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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now, let's get this party started.
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Julian Edelman
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, three super bowl rings, a Super bowl mvp, Fox NFL kickoff every Sunday. He's in Boston right now. It's Julian Edelman joining us here on a Thursday. So I imagine being in, it's kind of like your hometown. I know you're from the Midwest, but you got your charities there. I imagine if you turn on sports radio, Drake May is getting the love. I imagine everybody in Boston is talking about Drake May. What do you make of him so far?
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Julian Edelman
I think he's been doing real well and he's definitely the talk of town here in Boston. I mean, I just went to breakfast. The guy over comes out, oh, Drake May, we're back, we're back. We haven't been back. And the excitement is definitely there and they should have it because, I mean, he's what he's throwing for 10 touchdowns. He's top five in passing yards and he only had two interceptions. He's fumbled the ball three times, which he fumbled 10 times last year. So he's getting better each week and they're winning ball games. So, you know, I think this will be another good test for them this week. And, you know, I'm excited just as much as everyone else because the better they are, the more I get to talk.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. You know, when, whether it's Tiger Woods, Serena Williams, your dynasty, the warriors with Durant, the Chiefs, I do think, and maybe football's different, maybe Belichick made it different. But you know, when you're just humming in football, the Chiefs right now feel like, man, the eye test, they, they're getting Rasheed Rice back. How do you stay self motivated when you know we got a better coach, we got a better quarterback, we got better schemes, we got better players. Is it hard to be Kansas City? Was it hard even though you mostly on Sundays had the better check, check, check across the board. Yeah.
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Julian Edelman
And I would say that the Chiefs are not necessarily the category of we need to motivate. I think they're in the category of we've been good for so long. Each year we lose coaches, we lose players a la Tooney in the middle of the line, guys suspended like Rasheed Rice. And they use this first part of the season to really learn what they, what they're going to be this year, their identity. And it took them a little more time because of the lack of practice we all talk about because of the CBA and all that. So they're still learning their team. Now when, you know it's week 11 and you're, you're 8 and 1 or 8 and 3 and you're playing a team, that, that's when you have to start creating motivation. But I don't think that's the category that these guys are in. I think they're just trying to figure out what they're doing. And, and the teams that really fall in love with the process of improving each week are the teams that are always there at the end. Because you got to play with the injury bug. You're going to lose a couple guys in those first six, seven weeks. Do you get them back in back end? As long as the team continues to improve each week, those are the teams that succeed. And that's what the Chiefs have done for the last six, seven years. They just continue to improve their team. Look at the things they're deficient at. Try to work on those scrap plays that they're not doing well. Bring in a couple of their drawn up plays that, you know, coach Andy has them do on Friday after practice, whatever, that whole thing where everyone gets to contribute to bringing a play in. So I think that's where they are right now is just trying to learn their team and, and the league better strap up because I think they're better than they are last year at this point.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, same here. The trade deadline's a couple weeks away and my theory's always been if you have a star quarterback, the Chargers, Josh Allen, but you have a deficiency. The Rams, you can go for it. Don't give up the house, but go for it. If the Giants, you know, save your picks, you're not a Super bowl contender. The interesting thing is I don't remember New England doing a ton of trade deadline stuff. I do. I mean, obviously sometimes you get to a point, week seven or eight, and you're like, we have a hole, we need to slot corner. Do you how it's weird. You have this strong culture in New England. Hey, we're going to bring in an outsider. What did you make of that? What did you make of free agency in the trade deadline? Did you like it? I mean, I can't imagine busting my butt for years. All of a sudden, here comes a starter. If, if you're a corner, can it affect chemistry on the team?
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Julian Edelman
It can, but that's when you rely on your leadership. I remember in 2012 we brought in a keep Talib during the trade deadline y and because we had such a, a tight group of leaders on the team at that point, he came in and we were a lot better because of him. And then we built off that the next year, went to the AFC championship and lost to Denver and then he ended up signing Denver. But, you know, I think that all comes Back to the leadership, your team. Like you said, usually the teams that are going to make these trades have the quarterback. And if the quarterback's the guy in the locker room that's the highest paid guy playing the best, everyone else falls in line. So I'm all for bringing guys in, especially if you have a great chemistry and a great locker room.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. I remember Gronk one time going to the podium, and he was literally. He said, I don't want to say this coach is going to get really mad at me. And then I watched Tua go to the microphone and kind of throw the staff under the bus. And my take is people make mistakes in life, but you wouldn't do that if you had a little fear with the head coach, you wouldn't call out the coaching staff. With Andy Reid, you wouldn't do it. You know, with Mike Tomlin, you wouldn't do it. With Vrabel. I looked at two, and I thought, that's my issue with Miami is I think Mike McDaniel smart. But when a player goes and takes shots at, like, the staff, that we got a culture issue. I mean, what did you make of that?
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Julian Edelman
Yeah, I mean, we never did that. If there was ever a problem, that was. Take that. You know, you handle that closed doors with. With the team. We never talked about contracts. We never talked about drama, and we had drama. Okay. And. And that's honestly the way you're supposed to do it, because then it becomes a distraction to the team. Now, I think the Dolphins are just fundamentally designed this way. I mean, you got. You bring in a bunch of guys that aren't culture guys. When it's time, when. When stuff's hitting the fan, who's going to be the serious guy? So I think they're just fundamentally wrong on how they're built. I think we got to take a look at who's building the team, because, look, we paid Tua after, you know, he's been. He's been hurt a bunch. We bring in Tyreek Hill, and we all know what he is off the field. These are your best players, who are their core nucleus. Guys we don't know. They've never really had them. So I think this was a terrible way to handle it because, you know, if there's a drama, you keep that in between your building in your meeting rooms, and you don't bring it out to the public. We've had way too much of this stuff in Miami for the last however long before Coach McDaniels, you know, I would.
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Jason McIntyre
It's Funny, you hear these stories about Brady and Brady was lfg. The difference is I think he, I think Brady had some Baker Mayfield in him, but Tom was very measured. When he go on EEI radio or the podium, I just think Tom hit it. I think he has some Baker, he had chutzpah, he could be at attitude. When I watch Baker, I think there's guys that have it. I just think Baker's not afraid to say it at the podium. Do you like his personality when he comes out and just, I mean he just doesn't care what he's going to say at the podium?
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Julian Edelman
Yeah, I love his personality because he's a dog. But the reason why it's working right now is because he's performing and you know, when, when, when you can go out and show that you can make the plays in the high pressure situations, it makes everyone on the team believe. I played on a team where we thought we could win every week because of our quarterback. And it seems like right now, Tampa, they have such a belief in Baker. Regardless if it's how he talks to the media or how he's playing, they believe. And when they believe, the defense plays a little better, the offense plays a little better, the special teams plays a little better because it's a quarterback league and we all depend on the quarterback. So I think that's where the similarities are with Tom and Bake, are that everyone believes that they're the guy. If you believe he's the guy, it doesn't matter how you get them to believe, they're believing.
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Jason McIntyre
Finally Tonight we got two old 40 year olds quarterbacking on Thursday night. Do you remember a game on Thursday when you had a big Sunday? Let's say you had 12 targets, nine catches and you got beat up a little and all of a sudden here comes Thursday. Were you still sore Wednesday night and Thursday morning?
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Julian Edelman
Oh yeah, without a doubt. Thursdays, your, your whole team key is, let's just get out with a win. It's usually going to be a fundamental week because there's no practice that you're probably going to be in shells or you're going to have accelerated walkthroughs. Everyone's trying to get their body to the best they possibly can. It'll be a real vanilla scheme that you know because you're going to run the best plays that your team runs the best at because you're not going to have a lot of mental, you're not going to have a lot of physical reps. And it always seems to.
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Jason McIntyre
Be a division game.
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Julian Edelman
Whenever it's a Thursday, I felt like we played the Jets a bunch. So there is going to be that familiarity, there's going to be that rivalry, but it's whatever it takes to get the win. And Aaron right now is playing that way. He's doing what it takes to win ball games, not put up huge numbers. And I think he's doing a great job and I believe that they're going to come in. I know they don't do very well on the Pittsburgh Steelers don't do well on Thursday nights on the road or whatever, but I think this is a different year with Aaron. He seems to be in a good space. The team believes in him. And you know, I know that they haven't played anyone very special yet, but when you continue to collect wins, you gain confidence. And all these guys are looking up at their quarterback. They haven't seen a guy like that since Big Ben got hurt his last year or a couple years before his last year. So, you know, I'm excited to see what the Steelers do. And you know, the Thursday night games, you're definitely sore. You definitely want to get out of there and you want to get the game done with with the win because it is a baby buy afterwards. So everyone's got a little light at the end of the tunnel.
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Jason McIntyre
Be sure to catch live editions of.
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Julian Edelman
The Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Jason McIntyre
Hi, this is Jay. I'm the producer of the Paulie and Tony Fusco show. Usually in these promos they ask you to listen to the show. I'm here to ask you, please don't listen to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable. Don't listen to this show so it can get canceled. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Julian Edelman
What the hell are you doing in our studio? Get him, Paulie. Ignore that fool.
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Jason McIntyre
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Julian Edelman Games with names podcast doing his local charities in Boston as he's prone to do when he goes back home. And it's great seeing him.
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Julian Edelman
Put me in, baby, put me in. And Boys and Girls Club of Boston, everyone go check them out.
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Jason McIntyre
Awesome. Thanks, buddy.
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Julian Edelman
All right, guys.
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Jason McIntyre
Julian Edelman. Yeah. Thursday night games are my bigger issues. The dual Monday night games. What's the point? You're taking quarterback. I mean you took, you took Josh Allen out of the Sunday window and then you took Caleb and Jaden Daniels out of the Sunday window. So back to back weeks, once it was like, I think it was a buy for the Bears and then it was Monday night. Look, what are you doing? The Bears are one of the more fascinating teams in the league. If you want to put the jets on Thursday night and take them out of the one o' clock window, I'm good with it. But you know, I'm getting a lot of Cam Warden, Spencer Rattler on Sunday. I want more Josh Allen. I actually, you know, it's interesting. I think Drake may now has become a very good watch. I think Michael Penix in Atlanta's offense are a really good watch. Keep him on Sunday.
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Colin Cowherd
Let me ask Colin, can I ask you something real quick because I like this take by you. So what do you view as the marquee draw for the NFL Sunday seven hours or Monday island game? Sunday night island game, Thursday island game.
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Jason McIntyre
I think if you ask the NFL, the four big games are the cbs, Fox Sunday late Sunday night Football, singular Monday. Okay, but you as a fan, I. Let me tell you something. I watch red zone early window. I don't like red zone late. I would rather watch big screen one game. There's usually one great game late window, sometimes two. I don't need to watch the Arizona Cardinal game or the Saints game in the late window. The, the red zone, you know, the red zone to me is real. I look forward to, I've looked forward to it since it came out. I, I, I just, I really don't. I understand Amazon. They have a reservoir of money. You're going to get into the streaming business. That's their, I mean Fox had it for a year or two. Was it a year? Amazon comes in, they're going to. That's, I get it. But the duel Monday night, I don't get the winner because now you're asking me to choose. There's two Games on. And I wanted to watch Josh Allen, and frankly, I wanted to watch Pennix. He's a Husky. I wanted to watch him play. Okay, now I'm watching the Bear. Well, now we got a Dodger game on. So now you're make. Now you got baseball, playoff game, and the NFL wins all the time. But for me, when the Dodgers were playing, I had the Dodgers on the biggest screen because baseball, you have to watch closely. I can watch smaller screen football games and follow it. You need to hear a baseball game and kind of, you know how they're trying to solve their pitching moves. So I think the NFL has always been able to just throw their games on and they get a big audience. But when you have a. If you had a Yankee, Dodger, World Series for me, Dodgers, Mariners, or two games on Monday, I'm watching. I'm watching the World Series.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think ideally, as a fan, they would love Sunday. Six in the early window, six in the late window. Because you're right, sometimes the late window has three games. And it's like the Saints, the Cardinals, bad teams. I like the split, but they won't do that because obviously they want big numbers and ad revenue.
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Jason McIntyre
And I get it.
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Colin Cowherd
It's a business capitalism. But from a fan perspective.
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Jason McIntyre
So this week, Baker Mayfield and the Lions are on Monday. Baker's an incredible watch. You just took him out of Sunday. And Detroit coming off that loss to Kansas City, that's going to be one of the top three games of the weekend.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
And then Texans at The Seahawks again, C.J. stroud, Sam Darnold, those are top 15 quarterbacks.
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Colin Cowherd
Those are four of the top 12 teams in the league.
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Jason McIntyre
Baker, C.J. stroud, and Darnold out of the Sunday window. What are you doing? I. I mean, I'm obviously.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, well, there was Justin Fields against TUA in a Monday, and that's like, unwatchable. So what's the answer? You know, like, it is tough, but I. I like Sundays, man, seven hours just laying around watching every game. To me, that's the best. And I. I don't want to see a bunch of backup quarterbacks. It kind of kills it, you know.
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Jason McIntyre
But J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, no.
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Julian Edelman
Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, let's start with a little quote. Quarterback. I don't know if it's a controversy, but this JJ McCarthy, Carson Wentz thing is interesting. McCarthy is back at practice, but says he's not 100% yet. McCarthy has not returned to the lineup officially. He's getting a bunch of reps. It sounds like it's going to be Carson Wentz Collin in a revenge spot against the Eagles. I know a lot of people like the Vikings here off a buy. Vikings offensive lines healthy. Vikings defense is healthy. Van Grinkle's back. I'm sorry, but I said it yesterday. I like the Eagles here. I think this is a get right spot for them. If they don't get right, then it's press the panic button.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I'm going to stay away. I mean, I think Minnesota would at two and a half. I really like Minnesota getting two and a half at home. At one and a half, one, not as much. I think it's a stay away game. I mean, we know Minnesota's good at home. I think you give a little extra time to Kevin o', Connell, it could be punitive for that secondary. Mitchell may not play. I think the game that is. I don't like betting ugly games, but I think Cleveland in 50 mile an hour winds against 2 in Miami. That thing has 179 written all over it. Browns.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. One more note on the Vikings and McCarthy. So obviously when he came out of Michigan, he was kind of skinny. He got hurt, missed the entire season. Colin, you know, he's played eight quarters in his NFL career. Out of 20, I believe 23 possible games. He's barely played football. At what point are we like, dude, or is it just unlucky? I don't know because I'll be honest, I'm not inspired by Carson Wentz at all. I think the Eagles eat him up here and I think he struggles.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I just, I think this is a big part of the Eli Manning, Favre, Brady story. They were available. Mahomes gets banged, he's available. I think it's a big part of being a pro athlete.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, let's move on to Mike Vrabel and the New England Patriots. Fun little information. Tidbit here. It's not just Vrabel returning to Tennessee. Colin. Unbelievably, I had not seen this prior. Ten members of his former staff in Tennessee left the Titans to go join Mike Vrabel in New England. That is incredible. Essentially they were like, we don't trust the GM to figure it out here. We like this guy Vrabel. 10 of his staffers left with him. Colin. That is staggering. Now I know coaches leave all the time and we see this movement. I just find it hard to believe that 10 guys would bail unless they really believed in Drabel.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, yeah, I think. I mean, if you go to the last three coaching hires that we knew would succeed. Harbaugh, Chargers, Peyton, Broncos, Vrabel, Patriots. Pretty easy. Dan Quinn was a good hire, but he had gotten fired in Atlanta. We didn't quite know. When he lost Shanahan, he didn't quite feel the same. Yeah, I mean, Vrabel's just one of the smartest guys. Every time I talk to a Patriot player, they will tell you as competitive and as smart as any player, including Brady, that was ever there. Super smart, super competitive. I talked to Mike several times. We texted back and forth before he got the Patriot job. He was restless. He wanted to coach. He really wanted to get back into coaching. I think it's a great fit. To be able to have Drake May and not have to pay him big money for four years is just such an advantage.
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Colin Cowherd
Colin, can I just say one quick thing? When Brady and Belichick left, as a Jets fan, I'm doing the happy dance, baby. I'm like, all right, you guys had your two decades. We got next. We don't have that. We do not have next. They got Vrabel and they got Drake May. And the jets have another coach who we don't know if he's going to last. And they have Justin Fields, who we know is not going to last.
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Jason McIntyre
No. Jets are a mile from competency at this point.
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Colin Cowherd
Unbelievable. Colin. Even the Dolphins fans are like, damn, we thought when Brady was gone, we had a shot. No chance. Now it's Josh Allen and the Patriots once again, just so super sad as a Jets fan. Final story. Let's go to the NBA. Colin, I know you're fired up about the preseason. How about this Cooper flag Last night, starting at point guard. And I'm not going to lie, he looked pretty good. Yes. I'm checking out NBA preseason highlights. Cooper flag, command of the offense, running the show is like a six, nine. Magic Johnson.
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Jason McIntyre
Let me put this my bet. I think Dallas is easily. I think Dallas would win the East. I don't think they'll win the West. I think they're stacked. I think it's the biggest. I mean, if Cooper flag. You know why Jason Kidd's considering putting him a point guard? It's a matchup nightmare.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Look how. Look how big their front court is. They are. They are huge. And now you put Cooper flag at point. I think it. I think Jason Kidd's looking at it, thinking, let's force teams to figure out how to match up with us.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. A fun macro issue right now in the league. The Houston Rockets Are experimenting with a lineup where everybody is taller than 6, 6. And now the Dallas Mavericks are doing the same. So we've ushered out the small ball, gunner, gunner era, and we're not going big. Gunners Dallas and Houston could be the new prototype around the league. Keep an eye on San Antonio as well. They got big guards. A little changing of the guard, if you will, in the NBA.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I mean, last year, Klay Thompson was there, was their last night. Klay Thompson was their smallest starter, plays about 6, 5. So I never bought into the small ball. I think you and I talked about this. There's no such thing as small ball. It was Steph Curry and Clay were the best shooting backcourt ever. And Draymond was a remarkably skilled 6, 7 who played at 7ft. They had unique personnel. Small mall never worked for Houston. It never worked for anybody else. Think about this. The NFL is a big man sport, and the NBA basketball is a tall man sport and a late sport. Let's get really small. It didn't work with anybody. It worked because of Steph Clay and Draymond. And even, even, by the way, they were at their best when they added the length, the length of Kevin Durant. So I, I never bought into small ball. Houston. Daryl Morey tried it. It didn't work. Because I think sometimes you just have, you know, when the Patriots ushered in, like, we're gonna, we're gonna bring in two tight ends, the late Aaron Hernandez and Gronk. And people are like, oh, tight ends are undervalued. No, Gronk's a top four tight end ever. And Aaron, Hernandez and Gronk would tell you this, he might as well have been an NBA player. You could put him in the backfield, you could put him at tight end, you could put him at slot. I remember talking to Patrick Chung once for the Patriots. I said, who's the best guy you've ever covered? He goes, aaron Hernandez. He's like, he can run like a receiver, he can catch like a back or a receiver, he can block like a tight end. So size in my lifetime has always been a huge factor in the NBA. I think Dallas is so undervalued.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, remember Dallas lost Kyrie Irving. He'll miss most of the season, small point guard. And Houston lost Fred Van Vliet, who's out for the season. Small point guard. Their answer, let's just go big. This is a fascinating experiment. We'll see what happens.
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Jason McIntyre
J. Mac with the news.
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Julian Edelman
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm trying to think of another comp where, you know, I mean it's like when the Yankees had Mariano Rivera. I mean everybody wanted a good closer, but Mariano is really valuable if you have a lead. If you'd have put Mariano on bad teams, you know, he would have still been Mariano Rivera. But he was so valuable and so great on the Yankees because let's be honest, they were in big playoff games, they had one run leads and Mariano was the greatest closer of all time. Closers, you know, we've said this with there are certain players like pass rushers are really, really effective. Like Max Crosby is great. But how often do the Raiders lead late in the game? Like the Raiders play teams late that are running the ball to kill the clock because the Raiders trail late. I remember talking to Bill Polian one time. He talked about he goes we knew when we drafted Peyton Manning we were going to lead 90% of our games in the fourth quarter. We had to get like Dwight Freeney. We needed pass rushers because we knew we would lead late in games. Sometimes you get like Max Crosby is this unbelievable pass rusher. Can you imagine putting him like Micah Parsons to Green Bay? Dallas this year, last couple years is not necessarily leading games with six minutes to go. Micah with Green Bay is going to be in these games the next three months. Packers lead late and they need a sack. Derrick Henry's not nearly as valuable when you're losing late. You know what I mean? It it, it's just the reality of the the position in Chicago. Wrap it up next, the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of.
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Jason McIntyre
I'll Tell you what, we've talked about Russell Westbrook, not very frequently. I thought he did a great job with Denver off the bench. But Russell Westbrook is going to make the hall of fame. He's got 300 million plus net worth. Could be more. He's playing now seven team in seven years. Sacramento Kings a mess. They're just a mess. It could be the worst team in the league right now. A couple years ago they had the light the beam. Now they're, you know, couldn't light a campfire, so nobody cares. But Russell Westbrook is on his seventh team in seven years. His contract is like league minimum. Veteran minimum, like 3 million. So he plays in California. He'll get half of that. So 1.5 million for a guy with 300 million net worth. The story about Russell Westbrook in Sacramento is that guy loves ball. Yeah, that is a guy that loves basketball. He could close it down. It'd be one thing if he was on a, like the Celtics or the Pacers or like a real viable team or the Knicks or Denver okc. Oh, I get playing. You're gonna be losing every night you're in Sacramento. It's kind of a nothing to do town. I mean it's not, it's considered like the, you know, not one of the more dynamic places to live. Not much of a nightlife. He doesn't, you know, I'm sure doesn't have a network of friends there. Bad team, doesn't need the money. Legacy is set. He's playing because he loves basketball. You got to respect guys that do this. Well, like I see some of these guys, I mean, why, I mean that Sacramento is bottom of the league. No chance to win 40 games, go 500. Why is he playing? He loves basketball.
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Colin Cowherd
Colin. It reminds me of Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony at the end. Two other hall of Famers, legendary players, they just never adapted to what was going on around them. Russell Westbrook never developed a three point shot. That's why he's on his seventh team in seven years. And he's ornery.
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Jason McIntyre
I would say this. I will defend Russell Westbrook in Denver. Whereas Carmelo Anthony rolled his eyes at everybody that suggested he was a bench player.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes, fair.
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Jason McIntyre
Russell Westbrook totally embraced it. May not have loved it, came off the bench and was unbelievably productive. And he's also, when he's coming off the bench, he's going up against backups a lot of the time. You know, I mean he's athletically insane. So again, I always said Russell Westbrook has kind of one gear.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
And as he's aged, he's got more self awareness and his gear isn't as pedal to the metal like he can play with a little more tempo. But I thought he was great in Denver. I thought his energy off the bench was palpable. He could get your reap. He's always been a good rebounding guard. But I, it's. I. Carmelo was like, I'm not coming off the bench. Westbrook's like, okay, I'll come off the bench.
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Colin Cowherd
So let me ask you.
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Jason McIntyre
Dominate the backups. And he. I thought he was great for the.
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Colin Cowherd
Nuggets, so he was great for a great team. Denver was an elite team with Jokic. Now you're going to the dregs of the league. Do you think Russ is going to be okay coming off the bench for one of the worst teams in the league?
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Jason McIntyre
No, I'm not sure he will. I'm not sure he's starting. No, he's. I can guarantee you this. He's one of their two best athletes.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, man, this is. That's going to be dicey. But I do thank you for bringing up the Sacramento Kings. That's, you know, the only time we'll talk about them all season.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, well, they're. That's all. That's. And that's all they deserve. Can you guys throw up the NFL schedule this weekend? I got my blazing five picks. I sent him in Tuesday, so I'm way ahead of schedule tonight. I like Pittsburgh, but I think. I think Joe Flacco at home keeps it close. You know, I think it's very much 2317 ish. Pittsburgh. I like. You know what, Without Puka Nakua. Keep your eye on an upset potential for Jaguars and the Rams. Dangerous overseas. Keep your eye on that. I did not like the Jags at all last week. I like them in this spot. I didn't like them after the Chiefs win last week. They played poorly. I like the Jags again this weekend. I'm going to stay away from Vikings and Eagles. I do think the Bears beat the Saints.
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Colin Cowherd
It might be close, though. Colin. Just be careful. That number's coming down.
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Jason McIntyre
Let me throw this at you. You know what could end up being the best game of the weekend?
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Colin Cowherd
Jets, Panthers.
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Jason McIntyre
Atlanta, Atlanta, San Francisco.
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Colin Cowherd
There's just too many questions for San Francisco. I don't know who's playing. Hey, let me quickly go back real quick to Tomlin tonight. Our staff just came up with some staggering numbers. Mike Tomlin on Thursday Night Football on the road 2 and 8 in his last 10 verse the division 2 and 7 in his last 10. For whatever reason, Mike Tomlin struggling in recent years to get his team up for Thursday Night Football. This is a real flat spot tonight and I have a feeling tomorrow you're going to be leading with maybe Aaron Rodgers isn't the answer in Pittsburgh.
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Jason McIntyre
No. You know, that's an what's fascinating about those numbers. Why would Tomlin be bad on Thursday? How about this, he's very much a player's coach. He doesn't love Thursday Night Football. He kind of resents it because he's a players coach and he thinks it's unfair to the players and it's a money grab by the NFL and he doesn't give you his best motivational tactics.
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Colin Cowherd
And players feed off of his lack of energy.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, and I'm just saying Mike may look at it as a survival week. It's not an inspired week. He doesn't get to use his strengths as a coach, which are motivational, aspirational. I mean Mike is a guy that likes to get into the weeds and get into have real relationships with players. It's very hard. You only get a couple of days of practice. It's mostly walkthrough stuff. Yeah, it's a hard week for Mike Tomlin to lean into his strengths as a coach. So on third, I mean, nothing else makes sense. It's like why would Sean Payton be so average in September? There's a reason. Because he puts so much on the quarterback's plate. Because he wants to be ready by December. Belichick not good in September. Tomlin not good on Thursday. These are not coincidental. There's a reason. So I do think it's really close, but I'll take Aaron over Flacco late. See you tomorrow. Weighted vests are everywhere right now and it's not just a fad. The science is clear. Carrying extra weight boosts calorie burn, ramps up natural human growth hormone and testosterone in the body and builds real world strength. Not all vests though are built the same and low quality gear is getting guys hurt. That's why I'm all for Wolf Tacticals True Fit weighted vest. Go to wolftactical USA.com take your training and physique to the next level. The code is HERD15 for 15% off your order. That's H E R D15 at checkout only at wolftacticalusa.com the next time you.
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