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Rachel Nichols
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Colin Cowherd
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Rachel Nichols
Yes. I have a whole list for you
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Colin Cowherd
and I because of the heritage of my family, if you ever go to London, nobody knows Hyde park, nobody knows Kensington like I do. So we'll have to.
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Rachel Nichols
We'll do an exchange.
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Jeff Agoos
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
We'll share it.
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Rachel Nichols
It'll be great. I like, by the way, Harry Kane sounding like I did with you a couple weeks ago. Remember, it's good again. It' the throaty voice. It's all in there.
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Colin Cowherd
So I kind of figured LeBron loved LA, he'd suck it up. But what happened is interesting. I'm reading Ramona Shelburne, who does a great job, and I'm reading this morning about, basically, LeBron kind of said, yeah, I'm getting the vibe here and this is not how it's going to end. Were you surprised that. And again, I'll take LeBron and Rich Paul's word for it. LeBron got the vibe this wasn't going to be his swan song. And he just kind of, he just kind of said, I'm out. I don't wanna talk. Do you buy that? And are you surprised?
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Rachel Nichols
I'm not surprised because we see this go in these directions a lot in the NBA and we've even seen it before in LeBron's career where it just, you know, the end of him in Miami felt a little bit like this too. Like they did want him back. They were chasing him around Las Vegas trying to get a meeting with him. But there was just the vibe was off and you could tell. And LeBron felt the vibe was off and he ended up going back to Cleveland. So we've seen it before. What does make me sort of roll my eyes a little bit is that whether it's the LeBron situation, whether it's the Jaylen Brown, you know, I do a Sports Illustrated podcast and I said a few weeks ago, I was like, these men won't talk to each other. Like, get in a room, get with a sports psychologist, have a conversation, don't let anyone out until they at least talk to each other. And if LeBron and the Lakers have been sort of forced to talk to each other instead of what looked like from the outside, this game of chicken, well, I'm not gonna call you. Well, I'm not gonna call you. You call me, and if you show me how interested I am, I'm not gonna call you. It's just the Jaylen Brown, the way it blew up. And I know we're about to talk about that, too. Just get in a room and talk to each other. And look, it may be the same outcome. LeBron might leave the Lakers, Jalen Brown might not be on the Celtics anymore. But it is a little bit from my perspective sometimes. I was like, man, can't these boys just talk to each other? Because it does feel like that sometimes.
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Jeff Agoos
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And I. And I said this. They let Rui go, and they let Marcus Smart and LeBron go. All additive players. Analytics tell you all additive, but I did kind of feel the Walker Kessler move was, we're going to improve the roster composition. We're going to get big, we're going to get wide, were going to get younger. And I don't think it makes them better today, but it does feel. The Dodgers ownership came in and like, they're like, listen, you guys are playing a game of redundancy. Let's just get the roster. Let's get it big, let's get wider, let's get more three. So as I look at the Dodgers, I don't know if the Buss family, it did matter to Jeannie. She's so connected in LA, being liked, not offending. There was a lot of LeBron fans, like, I understand Jeannie was always sort of like, hey, guys, there's a way to do business. My father started this. I took the baton. Not that the Dodger owners are cold, but the Dodgers, the capitalization, the money they have, they are very. Bottom line, Rachel, they'll let stars go. And I felt like I'm not sure this move could have happened with previous ownership. That's how it felt for me.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah. I mean, Jeanie Buss was very open to the fact about the fact that she'd like to continue her father's legacy in a lot of ways. And one of them was Jerry Buss loves stars. And so the Lakers had always been in Jeannie's entire life about who are the stars we have on the court, how Many can we get? And Dodgers obviously have a ton of stars on that team, but they haven't built the team that way. And you're seeing. You're seeing a little bit of that influence here for sure. However, you're also seeing Luka Doncic's influence because Walker Kessler is exactly the kind of player that he has been asking for, and by this summer, you could even say demanded. I mean, it wasn't him doing that, you know, stomping his fist on the table, but it was very clear that the clock had run out on the Lakers for doing this. They had the failed Mark Williams deal, remember, last year, and they had to get the best available guy they could. And that turned out to be a trade for Walker Kessler, which, frankly, they overpaid a little bit for. But that's why you can't really judge these trades next to each other. It's about finding. It's like selling a house. You just need to find one buyer who's desperate for what your house looks like, and if nobody else wants to buy it, it doesn't matter. So everyone's saying about the Jaylen Brown trade, Ugh. Desmond Bain went for way more than him. Walker Kessler went for way more than him. It's because the Lakers had this need. Luka Doncic coming back to Los Angeles this fall without a rim running big, who he could throw lobs to, and the whole thing, that would have been a disaster. So they had to make the deal. And that, by the way, then limited them. Limited them with some of the other deals they've made. I'm very curious with this late her roster, how quickly they gel because they don't have a ton of room left in the roster machinations and the money and the contracts to improve during the season, which is typically something they do.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, listen, Jalen Brown got caught. The Celtics are the most analytically driven franchise, and they just are. And he's not a great analytic player. He's a great player, not analytic player. I also think if he made 20 million less, it would be different. But when two players clog up 70% of the cap, then for a franchise that is completely formulaic and beholden to analytics and. And then all of a sudden, you had the personality stuff where, this is my favorite season ever. How much do you think? I mean, because I read the athletic story and they said finances were not the issue, and I'm like, oh, okay, so it's all chemistry, right? Like, I mean, how shocked were you by it? And what do you make of it.
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Rachel Nichols
I was very surprised that this was the deal they took and that they felt they had to take it right now. And that obviously gives you insight into just how much the other issues were an issue. Right. Because they could have waited around for a better deal than this. The Sixers were trying to get off Paul George and have been trying to for a long time. And what they were offering other teams wasn't so different than what they offered the Celtics. Except this time they got Jaylen Brown back. They were always going to have to attach a pick to that Paul George contract. It's considered one of the worst contracts in the entire league. So for them to give up one of the worst contracts in the entire league with at least one of the first round picks, they thought they were going to have to give up for it anyway. Throw in another pick and you get Jaylen Brown. I mean, it's an incredible deal for the Sixers. It doesn't make sense of why would the Celtics do this now? There's no deadline and it's got to be some of those other issues.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, I. I almost thought this is that the Brad Stevens looked at VJ Edgecomb who. Who thinks he's a one and probably not yet, but he's a year out. Matt Tyrese Maxey is a one and beads a one. Jaylen Brown thinks he's a one. And in a weird way, it was Brad Stevens saying, let we're struggling just with Tatum and Brown.
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Rachel Nichols
Two of these guys.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. Because VJ Edgecomb is a fast rising star. So you have three guys minimum. Maybe four.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
That view themselves as. I get the last shot. I know this sounds crazy and conspiratorial, but I. I honestly think Brad looked at it and thought we can't get the Tatum Brown thing right and he likes us.
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Rachel Nichols
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
They've got four guys who are number. Like, I would not be shocked if the Sixers, they're not moving off Edgecomb or Maxey that I know and beat. If they could, they would. But I wonder if that's part of it. Like, guys, good luck with this.
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Rachel Nichols
It would not be the most sinister rumor that is circulated between the Celtics and the Sixers. And we've seen them do some pretty nasty things to each other. So it's not crazy off base. Colin. I'm not saying that. But look, I mean, Boston got worse. There's just no question about it. After this trade, they got worse on paper and maybe just internally, we don't know that they anticipated so much locker room conflict coming this fall that they said even though we got worse on paper, you guys don't even know the half of it, how much worse we would have been if we had stuck with what we had. So I guess that's the decision they made. I mean, it's kind of the only answer left for why they did what they did. I do think who gets the ball in Philly is going to be something they're going to have to work out, but Boston's going to have to figure out how to then make up for some of the things it's not going to all be. Well, Jayson Tatum can do everything Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown used to do. They've got to figure out more of that.
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Colin Cowherd
Let's go back to LeBron. I think LeBron, there's a certain mosaic that LeBron looks at. He looks at his career, if not, if not a piece of art, but he looks at it as a book. And there was the Cleveland years, championship in Miami, return home, L.A. was business. Ramona Shelburne said that today. It was transactional. It was not a love affair. These were not high school sweethearts. Lakers were a mess when he went there, a mess. He wanted out of the Kuzma business. Josh Hart, Lonzo Ball, like, they didn't have the coach, they didn't have the roster, they didn't have the experience. So it was always a transactional relationship. And I could see LeBron just the way he's built his empire going. I started in Cleveland, I won him a title. One more year to end it. It closes out the book. It's a nice. The first chapter, the middle chapter, the last chapter is Akron. I can see him choosing that. Whether or not he loves the fact that Donovan Mitchell and James Harden don't defend, but it closes the mosaic of his career. Your thoughts?
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah, I mean, there's no question it would do that. And LeBron is very cognizant of how people think of him. So Cleveland does feel like a natural choice for a lot of people. And that's why you get these reports of people around the league think it's Cleveland's race to lose, or people around the league think he's going to Cleveland. I am here to tell you, nobody around the league knows you talk to people around the league, and this is all the same conversation you and I just had. It's, oh, wouldn't it be interesting if LeBron went back to Cleveland? I mean, it makes sense, right? I mean, storybook ending. There we go. Those are the conversations. No one's Having the conversation, at least not with me and not with any of the other reporters I've talked to. Of, oh, we've heard intel. LeBron's going back to Cleveland. It's a good story. It is unclear whether that will be enough for him. I know you guys talked last week about the Rich Paul whiteboard. I thought that that was an absolutely fascinating thing that Rich Paul did here. And it's interesting he went through each lineup. The things that, to me, were the biggest tip off is it's only in the very corner there, I think this way right here, that just says Stephen Dre. Like, that's it. There's just a little notation that says Stephen Dre. Everybody else gets a full lineup of sort of what we would do and how. And by the way, underneath that, I don't know if you can see, it says Dallas Mavericks. And the first advantage that they list of the Dallas Mavericks and LeBron going there isn't Kyrie Irving. It's oil. That says oil. It says oil and Macau, because the new ownership there is ties to Macau and then golf. And I mean, it's just a hilarious. Oil. Oil would be the reason. So that tells me that the Mavericks are probably not in this race. And I'm very curious whether this up here, having this just be like Stephan Dre, just as a little scrawl is a fake out of Rich Paul, whether it's sort of him saying, ah, that's the only reason, but here are the real teams. It's pretty fascinating when you look at his thinking.
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Colin Cowherd
I also think I watched video of LeBron dancing at an Akron nightclub, and my take was I've seen pictures of him online over the last 48 hours. He's happy, he's smiling, he's with normal citizens. And it's like there is a comfort level. He's not doing that necessarily. He's with himself or maybe with family, but there's not a bunch of NBA players. It's kind of LeBron at an Akron nightclub. And part of me thought, you know, when you make these decisions, and I've moved a bunch of times, and you've moved a bunch of. When you make these decisions, it's kind of fascinating. Like, what is on that yellow piece of paper when you write down the pros and cons? And I watch it, and I'm like, boy, he looks really comfortable there. He looks comfortable in Akron.
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Rachel Nichols
Look, everybody has made the point that in one of those, like, pictures that really made its way through the Internet, Brandon Weems, who is one of his best childhood friends and has been since I met both of them when they were still in high school. He is now an executive, a high ranking executive in the Cavaliers front office. This is a guy who, by the way, who paid his dues. I mean he has definitely worked almost everywhere and made it to be this respected voice at the top of an NBA organization. And he happens to be one of LeBron's bestest friends in the entire world. That to me speaks almost more to why LeBron would pick Cleveland than the storybook, just because he feels like somebody would be looking out for him in the front office. Another comment we've heard from Rich Paul over the last week has been this is about LeBron's basketball happiness. I have been talking to you, Colin, for months now about what the lakers could offer LeBron and I kept saying to you it's not about the money. I don't think the money is a huge deal. He's a billionaire. It's about the role. Will that role really make him happy? I said to you, hey, a month is one thing in March to scrape on the floor for loose balls, but is he really going to want to do that for the whole season? That is still why I think LeBron is taking some time to make this decision. And I think that is really one of the biggest reasons that he ended up walking away from the Lakers was he wants to have fun playing basketball again and being the third option is not fun for LeBron James. So I think when we try to read tea leaves of what he is going to do, one of the biggest things is will he have a good time? And part of it is the group of guys in Akron that you just saw in all those videos and pictures. But part of it is how much will I play? How will I get to play? What will I get to do out there? Because you know what? He didn't like losing in the playoffs the way the Lakers did this spring, but he liked the way he got to play. That was fun.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Rachel Nichols, Fox Sports NBA analyst, Good seeing you as always.
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Rachel Nichols
Great to see you.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
Kobe Jones, Rachel Nichols, Jeff Agus, former United States men's national team member, will be joining us before the end of the hour. Tonight it's Belgium. Goosebumps time. Biggest match history of United States Men's national team soccer. That's not overstating it. The Baligan suspension lifted. That adds a dimension to it of controversy and glare. Can't wait. J. Mac with the news.
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Rachel Nichols
No, no, no, turn on the news.
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Jason McIntyre
This is the Herd line news. All right, let's go one more time back to Mexico. England last night just the match of the century and Jude Bellingham was the hero con this kid is. He's an unbelievable talent. 23 years old and said afterward that it was the basically the greatest match of his life with England. Here he is talking about how it ecstatic he was after scoring two goals against Mexico.
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Jude Bellingham
Never been proud of a group of lads, a squad, a nation. You know, I was saying in some of the interviews I've done before it was a country's performance. It felt like everything I've seen this week is the country behind us. All we've talked about this week is how difficult it's going to be in an unbelievable atmosphere against a very, very Good team. So to get this win is, is, is the best night of my England career so far for sure.
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Colin Cowherd
How about that?
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Jason McIntyre
He was so good. I mean, he was all over the field, played the entire match, was exhausted, cried on the pitch afterward, and they were serenading him as you played earlier, Jude Bellingham and this guy, he's special, Colin. I mean, honestly, he right now just a hero in England. All right, let's pivot to the NBA real quick. I don't know if you saw this over the weekend. It's rare when the voice of reason when it comes to all the ugly stuff that's happening with the NBA salary cap is Kyle Kuzma. Colin Kuzma said one of the smartest things and people are loving it online right now. He really ripped the NBA and the salary cap. And you've talked about this for years. You're winning a championship and you have to tear down your team because of the second apron. It's really not good for the league. Here's his exact quote, Colin. Teams are no longer making purely basketball decisions. They're making fear based apron decisions. That means good players get squeezed, homegrown cores get broken up, fan favorite teams lose their identity. Colin, he talked about nostalgia. Listen, the NBA wanted this. Gone are the days of dynasties where the Showtime Lakers stay together and the Celtics, Pistons, Bulls.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, you give and you get. Adam Silver doesn't want dynasties. But what's happened with the second apron is, you know, like, like the Nuggets have wanted to be loyal to Jokic and Murray. They were beloved and they, and the Bucks wanted to be loyal to Middleton and Giannis because they were beloved and. But the reality is you can't, you have to move off quickly. I mean, you even see it with Oklahoma City now that Wemby, they draft another center, they're going to move off some bench guys. My guess is they'll shop J Dub at some point. Probably. I'm, I'm, you know, Lou Dort, does he come back? So, so, you know, I think I've always thought the NBA is a little paralyzed by dynasties. Like they're not, they're not terrible for sports. I mean, if you take the KD goes to the warriors out, most of them, the Bulls dynasty, Shaq and Kobe. I mean, I guess Shaq and Kobe had this vibe too. It's like sometimes star players, there's places they want to live, there's places they want to go. So I don't know. I think, think the current NBA is eight champs in eight years. The Knicks have done a pretty good job with their roster where they get Drummond after losing Mitchell Robinson. So it's mostly overwhelmingly the same type of team. But it's hard. You get about two years with a group, and if you don't win it in that group. And that's why I think that's what the Celtics are saying is, listen, we couldn't compete with good teams last year. Tatum, they've been together nine years. Tatum now already has an injury or two. What happens if Brown gets banged up like Jaylen Brown now is a primary asset. That's why when you look at what they got for him, you're like, bro, if you're going to send him off, if you're going to break it up, you got to get more than Paul George and picks that. Yeah, sending him off isn't the problem. What they got in return is.
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Jason McIntyre
I mean, think about it. Karl Malone and Stockton played together in Utah forever. They were always getting a chance. They were in the mix.
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Colin Cowherd
Hard to do.
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Jason McIntyre
Didn't. Didn't win it. And it's like, I don't like that teams are having to do this. I don't know if you saw the report, the Nuggets, if they want to keep Peyton Watson, who's like, fine, he's nothing special. They're looking at a major luxury tax bill. $170 million, Peyton Watson, or they're going to have to move off Braun. It's just. I don't love it, Colin. I don't think this is good for the league. All right, final story is back to the World Cup. Obviously, America is all in on the World cup and things are going so great. But the problem is they're running out of jerseys around the country. Nike is planning on manufacturing more jerseys due to shortages. Now, listen, when the US when the US Takes down Belgium tonight, they're gonna. People are gonna be going crazy for Friday's game against Spain. Okay? And I. I don't know if they can produce the jerseys in time, but they claim that they are targeting cities that are hosting matches. So obviously New York will get more jerseys.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Louisiana. Has a game Friday, a couple games in the Midwest. The World cup is really. America, let me tell you something, embraces the Cowherd Grotto.
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Colin Cowherd
We're gonna buy a half dozen just for our family. So it's. It's cooking, baby.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, what's your number one jersey target? What are you wearing tonight, by the way? T shirt, jersey. What's the move?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I. I sit home and I,
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Jason McIntyre
you know, USA T shirt at home.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I've got USA shoes but I you know, I I when I get the minute I hit home, bro, I I, I scale down sweats and a T shirt. Yeah, that's pretty much it.
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Jason McIntyre
I need my Sergino Dest jersey. I I love me some dest J
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Colin Cowherd
Mack with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for
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Jason McIntyre
stopping by the Herd LIE news Jeff
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Colin Cowherd
Agus of the United States Men's National Team formerly is going to be joining us next. Be sure to catch live editions of
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Jason McIntyre
the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9:00am Pacific.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
be at the game. He's currently in Seattle. Two time World cup appearance for US in 98 and 2002. A defender US National Team hall of Famer inducted back in 2009. Jeff A. Vegas is now joining us live. And again, I was talking to him during the break. This is the one team I allow myself to be a fan and I got a pit in my stomach. I mean I really do. It's really funny. So let me ask you, when you go to the game tonight, what is it like to have been a part of this? Your soul's in deep in this program and you can't contribute other than being a fan. Is it? Where does it take you Emotionally?
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Jeff Agoos
It's the most helpless feeling in the world. You know As a player, you could impact the outcome in a night 90 minutes match. But as a fan, as somebody who cares deeply about the sport and who's been in U.S. soccer for a long, long time, all you want is them to win and move on and do well. And that's what we hope is going to happen here today.
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Colin Cowherd
Belgium is over. We're in our kind of our 13 players, our golden generation. And this happened, Jeff, you know this. I mean, England's had droughts, Germany got old. Belgium feels to me like it's kind of aged. The game is a coin flip, it is a pick em. Should it be? I kind of feel in Seattle, this is our night. I say that cautiously. How do you feel?
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Jeff Agoos
Yeah, look, I think we've got a ton of talent on the US team. We've got players who have a lot of experience from Qatar. In 2022, Belgium was a golden generation. It's aging. You know, they went into extra time in their last game, which may impact the second half or if it does go into extra time. So I think there's a lot of advantage and you can't discount the Pacific Northwest and Seattle. It's going to be rocking here. So I think it's going to be a great opportunity, great setting. You couldn't ask for anything better than to have this game in Seattle here against Belgium. A real opponent, real stakes. I'm really looking forward to it.
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Colin Cowherd
I've always kind of had a theory on life of my many which is get it right, don't worry about being right. And the advantage to the World cup is you have long periods in between games. I did not like the red card. I don't think VAR is supposed to be used for the purpose. It's mostly about offside, not offside, goal, not goal. It's not about contact or intensity. So I thought they misused it. So I didn't have a problem overturning it. I thought it was a bad call. And the advantage of the World cup, it's not baseball. You don't have a game tomorrow, you have time. How did it land for you?
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Jeff Agoos
Well, it's highly unusual to have a red card overturned. But in saying that FIFA has a stringent disciplinary process, they review the evidence. I'll be very candid. I would have loved to have that same review my red card when I got a red card against Mexico in 1997 in a world cup qualifier. But this is really going to bolster U.S. efforts to have flow in the game and to be the striker, the number nine. And it's really going to be a huge boost for the team.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, it's funny, we talk about the golden generation, but Flo is just another player that will absolutely be in his prime. You could argue he's just a little bit pre prime. When you first saw him, did you. Was your guess when you heard about him choosing us over England, was this what it was going to look like or is he better than you thought?
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Jeff Agoos
No, I think he's as good as what was anticipated or offered. He is a real striker, a real nine. And you know, I don't think we've had somebody like flo since Brian McBride back when I was playing. And so to see somebody who is dangerous around the goal, who can score on half chances, that's something I think the US has been missing. And it's a real boost to have him in the lineup.
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Colin Cowherd
I've always thought Pulisic is more Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan. He can score, but he's really a playmaker. And to me, what's been fascinating about this United States team in the cup is, you know, Pulisic has not had that many shots on goal yet. We've never been more dynamic offensively. I feel like sometimes we ask too much of him to be a scorer and again he can. But I feel like flow allows Pulisic to be a truer version of himself. Does that make sense?
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Jeff Agoos
Yeah, look, I think flow takes a lot of the pressure off players like pulisic, like McKinney, to have to produce. And this is a team sport. This is not going to come down to an individual, but an individual is going to make a difference at both ends of the of the field today of defensive and offensive. You hope it's going to be flow scoring the goal and you hope it's going to be somebody like Tim Ream or Matt Fries making a difference in the defensive side. These types of games come down to one or two plays on each side of the field. And we hope that it's going to
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Colin Cowherd
be in our advantage today watching that environment and as Tech, I mean, Jude Bellingham, Harry Kane were the two best players on the pitch. I don't think that's dispute. I mean, they're just great. I mean they've scored 10 of 11 England goals at the Cup. But did it take you back to moments playing in these kind of environments that is, I mean I forever. I mean Mexico, usa, that's our primary rival. It should be. It's been intense. Did it take you back to a place emotionally in your career?
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Jeff Agoos
I gotta Tell you, playing in Azteca is special. One of the hardest places to play. Just playing Mexico there don't even account for the altitude, the smog, the heat. It is one of the most voracious places you can play in any part of the world. England, I think, matched that effort. I think they did a fantastic job and sort of the game model and they came out with the win. And it's no small thing to say that they went down to Mexico City and got the job done. Now that we're the only North American team remaining, we want to take that and continue the stretch and be real hosts and representatives of the World cup. And hopefully this continues past Belgium.
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Colin Cowherd
Jeff Agus joining us. Hall of Famer. I look at Messi. I want to talk about Messi. Some athletes age better. Brady obviously age well. Are you surprised, Messi? And maybe it's just he's so technically superior. Are you surprised he's still this dominant at his age?
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Jeff Agoos
It's a little surprising at 39 that he's having such an impact on the world stage. A real boon for Major League Soccer to have him at Inter Miami. I think it speaks for the maturity of the league. But for Messi to have the same type of impact he's had 4, 8, 12 years ago is absolutely incredible. Especially when you talk about the players like Mbappe and Haaland who are leading goal scorers in the World Cup. It's just amazing what he can do at this age.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, what do we think tonight, Jeff? What do we think?
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Jeff Agoos
I'm going to go with a 21 win over Belgium. Belgium. I think, as I said before, I think we're going to get an early goal like we've had before. If we can really put a lot of pressure on Belgium and get an early goal, I think it'll really help us. But I'm going to go to one.
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Colin Cowherd
I try not to be envious of others, but the opportunity to be in Seattle tonight is just unbelievable. Have the time of your life, Jeff. Thank you.
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Jeff Agoos
Thank you. I'm looking forward to Country Roads and hopefully it'll be our theme song for. For games to come.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, thank you, Jeff. Yeah, it's going to be all time stuff tonight. It is. It is going to feel so big. And, you know, I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, so Seattle takes such pride. The Seahawks. I can remember going as a kid at the Seattle Coliseum to watch the Sonics in downtown Freddie Brown Husky Stadium, which I try to get to every couple of years. I was there for an Oregon game when Michael Penix played Bo Nix a couple years ago. The Pacific Northwest often feels forgotten just geographically. You know, I can remember telling people when I was out east, oh, I'm from the Pacific Northwest. Yeah, it's way out there. And I was like, well, this is way out here. What are you talking about? So I think there's a certain pride in the Pacific Northwest that it's kind of, it's kind of that forgotten space, you know, and they take a great deal of pride in it. And Seahawk fans and you know, right now between the Seahawks, the Mariners, this game tonight in Seattle, give the cracking love too. Become a great hockey city. So I think there are certain cities that get a lot of attention and there are certain cities like Seattle that deserve more attention for the quality of their sports fans. And it's just, it deserves nothing else. And Portland's tremendous too, but Seattle's a much bigger city. They just take a great deal of pride in the atmosphere tonight and they. I don't know what, what, what constitutes an advantage in soccer. I mean, obviously Azteca, the altitude is clearly an advantage. You don't have an altitude advantage, but there is a decibel advantage. And I mean US Soccer is a young, youthful team. You walk out on that pitch, man, you are not only playing for Seattle, you're playing for America. Now we're watching it now. Look at that stadium. Is that beautiful or what? All right, you know what deserves more attention? The assists. Everybody talks about the goal. A big moment that gets replayed on the highlight reels. But too often we overlook all the contributions and collabs that happen along the way. That's true in soccer and honestly true in life. Halion is shining a light on the assists. As official partner of U.S. soccer, they got a whole lineup of brands ready to deliver for you. So here they are. Sensodyne Dentist recommended. Defense of your sensitive teeth Centrum. Fueling your day with science. Enhance back nutrients. Advil, of course. Powerful inflammation fighting pain relief. Voltaren Arthritis gel helps penetrate deep, keeps the joints moving and Tums ready to counterattack with fast heartburn relief. These are brands that are ready to deliver your essential wellness. Assists. Because every goal starts with an assist. Learn how Halion can assist your game day goals@helionassist.com Con make your game day legendary with MGM Rewards. From unforgettable tailgate and viewing parties to world class dining, thrilling nightlife and entertainment that keeps energy going long after the final whistle, this is where fans come to celebrate. Show off your team spirit. Cheer with friends and earn rewards on every experience you love, because every play is bigger and every moment feels unforgettable in Las Vegas. So what are you waiting for? Make your game day legendary with MGM Rewards. Visit mgmrewards.com for details. Hi, it's Colin Coward. If you're looking for the best blend of durability and affordability in decking, trust Summit Decking from Deckorators. Summit features Deckorators patented surestone technology so the boards won't splinter, sag, chalk or crack over time, and the colors three great options that really capture the rich textures of natural wood. Honestly, it's the best decking you didn't know you could afford. Order a sample before peak build season. Order a sample today. Visit decorators.com herd to get your free sample. That's decorators with A K again. Decorators.com herd Living with a rare autoimmune condition can bring a lot of uncertainty, but it can also create community. In season six of Untold Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, they go beyond MG and cidp. As host host Martine Hackett welcomed stories from other conditions like myositis and IgAN into the conversation. Untold Stories is produced by Ruby Studio in partnership with Argenics. Listen to Untold Stories Life with a Severe Autoimmune condition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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