THE HERD - Hour 3 - Robert Griffin III joins The Herd

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: THE HERD - Hour 3 - Robert Griffin III Joins The Herd
Date: November 24, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd (with Jason McIntyre)
Guest: Robert Griffin III (RG3)

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Overview

This episode of The Herd features an engaging conversation between Colin Cowherd, guest contributor Jason McIntyre, and former NFL quarterback turned analyst Robert Griffin III. The trio dives into pressing NFL and college football topics, with RG3 providing insider quarterback perspective. The episode spotlights the emergence of Shedeur Sanders, the nuances of quarterback accuracy, college coaching loyalty amid increasing poaching, and hot takes on upcoming pivotal college football matchups.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Shedeur Sanders’ Impact and Maturity (03:09 - 07:06)

• Colin’s Perspective: Compares early media narratives of Tim Tebow and Shedeur Sanders, but notes Shedeur's ability to make “NFL throws” is a key differentiator. Wonders about Shedeur’s self-awareness and maturity, given his upbringing, but ultimately backs giving him the starting nod for the season.
  • “The difference is Shedeur can play. Shedeur can make NFL throws... I’d give Shedeur the season.” — Colin (03:09)
• RG3’s Analysis: RG3 emphasizes Shedeur’s playmaking lifts the Browns’ energy and excitement:
  • “The Browns played with more energy, more purpose and more excitement than they have all season… because of [Shedeur’s] ability to make the extended play.” — RG3 (04:20)
  • Recognizes Shedeur’s mindset:
    • “He is self-aware that he believes he is going to be successful. So he speaks confidently, he walks around confidently and that is why he's not afraid to make those types of throws.” — RG3 (04:20)
  • Acknowledges the risks: Shedeur will make “bad interceptions” but bounces back quickly.
• Locker Room “Belief Bump”:
  • Jason and RG3 discuss how certain athletes—like Michael Vick—infuse their teams with confidence and higher performance, and how Shedeur Sanders shares this intangible trait.
    • “He’ll make the team feel bigger and brighter about themselves… the defense had 10 sacks. I think that’s a byproduct of being excited to have Shedeur out there.” — RG3 (06:20)

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The Specialness of Seattle’s JSN (Jaxon Smith-Njigba) (07:06 - 08:47)

• JSN is poised to break NFL rookie records, and the hosts probe what makes him excel despite not being the biggest or fastest.
  • RG3’s (playful) take:
    • “The hips don’t lie. And that’s what Shakira told us… He’s a hip connoisseur.” — RG3 (07:44)
  • RG3 credits JSN’s ability to:
    • Win on leverage and find open space.
    • Play with confidence—catching and thinking about the next play simultaneously.
    • Be the ultimate “quarterback’s best friend”—consistently open, in rhythm, on time.

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Caleb Williams’ Accuracy Debate and QB Development (08:47 - 11:28)

• Caleb Williams’ Stats: Under 60% completions in four straight games.
  • Jason argues ceiling is more important; Colin asks if accuracy can truly be “fixed.”
• RG3’s Bold Statement:
  • “Accuracy is a myth.” — RG3 (09:42)
  • Argues accuracy is context-dependent—“right place” for a throw varies by defensive positioning and intent.
  • Suggests Caleb’s lower completion rate is due to high-risk, high-reward throws.
  • “Do you want a check-down Charlie? Or a guy who takes risks?... What Caleb gives you: the ability that when you get in the playoffs, it’s no longer just about the X’s and O’s… it’s about the Jimmies and the Joes.” — RG3 (10:30)
• Lions Playoff Chemistry: Stresses that Caleb and Ben Johnson have a perfect coach-QB dynamic—scheme plus off-script talent.

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Coaching Loyalty and the College Game’s “Free Market” Issue (11:28 - 13:59)

• Colin’s Take: Compares coach poaching to unregulated Wall Street/Silicon Valley. If there are no rules, aggressive programs will poach freely.
  • “If you don’t have stipulations… I’m just gonna go buy your coach. I don’t blame the individual—I blame the sport.” — Colin (11:28)
• RG3’s Response:
  • Loyalty exists “when the price is similar”—otherwise, coaches should leave for significantly better offers.
    • “If Ole Miss is saying ‘here’s $60 million’ and LSU offers $90, there’s no loyalty there. Anyone telling you they’d take the $60 is lying.” — RG3 (12:20)
  • Coaches are right to seek security for themselves and their families.
  • Lane Kiffin’s pattern of movement makes sense under these conditions.

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USC’s Mindset and Lincoln Riley’s Pressure (20:15 - 22:10)

• Jason’s Rant: Cites USC’s continued failure to compete in big games under Riley, especially in run offense and special teams. Frustrated by Riley’s “we’re close” mantra.
  • “27 carries, 52 yards—if Kirby Smart had a team that ran for 52 yards… he would be outraged.” — Jason (19:55)
• RG3’s Nuanced Response:
  • Acknowledges USC’s rough adjustment to Big Ten-level physicality. Cites key injuries and that Riley’s answers are about not fueling more media backlash.
    • “In order for the show to be there, you have to win the big games… I do think they get there.” — RG3 (20:47)
  • Adds, Riley still a great coach, but under pressure to deliver on 10-year deal.

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Ohio State vs. Michigan – Preview and Predictions (22:10 - 24:23)

• Hot Take: Jason predicts Ohio State will “bury” Michigan in Ann Arbor.
  • “You have to go back… the Jalen Carter Georgia defense… I’m telling you, linebacker, secondary, the windows are tiny. It’s a freshman quarterback. I think Ohio State’s going to bury Michigan.” — Jason (22:19)
• RG3’s Contrarian View:
  • Refuses to dismiss Michigan: rivalry factors, unknowns about health of key OSU receivers, JJ McCarthy’s (Underwood’s) dual-threat ability.
  • “When you have this rivalry, the records go out the window… this game means everything.” — RG3 (22:44)
  • Proposes a bold scenario: If Michigan wins, the Big Ten might get four teams into the College Football Playoff.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Shedeur Sanders:
  • “He is self aware that he believes he is going to be successful. So he speaks confidently, he walks around confidently.” — RG3 (04:20)
  • “The Browns played with more energy, more purpose… than they have all season long because of his ability to make the extended play.” — RG3 (04:20)
• On JSN:
  • “The hips don’t lie. And that’s what Shakira told us… He’s a hip connoisseur.” — RG3 (07:44)
• On Caleb Williams:
  • “Accuracy is a myth.” — RG3 (09:42)
  • “Do you want a check-down Charlie? Or a guy who takes those risks deep down the field?” — RG3 (10:22)
• On coaching loyalty:
  • “If they fire me in four years… I’m going to the bank with $90 million. I might never have to coach ever again in my life.” — RG3 (13:11)
• On rivalry games:
  • “When you have this rivalry, the records go out the window.” — RG3 (22:44)

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Other Important Segments

Lamar Jackson and the Ravens’ Offensive Woes (32:22 - 34:23)

• The hosts question Lamar’s health after a weak performance and debate if the Ravens are a real postseason threat:
  • “Their offense has no rhythm… Right now, they don’t have an identity.” — Colin (34:06)

New England Patriots, Drake Maye, and Red Zone Frustrations (34:23 - 36:15)

• Scrutiny of the Patriots offense and struggles on the goal line, with Josh McDaniels criticized for failure to score from the 1-yard line.
  • “They had seven plays in the game from the 1 yard line… Zero touchdowns.” — JMac (35:49)

Lions and Giants Review, Jameis Winston Deep Dive (36:15 - 38:47)

• Praise for Jameer Gibbs’ performance (219 yards rushing), Giants blown leads, and Jameis Winston’s unexpected standout game.
  • “Jameis Winston looks better than Russ at any point this season… did Jameis not to you look like somebody who could compete for a starting spot?” — JMac (37:32)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• 03:09: Shedeur Sanders discussion kicks off
• 04:20: RG3 on Shedeur's impact
• 07:44: RG3 on JSN’s unique traits
• 09:42: RG3’s “accuracy is a myth” comment on Caleb Williams
• 12:20: RG3 on coaching loyalty and Lane Kiffin
• 20:15: Critique of USC under Lincoln Riley
• 22:10: Ohio State vs. Michigan predictions
• 32:22: Ravens’ offensive struggles/Lamar Jackson’s performance
• 34:23: Patriots red zone frustration
• 36:15: Jameer Gibbs’ game, Giants/Lions review, Jameis Winston discussion

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Conclusion

This episode is a showcase of high-level football analysis—balancing technical breakdowns (especially from RG3), big-picture debates about the state of college football, and predictions for college and NFL playoff races. Listeners are treated to candor, humor (“the hips don’t lie”), and an honest appraisal of how confidence, coaching, and intangible traits blend to shape winning teams and programs.

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Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Jason McIntyre]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports. He can do equally well NFL discussion or college football. He's always a treat on our show. Robert Griffin III RG3 called BYU Cincinnati on Saturday. There's so many topics here. Let's just get that. I mean, let's just get it out of the way. When Tim Tebow came into the league, I was like, come on, give me a break. You know, it's just, it's, it's fun, it's a great story. And there's some of that with Shador. The difference is Shador can play. Shador can make an NFL throws. I, my take is I think he needs a little bit more self awareness. I think a little more maturity. But he grew up. I mean, he does, but he grew up as a rich kid with his famous dad. It's, it's not, it's. It was not a normal life like the rest of us live, right? So. But I will say this. He provides something Dylan Gabriel, in my opinion, did not. Big downfield throws. That's what. And to me, I would just let him run the se. I've seen Dylan, he stabilized the offense. I kind of like, I'd give, I'd give Shador the season. What say you?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, Colin, I would do the same. And listen, I had a, I have a relationship with every quarterback that has been there this season for the Cleveland Browns. Joe Flock was teammates with him in Baltimore. No Kenny Pickett really, really well. No Dylan well. And no Shadir well. And when you watch the game, the Browns played with more energy, more purpose and more excitement than they have all season long because of his ability to make the extended play. And with that comes mistakes. He do a bad interception, but he bounced back really well off of it. And when I watched him play and you saw Miles Garrett's reaction on the sideline when he throws that deep shot to Isaiah Bond, they weren't reacting like that with any other quarterback in the game. So I think he has the pulse of the team, the pulse of the city and some of that self awareness you're talking about. He is self aware that he believes he is going to be successful. So he speaks confidently, he walks around confidently and that is why he's not afraid to make those types of throws deep down the field because he is not afraid of the potential mistakes, which you can't say that for every other quarterback that's been under center there.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. And there is something, Robert, about the locker rooms. Like I remember talking to players who play with Michael Vick and they were like, man, Michael made you feel bigger and faster. Like Michael was like our, you know, Michael in the fourth quarter, you, you'd play better defense because you're like, just give Michael, just give Michael one more possession. Yeah, it's. You're. You're saying that's a real thing with certain players.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I think it is. And the reason Dylan Gabriel is so beloved by coaches is because he is going to do what you ask him to do and he's going to get it done. Right. But coaching the difference, I always believe this, Colin. The difference between coaching and playing is the players know how to do it in a way that sometimes might feel unconventional. They never drew up that play, that deep shot to Isaiah Bond and said, all right, Cheddar, what we want you to do is when they pressure escape the pocket, immediately run to your right and throw a 52 yard bomb down the field. That was not in the game plan. Okay. But great players, guys who have a good feel for the game, they find their ways into those types of plays. Even the Jerry Judy pass where I don't know what he was doing with the hop, skip and a jump, trying to do a high step in the middle of the field and. But those are plays that Dylan Gabriel isn't making because he is such like a coaching one on one type of player. You have to live with the good and the bad. From Shedeur. That screen pass for a touchdown was exactly how they drew it up. But you got to take those plays with some of his unconventional playmaking as well because he will make the team feel bigger and brighter about themselves. Heck, the defense had 10 sacks. I think that's a byproduct if they were excited to have Shador Sanders out there on the field with him.

[Jason McIntyre]

A team I think is really good is Seattle. Now, they didn't beat the Rams, but nobody. I mean the Rams haven't trailed in weeks and the Rams don't have penalties. They don't turn it all. Rams are playing at a level right now. Your only worry is do they peak. But JSN is about to break an all time NFL record if he keeps it up. So I want you to tell me you do college and Pro. What makes him so special? If it was easy, everybody could do it. He doesn't run a 4, 2, 5. He's not the biggest guy. What is he doing that other receivers who are bigger, who are faster, aren't doing?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I think, you know, I do love to quote this person because the hips don't lie. And that's what Shakira told us. All right? And I look at JSN and I say, he's a hip connoisseur. You talk about his ability to feel leverage and work guys leverage against themselves. We talked about this off air. He has a knack for finding open space. But I think his next level trait is he is not worried about catching the football. He's so confident in that regard that when the ball is in the air, he's already thinking, how can I make the next play? He caught that pass down the field this past weekend, and most guys would fall as soon as they feel contact just to make sure they can secure the catch. He's not worried about it. You just saw it right there. He's catching the ball and he's like, how do I get to the end zone? To me, his ability to do those things is what makes him the quarterback's best friend. He's going to be on time, he's going to be in rhythm, he's going to be open, he's going to use your leverage against you as a db, and he's going to score touchdowns when you least expect him to score touchdowns.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay, so the thing with Caleb is four straight games under 60%, I always feel like the bigger ceiling you have. I don't need you to be Kirk Cousins. If you can throw it like him or run like Cam. I don't. I don't need 68. If you're Drew Brees, I don't get the deep ball. If you're Kirk Cousins, I don't get the movement. So I. Caleb hit 61 and a half percent and I got the big plays. I'm good with it. He does miss stuff. Let me ask you, is accuracy how correctable is it? Some things. Some guys in the NBA, John Morant was a never a great shooter. Russell Westbrook has worked his tail off. He's not. But right. Like, some things are correctable and some guys are never great shooters. When you look at Caleb's accuracy issues, can we just say, hey, listen, don't worry about it. You're getting so much upside. If he gets 61%, that's gravy. On top of everything else, how do you view that?

[Colin Cowherd]

I view it as I'm going to say this and people might not love it, but accuracy is a myth. All right. If I usually saw that ball he threw behind the tight end, but if he throws that and puts that ball in the right place, the right place might be on the guy's shoelaces. The right place might be his back shoulder when he's running full speed to in his front shoulder being the right side of his body. Accuracy to me is always dependent upon where the defense is and what you're trying to get the receiver to do. So where I think his 61% completion percentage comes from is more so the fact that he is willing to take more chances to have big plays occur which drives down his completion percentage. Do you want a guy that's going to be a check down, Charlie? Do you want a guy that is not going to take those risks deep down the field because he's afraid to make mistakes? I don't think that's who Caleb Williams is. I think he's aggressive by nature. And what Ben Johnson has been able to accomplish with him is eliminate those negative plays that I heard you talking about earlier on this show. I think their relationship is perfect because what Caleb gives him. You mentioned this about Jared Goff. Jared, if it's there and you scheme it up, he's gonna hit it. Caleb gives you the ability that when you get into the playoffs, it's no longer about just the X's and the O's, it's about the Jimmies and the Joes. And Caleb Williams is one of those Jimmies and Joes that is going to make a play that is going to make your jaw hit the ground. And you need that at the quarterback position. And I think they just have that perfect match of, okay, let me get into my woo side moments and make sure I do what I need to do. And then when it's time to be Superman, Caleb Williams can do that as well.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, couple college questions. Because you're so good at this. I said, I said if you don't have regulations, then aggressive people on Wall street, in Silicon Valley or in college football are going to be aggressive in the NFL. I can't go poach Andy Reid or Sean Payton with eight, but in college, in college I can. And LSU doesn't give a rip about Ole Miss. So if you don't have, if you don't have stipulations, regulations or roadblocks, well, I'm just gonna go buy your coach. I don't blame the Individual. I blame the sport. Or am I wrong? Is there loyalty? Am I being, you know, I, I don't, I don't want to be Pollyanna about it, but I, it's like, I, I just think in life, smart, aggressive people, if you don't have regulations, are going to be aggressive. And I'm not going to blame Lane. How, how do you view it?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I think you're 100% right there, Colin. It's loyalty comes into effect in college football when the price is similar. Okay, If Ole Miss is coming to Lane Kiffin and saying, hey, you've done a great job here, you've built this program back up. We're a national title contender year after year now with you being at the helm, and we're going to offer you $85 million to be our coach, well, then I think Lane Kiffin would be an idiot to leave and go to LSU or go to Florida. But if they're saying, hey, here's $90 million over here at another school, and the school you're currently at is going to give you 60, yeah, there's no loyalty there. And I think anyone that is claiming that they would take the 60 over the 90 is lying to you. You should never trust them in anything. So I understand what Lane Kiffin's history that people say, oh, well, he's done this. He did this with the Raiders, he did that over at Alabama, did this at 10, USC, whatever it may be. But in this situation, if Ole Miss isn't going to match what the other schools are willing to pay him and, and or at least get close within a couple million, then he should leave. And he would be right to do that by his family, because although it might be more risky to go to LSU and more risky to, to potentially go to Florida, if they're going to pay him significantly more, he knows, hey, man, if they fire me in four years because of a. Because of the buyouts, I'm going to the bank with $90 million. I might never have to coach ever again in my life, and I can take care of my family. So I think that part of it, he is a human being. He has a family to take care of, and he has to look out in the best interest of his family, especially when the dollars don't match.

[Jason McIntyre]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Correct.

[Jason McIntyre]

So what do you take from. Well, we're close. How does that land for you?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, Colin, I. I do. I do think they are close. And the, the. The thing is, what you just brought up is the probably the thing that's weighing heaviest on Lincoln Riley. They brought him in to bring back the show. And in order for the show to really be there, you have to win the big games on the field. No one cares if you beat Northwestern. Right.

[Jason McIntyre]

They.

[Colin Cowherd]

They care if you can beat Oregon. And I think what this team has been going through over the last couple seasons is adjusting to playing in the Big Ten. Even though I know Oregon is an old Pac 12 opponent and old and an old Pac 12 rivalry. They're adjusting their style of play to having to play against the bigger meteor offense and defensive lines that they're facing in the Big Ten. And when I say, yes, they are close, they have the quarterback, they're down there starting two running backs. King Miller is a great story, but he wasn't their starter going into the season for a reason. It's because Waymo Jordan and Sanders were. And Eli Sanders were better running backs. So I don't look at this and make excuses for Lincoln. I do think Lincoln Riley is a great coach. I think that him leaving Oklahoma the way that he did rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. And I think he is feeling that pressure knowing that he's on a 10 year deal and they haven't gotten to where they need to be quite yet. I do think they get there. I think his answers in the media are to not add more pressure and more backlash to what he's already receiving from the media itself. So he has to be confident and he has to say, I think we're close. Otherwise, if he gives up, then everyone's really going to start calling for him to get fired. More so than they already are.

[Jason McIntyre]

I know. No, nobody wants to throw it out there. I think Ohio State's going to bury Michigan this weekend in Ann Arbor. Bury him?

[Colin Cowherd]

You think they're going to bury him?

[Jason McIntyre]

I think this defense you have to go back about, maybe the Jalen Carter Georgia defense, maybe one of Nick's. I'm telling you, linebacker, secondary, the windows are tiny. It's a freshman quarterback. I'm with you and I like him. He is 19.

[Colin Cowherd]

I can't say I'm with you that they're going to bury them. I do think the fact that Michigan has won the last four meetings does mean something. I think when you have this rivalry, the records go out the window. And there's two big factors. One, how healthy is Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate going to be if they play in this game? Because if they don't play, I think that that's a, not just a big factor, it's. It's also going to hurt the defense because this defense is extremely talented. But the one thing you can never truly account for is Underwood and his ability to make extended plays. Every defensive coordinator, when they face a guy that can make plays with his arm and his legs, stay up all night about it. So that, to me, are the two biggest factors. How are they going to keep him bottled up and then are they going to have their full arsenal of weapons on the offensive side? This is a really, a really great game to watch because of the magnitude of it. And I believe this, Colin. If Michigan beats Ohio State, I think the Big Ten gets four teams, four teams into the College Football Playoff. I know that's a, that's, that's one way to end the show, isn't it?

[Jason McIntyre]

You're saying if, like you gave it a big old possibility.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's always a possibility. And listen, I got no bias, I got no dog in the fight when it comes to who, who are you more loyal to, Ohio State or Michigan? I just know that this game means everything. And we've seen Michigan beat Ohio State when they weren't very good. So now Michigan has clawed their way back into at least somewhat of a conversation of having a chance to make the College Football Playoff. This is their super bowl and if they win it, I think they get in.

[Jason McIntyre]

Robert, always a pleasure my friend.

[Colin Cowherd]

Appreciate you brother.

[Jason McIntyre]

He's so good on that stuff. Can go NFL, go college. The JSN stuff is it's just crazy. The wide receiver can end with like 20, 100 yards and it all. I do think it helps that Darnold loves to throw the ball down the field. He has taken big swings and he's a great not only is a great route runner underneath, he can get deep on people. So show us flying by. I'm gonna give Nick Wright three hours today. I I was gonna call management, cut him back an hour because we got a lot of stuff, but today I'll give him three. Tomorrow it's anybody's guess. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

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[Colin Cowherd]

No, no, no. Turn on the news.

[Jason McIntyre]

This is the Herd line news.

[JMac (Jason McIntyre or a guest contributor)]

You know, we haven't talked about the Jets Ravens thriller. Baltimore was down bad at halftime. Colin, they had three points. The offense could do nothing. The jets defense, which lost sauce Gardner and Quinn and Williams largely locked up Baltimore. Now the Ravens got going in the second half, but Colin, I don't know. Lamar did not look particularly sharp. 13 of 23 for a buck 53.

[Jason McIntyre]

He's not healthy. Yeah, yeah, I don't think he's healthy.

[JMac (Jason McIntyre or a guest contributor)]

Anyways here. Here's Lamar talking about this offense is struggles against the Jets.

[Colin Cowherd]

I feel like we just need to execute, you know, a lot better. We get in great field position but we not punts on the board. You know, that have nothing to do with no injury on my death. So I feel like I should still be able to do what I do.

[JMac (Jason McIntyre or a guest contributor)]

You were saying you. You don't think he's healthy, huh?

[Jason McIntyre]

No, I just. He's not as elusive. I don't think he's totally healthy. I watched that game. That was a corner TV game. But I will say this. I don't know. Their offense has no rhythm. I don't know what their offense is. It was a lot of Lamar running around and throwing it up and I.

[JMac (Jason McIntyre or a guest contributor)]

Would say vomiting it up. It's not like he was accurate. He had seven carries for 11 yards against the Jets.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, it's not good.

[JMac (Jason McIntyre or a guest contributor)]

Something's going on now. Quick news. They will face Cincinnati Thanksgiving night. Joe Burrow, it's been announced he's going to play barring some unbelievable setback. But he, Joe Burrow is going to go against the Lamar and in a game that doesn't mean much because the Bengals are toast for the season. But if, you know, if Pittsburgh wins, they get right back in the mix to win the division. Everybody thinks it's going to be the Ravens.

[Jason McIntyre]

Now.

[JMac (Jason McIntyre or a guest contributor)]

I got to see more from that Offense. Colin, I don't even know that. They're like a dangerous team in the postseason based on what I've seen with Lamar getting back. Do you think they're dangerous or.

[Jason McIntyre]

No, No. I mean, right now they're not. They are, I mean, explosive. Raven teams have struggled in the playoffs. This doesn't even, this isn't even mid. Forget explosive. Right now they don't have an identity. They're not as elusive. It's just, it's a hard, they're a hard watch.

[JMac (Jason McIntyre or a guest contributor)]

They can flip the switch at any moment though. Once Lamar starts getting into high gear, we'll see if that happens. Next up, Drake, May and the Patriots. I would go off on Vrabel costing me money because of his inability to call plays inside the five yard line. Colin. New England did not look good. May had a pick six. They do get the win. 26 20. Is this playing down to your competition or what? Because they did not look good at all.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, I mean, you're not going to play. Listen, they had been on a streak for two months. They're still young. So, I mean, you go on the road in the NFL, you got four or five guys missing on one side of the ball. Your offensive line had a couple guys carded off.

[JMac (Jason McIntyre or a guest contributor)]

They did. The entire left side of the line was carted off.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, yeah. So it's like, I mean, I just think you won. I don't care what it looks like. You know, in September and October it's just easier to play football. Your roster's full and the weather's great and people haven't seen all your fun stuff and then everybody's seen your stuff. You're missing four starters. Bears yesterday missed the entire linebacking court. Now is when you see what where coaching comes into play. I mean, one of the reasons the Rams are so good right now, they're healthy and you know, people are missing. A lot of teams are missing 8N star. Well, I guess the Rams were missing a tight end, but they've got three good ones behind it. So it's a win's a win. O lines beat up. They're fine.

[JMac (Jason McIntyre or a guest contributor)]

Well, I'll just say this. They had seven plays in the game from the one yard line. You know how many times they scored a touchdown on them? Zero. Colin. That is troubling. Josh McDaniels has. He's been around the block. You're telling me he had no good plays at the 1 yard line? That is a little troublesome for me. Stevenson. I don't know if they can trust that guy in a big playoff spot. I'll just say this. Hopefully they get the buy because I don't even know that they're a lock to win one playoff game.

[Jason McIntyre]

Colin. We'll see.

[JMac (Jason McIntyre or a guest contributor)]

I mean, I like me as much as the next guy, but yeah, we'll see. Final stories. The Detroit Lions. Their offense was not great. They, the interior offensive line just crumbling against the G men. But Jameer Gibbs saved, saved their bacon. 219 yards on the ground, plus another 45 through the air. He looked like a blur on the turf indoors. Monster game. First lion to rush for over 200 yards since Barry Sanders. Lions did need overtime. Did not cover. They should have lost this game. The New York Giants cannot do anything when it matters.

[Jason McIntyre]

The Giants fire their defensive coordinator and should have. I mean, you know, the Giant and I could be wrong. Just off the top of my head, I think the Giants have led five games in the fourth quarter. Is it five?

[JMac (Jason McIntyre or a guest contributor)]

At least four. I don't know about five.

[Jason McIntyre]

But no, I mean they, they cannot make stops. It was. If you're going to judge Mike Kafka, you can't do it on wins and losses because I, I. And if you're, if you're considering him, I'm going to do it on overall performance. I thought the Giants played their butt off. They don't have dart, they don't have scatter boo. They don't have Malik neighbors. I thought the Giants played their tail off. Listen, Mike Kafka, I would almost count that as a win. He did his job. The offense was excellent. The effort was amazing. The passion was. I mean even the trick played at Jameis I.

[JMac (Jason McIntyre or a guest contributor)]

Well, you're giving Kafka a lot of credit. Jameis Winston played out of his mind. Colin, here's my thing. How did Brian Dabel look at Winston, Winston Dart and Russell Wilson and start Russell Wilson to begin the season? Jameis Winston looks better than rusted at any point this season. Winston was out there balling. I was stunned. I can't, I mean, honestly, I don't want to go overboard on one game, but did Jameis not to. You look like somebody who could compete for a starting spot on one of these bad teams.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, yeah, I mean there are, there are quarterbacks that I'll build around and there are quarterbacks for a year. I would start a bridge guy. Yeah, I think Jameis is a clear bridge quarterback, but he's always been productive. It's not a matter of size.

[Colin Cowherd]

Arm.

[Jason McIntyre]

He likes to throw the ball down the field. He's not A dink dunk guy. And he's kind of a joyful human being. Like he's. He's not have a huge ego, a little goofy, but whatever. He's gonna have a good broadcasting career. He's full of, you know. You know, he's full of personality. But here the giants have blown six fourth quarter leads. Five in the fourth quarter they had a lead of 10 plus points. So that's why they fired.

[Colin Cowherd]

So who's that?

[JMac (Jason McIntyre or a guest contributor)]

Who's that on that? I mean, it can't all be on Dayble now you got Kafka doing it.

[Jason McIntyre]

No, it's the D.C. he just got Camp JMAC with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd line. I wanna, I wanna play a Miles Garrett comment here in a second. You know, I said this before when, when Tim Tebow went on a winning streak. I mean, Saturday Night Live literally did a bit on it. It was Matt Prater's kicks and the great defense. He'd be terrible for three and a half quarters. His team would trail, but they were within reach because the Broncos defense and kicking game was so good. But there was a fanaticism, there was a conspiracy theory. Nobody likes it. It was all nonsense. The difference is Shador can make NFL big boy. Downfield throws consistent. I think I was as shocked as anybody that he fell to the fifth round. But when I watched yesterday, to be honest, it felt a little like Colorado is that he has bad throws in a terrible pick. He missed people badly, but you know, he doesn't lack confidence. He'll throw the ball down the field. And Miles Garrett on one of his bigger throws, I mean, he put it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Up and I'm just like, oh God, who is that even going to? And he drops it in the bucket and I'm just like, wow, that there's not many guys in league that can make that throw. So that was a. That was a hell of a throw. I hope he can continue to now grow and develop for making plays like that and they'll take it from there.

[Jason McIntyre]

And that three throws, 25 yards or more downfield. Okay, that's one more than Dylan Gabriel had thrown all year. I thought RG3 nailed it. Coaches love Dylan Gabriel. He'll settle the offense. He'll complete the pass. He'll do what's drawn up. Shedeur like Caleb though, without Caleb's horsepower. Shador sometime gonna do his own thing. But he can take big swings and go strike out more big swings. And there are certain coaches, certain offensive coaches. Well, and defensive coaches, they don't want you going too much off script and so they're you know coaches like I mean I think Kevin Stefanski says our defense is really good. Don't turn the ball over and we can beat Green Bay. And they did. So Shador is not always going to be a coaches because Shador will ad lib but he doesn't have the Steve Young, the farve, the Caleb, the cam, the ability to make plays. He's a decent athlete, not a great athlete but here was Stefanski announcing earlier today Shedeur is the official starting quarterback going forward. Shador will start this week.

[Colin Cowherd]

Obviously you know number one job of.

[Jason McIntyre]

Quarterback is to win.

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Certainly young quarterbacks do.

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