THE HERD - Hour 3 - Former Boise State HC Chris Petersen stops by The Herd

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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: The Herd – Hour 3 – Former Boise State HC Chris Petersen stops by The Herd
Date: December 19, 2025

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Overview

This episode of The Herd features a deeply insightful conversation between Colin Cowherd and legendary former Boise State and Washington head coach Chris Petersen. The discussion centers on the evolving landscape of college football—particularly the College Football Playoff (CFP) era, player development, NFL versus college coaching environments, and significant program jobs. Petersen draws on firsthand experiences and provides behind-the-scenes perspectives on elite football minds, coaching strategies, and changing dynamics driven by NIL and the transfer portal.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Matt Stafford’s Mastery and Rams’ System

[04:00 - 05:35]

• Petersen raves about Matthew Stafford’s intelligence and adaptability in Sean McVay’s complex offensive system:

  “Sean’s got this unbelievable system... a lot of plays are 20 words long. This guy has a photographic memory. He does not wear a wristband... He knows the entire game plan.” — Chris Petersen [04:33]

• Highlights Stafford’s mental processing, arm angles, and routine execution of “no-look” passes as true evidence of NFL greatness.

2. Coaching & Scouting Puka Nacua

[05:35 - 06:49]

• Cowherd notes Petersen recruited and coached Rams WR Puka Nacua at Washington.
• Petersen describes Puka as a high school legend in Utah, noting his rare ability for “body control, strong hands, really great football IQ.”

  “The harder the catch, the more you knew he was going to make it.” — Chris Petersen [05:45]

• Nacua’s freshman-year foot injury halted what Petersen believes could have been a special collegiate career.

3. The College Football Playoff: Bowl Games vs. NFL-Style Playoff

[06:49 - 08:47]

• Petersen discusses how the CFP era is transforming college coaching and preparation:
  • Endorses the NFL-style, multi-game playoff run:

    “You’re coaching it like, okay, we’re going to get a chance to get rested up, recharged, healed up and then we’re going to play this three to four game season...all good on good.” — Chris Petersen [07:21]

  • Opposes long layoffs for first-round bye teams, arguing it disrupts team rhythm.
  • Student-athlete academics: Notes that finals being over allows teams to truly focus, an often-ignored aspect in media discussion.

4. Fernando Mendoza and Indiana’s Rise

[14:33 - 15:54]

• Petersen is surprised at QB Fernando Mendoza’s growth after modest beginnings at Cal:

  “I thought...before Cal was like some good a lot, just good enough to get you beat. Now this guy is truly an elite college player.” — Chris Petersen [14:46]

• Petersen reveals he voted for Mendoza as his Heisman pick, narrowly over Pavia.

5. NIL, Portal Chaos, and NFL vs. College Coaching

[15:54 - 18:08]

• Discusses Marcus Freeman’s situation at Notre Dame and why, in today’s CFB chaos, the NFL is increasingly attractive for young, ambitious coaches:

  “If I’m a Marcus Freeman type...I’m looking really hard at the NFL because it’s just 24/7, 365 of nonsense...Behind the scenes, you can’t make up this stuff.” — Chris Petersen [16:34]

• Describes rampant “tampering” as coaches track and pursue players not yet in the portal.
• Only the alignment of owner and GM at the NFL level rivals the satisfaction of college coaching without off-field headaches.

6. Ohio State vs. Georgia & Coaching Stability

[18:08 - 19:49]

• Petersen breaks down Ohio State’s strengths—talent and QB Julian Sayin (noting how remarkable it is that he’s not a redshirt freshman)—but leans towards Georgia due to Ohio State’s coaching staff upheaval:

  “What I don’t like is the coaches that are moving...I think that is very distracting and unsettling.”
  “I could see Indiana, Georgia in a really cool championship game. But I'm not betting against Kirk Signetti.” — Chris Petersen [18:22]

7. Michigan vs. Alabama: Which Is the Better Job?

[19:49 - 21:48]

• Cowherd poses the blue-blood program comparison.
• Petersen values quality of life, family, and sustainable expectations—chooses Michigan decisively:

  “Well, it’s not close. It would be Michigan.” — Chris Petersen [20:34]

• SEC/Bama intensity is too high, fan expectations relentless, and succession after “the greatest of all time” is daunting, even for elite coaches.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Matt Stafford:

  “It is truly amazing and I have so much appreciation watching this greatness when you get a chance to see behind the scenes a little bit. It is phenomenal.” — Chris Petersen [04:33]

• On College Football’s New Reality:

  “It’s a new season, fresh start. All the things we’ve learned, all the hard things that we've been through, we take those lessons forward and it is all in.” — Chris Petersen [07:56]

• On NFL vs. College Life:

  “It’s just a better way of life right now. And I would never have said that eight years ago.” — Chris Petersen [17:42]

• On Elite Program Succession:

  "Now you’re following the greatest of all time. So how do you meet those standards?" — Chris Petersen [20:37]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Topic | Start Time (MM:SS) | |-------------|-----------|-----------------------| | Introduction of Chris Petersen and Rams talk | Stafford’s brilliance, Puka Nacua | 04:00 | | Puka Nacua’s college origins | Petersen on recruiting and injuries | 05:35 | | College Football Playoff structure | Coaching approach in CFP era | 06:49 | | Indiana’s Fernando Mendoza | Surprise Heisman vote and player growth | 14:33 | | Coaching carousel/NIL/transfer chaos | NFL as an escape for college coaches | 15:54 | | Ohio State & Georgia; Coaching movement impacts | CFP matchups and prediction | 18:08 | | Michigan vs Alabama: Best college job debate | Program culture and coach lifestyle | 19:49 |

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Tone and Delivery

• The exchange is candid, humorous, and laced with deep mutual respect.
• Petersen provides direct, coach’s-eye insights but speaks in a conversational, relatable style.
• Cowherd’s questions seamlessly blend topical analysis with personal curiosity, inviting listeners inside the pressures and pleasures of both NFL and college coaching.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a must-listen for college football fans, coaching insiders, or anyone seeking a primer on how recent changes—expanded playoffs, NIL, the transfer portal—have fundamentally altered the sport’s culture, competitive structure, and career trajectories. Petersen’s unique mix of candor and optimism about the game's future, combined with Cowherd’s sharp, big-picture questions, make for radio that is equal parts informative and entertaining.

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Chris Peterson, 14 years in college football, made a bowl appearance every year, won four games for every one he lost. Four and a half. So one of the great all time college football coaches of all time. He's joining us live from the Pacific Northwest. He was at the Seahawks Rams game. We were talking off air. You know McVeigh pretty well. I asked about the quarterbacks and I want you to share what you did with about Matt Stafford and how blown away you are because you were at the game last night.

[Chris Petersen]

Yeah. So I've had a chance to be around the Rams a little bit over the last couple years, seeing him practice, see how he studies, see how he treats guys and then how he processes. You know, Sean's got this unbelievable system of offensive football, but it's very wordy as well. I mean, a lot of plays are 20 words long. This guy has a photographic memory. He does not wear a wristband to call the plays off. He knows the entire game plan, the arm angles that he throws with, how he processes, how fast he gets through things, the accuracy that he throws. And he's not a runner. It is truly amazing and I have so much appreciation watching this greatness when you get a chance to see behind the scenes a little bit. It is phenomenal. Like this. No, look past that we're looking at. It's crazy. Like he does it every game. It is a true master of his craft every Sunday.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

For the record, you coached Puka at Washington. You recruited him, got him. Tell me what you thought of him as a true freshman in Seattle.

[Chris Petersen]

Well, we played him as a true freshman and we had some pretty good receivers, I'll say that. And I saw this in high school. I think he was the all time leading high school receiver in the state of Utah. And you'd see him catch these phenomenal passes. The harder the catch, the more you felt like he was going to make it. And then he comes up here to Washington and it was the same thing. He just made all these tough catches. The harder the catch, the more you knew he was going to make it. The body control, strong hands, really great football, IQ of feeling the game. Yeah, it was a blessing to be able to coach him for the short time that I did.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

I remember that team. You had some NFL receivers and he played as a freshman, I remember that. Yep.

[Chris Petersen]

And he was just starting to come on halfway through his freshman year and he ended up breaking his foot, just planning weird so you could feel all this, that he was going to just do some really, really special things.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

So you go to the College Football Playoff and it's different than a bowl game. I mean you had great bowl success now, now especially if you're in Oregon or Georgia, Ohio State, you got. You could have three, four games back to back. How would. It's very NFL and I. That's why I like that. Ryan Day went and got Chip Kelly, NFL experience, Matt Patricia, NFL experience. I do think it's different than your old bowl style. How would you coach a little different knowing it could be the first of two, three or four games?

[Chris Petersen]

Yeah, I think you're coaching it like, okay, we're going to get a chance to get rested up, recharged, healed up a little bit and then we're going to play this three to four game season. But it's all good on good. So I don't like the huge layoffs, you know that some of these buy teams have. I think you get there, everybody that's got a buy is in a great rhythm right now. And now all you're doing is taking them out of the rhythm. So I think that's. And we saw it last year a little bit because of the matchups were uneven. But you know, we saw some of these seeded teams that had buys lose and everything was going on. Well, part of it is you lose your rhythm and So I think it's a new season, fresh start. All the things that we've learned, all the hard things that we've been through, we take those lessons forward and it is all in all we got. The cool thing is, is now school is now behind us. I know nobody talks about academics anymore in college football and college athletics, but that is real and that is a thing. And so now finals are behind us and we can just go and it's kind of pro football ish being at our best. You always as a coach want to think one of the things always, whether you're playing in a bowl game before college football playoffs, are we playing our best at the end of the year? That is a goal. And I think everybody that's, you know, in this tournament is doing that.

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Max, you saw Fernando Mendoza Cal, and he wasn't this good. Are you surprised at his growth? Because you saw him at Cal and it was up and down.

[Chris Petersen]

I am so surprised at the entire Indiana program. Like last year when Signetti came in there, I was like, yeah, wow. He kind of hit it big and that was impressive. And then to come back and do it again. And you're right, I did get a chance to watch Fernando at Cal and it was like, wow, what an impressive throw. But then he'd have some throws or some things that would kind of really hurt him. And how he's grown in this Indiana offense with Signetti and company has been nothing short of amazing. I mean it really was. I thought, you know, before Cal was like some good a lot, just good enough to get you beat. Now this guy is truly an elite college player. I mean he can move good. The accuracy doesn't have a cannon for an arm, but it's plenty strong enough and throws like this.

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[Chris Petersen]

I mean I've been so, so impressed and you know I had a chance this Year, actually to vote for the Heisman Trophy. And I mean, I went back so hard between Pavia and him, and I actually did vote for Fernando as the, as the winner with a super, super close second to Poppy up.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

You know, it's interesting. The nil Marcus Freeman's name gets mentioned. They're one of the last teams that didn't make it. And I look at it and I think, well, he can make a lot of money, but he's making a lot of money now. He can control personnel. But college football, some would say it's like a poor man's NFL. You're paying everybody. You know, it's constant free agency. But some coaches, I mean, Signetti may like it. He's older, he doesn't want to just do recruiting for high school. He may like, he may like to write some checks and not have to go on the road as much. For a guy like Marcus Freeman who's got the young guy energy, would you consider the NFL or stay at Notre Dame?

[Chris Petersen]

I love Marcus Freeman. I like Notre Dame a lot. I think it's really a bummer that they are left out of this playoff because I look at it like this. This is a team that could have a chance to win the tournament and you're left out. That hurts. Now should, in my opinion, they have gone in over Miami. No, Miami beat him and everything. There was enough closeness between it. Like if we beat you and our records are the same and schedules are similar, I should go in. But I'm just saying this, Colin. I mean, I think college football is so nuts right now and so crazy. If I'm a Marcus Freeman type, young coach, big career in front of me, I'm looking really hard at the NFL because it's just, it's just 24, 7, 365 of nonsense. The good part is Saturdays, when we get to play the game, we all love them, the coaches love them. But the behind the scenes, it's like, you can't make up this stuff. What's going on? Coaches right now are looking at players to add to their team. Of players that aren't even in the portal yet. They got a list of, oh, here's the good running backs, here's the good receivers. And they're not in the portal, but they know that they can go bid them right into the portal. And it's just the crazy. I mean, that's the tip of the iceberg. So if I had an owner that I thought was outstanding and the gm and I'm soul to soul and got Alignment with that. I'm looking really hard at the NFL because it's just a better way of life right now. And I would never have said that eight years ago.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

I think Ohio State's the best team, Indiana maybe. To talk about the Buckeyes, do you. Would you favor them going in? Because Georgia's good, but they're not Georgia. Three years ago, Georgia won a lot of close games.

[Chris Petersen]

I think this is interesting because I think you're talking about the right thing. When I look at this tournament, I kind of have it a lot. Like you had your picks. I can't wait to see this Georgia, Ohio State matchup. I mean, that is going to be for real. And I have loved Ohio State all year long. I think Julian saying is so good. I cannot believe the kids are not a red shirt freshman. And the weapons that he has to throw to the running games coming along. So I've been all about Ohio State all year long. But I'm changing my pick here because what I don't like is the coaches that are moving, that have taken head jobs that are moving on or the head coaches that are moving on. I think that is very distracting and unsettling. And the fact that, you know, Brian Hartline did a great job. He's got a new job. Whether he's with him or not, I think that that's, that's a big thing. So I think Georgia's been so sneaky good all year long. I probably like Georgia maybe over Ohio State right now. And I'm really surprised I'm even saying that. And so I could see Indiana, Georgia in a really cool championship game. But I'm not betting against Kirk Signetti. I mean, I've been doing that for too long now. And that guy just keeps proving everybody wrong and himself and his team. Right?

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Finally, Michigan job is open. Let's say Kaylin DeBoer loses tonight. Michigan calls him up and said, kaylin, we want you. Whether he takes it or not. There's an argument. I remember talking to coaches about this. They're like, the SEC is different. The Big Ten's intense, but Michigan's not Bama on the intensity scale. As a former coach, they're both blue bloods. Michigan, Bama coin flip, which would wish to use a better job, Family, life, weather, intensity, competition. What's the better job.

[Chris Petersen]

For me? Is that what we're saying or Caitlin or for you?

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Your general opinion for you, what would you take?

[Chris Petersen]

Well, it's not close. It would be Michigan.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

All right.

[Chris Petersen]

You know, it just means more in SEC like they are for real. Those fans are so unforgiving. It is win now and now you're following the greatest of all time. So how do you meet those standards? And the fact that people even talking about, well if he doesn't win this game against Oklahoma, maybe it's time. Well, are we not just, even if he does win it, are we just not prolonging that conversation for next season or a game or two later like all or nothing mentality like that is a very hard way to exist. And so I just, I think that is the. If there's anybody that could fit it, it's Kaylin. He's such a special person. He's one of the best coaches in the country. I just think that job is so difficult and Michigan's been, you know, down a bit by their standards since, you know, last couple years. And I think the fan base still expectations kind of unrealistic like all true great fan bases are. But it does seem like that is could fit pretty well.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Yeah, same thing. Chris Peterson, you look great. I know you're happy. You still do some stuff obviously with us at FOX at the University of Washington. And it's just great to see a happy holidays to you and the fam.

[Chris Petersen]

Appreciate you calling you too. And this is the fun time of year because now football gets really good.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

It does. It's college with a little touch of NFL, the playoff format. Good stuff. Chris Peterson. Yeah, the Bama Oklahoma games. The hard one for me is I probably take the better defense at home. Oklahoma's had Alabama's number, but Kaylin DeBoer will have these halves. Like the first half. I would take Alabama because I saw what they did at Georgia in the first half. Kalin's game plans. I watched them at Washington. They are wicked. I think it's a really close, really close game. I don't think Oklahoma can win a shootout. So if it gets high scoring, you take Bama. Feels 24, 23 to me. J. Mac with the news.

[Chris Petersen]

No, no, no, turn on the news.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

This is the Herd line news. All right, Collins, sneaky. Good game. Sunday on Fox, Chargers at the Cowboys. Cowboys. It's kind of buried in the deck in the early games and it's interesting because it's a good clash in that the Chargers defense has been lights out. They've really shut down in recent weeks. The Eagles as well as the Chiefs. Here's the problem. The offense is sputtering. Here's Jim Harbaugh talking about what the offense has been like the last couple weeks.

[Chris Petersen]

Chiefs and the Eagles, I think they would love to have our, our offensive production in those two games and those are really, really good teams.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Yeah.

[Chris Petersen]

Do you think the Eagles would have rather had our offensive production or theirs?

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Both.

[Chris Petersen]

Chiefs ours or theirs. And, and against two really good defenses specifically playing winning football. Specific as you could be.

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[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

If we're giving awards. Colin, quarterback speaker of the year at the podiums. Dak Coach speaker has to be Jim Harbaugh. I mean every week he's coming up with funny stuff, little digs there. Now listen, the offense has been sputtering lad McConkey has been a ghost. He's not doing anything around a Gadsden hasn't done much. I mean Keenan Allen, like the offense just isn't producing. Can they keep up with Dallas on the road here?

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Yeah, I mean I think it's a much better defense, coaching edge, defensive edge. And again, the games now matter a lot for the Chargers. Now, now Dallas, you know, with a defensive coordinator getting called out by Jerry Jones, you'll probably get an inspired effort by Dallas. But I, you know, when I get a quarterback coach defense edge and Dax played well, I'd probably take the Chargers.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Yeah, it's interesting. So Jesse Minter, I believe he's, he's going to be like the number one candidate for many teams. Colin, if you watch that. The Chiefs were up 13, three and a half. Jesse Minter's defense held the Chiefs to zero points in the second half in arrowhead with the season on the line, this quarter scheme that he's got cooking up. Jalen Hurts had his worst game of the season. I mean, listen, I, I don't know what to tell you. This defense, if they could contain Dallas, I think you've got to consider Minter the favorite for, for either Tennessee.

[Chris Petersen]

Yeah.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Or Dallas or one of these jobs. I mean he's just been outstanding. I was leaning Cowboys, but probably a pass for me. Next up, let's go to Jackson. Dart, you seem to think that there's something there, a kernel of a franchise quarterback. Yeah, you know, we'll see. Interestingly, this year's hard knocks in season, there was a fascinating clip that circulated about Dan Quinn as well as the commander's defensive coordinator encouraging their players to treat Dart like a running back. They essentially were saying, don't worry about the passing. He's a running back. Here's Dart's reaction to hearing these coaches essentially say treat him like a running back. No, absolutely. Absolutely not. I mean Kirby Smart said the exact same thing every Time that he played against me. So did Nick Saban, so did every coach that I played in college. So this is nothing new. You know, just try to, you know, go out there, play smart and be available for your team. It just gets me excited. I mean, just as a competitor, you want to go out there and compete and, you know, obviously, like, they're acknowledging respect, you know, in a way, too. So, you know, I appreciate that. Defiant that at all or.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

No, No. I mean, listen, I think it helped. He played for a very smart offensive coach in Lane Kiffin, so I think he is ahead of the curve where most rookies are, and he's been better than I thought.

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You know, I thought he was an NFL quarterback, but I didn't think he'd have a 94 passer rating his last five games. He's played really, really well. I like. I like his movement. You know, the blue tent stuff is the league's fast. Linebackers and safeties get on you really fast. And Justin Herbert had some of these early year Drake May, where you take shots you shouldn't take. But last five games, completion percentage, 10 to 1, TD to interception ratio. You can't deny the numbers. And this is a team without a number one back, a number one dominant tight end, or a number one receiver.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Interesting. I'm looking at the last five games he played in. So they lost to Washington, lost to the Patriots, lost to the Bears, lost to the Niners. Are you detecting a theme? Lost to the Eagles. So I know the numbers appear good, but on a down to down basis, they're not that good. Dart. And again, I know you like him, Collins. Early in the season, I was like, oh, this guy's got something. I wonder if defenses have caught up to him, because I'm not seeing as much of a threat now. There's no scaboo. There's no neighbors. To be fair.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Well, that's our two best players. He doesn't have his two best guys.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Pretty much. Does dart remind you of, like, a Cobra Kai from the movie Karate Kid? He's got, like, the blonde hair, the kind of defiant. He's puffing the chest out. He looks like. I know you laugh when I say this, but he looks like a cool guy.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

You know, Hiram, honestly, he reminds me of a more athletic Baker Mayfield. I think he. I think he's a. I think he's a better runner than Baker. Maybe not, but he reminds me a little bit of Baker Mayfield. Little chip on his shoulder. He's a better runner than Baker is, but he's he's can be a little reckless sometimes with his body. Baker similarly knocked out his shoulder, squaring up a safety after a pick. There's a little Baker Mayfield here.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

It reminds me of my kid as well. Just he has all the answers. It just Jackson Dart looks like he knows everything. Ellen, we're going to be talking about this game in headlines very shortly.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Okay.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

All right, let's go. Let's go to the final story here, and that is Pittsburgh and Detroit. Actually pretty good game. And you know what? This is going to be in headlines next next segment as well. I don't know what to make of the Lions and you know, are they going to get back into the playoff mix? Well, Aiden Hutchison gave us a good soundbite. He said the last time he faced Aaron Rodgers, it was in his rookie year. And you know what he did? He picked off the hall of Famer as a rook. Here's Hutchinson talking about matching up with Rodgers.

[Chris Petersen]

I'd love if he threw me another one. That'd be, that'd be great. But no, it's, he's a competitor, man, and he's, he's been doing it at.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

A high level for a long time.

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So we all have a ton of respect for him. And, you know, that's, he's, he's a, he's a focus this week for sure.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Did you, did you have this in. Blazing, blazing 5.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

I forgot it was the last one I dropped. I like Detroit got up to seven and I said I'll pass.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Yeah, you're looking at that. Steelers injury report off the short week. Take a gander at that. All right, well, we'll have an update for you shortly, but I, I think there's a good game. Is Detroit dead, though, in the nfc? I don't know if they can get back in.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

I mean, they're, they just don't look like. They don't look like the Rams or Seattle, I'll tell you that. They don't look like that.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Do they look like Chicago? Can we get to that level? Forget the Rams.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Yeah, they look more like Chicago. Flawed but good. Yeah.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Is that a good offensive coordinator job, by the way?

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Detroit? Yeah, very.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

They should be able to get whoever they want. I mean, Goff Gibbs, Amaranth Porter will be back next year. Jameson Williams, like they've got all the pieces. Yeah.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

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Next week is Christmas week. J Mac and I yuletide spirit. But not today, not now. It is week 16. We call it tomorrow's headlines today and let's roll it J. Mac tomorrow on Fox. Packers at the Bears. Who you got?

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Yeah, great game on Saturday. I know you'll be really locked in for this. Rooting for your Bears. The headline for Packers Bears on Fox will be Ben if it's package, bears get more PTO playoff time off. I'm rocking with you on this one. I like Chicago to get a little revenge on the Packers. Now, I do have to admit there was a great sound bite from Jeff Halfley. I think you talked about it. The packers defensive coordinator, essentially, he's like, I prepared from February to August for a defense in Green Bay that would not have Micah Parsons because he was still on Dallas. So I don't think there's a massive drop off for the Packers. The problem is the injuries are mounting, right? I mean, we're seeing the safety, Williams, he's out. He's leading them in interceptions. And then how do you get past pressure on Caleb Williams without Micah Parsons?

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

The Bears O line's been great this year.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Yeah, they didn't have to blitz at all with Micah. So ultimately I think Caleb in the run game will be fine. But for me, the big one is I think Dennis Allen learned his lesson in the earlier meeting. You can't blitz Jordan Love. You can't leave your DBs on an island against Christian Watson. Now, the good news is Watson may not play. It's looking like he's touch and go. But they're also down Zach Tom, the offensive lineman, I do believe 42% last time they blitzed Love. That number's got to drop way down. Colin Love is just going to kill them on the back end. So I'll go Bears in a low scoring affair, maybe a 1916 thriller.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Tomorrow's headlines today, Vikings and J.J. mcCarthy against the Giants.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Two teams with nothing to play for. But, oh, this is going to be fun because, you know, I'm a J.J. mcCarthy guy. You're a Jackson Dart guy. We're head to head. The headline for the Vikings at the Giants will be we built this gritty Minnesota rocks and skulls over New York. Colin, I got a fun number for you. Okay. Brian Flores, great defensive coordinator. They haven't Been at full strength much of the season. They're. They're cooking right now. He is against rookie quarterbacks. 7, 2 and 2 against the spread. And how about this? Straight up 10 and 1 in his career against rookie quarterbacks. He's got intricate schemes. The rookies never know where the blitz is coming from. Van Grinkle, the awesome edge rusher. You don't know where he's coming from. And I think Dart's really going to struggle here also. I'll just say this about J.J. mcCarthy. I know we've kind of pushed it to the back burner because they're eliminated. He has shown really well the last couple weeks now. Go ahead, go ahead.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

I mean, it is against Dallas and the commander's defense also true.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Well, you know what? It's not like the Giants are any better. They're 31st in the league in past defense, so they're not stopping anybody. And I do. I know I sound like the boy who cried wolf. Hey, Justin Jefferson. He's due. It's going to work. I think this is the week that he catches fire in New York. I like the Vikings here and somewhat convincingly.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Tomorrow's headlines today, Joe Burrow and the Bengals off a shutout, angry at Miami and Quinn Ewers.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Yeah, Joe Burrow very talkative. I wonder what the media is going to ask him about after this one. The headline for Bengals at Dolphins will be Quinn and out. Bengals devour Dolphins animal style. Little hamburger action for you there, Colin. I like the bangle. This is my first bet of the week. Before they made the quarterback change. It's now up to four and a half. We don't know what Quinn Ewers is going to do. He was a highly claimed high school kid. He was good at Texas. I think he got to the playoff twice. Here's my thing. This is a perfect setup for Ewers to do some damage. The Bengals defense stinks. We know this. But I do believe Burrow, he's not be able to keep up with Burrow. Colin, the news just broke. Minka Fitzpatrick will not play for the Dolphins this week. He's injured. And the leading tackle on the Dolphins, Jordan Brooks, he's actually the number one tackler in the NFL. He's tbd. He's missed practice all week. He's out there today. If they're down their two best defenders, Burrow and Chase, are going to catch fire in the warm weather. Remember, you don't show well last week. If you're Burrow, you bounce back strong. I would not be Surprised If Cincinnati hung a 40 burger on Miami Short week. Give me the Bengals here.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Tomorrow's headlines today. I know where you're leaning here, chief. At the lowly Tennessee Titans.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Oh, I thought you were going to say that Titans hosting the lowly Chiefs, but that's a little harsh. I don't want your guy Nick to feel too bad. The headline for Chiefs at Titans will be we are never, ever, ever gonna play together. Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey. It's done. They're never gonna play together again. Kelsey we know is gonna be bouncing to be a celebrity and a podcaster after the season. Colin is a little bit sad. Gardner Minshew getting the start. Mahomes obviously just had surgery this week. But I gotta ask you, the Chiefs offense stunk with Mahomes. What are they going to do with Gardner Minshew? And the Chiefs just announced, Colin, moments ago that these players did not practice today. Right tackle Juwan Taylor. Swing tackle Jalen Moore. Rasheed Rice concussed TYQUAN Thornton concussed two other defenders, and oh, by the way, a third in Trent McDuffie. They could be down six starters against the Titans. This line was four and a half. Three and a half. It's a three. I mean, Tennessee on the money line is going to be live. And here's a fun number. I know the Titans stink during the mix for the number one pick. Colin, we just heard from the former Washington coach talking about how you end the season. Did you know in the last six games, the Titans are 41 and 1 against the spread and that's facing five playoff teams. So they're trying hard still. I just wonder what the mindset is from the Chiefs. Hey, we're in the AFC Championship every, every year now we got to play the Titans for meaning nothing. Listen, if you're into alt lines, Tennessee by double digits. Is that in play here? I don't know. I mean, this literally could be one of the bigger surprises of the season. But I like Tennessee to win outright.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Tomorrow's headlines today. I. I like the Lions. Here it was the last blazing 5 pick. I did not pick. What say you?

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Yeah, well, we went with a six pack this week because I'm kind of feeling myself, you know, it's. It's December getting excited. Here we go. The headline for Steelers at the Lions will be he who smelt it dealt it. Lions turn Steel Curtain into Tin foil. I like Detroit here laying a touchdown. Colin, again, it is a short week for Pittsburgh. You've got an old quarterback going into a Dome to face Aiden Hutchison. Okay, we know the Steelers offensive line's been mediocre. Aiden Hutchison is an animal coming off the edge. And I do wonder that Detroit offense. Colin, we saw them light the Rams up last week. 24 points in the first half. What are they going to do to a Steelers defense? By the way, her big trending toward not playing TJ Watt not going to play. I don't see how the Lions can't pick their number here in one of the highest totals on the board. Give me the Lions here.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Finally, tomorrow's headlines. Today I think the Patriots win close against the Ravens. Ravens passing game and passing defense are broke. What do you make of it?

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

You know I kind of, I saw your pick here, I was like let me just crowbar in another one. I'm feeling myself. The headline for Ravens Patriots will be Ravens glare Lamar bombs in air Pat Stars get spangled. Colin, I'm worried about your Patriots. Okay. That second half against Buffalo. How can you not ignore that? They could not stop Josh Allen, a running quarterback. Josh Allen 11 carries last week. Enter Lamar Jackson who has not run well this season. No, but this sets up for a spot. Lamar, hey, carry us the way Josh did. You're a two time mvp. And oh by the way the Patriots I looked at their schemes. A lot of too high safety, a lot of zone invites, running games. Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson should go for a buck 50 to 200 year. I'm gonna go with the Ravens now I'm probably an idiot feeling like okay, the Ravens, you know Colin, this is still has the nucleus of a good team. I still believe they get in the playoffs. They're dangerous. We don't think Pittsburgh is. I do, I don't know if you think the Ravens are dangerous but Lamar.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Jackson, I respect them but I the Cincinnati game, Cincinnati had no juice. Was not ready to play. I don't make a take a lot out of it. And also New England won like 10 games in a row. They are really well coached, really well. Quarterback over the last five games, Lamar is completing 55% of his throws. Drake May 70 it just feels like to me New England will be able to play a little keep away, move the chains underneath stuff. I think it's low scoring. I think it's good. I just didn't like the number. I thought three was too many to give. A great coaching staff and a productive offense.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

By the way, the dead last in red zone defense. New England Patriots they're giving up touchdowns on 75% of red zone trips. So I know. So this, everything lines up for Lamar here. And by the way, you, you gotta admit, you would love to see Week 18, 49ers versus Seahawks for the number one seed and Steelers, Ravens for a playoff spot.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

That would be great. That would be great. Nice job. College football playoff tonight. I think what's interesting is if Kaylin DeBoer loses as Alabama's coach, there's a lot of belief that he will go to Michigan. I think Michigan, Alabama, historically is the better job, but I think there's a little bit more. Michigan is a blue blood, a northern. Huge endowment money, never a short shortage. Great school, great history. I think the Big Ten's got more money right now than the SEC does with its top schools. I would take the Michigan job. Michigan's athletic department had some real missteps. So I think Ohio State wins the Natty. I think Julian sand will handle it. I don't think George is as good as previous years. A lot of close wins and I think, I think Oregon, Texas Tech in the semifinals is fascinating.

[Fox Sports Radio Analyst]

Let me ask you on deboer, do you think he's taking that job, like soon or would he wait for the AD to get booted because there's been so many scandals? Apparently the hockey team had a scandal. We know the basketball stuff with Juwan Howard. Like the whole athletic department's had a lot of issues. I wonder if Deborah says, let me just wait for you guys to find your ad, then I'll come on board.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Yeah, I mean, I, you gave me those, that quarterback for Michigan and those receivers. And I'm an offensive coach. I'd want to get my hands on that. And by the way, Sharon Moore and Harbaugh, he's got some players still in that program. They recruited at a very high level. And so I mean, listen, the Big Ten, you got to pay. You got to face Oregon now and USC now and, and Washington now. It's in. Indiana is a power. So both jobs, you have brutal schedules. I, I think if I was Caleb DeBoer and my history was northern schools, I would probably take the Michigan job. That's, that's probably what I would do. So. Can't wait. Have a great weekend.

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