THE HERD - Hour 3 - More on Caleb Williams, Jordan Love's career, Bo Nix this season, Carson Palmer

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd (Hour 3) — October 27, 2025

Episode Overview

In this episode, Colin Cowherd is joined by former NFL quarterback Carson Palmer and college football analyst Josh Pate for lively conversations about quarterback performance and development in both the NFL and college football. The show covers critical evaluations of Caleb Williams and Jordan Love, Bo Nix’s progress with Sean Payton, Daniel Jones’ resurgence, A.J. Brown’s impact in Philadelphia, and major college football coaching landscapes. There’s also news analysis on Drake Maye’s surprising NFL success, the Chiefs’ outlook, and candid, insightful reflections on football culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Caleb Williams: Off-Script Magic, Pocket Questions

(02:43–04:40)

• Colin: Asks Carson Palmer to evaluate Caleb Williams’ strengths and concerns, particularly his timing, rhythm, and off-script playmaking.
• Carson Palmer:

  “The timing and rhythm aspect of his game and just playing within the pocket is non-existent. His outside-the-pocket, you know, making a play, extending a play is as good as anybody else in the league with maybe the exception of Mahomes… I just have yet to watch a game where I’ve seen him excel in the pocket... I just don’t see the development there for the last couple years and I don’t see a comfort level with Caleb’s game within the pocket.”
  (03:26–04:40)

• Implication: Williams’ improvisational skills are elite, but his lack of traditional, in-pocket quarterbacking raises major NFL concerns.

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2. Jordan Love: The Merits of Sitting and Studying

(04:40–06:45)

• Colin: Marvels at Jordan Love’s patience, maturity, and growth after sitting behind Aaron Rodgers for three years.
• Carson Palmer:

  “It’s a huge challenge, especially if you’re a first-round pick... For the first time in your career, you’re having to sit and watch somebody else play... When I watch Jordan Love play, he reminds me [of] Aaron Rodgers in the way he throws the ball... He’s built that because he did not look like that coming out of Nevada... He spent those three years diagnosing his game, picking up on little things watching the way [Rodgers] worked... He’s generating the velocity from his lower half... much like we saw Aaron Rodgers and much like he watched Aaron Rodgers do.”
  (05:16–06:45)

• Takeaway: Love’s transformation is a testament to the value of patience and learning from a master; his physical improvements and mental understanding mark him as a legit Rodgers successor.

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3. Bo Nix and Third Down Performance: Player, Coach, or Both?

(06:45–07:36)

• Colin: Raises question about Bo Nix’s third-down execution, whether it’s his progression or Sean Payton’s coaching.
• Carson Palmer:

  “You combine a great offensive-minded coach and then a quarterback that’s really mature, really smart, really does a good job taking care of the football and he has the ability, if number one and number two aren’t there, to get out there and move the chains with his feet. That’s a really rare, unique and rare combination that they have going in Denver.”
  (07:07–07:36)

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4. Daniel Jones: From Written-Off to Must-Extend

(07:36–09:36)

• Colin: Candidly admits missing on Daniel Jones, who’s thriving with the Colts and looks dynamic after being dismissed as stiff and limited.
• Carson Palmer:

  “I’ve always liked his game... The athletic ability is there... Now, having protection and having the confidence in the guys in front of you... You give him a solid offensive line with Jonathan Taylor... with that defense and a great young play caller, I really like this setup for Daniel... Some of the plays... you think back because he was in that New York media, the long 50- or 60-yard run where he tripped in the open field... but the guy still took off for 50 all the time in New York, he was always making plays with his legs.”
  (08:18–09:36)

• Summary: A better supporting cast and system have unlocked Jones’ true talent; he’s moved past his New York stigma.

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5. A.J. Brown, Locker Room Dynamics, and Addition-by-Subtraction

(09:36–12:08)

• Colin: Wonders if teams sometimes become more functional after losing an ultra-talented, high-profile receiver, referencing A.J. Brown and the Eagles’ offense.
• Carson Palmer:

  “A.J. Brown’s heavy on Jalen Hurts’ shoulders. You sensed it for the first six weeks of the season... you don’t want them to run 70% when you do take a shot and then you overthrow it and then, you know, that gets heavy... So I was not surprised at all to see the success they had, and I wouldn’t be all that surprised if, if AJ wasn’t on that team for very much longer.”
  (10:45–12:08)

• Insight: The pressure to keep superstars happy can weigh on QBs and teams, and sometimes, subtraction by subtraction actually works.

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6. Personal Insight: Carson Palmer Coaching and Family Life

(12:08–12:50)

• Colin: Checks in on Palmer’s high school coaching.
• Carson Palmer:

  “We’re doing good... I’m always yelling, I’m always screaming. I’m not cussing, but I’m on the headset and I’m in the refs year nonstop... critiquing their game more than I’m critiquing my own players’ game. But yeah, I’m that guy yelling and screaming on the headset for sure.”
  (12:11–12:46)

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7. NFL News Desk: Surprise Division Leaders and Patriots’ Rise

(17:44–20:25)

• Cavino & Colin: Drake Maye’s standout rookie year for the Patriots, surprising division leads (Patriots, Colts, Broncos).
• Drake Maye (clip):

  “The fans have been awesome all season. It’s been really cool to really see the difference from last year to this year. Man, it’s been a journey... I think the best fans in the league and they continue to show out every week.”
  (18:10–18:41)

• Colin:

  “This kid throws such a pretty ball and his feet aren’t nervous. Like, he’s not frenetic. He’s just a big, athletic, accurate quarterback. He’s like Justin Herbert, like the ball. He looks like a logo.”
  (18:59–19:32)

• Cavino: Points out Patriots haven’t been tested against good teams recently, but favorable schedule ahead.

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8. Monday Night Football Preview: Chiefs’ Health and Execution

(20:25–22:44)

• Cavino and Colin: Analyze injury updates (Chiefs missing offensive linemen against Washington) and betting insight for the game.
• Matt Nagy (Chiefs OC):

  “The execution by these players has been great. Protect the football. That’s been a key element... This is a detailed offense... all of a sudden one little detail can hurt you.”
  (20:55–21:25)

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9. College Football Coach Carousel and Job Hierarchy (Josh Pate Interview)

(27:37–34:13)

• Brian Kelly’s LSU Tenure – What Didn’t Work?

  • Josh Pate:

    “Brian Kelly never understood how to harness Louisiana... If you come in there and you just do above average work in recruiting and ingratiating yourself to those people, it is a rocket booster attached to your back... I just don’t think Brian Kelly ever really wanted to roll his sleeves up and get dirty...”
    (28:21–29:49)

• Best College Coaching Openings: LSU, Florida, Penn State

  • Josh Pate:

    “A lot of people in the sport think LSU is the best job in college football... If you take generic college football coach... they would say LSU, Florida, Penn State, in that order... For a guy like Lane Kiffin, I think he’d fit great in Baton Rouge or Gainesville.”
    (30:29–32:00)

• Indiana’s Sudden Dominance

  • Josh Pate:

    “Sometimes a guy is just a perfect fit at the perfect place at the perfect time... Maybe this really was just an example of a guy who was ready to jump and he was at James Madison... He had to reportal again this year... [Other major programs] portaled and failed, and Kurt Signetti is just sitting over there looking pissed off that he’s only up by 50.”
    (32:32–34:13)

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10. Quarterback Prospects: Sunday Potential

(34:13–35:49)

• Colin: Asks for the next great college QB prospect.
• Josh Pate:

  “The one thing I’ll say about Ty [Simpson]... is they don’t have a complementary ground game and too much has been put on their shoulders... Ty Simpson’s complementary ground game is not there... What stood out to me... is they’ve still been able to scale their offense... I think you may see him play his best ball down the stretch.”
  (34:47–35:49)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Carson Palmer on Caleb Williams:

  “The timing and rhythm aspect of his game and just playing within the pocket is non-existent… I just don’t see the development there.” (03:26–03:53)

• On Jordan Love:

  “When I watch Jordan Love play, he reminds me of Aaron Rodgers in the way he throws the ball, the way he moves within the pocket…” (05:16–05:26)

• On A.J. Brown’s Influence:

  “A.J. Brown’s heavy on Jalen Hurts’ shoulders... that gets heavy. You know that weighs on Jalen’s shoulders.” (10:45–11:43)

• Josh Pate on Brian Kelly:

  “If he would have won, they don’t care if he speaks Portuguese pig Latin. They don’t care if he won, he would have fit and the entirety of Louisiana would have gotten behind him.” (28:54–29:08)

• Colin on Drake Maye:

  “This kid throws such a pretty ball and his feet aren’t nervous. Like, he’s not frenetic. He’s just a big, athletic, accurate quarterback.” (18:59–19:11)

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Additional News and Rapid-Fire Segments

• Rams cornerback trade prediction came true (37:29)
• NFL trade deadline speculation: Patriots, Colts, Rams (37:29–38:24)
• Monday Night Football props and analysis—focus on trends, injuries, and potential surprises (20:25–22:44)

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Conclusion

This episode delivers high-level football analysis with a heavy focus on quarterback development, both on the field and in the locker room, and a keen look at college football’s coaching landscape. Carson Palmer and Josh Pate bring experienced, candid, and entertaining perspectives, while Colin orchestrates nuanced, in-the-moment reflections on the NFL’s biggest stories and trends. The dialogue is fast-paced, insightful, and packed with actionable knowledge for football fans looking for more than just the box score.

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Transcript

[Carson Palmer]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Rich Eisen]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Josh Pate]

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[Colin Cowherd]

That great Carson Palmer is joining us live. We always appreciate that. Fifteen years in the NFL.

[Rich Eisen]

You know, it's funny about timing and rhythm.

[Colin Cowherd]

I I'VE said this before when you came out of usc. I'm like, that's what a quarterback should look. Big, confident, strong arm, throwing it. And you could move like we, we tend to forget that Drew Brees early could move. You know, as guys get older, they move less. But where do you fall on the timing and rhythm and then off script stuff? Because I do feel like off script is probably what wins your Super Bowls. But the timing and rhythm stuff, you should be playing at a pretty high level with that. Like what do you see with Caleb that maybe you look at and it concerns you?

[Carson Palmer]

Yeah, the timing and rhythm aspect of his game and just playing within the pocket is non existent. His outside the pocket, you know, making a play, extending a play is as good as anybody else in the league with maybe the exception of Mahomes. I mean, once he gets outside the pocket, he's got the ability contort his body to throw it back across the field, across his body. He's got zip. He's got velocity on the ball athletically, that's where he thrives, is outside the pocket. That's one of the hardest places to make it in the NFL is outside the pocket. I mean, it's, it's that system. You look at Jared Goff, what, what he was doing with, with Jared Goff when he was in Detroit last year, everything Jared did and all of their success in Detroit came from within the pocket. And I just have yet to watch a game where I've seen him excel in the pocket and you know, drop back, take, you know, go through his footwork, whether it's five steps, one hitch, two hitch, three hitch, and then extend the play. You're just seeing him get to the pocket, look around, look around and then escape. As opposed to getting to get into the soft spot of the pocket and then stepping up and going through his progressions and going through his reads. I just don't see the development there for the last couple years and I don't see a comfort level with Caleb's game within the pocket.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I think the amazing thing about Jordan Love, he sat for three years to be a first round pick. You had to sit for a year behind a guy that you were clearly more gifted than good guy. But like Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith. I get a year. When you're sitting for three years, it would dry, pull your hair out. And here's Jordan Love, total grownup, mature. How hard do you think it was to sit for three full years and get no meaningful snaps as a pro athlete? What do you make of that.

[Carson Palmer]

It's a huge challenge, especially if you're a first round pick. You've probably been good since the fourth or fifth grade. So you've been on the field since the fourth or fifth grade. So for the first time in your career you're having to sit and watch somebody else play. And you know, fortunately for him, he wasn't probably ripping his hair out because he's watching Aaron Rodgers play. He was still playing at a, you know, extremely elite level. And you referenced it earlier, Colin, when you talked about his game, Jordan's game, reminding you of Patrick Mahomes. When I watch, when I watch Jordan Love play, he reminds me, Aaron Rodgers in the way he throws the ball, the way he moves within the pocket, the velocity the ball comes out with, the quickness that the ball comes out with. I think he spent those three years diagnosing his game, picking up on little things, watching the way he worked, watching the drills he did in practice and he's built that because he did not look like that coming out of Nevada. The ball did not come out that way. You know, he wasn't, he wasn't, you know, gifted enough to throw the ball, you know, off balance and off platform the way he is right now. Some of those balls he was throwing last night, you know, like you've seen Aaron do for years. You know, he's not planted in the ground, he's not using the force of the ground while the ball is coming off of his index finger. He's generating the velocity from his lower half and coming off the ground but still getting velocity and SPIN and RPMs of the football coming off his index finger much like we saw Aaron Rodgers and much like he watched Aaron Rodgers do for three years while he was sitting behind him waiting for his opportunity.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I want to talk Bo Nix, he right now is playing so well on three third down. So I always thought of third down as a quarterback down. Maybe it's a coaches down. How much of third down success for Bo Nix is Sean, Sean Payton? How much is Bo, how much is personnel? How do you view third down?

[Carson Palmer]

Hugely on both sides as far as what Bo Nicks is God given abilities are and what coach Sean Payton brings to the table. So you compare, you know, or you combine a great offensive minded coach and then a quarterback that's really mature, really smart, really does a good job taking care of the football and he has the ability, if number one and number two aren't there to get out there and move the chains with his feet. That's That's a really rare, unique and rare combination that they have going in Denver.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, the. The Daniel Jones story is fascinating. So I've seen Baker and Sam Darnold reinvent themselves. And Daniel Jones, I'm the first to admit, I just didn't see it. I thought he was kind of stiff. I didn't think he was terribly fluid. I thought the easy stuff, 15 and under, looked too hard. And now I watch him in India and I'm like, oh, you've got to sign him to an extension. This is a big, strong, athletic guy. I don't know. Hey, I. I missed on that. Did. Are you surprised? They're the number one most efficient offense in the league by a long shot. Are you surprised at all?

[Carson Palmer]

No, I'm not. I mean, I've always liked his game. I wasn't quite sure of him when he was coming out of Duke. The athletic ability is there. I mean, he showed it time and time again in New York. Now, having protection and having the confidence in the guys in front of you. They were a mess up front in New York his entire time there, and they still are a bit of a mess up front. But you give him a solid offensive line with Jonathan Taylor and a defense and a great young play caller. I really like this setup for Daniel. You know, the only thing that, you know, you don't love about his game is he doesn't have just an overpowering arm. You know, a ton of velocity on the football, but he doesn't need it. I think he's always done a good job moving and extending plays. I mean, you know, some of the players plays, you think back because he was in that New York media, you know, the long 50 yard or 60 yard run where he tripped in the open field. You know, that got. That got overhyped and overplayed, but the guy still took off for 50 all the time in New York, he was always making plays with his legs. So the athletic abilities there, you give him, you know, the running game and the offensive line play that he's had along with, you know, that defense and that play color. It's a great recipe for him and Indy for sure.

[Colin Cowherd]

So it's weird. It happens. I see it in the NBA sometimes where a really good player leaves, but the chemistry and the ball movement improves. And maybe it's a guy that is, you know, you bring in a guy that's less talented, but he's a. He's a little better teammate, more willing passer in the NFL. A.J. brown doesn't play Philadelphia explodes and I'm like, I like A.J. brown. I'm a fan of A.J. brown, but I remember when the Cowboys got rid of DEZ Bryant and they loved him. He was a touchdown magnet. But Dak was better. He didn't wake up in the morning thinking, I got to get it to Des 12 times. And I do feel like Jalen hurts is better when he's just sprinkling the infield. When he's throwing, he can do rpos, he can do touch push. And I watched AJ Brown and I said earlier today, I'm like, I think he would fit with Vrabel in New England. I don't know, know, watching yesterday without him, maybe this great athlete. They, they, all they do is think about getting in the ball. Did you ever play with a team that moved off a great athlete and actually the team was a bit more functional?

[Carson Palmer]

Oh, like you said, we see it all the time. You know, A.J. brown's heavy on Jalen hurts shoulders. And you, you sensed it for the, you know, first six weeks of the season. Um, you know, and then you saw him just explode. And like you're saying he was just playing more fluid more, he's playing quicker. When you have, you know, an ego or you know, the drama that comes with somebody like, like AJ, that he's brought into that locker room and really into that huddle and into Jalen hurts week, you know, as your week is going on and you know, you install first and second down early in the week, then you get to third down, then you get to red zone as those plays are being installed in meetings, as you're then going out on the field and replicating them, and then you're going back inside the meetings and watching those film filmed practice plays. In Jalen's mind, when AJ's a part of it, he's always thinking about it. And on this play, what if I get this and how do I get A.J. the, you know, the ball in this situation, and then you go out on the field and you try to do it and you try to keep him into practice and keep his energy level high and keep him running 100, you know, running full speed because you don't want them to run 70% when you do take a shot and then you overthrow it and then, you know, that gets heavy. You know that that weighs on Jalen shoulders. So I was not surprised at all to see the success they had, and I wouldn't be all that surprised if, if AJ wasn't on that team for very much longer.

[Colin Cowherd]

How's your son doing? How's your high school team doing?

[Carson Palmer]

We're doing good. We're doing doing good. Santa Margarita one a big game this last weekend against Orange Lutheran. We finish out the regular season this Friday night on Halloween and then on to the playoffs.

[Colin Cowherd]

Are you on, Are you one of those coaches on the headset.

[Carson Palmer]

Yelling and screaming and. Yeah, I'm always yelling, I'm always screaming. I'm not cussing, but I'm on the headset and I'm in the refs year nonstop, you know, and you know, critiquing their game more than I'm critiquing my own players game. But yeah, I'm that guy yelling and screaming on the headset for sure.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right, my kind of coach. Carson Palmer. Great seeing you, my man.

[Carson Palmer]

Thanks.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, he does not age. Santa Margarita, his team, his son's the quarterback, number 11 in the nation. Hey, you got to get on those refs. Got to get on those guys. You know, it's like me on J. Mac. Got to keep them in line. Sometimes you give them that zebra shirt and they think they run the world.

[Cavino]

Yeah, you know, I got my first technical in my men's league this season. Five seasons, never got a tech. Got one this season. I'm a chirpy, I'm, I'm shocker. I'm a noisy guy sometimes.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I just, I'm shocked by that. Be sure to catch live editions of.

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[Colin Cowherd]

All sorts of things happening. Josh Pate, great voice in college football. Before the end of the show, here's J. Mac with the news.

[Carson Palmer]

No, no, no.

[Colin Cowherd]

Heard on the news.

[Josh Pate]

This is the herd line news.

[Cavino]

Start with one of your guys. He was my guy first, but Drake May of the New England Patriots. Hey, man, I love the Patriots this week. Easy. No sweat. Winner crushing the hapless Cleveland Browns. May threw for 282 and three touchdowns, had 50 rushing yards. I think zero trips to the blue tent, which is something to watch because these young quarterbacks keep getting hurt. Drake May loves it when the fans shower him with praise.

[Drake May]

I didn't hear it. The guys were making fun of me about my slide back in the huddle on the long run, so I didn't hear it. But the fans have been awesome all season. It's been really cool to really see the difference from last year to this year. Man, it's been a journey and, you know, they've been through it and they've been, you know, the fans been through it the last couple years, so it's just credit to them. And we did the intros today for the first time, so we didn't know how that would go. That was pretty cool. But now the fans have been awesome. Like I said, I think the best fans in the league and they continue to show out every week.

[Colin Cowherd]

That dude is good.

[Cavino]

He's really good. Eight games in, who is the most unlikely leader in the AFC division? You got the Patriots, you've got the Colts, and you got the Broncos. Nobody had that eight weeks in. Zero people had those three division leaders.

[Josh Pate]

Okay?

[Cavino]

Nobody. Everybody was Bills, Ravens, Chiefs, pretty much.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think New England's the most surprising simply because you have Josh Allen. But they went to Buffalo and controlled that game. That was, that was not a coincidental win or a. I mean, it's. This kid throws such a pretty ball and his feet aren't nervous. Like, he's not frenetic. He's just a Big, athletic, accurate quarterback. Gotta throw the ball. Just looks great. He. He's like Justin Herbert, like the ball. He looks like a logo. Like the ball just comes out at the high point. It's accurate. It's got velocity. He's so good.

[Cavino]

All right, now that we're done glazing, let's just keep it real. Okay, these are the last three teams. The Patriots beat the New Orleans Saints, who are one of the worst teams in the league, maybe the worst. The Tennessee Titans, who are an abomination currently, and the Cleveland Browns, who are rotten. So they're beating up on the dregs, and I do mean dregs of the league. That being said, next up is the Atlanta Falcons. If it's Kirk Cousins, you could give Rabel the victory there. If it's Penix and maybe it's interesting, then it's Tampa, then the hapless jets, then Joe Flacco. I'm just. Guys, if you bet the Patriots to have the number one seed you're going to have, you're going to be sitting on a fun ticket come like week 17. This team is pretty good, man. They're well rounded.

[Rich Eisen]

Colin? Nope.

[Colin Cowherd]

They don't have a ton of star power. They could use, I think, you know, an edge receiver, a sideline receiver and maybe another pass rusher. But overall, good team.

[Cavino]

Yeah, very, very good. Let's move on to tonight's game, Monday Night Football. The Washington Commanders getting 11. I'm sorry, 10 and a half now in Arrowhead. I've seen some numbers that Mahomes has not been great on Monday Night Football. You know, he was good against the Jags, but had the pick six. That kind of lost it for him. Overall, though, the Chiefs are rolling the last four weeks. My guy, Rasheed Rice is on fire. Here's OC Matt Nagy talking about why the offense keeps flowing.

[Matt Nagy]

Keep the execution at a high. Right now, which it is. The execution by these players has been great. Protect the football. That's been a key element, is making sure that with our defense that we have, if we protect the football and we score touchdowns, we're always going to be in good shape. And then never, never get relaxed with the details. This is a detailed offense. And so just when you think you're doing everything the right way, all of a sudden one little detail can hurt you. So I think our coaching staff, coach re, all the guys, the players, they're professionals.

[Colin Cowherd]

When's that? When. When's that guy going to get a head coaching opportunity?

[Cavino]

A quarter to never. So let let's just big, big news. Well, not huge news. The left tackle that we talked about mysteriously absent Josh Simmons. We're not going to guess it's a personal matter. He's missing. So the left tackle's out. Their guard, Trey Smith, who's very good, he is listed as doubtful. Again, I don't know what chicanery is going on with the Chiefs injury report. Two offensive linemen down ain't great against a Washington defensive front with Payne Kinlaw, like, I'm just. There's a world where Washington makes this interesting.

[Drake May]

All right.

[Cavino]

And. And I. I think the only play here is taking. If you can get 11. Great. 10 and a half is not as good, obviously. Do you have a. A side here?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I didn't know Trey Smith was out, but I would take Kansas City at home with Mariota playing who gets hurt and also makes mistakes. So I.

[Cavino]

Revenge spot for Mariota against Andy Reid. And remember that tough playoff loss where I think the titans led like 210 or 19 nothing and blew the game? Yeah. If you want a fun player. Prop Debo Samuel first touchdown. I do think Washington kicks it into gear. Kingsbury looks good. Deebo Samuel's like + 1600 for first.

[Colin Cowherd]

Tunny J. Mac with the news.

[Josh Pate]

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping the herd lie news.

[Colin Cowherd]

Highlight of today's show has to be my Laker trade proposal with Austin Reeves. Would we agree on that? And the Justin Herbert. I made an exception. I will allow Justin Herbert, it was an off day. To wear his hat on backwards. I. It's an executive decision. I am a romantic. Shame on me. But he's got his, you know, a new companion. And so you gotta, you know, listen, you can't just be rigid all the time. I have made an exception on the backward hat. Next up, one of the great voices, young voices of college football. Josh Pate, Lane Kiffin, lsu. What do we make of Indiana? Loopy. The Hoosiers are a power. It's the Herd.

[Josh Pate]

Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Dan Morgan]

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[Drake May]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

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[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Cool.

[Rich Eisen]

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[Cavino]

Game 3 of the World Series as the scene shifts to LA, where Vlad Jr. And the Blue Jays take on Shohei Otani and The Dodgers. Game three of the World Series coverage begins tonight at 7:00pm Eastern, 4:00pm Pacific on Fox.

[Colin Cowherd]

By the way, tip of the cap to our graphics department or whoever is making those ghosts appear on the screen, whatever department that is. Way to go. That is awesome. His name is Josh Pate, and I think he's the best young voice in college football, hands down. The Josh Pate College football show on YouTube. Just tremendous. And so I want to bring him in today. He really knows all the sport. And so I thought Brian Kelly would work. I thought the fit was weird, especially when he did. I joked about this last night. The Hillary Clinton Southern twang suddenly appeared. It was a little odd, but I thought it would work.

[Rich Eisen]

Josh.

[Colin Cowherd]

It didn't. Where did it go wrong?

[Josh Pate]

All right, so I was telling someone else this this morning. I was talking to my dad about this last night. I grew up in the Deep South. We are used to people from the north coming in who have been schooled by consulting firms all located in Manhattan on how to appeal to Southerners. So Brian Kelly had clearly gone through that ringer before. He took the basketball court with a mic in his hand and he. He did the Southern accent and he had these cringy videos with recruits every. Not everybody. Colin. A lot of people think that's where the, you know, the fit didn't happen.

[Colin Cowherd]

It.

[Josh Pate]

That's not what mattered. If he would have won. They don't care if he speaks Portuguese pig Latin. They don't care if he won. He would have fit and the entirety of Louisiana would have gotten behind him. I think fundamentally, Brian Kelly never understood how to harness Louisiana. That sounds kind of Hallmark cardish, I know. But what I really mean by that is if you come in there and you just do above Average work in recruiting and ingratiating yourself to those people, it is a rocket booster attached to your back. And, I mean, there's a reason Orgeron figured out a way to win there, and Les Miles figured out a way to win there. It's because Louisiana figures out a way for you. And what's crazy, the closer you get to the program is they got some really, really good people in that building down there. I just don't think Brian Kelly ever really wanted to roll his sleeves up and get dirty. Now, compared to someone out there working 40 hours a week, Brian Kelly was a grinder. Compared to his peers, Brian Kelly was not a grinder.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yep, this is what I heard. You know, Dan Mullen didn't love recruiting. Heard him at Florida. You got it. You got to roll your sleeves up. So I got to ask you. Penn State's got an opening. Florida's got an opening. LSU's got an opening. I've been to Gainesville half a dozen times. I think it's a great college town. I would. I would take Florida. LSU is almost its own country. It's its own vibe. Penn State's good, but again, I get the state of Florida. You're an expert at this stuff. If I line those up and I'm Lane Kiffin, let's say, and he's going to make the playoffs at Ole Miss, what's viewed in the sport as the best of those three, There are a.

[Josh Pate]

Lot of people in the sport that think the LSU is the best job in college football. So if you take generic college football coach, or take them all and pour them in a blender and pour it out, they would say lsu, Florida, Penn State, in that order. But you and I have talked about this before. You know as well as I do there are some candidates out there that have very, very peculiar, or maybe not peculiar, but very specific ties or draws or things they value. It could be anything from I want to live close to the beach to I played in and grew up in the Midwest to my wife has family in eastern Pennsylvania, and I'd love for her to be close to them. That heavily impacts which job you take. Like, if you're Kiffin, I don't particularly feel like he's a puzzle piece fit in Pennsylvania. I think he'd work wonders in Gainesville. I think he'd fit great in Baton Rouge. And on the topic of Lane, I got to be real with you, man. Everybody's got an opinion on this, and I do as well. Like, if I had to lean one way, I'd say 55, 45. I think he'll leave if he's offered one of these jobs. But you've had big offers in front of you in life. Okay, so think about this. You're at espn. It's. It's one thing to float the concept of going to Fox or going a political route or whatever. It's another thing when you get the call calling the offers on the table. It's time to discuss. It's time to decide yes or no. That's when you really find out where your heart is. I'm going to be real with you. I don't even think Lane Kiffin's arrived at that spot yet.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, well, I mean, they're winning. It's his offense. They're going to make the playoffs. There's no hurry, by the way. Okay, explain to a casual fan. They look at Indiana and they're like, what in the world is. We know Ohio State's great. Texas A and M gets, you know, great recruits. Explain Indiana blowing out everybody and looking like. I mean, if they played Ohio State today, is it a one point spread? Explain Indiana football.

[Josh Pate]

I have my dad explain Florida State football pre Bobby bowden to me 50 times when I was growing up, because I grew up in the era where Florida State was already a powerhouse. He had to explain to me, no, once upon a time, they were like a map dot on the college football landscape. And this guy came in there and he harnessed what Florida State could be. But even then, what he was doing was getting a bunch of kids from Florida. That's not even what Sig's doing. I think what he did do is he sort of punted the ant bed, as Meemaw would say. And out from that ant bed came a whole lot of money. And it turns out Indiana's always had a staggering resource pool to invest in college football. Now, look, I immerse myself in this stuff, and I'd be lying if I told you this wasn't a surprise to me as well. What I have found hilarious is everyone wants an explainer. I do, too. Sometimes a guy is just a perfect fit at the perfect place at the perfect time. Now, a lot of people admit that about Kurt Signetti. They say, oh, what, What a magic job he's pulled off there. But then that same person, in the very next breath, when it comes coaching search time, says, all right, where's the next Signetti? Maybe there's not one. You know, maybe. Maybe this really was just an example of a guy who was ready to jump and he was at James Madison. Took a lot of his players with him. But that was last year. They had to reportal again this year. And you know how bad it makes people look at major programs when he hit with the quarterback he brought with him. But then he went and got Mendoza at Cal. Meanwhile, I got Auburn wasting away with Jackson Arnold. I got half a dozen other examples of places that portaled and failed. And Kurt Signetti is just sitting over there looking pissed off that he's only up by 50. It's the craziest thing in the world.

[Colin Cowherd]

It is in my lifetime. It's, it's. It's crazy. Okay, There's a bunch of college quarterbacks. I watched Ty Simpson again this weekend. I just want to see. I want to see. Wow, he's good. We got a minute and a half left. If I said one of them is going to be a number one pick a month ago I thought it was Dante Moore. Ty Simpson, what do you make? Is it the kid? It's South Carolina who's a hyper, athletic kid who could. The Rams could take him and sit him behind Stafford for a year. Give me the college quarterback that you think makes a Sunday player, good Sunday player.

[Josh Pate]

Okay. I would be with you on Lenora Sellers. So let me put him in a compartment over here. The one thing I'll say about Ty is something that's bitten a lot of these guys that were hyped in the preseason, like Kate Club Nick at Clemson or Garrett Nussmeier is they don't have complimentary ground games and too much has been put on their shoulders and it's just imploded. Ty Simpson's complimentary ground game is not there. Bama's in like the one hundreds in traditional rushing numbers this year. What stood out to me, and this is a testament to him and Ryan Grubb and Kaylin DeBoer is they've still been able to scale their offense. No one has crowbar Alabama right now. Georgia did in the second half, but that was after Bama already got out to a big league because they dominated the first half. I think that actually speaks to the credit of Ty Simpson. And last week, I don't think that was that tough to see coming. Man, that's. That's fifth straight up week in a row on the road desperation mode for South Carolina. They go into a buy now. They got four games, then maybe a trip to Atlanta. I think you may see him play his best ball down the stretch.

[Colin Cowherd]

Josh Pate, his college football shows on YouTube. Great voice, great best Young voice in college football. I have gray hair. Everybody's young to me but Josh is a rising ascending. There you go. Look at it. Whatever.

[Josh Pate]

That's beautiful.

[Colin Cowherd]

Great seeing my man.

[Josh Pate]

Great seeing you. Call him.

[Rich Eisen]

All right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Josh Pate. Remember that name. Covering college football for 15 years and just crushes it every time I talk to him. Yeah, he heard the same thing I did on Brian Kelly. I talked to a coach last year and he's like, man, it's 80 hours. The first two years you're in a program, it's 80 hours a week. He's like, brian wants to golf. He'll give you 55. Does he want to roll? And I don't blame him. I don't blame him. I like golf way more now than I did 10 years ago. Like, I get it. I'm not good at it. I'm just saying I like it and it's so. There you go. I did not ask a USC question. Providing once again an example of the kind of journalism this show employs on a regular basis. J. Mac. Yeah, I know everybody likes Washington tonight. That's not how I'm going to roll.

[Cavino]

Don't like Washington. I like the 11 points.

[Colin Cowherd]

How did you do in your picks?

[Cavino]

It was great. Four and one in the contest. I listen, I'm not as hot as you but I've had a good three week stretch here. Starting to see the ball a little more clear off the pitcher's fingers.

[Colin Cowherd]

I will say this, this week was a big favorites weekend. I've already seen the early numbers. Couple of dogs.

[Cavino]

Well, the numbers are inflated big time. There's a lot to chew on here. Coming up this week, how about the Rams? They are favored by a lot against say it again.

[Colin Cowherd]

Breaking news, Rams. We predicted this after that Philly loss when they couldn't stop A.J. brown. Rams went out to the Titans, picked up a former second round pick, corner, maybe got a little size to him. Depending on how that corner plays, they give up a fifth or a six round pick. They've got two fives, two six in April and two ones. So they're like we'll give you a fifth or a sixth. If he plays, we'll give you a fifth. So the Rams trading deadline is coming up. The Rams made the move we predicted. I want to watch New England. I also want to keep, keep your eye on New England. Keep your eye on the Colts getting an edge rusher. Keep your eye on these super bowl level teams. Rams, Colts. New England is maybe not, not quite there yet but with New England make a move on a sideline receiver. Sneaky.

[Cavino]

Interesting game coming up. You mentioned the Colts Colts at Steelers next week. I'm just telling you this. Pittsburgh is desperate and I know Aaron Rodgers always been good. Jay they were 1 for 10 on third down last night and I'm fairly certain the one conversion was via penalty in the secondary. So Aaron Rodgers has not been great. Colin let's be real.

[Colin Cowherd]

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