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THE HERD - Hour 3 - Fox Sports NFL analyst Greg Olsen stops by The Herd
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Greg Olson
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
Now let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. My name is Major Daniel Copeland, Task.
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Greg Olson
Force Thunder at Camp Arif John, Kuwait. I want to wish a happy Veterans.
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Colin Cowherd
Day to all my friends and family back home, especially fellow veterans serving in the Kansas Army National Guard. Thanks to those who serve. Fox Sports salutes the men and women of great honor diligence. Thank you for all you do. Greg Olson, boy, he's getting good assignments. Seahawks, Rams this week, maybe the game of the year. Bears Giants last week. So we got a lot to address. Let's start. I want to do Bears Giants. I want to get that out of the way. So you have been an advocate for stop kicking field goals. This is not the future. And and it's interesting. In the Bears Giants game they had an opportunity to go for it. The New York Giants did and Brian Dabel elects. Now we're going to go for three. And we've been talking about this, the blue tent stuff with Jackson Dart that decision just gut feeling when they got rid of him because they by the way, they've had 10 point leads on several teams but now without Scatter boo they can't kill the clock. They're not really built now to get a lead and then just ball control it. They're not unless Jackson Dart runs and that's problematic because you get dinged up. Why do you think in the end they moved off Dable?
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Greg Olson
Yeah, because I think Dable is a really good football coach. I think Dable is a really good quarterback developer. I mean you look what he did with Josh Allen you look what he did with, you know, with what he's doing with Jackson Dart. He obviously was the one who really wanted dirt in the first place. I think it really just came down to the expert, you know, the powers to be just determined. There's obviously a breakdown in our inability to finish these games. I mean to lose the four games that they did with double digit leads. Of course Denver being the biggest kind of head scratcher. I don't think this had anything to do with. They don't think Dable is a good offensive play caller, that he's not a good quarterback developer, that he's not getting the best out of Jackson Dart and you know a supporting cast that with Scatter Boo out and Malik Neighbors, you know with the group around him is not particular particularly dynamic and explosive. They're still in the ability to get leads in the game. I think they're looking at it as our decision making. Our game management, our processes towards the end are just obviously not where they need to be. And I think if they were they'd have maybe four more wins if they're being greedy but at least two or three and I. So I think it's more about overall management of games decision making more of that than it is the pure X's and O's, the development of the quarterback. So I think that was probably the, the final straw. And of course the field goal was a big storyline. We covered it at length. That's a larger story going on all across the league. It kind of played itself out as it, you know, in a moment there in the fourth quarter of the Giants game, kicking from goal to go. I would never kick a field goal goal to go unless it was to literally win the game. But that's a longer conversation with the new kickoff rules and field position and strategy. But it's hard to say it came down to one decision. I think that was a factor in it. I really just think it was the totality of the entire situation over the last couple years they felt that there was more wins. That ended up being the case.
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Colin Cowherd
How do you explain Caleb Williams? JJ McCarthy is good on script, bad off it. Caleb actually has been great late over the last several weeks. How do you explain that? What did your eyes see? What? Why the struggles and then all of a sudden in the fourth quarter he does a Bo Nix, he does a Peyton Manning. He's like okay, I'm just going to control the game every snap.
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Greg Olson
He was incredible. That that is the bet. Now granted I haven't watched every snap of every moment since he's come into the league. Call it the last year and a half, that was by far the best Caleb Williams performance in his young career. And you know, you can look at last year and you know there was a lot of chaos going on and your coach is getting fired and offensive coordinator changes. But if we just say, okay, this year is his first year of stability, first year with Ben Johnson, this is the Caleb we're going to evaluate. It's not even close. I mean his ability, they were historically bad last year, Colin taking sacks and part of that is his willingness to play off script and his ability to extend plays and he brings a lot of the pressure on himself. But this year, I mean, the Giants had him dead to rights 10 times. They could not get him on the ground. And then the piece that came together for him, especially in the fourth quarters, not only could they not get him on the ground, his ability to drive the ball accurately in scramble drill downfield, I mean if his receivers, they had six drops, by far the most of the year for them, I think they only had seven coming into the game. Drops were an issue. It was cold, it was windy, but it had no impact on his ability to drive the ball. Be on time now. Do you want to play off script football? Is that sustainable over long periods of time? No. We have seen that time and time again. There has to be an element of, there has to be an element of rhythm, there has to be an element of timing. And I think that's still the balance that Ben Johnson is trying to bring out of Caleb. I think though, when things break down in today's NFL, which is going to be often, pass protection is very difficult. The rushers are very good, scheme is good. You have to have a quarterback that can make second, second level plays. Meaning it's not the initial read, it's not the initial timing. I got a playoff script. He can do that as well as anyone as they continue to get him into more of the on time rhythm component of Ben Johnson's drop that game, if that continues to develop. That's what Chicago thought they were drafting last year.
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Colin Cowherd
So I said I felt like watching Green Bay and Philadelphia. I was watching kind of the same thing is that both these quarterbacks when they had elite rushing games last year were really excellent. But they're not Mahomes or Lamar or Allen. Is that if you take the running game away from both, they're good, but you see the holes. So I could blame Leflore, I could blame the injuries, but Green Bay to me Their inability to run the ball puts more pressure, more throws on Jordan and I think he's a really good quarterback. But in my life, Greg, there's been about five quarterbacks that Joe Burrow can get to the super bowl with an atrocious O line that can win games like Justin Herbert without a run game or his tackles. That's very unique. There's five or six guys on the planet and I think Hertz and Love are good, but the run games for both have disappeared and that means more on them. That's my view. And that that's maybe not what they are. I mean, I can't explain Green Bay's offense outside of that. What, what do you see?
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Greg Olson
Yeah, I had the Green Bay game, so I saw him two weeks ago in the home loss in Lambeau to the Panthers, which, you know, they only scored 13 points. So they've scored 20 points in the last two games. With going into the Panther game, watching Jordan Love this year, just the eye test and then diving into some of the more metric driven analysis of just evaluating quarterbacks. You know, looking past pass protection, looking past opened routes by scheme. Like there's a lot of ways to really like determine how much of this is quarterback driven and how much of this is scheme and environment driven by all metrics, film and advanced study. Going into that Panthers game, I thought, I thought Jordan Love was a top five quarterback in the league this season through at the time it was seven or eight games. I thought he was playing as well as anybody across the league. And then what we've seen the last two weeks is you mentioned the run game and I think there's two, there's two components to that conversation. Right? There's a lot to be discussed about run game value and importance. Run game matters. Let's. Right, it does matter. If you are Jonathan Taylor and Saquon Barkley last year where they're ripping off these large chunk explosive plays and they're running for 50 yard touchdowns and 40 yard touchdowns. You think back to Saquon in the playoffs last year through their super bowl victory, like yes, the run game was so valuable because those 4050 yard touchdowns he's running for are better than any pass play. But that is so hard to rely on. Very few teams have a back in a system that can generate those plays. So all of a sudden you start saying, okay, what is the value of the run game? We saw both teams last night really commit to staying true to the run because the score allowed them. But then you look up at the scoreboard and it's three nothing at the end of the first half. So at the end of the day in the regular season, scoring points is directly tied to passing game and explosive run game. If you don't do those two things, you are not going to score. You might have good time of possession, you might run for a lot of total gross yards. You are not going to score points in the regular season, which is an offensive driven time of year. Now postseason run games more valuable. Defense is more valuable because we've gotten rid of all the bad teams. All the bad teams are home sitting on the couch. It's now just good versus good. It's not just what offenses can throw and score a lot of points. There's more value to it. So I think they've got to get back to putting the ball in Jordan Love's hand on first and second down. Not being in second and eight because every first down is a run. Continue to push the ball downfield, continue to give his guys chances like that. Run game will get better the more aggressive they are with their early down passing game. I think everyone always wants to look at it the other way. Like we're going to run them into run defenses and then I'm going to throw the ball over their head. When in reality, the more I fear your passing game, the more favorable situations. Both personnel. You're going to play a lot of nickel against me. A lot of little bodies on the field. I'll run at that. And light boxes. All of a sudden now my passing game leads to my run game getting better. And it's typically not the other way around most of the time.
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Colin Cowherd
Seahawks, Rams. That is, that's an assignment that is going to be wild. Seattle's been a bit more reckless than the Rams. Rams are young on defense, not on offense. The Seahawks are young everywhere. Go to your youngest team. Green Bay's young and they're inconsistent. Do you worry about in the end with Seattle is, you know, you got Stafford and you got Haven Stein, right tackle and you got Devonte. There's a lot of beards. There's a lot of old guys in this league. Seattle is kids. And JSN and Darnold still relatively young and their best offensive lineman's a rookie and their corners are young. How do you view the game in Seattle's youth? Because I think Seattle is stunning. A lot of people, we all knew the Rams would be fine. I don't think most people thought the Seahawks could arguably the best, be the best team in the league.
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Greg Olson
Yeah, first off, we're beyond excited. We've been thinking about this game since they gave us the matchup a week or two ago. I think it's the best matchup of the year. Now, how does the game play out and how does it live up? Nobody knows. But I would make the argument these are two of the top three teams. At worst. I could probably make a really strong argument. It's one and two in any particular order. I think they're so good on both sides of the ball. I think your point about Seattle's youth is real, but on some of the best teams that I've been on there is kind of like a ignorance is bliss to youth, where they're young, they're energetic, they're athletic, they're living, and they're loving every moment of this. We're like, they almost don't even realize how hard what they're doing is. They don't realize how hard it is to win at this level. Like, all they know is success. All they know is winning because they haven't been in the league long enough to have those scars. There's a power to that, right? There's a beauty to that where we don't have to undo any of these bad habits. We don't need to undo any of these bad moments because you played on another bad team, you know, five years ago. So I think they are young. I think they're extremely talented. They've got a lot of star young players at multiple positions on both sides of the field. And I give McDonald. McDonald, I give him a lot of credit. After one year of being a head coach, he took a look at his offense last year and said, you know what? This is not where we want to be. And Gino did not play bad by any stretch of the imagination. And as an organization with Schneider, and then they said, you know what? We need a change of pace offensively. They go out and they get Kubiak from New Orleans, who took the lead by storm as a play caller early the year, kind of fizzled when he lost Derek Carr. They saw through that. They said his vision of offense is what we want to be here. We want to be under center. We want to be play action. We want to be explosive passing game. They get a lot of those big bodies. They put you in base defense to throw the ball against you. It's a really popular strategy that's becoming more, you know, kind of popular throughout the league. I love. And then defensively, you know, with a defensive head coach, they're always going to put their identity there. They're going to play fast. Witherspoon's a stud like demarcus Lawrence. What a great signing that. We've seen him kill people for years in Dallas. Like, it is a really fun team to watch. They're good on both sides of the ball and everything. I just said if you just swapped out the rams, maybe outside of some of the youth, it's the exact same story. So yeah, it's, it's in my mind it's the best matchup of the year with two of the best three or four teams. If we're being conservative in the entire.
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
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Katie Couric
On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress and he can stand pack a rally with people a quarter of his age.
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Colin Cowherd
Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.
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Katie Couric
His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.
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Colin Cowherd
Does that sound like a radical idea, Katie? Is that too far left for you?
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Katie Couric
Okay, okay, I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course the government shutdown. Not to mention the current state of the Democratic party.
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Colin Cowherd
To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.
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Katie Couric
Open your free iHeartRadio app search next Question with Katie Couric and listen. Now.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka Walley, a double board certified physician.
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And I'm Hari Kondabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am on health stuff, we're.
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Colin Cowherd
Talking about health in a different way.
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
It's not only about what we can do to improve our health, but also.
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Colin Cowherd
What our health says about us and the way we're living.
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
Like our episode where we look at.
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Colin Cowherd
Diabetes in the United states. I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
How preventable is type 2?
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Colin Cowherd
Extremely. Or our in depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are.
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
Oh, it's hard to explain to rest of the world that like your mangoes are fine because mangoes are incredible. But like, you don't even know.
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Colin Cowherd
You don't know.
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Greg Olson
You don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
It's going to be a fun ride.
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
So tune in, listen to health stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, when you were in Chicago or Carolina, I don't have the exact years, but Stafford was in the league. He was losing a lot of games in Detroit. So when you, you had Cam and again, Detroit wasn't talked about. But as a tight end and as a guy who really studies and thinks the game, did you know Stafford was this good? Like they was losing, but were you down? I don't know if you were Chicago, Carolina could have been both. And you had Aaron Rodgers dominating the division and you had Brady and you had Manning and all these guys. And there was that guy up in Detroit and he was young and he was out of Georgia. Did you ever think he'd be this.
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Greg Olson
I'll tell you what's so funny about the quarterback position. And we still do it today. We do it all the time on both ends of the spectrum. We assume quarterbacks on bad teams are bad and we assume that good quarter, that quarterbacks on good teams are, are good. So we probably give quarterbacks too much of the credit at times and we probably give them too much of the blame at times when oftentimes outside of the few extremes, it's probably a combination of team environment, coaching and player all thrown into the pot and mixed up. So I mean, you look back at some of the years he had with Calvin Johnson and yes, they lost a lot of games and it was not, you know, it was not the Detroit Lions organization that we know now under Dan Campbell. It was, he was always so talented, the armed. What we'd see, he put up big numbers. Now, granted, a lot of that was in playing from behind and chasing points. But I think anybody who watched football probably could do a could do a good job separating the outcome, wins and losses, and watch Stafford play and say, I know chaos is ensuing around him. I know this is dysfunction. I know there's coaching turnover and losses are At a high, like. But this dude can flat out play. And then obviously we know what's happened. He gets put with arguably the best coach in the league. You know, McVeigh's probably top. You know, he's one or two. I don't know who you'd pick over him. And he gets put into that environment. They have immediate success, of course, winning the super bowl, but then they experience some lows. He went back. Now where can the Rams figure it out? What's his future? Is he going to go. Is they going to trade him to somewhere else? Is McVay going to retire? Like, they went through some down years following that super bowl where I'm sure a lot of that experience from Stafford paid dividends. You know, he had been in that chaos before, and now obviously they're riding it up. They've drafted incredibly well. They've gotten really talented on the. On the defensive side of the ball through the draft. And Stafford at, you know, 38 years old or whatever he is, I mean, he's probably the MVP of the league. It's him and Drake May if the season ended today. And pretty remarkable journey for a guy whose talent, leadership, everybody do you know that has played with Stafford, whether they won one game or they won the Super Bowl. Every teammate and coach loves him.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, they do. And he's a pro. He puts in the time in the film room. I've seen specials on him. He's a, you know, he's a total pros. Pro. He's a grinder. Greg Olson, boy, I'm. I don't get jealous much. Seahawks, Rams, that is. That is a unbelievable matchup of just two stacked rosters and go crush it. Thanks, man.
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Greg Olson
Appreciate you. Good seeing you.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, Greg Olson, J. Mac with the news.
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Greg Olson
No, no, no, Turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herd line news.
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Nick Wright
How about. The Baltimore Ravens made an appearance in the Herd hierarchy this week. Bit of a surprise. Too many. They're only four and five. But when you start peeling off wins as they have with Lamar, three straight and they're just one back of Pittsburgh in the AFC North. Here's Lamar talking about the team keeping that positive energy.
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Greg Olson
Do you feel this team has turned a corner yet? Yeah, but there's still a lot of ball left. You know, we've got to stay locked in.
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Nick Wright
Can't be complacent or nothing like that.
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Greg Olson
You know, we gotta stay locked in.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. You know, listen, they are still. And maybe not as much this week as the last two, but there is. There is something to be Said, like in Miami right now, why are the Dolphins playing so well? Like, Mike McDaniel and his staff know, we're fighting for our jobs every Sunday. Literally, our game plan is being judged by the guy upstairs. There was something about Baltimore has to win all these games now, but the Steelers losing to the Chargers, that gives them. Now they're back in it. They're favored to win that division, but the last couple of weeks they had to win games, and that Minnesota game was in doubt for three quarters. So I think winning in Minnesota is tougher than you think. And listen, when they're healthy, this is a great roster. There's not a lot of great rosters in the league. When they're all healthy, this is one of them.
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Nick Wright
Yeah. If you remember that Minnesota game, I think they fumbled two straight kickoffs. One they lost, one they recovered.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Nick Wright
Minnesota imploded.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Nick Wright
The Ravens offense did not look great in the first half. Here's the Ravens schedule. We look like geniuses telling you weeks ago, bet on them to win the division, as you said. Now I think they're almost minus 300. Listen, this Browns game will not be easy. Cleveland's defense at home shows up.
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Colin Cowherd
But, I mean, look at this. Look at the quarterbacks you're facing.
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Nick Wright
Look at Dylan Gabriel, Justin Fields. Now, that Week 13 game is interesting because Jay Glazer talked to Joe Burrow and Burrow saying, hey, a couple weeks, hopefully.
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Colin Cowherd
So if he.
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Nick Wright
If burrows back, that changes the calculus. You wanted to get, if you're a Ravens fan, one Jake Browning slash Joe Flacco game, because that's a win. But, yeah, we'll see. I think the Ravens are good in the division. I did watch that offense, Colin, and I was a little upset that they did. They really struggled against Minnesota in the first half. And Derrick Henry, remember that opener? He had like a buck 70 against Buffalo. Has he had any, like, dominant games since then?
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Colin Cowherd
No. I mean, I. Listen, it's. Who's their number one receivers? A. Flowers.
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Nick Wright
Flowers.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, they. I don't think they got a lot of good players. I don't think it's one of the more dynamic offenses. I also think Lamar, as he's aged, wants to run less and wants to throw more. And, you know, that's a little bit of a secret sauce when he does run. So. Yeah, I mean, I. I like them organizationally as much as anybody in the league. Top to bottom, owner to Lamar to roster. It's. It's a across the board for me.
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Nick Wright
All right, let's move on. Let's go to the Joe Burrow situation. Very interesting, Colin. He returned to practice on Monday. Very surprising that the 21 day window for him to return from IR is open. Burrow spoke to the media about it and his potential target date.
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Colin Cowherd
The running, cutting, twitchy shortstops that we're gonna have to see over these next couple weeks, how it feels and where that goes.
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Colin Cowherd
There's a lot of.
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I think Pittsburgh's 5 and 4 at this point.
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Colin Cowherd
We play them this week so, you know, everything is still there in front of us. They'll be a very interesting spoiler.
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Nick Wright
Can they begin?
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, wild cards.
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
No.
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Colin Cowherd
But they can ruin Pittsburgh season, you know, if they can knock out Pittsburgh.
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Nick Wright
Where are you on that Bengals, Bengals, Steelers game this week? Because, you know, I almost want to make a case for the Bengals coming off the buy rested, but I just, I don't trust that defense at all. It's. It's arguably the worst in the league.
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Colin Cowherd
Very interesting. I don't know. I think, I think if Burrow comes back and see week 12, 13, 14, I mean they got tough games to Baltimore, Buffalo, New England. So he's not going to play. I guess he's not going to play against Pittsburgh. Okay.
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Nick Wright
So he's not going to play against the Patriots, which is a big win.
- [30:35]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I don't think they get in. I think their schedule is too tough. I think if, I think if he was coming back this weekend I'd give him a shot. But yeah, I don't.
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Nick Wright
You don't want to force him back. Man, come on, this guy's had enough injuries play for next year. I think they got a lot of tinkering to do with that roster. I don't know if I trust the front office or the head coach.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, I don't.
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Greg Olson
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
Yeah. Final story, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, boy.
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Nick Wright
This is a big one. You love ratings. Well, how about the NBA? We're two or three weeks into the season. The league is reporting a 92% increase in viewership year over year for nationally televised games. The league adds that national games are averaging the most viewers in 15 years. I'm kind of floored by this now. Some of it is, you know, you turn, you want to turn on an NBA game, you're like, wait, where is it? Tnt, espn, Amazon Prime? There are so many places to find these games. Peacock, I don't know your thoughts. Are you watching more NBA?
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Colin Cowherd
You know, I, My NBA viewership really starts Christmas.
- [31:38]
Nick Wright
Christmas.
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Colin Cowherd
Like I'll, like, I watch a ton of highlights like it when I'm in the morning, when I get up, I do about three, about 45 minutes of reading and then I'll go to YouTube's and watch highlights. That's a lot of what I do early in the season. I'll watch, you know, if. If there's something on TV in the late afternoon now that I'm in the central time zone. But I also think early in the NBA season, nobody plays defense. Look at the field goal percentages by some of these players. Nobody's just so good well, that nobody plays D. They play defense after the trade deadline, you know, then the game gets officiated differently late season playoffs. But right now it's a YMCA ball. A lot of open jumpers.
- [32:20]
Nick Wright
It's interesting because OKC is the best team in the league by record. I don't find them visually appealing. Obviously they're very good. But I got a buddy who's like every day sending me this stuff about Shay Gilgis. Alexander just went 82 games and scored over 20 points in each of them. You know, and people are really excited about okc. Are they appointment viewing for you yet?
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, I, again, I think, you know, I watched them a ton last year. I think Wemby probably helps. It's interesting. I don't have an answer why the ratings are up 92%. Is it because they're on more network television instead of just cable? And my guess is, I'm guessing here that now they're on NBC network, not just ESPN cable. And that's the ratings growth. It's not that the country is suddenly fascinated with okc. That would be my guess.
- [33:13]
Nick Wright
No, yeah, it could be. Listen, there's a lot of other stuff going on in this country and people are looking for an escape from that. And you know, they're like, hey, where's basketball? I need to see anything. Except, you know what I'm talking about.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know.
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Nick Wright
92 is a significant number.
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Colin Cowherd
I think that. I think that's gotta be NBC's addition. That's what it. Yeah, I mean, you got more network TV games and less cable. That 92%. Think about this. If baseball rose 92%, baseball put in a pitch clock and they went up 9 to 10%. And that's growth in a year. 92% is not just players. If anything goes up 92%, it's a platform issue. It's a. When are the broadcasts on the air? It's not player related. It's like an out, an outlier is wnba. Yeah. Caitlin Clark was generationally fascinating. Tiger woods with golf up 92%. Wendy no, I don't think he's Tiger. Caitlyn, I don't think that's the draw. I don't.
- [34:15]
Nick Wright
Hey, did you see Wemby last night against.
- [34:19]
Colin Cowherd
Double threes?
- [34:20]
Nick Wright
Chicago Bull, 38 points, 18 boards, 6 of 9 from deep.
- [34:26]
Colin Cowherd
Why don't you do some digging on this? I bet you it's NBC airing more games.
- [34:31]
Nick Wright
I'm on the case.
- [34:32]
Colin Cowherd
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Katie Couric
On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age.
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Colin Cowherd
Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people out. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.
- [37:41]
Katie Couric
His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.
- [37:51]
Colin Cowherd
Does that sound like a radical idea? Is that too far left for you?
- [37:55]
Katie Couric
Okay, okay, wait, wait. I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living and of course the government shutdown. Not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party.
- [38:09]
Colin Cowherd
To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.
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Katie Couric
Open your free iHeartRadio app search next question with Katie Couric and listen. Now.
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On the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka Walley, a double board certified physician.
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And I'm Hari Kondabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am on health stuff, we're.
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Colin Cowherd
Talking about health in a different way.
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
It's not only about what we can do to improve our health, but also.
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Colin Cowherd
What our health says about us and the way we're living.
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
Like our episode where we look at.
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Colin Cowherd
Diabetes in the United states. I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
How preventable is type 2?
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Colin Cowherd
Extremely. Or our in depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are.
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
Oh, it's hard to explain to rest of the world that like your mangoes are fine because mangoes are incredible. But like you don't even know.
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Colin Cowherd
You don't know.
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Greg Olson
You don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
It's going to be a fun ride. So tune in.
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
Listen to health stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Nick Wright
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- [39:44]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I didn't have the bills in my top 10 hurt hierarchy because. Because I just don't know what they are outside of having a. A really, really good quarterback. You know, we tend to think that you just fire bad coaches. I think Brian Dabel is a good coach. I can remember, I've always said, Sean McDermott in Buffalo reminds me of Chuck Knox. Now Ram fans will remember him. Seahawk fans will remember him. He couldn't win in the postseason, but he always stabilized the organization. He was a winning coach. Toughness, run game, Chuck Knox. I think Marty Schottenheimer, the late Marty Schottenheimer, criticized like Chuck Knox, not great in the postseason, but would stabilize, add toughness to your organization. So Chuck Knox and Marty Schottenheimer, excellent coaches, but weren't as good in the postseason. They were a little restrictive, little regressive, not very creative guys that Sean McDermott and so Nick Wright talked about this earlier. With Brian Dabel being fired, Dable is more creative. Is it just time like a Schottenheimer or a Chuck Knox, that you can like him and respect him and McDermott would get a head coaching job in a New York minute. But maybe in Buffalo, it's time to experiment with a new coach. Brian Dable maybe got a little unlucky on certain spots. His record. He deserved to be fired.
- [41:11]
Greg Olson
But can I paint a scenario for you?
- [41:13]
Colin Cowherd
Because who loves Brian Dable? Josh Allen, who some people feel like, you know, Mrs. Brian Dable. Josh Allen.
- [41:22]
Greg Olson
They decide they have to move off McDermott. Is it crazy the idea that Josh.
- [41:27]
Colin Cowherd
Allen might say, hey, let Brian Dabel.
- [41:31]
Greg Olson
Be, be my head coach here?
- [41:33]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it's not crazy at all. And I, you know, it's just there. Andy Reid got fired and, and was good. It wasn't like things had gone overboard. So I, I think sometimes a new voice. Ian o' Connor is a great writer. He suggested the Giants should hire Mike Tomlin, who's never had a losing SEC season in Pittsburgh. But the defense is old, it's expensive, they don't have a quarterback. And I would argue, well, New York's got their Quarterback and they've got their left tackle. And what they need is a head coach that brings, you know, some legitimacy. Not another coordinator. So Mike Kafka played in the league for six years. Smart guy from Northwestern. Does he have the presence to go up against the top coaches in the league? I. I said this earlier to J. Mac, and I'll stand by this point. If you're Mike Tomlin and you have Aaron Rodgers and you want to win Super Bowls, you're Mike Tomlin. That's your standard. You have to get through Mahomes, who's got a great coach. Josh Allen, Herbert Lamar, Joe Burrow. That's pretty good group in the nfc. Mike Tomlin goes to the Giants. I have to go through Jared Goff. Jalen hurts, Dak Prescott. Stafford's not gonna be around much longer. Baker Mayfield. I mean, you start looking around. To win Super Bowls, you have to get to them. It's much harder to get to a Super bowl in the afc. That doesn't mean the best team. I mean, the two best teams in the league today could be the Rams and the Seahawks. But Stafford's not playing much longer. He's 37, I think. And then, you know, I would rather face Darnold as much as I love him than Alan Mahomes or Lamar. So, you know, I could see Mike Tomlinson sitting down with his agents and be like, well, I don't have a. I don't have a quarterback for the future. The defense is old and expensive. You know, you can't, I guess, trade T.J. watt. He's so beloved. Everybody in Pittsburgh's got his jersey. That's why people move. I mean, I've moved three or four times in my career. That's the kind of stuff you think about, like, what's my future? Who's my go to? Is this place ascending? Is this place dying? You're asking yourself, anytime, anybody that listens to this show, you've ever moved, you get out the yellow pad and you start writing things down. It is easier to get the Super Bowls in the nfc. I think there are more good teams in the nfc. There's far more elite, all time great quarterbacks in the afc. And they're all in their prime. Josh Allen, prime. Mahomes prime. Herbert, prime. Lamar, prime. They're all in their prime. Stafford's not golf. You don't fear always very good. I can see it. I mean, again, a lot of the quarterbacks in the nfc, like Caleb Williams, you're like, boy, he could be some. He's not there yet. So I could see that Ian o' Connor column today. I could see Mike Tomlin at the end of the season. They go nine and eight. You know, it's the Steelers, their GPS always gets them to 500 or above. But I could, you know, I, I could see 9 and 8 probably where they finish. You look at their schedule. Don't have to face burrow. I guess so. You know, it's certainly, don't you think? J. Mac it's certainly worth.
- [44:49]
Nick Wright
It's not bad. Again, I mentioned this yesterday. Colin so are we sure the Giants job is better than the Tennessee Titans job? Cam Ward vs. Jackson Dart and unequivocally the worst division in football probably the last five years running. I just don't know that it's a slam dunk. That the Giants is a great job. The Eagles are the best run team in the nfc. Jalen hurts, as you said, in his prime. I don't know, you seem to think Dallas is kind of sort of close to something. And Jaden Daniels, I know he's hurt now. He's a stud. I don't know that the Giants job is great. Yes, I'm a Jets fan. I'm a Giants hater. I, I just don't know. There's too many question marks.
- [45:30]
Colin Cowherd
Well, a job is as great as your quarterback and coach. I mean, your job is as great as your quarterback. The Chargers was a good job. That's why Harbaugh took it okay in the division.
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Nick Wright
Jalen hurts, Jaden Daniels, Jackson Dart, Dak Prescott. Who's the fourth best quarterback in that division?
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Colin Cowherd
I'd have to say who? Well, I think Dax, probably the best. And I'll just stop right there.
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Katie Couric
On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders and we've talked many times over the years and today he even throws a few questions my way.
- [46:42]
Colin Cowherd
All right, are you ready for another question? Go ahead, hit me, Bernie.
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Katie Couric
We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living and of course the government Shutdown. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
On the podcast Health Stuff. We are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm Dr. Priyanka Wali, a double board.
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
Certified physician and I'm a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am and on our show we're talking about health in a different way. Like our episode where we look at.
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Colin Cowherd
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Dr. Priyanka Walley and Hari Kondabolu
How preventable is type 2?
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Colin Cowherd
Extremely. Listen to Health Stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Greg Olson
Thanksgiving isn't just about food. It's a day for us to show.
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Colin Cowherd
Up for one another. It's okay not to be okay sometimes and be able to build strength and love within each other. I'm Elliot Connie, host of the podcast Family Therapy, a series where real families.
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Greg Olson
Come together to heal and find hope.
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Katie Couric
I've always wanted us to have therapy.
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Colin Cowherd
So this is such a beautiful opportunity.
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Greg Olson
Listen to season two of Family Therapy.
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Colin Cowherd
Every week, Wednesday on the Black Effect.
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Greg Olson
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Nick Wright
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Colin Cowherd
And I'm Maite Gomez Jejuan. And this week on our podcast Hungry for History, we talk oysters. Plus the Miami Chief stops by. If you're not an oyster lover, don't.
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Colin Cowherd
Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster.
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Nick Wright
No way.
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Colin Cowherd
Bring back the ostricon. Listen to Hungry for history on the.
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Katie Couric
Iheartradio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Greg Olson
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