THE HERD - Hour 3 - More on the start of March Madness, NFL news including thoughts on Kyler Murray

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 3

iHeartPodcasts & The Volume
Date: March 16, 2026

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Episode Overview

Hour 3 of The Herd dives deep into the start of March Madness and pressing NFL news. With Jason McIntyre sitting in for Colin, the episode features lively analysis on college basketball’s tournament field with special guest Casey Jacobson and an in-depth NFL segment with insider James Palmer. They break down sleeper teams, controversial seeding, NBA hot topics, player trades, and the evolving quarterback scene.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. March Madness Breakdown with Casey Jacobson

• Guest: Casey Jacobson, Fox College Basketball Analyst and former Stanford standout
• Host: Jason McIntyre

[02:59] - [12:05]

Nostalgia & Atmosphere

• Jason reveals his “March Madness nerd” status, sharing stories about taping “One Shining Moment.”
• Casey replies, “I am just as much, maybe even more of a nerd than you are. I got my glasses ready.” [03:34]

St. John’s Snub and UConn’s Outlook

• St. John’s wins the Big East tourney but gets seeded lower than UConn.
  • “They went 0–4 against ranked teams in the nonconference...with only two total ranked wins on the season, that’s why they are at a five line now.” — Casey [04:18]
• UConn’s inconsistency discussed; possible second-round exit predicted.
  • Injuries (Silas Demery Jr.) flagged as a critical risk.
  • “Their backcourt just has not been solid.” — Casey [06:20]

Duke’s Health and Depth

• Loss of Caleb Foster (PG) and Patrick Gangba (center) presents challenges.
  • Cam Boozer spotlighted: “Cam Boozer is a winner...two-time national player of the year in high school, four-time state champ in Florida...” — Casey [08:36]
  • Casey pushes back against comparing Boozer to Jokic, but lauds JMac’s “crazy takes.” [09:16]
  • Casey still hesitant to pick Duke for Final Four, but warns: “If you want to doubt him...do it at your own peril.” [09:52]

Arkansas & Darius Acuff’s Star Power

• Darius Acuff likened to Derrick Rose and John Wall but seen as even more dominant at the college level.
  • “Statistically, this is the best guard that John Calipari has ever had. And I think by a significant margin.” — Casey [11:04]
• Can he carry Arkansas to the Final Four?
  • “Do I think...can make a Final Four? Absolutely. Do I think that they can win a national title? They have not shown that consistency.” — Casey [11:30]

2. Tournament Deep Cuts: Final Four Formulas & Team Profiles

• Purdue:

  • Labeled as lacking defensive efficiency; not a Final Four pick for Casey.
  • Braden Smith praised: “He’s one assist away from becoming the all-time leading assist guy in college basketball history.” [17:08]

• Illinois:

  • Offensive firepower spotlighted but defensive inconsistency is a concern.
  • Keaton Wagler, once a redshirt candidate, becomes leading scorer. [18:53]
  • “They love threes. And when they miss them, they’re one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the country.” — Casey [18:53]

• Arizona:

  • Jason picks them to win it; Casey has them losing to Michigan in the Final Four.
  • Remarkable for relying on inside game and starting three freshmen. Historic rarity, only seen with 2012 Kentucky.
  • “If Arizona cuts down the nets, they will do something only one other team...has done.” — Casey [22:28]

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3. NBA Talk: Playoff Jockeying & Soundbites

• Paul Skenes' MLB Momentum

  • Emotional connection with his Air Force roots. [23:19]

• Fred Van Vliet Takes Shot at Spurs Hype

  • “We were better than them the last two years, correct? Have they had a playoff series? ...Everybody slow the down. It’s a marathon, not a sprint.” — Fred Van Vliet [25:23]
  • Jason calls out Van Vliet for trash talk despite not playing: “Don’t you love when guys in street clothes are talking trash?” [26:35]

• Knicks’ Slow Starts & Coach Mike Brown’s Frustration

  • Brown refused Defensive Player of the Game honors post-win: “Shouldn’t have to call two timeouts in the first six minutes of the ball game.” — Mike Brown [27:06]
  • Jason: “You can’t start playoff games, you know, double digits behind.” [28:04]

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4. NFL Segment: Offseason Rumors, Trades, and QB Drama

• Guest: James Palmer, Bleacher Report NFL Insider

[32:55] - [41:59]

Rams "All-In" for Super Bowl

• Jason probes the likelihood of a Stafford-McVay “last dance.”

  • “It does look like they’re all in from the moves that Les Snead has made. And why wouldn’t he play the game this way?” — James Palmer [34:47]
  • Addition of top corners like Trent McDuffie seen as massive upgrades.

• A.J. Brown Trade Rumors

  • Palmer skeptical about the logistics of an A.J. Brown addition for the Rams: “It really is focused around one receiver...if they were going to move to A.J. Brown, somebody has to be the odd man out and it’s not going to be Puka.” [35:13]
  • Explains why trade timing (post–June 1) matters for Eagles’ cap and draft strategy.

• Kyler Murray Joins Vikings:

  • Kyler seen as a “reclamation project” with high upside for Minnesota.
  • McCarthy’s future now uncertain—Kyler likely enters as favorite to start, not a real open competition.
  • “When you’re bringing in a former Heisman winner, former number one overall pick...I don’t see it much as like a competition.” — James Palmer [40:16]
  • Key challenge: Kyler must adapt to timing offense built for Justin Jefferson.

• Justin Fields to Chiefs

  • Not a “nothing burger”—Fields will get crucial offseason reps while Mahomes recovers. [41:31]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Casey Jacobson on his “One Shining Moment” obsession:
  • “I was so excited to be on One Shining Moment twice. ...That’s like, OK, I know I’m actually a good basketball player if I’m on One Shining Moment.” [03:34]
• Jason on “crazy” comparison of Cam Boozer to Jokic:
  • “The Jokic take was only a little crazy.” [09:58]
• Casey on Darius Acuff:
  • “Statistically, this is the best guard that John Calipari has ever had. And I think by a significant margin.” [11:04]
• Fred Van Vliet stirring the pot:
  • “Everybody slow the down. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. Wemby’s an alien...but what’s the finish line though?” [25:23]
• James Palmer on Rams’ approach:
  • “They built this team really through the draft...those bills are coming due after 26 here, and so...maybe your last hurrah with Matthew Stafford.” [34:55]

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Timestamps of Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | Details | |-----------|---------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------| | 02:59 | March Madness intro w/ Casey Jacobson | Casey & Jason geek out, St. John's/UConn seed debate | | 07:08 | Duke’s injuries, Boozer’s impact | Concerns about their deep tourney run | | 10:21 | Arkansas & Darius Acuff discussion | Calipari’s best college point guard? | | 16:37 | Purdue, Illinois, Arizona breakdowns | Final Four “formulas,” sleepers & busts | | 23:00 | MLB note: Paul Skenes | Air Force pride, All-Star intensity | | 25:23 | Fred Van Vliet on Spurs/Rockets | “Marathon, not a sprint” quote | | 27:06 | Knicks, Mike Brown’s DPOG snub | Slow starts, playoff implications | | 32:55 | James Palmer joins for NFL segment | Rams “All-In,” A.J. Brown, Kyler Murray, Fields news | | 38:35 | Kyler Murray to Vikings analysis | QB competition, McCarthy’s uncertain future | | 41:31 | Justin Fields’ new role in KC | Backup or more for the Chiefs? |

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Episode Tone & Style

• Spirited, conversational, and heavy on stats/opinion
• Jason brings self-deprecation and energetic debate
• Casey is analytical but enthusiastically playful
• NFL talk is precise, rumor-informed, and insider-y

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Summary

Hour 3 of The Herd offered a packed, insightful crossover between March Madness fervor and NFL offseason intrigue. Casey Jacobson gave a sharp, stats-based assessment of the turbulent tournament field, favoring teams with defensive pedigree and highlighting the underappreciated risks for favorites like UConn and Purdue. The show spotlighted star power (Cam Boozer, Darius Acuff) and NCAA trends, then pivoted to NBA news and NFL transactions. James Palmer brought clarity on the Rams’ “Super Bowl or bust” window, questioned the realism of A.J. Brown trade rumors, and forecasted Kyler Murray’s likely ascendance in Minnesota, potentially sidelining J.J. McCarthy. Spirited, debate-driven, and rich in both college hoops and NFL context, the segment is essential listening for fans gearing up for college basketball’s madness and tracking the latest twists in NFL rosters.

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[Casey Jacobson]

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[Jason McIntyre]

Back here on the Herd. Longtime listeners know that I geek out about March Madness. I just, I'm the kind of nerd who would record on a VHS1 Shining Moment and then play it back in the days afterward. This was like back in the day before YouTube was everything and my girlfriend, now wife, would just mock me. Like, why do you like this song so much? And it's guys like Casey Jacobs and the make me love it. Let's welcome in Fox college basketball analyst Casey Jacobson, who was on some damn good Stanford teams. First team all American with the Collins Twins. Casey, are you as excited for this month as I am?

[Casey Jacobson]

I am just as much, maybe even more of a nerd than you are. I got my glasses ready. You mentioned the one Shiny moment thing, J. Mac. Like, honestly, I was so excited to be on One Shiny Moment twice. I was high school. You can find it on YouTube if you want to. I'm now like a half of a second in two different years and that is to me like a big deal. That's like, okay, I know I'm actually a good basketball player if I'm on 110 moments.

[Jason McIntyre]

So did you. Was that when you had the frosted tips? I think I feel like you had those. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[Casey Jacobson]

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[Jason McIntyre]

All right. Obviously you were just in the garden for the Big east tournament. St. John's impressive. Riddle me this, Casey. St. John's wins the big east, wins the Big east tournament and gets a much lower seed than Yukon. Like, what the hell's going on there?

[Casey Jacobson]

Well, St. John's fans know what I'm about to say. They went 04 against ranked teams in the non conference and this was a St. John's teams that preseason was ranked fifth in the country, right? Rick Pitino, they bring back Zubi. Edgeforce had a fantastic year by the way. Shout out to Zubi, total stud. They brought in one of the top transfer classes in the country, J. Mac. So everybody was riding high. Like what's Rick Pitino going to do with all these new shiny pieces? And it was a slow burn. Like they just weren't tied together in the first couple months of the season. Now they got their act together. Of course they they win their second outright regular season championship in the Big east including you know, splitting Games with with UConn. So they did kind of right the ship a little bit. But with only two total ranked wins on the season, that's why they are at a five line now.

[Jason McIntyre]

It looks like they're out in San Diego. That is not a fun trip for, for the Johnny's also having to travel a little bit. Is Yukon down to Philadelphia your thoughts on UConn? I don't know. I'm seeing some final four sneakiness out of them but I also can see boom bust like they could lose maybe in the second round. Furman will not be easy. I don't think in the first one.

[Casey Jacobson]

No, Furman won't be easy but I do have them moving on in a potential second round matchup with UCLA and in my own personal bracket. I don't know if Danny Hurley is watching this. If he is, he's going to like show it to all his guys and use it as motivation. J. Mac, our conversation about UConn but I do have them losing in the second round. You know their last, I believe it's their last 11 games. They are, I believe it's seven and four in their last. They have not closed the season as well as they want to, including losing at home to a Creighton team that's been struggled all season. They lost at Marquette. Marquette, you know, was was really bad for, for Marquette Sanders this year. So like the end of the year you're like wondering is this team hitting their stride or are they kind of, you know, maybe cratering a little bit. Terrence Reed Jr. Is their centerpiece down low. My favorite version of UConn J. Mac is when they play through him, get him some post touches because they're perimeter guys who like to shoot. Braylon Mullins, freshman three point shooter Alex Caravan's been around college basketball forever and the most winning UConn player in the history of their program solo ball. Those guys like to shoot but they have been wildly inconsistent. Their backcourt just has not been solid. Silas Demery Jr. Their point guard Jmar, I think you know this. He left the championship game early against St. John's we believe he will be healthy to come back but. But just keep an eye on that. He's very important to what they do. It's just when you compare UConn to what they were in the non conference what we expect them to be. They didn't finish the season amongst the best top eight or team 10 teams in the Country.

[Jason McIntyre]

Totally agree. I guess it's just the championship DNA, right? And last year they pushed Florida. Hell, they nearly beat Florida, which was the eventual champs. Speaking of injuries, let's go to Duke. Casey, obviously losing. Caleb Foster, big blow, point guard. More a steadying force than a superstar. I saw him out here in his senior year in high school. That guy's a good player. I mean, the fact that he's only averaging like 8 points is crazy. But now Boozer's brother steps into that role. He showed well at the ACC tournament, but it's the center that leaves a lot to be desired. I mean, down two starters, I don't think they're Final Four material, but sounds like he might be back.

[Casey Jacobson]

Yeah, you're talking about Patrick Gangba, who's a double digit scorer for them and a really good shot blocker, rim protector. And when you combine him with Cam Boozer down low. J. Mac, Duke's defense was, if not the best, the second best behind Michigan. Those are the two best defensive teams I've seen all year. Maybe throw Arizona in that mix as well. It's really hard to score at the rim against Duke, so hopefully they will have Gangba back in the lineup. You mentioned Caleb Foster. Like you need backcourt players, right? To perform, you need them to handle the ball. Cam Boozer can't do it all on his own. Although sometimes it feels like he does do it all on his own. You mentioned Kaden Boozer Back to back. 16 point performances for Kaden Boozer in the ACC tournament semifinals and the championship game. That's big time. So when I was filling out my bracket, I was like, yeah, is Duke good? Like, can Cam Boozer really just take this team on his shoulders and drag them to a Final Four? Even missing a starter or not being completely healthy. And the answer is, J. Mac, I cannot doubt this young man. Kam Boozer is the real deal. I was watching your show today. You were talking about him and comparing him to Jokic. That's a little bit crazy. But, you know. But J. Mac, you're a little bit crazy is one of the reasons why I love you so much and why I enjoy having conversations with you. Cam Boozer is a winner. And I know that sometimes a cop out. A lot of people, we describe people as winners when they don't have stats. Like, this guy's just a winner. Don't look at his numbers. Cam Boozer has stats and he's a winner. Two time national player of the Year in high school, four time state championship player out of the State of Florida, three time AAU national championship player at the Nike level. He's won a gold medal at usa. I mean, Jamie, need I go on? If you want to doubt him in this field, go ahead and do it at your own peril. I do think he will eventually run into maybe a Houston team, an Illinois team, that might stop them from getting to the national championship. But I'm looking at the east bracket. I know it's difficult, but I cannot doubt Cam Boozer and his ability to do everything that is asked of him.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, it's going to be tough. So the Jokic take was only a little crazy. Well, let's. Let's go to Arkansas and their Calipari stud point guard, Darius Acuff. I mean, listen, again, we're not going overboard here. The guy's delivered, he's been incredible. And people are saying, like, is this kid Derrick Rose? Can he be better than John Wall? I mean, you saw him in the SEC tournament. Nobody can stop this guy.

[Casey Jacobson]

No. So you're asking like, Derrick Rose better than John Wall? He is way better as a college basketball player. Now, I know Derrick Rose won an NBA mvp and I know John Wallace had a fantastic NBA career as well. But strictly speaking, college basketball. Darius Acuff averages 23 points and almost seven assists. He dropped 49 points in a double overtime at Bama. If you don't know what I'm talking about, go on YouTube after our interview, of course, and look at what he did. Derrick Rose was a 15 point per game scorer at Memphis. They played the national title game that year. John Wall was a 17 point per game performer at Kentucky. So statistically, this is the best guard that John Calipari has ever had. And I think by a significant margin.

[Jason McIntyre]

Wow. I mean, Tyrese Maxey, Devin, book on that list, dear. And Fox was tremendous. I mean, listen, Akov can't shoot it like you could, but some of the stuff he's doing with the sidestep threes, like that looks like James Harden level. But here's my question. You're old enough to remember Danny Manning and the Miracles. We haven't seen one guy, I guess maybe Kemba Walker, just carry a team to the title. Is this guy capable of taking Arkansas to the Final Four? Is he that good?

[Casey Jacobson]

Yeah. I mean, so you said to the title and into the Final Four. You and I both know that, like, there's a lot of, I think, really good players and good, not great teams that can make a Final Four. There's not a lot of one man shows that can win a national title because when you get to the Final Four, J. Mac, you still got two more games to play and you're going to be playing them against, like, teams that have multiple NBA players and hall of Fame coaches. So do I think that Darius Acuff in Arkansas can make a Final Four? Absolutely. Do I think that they can win a national title? They have not shown that. They have not shown that consistency throughout the season.

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get sucked into the whole. Oh, Championship week. This team looked incredible. I'm going to bet them you know Purdue's interesting. The last time they won the Big Ten tournament they went out and lost in the first round as a one and I just, I wondered. I know those three seniors wanted to go all in, win the Big Ten. They take down Michigan yesterday. Casey, I have some reservations about this team. They do not have the size. I know the big kid is good but they don't have a ton of size. We saw them get exposed during the regular season. Where are you on like a Purdue for a potential March run?

[Casey Jacobson]

I do not have Purdue making my. I think I haven't losing in the sweet 16 or even the second round. And I think if you got some Purdue fans on your show. J. Mac apprehensive about their group too. I don't have size. They do have size. They have Daniel Jacobson who's 7 4. Oscar Clough. Yeah. And they have Trey Kaufman, Wren. What is the issue for Purdue is defense. They have ranked in around like 50 to 60 in defensive efficiency nationally. That is not good enough. That's just not good enough to be consistent to make a final four. In fact I have a little final four formula or national championship formula. And there's a threshold defensively that you have to be. Purdue is slow footed almost to a man, you know and this is a little bit generous I think. Let's tip our cap though to Braden Smith. You haven't mentioned him. He's one assist away from becoming the all time leading assist guy in college basketball history. That is pretty incredible. And he's, he's done it in four years. I know there's a lot of like extra Covid year guys that are, that are breaking records, you know, getting that fifth year, sometimes even a six year. Braden Smith, a four year player about to break Bobby Hurley's record when he was at Duke. That, that's pretty remarkable. So this team has experience, they have Braden Smith but man when they meet teams like Illinois, Iowa State, they've. They've gotten exposed.

[Jason McIntyre]

Speaking of Illinois, I put them in the final four. That got the most hate so far. You have Houston, Illinois. I don't think their defense meets the threshold that you have. But offensively man, they're going to be able to hang with anybody because of offense. Problem is as you saw against Wisconsin they could go up 15 and blow the lead instantly because they don't play any defense.

[Casey Jacobson]

Yeah. So yeah, I mean that's an exaggeration. Any defense the Illinois certainly better defensively than Purdue. But I hear what you're saying interestingly, I don't know if you know this J. Mac. But about halfway through the year, their head coach, Brad Underwood, kind of changed their defensive philosophy. They used to be a team that wanted to take away threes. Like, no, you can't even attempt threes. And they were getting exposed at the rim. They flip flopped and said, we're going to pack the paint, we're going to protect the rim, we're going to make it hard for people to finish around the basket and we're going to allow threes. And their defensive numbers have gone up and I'm watching some highlights in front of me. J. Mac, this team offensively has all the weapons you need. They'll put five guys on the floor, including their centers and their power forwards that can shoot threes. They love threes. And when and when they miss them, they're one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the country. But one guy we haven't talked about is Keaton Wagler. This guy was a three star prospect out of high school. He was possibly going to redshirt J. Mac. He's 6, 6, 180 pounds. So really skinny. But so like there was questions, hey, is he going to Red Shirt and Kyle Boswell is going to be like the senior point guard. And almost week one of practice, Brad Underwood was like, no, no, no. This guy, Red Shirt, he's going to be one of our best players. Leads them in scoring 18 points a game, shoots 40% from three. And he's just smooth. You put him in pick and rolls. He's a really good passer because you can see over the defense and he's got deep range.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, so they have stock of it too. I don't know, something like Underwood, you know, tough coach. Something happened with Striakovic mid season. You know, there was chatter that, you know, maybe he was going to end up transferring again. They got the offensive pieces. I just, I don't know if every. It doesn't seem like everybody's thrilled there because they have so much talent. It was fair assessment.

[Casey Jacobson]

Kind of like I would just say, you know, they have so much talent and they have so much expectations that what you're saying is there are weeks at a time where three guys are playing well and three guys are kind of in the tank with their head down. That's kind of normal though. I would say, Jamie, that's normal. I mean, like Houston goes through some of that, Arizona goes through some of that. Where there's, you know, Braden Burries is on a hot streak and other guys aren't getting shots that just Happens on talented teams.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, we'll wrap up Casey with the Arizona Wildcats. My pick to win it. You have Michigan just. I speculated earlier they could have five guys, their whole starting lineup drafted. Four maybe in the first round. I had Fran Frischello on my podcast. He said that Braden Burry reminds him of sga. I mean, KOA Pete is totally an amazing power forward. They're loaded, man. How are you not taking Arizona to win it, Casey?

[Casey Jacobson]

Yeah, well, so I have him going to the Final Four, losing to Michigan. He's just like, I think just Michigan has an extra gear that even Arizona and Duke don't have. So I'll just leave it at that. But I do want to talk about Arizona because, J. Mac, I am fascinated by this Arizona Wildcat team because of how they are winning. There's two things I want to point out. Arizona ranks 358th in the country in three point attempts per game. That's like bottom 10 in America. They only average 16 three point attempts per game, yet they continue to beat the best teams in the country. They beat Florida first game of the season, and they only made two threes. They beat UConn on the road, only made two threes. And they beat Houston at Houston and only made three threes. Tell me how that makes sense to anybody in 2026 basketball, you're beating teams at that caliber and you don't need the three. And then the second thing that fascinates me, they're three freshmen. You mentioned there's been only one team in the history of college basketball that has started three freshmen and won a national title. The 2012 Kentucky Wildcats, led by Anthony Davis. So if Arizona cuts down the nets, they will do something that only one other team in the history of college basketball has done.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, Casey Jacobson. Great stuff. Legendary college basketball player. Enjoy the tournament. Thanks for the analysis, Casey.

[Casey Jacobson]

Thanks, J. Mac. Good to be with you.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, Great stuff. Fox college basketball analyst Casey Jacobson. All right, let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news.

[Casey Jacobson]

No, no, no.

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Heard on the news.

[Casey Jacobson]

This is the Herd line news.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

All right, Jason, we've been talking about it all show. Paul Skeens put together a gem last night. Just one run going into the fifth inning. Remember, Skeens started his collegiate career at the Air Force Academy. And after that game, he told Ken Rosenthal about a conversation he had with one of his former teammates.

[Casey Jacobson]

I got a text from one of my teammates at Air Force who's. I don't know where he's stationed right now, but he said he was gonna wake up at 3 to watch the 3am to watch the game. And puts it into perspective. It's heavy stuff for us playing a game against a bunch of people that we know and we played all the time. It's heavy. And so it's just an absolute honor to be able to do it.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Jason. I love seeing these guys so into this. We talked earlier in the show just about how many All Stars are in these games and just the players are making it important. I have another outside theory, though, about why this is so fun.

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Okay.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Is that there hasn't been baseball in the Olympics in 17 years. Oh, we're going to get it back as a demonstration sport in L. A in 28. But for. For nearly two decades, especially for these Latin, you know, baseball crazy countries, there's been no international stage to compete on. I think this feels so. I mean, there's a reason that crowd last night was 70% Dominican and 30.

[Jason McIntyre]

70.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

That's my guess.

[Umar/Wilmer Valderrama]

Okay.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

On TV.

[Umar/Wilmer Valderrama]

But.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, but I think that's a huge part of this and it's only going to get bigger. How do you like my theory?

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, I think that's good. I mean, I think you're probably spot on. I forgot it's been that long for baseball.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Olympics. Yeah. Almost two decades. I don't know. By the way, also, Paul Skeens, I'm very pleased to see him. I mean, the Pirates have been giving him no help.

[Jason McIntyre]

Where's his next contract? Where's he playing?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I don't know, man. He's not going to win. You talk about, you talk about Aaron Judge not winning a World Series with the Yankees. He's that, you know, he is a

[Jason McIntyre]

Dodgers, Yankees bidding war.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

He's got a 1.96 ERA over the last two seasons, which is by far the best in the league. Not even close to anyone else. And they have the least amount of wins over that same span.

[Jason McIntyre]

And he's a young guy, like mid-20s, right?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah. I don't know. All right. NBA. Fred Van Vliet hasn't played for the Rockets all season, Jason, but he is still repping his team. He's heard all the attention that the spurs and Wemby have been getting. People saying they could already win a title as opposed to Houston. Great. He does not like it. Take a listen.

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We were better than them the last two years. Correct. Have they had a playoff series?

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[Levar Arrington]

Okay, so everybody slow the down. It's a marathon. It's not a sprint. Wemby's an alien. Castle's a really good player. Harper looks like a really good player. Actually played with his brother in Toronto. So, like, yeah, I like their team. They got, but like, Fox was a great addition. They rolling, they're having a good year. But like, what's the finish line though?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

What I, I really like. Right. Bet on yourself, the whole thing.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

This is crazy talk, right?

[Jason McIntyre]

Come on, man, that's dis. You know, the Rockets were my pick. I had Rockets nicked in the finals. Van Vliet gets hurt like a week after I had that dumb prediction. And now to hear Van Vliet say this nonsense.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

The Rockets, by the way, 1 and 3 against San Antonio this season. The average margin of victory for The spurs average 16 points.

[Jason McIntyre]

I mean, didn't the spurs just beat him by like 35?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, I don't know how you say they're not the better team.

[Jason McIntyre]

The Lakers beat the Rockets tonight. You think we'll open with the Lakers tomorrow? Just taking some shots at Kevin Durant. My guy, kd, you got big.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I think, by the way, I think they could take both of them.

[Jason McIntyre]

By the way, Fred, don't you love when guys in street clothes are talking trash? Is that what that is? I mean, is that a move in the NBA? Go on a podcast, talk trash.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I mean, yeah, first of all, yes,

[Jason McIntyre]

you can play the game in 14 months or whatever. Maybe longer.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Your team, the Knicks, by the way, came back big against the warriors last night. But Mike Brown not happy Jace. In fact, Brown has a tradition of naming a defensive player of the game after every win. Right? Nice. He refused to do it last night, he was so incensed. Listen to his thinking here with the

[Casey Jacobson]

veteran team that has won an experience winning at a pretty high level. Shouldn't have to call two timeouts in the first six minutes of the ball game. Not to talk. And I'm not talking X's and O's. The DL and so this one knows it.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Knicks, they've been outscored in the first quarter in six of their last seven games. Are you as worried Knicks fan Jason McIntyre as Mike Brown?

[Jason McIntyre]

Listen, coming home off a five game road trip, I know a lot of gamblers for the NBA love to fade the home team returning home because they're lethargic after being on the road. And the Knicks didn't show up, but they won the game. What's he worried about? I know it's against the Zombie warriors. They got nobody playing for him, but like, I don't know, I like it. Maybe he's trying to fire up his troops for the playoff run. I mean, you know, they're playing a bunch of tanking teams next. Indiana, Brooklyn, Washington, New Orleans. Those guys are trying to. Knicks are going to be fine.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Well, look, they fell behind by 14 points in the first quarter last night. They fell behind by 15 points against the Jazz, the tanking Jazz on Wednesday. So I think he's worried. Just, you know, you can't start playoff games, you know, double digits behind.

[Jason McIntyre]

That's how you finish, Rachel.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Well, sometimes how you start influences how you finish, Jason, Mike Brown, ease up.

[Jason McIntyre]

Hey, let the guys take a little vacation. You're playing bad teams. Get some Tyler Kolek minutes in there, right? I like colic. All right, Rachel with the news.

[Casey Jacobson]

Well, that's the news.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

And thanks for stopping by.

[Casey Jacobson]

The Herd lie news.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, coming up, James Palmer stops by. I'm going to ask him right out the gate. Are the Rams all in? Are they going to win the Super Bowl? McVeigh, Stafford, walk off. That's next year on the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

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[Jason McIntyre]

the herd Little NFL action To get to I talked about the Rams earlier. We're gonna bring on James Palmer, who does a great podcast with Steve Smith, the former Carolina Panther. James Palmer, NFL Insider at Bleacher Report James, I hope free agency was good for you. I mean, last time you were were on, I praised the artwork in the background. If you recall, it was your young child. Now, let me ask you about the Rams. I really love the McDuffie move. And he said he's just happy to go to a team that's a contender, which I I didn't surprised he didn't get more pickup. Your thoughts on the Rams kind of going all in and maybe seeing McVeigh and Stafford walk away after this?

[James Palmer]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens, right, because they both teased it before in the past, right, Jason? Both of them. But what do they do in 2026? I. I think they are all in. I mean, in my opinion, all of last year, they were one of the two best teams in one just happened to be in their division and won the Super Bowl. But you saw the moves that they make. You saw it started at the trade deadline. Honestly, when they made the move for Roger McCreary at the corner spot, they were kind of like, all right, we need to fix what was going on in our secondary. We've kind of overlooked it. My understanding always was, if we're great up front, we can kind of piece things together in the secondary. Then they started realizing the secondary was a bit of an issue along with special teams. You saw them correct both of those. The Trent McDuffie move is a massive swing. This is one of the best corners in football. I remember Pat Sartan telling me during training camp, I was like, who do you watch? You're the best corner in football. He's like, I watch Derek Stingley and I watch Trent McDuffie. That's who I watch. And so that addition and they bring in another guy from the Chiefs, you know, to help their secondary. You look at where they're at in the contracts that are coming up, to me, Jason really signifies that they're all in. They built this team really through the draft over 23, 24, those years. Those bills are coming due after 26 here, and so there's going to be some shuffling, humming. And so you go all in here with everybody and maybe your last hurrah with. With Matthew Stafford and playing the super bowl perhaps right there in your own backyard. It does look like they're all in from the moves that Lesney has made. And why wouldn't he play the game this way? This is how we know Less.

[Jason McIntyre]

I forgot super bowl back at Sofi. So let me ask did you buy do you buy the A.J. brown rumors that popped up? The Rams were allegedly trying to trade for him recently. And then they were like, oh well, maybe we'll have to move on from Devonte. Listen, a lot of reporters have a lot of stuff. Your thoughts on the A.J. brown situation. Were the Rams in the mic or someone else?

[James Palmer]

Yeah, I didn't hear them as much. I know that. You know, Less is one of those GMs that will call and he will try to always make a big swing. You know, that's how we're looking. You know, always keeping one eye on James Gladstone down there in Jacksonville because he comes from Less's world of let's make sure we can always keep an eye on making a big move at all, at all times. But when I started hearing about it, I'm going, how are they going to make this work? I mean, go ask Cooper cup when he started getting replaced by Pukinakua, how this offense works with trying to feed multiple receivers. It just really doesn't. It really is focused around one receiver. Now if they were going to move to A.J. brown, you go, well, somebody has to be the odd man out and it's not going to be Puka. I I would also say if you watch anything of last year of Matthew Stafford and Devonte Adams in the red zone, it was borderline unstoppable. Like it was tele, you know, I mean, it was like on another level. It was like a Travis Kelsey, you know, Patrick Mahomes type of connection down there. I don't know if you want to move on from that when you're all in, but I would say yeah, I think Les has interest in pretty much everything and I think you put A.J. brown a little bit into the mix there.

[Jason McIntyre]

The A.J. brown stuff is almost getting tiresome. He's being linked to so many teams. Is the media trying to trade him or is Philly actually trying to trade him?

[James Palmer]

Yeah, it's so weird because I feel like the pacing from the two teams that are probably the most involved, that's Philly and most likely New England. To my understanding, neither one has a has a really a dead end that they have to make a trade. We know that time plays a part in this and I want to dive into where the picks would be, obviously without competing offers. Howie Roseman is going to sit and try to get the most out of it as he can because that doesn't drive the price up or drive the pace of this up. And I think how he's very good at remaining patient, how he wouldn't mind being patient going past June 1, where the cap number goes from 40 million, the dead number that they'd have to incur drops below 20 to my understanding after June 1st. Now, if you're the Patriots and you're looking to perhaps if it's a one, like a lot of people are saying, which still seems very rich to me, you're going to be giving up pick 31 in 2026. If this trade is after June 1, you'd be giving up your one in 2027. What is the likelihood, Chase, of that being 31 or 32? Like there's a very good chance that pick's actually going to be better for Philadelphia in 27 than it would be where it sits right now at 31 and 26. Because a lot of people believe with the, you know, a tougher schedule, maybe some things not falling entirely the patriots way in 26, that it's not going to be the same type of season that they had getting to the Super Bowl. So the pick would actually benefit Philadelphia if it was later. I also would say how he doesn't mind waiting. If there's any general manager that does more moves during training camp, it's Howie Roseman. If he gets extra money with this trade happening, he wouldn't mind making this team better right up to the first game of the season. You know, he's brought in guys in the secondary right up before the start of the season in the past. So timing is really kind of the part with this. There's really nothing that speeds this up other than two teams that it looks like right now are staring at each other. I do know that the Romeo Dobbs deal, and I think a very sneaky good move for New England does not change their outlook on acquiring A.J. brown.

[Jason McIntyre]

Interesting. Let's go to the Kyler Murray. Move Kyler Murray to the Vikings. Everybody knew what was happening one year deal. I don't. I don't know why I was so in on JJ McCarthy last year in the off season. I guess the Jim Harbaugh stuff got me excited. He didn't deliver. And now they get Kyler Murray, a former number one pick. I'm just curious, is this Kevin o' Connell pushing for this, the new gm? What are you hearing?

[James Palmer]

Yeah, Kevin was all on board. I mean, this is really the one guy that Kevin thought was like the free agent quarterback. If he wanted to bring in another reclamation project. And that's what they wanted. They wanted to do it last year. Sam Dardo went elsewhere, Daniel Jones went elsewhere, and they were looking about mid season to start looking at those options again. And Kyler Murray was the one that they were kind of staring at right, you know, right there going, this is the most talented guy. He's still 28, he's got a great arm, he's extremely accurate, he's still a playmaker. This is who we'd like to probably target. And it was the guy that they targeted when he was released. And now it's just a football decision and no finances are really involved in it at all, outside of Eric Burkhart, his agent, making sure there's no tag clause in it after the 26 season. So he could potentially be maybe the most coveted free agent if things go well in 27. And this is the one spot that Kyler wanted to be in because if you look at the roster, it's probably the best landing spot he could have had. And you know that they've, you know, brought quarterbacks along and usually every quarterback he didn't even play, Daniel Jones came out a better quarterback from spending time with Kevin o'.

[Casey Jacobson]

Connell.

[James Palmer]

The one thing I would look at is what is next for J.J. mcCarthy because this doesn't appear to be a quarterback competition they are setting up. This is a guy that they're looking at that could potentially be, to my understanding, their long term solution. Quarterback. If it goes well, I wouldn't be surprised if they go, let's keep Kyler Murray. Like if this goes great. I mean, they tried to do it with Sam Darnold. The money didn't work, but it went well with Sam. It went terrible at the end, but they did want to bring him back. Now, numbers and all those things always come into play. I don't know what J.J. mcCarthy's future is. I still think they want to have some sort of faith in him if he loses this job. But I don't know what the market would be, Jason, for him.

[Jason McIntyre]

Is this an open competition or does Kyler come in as the favorite?

[James Palmer]

Like I would think if I'm Kyler Murray, I'm carrying myself into this competition like I'm the front runner, like that's the way I would do it. Now, from Kevin o' Connell's perspective, I think he's giving them every opportunity. My point is there was an idea of this, of going, we need to give JJ McCarthy some competition that'll really, you know, bring out the Best in him. You know how many organizations think that way? But when you're bringing in a former Heisman winner, former number one overall pick, a guy who has a 67% completion percentage to come in with you, I don't see it much as like a competition. Like, I think there's a. Almost a likelihood. There's plenty of players on the team going, Tyler's probably going to win this job here. I don't say like they're handing him in the job at any stretch, but I would think that's the thinking. Now, the one thing we do have to keep an eye on is this is a timing offense that is precise and that is the way Justin Jefferson plays football. He's professional receiver. He wants the ball on time. Kyler has never played that way in his career. And Kevin o' Connell will not be the first guy who is trying to get him to play on time. So they're gonna have to blend some things together for sure. Offensively, if he, if he's the one.

[Jason McIntyre]

James, we got 30 seconds left. Justin Fields traded from my jets to the Chiefs. Is he the starter week one? Is this a big nothing burger, just a backup quarterback, or is he maybe a next Sam Darnold?

[James Palmer]

Yeah, it's. It's not a nothing burger because he wants all the reps, right? And he's going to get a chance to get all the reps. Same thing with tua. I think that's important with both of these, that they get all the reps in the off season with an injury quarterback. So if he wants to rehab himself and rebuild himself back up, go be with Andy Reid and take all the reps by Mahomes is out. I don't want to put a timeline on Patrick, but I'll just say this. I'd be surprised, very surprised if he's not out there week one just by the way this is going and the way he's attacked it. But also this allows them not to rush him by any stretch. If you do have a former first round pick in your building.

[Jason McIntyre]

Wow. Great stuff, James Palmer. I mean, man, that Kyler stuff.

[Umar/Wilmer Valderrama]

Oh, boy.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, we'll talk to you again soon, James. Thanks a lot.

[James Palmer]

Sounds good, man. Good senior.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. Oh, boy, that was spicy. You know, Rachel was talking to me during the break earlier about this Kyler situation and I was like, come on, is J.J. mcCarthy. Is he a company? They drafted him top 10. I did not realize it was this bleak. But the timing offense part that he talked about was good. Kyler likes to like, do his own thing in the pocket. I'm going to scramble around and make stuff happen.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

We don't know, right? So we'll see how the training camp goes. Quarterback competition or not really a quarterback competition or whatever. But, you know, that's got to be

[Jason McIntyre]

tough if you're jj, you've been there for two years. You're the guy here.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

A lot of hype, right? The first year after his rookie season, so much hype around him.

[Jason McIntyre]

Kyler Murray's not a hold the clipboard, chill out guy either.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

No. But you know, short quarterbacks in the NFL, there's limitations. And as a short human, I feel sad about that. But it is hard to see over your lineman, and that makes a difference sometimes.

[Jason McIntyre]

Poor, poor guy. Jj. He's been through a lot. Can't stay healthy. You got to stay healthy. Stinks. All right, we made it through day one, Rachel. Barely. She hated my Jokic boozer take, but everyone else did too. So we're back tomorrow. Probably some NBA. Go Lakers.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I'm gonna give you my final four tomorrow.

[Umar/Wilmer Valderrama]

Yes.

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