playstyle. Right. Like, you don't know whether or not he's going to be able to. He hasn't every intention of playing until he's 40. But you don't know, like, is it going to be the same at 34? Is it going to be the same at 36? And so what that does is it creates a situation where there's pressure on everyone in there to try to maximize what they have with Josh Allen in the here and the now. And so a lot of it for Joe Brady is going to be about getting a better return on investment from the players they've already paid. And this is the mistake that people make with them. People think like, okay, like, the window is closing. It's not. It's whether or not this second group of players that they put around Josh Allen is as good as the first group. And so it's Greg Russo, it's Terrell Bernard, it's Coyote Shakir, it's Dalton Kincaid, it's Christian Benford, it's James Cook, it's all these guys that now have contracts where you're looking at them saying, can they elevate? And that's going to be the pressure on Joe Brady and his staff maximizing. Those guys now, I think they are going to be aggressive and they could go out and sign somebody like Alec Pierce from the Colts who could be a difference maker for them. They're going to see those sorts of things. But because of the way the Brandon Beans built, they are locked in with a core that they have right now. And I think the question is going to be, can that core be good enough to compete for a championship? And the pressure now falls on the coaching staff to get the most out of those guys.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (13:06)

I said yesterday to defend Drake May. One year ago from about, you know, today, Sam Darnold got sacked nine times and was dreadful against the Rams. Yep. A year later, he's hoisting a trophy. Things change. Drake May was awful, but it's also Seattle's defense. But his inefficiency, he looked rattled, nervous. May have not been 100%. Do you think privately there are some concerns about not just the Super Bowl. He was a turnover mess for about a month at the end. Once they played good teams, the schedule was so easy. Once they ratcheted up defenses, he looked overwhelmed a lot. You think privately there's a little concern.

Albert Breer (13:52)

I would tell you privately, what they're saying right now is about where he's at and that, you know, I, I think like what you saw in the playoffs was sort of reflective of some of the stuff that you saw in the college tape, which was his first year, North Carolina, a lot of things. First year starting at North Carolina.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (14:11)

Yeah.

Albert Breer (14:11)

In 22, a lot of things were right around him and he was great and looked like a number one pick in the draft. And then the next year lost his offensive coordinator. I believe Phil Wango went to Wiscons Johnson. Yeah, he lost his best receiver. I think his best receiver that year was Josh Downs. You'd have to look that up. There was an eligibility question with his. His best receiver coming back the next year. That was Tez Walker. Sort of all these moving parts and he started to have to take on more and sort of play some hero ball. And that wound up costing him in the evaluation of some teams. Right. And so, like what you've seen over the course of his career, sort of a microcosm of that. Year one, some up, some downs, he had to carry that group because it wasn't a very good team. Year two, they get a lot better. The schedule contributes to it. And you see a guy who can go out there and be really effective and efficient and play smart football. And then when you get to the playoffs, it flips right where they went from either being talent equated or having a talent advantage to now they're in these playoff settings where the other team has better players than they do. You know, when you're talking about the defense versus the offense and you look at who they played in the playoffs, it was the Chargers, the Texans, the Broncos and the Seahawks. That might be four of the five best defenses in football. Colin. And so, like, I think that that's part of it, you know, is like that there was more and Drake to carry the team in the playoffs. And I think you saw some of the bad habits come back. They're confident that he's a smart kid. They're confident that he has got the right sort of head on his shoulders for all this, that he's resilient and that he's a hard enough worker to get through it. But I think what you saw in the playoffs was maybe a little bit more of a reflection of where he's truly at now. I voted for him for mvp. I think he did more to carry his team than anybody in football this year. But if you look at him and how he looked against that Seattle defense, with all they throw at you versus House, Matthew Stafford looked two weeks earlier. That's where I think you see a little bit of the learning curve, you know, and look, he's 23 years old, so there's every reason to believe he's going to get there, but it doesn't happen overnight.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (16:24)

Good stuff. Monday morning, quarterback Albert Brewer. As always, buddy, great seeing you.

Albert Breer (16:28)

All right. Thanks, Colin.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (16:29)

You bet. Yeah, it's. There's just you. There's just no other way to put it. I said it last week. Can't be president until you're 35. Stafford's life experience, quarterback experience, snaps in the facility, all the film he's watched, all his starts. And Drake May. Drake May can't possibly be Matt Stafford. He can't possibly go to the line of scrimmage and look at that Rubik's Cube and flip it. He just can't. He's just. He's too young. He can't do it. That's why I thought Stafford was the mvp. Stafford goes to the line and knows the why. Drake May is still trying to figure out the what the gap between them in knowledge pre snap is. It's the Grand Canyon. That was my take anyway. Be sure to catch live editions of.

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JMac (Jason McIntyre) (21:59)

Welcome back. Great to have you in. Drew Brees in about 20 minutes. J. Mac with the news.

Drew Brees (22:07)

No, no, no, turn on the news.

Albert Breer (22:09)

This is the Herdline news.

Colin Cowherd (22:12)

All right, I think we're worn out on your Seattle Seahawks, so let's go to your second favorite team, Colin the Denver Broncos and Bo Nixon. Sean Payton. They are close, it sounds like, to replacing their OC Joe Lombardi. Everybody knew it was going to Be Davis Webb. But how about this one, Colin Davis Webb reportedly will be calling plays in Denver now. I am very dubious of this. Sean Payton has obviously called plays since he's been a head coach and now he's going to give it up for Davis Webb. A first time play caller. This is a shocking development and well, this is. I don't want to say I don't believe it, but I'll believe it when I see it.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (22:48)

Can I say that I think Sean has wanted to get off play calling and maybe was loyal to Lombardi but did not necessarily completely trust him. And I think he thinks Davis Webb, that's why he made the move, is sort of next level. He's one of these sharp young guys that's nothing against Joe Lombardi, but that was his loyal buddy and ally. That doesn't necessarily mean you think he can be Ben Johnson. So I think you see this on staffs all the time where you know you've got your friends, you hire people that you like and respect. But do you really think they're at the top, top of the food chain? They're the next Mike McDonald or Sean McVeigh. And I'm not saying Davis Webb is, but there is a sense around the league that like a d' Amico Ryan's before he got hired, people are talking about this young coach as potentially a next great young coach.

Colin Cowherd (23:39)

Everybody loves the shiny new thing, right? Davis Webb, I mean he was in the league like what, six years ago? Former Texas Tech quarterback, like, yeah, I don't know. The excitement. Listen, he's probably going to be good, but the excitement over every new thing. How about this, Colin? Is this Sean Payton lining up a secession plan for him? Hey, we got Bo Nix on the rookie deal for two more years. Let's try to win a Super Bowl. I walk off into the sunset and Davis Webb takes over for me.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (24:06)

I think Sean wants the coach more than two years. I would say maybe four years. Four more years.

Colin Cowherd (24:11)

Well, Davis Webb's not sticking around for four years as an OC that if you're hot and you're like you're one of these superstars, you stay around one, maybe two, at best three. And then, you know you're looking for a head coaching gig. But it's weird. You contrast this with what's going on in Seattle. Do we like it? I mean, they handed it off in house. I thought we didn't love that.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (24:37)

It's different. You didn't lose a guy who elevated you fired a guy.

Colin Cowherd (24:41)

You did, you did get Off a guy.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (24:43)

When you're firing a guy and then replacing in house, that's like we got a guy better in house. That that has proved when, when a guy leaves and upgrades in house, the answer generally isn't really good guy in house. So I don't, I think they feel okay.

Albert Breer (24:58)

Well, we'll see.

Colin Cowherd (24:58)

We'll see. With the Broncos, let's move on to John Harbaugh, Jesse Minter and the Baltimore Ravens. So you move off Harbaugh, you bring in Minter and his first order of business is going to have to figure out this Lamar Jackson contract. Colin, interestingly, the owner, Steve Bishotti, remember last month he said he wants to have an extension finalized before free agency. Colin, is that, is that a surprise to you, a new deal for Lamar before free agency?

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (25:25)

No.

Colin Cowherd (25:25)

He has two years left on his five year, $260 million deal.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (25:29)

That's not. This is why I'm not buying them as a Super bowl team.

Colin Cowherd (25:32)

Got it.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (25:33)

I just, you can't pay your quarterback this level. We saw Mahomes and Allen, who are better quarterbacks. You have a limited limitations in your roster. If you want to be the highest paid guy, congrats. But you're not a Super bowl team.

Colin Cowherd (25:45)

How often, how much do you think Minter discussed this with Machadi? Like, hey, what we, what are we doing at quarterback? How much are you paying Lamar?

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (25:51)

Well, mentor wanted a and Baltimore's a good job. You take the job. Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (25:56)

Lamar, third highest cap hit next season, second in 2027. Now this is where it gets interesting. Colin Lamar, remember the last time they went to negotiating, he said he wanted fully guaranteed deal.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (26:07)

Remember that?

Colin Cowherd (26:08)

It was ugly. His mom was his agent and it was getting. It was on the heels of the Sean Watson deal and he wanted fully guaranteed. Is this one going to get messy in Baltimore?

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (26:18)

Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

Albert Breer (26:22)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (26:22)

Well, we shall see. Finally, let's go to Todd McShay's mock draft. He was on the show yesterday and one interesting thing we wanted to revisit here is his, his claim or view in that Ty Simpson should be a good fit in the Sean McVay offense to replace Matt Stafford. Not obviously next year, but here's MC here, here he is talking McShay on Ty Simpson to the Rams.

Drew Brees (26:50)

I think with McVeigh with one year behind Stafford, let's say in that offensive system, with a coach's son's mind, I think that could work. I put him at 13 in this mock draft. As of right now, I don't think that that's going to happen, but wait for it. Like too many. I've been doing this two and a half decades. As we get closer without other quarterbacks, someone's going to rise. And I could see Ty winning over a lot of coaches in those meetings.

Colin Cowherd (27:16)

You're close to McVeigh. Let me just ask you.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (27:18)

You know, I'm close to McVeigh. I, I have a good.

Colin Cowherd (27:20)

I'm sorry, not McVeigh.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (27:22)

McShay.

Colin Cowherd (27:22)

Mitch McShay, Todd McShay.

Albert Breer (27:24)

Sorry.

Colin Cowherd (27:25)

So we know how the, this process works. When you talk draft, people want to talk skill position guys and quarterbacks. They don't want to talk the big uglies on the offensive line. We know that matters more. But is this McShay pumping up a quarterback? Because really, it looks like we're a 1 quarterback in the first round right now. And that's not sexy for drafts.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (27:44)

No, I think it's a great draft. I think it's a lot of big markets and fascinating teams. I mean, even the Rams and the Chiefs are up there. Like, it's. I think it's a very good draft. I don't think it's a. I mean, you got a star quarterback. I don't think McShay is pumping up anything. I think Ty Simpson, you know, there's, there's reasons. I think he has a. I think he has a nice arm. I think he has a plus arm. Actually, I don't see him as a. I mean, I'm a plus arm. I think he's got a good arm. I, I don't see him as a first round guy, but I, but I also didn't see Jackson Dart as a first round guy. I thought Jackson Dart was middle or upper second round and Jackson had a nice rookie year, so.

Colin Cowherd (28:18)

Well, he also went like 25ish.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (28:21)

Well, that's the Rams second pick is. Is near the bottom.

Colin Cowherd (28:24)

That's not horrible. I, it's weird. I like Ty Simpson all season. Colin, and then he got so much love. It was like top 10. I was like, wait a minute. I, I saw the guy had some good comebacks and he started to crater late. Only started for one year. I don't know. I'm thinking second round would be ideal. Jets will take him in the second. Well, we'll gladly take him in the second.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (28:45)

They could get Elway. They're not winning. They could literally get Caleb Williams and it would go sideways.

Colin Cowherd (28:51)

Oh, come on.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (28:52)

Well, it did with Sam Darnold. He looks pretty good.

Colin Cowherd (28:54)

He was not good back then.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (28:56)

He was funny.

Colin Cowherd (28:58)

He Got better. Yeah.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (29:00)

J. Mac with the news.

Colin Cowherd (29:02)

Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by.

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Colin Cowherd (29:14)

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JMac (Jason McIntyre) (29:20)

20 NFL seasons, 13 time Pro Bowler, a Super bowl champ. I was just watching some of that Saints super bowl with the coach Colts. Man that was well coached, stacked roster. Drew Brees, and now he is a first ballot hall of Famer. He's joining us live from New York. He was doing stuff with the company stretch zone. I'll get to that in a second. So it's interesting. We have footage of Dan Fouts, former Oregon Duck charger, knocking on the door. And so, I mean, you got a sense it could happen. So, like, just take me to that moment when you saw Dan. What'd you think.

Drew Brees (29:55)

It was? It was a shock, but really it was like the setup before that. So it was, it was my birthday a few days prior to that, and I share a birthday with my son Balon, who was the one year old that I held up at super bowl, who's now 17 and driving, by the way. So the weekend was all about him. So Monday rolls around and my daughter, who's 11 years old, who is like my absolute sweetheart, it's like, dad, I want to take you out to eat at five o'.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (30:22)

Clock.

Drew Brees (30:23)

And so I'm like, my heart's melting. I'm like, oh, absolutely, sweetie. So be ready by five. So I'm ready, my wife's ready, my daughter's ready, and the boys are messing around upstairs. I'm like, boys, let's go. Rylan said five o'.

Colin Cowherd (30:34)

Clock.

Drew Brees (30:34)

We're out the door. They're still messing around. Like, I'm starting to get frustrate. I'm literally about to leave the boys. Like, they're being disrespectful. We're leaving, like, teach them a lesson. And then, and then there's a knock at the door and I'm like, who's knocking at the door? We're trying to get out of the house, you know, and so then there's dan Fouts and 10 cameras, you know, and it's like, oh, boy, you got me.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (30:57)

Oh, that is a great. That is a great story. You were just about to teach your sons a life lesson, and then you got a lifetime achievement award. That's how it should work.

Drew Brees (31:08)

That's right. In the meantime, my wife told them, like, hey, you guys, stall. Stall until they knock on the door. We can't leave you know, so she had this whole thing orchestrated the whole time.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (31:18)

Oh, that's great. So, you know, it's funny, people were saying Sam Darnold. They said, sam, Colin, you love Darnold. He didn't do anything. And I joked, I said, yeah, he didn't throw a pick. He didn't fumble. He didn't have multiple sacks. And I went back and looked this up. Here are super bowl winning quarterbacks with no playoff turnovers. Drew Brees, Troy Aikman, Steve Young and Sam Darnold. And what do you have in common? You're great, Your coaches are great, and your rosters were really good. I'm watching your Saints highlights during the break. I'm like, man, you guys had good players. Take me to that playoff run by you. Did you understand, Drew? This is the best roster I may have had. There are certain throws. Maybe I won't make this playoff run.

Drew Brees (32:03)

You know, obviously we were ultra confident, you know, with that team. And going into the 09 playoffs, if you recall, we started off 13 0. You know, we were rolling. We lost the tough one to Dallas, then we lost a tough one to Tampa, where we lost or we missed a field goal in overtime, ironically, in the exact same spot where we made the field goal in the NFC Championship to advance the Super. But I think when we looked at kind of our road through the playoffs, look, it was a. It was a gauntlet. You know, Kurt Warner was coming to town hall of Fame quarterback, right? They were airing it out. Then NFC championship, it was Brett Favre and that Vikings team, which was as good a Vikings team as I've ever seen. And then obviously we were going to play, you know, Peyton Manning, and arguably a team that could have been undefeated that year. They kind of just threw the last two games so they could rest their starters. So, like, we kind of knew what was ahead of us. And yet we knew that if we played our game and executed the way that we knew that we could, that we could win. And I would always define our team as a somewhat aggressive team. You know, knowing Sean Payton, knowing kind of the way he likes to call a game. I think it also equipped and empowered me as the quarterback, though in a lot of cases where I knew he was going to be aggressive, I knew he was going to dial it up, but I also knew that he had trust and confidence in me to make great decisions, to check the ball down if it wasn't there, to not take any unnecessary chances because, hey, we'll come back and call it again. And so a lot of that confidence and a lot of, you know, playing that way and at that level was the result of the confidence that I knew he had in me.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (33:33)

Do you have a little soft spot for Darnold based on your first couple years weren't perfect and Darnold's first several weren't. When you look at Sam, do you. You find yourself, like, rooting for him because that journey, you have some similarities.

Drew Brees (33:47)

1,000%. 1,000%. And honestly, I think it embodies all the lessons that we hope to teach our kids through sports and through team athletics, and that is that you will face adversity, you will face failure and disappointment, and it's how you react to it that matters. And while it didn't work at the first couple teams that he went to, he continued to work. He continued to recognize where he get better and learn. And I look at the journey that he traveled, and while it wasn't maybe the road that he would have envisioned when he first got in the league, it was meant to be. And it's what has brought out the best in him and allowed him to play the way that he has, lead the way that he has, and also inspire others the way that he has.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (34:37)

When you think of Drew, when I. When I think Drew Brees, if somebody said, oh, give me a sentence for every quarterback that played, and people said Drew Brees, and I'd be like, that's the most accurate quarterback I've ever seen play. And I've always had this feeling, and I was. I'm clearly wrong, but I always had this feeling I could improve a lot about a quarterback. I can't make you bigger, but if you're not accurate, you're never going to be super accurate like it did well. And by the way, I think accuracy is very important. So you first couple years in the league were around 60%, and then you end as the most accurate quarterback any of us have ever seen. And it was that. And I look at Caleb Williams, people bang on him, and I'm like, well, he's got a lot of horsepower. If he can get to 63%, yeah, I'm kind of good with it. So tell me, you went from like, average 60%. Now, that was a different time in the NFL where that was better than what 60% is today. That was like 65%. But then you became the most accurate guy. Obviously, a lot of it is you and the time and the devotion. But was it also coaching? Wait, tell me how you got to the greatest, most accurate quarterback off. Pretty accurate.

Drew Brees (35:48)

Like, what was It So first off to me, accuracy is trust and anticipation. So it's the trust in the chemistry and the timing that you develop with the guys that you're throwing to your ability, anticipation, what's happening, given your preparation, your knowledge of your own system. I think it's also understanding what wins and loses in, in the NFL and the premium that you put on being in a third and short situation than a third and long situation. Well, what's the difference between that? Well, maybe it was the fact that I took the check down as opposed to taking the risk on that play. Like just because I know I can make that throw. You have to have this internal mechanism that kind of tells you, hey, that's a 1 in 10 completion versus I take this check down and that gets me to third and four. Well, the chances and probabilities of me converting that are much, much higher than being in third and 10. And so like, I'll give you like with Caleb Williams, here's a guy who we watched in college make miraculous plays, like run around and do all kinds of stuff. And I think you get wired a certain way early in your career that hey, this is how I play the game. And then you get into the NFL game and you begin to understand, no, it's about playing within the system. The timing and rhythm with your feet, taking the completions that you need to take. Occasionally you're going to have to, you know, do the kind of the off script stuff, but for the most part the game is won and lost by just staying ahead of the chains, getting the ball in your playmaker's hands, making good decisions and being on time and executing the offense. So I think that, that, that certainly can come. Yes, there's a, you know, there's something to just the, the mechanics. Right. Things that you'll continue. Like towards the end of my career, I was so tuned with my body and like when I would miss a throw, why that was, oh, you know, I, I over, it was too large a stride or my elbow dropped or I didn't have my front foot out in front of the target. Like I could, I could fix problems immediately. Right. Just given the fact that I was so in tune with my body and I knew what would lead to accuracy. So all these things happen with, with time. But I think the coaching part of it is, hey, open receiver, you know, live to play other day, make good decisions, you know, never go broke taking a profit. Completions are at a premium.

Albert Breer (38:14)

Yeah.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (38:15)

By the way, you may be going through the Lincoln Tunnel right now, but I Got to ask you about Street Stretch Zone, a company you're part of. You were all over New York. You were on Wall street today. You were on the morning shows. What is Stretch Zone? He is in the Lincoln Tunnel, isn't he? Yeah, he literally.

Drew Brees (38:33)

That's exactly. Hey, you got me now.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (38:38)

Yes, I got you. You got me.

Drew Brees (38:40)

Am I back? Hey, first off, before I answer that, can we reminisce on the time when literally I was talking to you after we won the super bowl and do you remember that I had to jump off the call because Obama was calling on the other line. Do you, do you remember that? We were in the middle of an interview and I said, colin, I am so sorry, I never thought I would say this, but can I call you back because Obama is calling on the other line to say congratulations. That was probably the first and only time that would ever happen.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (39:13)

Yes, I remember it well. So we got a minute left. Tell me about Stretch Zone.

Drew Brees (39:17)

Yeah, forgive the Lincoln Tunnel there. Yeah. So Stretch Zone is the. Is the largest and fastest growing practitioner led stretching brand in the country. It was something that I utilized towards the end of my career really to gain every advantage that I possibly could with my recovery, with my flexibility, with my mobility. It made such a difference for me that when I got done playing, I actually sought out the owners and the founders of the company to learn more about it. And before I knew it, I was on the business side, on the franchisor side as an investor and ambassador and sitting on the board, helping to grow and scale the business. And I always knew that just from my own personal experience and anecdotally that the practitioner lives. But now we have the research and everything that we just announced to back it up. It shows up to now. People in our study showed increased energy, increased productivity, a higher range of motion, less pain, better sleep, and just an overall better quality of life. So the stretch zone method applies to anybody, whether you're age 13, 113, whatever you're trying to accomplish, whether you're, you know, a weekend warrior, high performance athlete, or just somebody who's getting a little bit older, who's lost the ability to move. Just trying to shave some strokes off your, your, your golf game. It. There's something there for everybody.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (40:35)

Well, whether it's former President Obama or the Lincoln Tunnel, we're occasionally interrupted, but Drew always offers great insight. It's great seeing you, buddy.

Albert Breer (40:43)

As always.

JMac (Jason McIntyre) (40:43)

I appreciate it. And a great way to close today's show, Stretch Zone. Drew Brees, who had such great answers on a variety of topics. I absolutely love that hall of fame Dan Fouth at the door story. That is just. His wife knew. She's setting it up. Come on, guys. Come downstairs. You're being disrespectful. All part of a plan to get Dan Fouts and Drew Brees together for the gold jacket moment. All right, we're done today. Great stuff. Want to thank everybody who stopped by, especially Drew.

Drew Brees (41:12)

It's the her.

Colin Cowherd (41:13)

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