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THE HERD - Hour 3 - NFL Dominance, Cowboys Prove Haters Wrong, Jared Smith Stops By
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Doug Gottlieb
What up? Welcome in. This is the Herd, wherever you may be and however you may make it as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb. And for the vacationing, Colin Cowherd. And for the next hour, I want to talk sports with you from Poway to Escondido, from San Clemente to Otay Mesa. I don't actually know where Otay Mesa is. That's. That's old school SoCal radio. Sports radio. If you know my boy J. Stew, who's been doing this even longer than me, of course Ryan's on the ones and twos. Welcome in. Happy holidays to you. It's okay. I apologize to you, Jason, but now is the time you can say Merry Christmas. It is not too early. I would. I would have been a little hesitant about Christmas lights before today, but now it's okay to put the Christmas lights up. You want to go Clark Griswold, you go Clark Griswold. I think J Stew has a holiday movie tie for us in Best for Last. That's at the. At the end of the hour. And we got college football. All the picks you need for this weekend's sports that haven't yet taken place. There's an NFL game today. Like, really? Yeah. Black Friday, I think. J. Stu, this is the second year of Black Friday. Isn't this the third or second?
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Jason Stewart
No, it's the. It's the third. Right. 20, 23. The dolphins ran over the Jets. And then there was a game last year, I forget, between two. I just looked this up before the show, so I shouldn't be wrong, but I'll double check.
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Doug Gottlieb
No, you're right. Yeah. I mean, listen, if you looked it up, then you're right. I'm going more on feelings, you're going more on facts.
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Jason Stewart
But the evolution of this Black Friday thing, like, I think it was a thing for a while where the NFL would, like, give courtesy to these other sports, and they're like, we'll give Black Friday to college football. We'll give Christmas to the NBA. And now it's just like, screw it, we're just going to take it all. Doug.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yes. Yes. They want Christmas, they got Christmas, they got Thanksgiving, and they'll take Black Friday. And, you know, if college football doesn't figure, it out, they'll, they'll take January 1st as well as January 1st, not the day that it used to be. So it's really fascinating what has happened with the dominance and takeover of the National League. I said this time and again that what I, what I truly believe, truly believe is that Roger Goodell is the best that's ever, he's ever done it. And there are so many people who want to take him down for some of the things that they've done, some of the missteps that they've had. You know, the Ray Rice thing, you know, the social injustice thing during the, during the, the summer of protest and all those things. But to me, the, the real deal, okay, the real deal is, is they're on every network and now most streaming platforms, they've taken over the holidays. They're just fine. They're expanding the international games. Why? Because all of it makes money, his job. And you pointed this out, and you're right to point out the quality of play is not nearly consistently what it should be, considering what the view of how good the NFL is for people to listen to the Doug Gottlieb Show. It's a Daily Show, 3 to 5 Eastern, 12, 2 Pacific. We also have an hour long podcast. You get the whole show on podcast, but you get podcast only hour. And Jason, who, among other things, a huge music fan, music buff, likens it to the Zropa album right by you.
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Jason Stewart
Two, remember you two. And they're kind of in their chronology, their discography, you know, Joshua Tree, iconic. And then they re remade themselves and made Octung Baby. And that was hugely commercially successful as well. Two different sounding albums. And then my theory with Zuropa that it was such a piece of crap and it's horrible to listen to, it was U2 and their management saying, we are so popular right now, let's see if we just put out crap music, how many people will buy it. I think the NFL has been in that phase for the last two or three years. How, how much will the public put up with our product if we don't put into any improvement? Because it's gotten worse and worse. And you could blame the collective bargained lack of practicing and training, you could blame the quarterbacks going down. But we are in Zuropa. I think it's the NFL's way of being like, just what could we put out there when people actually say, maybe I won't watch this one.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah. And my point would be that's not his job. Right. His job is not to worry about the quality of play. His job is to make the owner's money. And he has done his job incredibly well. Incredibly well. And the interesting part about it is, if you look back 15 years ago, okay, I remember I was at ESPN and they used to talk about, well, if you're going to go and accept the money for a college, college, college sports, but pro sports as well, from a lesser brand than espn, you may get more money, but you're basically going to disappear. You know, it happened to the Mountain West, Mountain West Conference. You go back to the early 2000s, and they moved their conference tournament to Denver and they moved all their sports to the Altitude Network. And nobody watched. Nobody could find it. Right. The NFL is so powerful that they moved Thursday night to Amazon and we all wondered, and I think it was like 12 or 13 million people watched the first one. That hasn't been a thing. Now they're on Netflix. Every. Everybody seems to have Netflix, right? I mean, look at the Tyson fight and how many people watch that. How many people watch the Black Friday or the Christmas gate. Christmas games are on. On Netflix. They have violated some of the core tenants of. Of old school media, which is, you know, the more you spread yourself out, you water down the. You water down the viewership numbers of the product. If you're on every network that, what they've done, the viewership is still this high or better than ever. And they put themselves on streaming, which should be a death knell to those games. And it's not. To Jason's point, you can put any NFL game on. And the degenerate gambler in our country, and there's a lot of them, or the degenerate fantasy football player in our country, which is kind of a gambler as well, and there's a lot of them, they're gonna find it. And whether that was part of the plan or that's the plan that he's adapted, it's working. It's working. Speaking of plans, I don't know what the Cowboys true plan was like, were they really trying to be good or were they just trying to get through this year and then fix the defense, which has been broken for the past two years. But at some point we can go, hey, the Cowboys don't suck. They're not the best team in the NFL. I don't think they're winning a Super Bowl. I don't think they're getting close to a Super Bowl. But if we, if we, if we're. If we're honest with ourselves, and it's one of the things that you're supposed to be the older you get. But in sports, fans just aren't honest with themselves. Especially the haters of the Cowboys. Like I think over the last year you can no longer hate on the three most hateable teams and maybe even throw the Yankees in there. Although the Yankees, I don't know if they were a disaster, but they were a disappointment not getting to another World Series. But we used to make fun of Notre Dame football because the hype was way louder than the actual product in the field. I don't think that's the case anymore. Duke last year, it was an upset when they lost and they, you know, a game that they probably rightfully should have won in the, in the final four, but it's not met with the same, you know, Duke is overhyped celebration about Duke losing that it used to be. And the Cowboys, who we've all had, we've all taken our pound of flesh with the Cowboys all taking our pound of flesh. And again, it's more about Cowboys fans and about Jerry than it is Cowboys players. But when you lump them all into one, it was the constant hype machine of us in the media talking about the Cowboys cuz people like talk about the Cowboys and then that every year the fans thinking this was the year and Jerry feeding into it. Now Jerry didn't say they were going to be great this year, but he did think they were on the right path. And I don't think after yesterday you could argue that Jerry Jones was right. Jerry Jones was right. You know, they've beaten two the last, the two super bowl teams. And you can say, hey, they beat the Eagles, they were competitive with the Eagles in game one. Shouldn't be surprised they beat him the second time around. And no, the Chiefs are not what they used to be. But the Chiefs needed to win that game and the Cowboys just beat them. They're 6, 5 and 1. They do have to go to Detroit on Thursday, but after that they have a schedule that's manageable. They can get into the playoffs. So you can hate on the Cowboys all you want, but I think, I think that's a little bit of dated news. This is a team that's overachieving a quarterback who's playing to the level that he's compensated. And Jerry Jones and his staff have done a good job of kind of retrofitting this team based upon what they have. It's time to eat our words on the Cowboys. 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Doug Gottlieb
Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the Herd fox sports radio iHeartradio app. Hey, Jared Smith's our guest and he's the co host of Fox Sports Radio's Countdown to Kickoff with Rich Ornberger and Brian O. It airs each Saturday 9am to noon Eastern Time. Listen live on our Fox Sports Radio affiliates or on the iHeartRadio app presented by BetMGM Jared Huge, huge, huge, huge, huge college football weekend. They're all big. But now you get to the rivalry games and you know, now we're playing to get in the playoffs and you know, every game becomes paramount. Let's, let's kind of get after it as right now, ole miss leads 21 to 13. Just, just for, for giggles, who did you have in this game against the number?
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Jared Smith
I like Lacey over rush yards in this game. That was the one thing that really stood out to me. I mean, I think the spread was right. I feel like Ole Miss should have been a score plus favorite. The landline right around seven and a half. It looks like that's kind of where we're trending right now. But the big mismatch in this game for me was Mississippi State's rush defense, which has been given up the punty yards. They let him on hard to go off for 300 and been a workhorse. I mean, he's not going to win the Walker the Dog Walker award because obviously Jeremiah Love is the best back in the country. But him and Hardy and Lacy, those three guys have been the best three in college football this year. And I don't think Lacy gets talked about enough. So his prop number at 120 and a half was pretty appetizing. I think he just went over 100 on a nice little run.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, let's, let's, let's get some of the picks from the weekend. Okay. Tonight or this afternoon, depending on where you are. Georgia takes on Georgia Tech. Huge game for both. Right? Georgia Tech sitting there going, hey, we're on the outside looking in, but you be Georgia. Things change for the dogs. Can't lose the second one. And then of course, you know, with the SEC championship game, that's. You can't lose three games. Georgia is a 15 and a half point dog. A 15 half point favorite. Excuse me. Total pretty high 59 and a half. What do you like?
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Jared Smith
Yeah, we, we've seen some money on Georgia this week. Last year's game was absolutely bananas. Eight overtimes and Georgia still has an outside shot to make the SEC championship if they get an A and M or a Bama loss. So I definitely think Georgia's got a lot to play for. Obviously, Georgia Tech needs a ton of help to make the acc. This game still has playoff implications, I think more for Georgia than Georgia Tech. You mentioned the high total. That's because Georgia Tech's defense has really struggled in the last few weeks to make stops. I have a lot of concerns about them getting off the field in this game. This has been an underlying issue all season, but when you're winning it's not as important. But over the last three they're allowing 41 points per game, seven and a half yards per play since week 10. That's actually the second worst mark in the Power 4. So we talk about Georgia a lot from the defensive side. We love Kirby Smart and his defensive scheming. I think they might get C.J. allen back in this game, star middle linebacker. But I actually think the advantage for Georgia and why this number has creeped towards the dogs is the fact that Georgia's offense should be on the front foot for most of this game. I think Nate Frazier, the running back for Georgia should is going to be fantastic here. Actually the second highest rushing grade in the SEC behind Ahmad Hardy. So he is another back that you need to take very seriously. And I don't know if I'm willing to lay all these points on the road, Doug, but I do feel like Georgia is going to win this game. Maybe a team total over for Georgia to get across that finish line and maybe, who knows, Georgia Tech gets through the back door late on the spread.
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Doug Gottlieb
A and M and Texas and the renewed rivalry right now in the SEC. A&M is a 2 1/2 point favorite on the road in DKR. The total is 52 1/2.
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Jared Smith
Yeah, we haven't seen a ton of movement off the key number three here. It does look like A and M is going to close a slight road favorite. I think that makes sense. I do think Texas is playing better over the last few weeks. Arch Manning's red hot and really, honestly, I think we have to give him his credit. We were obviously down on him to start the year and I think he showed some, you know, rust in the fact that he hasn't had a ton of experience. But since week nine he's got the sixth highest passing grade per Pro Football Focus. He's been really good from a clean pocket, but the problem is Texas hasn't had a clean pockets this year because their offensive line has been terrible. They can't run the ball. I think A and M defense is going to get into Texas a little bit here. I really like the Texas A and M middle linebacker, Torian York. He doesn't have the prototypical size as an NFL linebacker, but he is a cerebral freak. He just smells everything at the linebacker level. So you know Sark likes to to run those RPOs and the quick screens. I think A and M is going to sniff that stuff out. The other side of this ball is intriguing. Marcel Reed's been a little shaky in the straight drop back game, but in play action and an rpo, he's been very efficient this year. Texas is good against the run on defense, but they're not as great against the pass and they're actually giving up a ton of yakyards in the secondary. So I could see some of that quick game. Conception and Craver and even Ashton Bethel, Roman for A and M has been very good this year. Reid has been efficient, he's been on time. I think he's taking a step forward with his passing game. How about a Marcel Reed passing yards over prop? I saw it lined in like the low 220s. I think Reed's going to have a good game on offense. I think it's going to be a fun one down there in Austin tonight.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay, let's get to tomorrow's games. Let's start with the big game. It's the early game, Ohio State taking on Michigan. It was 10, now it's nine and a half. The total is 43 and a half. Ohio State big favorite in the big house.
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Jared Smith
Yeah, you got to imagine Ohio State's going to get across the finish line in this one, right? I mean, you would think. I think it may be the only program in the country that can win a national championship like they did last year, Doug, and still feel like the season wasn't a success because they lost the Michigan for a fourth consecutive year. I honestly don't know if I can say that about any other program in the country. The wild thing here is if Michigan somehow wins this game and either Oregon or Indiana lose, we'll get Michigan Ohio State again next week in the Big Ten title game. Now, I don't think that's going to play out that way. I do think Ohio State is a little more physical this year and that's the one thing that I'm very intrigued with. Last year we knew their passing offense was great, they were great in the run game, but I think they're a little bit more balanced lately. I really like the emergence of this freshman back, Bo Jackson. They've got James Peoples and C.J. donaldson and Short yardage. So while everyone's going to be paying attention to saying and Smith and Tate and Ennis and all these great receivers, I actually think Ohio State might have an opportunity to run it a little bit better than they have in prior games. Remember, this game in the past has been Michigan more physical at the line of scrimmage. That's why they've won the game. And I think Ohio State has to be more balanced. They have to focus on the run. I actually think Bo Jackson is primed for a big game on the other side. Obviously Michigan wants to run it. You got to keep Bryce Underwood out of those obvious passing situations. Michigan has one of the highest run rates in college football this year. Their offensive line has been fantastic. I like the Ohio State defense. They're going to stack the box. They're going to try to make Underwood throw it down the field to beat them. That could mean some one on ones for Andrew Marsh. Freshman receiver for Michigan's come on really strong lately. Had a good game last week. Devin Donovan. McCauley's also been really good in the number two spot. Defense will be the theme of this game though. Curry, Jackson, Styles Reese. I think Ohio State's this year the more physical team and I think that's why they win and probably cover the game.
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Doug Gottlieb
Doug Gottlieb in for Collins the Hurt. Fox Sports Radio iHeartradio app Jared Smith is our guest. Countdown to Kickoff, presented by BET MGM is the show he co hosts every Saturday morning here on Fox Sports Radio. We're going through the picks of the weekend. Vandy Tennessee. Who would have thought? This is a huge game and Tennessee only a two and a half point favorite at home. And the total 65 and a half. 65 and a half. Who do you like?
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Jared Smith
Yeah, this is a shootout. This one feels like it's going to be back and forth. The scenarios are actually very interesting. If Andy wins, I don't think they're straight up in with a win. I think they might need a little bit of help this year and that's just based off of how some of the other grades are in the rankings. But once we get to next week I think we'll have a much clearer picture of where Vandy sits. But they need to win this game. Tennessee actually hasn't beaten a team of the winning record all year. So I think Mandy goes into Knoxville and wins this game. I do think it's a high scoring game. Pavia and Angular, the two quarterbacks are two of the three highest graded quarterbacks in the FBS this year. The highest graded one is Julian saying so you could argue that Aguilar and Pavia have had as good of right on par with where Julian Sain's been this year. Aguilar is a very easy quarterback to dissect. He's been great in Clean pockets. They've got a Ton of weapons on the outside, right. Tennessee loves to run that wide choice offense. That means those receivers are going to be wide outside the numbers and they will basically make the decision themselves based on how the defense is playing, whether or not they run a comeback route or run the vertical down the field. That's why it's called the wide choice. I think Vandy's passing defense is a little bit compromised here. We've seen them give up some big plays. I could see Aguilar being absolutely electric in this game. And on the other side, Pavia, I mean he's one of the, one of the most fun players in college football to watch. We've discussed him a bunch this year. I don't think he's going to win the heism, but maybe he deserves to be in New York. I think overall though, his passing numbers have been a lot better than you might think. You might envision him more as like an RPO kind of quarterback, but he's had back to back games of really solid passing grades. Six big time throws, just one turnover worthy play. And that Tennessee defense has been I would say below average this year. 95th in the country and passer rating allowed and they're outside the top 60 and explosives. So I think you're going to see a Tennessee defense that's going to struggle to get after Pavia. Joshua Joseph's really on the edge, is the only Tennessee pass rusher and you've got stowers, the tight end Cheryl Richardson. I mean these guys are making plays on the outside for Vandy. High scoring game. I think Vandy wins and then we'll have some fun with the committee over the weekend to see if they get in the playoffs.
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Doug Gottlieb
Jared, let's get into a couple more here. LSU goes, coaches fired. You know, Brian Kelly's fired. We'll hear if Lane Kiffin takes the job probably sometime here later tonight or into tomorrow they take on Oklahoma. Oh, you trending towards college football. College football playoff. They're 11 and a half point favorites but the total is 36. Now this is the opposite of Vandy Tennessee, right? This is, this is blood out of a rock game. What do you like with the line?
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Jared Smith
Unbelievable, right? Like you just, you don't see college totals that low unless there's extreme weather. And I don't think there's extreme weather at least in Oklahoma. I haven't checked the forecast in Norman. I don't think is anything crazy this weekend or if it's a service academy game and it's neither of those. This is An SEC football game with SEC athletes all over the field in the totals in the mid-30s. The reason why is the LSU offense is an absolute disaster. Michael Van Buren is going to make his third straight start. Did not grade out well against Western Kentucky last week and they barely won 13 to 10. And so you think, okay, well, now LSU is going to lean on the run game. Well, they've got the fourth worst run game in the power four if you look at the efficiency rating. So they can't run it. And they've got a quarterback who really can't throw it. Really tough to see them scoring much against Oklahoma. The Sooners are a top 10 defense across the board. There's only three teams in the Power 4 that are better in the EPA per play numbers on defense this year. Texas Tech, Indiana, Ohio State. So you could say Oklahoma's got a top five defense in the country. And I think it's very fair to say Venables might be one of the best defensive minds in the country. I think they've got a significant edge on paper on the LSU offense in this game. For Oklahoma's offense, we need to see more in the run game. We know LSU is going to blitz the heck out of you. They're great in the secondary. They're top 10 in the country with 14 picks. Blake Baker loves to send the pressure top 20 across the board and all of those blitzing and pressure metrics. John McCarra actually has been better against the blitz this year and I think that kind of is. I actually think some quarterbacks that have instincts and athleticism like him are better against the blitz because you're not thinking as much.
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Doug Gottlieb
It's.
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Jared Smith
You have the open space and you're urgent. The ball's got to be there right now because you're under duress. They don't think and they just react. And I think that's why this could be a really good game for Mater. LSU secondary is fantastic. Mansoor Delaney is going to be a first rounder. Halsey Woodland that flashed at the safety position. It'll be interesting to see how Baker plays it, but I think Oklahoma, if they can get a little bit going on the ground here, I think we're going to just grind this game out because LSU's offense is in dire straits.
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Doug Gottlieb
All right, last one, Iron Bowl, Bama and then Auburn. Auburn. Ton of near misses or why do they call them near misses? Shouldn't they be near hits anyway?
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Jared Smith
Should be near hits. That's a Georgia bit, I think.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, Bama's only a five and a half point favorite totals 46 and a half. And this is one of those Kalin boy like you gotta win this one. Who do you like in the plains?
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Jared Smith
I'll be honest, the number kind of tells me he might be in trouble here. You know, again, Auburn's hadn't had a really rough year and Alabama's looked, I would argue that that Alabama stretch in the middle of the year when they won those four straight ranked games, the best stretch of college football any team in the country's played all season. But they've kind of run out of scheme because let's be honest, the SEC is really fricking tough to make it through this gauntlet. This game particularly is, is special. The last time Bama was in the building it was the Jalen Milro 4th and 31. You've got the kick six, the Cam Newton comeback, you got overtime games. I mean this game like I expect this game to be an absolute battle. I don't think Bama is going to have this decisive edge because let's be honest, they are really struggling right now on offense. Auburn stops the run and Bama can't run it. And Ty Simpson over the last few games has looked very average. Four touchdowns, three pick six big time throws to seven turnover worthy plays. So we need to see Ty Simpson and Ryan Williams and Jeremy Bernard and this elite offense for Alabama with players all over the place play to the back of their baseball card. You know, as the cliche goes, Auburn's offense has been a mess all year. Jackson Arnold got benched, Ashton Daniels played well and then he got benched again and then Deuce Knight played last week, actually played pretty well against Mercer. But now we're going to go back to Daniels. I heard DJ Durkin said maybe some Deuce Knight packages in this game. It looks like it'll be kind of the two of them. But Auburn essentially is down at a second and third string quarterbacks in this game. I like the Bama linebackers, Jefferson and Lawson and Hill Green. Like you know Auburn loves to run those, you know, RPO games to the outside and you're going to have a lot of run pass option, a lot of just straight option looks. Linebacker levels got to be really key for Alabama in this game. Ball security is going to be huge. Daniels has been turnover worthy, turnover prone and I think Bama really whoever, I mean I know this sounds, you know, I'm kind of a cop out. Whoever turns it over last Doug I think is going to win this game. I trust obviously Simpson more than I do Daniels. But man, I don't like the way bamas looked over the last few weeks. I think they eat this one out, but I don't know if they cover awesome stuff.
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Doug Gottlieb
Hey, man, hope you had a great Thanksgiving. I know this is the gets to the crazy time for your world in the in the betting world. Appreciate you. Can't wait to hear you tomorrow morning on FOX Sports Radio.
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Jared Smith
Good luck.
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Doug Gottlieb
All right, that's Jared Smith, of course. He's our FOX Sports Radio betting analyst. Check out countdown to kickoff. It's Jared. Rich Ornberger played in the National Football League host a show in San Diego, Brian noe every Saturday, 9am to noon Eastern time. Listen live on our FOX Sports Radio village to the iHeartRadio app presented by Beth MGM. Let's get to Jason Stewart with the news.
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Jason Stewart
No, no, no.
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Jared Smith
Turn on the news.
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Jason Stewart
This is the Herd line news. Doug the Egg bowl between Ole Miss and Mississippi State. It's in the third quarter right now. Ole Miss is up by 11. They were giving seven and a half today on the road at Mississippi State. For casual college football people like me, I know you're die hard and I know there are die hards out there. But for casual football people, Lane Kiffin is putting together the best Ole miss season since JFK was in office. Everyone remembers the 1962 team that went undefeated won the national title. Everyone remembers that. And don't me about how socially offensive a lot of that program was and all that stuff. But anyways, Lane Kiffin is putting together an extraordinary season and he's likely going to leave. The bigger picture question here is if they win today, they're 11 and 1 on the season and they're going to be considered for the playoff seeding. They're in the playoffs, but they need to be considered on how and where and when they'll play. If Lane Kiffin takes the job at LSU or somewhere else and announces it tomorrow and is not able to coach in the playoffs, how should the committee look at this team through that prism?
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Doug Gottlieb
If he's not, he's not coaching.
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Jason Stewart
You're saying if he can't. If he doesn't coach in the playoff. Correct.
- [37:42]
Doug Gottlieb
I think it's hard to tell what you're going to get from the team, honestly. Right. I mean, he's not just head coach, but he's calling the plays. He's like their offensive coordinator or whether he's named offense coordinator or not. I do think that winning this game helps with the idea of can they compete in in what is seen as turmoil. Right. They're up 2413 right now with 343 to go in the. In the third quarter. But I. If he's not coaching the team, he's not the head coach. He's at lsu. I mean, again, I. That definitely has to knock them down a seed line. I still think if you're 10 1, you're going to get into the College Football Playoff, but your seed should definitely be lower.
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Jason Stewart
But it's a classic argument, right? We all remember Kenyon Martin, Cincinnati team in basketball. And you brought up the reference of a Florida State quarterback a couple years ago. For those that say you should judge a team based on what they've done and not about what they might do without with a missing piece, what do you say to that?
- [38:48]
Doug Gottlieb
Again, I agreed with Kenya Martin's team being knocked down a seed. I agreed with Florida State not being in the College Football Playoff two years ago when they lost their quarterback. I mean, you know, unless we see you perform without the player or coach at the same level, then we have to, because that's the team that's going forward. Is Ole Miss as good a team if Lane Kiffin's not there? No. No. That's why everybody's fighting over him. No, I have no problem.
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Jason Stewart
Couple things. News in the NFL today. Mike Tomlin has just confirmed that Aaron Rodgers does not have an injury designation for Sunday's game against the Bills in Pittsburgh. Steelers are getting three points at home. Aaron Rodgers season. It kind of makes you think about, as we head down the final stretch here, this could be his final season in the NFL. Not a whole lot has been covered or written about it. I have my theories on that. You know, Aaron hasn't been great to the media in recent years, and maybe this is kind of his way. We don't want to do too many puff pieces sending him off. This is kind of his punishment, maybe. What do you think if. If this is indeed Aaron Rodgers last six or seven weeks?
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Doug Gottlieb
Well, I think it's going to be based upon how he plays. I think it's. That's really what it's going to be. I mean, here's a team that has lost for the last six games. They did beat the Colts, one of the top teams in the afc. At home they beat the Bengals, but he hasn't looked great. They have Bills, Ravens, Dolphins, Lions at Browns and Ravens. So winnable games down the stretch. Put some tough ones here. You know, unfortunately, most guys on that last year kind of go out with a whimper. Tom Brady wasn't nearly the same in his last year. Brett Favre got hurt midway through his last year. You know, Peyton Manning, remember Peyton Manning's last year. They said he was hurt, but it felt like they kind of pulled him. And then he started in the playoffs. But they won the super bowl because of the defense. I think this is actually very normal for the last year. And the reason that there aren't the pieces is nobody wants to say he's washed up because that's just not what's done with legends. It's just not what's done.
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Jason Stewart
An underrated game this week. Well, maybe it's been rated. I just haven't seen much coverage about it. It's the Texans at Indy now. Houston's been on a bit of a heater. They've won three straight, four out of five, six of their last eight. Of course, the last three games. Davis Mills has been the quarterback. Schefter's reporting now that C.J. stroud has cleared concussion protocol. Now, C.J. stroud has been real hit or miss since that rookie season, to be honest. So over the past, like, what season and a half he's been kind of mid, you know, six, seven. Six or seven. What do you think about putting C.J. stroud back in when Davis Mills and the team's kind of on a hitter, a heater here.
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Doug Gottlieb
C.J. stroud's a quarterback. I mean, I don't think you can. I get it that you want to play the hot hand and that, you know, when you're out, if the team plays better without you, kind of, that's the way it goes. But, yeah, I mean, they're all in on their quarterback, and I don't think you can do it otherwise.
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Jason Stewart
Final thing. And this kind of opens up a more broader discussion about eating food prepared by other people.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yes.
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Jason Stewart
Last night the Bengals upset the Ravens in Baltimore and they got. Due to that silly eating of turkey after the game on Thanksgiving. And Joe Burrow declined. And he explained after the game what?
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I didn't touch it.
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Jared Smith
I didn't touch it.
- [42:38]
Doug Gottlieb
I didn't.
- [42:38]
Jared Smith
I don't know who made it. I don't know where they made it.
- [42:40]
Doug Gottlieb
I'm good.
- [42:41]
Jared Smith
I had a little pepper that I was good.
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Jason Stewart
I was good with the pepper. It's an interesting discussion because it's like, who is touching that food between the time it's made and the time it is on the field? What, past midnight, Eastern. Burrow sounds like a germaphobe.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, I think that's the bigger question. I don't think it's who's made the food. Because, like, you know, we don't look at a restaurant who's made the food. But it was, it was late and you might have been like, okay, what's happened the last seven hours? Is it still hot? I've always wondered if that stuff's still hot. How could it possibly be hot when it's out there on a football field? And once you, if you have a chicken, turkey, anytime, a poultry, when it's, once it cools off. Nah. But yes, does feel like he's a bit of a germaphobe who's been touching it. All these hands all over it. Gross. I'm going to pass.
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Jason Stewart
I mean, you got some underpaid NBC production assistant who probably can't help himself, but to pick through that as the game's going along, you got this steaming hot turkey.
- [43:49]
Doug Gottlieb
You can't, you can't pick off some of the skin and eat some of that beautiful crunchy skin because you'll be like, who ate the skin? Jimmy. Who's Jimmy? Jimmy's the intern.
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Jason Stewart
That's the Herd line news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news if.
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Doug Gottlieb
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Doug Gottlieb
Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the herd on Fox Sports Radio. Here's a weird one for you. Not a weird one. It's a cool one. So J Stu, you know, we went to the Virgin Islands and, you know, you and me and our crew were just like, hey, which days can we do shows on? It was really hard with travel that, that, that's the, the focus that and like winning games. I have an assistant coach who I hired when I hired him, he's like, hey, just, you know, my wife is due with our third November 25th. I was like, well, we're going to be in the Virgin Islands. Like, you better come up with a plan there and, you know, let me know. So when we get down there, he had all the possible flights planned if he could get out. And I told him I'm just, hey, look, you can go whenever. Like, I love you. He's a really good assistant. He's awesome guy. But once you get to the island, you know, I don't think you're getting back in time. If she goes into labor well, she didn't yesterday. She came with us to. We went to a woman's shelter and. And served meals, and then we went to our own meal. And Kendra's wife was just a trooper. She went at labor in the early hours of the morning, I think. Still in labor. I haven't got a word back. So at some point, we will have a new member of the Phoenix family, but it's. It's a different one for me where I'm waiting. Waiting on word that my assistant coach's third baby is. Is. Has arrived at some point in time.
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Jason Stewart
I know that, you know, a lot of people in the waiting room there will just, like, watch whatever's on the. The cable channel that is provided by the hospital, but he better be breaking down film while he's with his wife.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, no, no. No question about it. He is definitely my advanced prep guy. Let's get to the best for last.
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Jared Smith
It's time for best for last.
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Doug Gottlieb
All right, J. Stu, what do you got for best for last?
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Jason Stewart
I think that the. I saw an interesting article because I don't think this gets talked about enough. So holiday movies are all put into one group usually, Right. And it's mostly, what, 98% Christmas movies. But I think it's a little too early to start watching those. So people at the Daily Press put together a list of five movies that maybe you should watch this weekend before you get into your Christmas movies. Now, I don't know if you want to do a countdown or not, but, like, I didn't know that a couple of these are Thanksgiving movies. Now let me give you a couple. Did you know that the Scent of a Woman was a Thanksgiving movie? Al Pacino. Chris What? Chris o'. Donnell. Is that who it is?
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah. Yes, I did know that. I. Well, I remember a Thanksgiving scene, but I don't know if it's things. It's a good movie. And with the 250th anniversary of the Marines, and of course, Al Pacino plays. Doesn't he play a full Marine? Ooh, Ra.
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Jason Stewart
He does his first Oscar. His only Oscar. I. But remember Grumpy Old Men, that's considered a Thanksgiving move. I remember watching that when it first came out, and it was great. I. It might deserve a rewatch.
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Doug Gottlieb
Grumpy Old Men definitely deserves remote watch. Is that Walter Matthau and Jack Lemon? Yeah, Jack Lemmon. Wow.
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Jason Stewart
Legends. Legends. In their field.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yes.
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Jason Stewart
A couple other legends have done a couple movies is Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks. They get. They did. You've got Mail.
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Doug Gottlieb
You've Got Mail, which is. Was that the prequel. No. Sequel to Sleepless in Seattle, or was it like a. It had a Sleepless in Seattle feel, I think. Same writers. I don't.
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Jason Stewart
I have no idea if they're connected. But I will say this. You've Got Mail is very dated. Like, remember when that movie came out? They're like, oh, aol. Well, this thing called the Internet where we send emails.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yes.
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Jason Stewart
And now you've Got Mail just sounds like, oh, that was obviously a 1996 movie.
- [53:43]
Doug Gottlieb
Yes, yes.
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Jason Stewart
And then the king, the king of all movies, by the way. Thanksgiving movies. Planes, Trains and Automobiles. You and I, this is like wheelhouse stuff for us. This is, we grew up watching this movie. So many lines. I don't know what your favorite ones are, but my favorite scene from Planes, Trains and Automobiles is when they're going the wrong way on the freeway and.
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Doug Gottlieb
You want to race. Going the wrong way. He wants to race.
- [54:13]
Jason Stewart
And John Candy is giving the sign for you've been drinking too much. The other people, as they tell them you're going the wrong way. Oh, man. Classic saint.
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Doug Gottlieb
Classic, classic scene. That was another, another John Hughes. John Hughes. Great movie. Right? Where John Hughes did Home Alone as well, is also, also a John Hughes movie, which is a Christmas time movie. I, I point out I saw the Running man, the new Running man, yesterday.
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Jason Stewart
Yeah, it's pretty good, right?
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Doug Gottlieb
I thought it was good. I thought it was better than the original. Better than the original. There's a, there's an appearance of a photo of Arnold Schwarzenegger apparently being the president. But outside of that, no, no Arnold. No Arnold in the movie.
- [54:55]
Jason Stewart
The first one was just over the top and silly and it's been made fun of for the last 30 years.
- [54:59]
Doug Gottlieb
The first one was what we used to call a B movie. And it was almost one of those movies that if you watch Mystery Science Theater 3, 3000, that's what that movie should have been on. So there's a lot of people. There's, there's like 15 people listening this show right now on their phone or driving around going like, oh, mystery science, year 3000. For sure. For sure. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Those are some good holiday movies. Die Hard also, if you don't want to call it a Christmas movie, you can call it a holiday movie. It's a family movie. It's movie about reuniting. All right, got a football game tonight. Got huge college football games this weekend. Although I will point out it is weird that they just don't mean what what they used to, right? If Ohio State loses, they're still going to college football playoff and if Michigan wins, they're not yet going to the college football playoff, but they could play again. Colin is back Monday. Plenty of what he got right what he got wrong. But I do think that if you watch yesterday I kind of wrong about the Cowboys season wasn't a waste and Joe Burrow should be applauded. But let's not make him a hero for while doing his job. I'm Doug Gottlieb. Have a great weekend. This is the Herd.
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