THE HERD - Hour 3 - Malik Willis In Miami & Mike Evans To San Francisco

Summary

Podcast Summary: THE HERD - Hour 3 - Malik Willis In Miami & Mike Evans To San Francisco

Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Episode Date: March 9, 2026
Hosts: LaVar Arrington & Jonas Knox (in for Colin Cowherd)
Producer/Contributor: Greg Tuohy
Length Covered: [03:01]–[53:33]
Theme: Reaction and analysis of major NFL free agency moves, focusing on Malik Willis joining the Miami Dolphins and Mike Evans signing with the San Francisco 49ers, amid a busy NFL tampering window.

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode of The Herd focuses on the NFL’s legal tampering period, with deep dives into significant free agency news—especially the implications of Malik Willis’s move to Miami and Mike Evans heading to San Francisco. The hosts offer immediate reactions, contextual analysis, debate about quarterback value, and a wider look at the shifting landscape in several NFL divisions.

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Key Topics & Analysis

1. NFL Legal Tampering Period: Breaking News & Early Moves

Timestamps: [03:03]–[07:40]

• Travis Etienne to Saints: Former Jaguars RB signs with New Orleans, raising questions about Alvin Kamara’s future.
  • “If you do see Alvin Kamara, I’d recommend taking the stairs.” — Jonas Knox [04:40]
• Tyler Shough’s Surprise Emergence: Saints ride unexpectedly good QB play into the new season.
• NFC South Outlook: The division is in flux; hosts highlight instability and question the prospects of all four teams.

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2. NFC South Breakdown & QB Talk

Timestamps: [07:40]–[10:09]

• Dissection of each NFC South team’s trajectory.
• Optimism for Bryce Young and Panthers’ emerging potential.
• Baker Mayfield remains the division’s steadiest QB, though Tampa Bay’s future is in question.

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3. Malik Willis Signs with the Miami Dolphins

Timestamps: [11:44]–[22:59]

• Details: Three-year, $45 million deal (guaranteed)—leads to debate on his likely role.
• Is he truly their starter?: Skepticism about whether this contract signals commitment or just competition.
  • “I just don’t think that’s a job security starting quarterback contract. I don’t subscribe to it.” — LaVar Arrington [12:40]
• Willis’s Career Path: From a hyped draft pick, disappointing stay in Tennessee, stint in Green Bay, to becoming a “project” in Miami.
• Analysis from TJ Houshmandzadeh (previous hour) is referenced: Willis is likely to be in a run-heavy offense, and this is a “wait and see” move.
• Comparison to Past QBs: Parallels drawn to Teddy Bridgewater and Matt Flynn—these types of contracts can be more “prove it” than franchise-defining.
  • “Remember Matt Flynn? Matt Flynn got that deal in Seattle and then they drafted Russell Wilson...and Wilson outplayed him…” — Jonas Knox [22:28]

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4. Expectations & Caution Around the Willis Deal

Timestamps: [20:12]–[22:59]

• Hosts agree this is a low-expectation, high-potential upside gamble for Miami.
• “Why would you put yourself too far over your skis in terms of excitement for the potential of what he could be?” — LaVar Arrington [21:13]
• “And probably the only team that was going to give him a deal like this...because they know him so well.” — Jonas Knox [21:48]

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5. Mike Evans to the 49ers: A New Chapter

Timestamps: [32:25]–[38:52]

• Breaking News: Mike Evans leaves Tampa Bay, signs a three year, up to $60 million deal (guarantees undisclosed) with San Francisco.
• Agent’s official statement emphasizes Evans’s desire for a fresh challenge and a Super Bowl run.
  • “Mike’s goals remain the same as they’ve always been: to compete for another super bowl, to play in an offensive system that stresses defenses, and to be in an environment where he can continue to push himself and contribute at the highest level.” — Statement via Greg Tuohy [34:03]
• Hosts analyze:
  • Motivation: Not about the money, but about “a new challenge.”
  • Fit: How Evans’s veteran presence could help Shanahan and whether he can still be consistent and durable.
  • Tampa’s future: Evans’s departure signals potential for a tear-down and rebuild in Tampa Bay.
    • “If I’m going to continue to play, I can’t continue to play in this—whatever this is.” — LaVar Arrington [35:28]
  • Caution over viewing San Francisco as Super Bowl favorites, given injury issues and competition in the NFC West.

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6. AFC/NFC Landscape, Coaching, and Dynasty Windows

Timestamps: [29:37]–[32:25]; [39:43]–[41:48]

• Chiefs’ Moves and Dynasty Talks: Kenneth Walker signs with Kansas City; questions about how much longer Andy Reid and Travis Kelce have.
  • “I would like to go out with Patrick Mahomes on the field and not...in a really disappointing season.” — Jonas Knox [30:19]
  • General sense that the Chiefs’ dynasty window may be closing soon.
• AFC/NFC Power Dynamics:
  • NFC West competitive analysis: skepticism about 49ers’ dominance, praise for Seahawks and Rams.

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7. Trade Drama & NFL Petty Politics

Timestamps: [49:07]–[52:06]

• Maxx Crosby not traded to Patriots: Reports suggest Tom Brady (now in Raiders management) intervened to avoid strengthening Bill Belichick’s New England.
  • “That’s shady, man.” — LaVar Arrington [52:06]
  • “I would trade my player to whatever was going to get me the best offer…” — Jonas Knox [51:22]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “If you do see Alvin Kamara, I’d recommend taking the stairs.” — Jonas Knox [04:40]
• “I just don’t think that’s a job security starting quarterback contract.” — LaVar Arrington [12:40]
• “I’m not trying to come down hard on him. I’m just speaking reality.” — LaVar Arrington on Malik Willis [18:10]
• “Mike’s goals remain the same as they’ve always been: to compete for another super bowl...” — Mike Evans statement via Greg Tuohy [34:03]
• “If I’m going to continue to play, I can’t continue to play in this—whatever this is.” — LaVar Arrington on Tampa Bay [35:28]
• “I just think it’s pretty dangerous to get too excited over an unproven entity at that position.” — Jonas Knox, on Malik Willis [22:49]
• “That’s shady, man.” — LaVar Arrington reacting to reports of Tom Brady blocking trade [52:06]

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Important Segments & Timestamps

| Topic | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------|------------------------| | Tampering window kicks off; Etienne signs with Saints | [04:08]–[06:33] | | NFC South QB/Team breakdown | [07:40]–[10:09] | | Malik Willis signs with Miami; debate on his role | [11:44]–[19:09] | | The “wait and see” approach to Willis | [20:12]–[22:59] | | Chiefs, Reid, Kelce, dynasty window | [29:37]–[32:25] | | Mike Evans to 49ers; statement and impact | [32:25]–[38:52] | | NFC West power/playoff discussion | [39:43]–[41:48] | | Maxx Crosby trade drama and NFL politics | [49:07]–[52:06] |

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, lively, and sometimes irreverent (“If you see Alvin Kamara, take the stairs”).
• Analytical yet playful, with jokes mixed into serious football talk.
• Genuine skepticism around league hype and measured realism regarding overreaction (especially with QB moves like Malik Willis).
• Frequent referencing of past NFL moves and history to contextualize current events.

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Conclusion

This episode captures both the frenzy and the caution that come with NFL free agency. The hosts break down rumors, dissect motivations behind major moves (with healthy skepticism for hype), and offer context about both the players and franchises. Insightful, accessible, and highly entertaining, the episode is essential listening for anyone wanting to understand the rapidly changing NFL landscape during one of its most pivotal weeks of the year.

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You're listening to FOX Sports Radio. Oh, what a day we got moving and shaking in the NFL. The tampering windows open. What are we about two hours into the tampering window? The legal tampering period in the NFL is open. It is wide open and we've got movement around the league. It is lavar Arrington and Jonas Knox in for calling here on the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. You can find us live on the iHeartRadio app on hundreds of affiliates all across the country. If you're listening on the podcast, we appreciate you doing so as we take you all the way up until the end of this hour, 3 o' clock Eastern time, noon Pacific. We've been talking a lot about the movement in the NFL. We've got the great Greg Tuohy here who is monitoring the transaction wire for the legal tampering period. So to time for another update from Tongan Tui himself to find out who's going where in the national football game.

[C]

Breaking news from Fox Sports.

[D]

All right, guys, this is another sneaky good signing here. Travis etn Jags running back Travis ETN will be signing with the Saints. With the Saints.

[C]

I mean, what happened to their running back?

[B]

What.

[C]

What's his name?

[B]

The.

[C]

The.

[B]

The McAllister.

[C]

The, the elevator Assassin.

[D]

Kamara. Alvin Kamara.

[C]

Yeah. What happened to him?

[B]

You know, he's, you know, not. Not the player he once was. And yeah, by the way, that's a rap for him. If you do see Alvin Camara, I'd recommend taking the stairs.

[D]

He's under contract this year, so I think it's a nice little one, two punch.

[C]

Is that what that is? Yeah, that's. So that's. You're.

[B]

I see what you did there, too. One, two punch. I see what he did there.

[D]

In the gutter.

[B]

Classic.

[C]

Always in the gutter. That one isn't in the gutter. That one's in the elevator.

[B]

I told you, man. You see him Take the stairs. That's the lesson.

[C]

Elevator door open. I think I, I'll wait for the next one.

[D]

Thank you.

[B]

You know what's great about that story, though?

[C]

No worries, man. Don't worry.

[B]

They knew he had assaulted a guy at an elevator, but they still let him play the Pro Bowl. We don't want.

[C]

I had to do a little bit more investigating.

[B]

Listen, we don't want to take him out of this game, but, yeah, it is now. Travis ATN so.

[C]

Well, I think was a tremendously disappointing year for the New Orleans Saints, but

[B]

I do, I do think the Saints come away going. We got our quarterback Tyler, trying to

[D]

build around them, trying to get.

[B]

Tyler Shuck played much better than I think anybody thought he was going to play. I believe he just turned 34, if I'm not mistaken. So maybe, you know, maybe that's a bit long in the tooth, but he played a lot better than I think a lot of people expected. And I think the Saints are still. Because, remember, back before the season started, they were predicted to be the worst team in the league. It was the tanking for Arch Manning. They were, you know, all the stars are going to align. They're going to bring him back. And then you come to find out the Saints haven't drafted a quarterback in the first round since Archie Manning. That was the last time. So Drew Brees, obviously from the Chargers, all the quarterbacks that they've had, they've never drafted one in the first round. And if they in fact found their guy in Tyler Shuck, that's going to be another guy that was drafted later on and he performed at a high level last year and they were a fun team to watch.

[C]

They went four, one under Shuck the last, the last part of season, finishing up, stabilizing their, their salary cap situation. I, I listen, if, if Shuck can be that guy now that they have film on him and, and they can move forward, I, I just think that there are a lot. Isn't Cam Jordan, isn't he gone this year?

[B]

He isn't he even. He's a free agent. They'll bring him back. But

[C]

like Kellen Moore is, is a, is a fine, fine coach. Like, I, I think his, his history says that he can build an offense and this team can be a, a very, very productive unit. But what are they going to do on defense? And, and, and listen, I, I just. Does this, does adding, adding this piece to the backfield, Etn to the backfield. I mean, do you feel confident in this personnel altogether? 4 and 1 could be misleading if you ask me.

[B]

So Jordan Schultz is reporting that the deal for Travis ATN is four years, 52 million. We don't know the guarantees and what. What that entails, but my one question about him would be, why did it take so long as. All right, man, here's what we're going to let you do. You don't have a favorite team. We're just going to like whatever name I pulled. I'd be like, is there anything else? And throw four names in a hat. We're going to shake them up and you got to pick one and it's the NFC South. What's going on?

[C]

Is there any other choice? Like you said, gun to my. I don't know.

[B]

Can I just. Can I just watch baseball in September maybe? Or like. I don't know. Yeah. Do I really have to go?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

Yeah. That division's rough, man. Tampa Bay. Who knows what's gonna happen with Mike Evans, but it appears that that's a real likelihood that he could be going. El yeah. And then you've got New Orleans.

[C]

Didn't seem like they were trending up. Tampa Bay was like a disappointing team. Seemed like they had the. The ability to trend up more than what they did. It seemed like they cracked their heads off of a ceiling as well. And then you look at Carolina and Carolina gave you glimpses like there was. There was positive moments for Carolina, like things to get excited about. Tetoa tmac is a beast. He is a beast. And it even gave life to. To Bryce Young and what he's able to bring to the table. This team showed some signs of life this year. In fact, it would probably be the team I'm highest on in this division. I love Bijan Robinson. I think they got some fine football players that they've brought in on. On that Atlanta Falcons team. But I just think that there big a question mark. There are bigger question marks in my estimation with Michael Penck and this Atlanta Falcons team than even with Bryce Young moving forward with this Carolina Panthers team. And with that being said, I like Baker Mayfield. I think Baker Mayfield is the best quarterback in that division. I just don't know where this Tampa Bay team is going currently after seeing the way they finished the year last year. That's just my take.

[B]

They did resign Kate Otten. Tight end Kate Otten is going back to the Bucks. Yeah. So. And then you've got the Malik.

[C]

Right.

[B]

They're friends.

[C]

They could go up or they could go down. Like you don't know which Way this Tampa team is going to go this

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year and then you've got the rumors that are out there that to attack a Bailoa who was released by the Dolphins earlier today potentially could end up in Atlanta. You know, create some competition there for Michael Penix Jr. A couple of lefties out there, they should, you know, they should do just bring back every lefty that ever existed in the NFL.

[C]

So why don't we do that? Mike Vick, who else?

[B]

Steve Young wasn't. Wasn't Boomer Siason.

[C]

Wasn't Jacksonville, Jacksonville quarterback. Wasn't he a lefty too?

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Oh, Mark Brunel.

[C]

Brunel, lefty.

[B]

Oh, of course.

[A]

You.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Todd Marinovich, Todd Morenovich. I mean, if we're doing this, let's do it. Will sure. Anybody remember him back in the day.

[C]

Are you sure that was a lefty?

[B]

I think so. If he's not, he should have been

[C]

a hell of a pool if you, you pulled that many lefties out.

[B]

That's what I'm talking about, man.

[C]

It's 11:11. Make a wish. City hour.

[B]

All right, so. So, Tui, what are the other, the other moves that are making the. Making the, the headlines here?

[C]

Jones got picked up. Has anybody picked up?

[D]

Kenneth Walker is going to Kansas City.

[B]

Right.

[C]

What about Michael Thomas? We were talking about the Saints. Anything for Michael Thomas.

[B]

Didn't he beat up some guy who was doing construction on the street?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Micha, think. I think he threw a brick at some guy's window.

[C]

What about Todd Gurley? Is Todd Gurley's out there. You need running backs. What about Todd Gurley?

[B]

Imagine being that construction worker. You're just trying to do your job. You've got. You've got safety cones out and an NFL receiver throws a brick at your windshield.

[D]

Travis Kelsey will be returning to Kansas City, also one year deal. This was Indy. Indy made some moves today. Alec Pierce is back. Four year, 116 million deal. Million dollar deal, 84 million guaranteed. And then they traded Michael Pittman to Pittsburgh, which we think could be a sign maybe they're trying to get Aaron Rodgers back. Mike McCarthy, there's a lot of. A lot of stuff aligning there. Malik Willis heading to Miami. Three year deal, $45 million guaranteed. LaVar is not convinced he could be the starter. But that's a lot of money.

[C]

He'll get what, like 25 or something to that effect this year, this season. 25 million?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

What are the guarantees on his 45 million guarantees?

[B]

45 guarantee, but a 67 million? Yeah.

[D]

So we'll see how it plays out.

[C]

But does that break down to like 25 or something to that effect by the year?

[B]

No, 15. By the year three. It's a three year deal. 45. All right.

[C]

No, I do not think that the figure is high enough for it to definitively say they're not going to do something else or somebody may compete for that starting job. It's not, I don't think that that's a job security starting quarterback contract. I, I don't, I don't, I don't subscribe to it.

[B]

Hey, for, for six starts in your career, it's a good living.

[C]

I'm not mad. I'm not mad. But that's just like I said, I looked it up. It, it does say multi tier. It, it actually, it says lower tier. It's, it's closer to a lower tier starting quarterback's contract than it is to, to a top tier.

[D]

I just don't know what, I don't know what to make of Quinn yours. I mean, a lot of people like him down there. I just, I don't know. I watched him a lot at Texas and I just don't know that he's a starting caliber NFL quarterback, like long term, but he's a guy you compete with.

[C]

Willis for sure. We have the conversation of Malik Willis just being an incumbent starting quarterback with his body of work. How do you, how do you.

[D]

Six starts, right?

[C]

How do you confidently say, this is our guy, this is who we're going with, this is the starter?

[B]

Well, I think a lot of it is based on what this market looks like this year through the draft, the other quarterbacks that were, that were available. And I think that's why Malik Willis stepped up and was the bell of the ball, as they say, because I think people looked at him and said, in comparison to the other quarterbacks around the league, look, if it was me and this might be, you know, a little controversial, I would have just stuck with Tua. Like, honest to God, I would have stuck with Tua and said, all right, maybe there's a new coaching staff, it's easier to get out of the contract next year. But if this was all about, you know, we need to, you know, we're trying to win games. I think Two has done more than Malik Willis has. Kyler Murray's done more than Malik Willis has.

[C]

What happened in Tennessee, like, let's, let's, let's take a step back here real quick because we're talking all of this hype. This is what's, what's happened is a market was created for Malik Willis through hype. Because I recall us being on this show and having conversations about Malik Willis, and we were excited about Malik Willis's talent coming out of college, but maybe unproven, so on and so forth, yada yada, yada. And he goes to Tennessee and he's not in Tennessee anymore. He ends up in. He ends up in, in Green Bay. What happened in Tennessee, he was a starter there for, for a moment in time, wasn't he?

[B]

I don't think it.

[C]

I don't think he fared very well there. I'm just trying to understand where did we get to a point of where there's this definitive approach to saying that Malik Willis is the guy in free agency or the guy that you would have wanted to trade for, to bring to your team, to improve your team. I'm not a buyer of that. I'm not buying that.

[B]

Ryan. Ryan Tannehill was still in Tennessee. So Tannehill was still there. Malik Willis appeared a couple of times

[C]

for the Titans because Tannehill wasn't good.

[B]

And then, yeah, well, like you're behind, you're.

[C]

You're not starting behind a. A terrible starting quarterback, Will Levis. So I'll do respect. But I'm just saying there was the perfect opportunity. If he's as good as people are saying is, it would have been a perfect opportunity for him to take over a team and be the starting quarterback as a franchise guy. It didn't happen that way.

[B]

So we asked.

[C]

It didn't happen that way in Green Bay either.

[B]

We talked with TJ Usmanzada last hour who joined us here on Fox Sports Radio. He shared his thoughts on the Malik Willis signing in Miami. I actually thought he would end up with the Arizona Cardinals because of the connection of the LA Flores. I just felt. Felt like, oh, I'm gonna let my little brother know. You gotta get him. Do everything in your power to get him. The fact that he didn't end up with the Arizona Cardinals kind of concerns me. But happily was his defensive coordinator in Green Bay. He saw him every day in practice, understands his work ethic and what he is and what he isn't. And so this will be an interesting pairing, I'm assuming. Throw the ball 20 to 25 times a game, they gonna be run heavy. So that was TJ Hushman's auto who joined us last night.

[C]

I just don't think anyone should get carried away over this move. That's. That's all I'm saying. And I Would not be surprised if he doesn't maintain the starting job. And that's just off of the body of work. Like, I know he had some positive moments and he played some really, really great moments, some positive football for, for Green Bay when, when he got his opportunity to play. I just don't understand why people get so carried away in recency effect. Like he had an opportunity, he thrived and he did well. But I'm kind of with TJ if he's as good as, as people were making him out to be and in this scenario, why wouldn't you deliver the best quarterback available in this year's, you know, off season to your brother? Now granted that's they're both in nfc, you did deliver him to or you did go to a AFC team and that could be, that could play a major part in it. But I'm just trying to understand what the hoopla is about. If he gets into this next situation and he plays at a high level, then you can have large conversations about how well they did, the LaFleur and, and company did with developing him and helping him to find his feet and his legs in the NFL. And now we have a, a franchise guy that has developed somewhere else and had the opportunity to benefit in a different, a different franchise. It happens. We just watched Sam Darnold, which I don't consider Sam Darnold a franchise guy. I consider him to be. He's a good manager as a starter. And, and listen, I don't say manager with the idea of lessening who they are. I think more managers win Super Bowls than game changers. But what I'm saying is, is there are, there are franchise game managers and franchise game changers. And then there are starting quarterbacks that are not franchise guys. There are starting quarterbacks that are not game changers and they manage. I don't know what Malik Willis is today. I'm not trying to come down hard on him. I'm just speaking reality.

[B]

That's why I'm curious to see what the structure of the contract looks like. Because, you know, and I mentioned this earlier when Teddy Bridgewater signed a three year deal with Carolina a few years back and it was like, oh, they gave Teddy Bridgewater a three year deal. And then it turns out, well, they, they actually got out of it after one year, that it was really a one year deal. And so I wonder if Miami looks at this and says, all right, there's some familiarity there with the GM and the head coach. With Malik Willis, we bring him in, let's Give it a go. He gets more than six starts that he's had in his career. And if it doesn't work out, you know, we'll go back into the draft next year and try and see if we can, if we can find a quarterback there. But I think that Arizona's tanking. I mean, if we're being honest, like, Arizona's tanking. They would like to be in the quarterback mix next year, and Miami saw this as an opportunity to reunite, and that's. Maybe they feel like they can do special things with Malik Willis, and it remains to be seen. But I look at Arizona, I go, that's just a tank job. They're trying to get in the mix next year.

[C]

I'll pose this question to both of you. Would you be disappointed if Malik Willis did not produce and would there be any type of outrage if Malik Willis didn't turn out to be a starter that turns this Miami Dolphins team into a competitive team?

[B]

Depends on the structure of the contract. Like, if it's.

[C]

So you're purely basing it off of what they get. I mean, it's guaranteed. They got to pay him in the 40 millions.

[B]

Yeah, but compared to the 99, they're taking this year from two.

[C]

I mean, the top 10 quarterbacks are making 40 million in one year. Right. They're like in the 40s at least for one year. He's getting it over the duration. His guarantees are over the duration of time. Again, I, I, what about you? Would you be disappointed if Malik Willis didn't have a, A, a very, very productive year?

[D]

No, because I don't really have that high of expectation for him that based on what we've seen, he has six starts. Like, I just don't think, I just don't think you can.

[C]

And even if you do have a high ceiling for him, why would you put yourself too far over your skis in terms of excitement for the potential of what he could be? I think this is like a wait and see moment, I guess, is what I'm saying. It comes across as I'm being a hateful person towards Malik Willis. And I'm not. I'm just saying don't act as though this is, oh, we got him. Legal tampering.

[B]

Yeah, the window's open. Yeah, it's not.

[C]

Business is booming. We got Malik Willis today. Like, no, you can't.

[B]

And they were.

[C]

You can't lose yourself in that, that to that degree.

[B]

And probably the only team that was going to give him a deal like this. And because they know him so Well, I don't, I don't think any, I don't know how many teams around the NFL looked at Malik Willis and said yeah, that's the one. Like we got it. Because otherwise.

[D]

You guys remember Matt Schaub?

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

He was a backup for a couple years and then he went to and he was fine. He was a pro. Kyle Shanahan made him a pro. He was a starter and they were good. They made a couple of times. But you know what? Like he never was a Super Bowl. He was never going to win a Super bowl ball. Right.

[C]

And I think you entertain, you entertained it for a moment in Houston. You entertained it like can he get him to, can, can shop. Get him there.

[B]

It's like also, also if you want to do a, if you want to do a Packers comp. Remember Matt Flynn? Matt Flynn got that deal in Seattle and then they drafted Russell Wilson with a mid round or a third round pick or something like that and Wilson outplayed him and they just, they said, all right, well we know we committed all this money to him but we'll just give the opportunity to the better guy. And unless they do that in the mid rounds and somebo Malik Willis is going to be your starter at least

[C]

for this year for good or for bad. I just think it's pretty dangerous to get too excited over an unproven entity at that position. I think that that's ultimately what it comes down to.

[B]

Well, who knows, maybe the Dolphins will want to playoff game. It's been about 26 years.

[C]

Flipper.

[A]

Flip.

[B]

It's unbelievable.

[C]

Do it.

[B]

All right. It is the Herd here on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin coming up next here though, we are going to get the very latest from around the National Football League because apparently somebody not too optimistic about the future for one of the best organizations in the league. That'll be yours here on fsr. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am

[C]

Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartradio app

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[A]

Thank you so much, iheartradio. Thank you to all the other nominees. You guys are awesome.

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Hi, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast here's the Thing, I'm speaking with more artists, policymakers, and performers like composer Mark Shaiman.

[C]

Once you've established that you have the

[B]

talent, it's about the hang.

[C]

It's the pleasure of hanging out with

[B]

the people that you're with. You know, Rob and I was always a great hang. We would sit in kibbutz for hours and then eventually get around to the music. That's what I mostly think of when I think of him. The Time Together Laughing Lawyer Robbie Kaplan. The great gift of being a lawyer

[A]

is the ability to actually change things in our society in a way that very few people can. You can really make a difference to

[B]

causes in the United States if you

[A]

bring the right case at the right time. Marriage equality, yeah, Windsor's the perfect example.

[B]

And journalist Chris Whipple. Every White House staffer, they work in a bubble called the West Wing, and it's exponentially more so in the Trump White House. Listen to the new season of here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up a little over 15 minutes from now. You got to get it together, man. Grow up. Coming up a little over 15 minutes from now, we are going to have another edition of the Herd Line news with the great Greg too. That'll be yours here. As it is legal tampering time in the NFL. So we've got more from that from around the league. One of the other teams that was in the news earlier in the NFL was the Kansas City Chiefs. The Chiefs, Chiefs going out and signing Kenneth Walker to the contract earlier today. Kenneth Walker last seen winning an MVP in the Super Bowl. He now goes back. He goes to the Kansas City Chiefs there, departs Seattle, ends up in Kansas City, provides him some assistance from, from the run game standpoint. It was also announced earlier the expectation is Travis Kelce will be back with Kansas City. There was a thought that maybe he could go somewhere else around the league, but Kansas City made the most or out of it.

[C]

Yeah, like I just, you know, like it's brother, like maybe, maybe just go do heights podcast and, you know, walk into the sunset with, with Taylor Swift. I mean, with all the Swifties, you could still go in front of large crowds and groups of people. Like, you're not going to miss the league at all.

[B]

You don't think so?

[C]

Yeah, he is. I mean, you're going to miss being a player in the league. You're going to miss that part.

[B]

But it also wasn't that long ago that there was real thought that Andy Reid was going to be gone and Travis Kelsey was going to be gone and all. And I just, I, and I said this earlier. I think Kelsey looked at it and said, I would like to go out with Patrick Mahomes on the field and not, you know, catching passes from somebody else in a really disappointing season. But I can't imagine this is more than this next year.

[C]

At what point does your opinion not matter, though, to your employment? Like, at some point you got to say that's nice that you didn't get to go out on the terms of catching the ball from Patrick Mahomes. But how does that really work in terms of how we're moving forward as a team? I mean, the team did not have the type of success that was, has become the staple, you know, the calling card of, of this Kansas City Chiefs team. And you mentioned Andy Reid and we mentioned Andy Reid several times earlier. Here's a question. How many years do you Think Andy Reid has left coaching. And do we have any breaking news? Do it. Because we do know this is the legal Tamra as it was acquired.

[B]

I would say. Well, no, I would say that, you know, when it comes to Andy Reid,

[C]

yet he's 67 years old, it feels,

[B]

it feels like I thought you were kidding. Then I realized, no, he really is, it does feel like the end is near. And that's why I say this dynasty run, the run that the Kansas City Chiefs have been on. Yeah, it is probably over. And TJ Husmanzada said it himself like it's a wrap and there's nothing wrong with that. This is how normal dynasties go. Not everything is the Patriots where you have that long break and then you go back and you want another one. So it does feel like, you know, the, you know, this is probably, the Chiefs have probably peaked, but at least they're making some moves to, you know, try and improve upon what was a really disappointing season last year. And now it is time for more breaking news from around the NFL with the great Greg Tuohy.

[C]

Breaking news from Fox Sports.

[D]

All right, guys, we would talk, we mentioned his name earlier, but Mike Evans, the six time Pro Bowler is expected to sign a three year deal with the Niners per Adam Schefter.

[B]

That's, that's interesting. I didn't think, I can't, it's hard to imagine that guy anywhere other than Tampa Bay.

[D]

But I mean you think he was closer to retirement than, you know, thinking three more years. But potentially,

[C]

I mean it's a great, great move for Mike Evans. I mean if there's going to be someone who finds a way to get the most out of you as, as a player, it's going to be Kyle Shanahan in that group there. So, but I, I, they, they, they so overachieved this year. I, I thought they were fool's gold. They kind of ended up being fool. I mean when they went up against Seattle, it didn't look like they were ready for that at all. But man, at his age and, and making this move does, how much better does that make sense?

[D]

I mean I like, I, I like the, another veteran presence with, for them. I think that's good.

[C]

Can he be durable enough because he would potentially turn into the main receiver.

[D]

Which team has the worst injury luck in the league?

[C]

They do. And it's cause of the, the, the waistline.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah. They practice next to Chernobyl. That's, yeah, yeah. Everyone, everyone makes it seems like you go practice with the Niners and your ear melts off 20 minutes later. Just the whole thing's bizarre. But. And listen, you know, we were in San Francisco for the Super Bowl. Thank God they practiced up there. This was a. A quote from. From Mike Evans agent. This is from Derek Gilmore, his agent. Quote. At this stage of his career, Mike's goals remain the same as they've always been. To compete for another super bowl, to play in an offensive system, the his defenses, and to be in an environment where he can continue to push himself and contribute at the highest level. The Buccaneers made it clear they would have loved for Mike to finish his career in Tampa and potentially become just the fourth player in franchise history to spend his entire career as a buccaneer and ultimately walk into Canton representing the organization. But Mike Evans decision to leave Tampa was never about money. The Buccaneers were extremely aggressive in their pursuit and presented a very strong offer, demonstrating how much they value him and everything he has meant to the franchise. In the end, this decision simply came down to Mike wanting a new challenge and a fresh opportunity while he still feels he has a great deal left to give the game. Tampa Bay will always be a special place for Mike Evans, and his respect and gratitude for the organization and its fans will never change. That from Derek Gilmore, the agent for Mike Evans, who is great, too, he just pointed out, is signing a deal with the 49ers. Translation, I don't believe in Todd Bowles and what we got going on here.

[C]

Had to get up out of here. Time to go.

[B]

Let's just get right to the chase.

[C]

Yeah, y' all offered money.

[B]

Money.

[C]

Y' all offer me a nice contract. Something new had to happen. You hit it. Translation, knocked out of the ballpark. You gotta go.

[B]

Gotta go.

[C]

If I'm going to continue to play, I can't continue to play in this. Whatever this is. So that's. That's. That's very interesting. That could be some. That could come back to be damning information. That's probably top. Top three, top four greatest Tampa Bay Buccaneers of all time.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And look, definitely receiver. Greatest receiver of all time for Tampa Bay. I don't even know if that's close.

[B]

I mean, he, you know, he go like. He's always reportedly had a great relationship with Baker Mayfield. They've always, you know, have seemed. But yeah, that does.

[C]

You did specifically say the coach. You specifically said it.

[B]

Oh, yeah. 100.

[C]

Yeah, that's exactly what this is. You don't believe in what this team is trying to do, and you don't have the time to Be dealing with what they don't know 100%.

[B]

Because if you go on to say this was never about money, the Bucks were aggressive in pursuing us. So if they wanted you and it wasn't about money, clearly you didn't want them.

[C]

And you go to a team that clearly has the knee, obviously IUK was a big conversation this whole.

[D]

Yeah, that was a mess.

[B]

But what happened to him?

[C]

Oh, right, exactly, exactly. We don't know. We're still trying to figure it out. You know, and so he, you go there, obviously coaching is the reason why they did so well this year. I'm sorry, I, I know players playing coaches can't play a down and can't win a game, but the coaching, you can't undervalue how, how tremendous the coaching job was done in San Francisco this year and prior to, to that point. I think it's a great situation for him. Maybe he wants to go there and, and, and you know, to Todd Bowles is maybe defense. He's a defensive minded coach. Kyle Shanahan is an offensive genius. And to be at the, in the twilight of your career, if you have the opportunity to go play for a coach like Kyle Shanahan in that system and you have the respect and reverence that, that Mike, Mike Evans brings to the table. Why not? Why not?

[B]

They've had a bunch of different coordinators there. I believe Baker Mayfield's had a different offensive coordinator every season in. Which means Mike Evans too is at a different offensive coordinator every season that Baker Mayfield's been there. And you know, Mike Evans is looking at this going, I just, I'm sorry, I don't want to go through this again. Like, I don't, I don't want to have to relearn a new system. Whether it was Dave Canales or Liam Cohen or whoever they brought in, I just don't have to do this again. And the Todd Bowles stuff from last year, when they decided to bring him back, I think there were some people that were surprised by it because they were disappointing and, and you know, Bulls called out the players after a game. He called them out one time and said, you know, the players got to do this, they got to step up and, and, and do what they need to do. This can't just be about the coaches. And then he made a bunch of changes to his coaching staff to be, to come back this year. This feels like if this next year is underwhelming for Tampa again, that's a tear down rebuild. Like it feels like that one is a tear down rebuild and now you're going to have to do this upcoming season without.

[D]

Yeah. Schefter just tweeted out it wasn't his decision to leave was not about the money. The Bucks were very aggressive in trying to keep him. The strong offer came down to a desire for a new challenge as he enters the last years of his career.

[B]

Yeah. What do you mean by I gotta go?

[D]

Look, he wants to. He wants to win another super bowl and the Niners are closer to that than the Bucks are in his mind.

[A]

Month.

[B]

You think so?

[C]

You think so?

[B]

I gotta go. That's what that says. I gotta go.

[C]

I'mma head on out of here.

[B]

It's not about the money. They pursued me. They were aggressive.

[C]

Mike was at the front door with all his like, you need to stay like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna get on out here, man. I'm gonna get on my way. Yeah. I just don't.

[B]

I'm gonna go practice next to a nuclear reactor.

[C]

I don't know that I'm totally convinced sense that San Fran is closer to a Super bowl than interesting than Tampa Bay. In fact, I would think that the easier, the easier journey towards getting to the playoffs and positioning yourself would be Tampa Bay.

[D]

You do know what Tampa Bay's record was last year, right?

[C]

I do, I do.

[D]

They finished behind the Panthers.

[C]

I understand.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

But if I'm looking at these teams, do you want to see the Rams next year? I think the Rams are probably in the nfc. The best team outside of Seattle.

[B]

Yeah. Whoever won the NFC title game was winning the Super Bowl.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

So. And listen, I get it. San Fran did an excellent job of keeping pace. But I'm not looking at at them as being being in competition to even get out of the NFC West.

[B]

And look, Kittle's coming back off an who knows how that's going to look. I mean, you know, not everybody's Jason Tatum where they can come off an Achilles and just, you know, have to have the weekend he had. So who. Yeah, the Niners.

[C]

The Niners. The Niners overcame. Be clear. They overcame and won against all odds this year. I give them all the respect and all the credit for being able to do such a bang up job of winning and winning and continuing to win games. Teams under the circumstances of which they did. But am I a buyer in San Fran being a much better team the next year under the current roster? I'm not. Does Mike Evans take them to a next level of being that team that could actually win the NFC West? I don't think So I, I think it's a Seattle. I think it is a Seattle and a rate around Rams, a Rams division right now. And obviously Arizona is doing whatever they're doing. If they're tanking, they're tanking. So then you have The San Francisco 49ers who will fight. I think they will fight diligently. I think they will do an excellent job of trying to keep pace. But I just do not buy the fact that this is a team that's heading towards the Super Bowl.

[B]

You know how bad Tampa is that

[C]

he chose to go there. And they ain't that much better than Tampa.

[B]

Mike Evans is like, Mike Evans is like, what were you guys saying about the state taxes in California? Yeah, I'll go there. I'll take my chances there. There's also that, yeah, it is the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. And by the way, you can listen to us on the iHeartRadio app. You can stream us wherever you happen to be. Catch us in all of our Fox sports radio shows live 24. 7. In the new and approved iHeartRadio app search FOX Sports Radio and the app to stream us live all day, every day. And be sure to select Fox Sports Radio as one of your presets in the iHeart apps. It will always pop up at the top of your screen. Up next next, we've got another edition of the Herd line news to close up shop here on this busy tampering window. Monday in the NFL and it's yours here on fsr. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am

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Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartradio app.

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Next Monday, our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards are happening live at south by Southwest. This is the biggest night in podcast will honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative talent and creators in the industry. And the winner is. Creativity, knowledge and passion will all be on full display.

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Thank you so much iheartradio. Thank you to all the other nominees. You guys are awesome.

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Ambitious, well intentioned, ferocious and wealthy mother looks like in the black community this women's history month. The podcast Keep it Positive Sweetie celebrates the power of women choosing healing, purpose and faith. Even when life gets messy.

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Love.

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It's not a destination.

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You have to work on it every day.

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Keep it positive. Sweetie creates space for honest conversations on self worth, love, growth and Navigating life with grace and grit, led by women who uplift, inspire, and tell the truth out loud. I have several comfort conversations with God, and I know why it took 20 years to hear this and more. Listen to keep it positive, sweetie. On the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. It's the new me and it's the old them. Everybody's on their journey, and your journey is different to theirs. This Woman's History Month. The podcast if you Knew Better with Amber Grimes spotlights women who turn missteps into momentum and lessons into power.

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Power.

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I think coming out of where I came from, I'm from the Bronx. I think I grew up really poor. I didn't know that then because I very much use my creativity to romanticize life. And I'm like, my mom did a really good job of, like, you step back and you're like, whoa, We. I don't know how we made it. So a lot of my life was, like, built out of, like, survival to get to the next place, like, my drive, my, like, tunnel vision of, like, I gotta be better. I gotta to achieve this was off the strengths of, like, I want to make a better life for us. If youf Knew Better brings real talk from women who've lived it, unpacking, career pivots, relationship lessons, and the mindset shifts that changed everything. Listen to if youf Knew Better with Amber grimes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Hi, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, here's the thing. I'm speaking with more artists, policymakers, and performers like composer Marc Shaiman.

[C]

Once you've established that you have the

[B]

talent, it's about the hang.

[C]

It's the pleasure of hanging out with

[B]

the people that you're with. You know, Rob and I was always a great hang. We would sit in kibbutz for hours and then eventually get around to the music. That's what I mostly think of when I think of him. The time together. Laughing lawyer Robbie Kaplan. The great gift of being a lawyer

[A]

is the ability to actually change things in our society in a way that very few people can. I mean, you can really make a

[B]

difference to causes in the United States if you bring the right case at the right time. Marriage equality.

[A]

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herd on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. By the way, we'll be back on the air in our normal time slot. Quick turnaround for us tomorrow morning on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. You can hear Lavar, myself and Brady Quinn. So you can go check us out tomorrow morning here as we break down the full day of NFL signings and shenanigans around the league coming up tomorrow morning. Also want to let you know that if you've missed any of today's show, be sure to check out our brand new YouTube channel for the show. Also, make sure you check out the podcast as well too. Just search 2pros FSR. That's where you can find the podcast. Just search 2pros wherever you get your podcast. Right after the show. Today's pod will be posted. Be sure to follow it. Rated 5 stars. You can even provide a review. Again, just search two pros wherever you get your podcast. You'll find today's full show on a best of version posted right after we get off the air. What are you laughing about?

[C]

I'll just. I just be thinking to myself sometimes. Oh yeah, yeah.

[B]

All right. Well, yeah, it is time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For the return of the Tonga Tui.

[C]

Turn on the news.

[B]

This is the Herdline News. All right, Craig.

[D]

Well, guys, it's been an exciting day, huh?

[C]

It's been pretty busy.

[D]

This is the. This is the. I'll tell you what, this shift is wild.

[C]

This is.

[D]

Right. The legal tampering period started right at 9 o' clock at showtime. And it's been, it's been crazy ever since we were talking about the Mike Evans deal. Three years, the details are out. Three year deal, up to $60 million. No word yet on the guaranteed money.

[C]

But maybe it doesn't matter.

[B]

And maybe it doesn't.

[C]

Not about the money. You know, it's not. Right. It's about the new opportunity.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So there you go.

[B]

I mean, all right. By getting away from Todd Bowles, that's what it's about.

[C]

I mean, that's you saying it. I mean, but he's getting away from something. If it's not about the money after you're. You're the greatest football player, one of them in the history of the franchise.

[B]

Love Tampa. I love it here. They were aggressive. They wanted me back.

[C]

Great weather, no state taxes.

[B]

Gotta go, Gotta go.

[C]

Time to tackle a New Zealand.

[B]

Say what it is. Say what it is.

[D]

All right, so there was a. So this kind of got buried, guys. From Friday we were gonna talk about this and everything started happening, but Max Crosby T.R. traded to the.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Late Friday night, two first round picks. According to Jeremy Fowler, there was a. In his story from over the weekend, there was an unnamed source that said, quote, the Raiders weren't going to trade Crosby to the Patriots because no way Tom was sending Max to Mike Rabel, his former Patriots team.

[C]

I mean, that's shady. If that's true.

[B]

Really, why. I don't blame him one day.

[C]

I mean, why set them to an AFC team? So if you're going to send them in the same. In the same conference, what does it matter? What does it matter? I mean, you know, like you're going to hate on like you're. I just. At some point. Is it. How petty is it like all of y' all had great success as Patriots? Like, how petty is that? Like Tom Brady. You're Tom Brady. You won. That's one player. And that the guy that you're talking about, which is your former teammate, like, where's the hate?

[B]

I mean, you know, he told you he didn't have a dog in the

[C]

fight, you know, and I'm not gonna put one in.

[B]

It's true.

[C]

I don't have a dog in this fight.

[B]

I just don't think I'm gonna add one to it. I don't think they look big dog too.

[D]

I don't think he would look at. Get the, the Ravens anywhere near like the Patriots do. It's just.

[B]

And they had conference.

[D]

Right.

[C]

Why would you not. I don't want to send a player in the conference.

[B]

I wonder if there's something going on with him and, and New England's relationship. Well, I, I just. I wonder, you know, when he says I, you know, don't have a dog in the fight.

[C]

Who put that report?

[D]

Jeremy Fowler, espn.

[C]

And that's, that's, that's a. That's a credible source. Yeah, well, like there's not.

[D]

We wouldn't do that story otherwise.

[C]

Yeah, I'm just kidding. Yeah, right. I'm just trying to understand. If you're gonna trade the guy and get him out of there to get draft capital, then do it.

[B]

I don't care if. If it. I don't care if it's division. I don't care if it's. It's. If you're the Giants, trade him to the jets and you share the same building or the Chargers and the Rams. If you. I would trade my player to whatever was going to get me the best offer, if that was the best offer.

[C]

The Giants gave Saquon away to the Eagles. Yeah, the Eagles go and win the super bowl the next year. Did they win it to next year? Yeah, they did.

[B]

Yeah, the next year. Yep.

[C]

That's. I just. I mean, you can't. This just creates a different, different level of the conversation of shade. If that's. If that is true, that the Patriots won, if Max Crosby wanted to be in and Tom Brady would have no parts of that. That's shady, man.

[B]

Come on, move on. What else we got to it? We got quickly.

[D]

Us, Mexico, WBC tonight. Paul Skeen's on the mound.

[B]

Okay, I got news for you. There's a WBC in my house every night. Oh, man, you don't need that.

[D]

Let's go. It's been exciting. I love it.

[B]

Real torn.

[D]

You know, the.

[B]

The in laws are Mexican. I'm. I'm American.

[C]

I'm.

[B]

I'm pale. Who are you rooting for?

[C]

Who you root for?

[B]

No blah.

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