THE HERD - Hour 3 - Patriots big win last night, Drake Maye is showing improvement, Bill Belichick is out of touch, Drew Bledsoe

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 3 Podcast Summary

Date: October 6, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd
Guest: Drew Bledsoe
Key Themes: New England Patriots' big win, Drake Maye’s development, Bill Belichick’s struggles, NFL QB leadership, NFL/college football analysis, MLB playoffs

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Herd features a wide-ranging discussion between Colin Cowherd and guest Drew Bledsoe. The pair dive into the New England Patriots' recent upset, the progression of rookie quarterback Drake Maye, Mike Vrabel’s coaching style, the disconnect of Bill Belichick at the college level, and broader trends in leadership and identity in both the NFL and college football. The episode also covers notable QB storylines, a deep dive into the struggles of high-profile players, the Yankees and the MLB playoffs, and closes with insights into team cultures—both on and off the field.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mike Vrabel’s Coaching Success and Personality

[02:34–04:20]

• Colin credits Mike Vrabel as a core reason for picking the Patriots’ resurgence. He praises Vrabel’s natural connectability.
• Bledsoe describes playing with Vrabel as “like, like a Labrador…you got to run him” ([03:23]). Vrabel’s relentless energy as a player led directly to his offensive snaps: “Before games… I would go out and throw the ball to [Vrabel]… Charlie Weiss and Belichick saw him running around and decided to put him in on offense.” ([03:23])

2. Drake Maye’s Progress and the Challenge of Young Quarterbacks

[04:20–06:08]

• Colin asks about the challenge of a very young QB like Drake Maye stepping into a leadership role among grown professionals.
• Bledsoe: “It was intimidating, man. I mean I was 21… stepping into the huddle with grown ass men. Like these people have families and investment portfolios, and I’m just fresh out of college…” ([05:01])
  • Stresses that “being a leader doesn’t mean you have to be vocal right away.”
  • Draws parallels between Maye and Josh Allen—both “rough around the edges” early on, with high ceilings: “The comparisons to Josh Allen are, I think, very real…that’s high praise for Drake as just a second year player…” ([05:01])

3. The Importance (and Danger) of “Chip on the Shoulder” Mentality for QBs

[07:58–10:12]

• Colin: “Chip on the shoulder is important, as long as it doesn’t consume you and define you… it kind of defined Baker [Mayfield] for about three years.”
• Bledsoe: “Sometimes you have to manufacture that chip… maybe that’s why Baker was so, at times, so contentious with the media… The guy’s got real arm talent… to be looked at as this underdog anymore, I don’t think is accurate. I think…he’s one of the elite guys in the NFL.” ([08:54])

4. Belichick’s College Struggles: Out of Touch?

[14:37–16:59]

• Colin argues rigid, “my way or the highway” coaches usually fail in college football: “Belichick is not working in college… Once you buy into your own supply, you’re done… Belichick, you know, he said later in his career, ‘there’s certain guys I don’t want to coach.’ Well, you need talent. Vrabel is about the players. Bill became about Bill.” ([14:37])
• Bledsoe: “Bill is obviously brilliant… but you have to have brilliant players in order to really showcase that… Are you, as a 17-year-old, going to go play for Bill Belichick, or for the Oregon Ducks? I’d love to play for Dan Lanning.” ([15:38])

5. Dak Prescott: Maturity, Leadership, and Stability in the Dallas Circus

[17:26–19:48]

• Colin: Recalls seeing Dak pick up trash on the sideline—“just a… conscientious” act, showing the EQ/maturity needed at QB in Dallas: “My whole take is quarterback’s different. I unfairly need you to be 39 years old at 22.”
• Bledsoe: Recalls teammates “crying when Dak got hurt” as proof of his standing. Calls him “a great leader… a grown up coming in… to be able to be that person under that circus tent… he’s been able to… be a true stabilizing force for that team.” ([18:24])

6. New England Patriots’ Upset & AFC East Landscape

[21:48–23:43]

• Colin & Analyst (J. Mack/Lance Zerlein): Break down the Patriots’ win powered by Stefon Diggs going nuclear (10 catches, 146 yds).
• Patriots' “perimeter light, good in the trenches.”
• Social media drama—Diggs “side eyeing” Josh Allen.
• AFC East: Patriots' defense superior to Bills? Jets possibly heading for the #1 draft pick.

7. Rookie QBs and College Football Analysis

[24:26–28:00]

• Extensive evaluation of Arch Manning’s struggles—slow processing, lack of anticipation, not “seeing” field quick enough:
  • Colin: “His ball sometimes doesn’t have the velocity… he’s barely 60% and he’s holding the ball too long… It takes rookies in the NFL [time]. Mahomes was rare.”
• General discussion: processing speed at the QB position is a make-or-break factor.

8. MLB Playoff Highlights and Yankees Dissection

[28:06–31:03]

• Blue Jays' big offensive swing; Seattle Mariners’ first playoff home win since 2001—“Crowd was nuts.”
• Yankees struggles: heavy reliance on the long ball, bullpen issues, and lack of managerial turnover compared to other NY teams.
• Colin’s nostalgia for the 1977 Mariners: “I went to the opener at the Kingdom… I can give you the starting lineup.” ([28:49])

9. Team Culture, Patience, and Leadership in Baseball

[31:07–34:30]

• Patience and “pro player” managers (Aaron Boone, Dave Roberts) are key in the long MLB grind—“You got to get along with your players. When you have double… 200 days you’re with your players.”
• Yankees stick with managers—contrast with instability of other NY teams.

10. Final Takeaways and Notable Moments

[36:49–44:44]

• Recap: Mike Vrabel as energetic coach and Patriots' turnaround; Drake Maye as a “hit” at QB.
• Matt Hasselbeck (clip): “Maybe they drafted Drake May for a reason… their own version of Josh Allen…” ([37:59])
• Cold weather QBs: The importance of arm strength.
• Costly mistakes: Colin and analyst dissect Arizona's blown game and its playoff implications: “That could decide their season.” ([41:22])

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Notable Quotes

• Drew Bledsoe on Vrabel:
  “He just had so damn much energy… I’ve compared him to like a Labrador… you gotta run him.” ([03:23])
• On Young NFL QBs:
  “Stepping into the huddle with grown ass men… these people have families… and I’m just fresh out of college.” – Bledsoe ([05:01])
• On Baker Mayfield:
  “Sometimes you have to manufacture that chip on your shoulder… the guy’s got real arm talent… he can really throw the ball.” – Bledsoe ([08:54])
• On Bill Belichick in College:
  “Are you, as a 17-year-old, going to go play for Bill Belichick… or for the Oregon Ducks? I’d love to play for Dan Lanning.” – Bledsoe ([15:38])
• On Dak Prescott:
  “His teammates were in tears when… Dak went down. That really tells you everything you need to know about who the guy is…” – Bledsoe ([18:24])
• On Patriots Win:
  “Stefon Diggs went nuclear. 10 catches, a buck 46…” – Analyst ([21:48])
• On Arch Manning:
  “His ball sometimes doesn’t have the velocity… not sure he sees the field process quick enough… just slow and kind of ponderous back there.” – Colin ([24:51], [25:57])
• On MLB Managers:
  “You’ve got to get along with your players… Aaron Boone is very. Players love him.” – Colin ([33:20])
• On Costly Mistakes:
  “I’m watching that fumble… it’s like performative… If I was an official, I wouldn’t have a lot of sympathy for showing off.” – Colin ([39:52])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:34] – Vrabel’s impact and playing days story
• [05:01] – Young QB leadership challenges
• [08:54] – The psychology of underdog QBs (Baker Mayfield)
• [14:37] – Belichick’s misfit in college football
• [17:26] – Dak Prescott’s emotional leadership
• [21:48] – Patriots’ upset breakdown, Stefon Diggs
• [24:26] – Arch Manning’s struggles and processing speed
• [28:06] – MLB Playoff discussion and Yankees critique
• [37:59] – Matt Hasselbeck on Drake Maye’s draft logic
• [39:52] – Arizona’s costly fumble and playoff impact

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

Colin is candid, focused on leadership, identity, and the human element of professional sports. Bledsoe brings a veteran’s insight—practical experience, quarterback wisdom, and a sense of humility about development timelines. The episode is dynamic, conversational, and woven through with memorable anecdotes, direct player comparisons, and smart analysis of current events in both football and baseball.

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For listeners seeking deeper football context, leadership insights, and cultural trends in the NFL, this episode offers engaging stories, considered analysis, and memorable moments connecting past and present.

Transcript

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[Drew Bledsoe]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Well, every year I pick a team that I think is gonna come close to doubling their wins. And I've been on about a four year streak and the Patriots were that team this year for a lot of reasons. One, I, I didn't like the direction of the Dolphins or the jets and I thought they could go 4, 0. And I also think so much of Mike Frable, who's just a really bright guy. Everybody I've ever known that knows Mike just instantly connects with him. Drew Bledsoe knows him. They actually played together for a year. And Drew is joining us undisclosed location in the Northwest. I'm jealous. That's all I'm going to say. A beautiful, beautiful place. So you were only a teammate for a year, but everybody I know that's played with him or been in the staff, he just is, you know, Drew, some guys just have a connectability. And so tell me about your relationship with Vrabel in the year you played with him.

[Drew Bledsoe]

You know, it's funny because I only played with Mike for one year, but it seems like we were teammates for like five or six years. You know, we just had a great connection. Personally, you know, it's not a surprise to me or to anybody that knows Mike that he's had great success as a coach. You know, one funny thing about Mike is that he just had so damn much energy as a player. You know, he would, you know, in the middle of practice he would go run scout team kickoff coverage just to burn off some energy. I've compared him to like, like a Labrador, you know, like, like you got to run him, you know, like, like you had to run him. And honestly, that's how Rabes ended up catching all those touchdowns that he caught. I get credit for those column because before games, he had to burn off energy before NFL games. So I would go out and throw the ball to him in pregame and that's when, you know, Charlie Wise and Belichick saw him running around and decided to put him in on offense. So he owes me for all of those touchdown.

[Colin Cowherd]

He certainly does. I will say Drake May I liked him at Carolina. I just thought he was kind of rough. But, you know, Vrabel kept saying, he just needs to understand you got to be a leader. On Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, it was almost like saying, I love you. This is your team now. But I do think, Drew, you know this. When you go to an NFL team, you're. You're with the youngest guy on the team for the first two or three years. And yet your coach Is like, all right, be a leader. You're talking to 37 year old left tackles. Give me a little of your experience in Drake May. When you are a young guy looking older players in the face and like, I need you to do this, this and this.

[Drew Bledsoe]

Colin. It was intimidating, man. I mean I was 21, I had just turned 21. Stepping into the huddle with grown ass men. Like these people have families and investment portfolios, you know, and I'm just fresh out of college and that's where, that's where Drake is. But you know, but being a leader doesn't mean you have to be vocal right away. You know, you can initially, you just get the job done. You show up early, you stay late, you work hard, you try to win the wind sprints, you try to do all the little things that you can do physically and then you earn the right to be heard vocally. And you know, but watching, watching, watching Drake and his progression, you know, I think the comparisons and I, you know, look, we're not going to put the guy in the hall of Fame quite yet, but the comparisons to Josh Allen are, I think are very real. You know, you remember Josh's, you know, first year, you know, a lot of interceptions, pretty rough around the edges, accuracy maybe wasn't great. And then you watched his progression and now he's, you know, certainly in the conversation for best in the game. And I think the comparisons between Drake May and Josh Allen are real. I really do. And that's high praise for Drake as just a second year player, but I think that's very real.

[Colin Cowherd]

So, you know, this happens in the NFL from time to time. I've always, we all know coaches matter and quarterbacks are the key, but coordinators matter. And right now Philly's got talent, but they have no identity. They don't know what the hell they are. And it's almost like, you know, they've had so much success. It's like, guys, you're kind of a blue collar punch in the mouth offense. That's kind of what you are. Don't be bashful again. When you watch Philly and you're like, how does Saquon have six carries? Is it hard sometimes, Drew, when you could be winning or losing and you kind of lose who you are as an offense. Have you ever been in a spot like that? You're like, I know I got the players but we forgot what we are.

[Drew Bledsoe]

Yeah, you know, I think Philly, that you're exactly right. They're a punchy in the mouth, run the Football play, defense play, action, you know, big play, you know, team. And that's, you know, that's, that's, that's who they are, you know. But in order, you know, in order to play that way, though, you have to be remarkably consistent. You know, you, you know, you have to, you have to convert third down so you can keep running the football. You know, you've got to get the defensive stops, you've got to be, you know, you've got to be on schedule, you know, and we, you know, meaning, you know, get 4 yards on first down, get 3 or 4 yards on second down. So your third down, so you can run the ball and, you know, you can execute the touch push and do all of those things. And so you just have to be remarkably consistent with all of your execution in order to play that way. And I just think you're seeing a little bit of inconsistency out of the, out of the Eagles offense right now. Now I, you know, they're 4 and 1. I don't know. And they played, you know, the Broncos are a good football team and, you know, so there's no reason to panic, you know, with what's going on with the Eagles. But, but their identity is their identity, you know, and it's fitting for Philly because that's what Philly is as a city. You know, it's a blue collar city. And that's the way the Eagles. But they have to be remarkably consistent offensively to play the style that they're playing.

[Colin Cowherd]

So you were the rare, like Peyton Manning, you're a five star high school kid, you're a great college guy, you're a top draft pick. So you didn't like Baker Mayfield had to walk on and a lot of these guys transfer. You didn't have that nasty chip on the shoulder. You may have had it from how you were treated by somebody else, but you came in like you're the guy you're going to get paid. That's not your life. And I said, I think chip on the shoulder is important as long as it doesn't consume you and define you. I thought it kind of defined Baker for about three years. It's like, dude, you don't have to go to the press conference every week and pick a fight like you. Sometimes it's okay to be like, I'm talented Guy Baker and Sam yesterday. A lot of critics to watch them yesterday. I'm like, I almost wonder if all the crap they went through is actually why they're so good. Do you buy that?

[Drew Bledsoe]

I think there's something to that, Colin. You know, you look at Baker, and I was. I was curious to see how he handled that, you know, because he was that underdog guy, the walk on that had to transfer and had to move schools and. And then all of a sudden, you know, top draft pick and, you know, it's hard to have a chip on your shoulder when you're the number one overall draft pick. That doesn't really fly. People aren't. Aren't looking down on you anymore, and I think that's an adjustment, but I think that's kind of just how he's wired, and it's kind of the way he plays. You know, he plays a little bit like Favre, you know, where he just, you know, he kind of needs to get hit, he needs to run around, he needs to be a football player, you know, rather than just a, you know, a game manager type of quarterback. And that's when he's at his best, I think. And so, you know, sometimes you have to manufacture that chip on your shoulder and, you know, so maybe that's why Baker was so, at times, so contentious with the media, because he was just trying to create this chip on his shoulder when it. When it wasn't actually real, but. But the guy's got real arm talent. You know, like, you look at it like he's a smaller guy, but you look at the throws he makes. You know, this guy, he can spin it. You know, this is not. This is not a guy that's getting by on, you know, average ability. He can really throw the ball, you know, so, you know, for him to be looked at as this. This underdog anymore, I don't think is accurate. I think. I do think he's one of the elite guys in the NFL.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

So I, I, I wanna kind of end it on this is that Belichick is not working in college. And I, I love college football. I love it. And my theory, theory is always once you buy into your own supply, you're done. It doesn't matter how smart you are or once you get rigid. The late Bobby Knight's like, I'm not going to do one and dones well, bro, everybody else is doing them. You know, you got it, you got to put your arm around it. And Belichick, you know, he said later in his career, it's like there's certain guys I don't want to coach. Well, you got to. You need talent. You can't, you're buying into your own hype. Vrabel is about the players. Bill became about Bill. I watch him in college and my takeaway is Bill just wants to coach who he wants to coach. And I didn't think he would dominate college football, but are you surprised just how bad it's been? You, you, you know, you obviously know him. It's, it's just, I mean, college football is kind of a young guy's game. He may just not be. He may not work at this level. Drew.

[Drew Bledsoe]

Yeah. You know, I think it's. It's tough, Colin. And Bill is obviously brilliant. There's no getting around that. But he also put together teams in New England that were brilliant. You know, you look at the guys on the defenses that he coached and the, you know, you got, you know, really brilliant guys. Rabel was one of those guys, you know, Teddy Brusky, you know, Ty Law, lawyer Malloy, Rodney Harrison. You know, you look at all of these guys that he was coaching. You know, he had brilliant guys with him, and that was. That really worked well for him because Bill's a brilliant guy, but you have to have brilliant players in order to, you know, to really showcase that. And I also just think, man, you know, you just look at the optics and I'm not piling on Bill here, but, you know, you're going to go sit in the living room with a 17 year old, you know, do you want to go play for Bill belichick As a 17 year old, you know, or do you want to go, you know, play for the Oregon Ducks? Or do you want to go. Trust me, I hate the Ducks, but they're, you know, but I would love to play for Dan Lanning, you know, and you just look at what he's dealing with. I just think it's tough for him settle down. But. Sorry, my dog's going to attack. My dog's going to attack a bear. But I think, you know, I think with. It's just, it's an up. It's an uphill battle for him because he's got to surround himself with, you know, really brilliant players in order to execute the stuff that he wants to do.

[Colin Cowherd]

By the way, what would your dog possibly be barking at? What's your dog's name?

[Drew Bledsoe]

That's Tyson. He's trained killer. He's. Yeah, he's. He's. He's going to go chase the bears off of our property up here and just keep us safe.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. I was going to say, I know where you're at. There's not a lot to bark at where you're at right now. It's beautiful.

[Drew Bledsoe]

Yeah, no, it's. It's good. He's. But he keeps us safe, man. We. We sleep, we sleep tight at night knowing we have this little attack dog.

[Colin Cowherd]

I want to end with this Dak Prescott. I never thought he was a great arm talent, but he did something very early in his career. And I got so much crud for this. He was walking up and down the sideline and he walked by a garbage can and there was a piece, a cup on the ground and he stopped and he went back and he grabbed it and he put it in the garbage. And I thought, okay, that's just a. He's conscientious. And I've always thought Jerry Jones a bit of a circus. It's high profile Jerry. He never says the wrong thing. And I've been on this for years and people crush me for this and. But my whole take is quarterback's different. I unfairly need you to be 39 years old at 22. And I look at Dak right now and Dallas is a circus about every other week. I don't know, is he mvp? Like, I'm always blown away by his maybe EQ or maturity. How do you view Dak?

[Drew Bledsoe]

You know, Colin, there was one thing that was really, really telling and it's something that you can look at with, with players. You look at how their teammates react to them, right? And it was really telling. You remember when Dak got hurt a few years back, his teammates were in tears when, when, when Dak went down. And so, you know, that really tells you everything you need to know about who the guy is and who he represents to his team and to his teammates. You know, they were, they were literally, you know, guys were crying when Dak got hurt. And you know that he just, he's a great leader for that team. He's a great stabilizer for that team. He was a grown up coming in. You know, when you say you want a 39 year old when you're 21 or 22 years old, that's who he was. Coming into the league. He just showed maturity beyond his years and to be able to be that person in, underneath that circus tent that the Cowboys tend to be where all the eyes are on you. Whether people love you or hate you, they care. You know, it's like pitching for the Yankees. People either love you or hate you. And Dick and Dak has been able to, to take all of that and be a true stabilizing force for that team. And to see what he did yesterday, you know, one of the most important things that I always look at with teams is how healthy is their offensive line. With three offensive line, three starting offensive linemen down yesterday, I really felt like they were going to struggle. And Dax lit them up, just absolutely lit them up.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, so did I. I thought the jets would be competitive. I just Blown away by what I'm seeing. I love these stories of these quarterbacks. They get 10,000 hours. It's Baker, it's Darnold, hell, even Carson Wentz yesterday. These guys get banged around and criticized and demoted. And Dak has gone through a lot in Dallas. He's an easy guy to root for. Drew Bledsoe, Double Back Winery. How was your year?

[Drew Bledsoe]

We're almost done with harvest. It looks like another great harvest up in Walla Walla. So the, we've got an amazing team. You know, when you talk about teams and cultures and all of that, we've got a championship level team at the winery. These are our team there. But right now they're at the end of end of harvest. So they're all really tired and really grumpy. So I tried to take care of them, up them up a little bit because they're working, you know, 18 hour, 20 hour days right now. So, you know, it's a little prickly. But man, they just continue to make amazing wine for us and we're having a lot of fun with it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Double back. Look it up. The Double Back Winery in Walla Walla, Washington. I don't think as many hosts. I know where that's at. Exactly. Exactly. I can find.

[Drew Bledsoe]

Not many people. Not many people do. It's the end of the road. But it's a beautiful little town and we grow great wine grapes up there. And it's my hometown. You know, I grew up there. So it's fun to be back there running a, running a cool business back in my hometown. And at the end of the day, we get to get to drink some great wine and pretend like that's our job. Which is, which is really fun.

[Colin Cowherd]

You don't age, my man. You look great. Thanks for coming on.

[Drew Bledsoe]

Likewise, Colin. Always good to catch up with you, buddy.

[Colin Cowherd]

The great Drew Bledsoe, four time Pro bowler number one pick. I can't tell you where he's at, but I Google mapped it. He's got, you know what? He has good taste in where to hang out. Very good taste.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

So. So he must be in Chicago then.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, that's a beautiful city. His. His is a little more northwest, Lake centric. He's. He picks good spots. J. Mack with the news.

[Drew Bledsoe]

No, no, no.

[Colin Cowherd]

Turn on the news. This is.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

All right, Colin, let's get started with that Patriots upset last night. They were big underdogs and the reason they were able to pull it off was Stefan Diggs went nuclear. 10 catches for a buck 46. After the game, he Talked about the revenge angle. Colin.

[Colin Cowherd]

Was this one personal for you? 100%. Obviously I love those guys.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Still got a good relationship with those.

[Colin Cowherd]

Guys, got a lot of respect for them. But I love the game of football more and every time I go out here, I'm trying to prove it, not only to them but to myself. Well, they needed, they needed that from him. Like that's one of those games. We said coming into the season they were perimeter light, good in the trenches. Perimeter light. Henry, Stefan Diggs, couple running backs that are decent.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

So you know, hardcore listeners of the show know we've talked around it, but there was a incident between Allen and Diggs that went down. And the New England Patriots social media account, they posted a picture of Diggs side eyeing Josh Allen.

[Colin Cowherd]

Did you see that?

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

After the game I'm like, why are you guys feeding into this? Allen hasn't talked about it. Diggs hasn't. We know Diggs hasn't been the greatest teammate at other stops. I'll leave it at that. Impressive win for the Patriots, no doubt. Still think the Bills are the better team, right?

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[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, listen, you have bad Sundays. Like, it's just Buffalo got into a ball security issue and I mean, we saw it a couple weeks ago, you know, the, the Colts had the Rams beat in la and AD Mitchell fumbles it out like this. Every snap matters.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

And these fumbles, the penalties also were not great. Buffalo didn't seem exactly buttoned up last night.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, they were, you know, you think, you don't think it's an upset. They were an 8 1/2 point favorite.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Significant.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's about what the Giants will be as an underdog to Philly.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Let me ask you, so that division is Bills and then Patriots or do you think the Patriots can challenge them?

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, I think the Patriots are. I think the Patriots. I think the Patriots have the better defense.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

And if you maybe combined the jets and Dolphins, they might have like a 500 team. Like you took the best players from each of those or are they still like a sub?

[Colin Cowherd]

I, I think the jets are in the running for a number one pick. I, I don't know what you do with Aaron Glenn, but start handicapping the quarterbacks every week.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Dante Moore, Carson Beck looks really good. Miami's awesome. What's the problem with Becky?

[Colin Cowherd]

He's a little thin for me, but he has had a. In college he got, you know, he transferred out of Georgia. He's been doubted. He's had to rebuild his, you know, his kind of.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

They got weight training programs in the NFL.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I know, I know. He's a little thin. He's. He's. I know. You know, creatine is good when you get old.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Are you taking it out?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, it's great for your cognitive ability and biceps.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Good. Symbiotic.

[Colin Cowherd]

You take it as well?

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Of course.

[Colin Cowherd]

Great for you.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

And, you know. Anyways, let's move on to. Oh, gosh, I guess we're still talking about Arch Manning column.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is rough.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Listen, I know there was major hype coming into the season, but, bro, look at these throws. That's not even close.

[Colin Cowherd]

And he holds the ball.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

His lack. I mean, that's just such a bad miss. And I know people want to defend. Hey, hey. I'm off the Arch banding train. He was terrible. Two picks, took six sacks.

[Colin Cowherd]

Now, their O line's not great. Their O line's not great. But sometimes you have to trust your eyes. His ball sometimes doesn't have the velocity he has. Bad misses. The O line's not great. He's barely 60% and he's holding the ball too long. So is he seeing the field? I'm not sure he sees the field process quick enough. Well, there is something to be said. Bo Nix, a great example. Bo last year held the ball a lot. A little, but a second too long. Bo Nix, I was telling the staff this morning, he plays so fast now, and a lot of it is. It takes you a while to see the field. Arch Manning sat at Texas for two years. He didn't play. So you watch him and you're like, he just doesn't. I mean, you're waiting for it to pop, but he holds the ball. He doesn't see it. And let it rip quick enough. Mahomes is legendary. See it, let it rip. Go accurate like. Mahomes is like Marino. It doesn't. Most guys can't do that. But I watched Bo Nix yesterday, and I'm like, oh, my God. Bo Nix has sped his process up in the last year. Arch just feels slow and kind of ponderous back there.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Yeah, it doesn't. And again, I'm not going to hammer the guy. It doesn't seem like he processes quickly enough. So you need to be decisive as quarterback. I'm going, look at this. Read this. Read. Bing, bang, boom, quickly. And he's. It doesn't feel like it's clicking. And I will say, arch, talk to the media afterward. And it's worth listening to.

[Drew Bledsoe]

As much as losses sting. Sting your heart.

[Colin Cowherd]

This one's gonna hurt.

[Drew Bledsoe]

It's always something to learn.

[Colin Cowherd]

From you win some and then you learn some. So you gotta learn from this and get better.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

I know you're all over the Texas message boards. There is some chatter. Do we send him down soft benching, if you will. Sark, by the way, Sark is coming out, defending him hard. He's like, hey, who's going to Ohio State and the Swamp and winning. And it's like, well, who start? You open the season number one in the country. You're now out of the top 25.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, and again, they started with four new offensive linemen, but Oregon had to replace all 11 starters on offense. And their offense looks unbelievable.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

I will say we saw this with Beck. He lost Bowers and lad McConkey and regressed. This guy's missing golden and Bond.

[Colin Cowherd]

So Lance Zerlein is a guy that I bring on the show a lot, lot of respect for Lance. He works for like NFL.com. he's, he watches. He is a scout. I mean, Lance, he does radio, but he's also a scout. And he said Arch just doesn't see the field. So when I watch the Florida game, I sat there for about two and a half hours watching a series of, you know, ucla, Penn State, Washington, Maryland. And that's my take is that it takes rookies in the NFL. A lot of them don't see the field quickly. Mahomes was rare. But when I watch Arch, he's not seeing the play. He's holding the ball too long. And then when you watch the, the video behind him, it's like, no, the bro that's open. You have. I would say Arch is not yet an anticipatory throw. He has to see something absolutely open. Well, that's not the NFL. And to be honest, when you play Ohio State, you have to be an anticipatory thrower because Ohio State's got first round draft picks. Yeah. On that defense, we're not saying he's cooked.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

He could still turn it around. Anybody.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, but he's just not. You can see it. It's not, he's, it's not fast enough. It's just plotting.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

He's not there yet. Final story, Colin, is the Major League Baseball playoffs. The AL playoffs have been electric, except if you're a Yankees fan. The Blue Jays have scored 23 runs in two games.

[Colin Cowherd]

Brutal.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

The scene in Seattle last night was really good. Mariners won their first playoff home game since 2001.

[Colin Cowherd]

Crowd was nuts.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Yeah, crowd was going bonkers. Today we get the Dodgers versus the Phillies on tbs, Cubs brewers on tbs. And then Tomorrow on Fox. These are the big ones. Mariners, Tigers and Blue Jays. Yankees. Yankees are desperate, must win.

[Colin Cowherd]

Look at those old throwback Mariner uniforms.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Go to ebay.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Nostalgic about the Baron.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, it was my favorite team growing up. I can literally know. I go. I went to the opener at the Kingdom against the Angels in 1977. I can give you the starting lineup.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

No, I think we're good on that.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I got it. Bob Stinson, then Danny Meyer, Jose Baez, Craig Reynolds, Bill Stein, Diego Segu pitched. Rupert 2P Jones and center.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

All right, the producers are telling. Get him out of this. Stop now, please. Joking. Keep going.

[Colin Cowherd]

Go on. Come on.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Who is the DH today?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Lee Stanton.

[Colin Cowherd]

Lee Stanton.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Oh, wonderful.

[Colin Cowherd]

Awesome. And they pitched. They faced Frank Tanana, Bobby Gritsch, Joe Rudy and the Angels. Yeah, Joe Rudy. Homer to left field. I was in right field, way up top of the stadium.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

You were in the nosebleeds back then. Now you're in the rich.

[Colin Cowherd]

But when I see those old Mariner uniforms, that was my first team. I listened. They were on KVI in Seattle. I listened every day. I wanted to be a baseball announcer. So our team was terrible. We had a terrible staff. We had a guy named Enrique Romo who went to the Pirates. He was our number one. He was our number two starter. He was okay. Anyway, I know I'm boring all of you, but you know, when you're. It was 1977, so I'm like a 13 year old kid and I lived for the Mariners. I mean, I listen every night game zone.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

FS1 Tomorrow, Blue Jays, Yankees. That's way more important than your marriage.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, let me tell you something. They're going to blame Aaron Boone. But you got to get people.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

You see the meme about Aaron Boone. Like if he didn't hit a home run against the Red Sox, he'd be coaching the Savannah Bananas. It's kind of funny. I laughed.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm not gonna lie. Well, the Boone family, Bob Brett, that.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Was the highlight of his career.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, that's as a player.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Game seven. I think, I just don't.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think the Yankees are. They don't sacrifice. They don't do small ball bullpen, shaky home run reliant. I mean, they, they've spent a lot of money on this team and they, they are completely reliant on John Carlos Stanton. First of all, Garrett Cole got hurt before the season. So you're not winning a World Series. I mean, if you go to the games against the Dodgers in the series last year, When Cole didn't pitch, they look totally outlast.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

They can win three straight. It's the Blue Jays. Okay, Come on.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't know. No, the Yankees. Let's be fair. I don't have it in front of me. The Yankees have dominated the American League Central. Take away the American League Central in the last 10 years in the playoffs. They didn't dominate. I'd be. Blue Jays are pretty good. J. Mac with the news.

[Drew Bledsoe]

Well, that's the news.

[Colin Cowherd]

And thanks for stopping by.

[Drew Bledsoe]

The herd lie news.

[Colin Cowherd]

It is interesting. Giants awful. Jets awful. Knicks fire their coach. Mets flail. And, you know, everybody beats up on Aaron Boone. But the Yankees are the most successful team in New York sports of the majors by far. And they're the team that doesn't fire anybody. So they're the one team. They're never in chaos. Their front office, Brian Cashman, Aaron Boone, they don't. They've only had three managers, I think, in like 30 years. They don't. They kept Joe Tory forever. So the, you know, Yankee haters and Yankee critics all want everybody to fire it. Well, then you'd be the jets and the Giants and the Knicks and the Mets and the. That's not the Yankees. The Yankees are patient, like the Dodgers. They wanted to run Dave Roberts out of town. Boom, he wins this year, everybody. Well, they don't have any energy. When you win your division every year, it's a marathon. Dodgers have a chance tonight to go up to nothing on the Phillies. And I honestly, I thought the Phillies would win the Series because I didn't trust the Dodgers bullpen. But these, these baseball seasons are long, and a big part of making it work is your ability. Aaron Boone, very pro player. Dave Roberts, Dodgers, very pro player. You can't. You know, Larry Bowle was a great player. He tried to manage. You wear guys out. You got to get along with people. You got to get along with your players. When you have double. Think about this. Between spring training and the regular season, you make the playoffs, you're 200 games in that. That's just the 200 days you're with your players. What about the. What about the days you don't have a game and you're with the players? You're with the players 75% of the year. You got to get along with them. And Aaron Boone is very. Players love him. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Imagine never buying gas again. EVs are as easy to charge as your phone and perfect for everyday life. Drive daily with confidence everywhere you go. Most Americans drive 40 miles a day. Most EVs are equipped with 200 to 400 miles of range. They've got fewer parts, fewer repairs and fewer headaches. With hundreds of new and used EV models available today, there's an EV to fit every lifestyle and every budget. I love my electric vehicle. It's easy. No more gas stations. The way forward is electric. Learn more atelectric for all.org this is one of the best times of the year to be a sports fan. It seems like every week we are seeing great games and even better matchups between the best teams in football. Speaking of great matchups, Green River Whiskeys Green River Gold Rush Cocktail this is out of this world. Okay, shake up some Green River, Kentucky Straight bourbon, lemon juice and honey. I had one of these last night. Strain it over ice cream. It is out of this world. Doesn't get simpler, doesn't get better. Green river offers a great lineup featuring their Kentucky Straight, Weeded, Foolproof and Rye. Fall is also the perfect time to get yourself out to Kentucky and check out Green river in person. Incredible Distillery in Owensboro, Kentucky. They have tastings, VIP experiences and more. Check out Green River's tasting room in Louisville, located right on historic Whiskey Row. So head over to greenriverwhiskey.com learn more today. Try it for yourself. A product of Green River Distilling Company, Owensboro, Kentucky. Alcohol by volume varies by product. Greenriverwhiskey.com Please drink responsibly.

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[Colin Cowherd]

So Drew Bledsoe stopped by. He was a teammate one year of Mike Vrabel, and he was talking about. Vrabel was frenetic, like, just, just go, go, go. And Drew said he and Vrabel, who's now coaching the Patriots, they beat the Bills last night. Connected very quickly.

[Drew Bledsoe]

It's not a surprise to me or to anybody that knows Mike that he's had great success as a coach. You know, one funny thing about Mike is that he just had so damn much energy as a player. You know, he would, you know, in the middle of practice, he would go run scout team kickoff coverage just to burn off some energy. I, I've, I've, I've compared him to like a, like a Labrador, you know, like, like, you gotta run him.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. And I will say this. Look at the jets and look at New England. Both the coaches. I would say the Jets. Aaron Glenn inherited more talent than New England. And look at what Aaron Glenn's done and look at what Vrabel's done. I mean, it's a really good team. And I think, you know, Drake May at Carolina, he's a hit. Bo Nix is a hit. Jaden Daniels is a hit. I think Caleb to some level is going to hit. Here's Matt Hasselbeck earlier on the young Drake.

[Matt Hasselbeck]

Maybe they drafted Jake Drake May for a reason. They wanted their own version of Josh Allen and like that doesn't really exist. But they saw something with the third pick overall in that draft and they said, you know what, we think that this guy could be that. You know, they, they tried the Mac Jones thing and they were like, yeah, you're good, but you're not Josh Allen. We're looking for Josh Allen and we'll take the risk for the upside. And I think Drake May has everybody in New England fired up.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I also think, you know, one of the real advantages is Drake May is big with a good arm. Go look at northern quarterbacks, quarterbacks that play in cold weather. You know, Sam Darnold's got a big arm. He's up in Seattle, right? And if Green Bay generally, Jordan Love, Aaron Rodgers, Favre, big arms. Mahomes, Kansas City, big arm Josh Allen, Jim Kelly, Studs in Buffalo, big Army, Eli Manning, big arm in New York. So Drake May's a big kid. I mean, Joe Flacco had success in Baltimore, Big Ben had success in Pittsburgh. Like when you, you know, when you look around and you're drafting a guy, you have to consider that in the afc, you know who's your quarterback again. You want to get a guy like Bo Nix in Denver. It gets cold, but it's usually pretty brilliant until Thanksgiving. Beautiful weather. Bo Nick's got a good arm, so you can get away with some of that stuff. A smaller guy like a Bryce Young doesn't have a huge arm. It's in Carolina or like in Atlanta because you're playing indoors in a dome in the NFC South. But Drake May looks the part. I did ask a couple of guests about the. I just, I don't even know what to do with it. I'm watching that fumble. I watched it live. The running back for Arizona, like the third string running back who got a chance.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

D. Mercado.

[Colin Cowherd]

D. Mercado, he's a third string running back. He gets a chance to play bad. Teams like Arizona don't get 70 yard rushing touchdowns. They open up this huge hole. He burst through it. I just don't know what you're thinking. I think it's like performative. I'm going to try to be cool, but it's just. Now some argued that he had reached the goal line. I thought it was go either way. I almost think, you know, if I was an official, I wouldn't have a lot of sympathy for showing off.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Doesn't matter. Don't leave it up to replay or certain angles or official. No, just score the touchdown.

[Colin Cowherd]

AD Mitchell did the same thing last week. He's showing off. It's just like, bro, and like, this guy never scored. Or I think maybe he has an NFL.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

He's like a third down back. But this was essentially the game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, no, no. They seal Arizona wins the game last week. AD Mitchell, who, by the way, mostly got. He only played six snaps yesterday in a blowout. So the Colts coaches clearly. And this. I thought that was the game for the Rams. I thought the Rams were in big trouble. Like, dude, what are you doing? Looking back, just get to the end zone.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

So the other problem, Colin, with Arizona, like, they could have been a playoff team this year. Okay. They now have that brutal loss to the Niners when they should have beaten.

[Colin Cowherd]

They should have beaten them.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Okay? And now you have this loss to the winless Titans. You can't fall behind in that division. Rams, Niners, wait till the Niners get healthy. They're going to just run away and hide. And we both agree Seattle's a pretty damn good team. So I. You don't want to write someone off, but you could look back at that play that could decide their season. Oh, I'm dead serious.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't think there's any question that that could decide their season.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

You can't lose. You can't punt a game at home.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm not. Quarterbacks make mistakes. People fumble. Like, I don't get worked up over it. Now, if you do have a fumble issue, Kyron Williams of the Rams, you got to clean it up. Tiki Barber had a fumble issue for years. He cleaned it up. But this stuff I have no patience for.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

People will say, like, Jimmy Johnson would.

[Colin Cowherd]

Cut you for that.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly a sports commentator like J. Mack or Lance Zerlein)]

Yeah, listen, the Cardinals, they. They ended up like there was a fluky play with the interception that was fumbled and recovered in the end zone. And then they had, they had, you know, three downs to get a first down and maybe milk the clock. And Jonathan Gannon ran into the line of scrimmage three times. They say, oh, we'll punt it to Cam Ward. He's not going to do anything. And you got beat. I'm off Arizona. I mean, we've talked about coaches getting fired, whether it's McDaniel, Callahan. I think Jonathan Gannon probably gets put in that.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's a bummer, though, because it's not a. It's not one of the better ownership situations. You're in a tough division, you're losing games like that. I watched them play San Francisco and I thought they gave Kyle Shanahan trouble. I thought they, I thought, I think Gannon can coach. When I watch them, you know, it's for years and years people were beaten up on Chris Ballard with the Colts. The GM I take away as I'm watching the games, I just need a quarterback. You get them Daniel Jones and it's like, and we don't even think Daniel Jones is great. Colts are going to win that division going away. Got to have the right pieces as a Coach or a GM. Imagine never buying gas again. EVs are as easy to charge as your phone and perfect for everyday life Drive daily with confidence everywhere you go. Most Americans drive 40 miles a day. Most EVs are equipped with 200 to 400 miles of range. They've got fewer parts, fewer repairs and fewer headaches. With hundreds of new and used EV models available today, there's an EV to fit every lifestyle and every budget. I love my electric vehicle. It's easy. No more gas stations. The way forward is electric. Learn more@electric for all.org what do you.

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