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Greg Olson
Now, let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back. He does a remarkable job for us, 14 years in the NFL, three time Pro Bowler, a Fox Sports analyst, kind enough to take some time for us today. My friend Greg Olson now joining us. We've been bringing him on since. I may have brought him on when he was a hurricane, by the way. They look. They look physical. Holy God. They're throwing people. Miami for the front. I mean, they're legit. We'll get to that in a second. They're legit. They passed the eye test. So I said, you know, when Dan Campbell came in, I thought he's kind of reckless because I didn't like their personnel. Now it's like an all star team. I. I'm like, yeah, you should go for it all the time. On 4th, when they went for it on 4th and 2, it was funny because Troy Aikman was like, man, he's got a set on him. And I'm like, no, that's kind of what they are like. I know you're a believer in this. Like, I think the whole identity of the franchise in Detroit is, you know, we're aggressive. We are an aggressive franchise. I think it's a great brand. Your thoughts?
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Greg Olson
Yeah. So I think there's a lot of levels to it. At no point in that game that I think if they got in this situation, that they weren't going to go for it. Right. It was just a matter of what play did they have. They have an entire section on the play sheet for those gotta have it moments. The fourth and ones, the fourth and twos, the goal to go situations. That is not decided upon in the moment. They have them ranked. First time we're in this situation, it's this call and then they just work their way down the list. They probably carry more of those calls than most teams because they're in that situation. But I think there's multiple factors. I think your point. I heard you before the break about the culture and the identity. Since Dan Campbell took over in Detroit, there has been no wavering that that was going to be what they are. They believe in it. He believes in his players. There is no doubt in the huddle amongst the 11 guys in the huddle, when they get tackled short on third down, they don't look to the sideline, they don't start walking off the punt team doesn't start walking on or the field goal unit. Like, there's not even a consideration. Number one, that's super powerful, number two. And this, I think, is the biggest point around the league. You look at how many games are won and lost because Teams decide every time you kick the ball, a punt or a field goal, your chance of winning that game goes exponentially down. And that's just the nature of the game. Teams that built, you know, you look at Sirianni. I did the Eagles game the other day. They were only in that game because they forced six field goals. They blocked two of them. Of the Rams in a game that the Rams, for three quarters of it, pretty much dominated. So it takes a strong personality as a coach to stand at the podium in a playoff game like Dan Campbell had to do a couple years ago. We called that game where the fourth downs ended up biting him and they lost the game. And he had to stand up there tall and proud and heartbroken and say, I would do it again. Those are the guys you believe in. Those are the guys that this is not just a flash of the pan. It's baked into every decision they make. And in my opinion, it's the only way to play NFL football in today's day.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And so you. Let's. Let's talk about that. We both love Sean McVeigh, and we both love Stafford, and they have really nice skill players. When McVay kept settling for field goals when it was happening because you had that game, why do they do that? Is it a belief that, you know what, we've got a better game plan, Our defense, I kind of thought watching the game, oh, they just don't think Philadelphia is going to be able to come back. So let's just keep adding three. That was my take. Yours?
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Greg Olson
Yeah, there seems to be. And I don't think this is unique to McVeigh. I think McVeigh's in the conversation of the top two to maybe three. If not, you know, he's in the top three. No question in my mind, as the best coaches in the NFL. And I think universally amongst his peers, that's how he's regarded. I think in a game like that, when you start fast and you score early and then you're. Every time you score, you're just increasing your lead. When the opposing team's offense is struggling as much as Phillies was in the first half, the human nature is my defense is really strong. That. That L A defense is for real now. Like, they're. They're really young and super talented. They've hit that. They've hit it out of the park with those draft picks the last couple of years. But I'm always of the opposite belief. Like, if I think my defense is superior, I'm going to give them the Short end of the stick, you know, how often do we hear. So this is kind of a larger level question, Colin, but like how often do we hear coaches say why did you punt at midfield? My defense was playing so well, so I decided to punt and play the field. Position battle. And I sit there and say, if your defense is playing so well and your offense is the side of the ball that might be struggling. So not necessarily the case for the Rams in that one particular game, but just in general, give your offense the extra down, give your offense tip the scales in their favor and if one side of the ball does have to carry the load for a little while, make it the team, make it the side of the ball that you're telling everybody has been so dominant. Or why give your defense the short field in that situation and not give your offense an extra down? And I think that's what teams are starting to realize. You see Sirianni on their opening drive touchdown. Now granted, they have the ultimate X factor play in the quarterback sneak. They go for two fourth downs, they end up with an opening drive touchdown and start the game strong. So like I think we're going to continue to see teams understand field goals get you beat. If no matter how well you think your defense is playing, if you continue. I told you this in the break. If I was a head coach, unless it was the walk off field goal to win the game or take the lead late or if it was a fourth and 10 plus, I would never kick a field goal less than 35 yards. I just think it's a wasted opportunity of getting down in the red zone. And I think we're going to see more teams adopt that strategy.
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Colin Cowherd
So you're lucky you get to go to Dublin, Ireland, which is. It's just a great place to go for anything. It could be a Guinness Irish Whiskey or a football game. It's just a great place to go. And you have the Vikings and the Steelers and I think the Vikings are a fascinating team because I've watched this with Darnold and Baker is that their careers get resurrected and this didn't happen 10 to 15 years ago. My take is there are so many smart young offensive coaches. The beneficiary of that is these quarterbacks who get drafted by the jets and go to the Panthers. Darnold, or it's Baker and he's not quite mature enough in Cleveland. He goes to LA and then he finds Tampa is that it's giving guys. This used to be a total outlier then, now it's happening all the time because there's so many good offensive coaches. And I argued this last week, I said, well, Carson Wentz can play. And how do I know that? Because all the coaches that like him are all these really smart offensive guys. They're like, I'll put Carson Wentz on my roster. So you're looking at tape now. I think today he's better than J.J. mcCarthy. Maybe not in eight weeks, maybe not next year. Today, when you look at film, can you go on a five game winning streak with Carson Wentz in Minnesota?
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Greg Olson
Yeah, I think if the Vikings have proved one thing, if Kevin o' Connell has proved one thing and they've proved many things in his time in Minnesota, it's. I'm not sure there is a coach in the league, a head coach for sure, or an offensive coordinator who gets the most out of their quarterback within their system and blends the idea of play caller, quarterback whisperer, confidant, mentor enough to kick him in the behind and get them going, but also when it's time to put their arm around them. He has such a unique quality to check all of those boxes. It sounds like that would be the given, but as we all know, a lot of those quarterbacks you just mentioned did not enter into those kind of organizations with that kind of fit earlier in their career. I mean, look what he did with Cousins and obviously Cousins goes in free agency and gets the big deal post injury with Atlanta. Then what he does last year with Sam, who goes and gets a huge contract in Seattle. Now you know, JJ McCarthy, he gets hurt and now in comes Carson Wentz who hasn't been a starter in this league. He's been on six teams, I think, or whatever it's been like. And again, this was a one game sample size. Can they continue to do that week in and week out? We'll find out this week in Ireland. But he has such a unique quality where yes, he has the X's and O's, yes, he has the schematic advantage, but it's all the other stuff. It's the Sean McVeigh qualities. It's. Those are just really unique guys and there's just not many of them. And again, this is a larger question, but that's why when you get an opportunity to get them in your building and you got to hire him away from la, you got to make them your head coach and you see why teams are going towards young offensive minds on the head coaching search. And it gets into that whole conversation when you have a guy like Kevin o' Connell and Obviously, the talent on the roster, your ability to weather quarterback change injuries is just bigger than most. Not everybody, but it's bigger than most teams around the league. And Kevin o' Connell has proven to be as good, if not better than any coach in the league in regards to developing and getting the best out of his quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
So I said being a quarterback in Chicago is harder than Buffalo. So when Josh Allen's first year and a half, he was completing 56% of his throws, had more picks than touchdowns. They've been to multiple Super Bowls. They had Jim Kelly. There is a sense, hey, it's a small market, it's. The media is kind of supportive. We're going to make Josh Allen work. He's too talented in Chicago. I mean, it's loud. The guys up north, a 30 minute train ride up north, Green Bay have owned you for three decades. And even though Caleb had 20 touchdowns and six picks, had amazing moments, like, there's this sense that if you don't get it right this year, we're moving on. And I think to myself, I wish Chicago had a little Buffalo. The media wasn't as loud. The organization didn't suffer from a neighbor up north being dominant. How long? Because I think Caleb is going to be like Josh. I think it's going to take time. Tons of horsepower, great freelancer. I think it's going to take some years. How long do you give him?
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Greg Olson
Well, I'll tell you based off this past weekend against Dallas, I caught parts of the game. I was traveling home from my game, so I only saw parts of it. The parts that I saw, he looked great. I mean, I call it, granted, it's a preseason game. The only time I got to see him up close and personal this year was in a preseason game where they blew out Buffalo. And again, preseason games are always tricky. You kind of got to read through the tea leaves as far as how the whole matchup works out. But I think Ben Johnson is as brilliant in offensive mind as there is in the game of football. I felt that way now for a couple years. I think it's going to take as much as it's going to take Caleb Williams time to continue. I think it's going to take Ben Johnson time to figure out, all right, what works with this personnel group, what works in this locker room, what works in these meetings, what works in these installs. Like, as much success as he's had in his time as a play caller in Detroit and as much time as Caleb Williams in the success he had in college, it doesn't always just automatically translate to the next place because every place is uniquely different and every place has their strengths and weaknesses. Ben Johnson is still working through what that looks like. Being the head coach in Chicago. Everything you just said is spot on. I played there for four years. I understand firsthand what expectations in the noise and the media. It's real. It's not an easy place to play. I think Ben Johnson's personality and demeanor is a good fit. I don't think he worries too much about outside noise. I think he's very internally confident. I think as Ben Johnson continues to push Caleb Williams and coach him hard and hold him accountable, I think we're going to steadily see an improved Caleb Williams over time. Now, what is that ceiling to physically, the ceiling is as high, as high as anybody. Can he tie all of it together? Obviously, time will tell. I don't know if any of us really can predict it, but Ben Johnson didn't take that job because he didn't think Caleb Williams was going to be a good player. That was all baked into that decision. And I think it's just here we are three weeks in, we've seen a lot of good. They did really well against Dallas, but their defense is a whole nother story. My guess right now is we're going to continue to see that relationship and that offense in Chicago steadily improve.
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Colin Cowherd
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Rich
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Colin Cowherd
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Covino
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Rich
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Jonas Knox
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Rich
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Covino
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
I mean, the answer is yes, you can. I mean, Baltimore did it last year. I mean, in the first half of the season their defense was abysmal. They had a hard time replacing McDonald. Obviously he went on to took the head job out in, in Seattle and they had some growing pains figuring out what that defensive structure was going to look like. They lost a lot of their coaching staff to other teams to head coaching jobs. There was some shuffling. So it took them call it half the season last year to really find their way. And then down the stretch I called their game on Christmas Day. So it was late in the year and they beat Houston and they were dominant and obviously the rest is history through the playoffs and the matchups and losing obviously. But I do think they can get it better. I think Harbaugh, although not a defensive guy by trade, is a long time, you know, very established head coach. He's been through good offenses, bad offenses, good defenses, bad defenses. I think programs like that that do have stability at the head coaching position with the experience that he has, I think they can get it right. But I agree with you, they've got a lot of work to do. The explosive nature of Baltimore's offense is exactly what you want in today's day and age. You don't want to score on 10 plus play drives every time. If you are ultra dependent on time of possession and sit on the ball and go in the length of the field every time, that's a very hard model in today's game to sustain. So their quick strike offense is what you want. But then your point is exactly correct on the inverse. When my defense is not playing great, the more I put them right back on the field to match possession for possession with my opponent, you're going to see a high scoring game and obviously we've seen them play a few of them now. So they've got to get the defense squared away. I would always rather have an offense that can score 30 any given day and fix the defense. I think it's harder in today's NFL to say okay, my defense can keep you. I'm, I'm the Browns, right? Like that defense is going to keep you 15 to 17 points a lot, but then you're just holding your breath like how are we ever going to score? Is it sustainable beating the packers in a game in the teens over the length of the season? I would always rather an offense that can score and then we can figure out together how we can get that defense to just keep those number as low as possible on the other side.
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Colin Cowherd
I got to ask you this. Justin Herbert got hit 14 times. He got pressured 55. And Jim Harbaugh said after the game, you'd never know it in his facial expression. He never winces. And there is something about toughness. I had a GM tell me this years ago. He said, you know, the key in this league is you think all football players are tough. He goes, some guys don't like getting hit. And some guys like Andrew Luck love to get popped. Just, I want to get involved. I look at Herbert and I'm like, greg, I mean, you played in the NFL for years. You had the ability. You were a rare tight end. You could be tough and block. Tony Gonzalez could do this, or you could get down the field. But. But were there quarterbacks you played with that you knew that had a tight end mentality? And then other guys, they were quarterbacks, they didn't want to get hit. Because I watched Herbert and I'm like, that's not. Not everybody is that.
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Greg Olson
Yeah, I think there's a. The spectrum there is very wide. I don't think I ever played with a guy. Now, I played with a lot of quarterbacks. I don't think any of them ever were afraid to get hit. But to come to mind, that remind me of Herbert, as far as the physicality of the game brought out the best in them. And that was obviously Cam, and in Chicago was Jay Cutler. Like, there was a mentality to both of them that if they got sacked, if they got hit hard, they were going to, like, beat you up off the ground, get to their feet faster, to just show. Like, even though I'm dying inside, even though you got the best of me and I'm hurting, like, I'm never going to let you see that. Cam had that. Like, we used to joke, Cam's game didn't start until he either got hit, like, sacked or, like, hit as a passer, or we just had to call a quarterback run and let him just run headfirst into the Mike linebacker on quarterback power. And then we're like, okay, the game's officially started. Cutler was the same way. Like, not so much as a designed runner like Cam was, but in the open field, he wasn't a big slider. He wasn't getting down. Like, there was multiple times I could picture him in my head where he's taking guys on at the line of scrimmage, I mean, at the goal line, lowering his shoulder like, so those two guys in My time come to mind is like that physical, not scared, not going to flinch. Can get hit 10 times in a row. And on the 11th play, they're going to hold that ball and let that dig open up just 1/2 clicks longer because that's when he needs to deliver it. Like, I agree that you can't coach that. Like, that's ingrained in the DNA of these guys are. And to play in today's game with the struggles of offensive line and the defensive lineman just getting so good and the defensive coordinators, these simulated pressures and free runners, and we see these good quarterbacks under fire very often. If you can't stand in there and take shots in the pocket and you can't manipulate outside the pocket and every once in a while, just be respectable as a runner. It is a very hard way to play quarterback in today's NFL if you don't have that level of toughness. And I think for the most part, you look around the league at the guys, Baker, Sam, Darnold, like, these guys are inherently tough physically guys, physically tough guys.
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Colin Cowherd
Finally, all the football you've played through all the years. There's something weird about college football. It's the only sport that makes me mad. When my Trojans struggle, I'm in a bad mood the rest of Saturday, I watched Miami. This year they. I've been sold Miami for years. I think this team's legit physically. What say you?
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Greg Olson
Oh, there's no question. So Mario Crystal Ball. You're not going to find a bigger fan of Mario than me. I've known Mario since I was a freshman in high school, when I first met him, when he was a GA at Miami. And then he went with Greg Shiano to Rutgers. And I grew up in Jersey, so they were always at all of our games and all of our sporting events. So I go, I go back 30 years, 30 years with 25 years with Mario. So I think the job he's done, I've always said if he couldn't do it, then nobody could do it. Well, obviously he was the guy to do it. They are so physical. It's in everything that Mario Crystal Ball is about. He's got a little bit of that Dan Campbell where the physicality and the size and his toughness and the way he communicates is so aggressive. Yet there is an element of sophistication and cerebral. And they're good recruiters and coaches and motivators. Like, he kind of reminds me a little bit of Dan in that. In that perspective. But, man, what a job. He's done. But I'm with you. I was sitting. I was in Philly. I'm at the Four Seasons in Philly. Amazing hotel, kicking my feet up. I'm gonna have a nice night. After production meetings and dinner, I'm gonna watch the Miami game. And I'm literally sweating in my room. That touchdown got called back for the inadvertent whistle. Then Florida goes on that big drive and I'm like, yeah. Oh, my God, we're gonna lose this game. All because of that inadvertent whistle. Now I'm mad at the refs. Like, it is an emotional experience watching a college or a team that you're invested in. I couldn't agree with you more.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I can get over an NFL loss in 15 minutes with a cold beer. College football losses send me on a tail spin for 36 hours.
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Greg Olson
Yeah, you should see me with my middle school football team that I coach it. It'll take me three weeks to get over a bad game.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, at least you're not kicking field goals. I know that about no field goals.
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Greg Olson
We only go for two.
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Colin Cowherd
There you go. Great seeing you, buddy. You're amazing.
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Greg Olson
I appreciate you. Thanks, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
I've had the good fortune to run into Greg off the air from time to time. He is just about as good a human being as you're gonna meet. We had good dudes on the show today. I mean, we tolerated Nick Wright, but I got Justin Herbert and Greg Olson. You can't do better than that. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Jonas Knox
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Everyone, start your Saturday strong with big noon Saturday. Number 21 USC is looking for a Big Ten statement win as they take on the 23rd ranked Fighting Illini. It all goes down live from Champagne starting with big noon kickoff at 10am Eastern. Then it's USC Illinois only on Fox.
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I will be at that game.
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J. Mac early start time, early kick for the Trojans. You worried about that?
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Nope. I am not worried about myself even though I'll be having a great time in Chicago on Friday or the Trojans. I will say this Illinois O line is struggling and USC's D line is really good. So I think it's a lower scoring game. But usc wins by 14.
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Will you be posting a seller celebratory cigar puff from your lavish backyard after the victory?
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Nope. I be humility as USC gears toward the College Football Playoff. A lot of tough ones still to go. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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All right, Colin, we had that bummer of news yesterday that Nick Bosa is dunzo for the season with an acl. Here's Kyle Shanahan talking about what the defense will try to do in his absence.
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Kyle Shanahan
You don't just replace a guy like Nick. I mean it just puts, you know, everyone's got to keep continue to get better at everything. Just like same thing I'd be preaching if we did have Nick too. You know, when you lose your better players, it gets harder. But I also expect throughout this year I expect all of our players to get better as it goes. And that's even stressed even that much more when you lose a grade one like Nick. Lots of guys obviously will have to step it up as it goes, but I believe that'll be more by committee than any individual.
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Colin Cowherd
Tough one. Niners. What's up with that line minus three against the Jags? I mean it feels like a smash spot for the Niners there even without Bosa.
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Yeah, I mean is it Mikel Williams, the rookie they drafted? He's been pretty good. I, I think Sol has transformed the defense. I don't, I don't trust the Jags in big spots. I, I just don't. I don't trust them traveling 3,000 miles.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And Jags coming off that big win rousing victory over the Texans. So the staff thinks Yesterday I mentioned Trey Hendrickson as a trade target for the Niners, right? Bengals are 2 and 1. I, I doubt they'd give him up. Do you think San Francisco. Listen guys, when I. You can Jennings and Kittle come back, we're fully formed offensively. We need another impact defender. Do they make a move on a Hendrickson? Jeffrey Simmons, if the Titans are ready to just be like, hey, let's start over. You mentioned I think Crosby from the Raiders.
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Well, Pete would fight that tooth and nail. So. Yeah, I mean I think if you're in a division with Herbert and Mahomes, you don't give up an elite pass rusher. So Pete would fight that. I, I don't know. I think they drafted they. The last thing they need is another expensive older guy. I think San Francisco feels good about Ricky Parasol, the receiver. I think they feel good about Mikhail Williams. I think they have a couple of. They have a corner that's a really interesting rookie. So I don't know, I don't, I don't think they should take on any big contracts. I mean Mac Jones has been a little bit of a revelation for, for them. I mean the two and oh yeah, my guess is, my guess is they just stand pat, cross their fingers on health.
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So I'm just telling you their schedule gets very easy. Phillies is difficult and I know it's not really a race, but San Francisco, Colin, you look at these quarterbacks are facing Trevor Lawrence, Stafford and Baker. Back to back is tough, but that might be Baker without Mike Evans. They, by the way, they were 03 last year without Mike Evans. Tampa, then it's like Pennock, Stroud, Jackson, Darth. What do you think?
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I think they're going to beat the Jags, lose to the Rams and then the Buccaneers game will revisit. Tampa's got to start pulling away. You can't, you can't live off winning late drives and walk off kicks. That's not a way to survive. You can't, you can survive. You can't thrive in the NFL doing that just doesn't work.
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Kansas City 11 and oh last year, one score games. Next up is the Vikings and I don't know what to make of this story.
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Right.
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So J.J. mcCarthy obviously has the ankle injury. He's out. So Carson Wentz starts was pretty good. I mean the defense got him a couple tuddies, but people are starting to be like, oh, quarterback controversy and Kevin o' Connell was asked about it. You let me know what you make of this answer.
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Kevin O'Connell
I don't think it's one of those things where it's, hey, the day he's healthy and if he's healthy the night before a game, we're gonna Just throw him out there and say, hey, you know, go figure it out. When you're in the phasing of building up the 10,000 reps and 10,000 hours of what it takes to play the position at a very high level, which we know JJ McCarthy is going to do, you can't cut corners on that.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, people are saying he's leaving the door open.
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Yes, you know, he should. Carson Wentz was a. What was his passer rating? What?
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In a 48:10 win over the Bengals. Because of the defense. I don't know. I mean, completion percentage, he's 14 or 20. So that, you know, looks decent, but rudimentary math tells me that's like, I'm not even gonna embarrass myself on TV.
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I don't.
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He. He had a good game. 173 yards, two touchdowns. It's less about Wentz, Colin, isn't it more about like the future.
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So let me see. He won't commit to McCarthy. He was interested in Darnold. They had Daniel Jones. There was an Aaron Rodgers rumor. Drip, drip, drip, drip. Carson wentz, passer rating 129.8. Let me check. Yeah, that's great.
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Can you please put away your jump to conclusions, Matt, and just settle down? JJ McCarthy is the guy. You go look at that fourth quarter comeback against the Bears, huh? Your Bears final story. Colin, College football, some breaking news. How about this one? Oklahoma State has fired Mike Gundy. One and two start. Dude had been with a team for 21 seasons. Yeah, they had eight double digit win seasons. They got a Big 12 title in 2011. Eighteen bowl games, although I don't know what that's worth given everybody makes a bowl. Obviously in the off season, Gundy was kind of combative and he restructured his deal. This is a bit of a surprise to me in September to dump him. I mean, this guy's been. Been there for 20 plus years.
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Greg Olson
Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm a little shocked.
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He's gotten cranky and he, you know, he's one of those guys that steps in it about three times a year and I, you know, like dabo has won at the highest level. I mean, he's done a good job off three star recruits to build a pretty good program, but it feels like nil has not been good for him.
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Greg Olson
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
So, you know, usually we're like, oh, what was Coach K's signature moment? It's like, win a national championship. What was. What was this guy's Kirby smart, blah, blah, blah. Let's do Mike Gundy because Colin, we have the sound. This is classic. An all time rant. Here we go.
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If you want to go after an athlete, one of my athletes, you go after one that doesn't do the right things. You don't downgrade him because he does everything right and may not play as well on Saturday. And you let us make that decision. Come after me. I'm a man. I'm 40. I'm not a kid. Write something about me. Chloe, we are writing something about you. You've been fired today. That's what we're writing.
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I mean, seriously, his biggest. It was not like we got to a playoffs.
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Well, he beat. No, that was it.
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He had some good wins, but that's the momentum. When you think Mike Gundy, you think about that.
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You do. But he also beat the Sooners a couple times in big spots. I mean, that became a very good rivalry because Mike Gundy with three star athletes beat the Soaners. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how many times he beat him, but he beat him. I can remember two or three off the top of my head. So I. You got to be fair. He. He. Oklahoma State should not beat Oklahoma. Oklahoma has way, way better athletes. They recruit at a totally different level than Oklahoma State.
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Okay, fair enough.
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J. Mac with a new. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. I mean, I'm. I don't even know if I'm a man and I'm 60. I don't know. So. Okay, so let's look. Let's put up the college football. Oh. Schedule this week. I mean, I know where I was. Spent 12 hours watching average games. Last week I spent 12 hours watching Nebraska. What a waste of my life.
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By the way, Penn State is up to minus four against the Ducks.
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I like Penn State in that spot.
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But seems like everybody does.
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Well, it's at home and it's a.
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What about your guy? Dante Moore?
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The.
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The. The quarterback?
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No, I mean, he's been on. Oregon's a live dog. I mean, they can win it. Absolutely. I'll take usc. I'll take Ohio State.
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Lane Kiffin, Brian Kelly. That's. That's a bad.
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I'll take lsu. I'll take a M over Auburn. Oh, boy.
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Points with Indiana.
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Right. I'll take.
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I started with Iowa. With Iowa.
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Just take Oregon. I think I may take Oregon in.
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That spot to win outright.
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Yeah. Wow. I think I may.
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Boy, James Franklin is going to get.
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I'll take Georgia mostly. I'll take the home teams. But I'll take LSU to beat Ole Miss. Why?
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Is it because of Nussmeier?
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Greg Olson
I think.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, I I think and I think they've kind of got their act together defensively now. They're they're going to shut Ole Miss down.
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Well, if Brian Kelly loses that game. Oh, I can't wait for the post game. Remember how how combative he was after they beat Florida and he got a question.
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What if he comes out and says, I'm a man, I'm 63, and we'll have another great sound bite. Yeah, I like Ohio State will win as a road team. I think Ohio State and Oregon can both win as well. By the way, Mike Gundy beat the Sooners four times. We Come on, that's something that's pretty impressive.
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