Jonas Knox (3:37)

Now, let's get this party started.

Colin Cowherd (3:39)

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, what a day we got moving and shaking in the NFL. The tampering windows open. What are we about two hours into the tampering window? The legal tampering period in the NFL is open. It is wide open. And we've got movement around the league. It is Levar Arrington and Jonas Knox in for calling here on the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. You can find us live on the iHeartRadio app on hundreds of affiliates all across the country. If you're listening on the podcast, we appreciate you doing so as we take you all the way up until the end of this hour, 3 o' clock Eastern time, noon Pacific. We've been talking a lot about the movement in the NFL. We've got the great Greg Tuohy here who is monitoring the transaction wire for the legal tampering period. So it is time for another update from Tongan Tuohy himself to find out who's going where in the national football game.

Jonas Knox (4:45)

News from Fox Sports.

LaVar Arrington (4:47)

All right, guys, this is another sneaky good signing here. Travis etn Jags running back Travis ETN will be signing with the Saints. With the Saints.

Jonas Knox (4:58)

I mean, what happened to their running back?

Greg Tuohy (5:01)

What.

Jonas Knox (5:01)

What's his name?

Colin Cowherd (5:02)

The.

Greg Tuohy (5:02)

The.

Jonas Knox (5:03)

The McAllister.

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The.

Jonas Knox (5:04)

The elevator Assassin.

LaVar Arrington (5:06)

Kamara. Alvin Kamara.

Jonas Knox (5:07)

Yeah. What happened to him?

Colin Cowherd (5:09)

Well, you know, he's, you know, not. Not the player he once was. And yeah, by the way, that's a rap for him. If you do see Alvin Camara. I'd rec the stairs.

LaVar Arrington (5:18)

He's under contract this year, so I think it's a nice little one, two punch.

Jonas Knox (5:23)

Is that what that is? Yeah, that's. So that's. You're.

Colin Cowherd (5:26)

I see what you did there too. One, two punch. I see what he did there.

LaVar Arrington (5:32)

Always in the gutter class.

Jonas Knox (5:35)

That one isn't in the gutter. That one's in the elevator.

Colin Cowherd (5:38)

I told you, man. You see him take the stairs. That's the lesson.

Jonas Knox (5:44)

Elevator door open. I think I, I'll wait for the next one.

Colin Cowherd (5:46)

Thank you. You know what's great about that story, though?

Jonas Knox (5:48)

No, man, don't worry.

Colin Cowherd (5:49)

They knew he had assaulted a guy at an elevator, but they still let him play the Pro Bowl. We don't want.

Jonas Knox (5:54)

I had to do a little bit more investigating.

Colin Cowherd (5:57)

We don't want to take him out of this game, but yeah, it is now. Travis ATN so.

Jonas Knox (6:04)

Well, I, I think was a tremendously disappointing year for the New Orleans Saints,

Colin Cowherd (6:09)

but I, I do, I do think the Saints come away going. We got our quarterback Tyler, trying to build around him, right?

LaVar Arrington (6:16)

Trying to get.

Colin Cowherd (6:17)

Tyler Shuck played much better than I think anybody thought he was going to play. I believe he just turned 34, if I'm not mistaken. So maybe, you know, maybe that's a bit long in the tooth, but he played a lot better than I think a lot of people expected. And I think the Saints are still. Because, remember, back before the season started, they were predicted to be the worst team in the league. It was the tanking for Arch Manning there. You know, all the stars were going to align. They're going to bring him back. And then you come to find out the Saints haven't drafted a quarterback in the first round since Archie Manning. That was the last time. So Drew Brees, obviously from the Chargers, all the quarterbacks that they've had, they've never drafted one in the first round. And if they in fact found their guy in Tyler Shuck, that's going to be another guy that was drafted later on and he performed at a high level last year and they were a fun team to watch.

Jonas Knox (7:09)

They went four, one under Shuck the last, the last part of the season, finishing up, stabilizing their, their salary cap situation. I, I listen, if, if Shuck can be that guy now that they have film on him and, and they can move forward, I, I just think that there are a lot. Isn't Cam Jordan, isn't he gone this year? He isn't even.

Colin Cowherd (7:32)

He's a free agent. I just bring him back. But

Jonas Knox (7:37)

like Kelly is, is a, is a fine, fine coach. Like, I, I think his, his history says that he can build an offense and this team can be a, a very, very productive unit. But what are they going to do on defense. And, and, and listen, I, I just. Does this. Does. Adding. Adding this piece to the backfield, ETN to the backfield. I mean, do you feel confident in this personnel altogether 4 and 1 could be misleading if you ask me.

Colin Cowherd (8:16)

So Jordan Schultz is reporting that the deal for Travis ATN is four years, 52 million. We don't know the guarantees and what. What that entails, but my one question about him would be why did it take so long? Some just. All right, man, here's what we're going to let you do. You don't have a favorite team. We're just going to like whatever name I pulled. I'd be like, is there anything else? And throw four names in a hat. We're going to shake them up and you got to pick one and it's the NFC South. What's going on?

Jonas Knox (8:47)

Is there any other choice? Like you said, gun to my head, I don't know.

Colin Cowherd (8:52)

Can I just. Can I just watch baseball in September maybe? Or like. I don't know. Yeah. Do I really have to go?

Jonas Knox (8:56)

I don't know.

Greg Tuohy (8:57)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (8:57)

That division's rough, man. Tampa Bay. Who knows what's going to happen with Mike Evans, but it appears that that's a real likelihood that he could be going. El yeah. And then you've got New Orleans seem

Jonas Knox (9:09)

like they were trending up. Tampa Bay was like a disappointing team because it seemed like they had the, the ability to trend up more than what they did. It seemed like they cracked their heads off of a ceiling as well. And then you look at Carolina and Carolina gave you glimpses like there was. There was positive moments for Carolina, like things to get excited about. Teoa tmac is a beast. He is a beast. And it even gave life to. To Bryce Young and what he's able to bring to the table. This team showed some signs of life this year. In fact, it would probably be the team I'm highest on in this division. I love B John Robinson. I think they got some fine football players that they've brought in on on that Atlanta Falcons team, but I just think that there are too big a question mark. There are bigger question marks in my estimation with Michael Penix and this Atlanta Falcons than even with Bryce Young moving forward with this Carolina Panthers team. And with that being said, I like Baker Mayfield. I think Baker Mayfield is the best quarterback in that division. I just don't know where this Tampa Bay team is going currently after seeing the way they finished the year last year. That's just my take.

Colin Cowherd (10:29)

They did resign Kate Otten, I believe Tight end Kate Otten is going back to the Bucks. Yeah. So.

Jonas Knox (10:37)

And then you've got the Malik, right?

Colin Cowherd (10:38)

They're friends.

Jonas Knox (10:39)

They could go up or they could go down. Like you don't know which way this Tampa team is going to go this year.

Colin Cowherd (10:45)

And then you've got the rumors that are out there that Tua Tug of Iloa who was released by the Dolphins earlier today, potentially could end up in Atlanta. You know, create some competition there for Michael Penix Jr. A couple of lefties out there, they should, you know, they should do just bring back every lefty that ever existed in the NFL. So.

Jonas Knox (11:03)

Tom Tebow, Mike Vick, who else?

Colin Cowherd (11:06)

Steve Young wasn't.

Jonas Knox (11:08)

Wasn't Boomer Esiason, wasn't Jacksonville, Jacksonville quarterback. Wasn't he a lefty too?

LaVar Arrington (11:17)

Oh, Mark Brunel.

Jonas Knox (11:18)

Brunel lefty.

LaVar Arrington (11:19)

Oh, of course, you.

Colin Cowherd (11:20)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Todd Marinovich, Todd Morenovich. I mean, if we're doing this, let's do it. Will sure. Anybody remember him back in the day?

Jonas Knox (11:29)

Are you sure that was the last date?

Colin Cowherd (11:31)

I think so. If he's not, he should have been

Jonas Knox (11:34)

a hell of a pool if you, you pulled that many lefties out.

Colin Cowherd (11:37)

I'm talking about, man.

Jonas Knox (11:39)

It's 11:11. Make a wish City hour.

Colin Cowherd (11:43)

All right, so. So, Tui, what are the other, the other moves that are making the. Making the, the headlines here?

Jonas Knox (11:49)

Jones got picked up as anybody picked up.

LaVar Arrington (11:52)

Kenneth Walker is going to Kansas City.

Colin Cowherd (11:54)

Right.

Jonas Knox (11:55)

What about Michael Thomas? We were talking about the Saints. Anything for Michael Thomas.

Colin Cowherd (12:00)

Didn't he beat up some guy who was doing construction on his street? Michael Thom? I think he threw a brick at some guy's window.

Jonas Knox (12:06)

What about Todd Gurley? Is Todd Gurley's out there. You need running backs. What about Todd Gurley?

Colin Cowherd (12:11)

You mentioned being that construction worker. You're just trying to do your job. You've got, you've got safety cones out and an NFL receiver throws a brick at your windshield.

LaVar Arrington (12:20)

Travis Kelsey will be returning to Kansas City also one year deal. This was Indy. Indy made some moves today. Alec Pierce is back. Four year, 116 million deal. Million dollar deal, 84 million guaranteed. And then they traded Michael Pittman to Pittsburgh, which we think could be a sign. Maybe they're trying to get Aaron Rodgers back. Mike McCarthy, there's a lot of, a lot of stuff aligning there. Malik Willis heading to Miami, three year deal, $45 million guaranteed. LaVar is not convinced he could be the starter, but that's a lot of money.

Jonas Knox (12:53)

He'll get what, like 25 or something to that effect this year? This season? 25 million?

Colin Cowherd (12:59)

Yeah. What are the guarantees on his 45 million guarantees? 45 guarantee, but a 67 million? Yeah.

LaVar Arrington (13:04)

So we'll see how it plays out.

Jonas Knox (13:05)

But does that break to like 25 or something to that effect by the year?

Colin Cowherd (13:10)

No, 15 by the year. 3. It's a three year deal. 45.

Jonas Knox (13:14)

All right. No, I do not think that the figure is high enough for it to definitively say they're not going to do something else or somebody may compete for that starting job. It's not, I don't think that that's a job security starting quarterback contract. I, I don't, I don't, I don't subscribe to it.

Colin Cowherd (13:34)

Hey, for, for six starts in your career, it's a good living.

Jonas Knox (13:37)

I'm not mad, I'm not mad at it. But that's just like I said, I looked it up. It, it does say multi tier. It, it actually, it says lower tier. It's, it's closer to a lower tier starting quarterbacks contract than it is to, to a top tier.

LaVar Arrington (13:52)

I just don't know what, I don't know what to make of Quinn yours. I mean, a lot of people like him down there. I just, I don't know. I watched him a lot of Texas and I just don't know that he's a starting caliber NFL quarterback, like long term. But why is the guy you compete with Willis for sure.

Jonas Knox (14:08)

We have the conversation of Malik Willis just being an incumbent starting quarterback with his body of work. How do you, how do you.

LaVar Arrington (14:19)

Six starts, right?

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Six starts.

Jonas Knox (14:21)

How do you confidently say this is our guy, this is who we're going with, this is the starter?

Colin Cowherd (14:26)

Well, I think a lot of it is based on what this market looks like this year through the draft. The other quarterbacks that were, that were available and I think that's why Malik Willis stepped up and was the bell of the ball, as they say. Because I think people looked at him and said, in comparison to the other quarterbacks around the league, look, if it was me and this might be, you know, a little controversial, I would have just stuck with Tua. Like, honest to God, I would have stuck with TUA and said, all right, maybe there's a new coaching staff, it's easier to get out of the contract next year. But if this was all about, you know, we need to, you know, we're trying to win games. I think two has done more than Malik Willis has. Kyler Murray's done more than Malik Willis has.

Jonas Knox (15:09)

What happened In Tennessee. Like, let's, let's, let's take a step back here real quick because we're talking all of this hype. This is what's, what's happened is a market was created for Malik Willis through hype. Because I recall us being on this show and having conversations about Malik Willis, and we were excited about Malik Willis's talent coming out of college, but maybe unproven, so on and so forth, yada, yada, yada. And he goes to Tennessee and he's not in Tennessee anymore. He ends up in. He ends up in, in Green Bay. What happened in Tennessee? He was a starter there for, for a moment in time, wasn't he?

Greg Tuohy (15:50)

I don't think.

Jonas Knox (15:51)

I don't think he fared very well there. I'm just trying to understand where did we get to a point of where there's this definitive approach to saying that Malik Willis is the guy in free agency or the guy that you would have wanted to trade for, to bring to your team, to improve your team? I'm not a buyer of that. I'm not buying that.

Colin Cowherd (16:10)

Ryan. Ryan Tannehill was still in Tennessee. So Tannehill was still there. Malik Willis appeared a couple of times

Jonas Knox (16:16)

for the Titans because Tannehill wasn't good.

Colin Cowherd (16:18)

And then. Yeah, well, right.

Jonas Knox (16:20)

Like, you're behind.

Greg Tuohy (16:21)

You're.

Jonas Knox (16:21)

You're not starting behind a. A terrible starting quarterback, like. And I love Will Levis, all due respect, but I'm just saying there was the perfect opportunity. If he's as good as people are saying is, it would have been a perfect opportunity for him to take over a team and be the starting quarterback as a franchise guy. It didn't happen that way, so we asked. It didn't happen that way in Green Bay either.

Colin Cowherd (16:44)

We talked with TJ Hushman's out of last hour, who joined us here on Fox Sports Radio. He shared his thoughts on the Maliqua Malik will assigning in Miami.

Jonas Knox (16:51)

I actually thought he would end up with the Arizona Cardinals because of the connection of the lafleurs.

Greg Tuohy (16:57)

I just felt like, oh, I'm going

Jonas Knox (16:59)

to let my little brother know.

Colin Cowherd (17:00)

You got to get him.

Greg Tuohy (17:01)

Do everything in your power to get him. The fact that he didn't end up with the Arizona Cardinals kind of concerns me. But Hapley was his defensive coordinator in Green Bay. He saw him every day in practice, understands his work ethic and what he

Colin Cowherd (17:15)

is and what he isn't. And so this will be an interesting pairing, I'm assuming.

Greg Tuohy (17:22)

Throw the ball 20 to 25 times a game.

Colin Cowherd (17:25)

They're going to be run heavy. So that was TJ Hushman's Auto who joined us last night.

Jonas Knox (17:29)

I just don't think anyone should get carried away over this move. That's, that's all I'm saying. And I would not be surprised if he doesn't maintain the starting job. And that's just off of the body of work. Like, I know he had some positive moments and he played some really, really great moments. Some positive football for, for Green Bay when, when he got his opportunity to play. I just don't understand why people get so carried away in recency effect. Like he had an opportunity, he thrived and he did well. But I'm kind of with TJ if he's as good as, as people were making him out to be. And in this scenario, why wouldn't you deliver the best quarterback available in this year's, you know, off season to your brother? Now granted that's, they're both in nfc, you did deliver him to or you did go to a AFC team and that could be, that could play a major part in it. But I'm just trying to understand what the hoopla is about. If he gets into this next situation and he plays at a high level, then you can have large conversations about how well they did, the LaFleur Co. Did with developing him and helping him to find his feet and his legs in the NFL. And now we have a, a, a franchise guy that has developed somewhere else and had the opportunity to benefit in a different, a different franchise. It happens. We just watched Sam Darnold, which I don't consider Sam Darnold a franchise guy. I consider him to be, he's a good manager as a starter. And, and listen, I don't say manager with the idea of lessening who they are. I think more managers win Super Bowls than game changers. But what I'm saying is, is there are, there are franchise game managers and franchise game changers and then there are starting quarterbacks that are not franchise guys. There are starting quarterbacks that are not game changers and they manage. I don't know what Malik Willis is today. I'm not trying to come down hard on him. I'm just speaking reality.

Colin Cowherd (19:45)

That's why I'm curious to see what the structure of the contract looks like. Because, you know, and I mentioned this earlier, when Teddy Bridgewater signed a three year deal with Carolina a few years back and it was like, oh, they gave Teddy Bridgewater a three year deal. And then it turns out, well, they, they actually got out of it after one year, that, that it was really a one year deal. And so I wonder if Miami looks at this and says, all right, there's some familiarity there with the GM and the head coach. With Malik Willis, we bring him in, let's give it a go. He gets more than six starts that he's had in his career. And if it doesn't work out, you know, we'll go back into the draft next year and try and see if we can, if we can find a quarterback there. But I think that Arizona's tanking. I mean, if we're being honest, like Arizona is tanking. They would like to be in the quarterback mix next year, and Miami saw this as an opportunity to reunite and that's. Maybe they feel like they can do special things with Malik Willis. And it remains to be seen. But I look at Arizona, I go, that's just a tank job. They're trying to get in the mix next year.

Jonas Knox (20:48)

I'll pose this question to both of you. Would you be disappointed if Malik Willis did not produce and would there be any type of outrage if Malik Willis didn't turn out to be a starter that turns this Miami Dolphins team into a competitive team?

Colin Cowherd (21:08)

Depends on the structure of the contract. Like, if it's.

Jonas Knox (21:10)

So you're purely basing it off of what they get. I mean, it's guaranteed. They got to pay him in the 40 millions.

Colin Cowherd (21:16)

Yeah, but compared to the 99 they're taking this year from two.

Jonas Knox (21:18)

I mean, the top tier quarterbacks are making 40 million in one year. Right. They're like in the 40s, at least for one year. He's getting it over the duration. His guarantees are over the duration of time. Again, I, I, what about you? Would you be disappointed if Malik Willis didn't have a, A, a very, very productive year?

LaVar Arrington (21:41)

No, because I don't really have that high of expectation for him that based on what we've seen, he has like, I just don't think, I just don't think you can.

Jonas Knox (21:49)

And even if you do have a high ceiling for him, why would you put yourself too far over your skis in terms of excitement for the potential of what he could be? I think this is like a wait and see moment, I guess, is what I'm saying. It comes across as I'm being a hateful person towards Malik Willis. And I'm not. I'm just saying don't act as though this is, oh, we got him. Legal tampering.

Colin Cowherd (22:14)

Yeah.

Jonas Knox (22:15)

The window's open.

Colin Cowherd (22:16)

Yeah.

Jonas Knox (22:16)

It's not businesses. We got Malik Willis today. Like no, you can't. And they were probably lose yourself in that, that to that degree and probably

Colin Cowherd (22:24)

the only team that was going to give him a deal like this and because they know him so well. I don't, I don't think any, I don't know how many teams around the NFL looked at Malik Willis and said yeah, that's the one. Like we got it. Because otherwise.

LaVar Arrington (22:37)

You guys remember Matt Schaub?

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LaVar Arrington (22:39)

He was a backup for a couple years and then he went to, and he was fine. He was a pro. Kyle Shanahan made him a Pro Bowl. He was a starter and they were good. They made a couple of times. But you know what? Like he never was a Super Bowl. He was never going to win a Super Bowl. Right.

Jonas Knox (22:53)

And I think you, I sort of think like that you entertained it for a moment in Houston. You entertained it like can he get him to, can, can shop. Get him there.

Colin Cowherd (23:03)

Also, also if you want to do a, if you want to do a Packers comp. Remember Matt Flynn? Matt Flynn got that deal in Seattle and then they drafted Russell Wilson with a mid round or a third round pick or something like that and Wilson outplayed him and they just, they said, all right, well we know we committed all this money to him, but we'll just give the opportunity to the better guy. And unless they do that in the mid rounds and somebody is going to be your starter at least for this

Jonas Knox (23:25)

year, for good or for bad, I just think it's pretty dangerous to get too excited over an unproven entity at that position. I think that that's ultimately what it comes down to.

Colin Cowherd (23:35)

Well, who knows, maybe the Dolphins want to playoff game. It's been about 26 years.

Jonas Knox (23:39)

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Colin Cowherd (23:41)

It's unbelievable.

Jonas Knox (23:42)

Do it.

Greg Tuohy (23:43)

All right.

Colin Cowherd (23:43)

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Jonas Knox (30:05)

Yeah, like, I just, you know, like it's brother, like maybe, maybe just go to New Heights podcast and you know, walk into the sunset with, with Taylor Swift. I mean, with all the Swifties, you could still go in front of large crowds and groups of people. Like, you're not going to miss the league at all.

Colin Cowherd (30:22)

You don't think so?

Jonas Knox (30:23)

Yeah, he is. I mean, you're going to miss being a player in the league. You're going to miss that part.

Colin Cowherd (30:27)

But it also wasn't that long ago that there was real thought that Andy Reid was going to be gone and Travis Kelsey was going to be gone and all. And I just, I, and I said this earlier. I think Kelsey looked at it and said, I would like to go out with Patrick Mahomes on the field and not, you know, catching passes from somebody else in a really disappointing season. But I can't imagine this is more than this next year.

Jonas Knox (30:50)

At what point does your opinion not matter, though, to your employment? Like, at some point you got to say, that's nice that you didn't get to go out on the terms of catching the ball from Patrick Mahomes, but how does that really work in terms of how we're moving forward as a team? I mean, the team did not have the type of success that was. Has become the staple, you know, the calling card of, of this Kansas City Chiefs team. And you mentioned Andy Reid, and we mentioned Andy Reid several times earlier. Here's a question. How many years do you think Andy Reid has left coaching? And do we have any breaking news? Do we. Because we do know this is the legal Tamra as it was acquired right now.

Colin Cowherd (31:34)

I would say. Well, no, I would say that, you know, when it comes to Andy Reid, yet he's 67 years old, it feels, it feels like. I thought you were kidding that I realized, no, he really is. It does feel like the end is near. And that's why I say this dynasty run, the run that the Kansas City Chiefs have been on. Yeah, it is probably over. TJ Husmanzada said it himself. Like, it's, it's a wrap. And, and there's nothing wrong with that. This is how this is how normal dynasties go. Not everything is the Patriots where you have that long break and then you go back and you want another one. So it does feel like, you know, the, you know, this is probably, the Chiefs have probably peaked, but at least they're making some moves to, you know, try and improve upon what was a really disappointing season last year. And now it is time for more breaking news from around the NFL with the great Greg Tuohy.

Greg Tuohy (32:31)

Breaking news from Fox Sports.

LaVar Arrington (32:33)

All right, guys, we talked, we mentioned his name earlier, but Mike Evans, the six time Pro Bowler is expected to sign a three year deal with the Niners per Adam Schefter.

Colin Cowherd (32:47)

That's, that's interesting. I didn't think, I can't, it's hard to imagine that guy anywhere other than Tampa Bay.

LaVar Arrington (32:53)

But I mean, you think he was closer to retirement than, you know, thinking three more years. But potentially,

Jonas Knox (33:01)

I mean it's a great, great move for Mike Evans. I mean if there's going to be someone who finds a way to get the most out of you as, as a player, it's going to be Kyle Shanahan in that group there. So, but I, I, they, they, they so overachieved this year. I, I thought they were fool's gold. They kind of ended up being fool's gold in the end. I mean when they went up against Seattle, it didn't look like they were ready for that at all. But man, at his age and, and making this move does how much better does that make sense?

LaVar Arrington (33:35)

I mean I like, I, I like the, another veteran presence with, for them naked.

Jonas Knox (33:40)

Can he be adorable enough because he would potentially turn into the main receiver.

LaVar Arrington (33:45)

Which injury.

Jonas Knox (33:46)

Luckily they do. And it's because of the, the waistline.

Colin Cowherd (33:49)

Oh yeah, yeah. They practice next to Chernobyl. Yeah.

Jonas Knox (33:55)

Guys fall apart.

Colin Cowherd (33:56)

Yeah. Everyone, everyone makes it seems like you go practice with the Niners and your ear melts off 20 minutes later. Just the whole thing's bizarre. But, and listen, you know, we were in San Francisco for the Super Bowl. Thank God they practiced up there. This was a, a quote from, from Mike Evans agent. This is from Derek Gilmore, his agent quote. At this stage of his career, Mike's goals remain the same as they've always been. To compete for another super bowl, to play in an offensive system that challenges defenses, and to be in an environment where he can continue to push himself and contribute at the highest level. The Buccaneers made it clear they would have loved for Mike to finish his career in Tampa and potentially become just the fourth player in Franchise history to spend his entire career as a buccaneer and ultimately walk into Canton representing the organization. But Mike Evans decision to leave Tampa was never about money. The Buccaneers were extremely aggressive in their pursuit and presented a very strong offer, demonstrating how much they value him and everything he has meant to the franchise. In the end, this decision simply came down to Mike wanting a new challenge and a fresh opportunity while he still feels he has a great deal left to give the game. Tampa Bay will always be a special place for Mike Evans, and his respect and gratitude for the organization and its fans will never change. That from Derek Gilmore, the agent for Mike Evans, who is Greg too, he just pointed out, is signing a deal with the 40th. Translation, I don't believe in Todd Bowles and what we got going on here

Jonas Knox (35:20)

to get up out of here. Time to go.

Colin Cowherd (35:22)

Let's just get right to the chase.

Jonas Knox (35:24)

Yeah. Y' all offer.

Colin Cowherd (35:25)

Not about money.

Jonas Knox (35:26)

Y' all offer me a nice contract. Something new had to happen. You hit it. Translation. Knocked out of the ballpark. Watch you gotta go.

Colin Cowherd (35:36)

Gotta go.

Jonas Knox (35:36)

If I'm going to continue to play, I can't continue to play in this. Whatever this is. So that's. That's. That's very interesting. That could be some. That could come back to be damning information. That's probably. Top three, top four greatest Tampa Bay Buccaneers of all time.

Colin Cowherd (35:57)

Yeah, Maze.

LaVar Arrington (35:58)

Like.

Colin Cowherd (35:59)

And. And look.

Jonas Knox (35:59)

Definitely receiver. Greatest receiver of all time for Tampa Bay. I don't even know if that's close.

Colin Cowherd (36:07)

I mean, he, you know, he goes like. He's always reportedly had a great relationship with Baker Mayfield. They've always, you know, have seemed. But yeah, that does.

Jonas Knox (36:16)

You did specifically say the coach. You specifically said it.

Colin Cowherd (36:21)

Oh, yeah. 100.

Jonas Knox (36:22)

Yeah, that's exactly what this is. You don't believe in what this team is trying to do, and you don't have the time to be dealing with what they don't know 100%.

Colin Cowherd (36:30)

Because if you go on to say this was never about money. The Bucks were aggressive in pursuing us. So if they wanted you and it wasn't about money, clearly you didn't want that them.

Jonas Knox (36:40)

And you go to a team that clearly has the knee. Obviously, IUK was a big conversation this whole.

LaVar Arrington (36:45)

Yeah, that was a mess.

Colin Cowherd (36:46)

Despite what happened to him.

Jonas Knox (36:47)

Oh, right. Exactly. We don't know. We're still trying to figure it out. You know, and so he. You go there. Obviously coaching is the reason why they did so well this year. I'm sorry. I. I know players play and coaches can't Play a down and can't win a game. But the coaching, you can't undervalue you how, how tremendous the coaching job was done in San Francisco this year and prior to, to that point. I think it's a great situation for him. Maybe he wants to go there and, and you know, to Todd Bowles is maybe defense. He's a defensive minded coach. Kyle Shanahan is an offensive genius. And to be at the, in the twilight of your career, if you have the opportunity to go play for a coach like Kyle Shanahan in that system and you have the respect and reverence that, that Mike, Mike Evans brings to the table. Why not? Why not?

Colin Cowherd (37:42)

They've had a bunch of different coordinators there. I believe Baker Mayfield's had a different offensive coordinator every season in Tampa, which means Mike Evans, too, is at a different offensive coordinator every season that Baker Mayfield's been there. And you know, Mike Evans is looking at this going, I just, I'm sorry, I don't want to go through this again. Like, I don't, I don't want to have to relearn a new system. Whether it was Dave Canales or Liam Cohen or whoever they brought in, I just don't have to do this again. And the Todd Bowles stuff from last year, when they decided to bring him back, I think there were some people that were surprised by it because they were disappointing. And you know, Bulls called out the players after a game. He called them out one time and said, you know, the players got to do this. They got to step up and do what they need to do. This can't just be about the. And then he made a bunch of changes to his coaching staff to be. To come back this year. This feels like if this next year is underwhelming for Tampa again, that's a tear down rebuild. Like it feels like that one is a tear down rebuild. And now you're going to have to do this upcoming season without.

LaVar Arrington (38:48)

Yeah, Schefter just tweeted out.

Greg Tuohy (38:49)

It's.

LaVar Arrington (38:50)

It wasn't. His decision to leave was not about the money. The Bucks were very aggressive in trying to keep him. The strong offer came down to a desire for a new challenge as he enters the last years of his career.

Colin Cowherd (39:00)

Yeah. What do you mean by I gotta go?

LaVar Arrington (39:03)

Look, he wants to. He wants to win another super bowl and the Niners are closer to that than the Bucks are in his mind.

Jonas Knox (39:09)

You think so? You think so?

Colin Cowherd (39:12)

I gotta go. That's what that says. I gotta go.

Jonas Knox (39:15)

I'm ahead on out of here.

Colin Cowherd (39:16)

It's not about the money. They pursued me. They were aggressive.

Jonas Knox (39:21)

Mike was at the front door with all his like, you need to stay like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna get on out here, man. I'm gonna get on my way. Yeah, I just don't.

Colin Cowherd (39:31)

I'm going to go practice next to a nuclear reactor.

Jonas Knox (39:34)

I don't know that I'm totally convinced that San Fran is closer to a Super bowl than interesting than Tampa Bay. In fact, I would think that the easier, the easier journey towards getting to the playoffs and positioning yourself would be Tampa Bay.

LaVar Arrington (39:51)

You do know what Tampa Bay's record was last year, right?

Jonas Knox (39:54)

I do, I do.

LaVar Arrington (39:55)

They finished behind the Panthers.

Jonas Knox (39:58)

I understand.

LaVar Arrington (39:59)

Okay.

Jonas Knox (40:00)

But if I'm looking at these teams, do you want to see the Rams next year? I think the Rams are probably in the nfc. The best team outside of Seattle.

Colin Cowherd (40:12)

Yeah. Whoever won the NFC title game was winning the Super Bowl.

LaVar Arrington (40:15)

Yeah.

Jonas Knox (40:16)

So I, and I, and listen, I get it. San Fran did an excellent job of keeping pace, but I'm not looking at, at them as being being in competition to even get out of the NFC West.

Colin Cowherd (40:33)

And look, Kittle's coming back off an injury. Who knows how that's going to look. I mean, you know, not everybody's Jason Tatum where they can come off an Achilles and just, you know, have to have the weekend he had. So who. Yeah, the Niners.

Jonas Knox (40:45)

The Niners. The Niners overcame. Be clear there. They overcame and won against all odds this year. I give them all the respect and all the credit for being able to do such a bang up job of winning and winning and continuing to win games under the circumstances of which they did. But am I a buyer in San Fran being a much better team than next year under the current roster? I'm not. Does Mike Evans take them to a next level of being that team that could actually win the NFC West? I don't think so. I, I think it's a Seattle. I think it is a Seattle and a rate, a Rams, a Rams division right now. And obviously Arizona is doing whatever they're doing. If they're tanking, they're tanking. So then you have The San Francisco 49ers who will fight, fight. I think they will fight diligently. I think they will do an excellent job of trying to keep pace. But I just do not buy the fact that this is a team that's heading towards the Super Bowl.

Colin Cowherd (41:57)

You know how bad Tampa is that

Jonas Knox (41:59)

he chose to go there and they ain't that much better than Tampa.

Colin Cowherd (42:02)

Mike Evans is Like Mike Evans is like, what were you guys saying about the state taxes in California? Yeah, I'll go there. I'll, I'll take my chances there.

Jonas Knox (42:10)

There's also that.

Colin Cowherd (42:11)

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Jonas Knox (47:15)

I just be thinking to myself sometimes. Oh yeah, yeah.

Colin Cowherd (47:19)

It's all right. Well. Yeah. It is time.

Jonas Knox (47:21)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (47:21)

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Jonas Knox (47:25)

Turn on the news.

Colin Cowherd (47:27)

This here is the herd line news. All right, Craig.

LaVar Arrington (47:31)

Well guys, it's been an exciting day, huh?

Jonas Knox (47:33)

It's been pretty busy.

LaVar Arrington (47:34)

This is the. This is the. I'll tell you what, this shift is wild.

Jonas Knox (47:36)

This is right.

LaVar Arrington (47:37)

The legal tampering period started right at 9 o' clock at showtime and it's been. It's been crazy ever since we were talking about the Mike Evans deal. Three years. The. The details are out. Three year deal up to $60 million. No word yet on the guaranteed money.

Colin Cowherd (47:53)

But.

Jonas Knox (47:53)

And maybe it doesn't matter and maybe it's not about the money. You know, it's not right. It's about the new opportunity.

Colin Cowherd (48:00)

Yeah.

Jonas Knox (48:00)

So there you go.

Colin Cowherd (48:01)

I mean, all right. By getting away from Todd Bowles. That's what it's about.

Jonas Knox (48:05)

I mean that's you saying it. I mean. But he's getting away from something. If it's not about the money after you're. You're the greatest football player, one of them in the history of the franchise.

Colin Cowherd (48:14)

I love Tampa. I love it here. They were aggressive. They wanted me back.

Jonas Knox (48:18)

Great weather, no state taxes.

Colin Cowherd (48:21)

Gotta go, Gotta go.

Jonas Knox (48:23)

Time to tackle a New Zealand.

LaVar Arrington (48:24)

Let's say what it is.

Colin Cowherd (48:25)

Say what it is.

LaVar Arrington (48:27)

All right. So there was a. So this kind of got buried guys from Friday. We were going to talk about this and everything started happening but Max Crosby traded to the.

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LaVar Arrington (48:37)

Ravens on late Friday night. Two first round picks. According to Jeremy Fowler. There was a. In his story from over the weekend, there was an unnamed source that said quote, the Raiders weren't going to trade Crosby to the Patriots because no way. Tom was sending Max to Mike Vrabel, his former Patriots team.

Jonas Knox (48:56)

I mean that's shady if that's true.

Colin Cowherd (48:59)

Really, why I don't blame him one day.

Jonas Knox (49:02)

I mean sent them to an AFC team. So if you're going to send them in the same. In the same conference. What does it matter. What does it matter? I mean, you know, like, you're going to hate on, like, you're. I just. At some point. Is it. How petty is it, like, all of y' all had great success as Patriots? Like, how petty is that? Like Tom Brady. You're Tom Brady.

Colin Cowherd (49:23)

You won.

Jonas Knox (49:25)

That's one player. And that. The guy that you're talking about, which is your former teammate, like, where's the hate?

Colin Cowherd (49:35)

I mean, you know, he told you he didn't have a dog in the

Jonas Knox (49:38)

fight, you know, and I'm not gonna put one in.

Colin Cowherd (49:40)

It's true.

Jonas Knox (49:45)

I don't have a dog in this fight.

Colin Cowherd (49:47)

I just don't think I'm gonna add one to it. I don't think they look big dog, too.

LaVar Arrington (49:51)

I don't think look at the. The Ravens anywhere near like the Patriots do. It's just.

Colin Cowherd (49:57)

And they had conference.

LaVar Arrington (50:00)

Right.

Jonas Knox (50:01)

Why would you not. I don't want to send a player in the conference.

Colin Cowherd (50:06)

I wonder if there's something going on with him and, And New England's relationship. Well, I, I just. I wonder, you know, when he says I, you know, don't have a dog

Jonas Knox (50:21)

in the play, who put that report?

LaVar Arrington (50:23)

Jeremy Fowler.

Jonas Knox (50:24)

And that's. That's. That's a. That's a credible source. Well, like, there's not.

LaVar Arrington (50:28)

We wouldn't do that story otherwise.

Jonas Knox (50:30)

Yeah, I'm just kidding.

Colin Cowherd (50:32)

Yeah, right.

Jonas Knox (50:35)

I'm just trying to understand. If you're going to trade the guy and get him out of there to get draft capital, then do it.

Colin Cowherd (50:43)

I don't care if it. I don't care if it's division. I don't care if it's. If you're the Giants trading them to the jets and you share the same building, or the Chargers and the Rams, if you. I would trade my player to whatever was going to get me the best offer. If that was the best offer.

Jonas Knox (50:59)

The Giants gave Saquon away to the Eagles. Yeah, the Eagles go and win the super bowl the next year. Did they win it to next year? Yeah, they did. Yeah, the next year.

Colin Cowherd (51:07)

Yep.

Jonas Knox (51:08)

That's. I just. I mean, you can. This just creates a different level of the conversation of shade. If that's. If that is true that the Patriots won, if Max Crosby wanted to be in it and Tom Brady would have no parts of that. That's shad, man. Come on, move on.

Colin Cowherd (51:28)

What else we got, too? We got quickly.

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Colin Cowherd (51:33)

Okay, I got news for you. There's a WBC in my house every night. Oh man, you don't need that.

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Let's go. It's been exciting. I love it.

Colin Cowherd (51:40)

Going to be real torn. You know the the in laws are Mexican. I'm I'm American. I'm pale. Who are you rooting for?

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Who you rooting for? No blah blah.

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