THE HERD - Hour 3 - Raiders QB Plans & Dr David Chao Joins

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd Episode: Hour 3 - Raiders QB Plans & Dr. David Chao Joins
Date: March 6, 2026
Host(s): Jonas Knox & LaVar Arrington (in for Colin Cowherd), Kelvin Washington, Dr. David Chao (guest)

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Overview

The final hour of The Herd dives into dramatic offseason NFL moves—key releases, uncertain QB futures, and the complexities of holding or cashing in when a team’s “window” is open. Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington lead a wide-ranging, candid discussion about the changing faces of NFL rosters, especially with the Las Vegas Raiders, Green Bay Packers, and Detroit Lions. The show features insights into quarterback rookie development strategies, reveals from inside the free agency churn, and, later, a deep-dive medical update segment with Dr. David Chao touching on player recoveries and injuries (including Max Crosby and Patrick Mahomes). The tone is conversational but laced with expertise, sports skepticism, and humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL Cost-Cutting & Roster Churn

[03:32–05:40]

• Teams like the Raiders, Packers, and Lions are aggressively making "cap casualty" moves, releasing prominent players like Geno Smith, Rashan Gary, and Taylor Decker to make room under the salary cap.
• Not all top players reach free agency because teams “retain the best,” but this has created a surprisingly strong market of talent suddenly available. As LaVar notes, "there’s some really talented players out there... that just couldn’t make it work financially with their previous teams."

Notable Quote

• “This is the time of year where you’re just, you’re seeing cost cutting and cost cap casualties left and right around the National Football League.” —Jonas Knox [04:20]

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2. Packers’ Rashan Gary Move: A Head-Scratcher

[05:40–07:16]

• LaVar calls the Packers' release of Rashan Gary “peculiar,” especially after adding Micah Parsons for what many thought would be a dominant defensive duo. The partnership only lasted one season.
• Injuries, especially to Parsons, clearly disrupted what was meant to be a “Super Bowl competitive team.”

Notable Quote

• “Why would you only give the Micah Parsons–Rashan Gary experiment one season?... The amount of success they were able to have...was tremendous.” —LaVar Arrington [05:47]

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3. Lions Lose Their Core

[07:16–09:20]

• The Lions, once viewed as NFC favorites, have seen foundational pieces leave: Taylor Decker, David Montgomery, Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn.
• Jonas and LaVar discuss how rarely teams get close; referencing Dan Campbell’s comments, Jonas remarks, “Maybe we’ll never get that close again...well, yeah Dan, so why didn’t you play it safe?”

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4. Changing Fortunes in Green Bay & The Quarterback Question

[09:20–12:29]

• Packers’ hopes, buoyed by moves and last year’s performance, have faded with injuries and coordinators leaving. Jonas: “It’s a completely different looking Green Bay team.”
• Is Jordan Love the franchise QB? LaVar compares his trajectory to C.J. Stroud: “Did we see their best football in that one season?”
• Jonas speculates trust and clutch under pressure, comparing Jordan Love unfavorably to rookie Caleb Williams: “If I were to ask you—alright, you need a winning drive from one of these quarterbacks—who are you gonna…” “I’m going with Caleb.” [12:09]

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5. Patience or Pressure: QB Rookie Development

[13:33–18:15]

• The hosts analyze the Raiders’ plan to let rookie Fernando Mendoza sit behind a veteran, questioning if there's any point in drafting a QB #1 overall if you don’t start him.
• LaVar’s advice: don’t spend a top pick on a QB unless he’s going to play now—unless you have “a first ballot, bona fide Hall of Famer” ahead of him.
• LaVar: “You brought him in as the number one pick. He should be starting day one. I don’t care. Oh you got to earn it. No, you don’t. You earned it by being the number one draft pick.” [17:09]

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6. Ravens Rumors: Lamar Jackson, Max Crosby & AJ Brown

[18:15–21:31]

• Drumming up speculation: cryptic social media posts by Lamar, rumors of the Ravens entering a Max Crosby sweepstakes, and talk of potential recruits like AJ Brown (with help from Derrick Henry’s friendship).
• LaVar riffs on the “grey area” of player-to-player recruiting during the legal tampering period.

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7. Cultural/Food Humor

[21:13–22:17]

• A relatable sidetrack as Jonas and LaVar swap stories about seasoning (Old Bay vs. Tapatio, cultural eating pressures); serves to humanize and keep the conversation fun, reflecting the show's accessible tone.

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Medical Deep-Dive: Dr. David Chao Joins

[27:36–40:39]

8. Injury Recovery and Return-to-Play Timelines

[28:07–29:15]

• Jayson Tatum’s quick return from an Achilles tear is celebrated, but Dr. Chao points out that not all return-to-play cases are the same: “Just because someone’s back, doesn’t mean they’re 100%.” [28:56]
• Dr. Chao details that while Tatum’s recovery is fast, it’s not unprecedented (citing Wesley Matthews, Kobe Bryant, others).

9. Max Crosby’s Trade Value & Health Status

[29:15–31:15]

• Crosby underwent a meniscus repair (not a trim), so his timeline for a clean bill of health (and thus a trade) is longer: “Meniscus repair recoveries are minimum four to six months...I would imagine, technically he does not pass a physical today.” [30:00]

10. Reggie Miller’s 'Early Surgery' Theory, Debunked

[32:28–34:35]

• Dr. Chao challenges the idea that superfast surgery “tricks the body” into a better recovery. “I love Reggie Miller...but I don’t know there’s any medical factual basis for this.” [32:46]
• Advanced recovery also attributed to modern therapies (like blood flow restriction), not just rapid surgery.

11. Caleb Downs’ Combine Red Flag

[35:34–38:00]

• On reports about Downs’ supposed medical red flags: “A third of athletes at the combine are flagged in some way—but that doesn’t mean they’re going to drop in the draft or be undraftable.”
• NFL teams care most about whether a player will make it through their first contract—not necessarily if they’re a “15-year starter.” [37:20]

12. Patrick Mahomes’ Injury: 2026 Outlook

[38:00–40:22]

• Mahomes suffered a multi-ligament knee injury (ACL and LCL), making his Week 1 status doubtful. Dr. Chao says, “I don’t think he’ll be 100% himself Week 1...If there’s any additional risk, they may not have him playing at the start of next season.” [39:22]

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Bonus: Memorable Moments & Sidebars

13. Russell Westbrook Press Conference Exchange

[44:35–48:09]

• Westbrook flips the script on the local Sacramento media postgame, challenging their insights, asking if they attend practice or film sessions:
  • Westbrook: “Where do you get your context from? Are you in practice? No. At our film session? No.” [45:29]
• Jonas and LaVar delight in this classic “you never played the game” moment: “I gotta be honest with you, man...when the player drops the ‘you never played the game’ card or something along those lines, I think it’s hilarious because it really is the kill shot.” —Jonas [47:13]

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14. College Football & NIL Explosion

[42:21–44:18]

• Discussion around Brian Kelly’s comments and reports LSU’s football roster may cost $40 million+: “Maybe a little bit more. More than 40, I’ll tell you that.” —LaVar Arrington [43:03]
• Hosts riff on how much NIL and open payments have distorted the college football landscape.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Roster Cuts & NFL Market: 03:32–05:40
• Packers Release Rashan Gary: 05:40–07:16
• Lions’ Lost Core & Campbell’s Comments: 07:16–09:20
• Packers’ QB Situation: 09:20–12:29
• Rookie Quarterbacks: Patience or Pressure?: 13:33–18:15
• Ravens Rumors (Lamar, Crosby, AJ Brown): 18:15–21:31
• Dr. Chao Medical Insights Begins: 27:36
• Tatum/Achilles Recovery: 28:07–29:15 & 32:28–34:35
• Max Crosby Trade/Health Update: 29:15–31:15
• Caleb Downs Combine Medical: 35:34–38:00
• Mahomes’ Injury: 38:00–40:22
• Russell Westbrook vs. Media: 44:35–48:09
• LSU Football NIL Budget: 42:21–44:18

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Notable Quotes

• “You brought him in as the number one pick. He should be starting day one. I don’t care. Oh, you got to earn it. No, you don’t. You earned it by being the number one draft pick.”—LaVar Arrington [17:09]
• “I love Reggie Miller...but I don’t know that there’s any medical factual basis for this...[the body] recognizes that there is a tear immediately.”—Dr. David Chao [32:46]
• "When the player drops the ‘you never played the game’ card...I think it’s hilarious because it really is the kill shot.”—Jonas Knox [47:13]

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode blends sharp NFL analysis, humor, and insider medical context. Jonas and LaVar challenge conventional draft and free agency wisdom, push for transparency in rookie QB development, and have no qualms about pointing out team missteps or the absurdity of mega-million college football rosters. Dr. Chao’s sobering injury assessments bring credible depth, while lighter moments (like the Westbrook smackdown and food banter) ensure an easy, engaging listen.

Ideal for listeners who want NFL offseason context, candid opinions on league pivots, and a peek into the realities behind player injuries and contract maneuvering—all delivered with personality and expertise.

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[LaVar Arrington]

Now let's get this party started.

[Jonas Knox]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. And away we go. Final hour of the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Levar Arrington. I'm Jonas Knox in for calling on this Friday. We'll be taking you live all the way up until the end of this hour, 3 o' clock Eastern Time, noon Pacific. If you're listening on the podcast, we appreciate you doing so, you can find us on the iHeartRadio app here live. You can listen on hundreds of affiliates. You can also hear Lavar and I during the week on two pros and a cup of joe alongside Brady Quinn. 6 to 9am Eastern Time, 3 o' clock to 6am Pacific Time as we get you set for the weekend. Lots of moving and shaking in the NFL. Lots of lots of deals being done. We talked earlier about the release of Geno Smith, maybe not the biggest surprise. Geno Smith, who made, I think about $58 million, if I'm not mistaken, 58 million from the Raiders. Little take home. Raiders also gave up, I believe, a third round pick to do that also. Uh, so he is gone. The report from Diana Rossini is that if they do plan to move forward with Fernando Mendoza as the number one pick, which they most likely are, that they're going to hope that he sits initially and that they bring in a veteran who's going to be the starter there. Uh, which doesn't seem like it makes a whole hell of a lot of sense, but nonetheless there's that. You mentioned Rashawn Gary. He's out in Green Bay. So he's done. Rashawn Gary is done. He posted a goodbye to social media. Taylor Decker, the left tackle for the Lions, he is also out in Detroit. So this is, this is the time of year where you're just, you're seeing cost cutting and cost cap casualties left and right around the National Football League. And I know that you look at it, you go, well, the best players are all retained and they don't reach free agency. So that, man, there's some really talented players out there that are going to be looking for work and are going to get gobbled up here pretty quickly that just couldn't make it work financially with their previous teams.

[LaVar Arrington]

The Rashad Gary one, that, that's a little peculiar. I mean, you just brought in Micah Parsons to be what I would consider a great compliment to what Rashawn Gary brings to, to the table. Now, if you feel like that's kind of a getting rid of a guy before it's too late type of an approach, then maybe, maybe that makes a ton of sense, I guess. But why would you only give the Michael Parsons Rashawn Gary experiment one season? Yeah, I would, I would think that you would want to give it another, another go considering that Micah had the setback with his knee. But I, I mean the amount of success that they were able to, to have having them both on the field was, was tremendous. I mean, this, you're talking about a team that we looked at as a potential super bowl con competitive team. So that's a tad bit curious. But I think it does make the, the now free agent market a little bit. What, A little bit better than what it was the day before with him, with him entering into it. I mean, we said it wasn't very impressive thus far, but, but maybe with the additions of some, some, you know, guys that get let go leading up to free agency in the start of the, the new, the new league year, maybe maybe it does improve, you know, maybe, maybe it does get dramatically better. Maybe not dramatically, but better enough.

[Jonas Knox]

I just think. And look, a lot of this maybe is set up for moves that could be coming down the pike and that could be the Lions, you know, addressing the offensive line in some other way. I also look at it and so, you know, this is an indication that if you've got an opportunity to go for it and win a championship and win your super bowl, when you get close, you got to cash in.

[LaVar Arrington]

Got to cash in.

[Jonas Knox]

Because we were talking about this on our show earlier this week. It was Dan Campbell who said, you know, maybe we'll never get that close again.

[LaVar Arrington]

And he could be right and like, it could be a painful message to somebody. He's right.

[Jonas Knox]

And it's like, well, yeah, Dan, like maybe you should have kicked a couple field goals there. I mean, if that's, if that's the case, I don't know, it's like a guy who loses all of his money on blackjack and he goes, you know, maybe that's as close as I was going to get to being rich. Well, yeah. So why'd you hit on 18? Like, I don't, you know, play it safe from time to time.

[LaVar Arrington]

Gotta take a chance.

[Jonas Knox]

So now you've just seen, you've seen what's happened with the Lions since then and you go, all right, so Taylor Decker's gone. And look, he was a little banged up and coming off the. But that's one thing. David Montgomery's out, Ben Johnson's gone, Aaron Glenn's gone. Like, it's just what that foundation was for. The Lions is gone. And so when you consider you were in an NFC title game and were leading that NFC title game against the Niners and blew that game, and then the next year you were hosting a playoff game against Washington and got knifed in front of your, in front of your fans, like that could have just

[LaVar Arrington]

been one of them days. Cuz Washington kind of took a step, big step back this time and so did Detroit. Yeah, they did. They took all, they stepped, all. They stepped, they stepped into the, they, they stepped into the basement to the, the non finish route.

[Jonas Knox]

They entered the non playoff portal.

[LaVar Arrington]

You know that one part of the basement, you're like, huh, we should probably finish this part of the basement off. They were standing on gravel and dirt.

[Jonas Knox]

So like you look at Detroit and you go, all right, you wonder how much the Ben Johnson effect was a real effect there, that they couldn't make it work this year and what they were missing. And then from the packers standpoint, the packers go for it. Year felt like last year it seemed

[LaVar Arrington]

like that could have been it.

[Jonas Knox]

That was the one where you make the Micah Parsons move. They were all, I already thought Green Bay was going to the super bowl before that move. And then you added Micah Parsons and the thought was, oh, that was, that was the missing piece. And it really looked like that for a while. And then all of a sudden, tight end gets injured, little things start to pop up. Micah Parsons get injured, gets injured. You lose a couple of awful games, blow games against your arch rival. And now I'm starting to look around going man, maybe if you're Green Bay now, Rashawn Gary's gone. So to your point, you had that duo coming off the edge. You had that as pass rushers. Now you don't have that. And you, you don't even have one of them because Micah Parsons, who knows how long it's going to be before he's back and back to full health and 100%, it's a completely different looking Green Bay team.

[LaVar Arrington]

Different.

[Jonas Knox]

And your defensive coordinator left, Jeff Halfley left and now he's, you know, the head coach of the Dolphins. So a lot of turnover there.

[LaVar Arrington]

Okay, so Jordan Love had a breakout, and I mean a breakout year in 2023. His numbers aren't bad in 24 and 25. But Jonas, I'll pose this. Did you find yourself having more questions about Jordan Love as the starting franchise quarterback for the Green Bay packers at the conclusion of this season? Much like some of the other teams that, that we talked about with a guy like in very, very clear form comparison, thus like the quarterback in Houston.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[LaVar Arrington]

We thought C.J. strout was on a meteoric rise. I think we took the same approach with Jordan Love. There's this meteoric rise. But did you find yourself having questions as to did we see their best football in that one season that they had in the early on start of their career?

[Jonas Knox]

You know what jumped out to me about Jordan Love? And it's, it's a small sample size because, you know, he got knock knocked out of the first game and it was Malik Willis who finished it. But when you were watching that playoff game in Chicago, and again, keep in mind this is. Jordan Loves had playoff experience and played pretty well in the postseason. Caleb Williams had no playoff experience and was dealing when, when the game was on the line. He was dealing when the game was on the line. If I were to ask you, all right, you need a winning drive from one of these quarterbacks. Who are you going to.

[LaVar Arrington]

I'm going with Caleb.

[Jonas Knox]

It just felt like there's something there that isn't there. Yeah. That Jordan.

[LaVar Arrington]

There's something that's there.

[Jonas Knox]

So. Yeah.

[LaVar Arrington]

That isn't there.

[Jonas Knox]

And you mentioned, and you mentioned C.J. you mentioned C.J. stroud. C.J. stroud looked broken.

[LaVar Arrington]

I mean, that was like that story you told me about. Hey, listen, if you don't want to be with me beyond tonight, I get it. Like, because that's what he definitely.

[Jonas Knox]

Oh, when I went to bed. Yeah, I don't care. Hey, she married me. It's her fault. Yeah. I told her Dead sober, was exhausted, working three jobs, you know, early on in my radio career, and, you know, woke up in a puddle. And she was nice enough to say, well, it's really hot in here. Maybe you're just sweating. No, no, I'm not. No, that was. That 50 ounces of water I had to switch.

[LaVar Arrington]

My sweat is not yellow.

[Jonas Knox]

In my 30s, wetting the bed. And I told her, hey, listen, if you never want to talk to me again, I totally get it. Thankfully, there was a language barrier. But the point is. The point is.

[LaVar Arrington]

That's so good.

[Jonas Knox]

She stuck.

[LaVar Arrington]

That was so good.

[Jonas Knox]

She stuck it through. All right, and the rest is history.

[LaVar Arrington]

But it's all downhill from here, right? I mean, if we could get through this, we can get through anything is what it is. But, I mean, that had to be the conversation that CJ Stroud had with his teammates.

[Jonas Knox]

Just so you're. Yeah, you're watching there. There does appear like there's teams going into this year, and that's why when Tui brought up the fact that Colin said in a top 10 draft, Aaron Rodgers would be in the top 10, why it makes sense for a year is because I think everybody's anticipating this next draft class. It's not this one. It's the one after. And you've got all of these quarterbacks that. That got franchise money, like Kyler Murray and Tua Taga Bailoa, and those organizations couldn't wait to get rid of them. Like, they couldn't wait to move off of them. And so I do wonder if we're at the point now which. Which circles all the way back to the Raiders decision to reportedly not want to start Fernando Mendoza right away. I think teams, I can understand a. You want to. You want to slow it down. You want to, you know, take a slow pace to try and develop these quarterbacks and these starters in the league. But I also think at some point, you'd like to know whether or not they can play. And the only way you do that is if you throw them out there. Got to put them in and. And put them in the line of

[LaVar Arrington]

fire and see if you got Aaron Rogers that's in front of your quarterback that has been there like a Brett far when Aaron Rodgers came in. If you have a. I don't know. I mean, you. You get my point. Like, you have a. A great established QB that's in front of you that you're playing.

[Jonas Knox]

Drew Bledsoe was. Was in front of you. Not that he was brought into to. To be groomed, but like you had an established starter.

[LaVar Arrington]

It, it makes sense if you, and listen, Tom Brady's different because it was, he was a late draft pick. So it's not like you were you, you spent a number one overall draft pick. I'm saying number one overall. You got a number one pick overall and you took a quarterback and you have an established quarterback that's in the twilight of their career. I get it. You want to bring him along slow. He's going to learn and, and listen, I, I think it's overblown to say have a mentor in this coach. No, it's not mentor. It's be responsible enough as a rookie and a pro to learn, watch and listen. Be seen, not heard. Be present.

[Jonas Knox]

Right.

[LaVar Arrington]

But not in the way. Be a fly on the wall. Listen to what Aaron Rodgers, that, that vet is saying. Listen to what his reads are. Listen to how he communicates with the coaching staff. Listen to how he communicates with the receivers. Learn what it's like to be a Patrick Mahomes. Learn what it's like to be a Josh Allen in these situations. Learn it. A Tom Brady. Learn it and then you apply it. And sometimes it doesn't even work. But you have a better opportunity because you have a model to, to compare and to learn from at this early stage of your career. Is it breaking news? I, I, I'll say this. If you're spending a number one overall draft pick on a QB and you do not have a first ballot bonafide hall of Famer that's playing good football when you bring him in that, into that building. Do not use a number one draft pick on a quarterback.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[LaVar Arrington]

Do not do it. I would, I would strongly advise you, do not spend a number one pick on somebody that you are not planning on using. I want him throwing the ball the minute we call his name. Get sign your contract the minute you sign your name.

[Jonas Knox]

Pat. And go lines.

[LaVar Arrington]

Come on, man. Riverside.

[Dr. David Chao]

Yeah.

[Jonas Knox]

Look at Cam Ward. You know what? You could say whatever you want about what the Titans were last year and they were a bucket of puke. Totally, totally get it.

[LaVar Arrington]

Don't matter.

[Jonas Knox]

But you know what? At least, at least you've got some information on the guy you have some understanding of. All right? This is where he's struggling at this level and this is what we need

[LaVar Arrington]

to do moving forward. Exactly, exactly.

[Jonas Knox]

That's why I look at I get

[LaVar Arrington]

your measure, get your measurements, get your gang, your data. We live in a data driven age. Get the data. It's a number one overall draft pick. You're Going to tell me you're getting your data out of practice? Doubt it. Ain't no way. Ain't no way you're making that kid better as a football player. When you brought him in as a number one overall draft pick. As a quarterback. As a quarterback. That is the position you do not want to mess with. In that way, you brought him in as the number one pick. He should be starting day one. I don't care. Oh, you got to earn it. No, you don't. You earned it by being the number one draft pick in the.

[Dr. David Chao]

In.

[Jonas Knox]

In.

[LaVar Arrington]

In this year's draft.

[Jonas Knox]

Now, something to keep an eye on Lamar Jackson.

[LaVar Arrington]

You got to earn it to keep it. Yeah, but you ain't got to earn it to do it.

[Jonas Knox]

Now something to keep an eye on. Lamar Jackson has been a little active on social media. Today he posted an Instagram story saying thank you, Jesus as he was in his Ravens gear. He posted the from Training Day the the gif of Denzel Washington saying boom on his social media. And there's been some rumblings that the Ravens are a team to watch in the Max Crosby sweepstakes. So who knows? It could be they need it. There could be three different ways this is happening for the Ravens. Either Lamar Jackson got his deal done cause they were trying to figure out a way to. To rework his contract and get his. Get a new deal done with him. Or there's a Max Crosby trade. Or who knows, Maybe Lind's back. May. Maybe all three.

[LaVar Arrington]

So I would not be surprised if all three were to happen. Could be all three.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[LaVar Arrington]

And.

[Jonas Knox]

And.

[LaVar Arrington]

And I'm surprised they didn't get a DJ more. But, but, but it was brought up in.

[Jonas Knox]

In.

[LaVar Arrington]

In. In our update in the news update earlier on. Don't be surprised if they land somebody like. Like AJ Brown. And keep in mind, the recruitment of it could be real. One aspect of it that we didn't mention. Who's a running back for the Baltimore Ravens who has a friendship and a history with A.J. brown.

[Jonas Knox]

Oh, it's a good point.

[LaVar Arrington]

Oh, so we're in that we're entering into that legal tampering time of the year. But let's think about it. Is it tampering? If you the homie. You know what I mean? All I'm saying is, is it tampering? If I called you and asked you how's the off season going for you? How's the family? Where we going to hang? I see you at prime whatever. You know what I'm saying? We might throw some Ones up in the air, you know. You know, who knows?

[Jonas Knox]

I think there's a, you know, a big difference between, you know, blatantly offering a guy a contract who's currently not out of his previous contract, or trying to trade with a player and negotiate with a player directly, which you. Which you can't do. And there's a big difference between that and, you know, maybe Lamar Jackson says, hey, man, you know, let's get together. I know a lunch truck in Baltimore that I've been seen at, and if you want to get some Mongolian barbecue while we are flying high like, you, just let me know.

[LaVar Arrington]

Believe you me, them is oxtails. And I was talking about Derrick Henry and his relationship with AJ Brown when they were both in Tennessee. To all of those out there, I might have sounded cryptic, but just to make sure we're clear, AJ Brown and Derrick Henry, friends and were teammates together in. In Tennessee.

[Jonas Knox]

Roll up a crab cake and smoke them if you got them. Telling you, man.

[LaVar Arrington]

Hey, hey, that crab cake strand is. Is fire, too. Throw a little bit of Old Bay on there.

[Jonas Knox]

I was, by the way. I was unfamiliar with Old Bay until you told me about it.

[LaVar Arrington]

Some Old Bay.

[Jonas Knox]

It's a real deal, huh?

[LaVar Arrington]

What?

[Jonas Knox]

I had no idea.

[LaVar Arrington]

Bomb, baby.

[Jonas Knox]

I had no idea. Listen, man, my wife's Mexican, so if I'm not eating tapatiya, I mean, if I'm not eating what they make, they'll hold me at gunpoint.

[LaVar Arrington]

What's the. What's the orange? What's the orange they got.

[Jonas Knox]

Oh, you got tapatio. You got a Valentino.

[LaVar Arrington]

That's what it is.

[Jonas Knox]

Tabasco. Yeah, you get all sorts of fun stuff.

[LaVar Arrington]

They put that tap of to. On the candy. They put it on. On the rim of their. Their drinks. Like what. What else they put it on there. There's a whole bunch of other stuff

[Jonas Knox]

that they put the tap and. And they won't let you.

[LaVar Arrington]

They put on fruit.

[Jonas Knox]

They won't let you leave unless you eat. So if you're hungry, you got to come up with new. So one of the things I did so good. Yeah. So one of the things I do is if. If. If I tell them, no, I'm not hungry, I know I'm going to get asked two or three more times by our family. So I'll just pick up anything next to me and pretend it's a phone. Like, I'll grab somebody's shoe and be like, yeah, I'm still here, and just walk out of the room so I don't have to deal with it anymore

[LaVar Arrington]

if it was a sneaker.

[Jonas Knox]

Oh, anything. Yeah. Remote control. Like, you know, DirecTV remote. Yeah, still here.

[LaVar Arrington]

So good.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah. Oh, it's great.

[LaVar Arrington]

It's so good.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah. So we'll keep you posted. Who knows what Lamar Jackson's referring to on his social media? Oh, it's going to come out. It is the herd here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for calling. Up next, we're going to find out what risks could be had later on tonight with the return of a superstar in the world of sports. And it's yours here on fsr. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd Wheat days at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

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[Dr. David Chao]

I'm doing great. Look at you guys. Big time here.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah, we are big time. So let me ask you, you obviously were the physician, team physician in the NFL for almost two decades. You've been around this st for years and years and years. When you see Jason Tatum return this quickly, yet somebody like a Dame Lillard and a Tyrese Halliburton, there's not even a thought they'd come back this year. How much of this do you think was sped up based on the fact that the Celtics have a chance to win a title?

[Dr. David Chao]

Well, return to play is always multifactorial. Not every injury is the same, not every recovery is the same, not every rehab is the same, and not every situation is the same. This is a nice quick recovery for Jayson Tatum. Hats off to him. But it's also not the quickest one in NBA history. I mean, Wesley Matthews, Kobe Bryant, Rudy Gay, Dominique Wilkins, Chauncey Billups all came back a little bit quicker than Jayson Tatum. Of course, we all look at the longer returns for Kevin Durant, who did return to 100% and we say this is nice, quick return. And you mentioned some other guys, but return to play doesn't mean someone is 100%. And as great as Tatum has done, I doubt he's Jayson Tatum at 100% when he comes back to play tonight. I think it's spot play. Working himself in with the Celtics, who have a very good team, playoff bound, figuring out what his role is and get acclimated ahead of the playoffs. But still, kudos to him for all the hard work that he is engendered.

[LaVar Arrington]

All right, so we talked a, a few, a lot, I guess some, some different topics at the super bowl, but one of the things was the, the Max Crosby conversation and, and you know, the concerns about what he may or may not have going on. What is the the. Do you have a latest update on Max Crosby's health? Was this more a shutting him down based off of where the team was, or was it based off of really protecting him and what would perceive to be, you know, a sore knee?

[Dr. David Chao]

Look, I'm not inside the building in terms of rumors and what's going on. Look at Mike Silver, Jay Glazier's, others reporting the possible trade and that he's done. But from a medical perspective, I think the narrative that we had in December that the Raiders were tanking, they were shutting Max Crosby down against his will, is really not correct. They were shutting him down for his own good. It turns out it was a meniscus repair, not a trim. Meniscus trim is a much smaller surgery, quicker recovery. Meniscus repair is much longer, as a matter of fact. Obviously, I haven't examined Max Crosby, but I would imagine technically he does not pass a physical today because it's only March, it's only three months from the meniscus repair. Meniscus repair recoveries are minimum four to six months. So that may be what is complicating the potential trade, not just the asking price. But he has to pass the physical, and no trade is consummated or final until a physical is passed. If he's wanting to get traded, certainly he could share his electronic or other medical records so a team could project him to be healthy. But as of today, I don't think he passes a physical. And maybe there is a role in that, in terms of teams not pulling the trigger or perhaps not beating the asking Price yet.

[Jonas Knox]

Dr. David Chow joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for the Herd. Let me ask you one thing, because we were kind of kicking this around just to go back quickly on the Jason Tatum stuff. Reggie Miller spoke on the Dan Patrick show and was mentioning that, you know, based on the, the documentary and sort of, sort of how things, timeline wise, happen. Listen to Reggie Miller's explanation as to what he saw in watching the Tatum documentary as to why he's back this quick. The best thing, if there was, knock on wood, the best thing when he tore his Achilles in game five, I believe in New York, that the doctor was right there, that they attached it right away. And the thinking was the body didn't even know that it had that traumatic experience. That's how quickly, within 24 hours, they had the surgery on the Achilles. So that's why he is so far ahead of schedule versus a Damian Lillard or Tyrese Halliburton is because they had the surgery. When you hear that, do you buy that thought? That because the doctor happened to be there, they got the surgery done so quickly the body didn't recognize the trauma, it went under? Does that make sense to you from a medical standpoint?

[Dr. David Chao]

I love Reggie Miller and I'll take all kinds of three point shooting advice from him, but I don't know that there's any medical factual basis for this. Certainly doing the surgery in one day is perhaps better than doing it in a week or two, which is what happens in the normal world for us mere mortals. But I don't think, I think the body recognizes that there is a tear immediately. Jayson Tatum recognized there's a tear immediately. Could there be a little less swelling in there? Okay, maybe. But I think it's his hard work, rehab and sometimes the type of tear that allows him to return. And quite honestly, where the Celtics are, where he really wants to return. Whereas no offense to Kevin Durant, in Kevin Durant's situation, who tore it in the NBA finals, besides being a big man, seven footer, and besides it being June, he waited all that next season and into the next fine into the following season to make sure he really was 100%. And when he came back, he really was 100%. This is why I'm saying I'm not sure Jason Tatum is 100% right now. I'm not saying he can't come back and be effective. What Reggie says is awesome, but I would say is the recovery for Achilles is also being accelerated by other things. Blood flow restriction therapy is part of it. I've seen in that same documentary that Jason Tatum has some of those tourniquet type devices on to help blood flow restriction to help healing. That is something that, you know, we saw Aaron Rodgers do when he tried to return in the same season in the NFL, didn't make it back because the jets didn't make the playoffs. But there's a lot of things accelerating the recovery. I think only a very smart part. I mean, look, I'd love it to get credit to say the doctor was there and therefore we really helped out. Which, you know, is great. And I hope the doctor helped out certainly from a psychological perspective and being there and getting the right diagnosis and reassuring Jason Tatum on his return. But the body does recognize a rupture or a tear immediately.

[LaVar Arrington]

Okay, and looking at where Jayson Tatum is, is there any risk of, of there being any type of re injury of any kind of. Any sort of.

[Dr. David Chao]

Well, when you say any risk, the answer is yes. And I'm not trying to scare Celtics fans and I'm not saying he's not ready. But, you know, any sort of quick, eccentric load is the Achilles is strong today as it will be months from now. Answer is probably no. This is why Durant took, you know, 500 days to return. Kudos to Tatum for wanting to return. But I don't think, once again, he's 100%. And I'll give you something else, he's not 100% safe. If you really want to talk about it. And I hope I don't jinx the man. And on the other side, it's not uncommon to have a second Achilles happen after a first. We've seen it in the NFL in many instances. Terrell Suggs is one that comes to mind. So I hope saying that doesn't place any jinx Jon Jayson Tatum.

[Jonas Knox]

Dr. David Chow joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for the Herd. What can you tell us about Caleb Downs, the prospect? He was at the combine. There was a medical red flag, something about the acl. What can you tell us about that situation? And it is something to monitor.

[Dr. David Chao]

It's something to monitor, but I don't make a lot of it, first of all, not at all distress, distrusting the reporter that said it, not distrusting the source or scout that said it. But in my time in the NFL, I've been to 20 combines and I always met with the GM or assistant GM. It was never with a scout. And therefore there is the game of telephone. That can happen. And let me tell you something. If you're talking about a player getting flagged at combines, out of the 330 players that are there, there are one or two at most that are flagged to extent which is do not draft. You cannot draft them. There are probably about 30 or 40 or so, sometimes up to 50 red flags where someone has an issue that currently at the combines they don't pass a physical, but they could project to pass a physical. So it's sort of a stop sign there. And there's probably another, a third of the 330, 100 or more that have a yellow flag, which is some history of injury that might affect their longevity or something down the road, but that doesn't always affect their draft status at all. So I guess what I'm saying is just because someone is flagged, I'd say a third of athletes at the combines are flagged in some way. But that doesn't mean they're going to drop in the draft or be undraftable. And I'm old enough that when I first started going to combines, GMs would tell me, is this guy going to be our left tackle for the next 12, 15 years? Well, by the time I was done, the question was, is this guy going to get us through? Get through his first contract is all they cared about. Right. And there are other instances too. You know, there was a draft pick, Sony Michelle for the patriots in the 32nd pick in the first round where we said he's got degenerative knees and he's not going to last. But guess what, the Patriots rode him to a Super bowl in his rookie year. He did not have a long career, but they wrote him to a Super bowl in that first year. So there's all sorts of reasons for picking players. And I don't make a ton out of the Caleb Downs report so far.

[Jonas Knox]

One last one for you here, Dr. Chow, Patrick Mahomes, what's the realistic timeline for him? Because we're talking about, you know, these moves Kansas City's making. You know, they're trading away, you know, star players on defense, they're restructuring contracts. We're looking at this as is this the end of the run for Kansas City as a legitimate super bowl contender. And one of the things that's kind of been buried in all this is Mahomes is coming off a pretty serious injury. First of his career. Really to this extent at his age, when do you expect him to be full go for next year?

[Dr. David Chao]

Well, Patrick Mahomes has been a beast in terms of his play and also getting through injuries. We remember him playing through a high ankle sprain and winning the super bowl on that. This knee injury is a little bit different. It's more than just an ACL and we've talked about it a lot at Sports Injury Central. Sicscore.com It's a multi ligament injury called where he tore his LCL as well as his acl which is why he had the accelerated immediate surgery. Not because his body wouldn't recognize it but because it's a repair of the LCL and then a reconstruction of the ACL makes it more complicated. The best comp for this as a quarterback actually was Carson Wentz when he was with the Eagles. It happened in LA against the Rams. Torres, LCL and acl. Nick Foles came in and won the Super Bowl. Carson Wentz was not ready for week one last year. He rushed it back week four or so and ended up with some back issues compensatorily. Here's the thing. Could Patrick do I expect Patrick Mahomes to return to 100% or being Patrick Mahomes the magician that he is? The answer is yes. Will that happen week one? That is definitely in question. I don't think he'll be 100% himself Week 1. Is he healthy enough to try and play Week 1? Maybe. Will he want to play Week 1? Certainly. Will the Chiefs let him play Week 1 when he's not 100%? That's the bigger question mark. And they may exercise some caution because he is absolutely the franchise. You don't want him to not be 100% and suffer another injury. And I think they're going to take it day by day and see how he is. But if there's any additional risk they may not have him playing at the start of next season given the severity of the knee injury.

[Jonas Knox]

Me Dr. David Chow, always appreciate it. You can get him on X at pro Football, Doc, and we look forward to updates when with some of the wheelings and dealings happening happen. And we'll monitor the Jason Tatum situation. Good stuff, Doc. We appreciate you man.

[Dr. David Chao]

Thank you guys.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yes sir.

[Dr. David Chao]

Thank you.

[Jonas Knox]

There he is, Dr. David Chow with us here on Fox Sports Radio. It's lavar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for the Herd here. Coming up next, we are going to close up shop with the Herdline news and we're what may be one of the great post game press conferences we've heard in a long time and that's yours here on fsr. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. It's a herd on Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin As a reminder, you can hear Lavar and I with Brady Quinn weekday morning 6 to 9am Eastern time in two pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, we're actually going to be back though on this time slot coming up on Monday as well too. So you were going to bookend the weekend here. You'll get Black and Drac today and you'll get it on Monday.

[LaVar Arrington]

How about it?

[Jonas Knox]

And for those wondering what is Black and Drac? I look like Dracula and I look

[LaVar Arrington]

like a black man.

[Jonas Knox]

So use your radio creativity to figure that out. But if you've missed any of this show though, you'll want to catch the podcast. Just search two pros wherever you get your podcast right after show. Today's pod will be posted, so be sure to follow it. Rated 5 stars. You can even provide a review. Again, just search two pros. Whoever get your podcast. You'll find today's full show and a best of version posted right after we get off the air.

[LaVar Arrington]

Turn on the news.

[Jonas Knox]

This is the Herdline news break two. Yeah.

[Kelvin Washington]

No standing ovation this hour, Jonas.

[Dr. David Chao]

There we go. I love it.

[Kelvin Washington]

I love it. I wish everyone could see that. Lavar, you're gonna like this one.

[LaVar Arrington]

Let's do it.

[Kelvin Washington]

Brian Kelly is back. He has resurfaced as the price of college football rosters continue to skyrocket around the country. Listen to what Brian Kelly, the former LSU coach, said this morning on Sirius XM on the state of College football and LSU's roster next year.

[LaVar Arrington]

College football is not in a bad place.

[Jonas Knox]

The revenue is ridiculous. Like, I don't even know how LSU is doing it right. They're paying Lane Kiffin whatever they're paying me. That's crazy. Crazy. That shouldn't happen. But it is because the money is out there. So the problems are real. But college football is still in a pretty good place.

[Dr. David Chao]

It's in a great place.

[Jonas Knox]

And they're paying a 40 million dollar roster, by the way, down there. I mean, maybe a little more.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah, maybe a little bit more.

[Jonas Knox]

If you want to tell us how much more. What you know, we'd love that.

[LaVar Arrington]

With that, with that being said, More than 40, I'll tell you that.

[Kelvin Washington]

More than $40 million for LSU's roster. Now, Colin has said the SEC is in real trouble with NIL because basically they have schools like Texas and A and M keeping them afloat with all their big business tech and oil money. And unlike the Big Ten, they don't have the luxury of the Nike money and the financial money of Chicago, New York markets and the Hollywood money in LA, UCLA, USC. So I mean, this is crazy. Like LSU, I don't know how they can afford a $40 million roster, but

[Jonas Knox]

it's, it's so out of control that there's like, there's no guardrails in place. And then you hear, my favorite is when you hear guys like Brian Kelly and other people involved in college football take shots at other people and like

[LaVar Arrington]

it wasn't when they, when they was the coach, it was good enough.

[Jonas Knox]

Like, it's like, it's like two serial killers next to each other and one looks over at the other and goes, God, really?

[Dr. David Chao]

What do you mean?

[Jonas Knox]

We're the, we're the same guy. What do you mean? Don't give me that look. It just. The whole thing's odd, but, you know, I guess if you got the money and you can. I just wish we could go back to the blue chips days where you could just buy somebody a tractor and they'd come to your store.

[LaVar Arrington]

It was just good enough. The tractor was good enough.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah. Why not, you know, get somebody's mom a job who doesn't. Doesn't deserve it and, you know, pay, you know, drop off a duffel bag full of cash and make it that

[Kelvin Washington]

we'd save the best. Usually this segment's called the best for last, right? We used to call it best for last. We've saved the best for last, Lavar.

[LaVar Arrington]

All right. Okay.

[Kelvin Washington]

So last night, Russell Westbrook turned the tables on the media. The Kings lost their 50th game of the season. They have the worst record in the NBA. Russell Westbrook has. Has been surprisingly quiet this year, but last night he let loose on the local assembly assembled Sacramento media, with the reporters starting the press conference, asking what they can accomplish in these last 19 games after hitting the 50 loss mark last night.

[Russell Westbrook]

You know, go out, compete. Just a game. You're a professional. Go out and play, and that's all you can do. Which I think, though, because y' all got a lot of answers and y' all always be talking.

[Kelvin Washington]

I got no answers.

[Russell Westbrook]

Oh, it's very interesting. Nobody.

[Jonas Knox]

I don't got.

[Russell Westbrook]

No, no, you guys have a lot of opinions about how we do what we doing. What you got. No, you. Yeah, yeah, you. You make a lot of statements and broad statements that you have no context. So where do you get your contacts from? Are you in practice?

[Dr. David Chao]

No.

[Russell Westbrook]

Are you at our film session?

[Dr. David Chao]

No.

[Russell Westbrook]

Are you anywhere around the building?

[Dr. David Chao]

Yes.

[Russell Westbrook]

No, I haven't seen her practice.

[Dr. David Chao]

Not inside the.

[Russell Westbrook]

So the, the false context of. And actually. Do you know me?

[Jonas Knox]

I know you.

[Russell Westbrook]

No, you don't know me. You don't know me. You don't know me, but you make a lot of comments as though you do know me.

[LaVar Arrington]

I comment about your basket.

[Russell Westbrook]

No, no, no. You don't mind intent. I. I see it. I see it. Anybody else, you guys have any comments about how we play? What. What we doing? You guys are quiet today, but you guys have a lot of comments when the game's going on. After the game, what we doing? What we should be doing. How we should be doing it?

[Jonas Knox]

Dang, I'm.

[Russell Westbrook]

I'm confused.

[Jonas Knox]

Hey.

[Russell Westbrook]

Oh, let me, Let me hear. You must have seen our Film session too.

[Jonas Knox]

I'm not in your film session, but you guys have the worst record in the NBA.

[Dr. David Chao]

Cool.

[Jonas Knox]

I think it's great.

[Kelvin Washington]

I think, I think this has happened more often where players start peppering the local media for how critical they are sometimes.

[LaVar Arrington]

I mean, why not, right?

[Kelvin Washington]

Lavar, you're a player.

[LaVar Arrington]

Well, I see you doing this and I am a current media personality.

[Dr. David Chao]

Right.

[Kelvin Washington]

See both sides of it.

[LaVar Arrington]

So I do see both sides of it. They have a job to do the, the media and obviously the player has a job to do. But when you have a player that takes the time to actually address it to the level that he just did, you know, and that, that soundbite. I mean, that's, I mean, think about it.

[Jonas Knox]

I do like, you know, I mean, I gotta be honest with you, man. I, and I know this is probably, I shouldn't feel this way because I'm a member of the quote unquote media. When the player drops the. You never played the game card or something along those lines. I think it's hilarious because it really is the kill shot.

[LaVar Arrington]

Like, what do you say?

[Dr. David Chao]

Really?

[LaVar Arrington]

You know what I mean? How do you, how do you combat, you know, you've never played.

[Jonas Knox]

You know, you're right. You know, you're absolutely right.

[LaVar Arrington]

I mean, but you can be a little bit more creative if you are the athlete because that is the easy go to.

[Jonas Knox]

Like you could, you know, you could easily, you know, shut them down. You know, like, I don't want to, you know, I'm not trying to turn this into a, you know, Brian Cox, Chris Meyer situation, but I would just say this. Yikes. That Russell Westbrook has shown he will bite back, whether it's a fan, whether it's a member of the media. He will talk back. And what's, what's interesting about, about it is that he was in the same locker room with Kevin Durant all those years. And Kevin Durant will do the same thing to where he'll go back at somebody on, on Twitter, he'll make a fake profile. Which makes me wonder what the hell was that to dynamic like between those two guys? No wonder it wasn't tenable after a while and they had to go elsewhere.

[Kelvin Washington]

But what does this also tell you? These guys are always paying attention.

[Jonas Knox]

Yes.

[Kelvin Washington]

Despite what they say. They not they are always paying attention to what you're said about them.

[LaVar Arrington]

We do pay attention.

[Kelvin Washington]

I mean, Russ clearly knew what exact reporters to go after. Like he literally, if you're watching the video of it, he's looking at specific guys going, what do you think?

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah, what do you think?

[Kelvin Washington]

But what do you think? And then it keeps going where other guys are asking him questions and he's just answering them. So he clearly had a targeted sort of agenda there last night.

[Jonas Knox]

Remember when he was celebrated when he signed the extension with Oklahoma City after Kevin Durant left? And everyone's like, hey, man, at least he showed some loyalty, bro. At least he was loyal, unlike that bastard Kevin Durant. He's been on six teams since.

[Dr. David Chao]

Yeah.

[Jonas Knox]

Russell West. Westbrook has literally traveled the globe playing basketball, and now he's on the Sacramento Kings.

[Kelvin Washington]

And guess what? I'm sure he'd like to be on another team had they cut him for playoff purposes.

[Jonas Knox]

And you know what? He's. He's been in the league 18 years now, which is wild to think about. I. Do you think Russell Westbrook's coming back next year?

[LaVar Arrington]

No.

[Jonas Knox]

Guaranteed.

[Kelvin Washington]

Oh, absolutely he's coming back.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah. Guaranteed. You don't think so? Oh, yeah. He'll find a job. No, he'll be there.

[LaVar Arrington]

No way.

[Jonas Knox]

Are we done?

[LaVar Arrington]

Are we done?

[Jonas Knox]

Russell Westbrook's gonna be there, man.

[LaVar Arrington]

I don't buy it. Not for one second do I buy Russell Wilson.

[Jonas Knox]

Josh. Josh Johnson of the NBA all.

[LaVar Arrington]

You might be right. He might be back. Hey, everybody, enjoy your weekend. Hope y' all enjoyed the show. Check out the podcast.

[Jonas Knox]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.