THE HERD - Hour 3 - More on the journey of Sam Darnold, what the Patriots tried to do on defense, Robert Griffin III

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd — Episode Summary

Hour 3: More on the Journey of Sam Darnold, Patriots' Defensive Approach, and Robert Griffin III Analysis
Air Date: February 9, 2026
Guests: Robert Griffin III (RG3), Jason McIntyre
Host: Colin Cowherd

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Episode Overview

This hour of The Herd dives into the remarkable story of Sam Darnold’s resurgence and Super Bowl win, dissects the Patriots’ conservative offensive strategy and defensive identity, and offers insights from special guest Robert Griffin III (RG3). The hosts also discuss Seattle’s team-building approach, coaching moves around the league, the shifting value of offensive lines, and evolving trends in NFL quarterback play. Notable quotes and technical analysis punctuate this lively and opinionated discussion.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sam Darnold’s Comeback and Super Bowl Performance

• RG3 calls Darnold's arc “one of the greatest comeback stories in NFL history.”
  • "To go from the third pick, get benched in New York, get benched in Carolina, go become a backup in San Francisco and then get a starting gig in Minnesota and really take advantage of it. You saw what happened in Minnesota when he left." — RG3 (03:29)
• Despite not playing “lights out,” Darnold’s error-free performance throughout the playoffs stands out.
• Tactical Insight: Seattle’s approach of consistently taking points (kicking field goals) rather than gambling on fourth down is praised:
  • "When everyone’s really, really nervous, you see points on that board, it changes the outcome of everything. The defense plays with more energy." — RG3 (04:05)

Timestamp: 03:29–04:37

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2. Patriots Offense, Drake Maye’s Development, and O-Line Issues

• Jason McIntyre and RG3 dissect how rookie QB Drake Maye struggled under pressure.
• RG3’s Critique:
  • Drake Maye didn’t assert himself at key moments, preferring to pass under pressure instead of scrambling:
    • "You have to be like Jordan, when things get bad, you have to get great. And Drake Maye, too many times was sitting in the pocket…when he knew his O-line was a bunch of traffic cones out there." — RG3 (05:27)
  • Offensive line and playmaker deficiencies further amplified Maye’s struggles; Patriots' O-line “couldn't block a soul.”
• Patriots’ Future: Concerns about coordinator changes and the need for aggressive upgrades at WR and OL.
  • "If I'm the Patriots, I go into this and say, what player can I go get in the draft or free agency that is going to naturally make me a more aggressive play caller?" — RG3 (12:42)

Timestamp: 05:27–13:19, 12:42

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3. Seattle’s Defensive Greatness and Dynasty Potential

• Seattle's defense receives high praise; compared to “the best defenses of all time.”
  • RG3: "They’re probably one of the best defenses of all time." (04:34)
• The crew warns against complacency after a Super Bowl win, advising prudent roster evolution in the mold of the Patriots or Chiefs:
  • "Every team that saw you is coming back and they're gearing their team to beat you because you're now the standard." — RG3 (09:53)
• Cap space and the organization’s strong drafting put Seattle in a “scary” position for the rest of the league.
  • RG3: "This team…they’re set up to be the dynasty that we thought the Seahawks were going to be when they had the Legion of Boom." (11:00)

Timestamp: 09:10–11:06

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4. Coaching Changes: Kubiak, Kingsbury, Adam Gase

• Kubiak’s Departure: Concern about offensive continuity and rapport with Darnold, but optimism about retaining other key staff and weapons (Kenneth Walker, Cooper Kupp).
• Cliff Kingsbury’s Surprise Move: Joins the Rams with an undefined role, possibly as a strategic hire to block Seattle’s access to a top offensive mind.
  • "Kingsbury may not initially call plays. There may be an opportunity here for McVay to slowly bring along." — Jason McIntyre (25:47)
• Adam Gase Resurfaces: Named Chargers passing game coordinator, his career trajectory is lampooned:
  • "I heard he was cutting hair in Long Island this past year…Now Harbaugh throws him a lifeline." — Colin (27:39)

Timestamp: 07:49, 25:03–27:31

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5. AFC Quarterback Landscape and the Patriots’ Road Ahead

• The AFC remains stacked with elite young QBs (Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Lawrence, Jackson).
• Consensus: Seattle is a better bet to return to the Super Bowl than New England, who will face a much tougher schedule and stiffer conference competition.
  • "If I was a betting man…the team that I would bet on to get back would be Seattle, not the Patriots." — RG3 (11:47)

Timestamp: 11:06–12:11

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6. Mike Macdonald’s Defensive Genius

• RG3 shares insight from his time in Baltimore about Macdonald’s deceptive, adaptive blitz system:
  • "At the line of scrimmage, they allow their safeties and their linebackers and their outside edge rushers to determine who is blitzing based off the turn of the center and based off the call point...they’re non-verbal changes." (14:14)
• Coaching trust in smart defenders enables consistent free rushers, making Macdonald’s defense “always feel like you’re playing catch up.”

Timestamp: 14:14–16:10

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7. League Trends: The O-Line Crisis, Analytics, and Risk Management

• The decline in O-line play is attributed to reduced practice hitting (collective bargaining rules) and the predominance of spread offenses in college.
• Impact: Offenses struggle, defenses with twitchy athletes dominate games.
  • "Offensive lines are chemistry units…O-line play is determining outcomes and it stinks everywhere." — Colin (30:19)
• Analytics in 4th down/risk decision-making are debated—Seattle wins by being conservative in a defense-first context.

Timestamp: 30:19–33:14, 43:16

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Sam Darnold’s Renaissance:
  • “Sam Darnold has one of the greatest comeback stories in NFL history.” — RG3 (03:29)
• On Taking the Points:
  • "In big time matchups like the Super Bowl, when everyone’s really, really nervous, you see points on that board, it changes the outcome of everything." — RG3 (04:05)
• On Drake Maye’s Hesitation:
  • "You have to be like Jordan, when things get bad, you have to get great…too many times was sitting in the pocket." — RG3 (05:27)
• On Defensive Mastermind Macdonald:
  • "They’re non-verbal changes. That’s what makes this defense so difficult to defend…he trusts his players so much." — RG3 (14:14)
• On Seattle’s Sustained Success:
  • “This team is…set up to be the dynasty that we thought the Seahawks were going to be when they had the Legion of Boom.” — RG3 (11:00)
• On O-line crisis:
  • “Offensive lines need more practice time. They have regressed.” — Colin (30:19)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Sam Darnold’s Career & Super Bowl: 03:29–04:37
• Drake Maye & Patriots’ Struggles: 05:27–13:19
• Seattle’s Defensive Identity: 04:34, 09:10–11:06
• Coaching Carousel News: 07:49, 25:03–27:31
• AFC QB Landscape & Patriots’ Outlook: 11:06–12:11
• Mike Macdonald’s Defensive Philosophy: 14:14–16:10
• O-Line Issues & League Trends: 30:19–33:14, 43:16

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Episode Tone & Style

The hour is conversational, fast-paced, and banter-filled. The panel blends technical football analysis with strong opinions, some humor, and behind-the-scenes anecdotes. RG3 offers a “player’s eye” on schemes and locker rooms, while Colin and Jason balance technical talk with broader contextual narratives about team building, history, and league trends.

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This episode is a must-listen for NFL fans seeking both X’s and O’s analysis and big-picture context on where the game—and some of its hottest storylines—are heading.

Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Now, let's get this party started.

[Jason McIntyre]

You're listening to FOX Sports Radio. Welcome back. All right, there we go, guys. Struggling here to here. Make sure we got it right. Yeah, there we go. Got it figured out with that RG3, Robert Griffin III is now joining us live. Well, there's, there's so many things.

[Colin Cowherd]

You.

[Jason McIntyre]

Know, in a blowout, people often think you can't take much from it. But I mean, we have a young Drake may we have a New England staff that had a very conservative game plan. And then there's obviously the Darnold component. Through the entire playoff run, he didn't have a turnover. Just give me your thought to somebody who's played the position and it's, you know, listen, he's bounced around the league. A lot of teammates, a lot of coordinators, Sometimes chaos. What jumps out to you? How do you wrap a bow around Sam Darnold? The super bowl win in his career?

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Yeah, I mean, I think Sam Donald has one of the greatest comeback stories in NFL history. When you look at what he's been through, throwing 63 touchdowns in a spurt, six years in the league, playing for, you know, three different teams, then he comes into his last two and he throws 60 touchdowns downs with the Vikings and also with the Seahawks, I think what he's been able to pull off, very few people can do to go from the third pick, get Benson New York, get benched in Carolina, go become a backup in San Francisco and then get a starting gig in Minnesota and really take advantage of it. You saw what happened in Minnesota when he left. So I just think Sam dawn, the way he handled the game was very unique because he wasn't very efficient and it's not like he played lights out. But I think this game kind of solidified for me the whole debate around whether you take the points, you go for it on fourth down every single time Seattle took the points. And in big time matchups like the super bowl, when everyone's really, really nervous, you see points on that board, it changes the outcome of everything. The defense plays with more energy. And I think that Seahawks defense, you know, they're not getting this type of praise, but I think they're probably one of the best defense of all time.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, analytics are funny. There was a moment Seattle could have gone for it at about the 40 and they punted it. And my take was. My take was New England needed a break. It could be a block, it could be a block punt. It could Be a. They needed a break and it's like, yeah, their defense was playing well. Why give them a break? Why get stuffed and give them great field position? They've. So, I mean, that's a crime. I don't know what analytics said, but my take is when offenses need help, don't help them. And Seattle's like, we're just going to keep kicking field goals, and if we beat you nine, nothing, we're going to live with it. Do you look. When you look at Drake, maybe. I think Chris Collins were said it at halftime, and I don't think he wanted to say it, but he kind of. It was. He kind of came out and just said, drake May's not. He's not ready for this. I mean, you're watching in a stadium. What did you see?

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Yeah, I think Drake May, this is my. My biggest critique of him for the entire game, and it was really for the entire playoffs. You know, he'd had a bunch of scrambles in the. In the postseason. I think he led the NFL and scramble yardage. But when his team needed him to truly take over the game, felt like he passed the ball. So. And I say that to say, you know, I'm not a big LeBron hater, but, God, some people say LeBron, in big moments, he passes the ball to someone else to shoot it because he doesn't want to take the shot. And I felt like in those moments, you have to be like Jordan, when things get bad, you have to get great. And Drake May, too many times was sitting in the pocket, in my opinion, when he knew he had free runners, when he knew his offensive line was a bunch of traffic cones out there and they couldn't block a soul. When he knew that. Don't even get me started on Will Campbell, left tackle. I mean, Lord have mercy. Everybody was trying to swipe their card on that dining hall because everybody was eating when they went against him. So I think in that moment, and when you're the quarterback and you have the athletic ability that Drake May does possess, you have to say, all right, my clock has to speed up a little bit. I'm not going to get jittery in the pocket. But what I am going to do is I'm going to get out here, and I've said it multiple times, get jiggy with it. Listen, man, if you guys can't block him, you got to help them block them. That'll. Yeah. You know how many times in my career my offensive lineman came to me and said, oh, thank you, Jesus, for. For Making that guy miss because I couldn't block him. But it gave me a little bit of confidence to know that you're going to make my wrongs right a couple times a game to give me the confidence to shoot my hands and know that I can go out there and do it. That was probably the most disappointing thing for me from Drake May, aside from the fact that they got to fix the O line and they need more prime time players at wide receiver. Because I think you saw it, Colin, when you get into those games, it's all about the Jimmy's and the Joes, not just the X's and O's. And the Patriots got beat in both regards.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, the. Do you worry at all that Clint Kubiak is leaving and may take a couple of coaches with him? I mean Sam's had a lot of success with two different teams. You know, it was interesting. Matt Hasselbeck came on earlier and he goes, I think they'll keep Kenneth Walker because you're going to have so much movement on the staff. John Snyder is going to be like, we're going to keep that. Even though the running back is not a pass catcher, not a great blocker, he's, he's continuity. Do you worry about Kubiak leaving?

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Yeah, you always worry about the coordinator leaving because they create a rapport with the players that they know how to call the plays and that's what a lot of people, you know at home and even some, obviously some former players that I'm here and talking today don't realize is the plays matter. But when they get called, how they get called, how the coordinator knows the quarterback's temperament, what he needs in those moments, all those things matter. I think you see that in Philly with Jalen Hurts and how many coordinators he's had, the guys that have, that have called the games best for him have the best feel for that qb. So I think they should keep Kenneth Walker in third. I know they're gonna, you know they're gonna get Zach Charbonnet back. That's a great one, two punch. And really the concern for me isn't as much Kubiak, but it's like what does Cooper cup do? Because now he's a two time super bowl champ, he's a offensive player of the year, super bowl mvp. Does he walk away? Does he, does he ride off into the sunset? Because I don't think people really give him credit because he didn't have the season that Jackson, Smith and Jigba had. But who was the number One guy they went to as soon as Jackson, Smith and Jigba went out, it was Cooper Cup. He's a big reason why that they won that Super Bowl. So I am concerned about the coordinator, but I think that they're going to do what they have to do defensively to make sure they keep a lot of that defense and then they can retool through the draft on offense.

[Jason McIntyre]

Do you worry that Seattle and they draft so well? They do have cap space, which is just frightening because they don't have a whole. I mean, it's really. And it's like the coach is just going into his prime. Darnold's now right in the thick of his prime.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Yep.

[Jason McIntyre]

But you. You don't necessarily want to bring the entire band back. Is there anything you tweak? I know it's a loaded question, but when you look at Seattle, like I said earlier, Rashid Shahid is wonderful, but I wouldn't pay him a fortune because he. I think they went and got him because they felt like they were a Super bowl team and just needed a little icing on a great cake. Any other move Seattle could do to you, or you just kind of say, listen, we're loaded. Bring back Walker, we're good.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

No, I always think that teams, they make that mistake when they win the previous year. What you have to realize is now that every. Every team that saw you is coming back and they're. They're gearing their team to beat you because you're now the standard. So agree. Rashid Shahid was a great addition for them, especially on special teams, the way that they went about that. But if you think about the dynasties of the Patriots and the Chiefs, every single year, they tried to add a dynamic wide receiver, whether it be with speed or size, and they tried to add another dynamic running back. I think that, to me, is what Seattle has to do, because I don't see Sam Donald playing the way he played in the regular season this past year again. And I mean that in the. From the negative sense, like he led the league in turnovers, I don't think he's going to do that, but I think they should try to add another dynamic wide out. If you can get Rasheed Shahid back without, you know, having to pay out the wazoo and break the bank form, I would do it. I would try to bring all those guys back, but still add young pieces through the draft. And to me, this team is. They're set up to be the dynasty that we thought. Yeah, the Seahawks were going to be when they had the lesion of boom. So I think that's a very positive firm. Like you said, that cap space is scary.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. The, you know, the Patriots burrow, probably Lamar Mahomes all make the playoffs. We've got an offensive coach with Josh Allen. Justin Herbert's getting his tackles back. Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence has got a guide, speed dialing up great plays. AFC quarterback play is not going anywhere. I like a lot of what New England's doing, but did you watch Drake May? Did you come away saying, you know, he may not make. We're not going to get both these teams back next year? And a lot of those AFC top quarterbacks either. Didn't have all lines, didn't have their health.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

I mean, do you think New England repeats and can get back to this thing?

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

I think there's two things that's going to be stacked against New England now. They're going to have one of the toughest schedules in the NFL because of the. Because of the way that they finished. If I was a betting man that the team that I would bet on to get back would be Seattle, not. Not the Patriots, for all the reasons that you just mentioned. But I also think they're going to have to go into next year and that whatever game plan they had going to this one, throw that bad boy in the trash because they were playing so conservative.

[Jason McIntyre]

Oh, it made.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

It made me feel honestly, Colin, like. Like they would. There was something wrong with Drake May.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Like, was it his shoulder? Was. Was there something that they didn't want to put him in harm's way or he didn't want to put himself in harm's way.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

And I think that's part of why I say there's more moves the Patriots have to make at wide receiver and even at running back. I love Trayvon Henderson. I love Ramond Ramandre Stevenson, but they couldn't run the football because their offensive line was so bad.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

So if I'm the Patriots, I go into this and say, what player can I go get either in the draft or free agency that is going to naturally make me a more aggressive play caller. We saw that now, Randy Mosses don't grow on trees, Colin. Right, Right. Hell, there's only been one. He's probably the most remarkable receiver we've ever seen. Yeah, but you saw how much more aggressive McDaniels got when he got Randy and that offense with Tom Brady. So I think they got to go try to find themselves a receiver that they feel like they can be aggressive with. And Drake Mac is. He was the best deep ball thrower in the league this past year. Can really let that thing hunt.

[Jason McIntyre]

You know, it's always. And I rely on guys like you to kind of decipher this. You know, when you see a great defensive coordinator like offense, I can see it. Robert. I can watch an offense with Mike McDaniel and McVay and go, oh, my God, multiple sets, lot of movement. I can see offensive efficiency and coaching Ben Johnson, when he was a coordinator in Detroit for three years, you're like, oh, this guy is a. He is clever.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

Defense is different. So Mike McDonald is doing something that Stafford could figure out but nobody else in the league could. My part of it is Stafford's great and they employ a lot of tight ends. I think the way to beat Seattle is tight ends. That's why I couldn't believe they didn't target Hunter Henry Moore. But what is, what is Mike McDonald do that you see watching and go, okay, that's different.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Yeah, yeah. Well, it's a little column first. I'll say tight ends get us all right? Tight ends can beat anybody in the world, whether it's on or off the field. So now piggybacking off of your. Your point, though? I was with Mike McDonald in Baltimore, so when he was there, the, the thing that I've tried to explain to people over the past two weeks is why do they always get free rushers to the quarterback? Well, if you have a bad offensive line, they're going to pressure you. But even if you don't have a bad offensive line, they found ways to get pressure. And it's because at the line of scrimmage, they allow their safeties and their linebackers and their outside edge rushers to determine who is blitzing based off the turn of the center and based off the call point. How do I know this? Well, my job was to break down protections in Baltimore. My job was to make sure that we were directed the right way and what's the best way to pick up this blitz. That was my, my responsibility as a veteran qb, helping the young guy and Lamar Jackson, you know, be prepared for every single week. So when we go into practice and I'm going against Mike McDonald, all training camp, all off season, I'm, I'm making the mic points and they're changing them at the line of scrimmage and they're not, they're non verbal changes. So it's not like you could say, all right, Mike 43. And then you hear him say, hey, you're blitzing. I'm gonna drop. They just do it automatically. And that's what makes this defense so difficult to defend because you always feel like they're you're playing catch up, you're playing a catch technique on the backside where they're manning up there, or they're zoning it out and they're not afraid to put a big guy on a small receiver because they know they're going to have a free runner at the quarterback. And that's the genius, in my opinion, of Mike McDonald. He trusts his players so much. You have to be a smart player. But he's always going to give them opportunities to get sacks. That's why they got Riley Mills in the middle of defense. A guy who played four games in the regular season and had no sacks. He got a stack against this offensive line and he wasn't a free runner, but it's just like, it's the genius of him. I'm very happy for him and I'm glad that now he can go spend more than 30 minutes with his kid.

[Jason McIntyre]

So am I Host of out of Pocket RG3 podcast love having you on the show. Good seeing you at the our party the other night in the Bay Area and talk soon.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Appreciate you calling. Party was phenomenal.

[Jason McIntyre]

Wasn't bad. Gonna be honest about that. Pretty good. You know, J. Mac, next year, you know, maybe we'll give you an invite the next year. The party's in Los Angeles.

[Colin Cowherd]

I got the invite. I just, I'm not as much of a baller as you. I can't pick up and just go at the drop of a hat to San Francisco. So next year it's in la. I'm making plans already.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yes. All right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Very excited.

[Jason McIntyre]

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[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

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A lot of interaction. Guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you can expect from Stugouts Co. And Stugats Co. Live. So listen to Stugats Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review Stugats Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Colin Cowherd]

What is one thing about love you've had to unlearn? That it's earned, that it needs to be forever for it to count. February is the month of love. Whether you're in a relationship, casually dating, or proudly single, it's a great time to reflect on yourself and what you want. I'm Hope Woodard, host of the Boy Sober podcast, and each week this month we're looking at love from every angle. I don't know how to tell my partner, like, what I want in bed. The thing about romantic fiction, I would say more than any other genre of culture, is that it's always put women first. My marriage stopped making sense. The connection started to feel off. The behavior started to feel different. This February, get in touch with yourself by listening to Boy Sober. That's B o y S o B E R. I'm like, I would love to not hate the man I'm sleeping with. I don't know what that's about. Listen to Boy Sober on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jason McIntyre]

J Mac with the news.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

No no, no, turn on the news.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is the herd line news. Colin, we joked about this. This whole like Tua done in Miami, Kyler done in Arizona. What if they just swapped places? Well, that chatter is starting to come Back up as both of them are looking for trade partners for their quarterback and can't seem to find one. Trading Kyler would create a $34 million cap savings for Arizona. I just don't know where to send him. Only 17.9 million dead cap money. Tua has 3 years remaining.

[Jason McIntyre]

I mean, if you send him somewhere, they've got nice offensive pieces, they score points. What do you have to replace it?

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, if we're talking logically, you and I know Tua can't play cold weather, right? It's just not a cold weather quarterback. Right? You got to find a warm weather team or a dome team. So Minnesota is in a dome in that division.

[Jason McIntyre]

J.J. mcCarthy can't stay healthy. I want Tua.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, that's the thing. J.J. mcCarthy. They're looking for a veteran. Is Tua enough of a veteran?

[Jason McIntyre]

Aaron Rodgers to the Vikings.

[Stugotz]

Please.

[Jason McIntyre]

What do you mean, please?

[Colin Cowherd]

He's so toxic, man. No way.

[Jason McIntyre]

He's not. He wasn't toxic in Pittsburgh.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, that's because he had the job. Now if he comes in as the.

[Jason McIntyre]

Backup to jj, he's not going to back up.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, that's the problem. They put all their eggs in the JJ basket.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

So, any.

[Colin Cowherd]

Anyways, like, what about Kyler Murray? Where could he possibly land? And let's just stop with his jets nonsense. That is a disaster waiting to happen. The jets want to draft high in 27, so forget.

[Jason McIntyre]

I think the jets should spend a fortune.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, yeah. Great GMing by you there, but there's just not a lot of teams that would be.

[Jason McIntyre]

I would take Kyler Murray. He iceberg. No, Michael, I think he's got a lot of talent. I think Kyler Murray's gonna.

[Colin Cowherd]

He throws a great deep ball. That's my favorite line of yours on Kyler Murray. Does he do anything else good besides just sling that lefty?

[Jason McIntyre]

Very elusive.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, look at that. 87 starts, no playoff wins, only has one playoff appearance. Herbert Talit's made the playoffs three times. I just don't see where Kyler's future is. Maybe Arizona just has to stick with him.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

A new coach.

[Colin Cowherd]

Is he gonna want him? It's a weird spot, Colin, for both these two quarterbacks. I just. I don't see the team. Like, Cleveland's not going to kick the tires on these guys, right? You're incentivized.

[Jason McIntyre]

Cleveland's playing. They're paying Deshaun Watson.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Oh, that's right. Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

They're going to go with Shadour, the Pro Bowler. Shador Sanders.

[Colin Cowherd]

Let's move on. After the Shador reference, let's go to Cliff Kingsbury. You're a little lower on him than I am. I, I like Kingsbury. Interesting note. Over the weekend, Cliff Kingsbury joined the Rams coaching staff. Period. Colin, there was no announcement about what his role would be.

[Jason McIntyre]

That's true.

[Colin Cowherd]

What do you think that means? Can you check in with your Rams sources and fuck well, is he going to be the oc? Because he ain't going to call play.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, this is the advantage of Stan Kroenke and great revenue is they'll just bring guys on the staff that the Bengals aren't going to do that and the cheapskates in this league aren't going to do that. But they'll bring Cliff Kingsbury on the staff and help serve a role. And that's why ownership matters in this sport, that they can do stuff like that.

[Colin Cowherd]

The problem is, is Kingsbury went from being the bell of the ball with Jaden Daniels NFC championship.

[Jason McIntyre]

He had problems with the gm.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, so is he. He's not going to call plays on the Rams. This is a massive step backwards. It's something I'm missing something here. Now I know Mike LaFleur left the Rams as the OC to go to the Cardinals.

[Jason McIntyre]

Kingsbury may not initially call plays. There may be an opportunity here for McVay to slowly bring long.

[Colin Cowherd]

Maybe he's a walk around guy and offer input. Is that even a role with, I.

[Jason McIntyre]

Mean Stafford, McVeigh and Stafford, let's be honest, they've got a real symmetry. Do you need to bring in a new guy? I mean McVeigh's calling stuff and Stafford can call his own. And I don't worry about play calling offensively for the runners.

[Colin Cowherd]

Interesting. Someone just said in my ear one of the smart producers, did they hire Kingsbury to keep him away from the Seahawks who were losing Kubiak as their oc?

[Jason McIntyre]

That is good Now, Darnold.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's good. I wish I, I should have never given them credit. I should have just stolen that one as much. That's good. Sam Darnold plus Cliff Kingsbury would be awesome in Seattle. So they stay blocked the Seahawks from getting maybe the best OC on the market in Kingsbury to just hang out in la, hit up the clubs and the bars with. With his buddy Sean McVay. Two handsome young guys.

[Jason McIntyre]

They're married with kids, which just stops.

[Colin Cowherd]

Kingsbury ain't married. He's a wingman right now. Wingman for McVeigh.

[Jason McIntyre]

Oh God, give me a break.

[Colin Cowherd]

Speculation's fun. Anyways, final story.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Colin.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh boy. You know, the staff came to me and.

[Jason McIntyre]

Oh yeah, we got one for you.

[Colin Cowherd]

Chargers. They hired a new guy as their passing game coordinator. It's Adam Gaze. Okay. Yes, that Adam Gaze who didn't quite thrive with Sam Darnold with the Jets. I think this is the first time we've ever announced a passing game coordinator. Higher in Herdline news or maybe on the show. It's just so you could take some shots at the Jets.

[Jason McIntyre]

No, I don't want to take shots.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, really?

[Jason McIntyre]

You don't? Gase has bounced around, but he hasn't had an official title. And here we go.

[Colin Cowherd]

I heard he was cutting hair in Long island this past year. I, I don't. I honestly, I don't know where he's been. Nobody hired him after that. Jets.

[Jason McIntyre]

I don't know where he went exactly.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's out of the league. And now Harbaugh throws him a. A lifeline.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, I mean, again, it's, it's.

[Colin Cowherd]

Here we go with that with the introductory press conference.

[Jason McIntyre]

Stop all the cheap.

[Colin Cowherd]

Just a little awkward here.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, whatever.

[Colin Cowherd]

I tried to write that off as though he's nervous. I'll never forget Peyton Manning was the one who told the jets to go higher.

[Jason McIntyre]

I know.

[Colin Cowherd]

Woody Johnson.

[Jason McIntyre]

That's why I, that's why I bought into jets have kind of a head coaching hire problem.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, maybe if they hit me up and we're like, J. Mac, what do you think they might straighten things out.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, like Jimmy Haslam drafted Johnny Manziel because he listened to a fan. How'd that work out?

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm not a fan, sir. I'm a media member. Card carrying media member.

[Jason McIntyre]

They're not in good stead right now. In America. People don't really like the media. J. Mac with a news. Well, that's the news.

[Colin Cowherd]

And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news.

[Jason McIntyre]

You know, I didn't know. Yesterday, years and years ago, I went to. I took my son to a WWE event. He had a blast. He'd never been. And I said, you got to go to one in your life. Yeah. So it was at Sofi and I took my son to a WWE event and he, I mean, and I said, jackson, you got to lean into it. Like just boo. And he was just up there. It was great. We had an absolutely laugh out loud fun time booing them. And you know, john Cena, you stink. And it was great. And my son about halfway through goes, hey, dad, there's Bad Bunny. And I'm like, I don't even know what that means. And so he's like, he's very, very popular. You know, it's out of my demo. I'm like, oh, okay, great. I didn't think anything of it. And then I heard he was coming to the super bowl, so I don't really know anything about Bad Bunny. I would say this. He's not. It's more of a vibe thing than a singing thing. Like, I didn't listen to his voice and go, oh, my. Oh, it's unbelievable. It was kind of a. He's kind of a vibe guy, right? Like, I. I didn't know, like, other people were singing. It was. It was like a Broadway play. It wasn't a singing thing. So is that normal or does he have some great voice? Because it just felt like I had no idea what to expect. And my take was usually they go get like a great singer, a band, or, you know, it used.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's kind of boring, though. I think Bad Bunny's performance was incredible. I. I enjoyed it. It was like a story. 20 minute story.

[Jason McIntyre]

That was cool.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I like that.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. A lot of people, you know this country, very divisive.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Very.

[Jason McIntyre]

Really?

[Colin Cowherd]

Is that happening to divided countries?

[Jason McIntyre]

At halftime, I went and eight. We were all. Why? We went in eight. And we were talking about the game and if Sam Darnold needed chip blocks to get better pass protection. I don't really watch. I mean, I watch it, but I generally like to watch with only two or three. I don't watch by myself, but I like to watch in small groups because I don't want you to talk to me during the game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

And so at halftime is my time to break down analytically the game.

[Colin Cowherd]

And I was watching much to break down, my friend. The Patriots had 51 yards of offense. Did you see that? Second fewest yards ever in a Super bowl in the first half. And the fewest was the Chiefs last year with 23. I'm telling you, this whole defensive shift in the league, it's a thing.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, by the way, what happened to the Chiefs last year, o line issues. What happened to the Patriots this year o line issues? What happens is we have more strong, twitchy, fast athletes than ever before in all our sports. And some play offense, some play defense. What has happened? And I. And I'm a. I. I'll die on this hill. One of the issues in the NFL is the deterioration of practice, is that you can't hit in practice as much anymore. The new CBA and the one unit it's hurt is O line because O lines are chemistry units. You know, a lot of times a defensive line, Max Crosby's out there doing his thing, baby, and he is rushing. You don't have to be a string playing together. Even though all football is complementary football. But online play is determining outcomes and it stinks everywhere. And the reason it stinks is a lot of these college teams are spreading it out. There's not a lot of road grading Michigan football.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Jason McIntyre]

Like, like, like Miami's offensive line this year was power. They'll run the football. They'll get big 10o lines, Iowa's Michigan. They, it's physical. They're not big 12. Spread it out. And the second thing is in the NFL you can't hit anymore. Offensive lines need more practice time. They have regret. I never talked old lines, ever talking football. And then like eight, 10 years ago, it's like they're getting bad. I mean if I say to you good old line, you can name them right off top of your head.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

Because they're so few. Like Denver, you know. Oh, that's a good Philadelphia. You can. Detroit was not many faded.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, Detroit in the middle. I, I, I think this draft there's like four or five that should go in the first.

[Jason McIntyre]

Very good.

[Colin Cowherd]

Here's the thing like it. It's a lot of good teams that need these tackles and they're drafting later. You need depth as the Chargers showed. Chargers are going to have two guys coming back. I would get another if I'm the Chargers.

[Jason McIntyre]

So would I if I was the Chargers. My first pick and I move up to do it. I would get another tackle. The kid from Miami. You can move inside or outside.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's going to go top 10.

[Jason McIntyre]

You can get top 10.

[Colin Cowherd]

What about the wide receiver to the Chargers with McDaniel and no lad McConkey.

[Jason McIntyre]

Quinton Johnson, I think Trey Harris. Quentin Johnson. Lad McConkey. I would like, I would like another tight end and you're on a tight.

[Colin Cowherd]

End kick these days.

[Jason McIntyre]

I like tight ends. Well, yeah. New England didn't throw to Hunter Henry. I just could not figure it out. Like guys, you're not going to do the. I mean the Seattle's corners and safeties are too good. You're not going to riddle them.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

Stefan Diggs was not going to have. I don't even know what his over under was. He was not going to have a big game. Yeah, they just took him out of the game. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. All right, two truths in a lie. Here we go. I went to college with college football coach Jim McElwaine, I began my broadcasting career doing play by play for the Las Vegas Stars, and I've been a Verizon customer for 15 years. Okay, I lied. All three are true. Verizon isn't as expensive as you think. In fact, if you bring in your ATT or T mobile bill to a Verizon store, they'll give you a better deal. That's right, a better deal on the best network with the most ways to save on plans, streaming and phone deals. So take that AT and T or T Mobile bill to your local Verizon store today. Get a better deal and start saving based on root metrics. Best Overall Mobile Network Performance U.S. 2nd Half 2025 All Rights Reserve must provide recent consumer mobile bill in the name of the person redeeming the deal. Additional terms, conditions and restrictions apply. Support for the show comes from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On Public you can build a multi asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto and now generated assets which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index with AI. It all starts with your prompt. From renewable energy companies with high free cash flow to semiconductor suppliers growing revenue over 20% year over year, you can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work. It screens thousands of stocks, builds a one of a kind index and lets you back test it against the S&P 500. Then you can invest in a few clicks. Generated assets are like ETFs with infinite possibilities, completely customizable and based on your thesis, not someone else's. Go to public.com podcast and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your bottom portfolio. That's public.com podcast paid for by Public Investing Brokerage Services by Open to the Public Investing Inc. Member FINRA and SIPC Advisory Services by Public Advisors llc. SEC Registered Advisor Generated Assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice. Complete Disclosures available at public.comdisclosures.

[Stugotz]

Stugatz here I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow and I have brought it here to Ivar. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stugac company Live which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports, a lot of phone calls.

[Jason McIntyre]

I love you guys show.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

It's one of my favorites.

[Stugotz]

A lot of interaction, guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you could expect from Stugouts Co. And Stugouts Co. Live. So listen to Stegotson Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review Stugots Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Colin Cowherd]

What is one thing about love you've had to unlearn? That it's earned, that it needs to be forever for it to count. February is the month of love. Whether you're in a relationship, casually dating, or proudly single, it's a great time to reflect on yourself and what you want. I'm Hope Woodard, host of the Voiceover podcast, and each week this month we're looking at love from every angle. I don't know how to tell my partner, like, what I want in bed. The thing about romantic fiction, I would say more than any other genre of culture, is that it's always put women first. My marriage stopped making sense. The connection started to feel off. The behavior started to feel different. This February, get in touch with yourself by listening to Boyce over. That's B O y so b. I'm like, I would love to not hate the man I'm sleeping with. I don't know what that's about. Listen to Boy Sober on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jason McIntyre]

Segregation in the day, integration at night.

[Colin Cowherd]

When segregation was the law, one mysterious.

[Jason McIntyre]

Black club owner had his own rules.

[Colin Cowherd]

We didn't worry about what was going on outside.

[Jason McIntyre]

It was like stepping in another world.

[Colin Cowherd]

Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

You saw the kkk.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. They was dressed up in their uniform.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here.

[Jason McIntyre]

Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him. From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit.

[Colin Cowherd]

Myrtle beach comes Charlie's Place, a story that was nearly lost to time until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jason McIntyre]

Tomorrow we're gonna do six up and six down. Six NFL teams I think, will be noticeably better next year. Six teams that I think fall off. We know there's at least four new playoff teams in the NFL every Year. Listen, we. Seattle's obviously a great team and the two best teams in football at the end of the year were Seahawks, Rams. You got to feel pretty good about yourself if you're the Chicago Bears because the Rams basically played a perfect game and you took them to overtime in Chicago. Bears fan this morning. I feel really good about him, really good about the Chicago Bears. But the New England Matt Hasselbeck was on earlier, I didn't like their game plan. I thought it was too conservative. I think there is a way to attack Seattle and they didn't do it. And here was Matt Hasselbeck. We need to really start talking about this defense with the great defenses of.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

All time, like the great defense.

[Stugotz]

And we don't. I'm not sure why we need to. So if you're playing, if you're mismatched with a great defense of a historical.

[Jason McIntyre]

Of, of a historic nature, you got.

[Stugotz]

To pull out the trick plays, man.

[Jason McIntyre]

Like you got to. You got to steal one.

[Stugotz]

You got to manufacture something exotic.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. And they didn't very conservative, I thought their opening series, couple of swing passes, get the ball out. But I mean, when you go into a game and you know, and New England did know, when you know the left side of your offensive line is going to get worked, you got to roll that pocket right. You got to do three step tight end backs. And the other thing I like the defensive game plan by New England which was be hyper aggressive jump routes, try to speed Sam Darnold into a mistake. Now, Sam had a great playoff run. It's remarkable. Darnold, five touchdowns, 700 yards, no turnovers, 100 passer rating. He had it. And again, you're talking the Patriots defense, the Rams defense. I mean, New England and Drake May's offense faced very good defenses in the AFC playoffs and the super bowl and didn't and looked awful. Well, it's not like Darnold face cupcakes in the NFC playoffs in New England. It's not like they didn't play great defenses. New England's got a great defense. Rams have a great defense. Sam Darnold never had a turnover. So I mean, I know this is hard for people to stomach, but right now Darnold's a better quarterback than Drake May because he can play at a faster pace and not make the mistakes. And Drake was just turnover prone. Yes, they played good defenses, so did Darnold. So it's not like Darnold hasn't played. If you just take out one team, the Rams, over the last couple years, Darnold's numbers are insane. They're already excellent. But Drake held onto the ball. And I think a lot of times quarterbacks hold onto the ball because they don't know what they're seeing. They don't know what they're seeing. Forget the why. They don't know what they're seeing. That. That right there's a bad pick. So I don't think. I think New England will address its offensive line, but I think Kansas City is better next year. Baltimore is better next year. Buffalo could be better. Cincinnati could be better. The Chargers, J. Mac and I are on this. I think the Chargers are going to make a jump next year. I think it's amazing they got to the playoffs. But Drake may just. He's got a way to go. And this is Matt Hasselback.

[Stugotz]

Earlier, he did not look healthy to me. You know, that was one thing, you know, like, he looked. He looked okay. He looked good, pretty good, you know.

[Colin Cowherd]

In terms of his fastball and stuff like that.

[Stugotz]

He had some great throws, but I just didn't think he was. Look, he looked like he was in that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Like, hey, I'm.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

I'm feeling my best. I don't think that.

[Stugotz]

I also think that pass protection was a real issue early on.

[Colin Cowherd]

It was a huge issue.

[Stugotz]

I didn't love how they didn't feel like an aggressive enough game plan.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

And when they went aggressive, now he's.

[Stugotz]

Holding on the ball and putting the.

[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

Putting the offensive line in a tough spot.

[Stugotz]

Like, I don't think they're going to watch the film and feel really good about it.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, I agree with that. And Matt's not somebody that just hammers coaches to hammer coaches. But it was J. Mac victory lap for you. Victory lap Monday for Jason McIntyre. You said you. You came out and said, I don't know if New England's gonna score.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I felt great about that. 12 nothing, third quarter. Come on. I was waiting for the text from Cowherd. He must have been on like his sixth margarita. No, that point. I mean, listen, it was. I was hoping for the shutout because we've never seen a Super bowl shutout. Right?

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, they started talking about it on air.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

Didn't somebody start talking about it one of the broadcast?

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, hell, the Steel Seahawks kicker was in the mix to win the mvp. That was the kind of game it was.

[Jason McIntyre]

You know, again, RG3 pointed this out. Seattle took the points.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. Nothing wrong with taking points.

[Jason McIntyre]

It takes pressure off Sam Darnold. You don't want to get to the second quarter and it's seven nothing and you failed. But you know the analytics say take when you're facing in a high pressure game a great defense and those were two great defenses. Take the points. Seattle had the fourth fewest fourth down attempts this year and just hoisted a trophy. Fourth fewest. Why? Because they have a great defense, great special teams. They don't need big risk.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Jason McIntyre]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Jason McIntyre]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[RG3 (Robert Griffin III)]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Didn'T we learn that the folding chair was invented by black people because of.

[Jason McIntyre]

What happened in Alabama? Montgomery Bra this Black History Month, the.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Jason McIntyre]

And conversations that shake the status quo.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Jason McIntyre]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Stugotz]

You get your podcast Stigatz here. I have a podcast empire that I have brought here to iheart and I'm also hosting a daily live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern called Stegazon Company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. You can expect a lot of laughter, great guests, a ton of calls, and a lot of fun. Listen to Stewgots Co. Live and our original podcast, Stew Gotts Co. And God bless Football. And you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Colin Cowherd]

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