THE HERD - Hour 3 - NFL trade deadline, the Rams are a complete team, what the Bills need, Albert Breer, Danny Parkins

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Hour 3 – NFL Trade Deadline, Rams as a Complete Team, Bills’ Needs, and More

Date: November 3, 2025
Hosts/Guests: Colin Cowherd, Rob Parker, Albert Breer (Monday Morning Quarterback), Danny Parkins, J. Mack

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Overview

This hour of The Herd dives deep into the looming NFL trade deadline, examining the evolving strategies of key teams (notably the Buffalo Bills), the aggressive tendencies of a new GM generation, and how contenders like the Rams and Bills are shaping up. Colin and guests also discuss the dynamic around NFL head coaches under pressure, quarterback narratives in Arizona, and major moments from baseball’s World Series. The hour closes with candid banter about Bears optimism, the Packers’ decline, and organizational excellence in pro sports.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The NFL Trade Deadline: Bills' Needs & Industry Trends

• Albert Breer on the Buffalo Bills’ Priorities

  • Defensive Tackle Search: Ed Oliver’s injury has pushed DT to the top of Buffalo’s priorities. Breer suggests a call to Washington for a player like Javon Kinlaw is in play.
  • Wide Receiver Options: The Bills are calling around for receivers. New Orleans’ Chris Olave and Rashid Shaheed are mentioned; Olave’s long-term status is uncertain, and the asking price for Shaheed is “high,” but he offers the over-the-top speed Buffalo craves to leverage Josh Allen’s arm.
  • Quote: “Shahid does bring something to the table... an over the top type of weapon that can stretch the defense. He could really weaponize Josh Allen’s arm strength.” – Albert Breer [04:14]

• Aggression and Activity Among NFL GMs

  • Breer acknowledges more early, aggressive talks, with big names floated around, but actual trades often remain minimal.
  • Potential movers include Saints veterans (Demario Davis), Dolphins DB (Minkah Fitzpatrick), Jets defenders (Jermaine Johnson, Quincy Williams), Titans’ edge rushers, and Calvin Ridley.

2. Coaching Hot Seats and Front Office Evaluations

• Coaching Stability This Year

  • Compared to past seasons, there’s less heat on coaches for midseason firings. Giants probably will not make in-season changes.

  • The Dolphins’ recent firing of Chris Grier (GM) signals a “global look” at the organization. Owner Stephen Ross seems cautious about firing Mike McDaniel before season’s end, valuing what McDaniel has accomplished and preferring a clean organizational review.

  • Quote: “I think the barometer would be whether or not he loses the locker room... But I don’t think the idea would be to pull the trigger on Mike McDaniel until after the season when they get that full look at football ops.” – Albert Breer [09:22]

3. Top Teams & Playoff Prognostications

• Kansas City Chiefs Outlook: Breer says insiders believe the Chiefs are fine with Josh Simmons back, predicting a late surge as the O-line comes together.
• Buffalo Bills: Finally winning “in different ways”—effective running game, Allen throwing less—Buffalo is perceived as adaptable and dangerous.
• LA Rams: Labeled “complete,” the Rams’ physicality up front and balance (Sean McVay’s self-reflection as key) make them especially playoff-ready.
  • Quote: “This is very much like Sean McVay in the mirror... building a more physical team... The offense is really centered more around Kyren Williams than it is Matthew Stafford at this point.” – Albert Breer [11:33]
• Noted NFC West parity: “The Rams... look like a team that can win a lot of different types of fights, which is generally what wins in the playoffs.” [11:59]

4. Kyler Murray’s Future in Arizona

• The Cardinals’ QB dilemma is dissected: with Jacoby Brissett (average but stable) under center, weapons like Marvin Harrison have flourished. Brissett’s steadiness exposes how Murray’s improvisational style might disrupt offensive structure.
• Contract Conundrum: Arizona is “locked in” on guaranteed money for Murray through 2026, making a trade difficult unless a suitor emerges.
  • Quote: “I certainly think getting a look at what this looks like with just an average quarterback in there does become part of the evaluation.” – Albert Breer [13:32]

5. Bills, Jets, and Running Back Rumors

• Rob Parker floats that the Jets may need to "flush out a lot"—suggesting Breece Hall as a trade asset.
• Colin pokes fun at this, defending the idea that young QBs need Breece Hall and existing weapons as building blocks.
  • “Jets are going to be drafting top five, right? Top three, maybe top two. You need Breece Hall to hand off to.” – Colin Cowherd [15:15]

6. Postseason Baseball Dissection

• Dodgers’ World Series Win:
  • Huge viewership numbers: Game 7 peaked at over 31 million.
  • Rob and Colin debate whether Dodgers “dynasty” is good for baseball (“That’s just envy. It’s not bad for baseball.” – Rob [22:20]); parallels to historic dynasties (Yankees, Warriors, Chiefs).
  • Blue Jays’ collapse: criticized for baserunning in Game 6 and small lead at 3rd in Game 7.
  • “Dynasties are great. The Chiefs were a great dynasty. The Yankees, the Warriors. Everybody loves or hates dynasties. They’re polarizing.” – Colin [22:22]

7. Bears’ Resurgence & Packers’ Identity Crisis

• Danny Parkins (Bears fan) on Chicago’s offensive breakthrough:

  • “Literally, Colin, in my life the Bears, when they have allowed 35 or more, they have not won a football game since I turned 22.” – J. Mack [33:19]
  • Growing confidence in Caleb Williams' development, and praise for play-calling and protection under new OC Ben Johnson.
  • “It’s improvement... Caleb’s getting better at that. And then he has the ability to do those other things.” – J. Mack [35:05]

• Packers’ Decline

  • Bears fans appreciate Packers’ lack of identity, with Jordan Love’s inconsistency called out by J. Mack: “Jordan Love still makes inexplicable throws... Should have thrown a pick-six...” [42:30]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Breer on Bills’ Deadline Moves:

  • “Would you flip New Orleans a third round pick for Shahid whose contract is up after the year? ...they have asked on receivers, and again... top priority would be defensive tackle.” [04:14]

• On Sean McVay’s Rams Evolution:

  • “Like Sean McVay in the mirror... having more physical training camps and building a more physical team.” [11:33]

• On Bears’ Rare Offensive Outburst:

  • “Quite literally, I’ve never seen a game like Sunday... Caleb Williams was clutch, Ben Johnson was in his bag. They were electric, they were exciting...” – J. Mack [33:33]

• Colin on Baseball Dynasties:

  • “Dynasties are great... everybody loves or hates dynasties. They’re polarizing.” [22:22]

• J. Mack’s Cut on Packers:

  • “It’s hard to create an identity. They have lost theirs.” [41:54]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Bills’ Trade Deadline Needs: [03:56–05:23]
• Market Activity/GM Aggression: [05:23–07:42]
• Coaches on the Hot Seat & Dolphins’ “Global Look”: [07:42–10:03]
• League’s Best Teams Analysis: [10:03–12:20]
• Kyler Murray/Arizona QB Future: [13:10–14:42]
• Jets and Breece Hall Trade Talk: [15:03–15:36]
• Dodgers-Blue Jays World Series Recap: [21:06–23:16]
• Bears Offensive Breakthrough & Packers Struggles: [33:11–43:15]

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Tone and Style

The discussion is fast-paced, opinionated, and collaborative, blending insider reporting (Breer), earnest defending of favorite teams (J. Mack, Danny Parkins), and Colin’s classic blend of curiosity and provocation. Sports talk banter and good-natured ribbing keep things energetic and accessible, even when covering complex strategy.

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Conclusion

This episode of The Herd delivers a sweeping look at the NFL trade market as the deadline approaches, highlighting key contenders’ needs and the strategic mindset of rising GMs. The Rams’ physical makeover and the Bears’ offensive jump get special attention, with baseball’s latest World Series serving as a parallel for what makes dynasties and front-office excellence so compelling across pro sports. Listeners leave informed, entertained, and ready for what’s next at the trade deadline.

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And with that we go to Albert Brear. Tomorrow is the NFL trade deadline. Monday morning. Quarterback okay, I said with Buffalo, I really do feel like you dominate in the red zone the time of possession. You're at home and Kansas City's got the ball trailing 28, 21. I do feel like they need something on the perimeter. What are you hearing on the Bills?

[Albert Breer]

Well, they're looking for two things now. The first thing actually is a defensive tackle because Ed Oliver was injured last week and they don't know whether or not they're going to get him back at all. If they do, it'll be during the playoffs and so they have a little bit of a depth issue there. You saw what happened with the Commanders last night. Could maybe they make a call on somebody like Javon Kinlaw? I can see that happening. So I think defensive tackle is their top priority right now, but receivers right behind it. They've made calls on receivers. I think the New Orleans receivers are interesting. So you have Chris Olave and Rashid Shahid there. My sense is they're trying to get a lot of a extended they liked for him to be there long term. Um, and the asking price for Shahid is high. But Shahid does bring something to the table. Colin, that the Bills are lacking, which is an over the top type of weapon that can stretch the defense. He could really weaponize Josh. Josh Allen's arm strength. So would you flip New Orleans a third round pick for Shahid whose contract is up after the year? I think that'd be the question the Bills are asking right now. But they have asked on receivers and again I think the top priority would be defensive tackle.

[Rob Parker]

So the obvious sellers would be the Dolphins. Already have, maybe the Jets, Saints. It does feel like over the last couple years Jets. It does feel like over the last couple years there's more aggressive young gms. Or is this just like it always is?

[Albert Breer]

I mean it's like it always isn't that worth like people like me are throwing around 100 names for like five or six to get traded. So like that's not different than it's ever been. I, I do think there's more discussion and more concepts are thrown around, you know and I do think like that, you know, teams have gotten ahead of this a little bit. You saw Jair Alex Xander traded over the weekend. You know, obviously Jalen Phillips happens today. So like there is a little bit more aggression earlier in the game too. I think we'll see some action tomorrow. Again, I like most of it's going to come down to how far teams are willing to go to get players who may be on expiring contracts or may only have a year and a half left on their deal. So you know, if you want to go down the list, some of the teams I mentioned, the Saints, the receivers are certainly in play. Would they move one of their older defensive players like a Demario Davis? The Dolphins, you know, they trade Jaylen Phillips. Could they trade a Minka Fitzpatrick? I don't think they'll trade Jaylen Waddle.

[J. Mack]

They.

[Albert Breer]

They've basically given teams that have called a no on that one. But if Fitzpatrick could be valuable as a, as a movable piece in your secondary and then I think they still could trade another edge like whether that's Matthew Judon or Bradley Chub. And the jets are really interesting here because the jets can offer up Bree hall, who's in a contract year. I think it took a day two pick to get him. Jermaine Johnson actually has a year and a half left on his deal. I think they'd be much more willing to trade Jermaine than they would Will McDonald. Are you willing to give up a third round pick for Jermaine Johnson? And then Quincy Williams, who's a pretty accomplished linebacker, he'd be available as well. So there are a lot of names floating around. The Titans, they. They've gotten some calls on their edge rushers, Arden Key and Draymond Jones. They're open for business. Calvin Ridley could be available. They're open for business on anybody except probably Jeffrey Simmons or Cam Ward. So there's a lot of that type of discussion right now, and there's aggression in having those discussions, but how many deals that actually results? And that's, you know, always been the trouble this time of year is that you see a lot more discussion than you do action.

[Rob Parker]

You know, it's the NFL. Brian Schottenheimer has overachieved, in my opinion. I mean, Cincinnati without Burrow. I don't think there's a ton of pressure on Zach Taylor. And the Brown family doesn't buy out, you know, coaches.

[Albert Breer]

Yeah.

[Rob Parker]

Is there. I mean, Miami, Mike McDaniel, I threw it out last week. I would consider Lane Kiffin. He's seen half these college quarterbacks. He's recruited him, he's played them. Is there. I mean, do you see a firing coming? Is there. We're talking trade deadline. What is the. It feels like this year it's not as hot, like four teams just. I don't feel like there's a coach in big trouble right now.

[Albert Breer]

Yeah, I mean, I have a hard time seeing the Giants do that mid season. You know, obviously, I think I just don't see it happening in season, after the season. Yeah, that could happen, but I don't think it'll happen during the season. You know, the Dolphins are interesting, and I think the idea here for the Dolphins and Stephen Ross said this in his statement was, is to take a global look at their football operation and not have to do it in the shadows.

[J. Mack]

Right.

[Albert Breer]

That's why they walk away from Chris Greer, who'd been with them for a quarter century, on Friday. So they want to look at the idea of bringing in ahead of football operations. Do they want to the model where that guy's the boss? Do they want a model where the coach is the boss? They'll be able to look at all this now and talk to a lot of people, consult with a lot of different people. You know, ultimately, I think the reason they pulled the trigger on Chris and not Mike here. Steve Ross had heard from a lot of people like Mike McDaniel could wind up being dynamite, you know, if he gets A second shot as a head coach, even if he's done in Miami. And so I think he wanted to be a little bit careful about pulling the trigger on McDaniel. Just, you know, the off chance that maybe they decide to bring in a head of football operations and that guy comes in and decides they want to keep McDaniel. Because I do think that there are a lot of positives to what McDaniel's accomplished over his three plus years in Miami. Still a lot of moving parts there. And I'm not saying an in season firing can't happen there either. I think the barometer would be whether or not he loses the locker room. You know, they do have that trip to Madrid in a couple weeks with a, with a buy on the other end of it. So you never say never. But I don't think the idea would be to, to pull the trigger on my McDan until after the season when they get that full look at football ops.

[Rob Parker]

Who is your best team in the league? Now when you make all these calls and you talk to people around the league who are people impressed with.

[J. Mack]

You.

[Albert Breer]

Know, I think people feel like Kansas City is going to come around now Josh Simmons is back in the building. That was a problem for them yesterday for the first time I think like not having Josh Simmons out there. So I think there's a feeling that Kansas City, once they really get, you know, rolling the offensive lines together, obviously they got Rashi Rice back. Now we know what spags can do on the defensive side of the ball, that they'll be there. You know, Buffalo is another one where like they really got their house in order during their buy. And if you see like look over the last two weeks, right, they really haven't had to, to, to take the Ferrari out of the garage so to speak with Josh Allen, you know, they've run the ball really well. Josh Allen only threw the ball 26 times yesterday, which is a pretty low number. So there's that feeling that Buffalo can win games in different ways. You know, then you got that sort of waiting room in the, in the, in the afc, right? Like you've got the, the, the Colts and the Broncos and the Patriots that are right there. From a standings perspective, can they sustain it? But the team, to me, and I think J. Mac mentioned this, that really looks like they're starting to pick up ahead of steam. Is the LA Rams a pretty complete team, A team with a very good quarterback and, and it's a different looking team too. Colin. Like I. This is, this is very much Like Sean Mc in the mirror over the last couple of years after he had the trouble with the Niners and having more physical training camps and building a more physical team. And you look at how rugged they are up front on both sides of the ball. That offense is really centered more about around Kyron Williams than it is Matthew Stafford at this point. And Stafford doesn't need to be Superman for them to win games. Yet he still has Devonte Adams and Puka Nukua to throw to. So this looks like a team that can win a lot of different types of fights, which is generally what wins in the playoffs. And they're going to be battle tested too. The NFC west. And you look like Arizona is not an easy out. They'll play tonight, right? And then you have a Seattle team that looks like it might be one of the five or six best teams in the league. And San Francisco is really hanging in there with all the injuries they've had. The Rams, to me, look like a team that's very complete and is going to come out of that division battle tested.

[Rob Parker]

I want to. I want to close with this. Cowboys host Arizona. Kyler Murray could play. It's now Brissette's job. It feels like it's come to a conclusion and it was a bad year for smaller quarterbacks. It was Russell Wilson, tua Kyler Murray. You know, it's. This is such a cyclical league. There was this whole thing, get a guy that can run, size doesn't matter. Now you look up and it's like, you know, it's Josh Allen and then it's Herbert and it's a big guys. What's the conclusion of Kyler Murray? Do they move off him? It feels like Gannon's really not interested long term. I mean, Brissette is more the class. Most defensive coaches like a Brissette pocket. Everything's on script. I can control it. Kyre Kyler's more elusive and doing his own thing. What do you make of Kyler Murray and Arizona?

[Albert Breer]

Do you remember all the criticism we all had of Shador Sanders, Right. Like coming out, like where when he bails out of the pocket, he bails out the back of the pocket instead of climbing up in the pocket and where he could create, like, you would see that it would get the offense kind of discombobulated at times. I think that's sort of what you're looking at like on the pro level now with Kyler Murray where they're getting a look at what this looks like now because of the injury With Jacoby Brissette, it was a very average quarterback. A great guy, good guy to have in your locker room, all that, but a very average quarterback. And what are you seeing now? Marvin Harrison is starting to come alive a little bit. Trey McBride starting to come alive a little bit. You're seeing them get more out of the talent they've put into place around the quarterback. Does it mean you're getting a spectacular play from the quarterback? No, but it does kind of bring to life a little bit of what they've built there over the course of, you know, the last two and a half years. And so I certainly think getting a look at what this looks like with just an average quarterback in there does become part of the evaluation. Now, the trouble is the contract, right? Like, they are locked in with guaranteed money for 20, 26. They can't get out of that. So is there a way that you can trade Kyler Murray if you make the decision you want to move off of him after the year? I think that would be the big picture question. But I, I, I, I, I certainly think that that discussion is, is one that'll be had when the season ends in Arizona, presuming that they don't catch fire down the stretch with Kyler Murray in there.

[Rob Parker]

Albert Brer, Monday morning quarterback. Appreciate you stopping by on late notice, my man.

[Albert Breer]

All right, thanks, Colin.

[Rob Parker]

Yeah. Keep your eye on the New Orleans Saints receivers and the Buffalo Bills, among other moves. Breeze hall, maybe New York Jets. Jets need to flush out a lot beyond Breeze Hall. That's just my opinion. I mean, Darnold and Aaron Rodgers reborn.

[Colin Cowherd]

You see what this guy's doing, people? You see what he's doing? He's needling me with the jets trade. Breeze Hall. Listen, when they draft their franchise quarterback, Colin, whether it's Mendoza, Tyson, whoever, they're going to need some pieces around them are going to look like Cam Ward with the Titans. Cam Ward's sitting there with nobody to throw to, nobody. Hand off to disaster. Jets are going to be drafting top five, right? Top three, maybe Top two, you need Breeze hall to hand off to. And Garrett Wilson, Anybody on defense I think is fair game.

[Rob Parker]

Breeze hall and Allen, you know, you had a couple.

[Colin Cowherd]

Braylon Allen. Yeah, a little one, two punch. Thunder and Lightning.

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Cowboys host Arizona tonight. I like Dallas. Dak is a great quarterback at home J Mac is wincing. I don't trust anything with Arizona.

[Colin Cowherd]

How can you trust the Dallas defense? I mean this feels like a three point game. Brandon Aubrey hits from 54 to win it or some nonsense sense, right? I mean Jacobe Brissette remember what he did with the against the Colts a couple weeks ago? This guy can Sling it. He's a veteran.

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[Colin Cowherd]

All right, let's start with Major League Baseball and the Dodgers unbelievable game seven triumph. One of the craziest and best World Series games that I've ever seen. According to Fox Sports PR, Game 7 was the highest rated World Series game since Game 7 in 2017, with 25.9 million viewers across all platforms, peaking at 31.5 million people. Colin. To watch Yamamoto close the door on the Blue Jays.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Can we call this a choke by the Blue Jays? They led the entire game. Or is that just too harsh for a game seven in the middle?

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[Rob Parker]

I don't think it's. But I mean, they, they had. In game six, it was a base running error.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

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That's why the Dodgers went home up 3, 2. And they had a major snafu on the bases in game six. None of the, none of the Jays fans want to talk about that. You open the door, you should have won game six.

[Colin Cowherd]

There are. Are some people complaining that the guy on third base when the bases were loaded didn't have a big enough lead where he missed it by like a quarter of a step. The play at home plate by Rojas.

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Right.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's like, why wasn't he leading off more? But you know, poor Blue Jays, that's a tough one. As for bad for baseball, Colin, I don't totally understand that logic.

[Rob Parker]

That's just envy. It's not bad for baseball.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, dynasties are great. The Chiefs were great. Dynasty. The Yankees were great. The Warriors. Everybody loves or hates dynasties. They're polarizing.

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Right.

[Rob Parker]

Right now the NBA is very international and nobody wins a second title. Yeah, is that. I mean, this number is over. Double what the NBA Finals will get this bay. This, this is probably going to get 28 million. The NBA's not going to get, I doubt 15 million in their game six.

[Colin Cowherd]

If it's Knicks, Lakers, we'll see. It probably won't be, but. And also, this was a Saturday night, which is usually a wasteland for tv. People are out partying. They're, you know, it's Halloween night.

[Rob Parker]

Well, you're competing against college football or.

[Colin Cowherd]

The night after Halloween. Sorry. Yeah, I mean, I went to a Halloween party Saturday and people were going crazy out here in la. Now you come out, you go into the parade after this.

[Rob Parker]

I'm not.

[Colin Cowherd]

You sure?

[Rob Parker]

I don't do parades under any circumstances.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right, Sorry. We Got to pivot to a negative story, and that is the Jaden Daniels injury. I don't know if we're going to show it here on screen. No, we're not. The aftermath, it's just painful. According to reporters, it's it dislocated non throwing elbow. It sounds like his season's probably over, but the Washington commanders haven't announced that Marcus Mariota gets the start. You know, listen, small doses of him is okay, but he's got to start against the Detroit Lions off a loss. Lions off a loss deflated Washington. I saw Lattimore also injured. Sounds like his season's over. Washington shopping their tackles. I saw that from a reporter. I don't know, man. They're cooked. It's over. That's four straight losses. And I think you just got to start playing for next season, right?

[Rob Parker]

Yeah, I think they went into this season. They were so shockingly good last year. You forget they were in the middle of a rebuild. And they're very, very old roster. They loaded up on some contracts.

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Right.

[Rob Parker]

Without paying Jaden and old rosters get hurt and it takes longer to recover. So I think, you know, you got your quarterback, get him healthy, done for the season and go hit on some draft picks.

[Colin Cowherd]

Easier said than done, but they may finish last in the division. I don't know where you are. Jackson Dart is looking plucky. I don't know. Washington could end up with like a top seven pick. I don't know if they're going to win another game. Colin, seriously, like it's that bad for Washington. Final story is. Let's go back to your Bears Bengals game of the day.

[Rob Parker]

What a wild, wild game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Two kind of bad teams playing fun football.

[Rob Parker]

Bears aren't bad. They keep winning games.

[Colin Cowherd]

What's over under on trick plays this weekend against the Giants, Caleb Williams catching two passes like he was all over the place. Nicole should love them play. Unbelievable after the game, though. This is what I love. Chase Brown and Jamar Chase were ticked off about the Bengals defense. I think we're gonna bleep out some of the stuff Chase Brown said, but he was mad. Yeah, here we go.

[J]

We just gotta play complimentary football. Like we put the ball in the end zone and go up a point at the end. Finish the game like this. End it like that's it. Like that's, that's like that's what we need to do. Just end the game. Like make them, make them get us the ball back. Let us go to 22 victory and let's end the game in the fourth quarter. You scored two touchdown touchdowns in like.

[Albert Breer]

A minute of game time.

[Rob Parker]

What goes through your mind when you.

[Albert Breer]

Score that second touchdown and take the lead?

[J]

Defense, get a stop. I'm gonna stay in my lane. I don't want no defensive player come and chew me out about what I'm doing.

[Colin Cowherd]

Wow, the locker room sounds fractured now. Remember Friday during headlines I said keep an eye on teams that are going into the buy. That Cincinnati defense looked like they're headed to the buy. They're celebrating in Cancun right now. We got the bye week. Titans didn't do anything at all. I'm just telling you these teams that are bad going into the buy. Now we're getting into the November. People starting to plan for the off season. This Cincinnati team just screaming like they quit. Well, I know you've been a defender of Zach Taylor, Colin.

[Rob Parker]

Well, it's I defend him because I think it's a frugal, cheap ownership group. Joe Burrow was I just, I think there's such a difference in ownership and front offices in the NFL and I think Zach Taylor is doing the best he can with limitations. It's like you're like, he's a sales guy and the product's not very good and you have there's a million salespeople in America right now that are trying to sell something and the quality of the product is crap and they're good salespeople, but you're limited. And I so I'm not going to beat up on Zach Taylor because I think it's hard to win here.

[Colin Cowherd]

So are you bringing him back next year?

[Rob Parker]

Yeah, why not? Offensive guy Burrow likes him. Somebody on this show has to have patience.

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Wow.

[Colin Cowherd]

I can't believe endorsing Zach Taylor. Bengals fans are ready to run him out of town now. Now, I was trying to do that.

[Rob Parker]

Two years ago between Mondami and Zach Taylor.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, we got politics in final hour. Let's go.

[Rob Parker]

J. Mac with the news.

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Well, they are throwing a World Series dynasty parade in Los Angeles. In fact, not only are they throwing the parade today in Los Angeles, but they're already scheduling next year's. They want to be ahead of the curve. So Dave Roberts on top of the bust. We have some video for the less fortunate baseball fans to growl over the Los Angeles Dodgers back to back World Series champs, got Rams championships, Lakers championships, back to back Dodgers championships. And now somebody who's been a tad less fortunate with his teams, Danny Parkins joining us from New York. Co host first things first, but here's the good news. You can count on one hand in the last decade the times a Bears fan could say I love our offense and what a mess in Green Bay. You must love that Cincinnati game. I'll be honest, now I get Ben Johnson's tricks. Caleb's not being sacked. They're starting to look like a functional operation, are they not?

[J. Mack]

They definitely are. Thank you for that intro. I think. I think there was a compliment wrapped up in there somewhere.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[J. Mack]

Literally Colin in my life, the Bears, when they have allowed 35 or more. They have not won a football game since I turned 22. October of 2008 was the last time the Bears won a game where they allowed 35 or more. And that was the first time in the history of their franchise they won a game allowing 42 or more. So quite literally, I've never seen a game like Sunday. And yes, a huge piece of that is the Bengals defense and the Bengals defense without Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals defense looking like they've quit on the season. But I don't care. Caleb Williams was clutch, Ben Johnson was in his bag. They were electric, they were exciting, and we can zoom out if you want beyond that game. Caleb Williams is good and he is improving. And at this point, I think that's undeniable.

[Rob Parker]

Yeah, I mean, I talked to some NFL people yesterday and they're like, listen, we still like Ben more than Caleb. But I. The one thing, I've always defended Caleb on high school, college and pros, he doesn't throw interceptions. He just doesn't. And a lot of great quarterbacks like Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck do. So now he'll hold the ball. Some of that maybe. He's so gifted, he's like, I'm not going to throw it, I'm going to run it. Are you satisfied with playing within structure? We both know he's got a ton of horsepower, but do you see growth?

[J. Mack]

Undeniably. I think that it would have been nice if Ben Johnson was there for him as a rookie, but he wasn't. You know, he had to go through firing Matt Eberfluss and firing Shane Waldron in the whole fiasco of last year. But they upgraded the offensive line, they upgraded his weapons, they upgraded his coach, who happened to also be his play caller. And he's seeing growth. You mentioned the sacks. He has what, 14 sacks taken in eight weeks. He took 68 sacks last year. I don't need to give you anything else beyond that. And it's improvement. And all of the plays that he made are not the crazy spin around, backwards, laser arm type of things like some of them are. He still has that, but it's like a baseball pitcher. You want to work off of your fastball. For a quarterback, the fastball is playing in structure, playing in an offense, playing on time. Caleb's getting better at that. And then he has the ability to do those other things. It's going around social media now. You go watch the all 22 version of that throw to Loveland. That ended up being the game winning touchdown. It looked open on the TV broadcast, it wasn't. That is a needle throw with three defenders around Colston Loveland that he throws on the back shoulder intentionally. Because if he leads him, he's leading it into a safety. Like Caleb's a gamer. That's his third come from behind drive in the fourth quarter in his last five games. So is he perfect or a finished product? Far from it. But he's really talented and he's getting better week by week.

[Rob Parker]

So I was saying this, watching the Chiefs last night. There is a way to beat Mahomes when he's uncomfortable. Couple super bowl blowout losses last night, he gets hit 15 times. Now Josh Simmons is back in the facility, left tackle. He'd been out for personal reasons. That's a big deal. But my take was strangely, maybe I said, you know, Buffalo dominates time of possession. Perfect in the red zone. Hit Mahomes 15 times from beginning to end. The better team. And Mahomes had the ball going for the tying touchdown. Like, I'm, like, I know Kansas City's 5 and 4. That's not what the score should have been. Am I being too. Am I being too anti Buffalo? I think they need another receiver, a defensive lineman. Like, I'm like, guys, it can't be 28, 21. When I look at the box score, it looks like 35, 13.

[J. Mack]

Listen, McDermott choosing to kick that field goal at the end of the game is so insane and indefensible. Like pooch. Punt it down. What are you doing? I have no like that. That is an inexplicable decision that made that game feel even more apparent. Like Mahomes getting two chances at the end zone at the end is crazy embarrassing for McDermott and game management. But I don't love the analysis that people seem to have boxed us into where it's like, well, the Bills need to prove they can beat the Chiefs in January, so the Bills beating the Chiefs in November means nothing. Then why, Then why did I watch? Why do I spend three and a half hours watching? Because, like right now, if the season ended, the Chiefs would not be in the playoffs. Denver won again. The Chargers won again. The Chiefs are in third place. Do I think they're better than those teams? Of course I do. Do I understand why they get the benefit of the doubt? Of course. I give it to them all the time. They were number one on my top 10 teams list heading into this game. But Buffalo was number three. Like Buffalo also to me deserved benefit of the doubt from that two game blip. And if you're struggling to give credit to Buffalo. Give it to their defense because coming into that game it was the worst rush defense that McDermott had ever had. And even though their past numbers were pretty good, Drake may carve them up and Lamar Jackson carved them up, there was an expectation that the Chiefs were going to be able to get whatever they wanted whenever they wanted. They had scored 28 or more in five straight games and the Bills held Patrick Mahomes to the worst completion percentage game of his career, the third worst passer rating game of his career, and held the Chiefs to 21 points. Like that. Bill's defense, I thought made the statement of the weekend.

[Rob Parker]

So you're a baseball fan and a Cubs fan and you know the sport very well. And I've said is that it's not just about money because Steve Cohen has more money than anybody. If you look at the NFL, the New York teams are terrible. Green Bay is always viable. So and those New York teams have massive game day revenue. It's always been about how do you spend the money. Plenty of rich people aren't, you know, are broke 10 years later. So I look at the Dodgers, but I'm and I look at it and I think Miggy Rojas, the outfielder, I mean yes, they went and spent on Yoshi, there's no denying that. But there is a quality to this team that they have, you know, your Will Smith and old, you know Rojas and the center fielder making a catch in left as a late replacement. They do a lot of that stuff. It's a, I've said before, it's the best run organization in any city I've ever lived in. They let go of Corey Seger. They let go of Trey Turner. I mean Corey Seeger is the best, I think he's the best Rangers player. Trey Turner won the National League crown. They let Manny Machado walk. They let Zach Grinke go. Like they don't sign everybody, they sign the right guys. How do you view, I mean Milwaukee is a great example. Lost their manager and gm. They got better. Like there is something about culture. How do you. Because Ricketts has money in Chicago but a smaller game day revenue with the stadium. How do you view the Dodgers and their money and wealth?

[J. Mack]

Well, it's a combination of things, right? Like two things can be true. They have the best local TV deal in sports. So they have the most revenue in the sport, which is a competitive advantage that they also take advantage of really? Well. Like Andrew Friedman is arguably and maybe inarguably now the best executive in the game. Like he could do it with no budget and then he has the best budget. The Dodgers are the best of both worlds to your point. They develop a great farm system and they signed the top end talent. So they're the best organization that happens to have the most resources in all of baseball. I just thought, you know, baseball is so great at moments, it's so great at drama. The 162 can be mundane at times because we struggle to attach any sort of significance to one game. But these playoffs were great. And the fact that Yamamoto can have the complete game in game two, have a good game in game six, and then come back in game seven and do what he did, it's on the short list. I'd put it right there with Madison Baumgartner In 2014, Baumgartner threw out 24 innings one game one, one game five, and then had a five inning save in game seven with a four ERA. It's one of the great World Series pitching performances in the history of the sport. And I don't know how you ever recover from it. If you're a Blue Jays fan, you have the 18 inning game, you got outfielders colliding with each other, you got to play at the plate that you need the Zapruder film to analyze. Vlad thought you could have thought the ball was gone off the bat. The double play to end it with game six, it was just losing game six and game seven at home. Just absolutely sick for Blue Jays fans. And then the Dodgers, as the best run organization in the sport, gets to keep the trophy.

[Rob Parker]

Yeah, circling back. I'm not saying you're tickled by it, but it is rare when the Bears offense is fourth in the league and the packers are completely lost.

[J. Mack]

I'm tickled by it. You could say it. I'll take it.

[Rob Parker]

I said it earlier. They have no identity. I have no idea what the offense is. You watched. If you watch the Bears most, you watch the packers second. I can't figure out what they are offensively. It's hard to create an identity. They have lost theirs. What are they?

[J. Mack]

Yeah. The running game is not what it was last year, which is a weird thing given Matt LaFleur and how much he wants to run the ball. Like Jacobs has just not been as effective. Jordan Love is very, very good. Clearly. And I do find that very annoying that packers fans get to go from Favre to Rodgers to Love. I feel like they deserve 20 years of Mitch Stromisky. But I'll remove my biases from it. But Jordan Love still makes inexplicable throws, like the interception against Cleveland lost him a game. It was terrible. His interception against Cincinnati in the red zone took points off the board. Interception in this spot was bad. Should have thrown a pick six where he rolled left, brought the whole defense left, thrown it, threw it right. I knew Dobbs was out the back of the end zone. McManus, their kickers getting booed at home like they can't stop the run. They were the one seed heading into the week, and I still don't really think they're all that good. They're good, they're talented, they'll probably make the playoffs, but I think they're just good enough to make a crucial mistake, the divisional round of the playoffs. And I just can't get all the way there yet on Jordan Love.

[Rob Parker]

How'd your picks do this weekend.

[J. Mack]

Colin? Are we out of time yet? I went 1 and 2. It's very. It's very frustrating. I go 3 and O, then I go 1 and 2 and then I go 2 and 1 and then I go, oh, and 3. I just can't seem to get any margin for error between me and 500 this year. It's very frustrating. But I'm still beating Nick Wright, which is really what matters.

[Rob Parker]

Frankly, we're all happy about that. That's a company, a referendum. Beat Nick Wright.

[Danny Parkins]

Absolutely.

[Rob Parker]

Daddy park is great seeing you, bud.

[J. Mack]

Congrats on the hall of Fame, Colin. No one more deserving.

[Rob Parker]

Oh, thank you so much, Danny. I appreciate that. And I shook a lot of hands and because of it, I'm sick. But I'm fine. We're gonna do okay here. I have been knocking down that turmeric and weren't you.

[Colin Cowherd]

Weren't you pivoting to fist bumps after Covid? Didn't you start, stop shaking hands and start fist bumping?

[Rob Parker]

My wife predicted it. She said, you're gonna get sick. She said you just wiped your nose, somebody shook your hand. It's what happened. Whatever, who cares? I'm telling you, you and I, last night, watching Seattle, impressive, it really, you know, and the other thing people forget, I watched Arch Manning this weekend. He was very good people. People are like, well, I mean, he wasn't good early. You have to remember college football seasons now. J. Mac are like, can be 14 games there. I mean, it used to be College football is 11 games. Now it's like 14.

[Colin Cowherd]

But the thing about Seattle, so they win 10 games last year and they decide, eh, we don't like where we're going. We don't like the trajectory. Let's trade our quarterback. Right. They get rid of Geno Smith and let's get off DK Metcalf and they're.

[Rob Parker]

Better Colin and Tyler Lockett.

[Colin Cowherd]

Impressive. So Minnesota won a lot of games last year with Darnold and they decided we're going to change it up and it's not going as smooth.

[Rob Parker]

Well, I think these decisions are hard. I think, I think Seattle liked EK Metcalf, but he had been a bit high maintenance. And also you have to remember they had seen JSN the year before. They get to see practice. You know, a lot of these organizations, they get stuff that we don't see. So you're like, oh, is JSN A1? Well, John Snyder and his staff clearly in the off season said he was great as a rookie. He's a one so we can move off him. So we as much homework as you and I do, we're not watching Seahawk practice film. So Seattle obviously saw JSN and went, oh, this kid is inches away. If we could get him a more. A better deep ball thrower and a better quarterback. And Darnold's better than Geno, featuring him.

[Colin Cowherd]

More this year as opposed to last year. So remember in the NBA Kentucky guards pop in the NBA Ohio State receivers a Booka. I mean he looks like a nickel number one.

[Rob Parker]

Oh no, those guys. And they got two of them this year. Yeah, they got to have two other receivers. You know that Harrison in Arizona has been the disappointment. Everybody else is over delivered at all Ohio State. All right, we're done for the day. First things first, on a Monday. Little gloomy for old Nick.

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