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THE HERD - Hour 3 - Raiders RB Raheem Mostert and Michigan HC Dusty May stopped by The Herd
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Raheem Mostert
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Rob Parker
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Colin Cowherd
So earlier in the show, about an hour ago, I had Matt Hasselbeck on and I said, I just love, I always liked Matt Hasselbeck's journey. Well, our next guest, four years at Purdue we which is not a high profile program. It's a great university. Raheem Mostert made the most of his NFL career. Eleven years, six teams, some of the best coaches. A couple years ago with Miami, you could not get him out of the end zone. And he is now joining us live. So my first take is why are you want to. Do you still want to play? Because you have been so product. When I think of you, I think of end zone. I think of a guy that figures out a way you've got good hands. You know, you're a bully down there. Would you play if offered a gig?
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Raheem Mostert
Oh, yeah, absolutely. I would definitely play. And first, first and foremost, this is like an honor just being on this show with you. You know, I think of the world of you, man. You're definitely one of, one of those guys up at the top that's doing unbelievable things. So thank, thank you for having me, man. This means a lot. But yeah, no, I definitely want to keep playing. You know, why not? You know, I, I felt, feel good, feel great. Didn't take as much beating last season, so want to continue to keep playing.
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Colin Cowherd
So I want to ask you about Mike McDaniel because I've said before, I don't know if he's a great head coach, but I know he's a good football coach. And for you, he figured out very quickly and I respect Mike for this. He's like, I got to get, I got to feed this guy.
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Raheem Mostert
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And so you were vital in this offense as a head coach. What went right with Mike McDaniel and what maybe didn't go right. What was your relationship with him?
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Raheem Mostert
Yeah, we had, we had a good relationship going into, you know, the Dolphins organization, but obviously things kind of flustered and went their, their own ways. But you know, at the beginning of everything, there's always a good story and good telling. You know, we, we, we did everything that we possibly could to, to maximize the opportunities that were given to us. And then, you know, he's a great, he's a great coach. You know, he, he listens to, to if guys are talking to you, he'll listen and you know, give them some, give them some advice. But head coach wise, obviously, you know, the past couple years, what they've been going through has just been, you know, kind of, kind of rough and, and I kind of feel bad for the players, you know, just because, you know, when you have a coach that, that is so, you know, player friendly, it doesn't really mix all that well. You know, I mean, look at, look at the coaching history. Not in, just in, in the NFL, but, you know, mlb, you know, all these different, these sports franchises, they, they have coaches that implement toughness, resilience, you know, and that's something that he kind of missed the mark on in being a head coach.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I, I think you nailed it. In fact, you were the tough quotient for him. And I, it's very interesting, Raheem, that you mentioned that because my, when I, when I, he got hired, my take, I said this on the air. I said, I know he's smart.
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Raheem Mostert
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And I know he knows offense. I said, but there is something about Mike Tomlin or Mike Rabel or Mike McDonald that there's a physical stature, there's sort of a tough guy thing. And I said, I Look at Mike McDaniel is more like super smart, little nerdy, whatever, you know. But you felt it as well that there was a lack of toughness in the Dolphins? You felt that a little bit.
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Raheem Mostert
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and on top of that, to go to your point, you know, when you're talking about with guys like, you know, Mike, Tomlin, Vrabel, know, some of these, I mean, even look at Belichick, it was, it was no nonsense bs. We get in here, we're getting the job done. And, and it's my way of the highway. You know, it's, it's pure. This is how we're going to coach it. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm essentially the ruler. I'm the one that's, you know, making these, these gains and, and also the failures. I have to accept that. But, you know, when you dealing with a coach that's so nonchalant, laid back, wants to be, you know, the, the catalyst behind being a, a players coach, it. It kind of shifts that organization and the pivot, you know, within that system. So which it can work for other, you know, other smaller league teams possibly. But, you know, when it, when you're dealing with somebody, something like that is as a player, you're like, no, I need somebody, you know, tough that's going to lay the hammer down when it needs to be down and tell other players to get in line. And, you know, when you don't got that, that impact can definitely be detrimental.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, let's talk Kyle Shanahan, who's always Been. That's. That's the first time I really, you know, a lot of people saw you. You know, we're like, oh, who is this guy? And again, you were a tough, physical back. Shanahan is known as a running back's friend. Did you know immediately with the Niners like, oh, this is going to work?
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Raheem Mostert
Yeah, absolutely. You know, I remember specifically, I don't want to go into too many crazy details. You know, I sat in a meeting room after one game. I put the ball on the, um. And he grabbed me and he said, hey, look, come to my office. Let me. Let me talk to you. And at that moment, he was just asking me, hey, look, like, what's going on? And I. I told him, hey, Coach, you know, you expect a lot out of me, but in practice, I don't get these looks in practice, I'm not, you know, getting that quality of work. And then you expect me to go into the game and. And do my job to the fullest. Now, yes, I'm a professional athlete. I should be able to do those things when I'm not getting those looks in practice. But, you know, I think that we need to. We need to change it up. I. I need to get more touches. That's how I roll. Like, you know, I'm more of, like, the physical, you know, let's get this thing rolling and then going. Come into the game on Sunday. Yeah, now you can see what I could really do. And he looked at me and he was like, you know what? You're right. I haven't seen you touch the ball all that much in practice. We're going to give you some more opportunities. And that's. That's the type of coach that you want, you know, a guy that's going to tell you exactly what's going to happen, and he's going to get it done. And that very same day, he threw me right on in, and I got about 10, 10 touches, and everything was. The rest was history.
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Colin Cowherd
So you were there four or five years, actually. And one of the criticisms on Shanahan, and there aren't many, is, man, he can. He can really wear out a running back. McCaffrey's got three or 400 touches, but it sounds like you sort of like you're like Nolan Ryan. You were better the later the innings went. You like the Verlander pitcher. You liked more touches. You like the physicality of it.
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Raheem Mostert
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, and. And when he runs, his offense is a running back by committee, you know, but when you have a guy like Christian McAffrey. And he does exactly what he needs to do within the offense. And Kyle loves the fact that he could put him out, split him out, you know, give him even more touches because he knows what he's going to get out of that guy, you know, each and every touch that's, that's specific to that, that, that style offense. And that's what Kyle's been able to do all these years. Even, even with his dad. You know, him watching his dad, Mike Shanahan out in Denver and even in Washington, you know, they both understand the running back position and what it needs to, what needs to happen in order for you to get the most out of those bags.
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Colin Cowherd
So Ashton Genty. You had a little spell with Ashton Genty, the Boise State kid? I see about one Boise State game a year I watched. I think it was against Oregon. He's really clever. He kind of could hide in the backfield. Cause he, you know what? He, he reminded me of a guy years ago that played at Oregon State named Rogers. Was it Jacquez Rogers? Rogers, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I thought he was more explosive, but that he was smaller and shifty and he'd come flying out of the backfield and you couldn't see him behind the big offensive line. So what did you make of Genti?
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Raheem Mostert
First impression? This dude is made of the right stuff. Obviously, you know, he's a rookie and, and you know, being a first rounder, you have a stature about you, right? You have a, you have a, a requirement. And man, he exceeded that. He exceeded his, his professionalism and his growth and, and me even trying to implement, you know, my, my take and everything that I, I bring to the game and you know, my knowledge behind the game, he just absorbed it like a sponge and was really, really focused. Doubt in. And listen, yeah, he's really a difference maker on that team and you know, I got nothing but love for him. He's, he's forever a brother of mine and he's, he's going to continue to do great things and I'm excited about the, I'm excited where he goes, man, in regards to his career because he, he's, he's, he's an exception to the rule. Let's just say that he's, he's way, way better than people think. Obviously last year, you know, he missed out on a thousand yards. You know, you could see, you know, he had only, he was only 25 yards shy. And, and I tell you what, man, if, if he can get that 25 yards, he would do it in a heartbeat, within, no matter who's in front of them, blocking for him.
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Colin Cowherd
I love that. Raheem Mostert, for our radio audience listening. We're on TV as well. FS1. So, Raheem, when you. You played for the Niners, winning culture, good ownership, great coach. Then you play with the Raiders, and then you play with the Dolphins. For our audience, is there a difference, winning team, winning culture to losing culture? Is it the little things, or is it just like. Well, I mean, because I look at the Niners, and it's like, they got to a Super bowl with Garoppolo, Brock Purdy wins. Like, it's not. They. You have to have Patrick Mahomes in San Francisco, like, yeah, you tell me the difference between, you know, the winning cultures you played with and the ones that struggled. Is there something specific?
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Raheem Mostert
Honestly, it's the details, you know, and the decisions. I think that that's the biggest thing that, you know, when you're looking at these teams that are winning. I mean, think about this. You have. You would. The past three years, would you ever put together a team like Seattle to win the Super Bowl?
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Colin Cowherd
You know, most people said, but they draft so well.
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Raheem Mostert
They draft well, and they know how to. They know how to get their guys in the building, and the head coach knows how to get the guys to go. You know, it's all about those details. And, you know, that's some of the things that winning teams, they figure out. Losing teams, they can't really figure it out. And so when you're dealing with a team like, you know, the 49ers, they. They. They can figure it out. They could really figure it out, take it to the next pinnacle, get up to that championship mindset and ultimately the game, but they. They can't figure out that. That last, you know, drive that really can count for them to. In order to win the Super Bowl. And then also with the Dolphins, you know, my time there, um, you know, we had one of the mo. The best offenses, you know, to ever be displayed that 20, 23 season. And, you know, when it. When it boiled down to those critical games, you know, yeah. People want to say, hey, look, it was the cold that messed you up. You know, you. You don't know how to play in cold weather or. Or teams above.500, you can't really beat. That's just.
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Colin Cowherd
All.
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Raheem Mostert
That's hearsay, right? It's. It's all about execution. Yeah. Some coaches can tense up in those situations, and. And some players can tense up as well, but you know, it's all about the details and trying to figure out how you can execute that game in order to win it. And we, we were just unable to do it. But like you said, is winning culture. It stems from being detailed and that goes on both sides of the ball. And it also goes within the coaching staff. If you have a coaching staff that doesn't really believe in the system, why would the players want to believe in the system? You know, it's, it's, it's, it's relative.
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Colin Cowherd
So you've played with Nick Bosa and Fred Warner and George kittle and Christian McCaffrey and Max Crosby and Brock Bowers and Tyreek Hill.
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Raheem Mostert
I mean, you played, the list is crazy.
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Colin Cowherd
Is there a player that you played with and Obviously you're a four year starter in the Big Ten. You've had a very successful career. You had a 21 touchdown season. If I said to you a professional athlete that you looked at and thought as a confident player, thought, man, that guy's different. Is there one guy that stands out or two?
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Raheem Mostert
You know what, out of all those guys on the list and to be honest with you, I played this past season with him and it, and you know, I believed all the hype. I was listening to all the, all the hype coming in. It would have to be Max Crosby. I mean, and he's a brother of mine that's, you know, I love Max. He's a, he's, he's a regular, straightforward dude, his straight shooter that, you know, really, really cares about the game and he puts his heart, when I tell you, he puts his heart and soul into it. He really does. And he's a professional, super, super professional guy. He wants to just be the ultimate competitor and ultimately win. And he hasn't had that in some odd years. And it's frustrating to see that, you know, at the beginning of the year I told him, hey, look man, like we're going to do this thing. Like, I want to help you win. Like I want to, I want to, I want to win for you. Like, I, it's not about the game itself. I, I just want to do it for you because I know what you've been through in your career and you deserve it just because of the attitude that you display, the confidence that you have and the, the, the, the tenacity to go out there each and every day and, and put on either in practice or in the game. Now he, he's played however many snaps, you know, in the, in the past several seasons, dude, does not come off the field. And you gotta respect a guy like that. You know, he can, he can go out there with a broken knee, a torn ACL or whatever and, and still put it up. Put his body out there on the line like, you know, he, there's no tomorrow. So just a guy like him and his caliber, you know, like you said, I don't play with, you know, Fred Warner. He, Fred is awesome. Fred is a true competitor as well, and he wants to win. But when I tell you about this guy named Max, Max Crosby is the ultimate competitor, man, and he's, he wants to win, and I love it, man. He, he boosts everybody up around him.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, Raheem Mostert, I'm telling you, if I was a general manager watching the last 12 minutes, I would want you on my team.
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Raheem Mostert
I appreciate that.
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Colin Cowherd
Led the NFL with 18 rushing touchdowns, 21 total for the Dolphins in 2023. And I mean, San Francisco, is there a team that you'd like to get. Call you if I said, hey, this one team is kind of interested. Is there one?
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Raheem Mostert
Honestly, I would love. There's two. I would love to go to Miami. I know Halfley and, you know, Slowik, the offensive coordinator. I know them very well. They were with me at the Niners. You know, we, I remember when half. He was, he was the DB coach. And man, I had nothing but respect for him. Cause he had his DB, he had his DBs playing good, you know, and the same thing with Slo. I know Slo. I was with his brother in Miami, too. So I know that family is. They're great people. And then obviously San Fran, you know, that's just like home to me. That's where I felt like my career pivoted and did a lot of great things. And I want to continue to do great things. And plus, who wouldn't want to have a Christian and Raheem, you know, duo back together? You know what I mean?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I appreciate it, man. You hit it out of the park today, and I appreciate it.
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Raheem Mostert
Absolutely. I appreciate you. Thanks again for having me. Hey, let's do this again, man. I love, I love the show, I swear.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, I love that. I love to hear it. NFL GMs. There's a running back that's interested in playing, and he gets into the end zone. Raheem, thank you so much. We also have, by the way, Dusty May, Michigan head coach, basketball coach, joining us before the end of the show. They beat up on the Fighting Illini Friday, and they are, I mean, if you had to make a bet today I would take Michigan to win it. Michigan beats Duke, Gonzaga, Arizona. There's a handful of teams Florida, but Michigan seven wins over ranked opponents and they've throttled some really good teams like Illinois.
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Raheem Mostert
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Rob Parker
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That's right, you can now watch the
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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
All right, Colin, let's start with some auto racing. I think you're gonna like this Michael Jordan. I mean, does the guy lose at anything? He just keeps winning. Yesterday, Tyler Redick, who's a star driver on MJ's 23 Xi Racing team, made history by winning his third straight race to open the NASCAR season, holding off Shane Van Gigsburg. Oh, not. Not a good job by me. Over the final 20 laps of the circuit of America's to seal the win. Colin, obviously, Jordan just dominates everything he touches.
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Dusty May
Right?
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J. Mac
I mean, the guy is.
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Colin Cowherd
This is great.
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J. Mac
Legendary.
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Colin Cowherd
Great for nascar. Yeah, absolutely. And he's been fighting them and they've had a little angst in the relationship, but it's tremendous for nascar.
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J. Mac
Yeah, Huge, huge week ahead as well. All right, let's quickly move to the NFL. Colin, the Cleveland Browns, everybody wants to know what they're doing at quarterback. Is it Shador? Is it to Sean Watson? Dylan Gabriel? What about Ty Simpson? Can we get Ty Simpson in the Mix. There's an interesting connection here. Simpson's dad, a coach, knows Todd Monkin, the new Browns coach very well. And there's some speculation potentially the Browns pick their quarterback, maybe trade one or two of the other guys and go Ty Simpson. I don't totally see it, but given the connection, the family connection, I guess there's some potential for it. What do you think?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, probably not because they drafted Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders last year. So my, my hunch would be no. But you know, I've said this about Simpson. He doesn't blow me away like I feel the same way I do about Jackson Dart. He's got a good arm and he moves pretty well. Wish he was a little bigger. There's no trait that I go, wow. But Jackson DART is only 1 1/2% cap hit to the Giants. So you can stack the roster around and when you get these guys, let's say Pittsburgh drafts him at 21. Well, you're allowed to have a deeper RO look at Caleb's roster in Chicago, look at Bo Nix's roster, look at Drake May's roster, look at Seattle and Sam Darnold with just a team friendly quarterback deal. So the truth is when you get a Jackson Dart or a Ty Simpson, you have to bake in the fact that they're going to have a better roster their first four years in the league than a lot of teams they play. We love Lamar Jackson, but when you start paying people what Lamar Jackson's making, you've got to move off three starters. I mean Minnesota right now because they have to bring in another quarterback, is going to have to move off Aaron Jones. They're going to move off Hargrove the defensive lineman who had a decent year. So I mean Jackson Dart with one more. I mean if Scatter Boo and Neighbors can stay healthy, they get a tight end, they've got their left tackle. You know, Giants will be pretty good. They'll have a very good roster. So I think Simpson, if he, if he goes to a functioning team, could be interesting.
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J. Mac
I'm just curious. Dylan Gabriel, there's a lot of chatter in Cleveland. He doesn't fit the Monkin profile. Given all the quarterbacks historically for Monkin, Dylan Gable is a trade piece. I know you loved him at Oregon. Do you think he would actually be valuable? This is a terrible quarterback draft after
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Colin Cowherd
men those questions I don't.
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J. Mac
Huh.
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Colin Cowherd
I think the one that's really that nobody's talking about is Jimmy Garoppolo. Jimmy Garoppolo, the Rams is he's not playing and the Rams are probably, you know, they're going to try to cut costs because Stafford's going to cost some money, right? So they're there. And if the reports are true that they're interested in Max Crosby, you know, the Rams, I mean, they're looking at the salary cap ledger. I think Jimmy Garoppolo is a guy that could go somewhere. You're not getting mobility, you're getting experience. Can he just hold down the fort somewhere for a year? That's a name to keep your eye on.
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J. Mac
Okay, well, I'll just remind everybody where Dylan Gabriel's old coach ended up. How's our quarterback situation there, huh? Keep an eye on that. Not breaking any news, just floating it out there.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, J. Mac with the news.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd line news.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, they are crushing it and dominating the Big Ten. Dusty May and the Wolverines are on a big time heater, one of the favorites to win it all and he'll be joining us next.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Dusty May
Well, it's less normal for us to feel like that in those moments, but we've been in a few of them and we've performed well. We've made big free throws and it's such a contrast to last season where every game was four points or less, or at least it seemed. And so we went into this year thinking that if, if a game's under four points or less, there's a 50, 50 chance you're going to lose the game because you're playing against a like opponent. And so we've tried to make sure that we weren't in these one possession games, but I do believe because we, we have the ability to score at the rim and then also make three so we don't rely on low percentage shots to win. And then defensively we're very sound. I think we're behind Duke now and defensive efficiency in the country. And we also have guys that make better percentage free throws than they do normally. So those things give you some hope and comfort. But hopefully we're not in a one possession game early on especially.
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Colin Cowherd
So you started years ago in coaching where you were going to AAU tournaments and maybe even high school. Now it's more administrative. It's, you know, it's nil, it's portal stuff. Let me just, I mean you're, you're a very youthful looking late 40s. Do you miss some of the AAU grind? Is the nil frustrating where you're sometimes recruiting your own players to stay? How do you, how do you, how's it land for you?
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Dusty May
Just by nature, I just adjust and adapt to whatever I am and try to learn as much as I can about it and enjoy it. I've always enjoyed the different, it's almost like the season ends and you become a different type of employee where now you're a recruiter and a developer and then when the season's there, you're trying to win games and you're scouting an opponent. So I've always, it's almost been like seasons where throughout the season there's three or four different seasons to our job. And so the newness was always, I guess, fresh. And now when I go to city to recruit, I make sure I stop and see a couple, maybe donors who own their own businesses because you might need them down the line. And so it's just different. You go meet with agents when you're in a certain city or big agencies because you know over the course of time they're going to have good players and you want them to, you want to have a relationship with them. So the time is the same, it's just different. But I haven't forgotten those 8am to midnight, sitting in a gym In Vegas wondering what day it is and living off hot, living off glizzies and popcorn.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, I used to cover unl me my first job out of college and I would see a sea of coaches at the Las Vegas Classic. And you're describing it aptly. So Yaxel in the Borg is your best player. You got four different guys that score in double figures. You're very balanced. For anybody that hasn't watched Michigan, they're balanced and they're big. Your best player could have gone probably you ended up convincing him, hey, come up to Michigan. And a lot of people, you know that's not easy. You're staring at, you're staring at NBA money. Most of your players want to play, they want to play professional. What was your sales pitch for a kid that could have gone pro? What was your pitch to stay in college and go to Michigan?
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Dusty May
Well, if you take the NBA out of this, the stars were aligned for us and Yaxel that we lost Danny and Vladimir, we had a proof of concept that we, that we played our bigs in a unique style and way where he could benefit. And then he was familiar with our staff, our program because we competed against him. He knew some of our guys. So literally I see everything lined up perfectly except his desire to go to the NBA. And so he was looking for a first round guarantee. And once he realized that he wasn't, he couldn't get a team to give him a guarantee that they were going to draft him in the first round. Then he was going back to college. Now he did get a couple guarantees for the early second round where teams said they would guarantee him and give him multi year contract. But he felt like he needed another year of college, especially at this level, playing against the biggest, best, strongest and wanted to prove himself in the Big Ten. And he held Michigan in high regard because he had lived in Ohio when he was a young player. And so literally I don't think everything could have lined up any better than it did for us and him. But we had, we loved our roster before. So when he, he decided to, not to come to college, I mean he decided to come back to college. We felt like our pieces didn't necessarily fit. We were big. We had three guys that we thought would be our three of our best players that had all played the center position at their previous stop. So we thought this, there's, this is high risk, high reward, but it could go poorly in this era. And his, his salary was well publicized. So how would, how would that have you Know what type of impact would that have on our locker room when he's paid so much more than anyone else? And we were very open and honest with all of it. And. And he came back and just wanted to be one of the guys. I think that's probably the biggest reason it's worked, that he hasn't tried to be bigger than the team. He just simply wanted to be just. Just one of many and try to do something special together.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, I said with the nil, I think. Not that it saved college basketball, but I said that the Billy Donovan, Florida Gator teams, to me were great college basketball teams that could have worked in any era. And then there was a dry spell. Years, a lot of one and done. I thought the NBA demonized college basketball. It was a mistake. I never liked the G League. In fact, you can't name a single NBA star from it. Ignite over time. You know, I understand kids not wanting to go to college, but I think the coaching in college helps players. I also think playing in intense arenas, that's like NBA level stuff. You don't get that in the G League or ignite, you go, you know, your game Friday. That place is a zoo. It's loud, you can't hear.
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Colin Cowherd
It's caustic. So my take is nil is actually European guys coming to the States, keeping guys like your best player in college. I feel like when I watch college basketball today, it is noticeably deeper and better than five years ago. But I'm, you know, I'm a layman here. Does it feel like when you're on, when you're watching basketball and tape, it's like there's just more NBA dudes on the floor now in college.
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Dusty May
Yeah. Colin, I think what you. The things you said, the ote, the ignite, they're the re. Part of the reason things are the way they are. And if you just take all the peripheral stuff away, the actual product is better than it's ever been. There, there are more teams, there's more great players, that it's more competitive than ever. I know when I turn on, I'll turn on the TV tonight and watch a couple games and I'll be blown away at how good the teams, the coaching. And then even if these guys come to college at 21 or 22, they're learning a lot as far as being professionals. Even you take the classroom out of it. What we learn from 18 to 24 changes the way we think, the way we move as adults. And so I think the longer People are on college campuses, the better for them. Now is it better for an 18 year old freshman? No. That this has always been a meritocracy. The best players have always been able to, to get the scholarships or the nil, whatever the case. And that's never going to change. And it's the same way in the NBA. The best players get the best contracts and play the longest and then they have the say when it comes to the players union and all the decisions that affect those below them.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Dusty May, coach of Michigan. Big win over the Fighting Illini. Now they're talking about this whole expansion and listen, College Football Playoff, the networks want it. Yeah, I'm, I'm not naive here. I get the whole game. But I kind of like the way it is. I'll be honest with you. When you hear about March expansion, what do you make of that?
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Dusty May
Once again, if I died and came back as the czar of college basketball, I wouldn't expand the tournament right now. But if there's a compelling case of why it's better for the enterprise of college basketball, then I would be all ears. I think every time there's been change, it's been met with resistance based on nostalgia.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Dusty May
And if the, if the TV networks want it, if it gets more, it improves the experience for more players then. And it keeps teams more engaged for longer periods which makes the games meaningful in February, then it wouldn't be hard for me to change my opinion or be persuaded in that way. I just don't know. I haven't put enough time in it because I don't have any say. So I just, I take it for what it is. If we expand, great. If we don't, great. We'll have our team ready to play ball. That's kind of how I look at all these issues. Shoes.
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Colin Cowherd
I like our staff. Cut some video of Michigan. Your guys size is incredible for a. I mean you guys are just big, big and intimidating. Okay, finally. You had a viral moment against Michigan State earlier this year. I, I'm going to go out in a limb here and say you actually enjoyed this. It was. You were silently taunting Spartan fans. Take me to that moment.
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J. Mac
Yeah.
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Dusty May
Colin, it's, it's completely, I'm, I'm completely out of how I am by nature when I'm, when I'm coaching now where I'm a small, fiery Irish guy that probably gotten more fights growing up than I had easy days. And once I got into coaching, had a family, I basically just left all that behind and became A borderline pacifist. So now when people have road rage, I just kind of shrug it off. If people get mad in the line, I just shrug it off and let them go in front of me. So if a bunch of 18 to 22 year olds who were probably overserved beginning at 8am Want to yell and scream obscenities at me, let them go ahead. It's. It's all part of the game. I enjoy watching European basketball and the, the stuff that goes on with that. So I think it's part of it. There's nothing any of those people can say that's going to get a rise out of me. So yes, in a way, I did enjoy it, but just for the fact that those kids are never going to be able to get under my skin.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, well, I, I'm married to an Irish wife. You're. You're an Irish guy. Overserved happens. That's just life, is it? Not
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Dusty May
all part of it.
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Raheem Mostert
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Great seeing a great meeting your coach. Congratulations. You put together a daunting front court and a really interesting program. And congrats and I love to have you on the show today. Thank you, Colin.
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Dusty May
I enjoyed it. I appreciate having me on.
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Colin Cowherd
Dusty May, coach of Michigan, I'm telling you right now. And our staff did a great job cutting some of the video. When you watch Michigan play J. Mac, you love college basketball. They are big. They are. I mean, they are a big front line.
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J. Mac
They've been a cash cow most of the season because they just obliterate teams. I mean, their resumes, incredible. I, I think they'd probably win the title. Rematch against Duke will be fun. Also like Florida a lot. They're. They're dangerous as well.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. That was good seeing coach Raheem Mostert. Way to go, young man. You crushed it, Matt Hasselbet Kazolis. Hey, we'll see you tomorrow. On a Tuesday.
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Colin Cowherd
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is Julian Edelman from Games With Names. I want to take a second to talk about something that's personal to me. I've had the privilege of working closely with Robert Kraft for a long time, and one thing I've always respected is how seriously he takes up standing up to hate. As a Jewish athlete, my identity is something I am proud of, but I also know what it feels like to be singled out for it. That's why this new commercial for the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate that aired during the Big Game really hit home. It's about showing up for someone when they're targeted, even if you don't have the perfect words. And sometimes standing next to someone is enough. And you can show support by sharing
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Colin Cowherd
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