THE HERD - Hour 3 - Robert Horry stops by The Herd

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 3

March 11, 2026 | Special Guest: Robert Horry
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Episode Overview

In this episode, Colin Cowherd welcomes NBA legend and seven-time champion Robert Horry, now a Lakers analyst, for an insightful discussion on NBA culture, player legacies, team dynamics, and current events, including Bam Adebayo’s remarkable 83-point game. The episode is packed with thoughtful analysis, personal anecdotes, and candid takes on the modern NBA landscape.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Robert Horry on Bam Adebayo’s 83-Point Game

[04:00]

• Robert Horry publicly apologizes to Bam Adebayo for initially questioning the legitimacy of his historic game:

  “I want to apologize for Bam saying that she'll be an Astro. Bam, you deserve what you got… It should be no asterisks by your game because… you can do it on both ends of the court.” – Robert Horry ([04:00])

• Horry emphasizes the importance of team play in enabling individual achievements, praising both Adebayo and the Miami Heat organization.

Why Some NBA Superstars Don’t “Fit” Together

[04:42]

• Colin notes LeBron James’ historic adaptability with different stars, but questions why the current Lakers core (LeBron, Luka, Austin Reeves) lacks cohesion.
• Horry attributes the lack of defensive specialists and overlapping skillsets as a key issue:

  “Luka and AR are kind of the same. And then you throw LeBron and he's similar…when you have those three in the game, they're not great defensive players…you have to be able to stop someone.” – Robert Horry ([05:28])

The Overlooked Importance of Defense

[06:19]

• Colin probes Horry about the underrated focus on defense under Phil Jackson.
• Horry highlights defensive rankings during his championship years and the advantage of anchor bigs:

  “Every championship I won, we were probably top five defensively every year…when you have that guy in the middle…like Shaq, like a Dream [Olajuwon], like Tim Duncan…it's easy.” – Robert Horry ([06:27])

LeBron’s Legacy and Identity as a Laker

[06:59]

• Colin discusses LeBron as a mobile superstar versus the traditional “franchise forever” icons like Magic or Kobe.

  “I defended LeBron for being mobile and bouncing around the league on his terms… He empowered players… but he doesn’t feel like Magic to me as a Laker.” – Colin Cowherd ([06:59])

• Horry pushes back, advocating for LeBron statues in all cities he's contributed to, and highlighting athlete mobility as a modern career reality:

  “He should get a statue in Cleveland, he should get a statue in LA. He should get a statue in Miami, because…wherever he goes, he puts butts in the seats. He’s iconic in that situation.” – Robert Horry ([07:56])

Can Austin Reeves Be a Second Star?

[09:15]

• Colin asks if Austin Reeves is championship-team second-banana material.
• Horry sees potential, but stresses it hinges on defense and smart team construction:

  “When you have Austin on the floor…if that other number one out there can play defense, it's very important.” – Robert Horry ([09:27])

• He explains how teams target offensive players on defense to wear them out.

The Impact of LeBron’s Star Power on Teammates

[10:27]

• Colin compares LeBron’s presence to Denzel Washington’s dominance in a room, arguing that younger players defer to him even when it might hurt their games:

  “LeBron kind of takes the oxygen out of the room sometimes because he's so big. Is that fair?” – Colin Cowherd ([10:27])

• Horry responds by highlighting the “hierarchy” of NBA teams—players need to assert themselves and communicate shifts in advantage.

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International Players’ Rise in the NBA

[17:21]

• Colin muses on Wembanyama and the rise of international MVPs. Horry isn’t surprised, criticizing the flaws in the American AAU system:

  “Our AAU system and our coaching system on a high school level is flawed…coaches are so afraid to coach now because the parents are in the ear…” – Robert Horry ([18:34])

Victor Wembanyama: The New Big Man Prototype

[19:55]

• Horry praises Wembanyama’s ability to “do everything” at his size, comparing him to Dirk Nowitzki but with elite defense:

  “When I look at Wimby, I see Dirk Nowitzki at 7'6". He’s able to handle the rock … Dirk didn’t play no defense but Wemby does… He’s a game changer.” – Robert Horry ([20:07])

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Playoff Heartbreak: Horry’s Lingering Regret

[21:46]

• Colin asks which playoff loss still haunts Horry. He recalls a missed clutch three as a Laker vs. San Antonio costing not just a series but his roster spot:

  “Kobe kicks it to me in San Antonio in my favorite spot. I missed a shot at the buzz. We lose that game… The Lakers don’t pick up my option, and I lose a lot of money.” – Robert Horry ([21:46])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• LeBron deserves statues in multiple cities:

  “Sometimes it’s not about the wins. It’s about the butts you put in the seat… Wherever he goes, he puts butts in the seats.” – Robert Horry ([07:56])

• Bam Adebayo’s 83 is legitimate:

  “There should be no asterisk by your game… What he did was a great accomplishment.” – Robert Horry ([04:00])

• On international player success:

  “Our AAU system and our coaching system on a high school level is flawed… Nobody is learning the game, they going for their money.” – Robert Horry ([18:34])

• On Wembanyama:

  “Wemby is extraordinary…he’s getting better and better…he’s able to block shots. He’s a game changer.” – Robert Horry ([20:07])

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Additional NBA News and Bam Adebayo Coverage (The Herd News)

[23:22]

• Bam Adebayo’s historic night is dissected, with hosts defending the performance against critics:

  “If John Morant dropped 83 last night, everybody’d be like, wow, he was cooking… Bam’s not a guy… we just don’t like that it’s Bam.” – Colin Cowherd ([35:33], [39:26])

• Giannis Antetokounmpo weighs in:

  “It doesn’t matter how you get all the numbers that you… you got it… All you remember is 81 [Kobe], all you remember is 100 [Wilt].” ([35:16])

• Discussion on the culture of dismissing lesser-known stars’ achievements, the impact of tanking, and how "who" scores impacts narrative around historic games.

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Timeline of Major Segments

• [03:00] – Robert Horry joins; Bam Adebayo’s 83 points discussed
• [04:42] – LeBron’s team fit/defensive issues / NBA superstar chemistry
• [06:19] – Defensive identity under Phil Jackson, lack of bigs in today’s Lakers
• [09:15] – Austin Reeves’ ceiling as a star
• [10:27] – The challenge of playing off LeBron’s overwhelming presence
• [17:21] – Wemby & the rise of international NBA players
• [19:55] – Horry on Wemby’s unique skillset
• [21:46] – Horry’s most painful playoff moment and its career implications
• [23:22] – Herd News segment: reactions and ongoing analysis of Bam’s 83-point game

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Tone and Takeaways

The conversation is lively, frank, and insightful, balancing respect for NBA history with an honest critique of modern dynamics—player empowerment, international development, and the state of defense. Robert Horry’s anecdotes provide context and weight, while Colin’s analogies (Denzel in the actors’ room; the impact of star charisma) keep the analysis relatable and fresh.

Summary for New Listeners:
This episode offers a rare double: unique behind-the-scenes wisdom from a championship-winning player, and sharp, opinionated commentary on the latest NBA drama. Whether you want to understand the real reason certain superstar partnerships struggle, why the AAU system is falling behind, or how narratives form around legendary performances, this episode delivers.

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For the Full Horry Interview, Start at: [03:00]

For Deep Dive on Bam Adebayo’s 83-Point Night, Jump to: [33:39]

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[Robert Horry]

Now let's get this party started.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Well, if very few players can say this, Robert Horry made the playoffs in each season of a 16 year NBA career. Never lost in the first round, 39 playoff series wins. Now he does a great job. Laker analyst on Spectrum. See him all the time talking Lakers and he is now joining us live. Played for Phil Popovich, Rudy T. So I want to start before we get to the Lakers stuff because you know him well and you had some great comments off the air. So everybody's kind of banging on Bam out of Bayou and I know it was funky, but Robert, he had 31 in the first quarter and 62 through three and I remember that Kobe 81 game, Kobe scored 11 points in the last four minutes and they and he was taking all the shots. So can I defend Bam out of Bayou and go listen, when you go into the fourth quarter with 62, your boys are going to take care of you, right? You're going to get the looks right?

[Robert Horry]

Yeah, correct. You know, for me, you know, we all make mistakes sometimes and the information I was given about the game, I jumped to conclusions. So I want to apologize for Bam saying that she'll be an Astro. Bam, you deserve what you got. You know, after watching the highlights and showing the work you put in, I apologize you put in the work. It should be no asterisks by your game because you know you I'm a big, big Bam fan because he's only one of the guys that can play a few guys that can do it on both ends of the court. So what he did was a great accomplishment. So you know he should be proud of it and Miami Heat organization should proud of it. More importantly, his teammates should be proud of it because they got him that. They got him that astronomical number.

[Albert Breer]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

So Robert, I was talking about this earlier is for 20 years when LeBron played with adriness, Ilgaskas got him to the finals when he played with D. Wade And Bosch, four finals. And then, then he, you know, he plays with Anthony Davis and it works. And so I just thought naturally, oh, he and Luca would be great together. But the net rating since Luca arrived and the defensive ratings, Luca and Austin are better when LeBron's not on the floor. So I thought the Luca thing, well, they both pass well. They're both smart players. It'll work. The data's in. They're not great together on the floor. Why? Tell me why. What do you notice that worked other places? That doesn't work here.

[Robert Horry]

I think when you. One of the terms I like to use for basketball players is specialists. When you look at all the other formers that he had, those guys were specialists. Luka and AR are kind of the same. And then you throw LeBron and he's similar. But the problem is when you have those three in the game, they're not great defensive players. And you consider LeBron's a good defensive player and Luka and Ar, okay, you got to have really good defensive players when you put that mix in the offense. Because at the end of the day, you have to be able to stop someone. And I know a lot of times in this game it's about you stop me first. And then we just, you know, let the cars fall where they may on the other side to go up. But you, at the end of the day, you think about it when you got that situation where you got to score, you got to have some type of defensive scheme. And I think that was one of the things that is not talked about enough, is about how well you play defense.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I mean, you play with Pop and Phil Jackson. We think of Phil Jackson for the triangle offense. But how much did Phil Jackson preach defense at practice?

[Robert Horry]

All the time. If you go back and look at every championship I won, we were probably top five defensively every year. And you think about when you have that guy in the middle, like a Shaq, like a dream, like a Tim Duncan where you can get up on guys and run them off the three point line. You got that big dog in the back to block shots and guard the yard. It's easy. But you look at the Lakers and you look at who, who's guarding that yard. Deandre Ayton is up and down, you know, Jackson Hayes is up and down. And there's nobody back there that can really guard the yard like I had. We know with Shaq Dream and Tim the.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, I've said before it was different with Magic or Kobe, they're Lakers, but. And I Say this. I always defended LeBron for being mobile and bouncing around the league on his terms. I defended him. He empowered players. It's sort of the LeBron empowerment of players. Michael Jordan made the game global. LeBron empowered players. You guys go look around the league. And so the downside of that for LeBron is that there's not a feeling like Magic. Like, Magic is a Laker. When he shows up to the games, people still stand. Instead of crypto, it's like, oh, my God, there's magic. Is that. I do think maybe I'm wrong, Robert, but you could move off LeBron, give him a statue. I don't think Laker fans would be outraged. Like, I think they realized he. Oh, he was a mobile guy. He went to the best situation. He did what was good for business. He doesn't feel like magic to me as a Laker, I think a lot

[Robert Horry]

of times fans forget that it's a player's choice to go where they want to go, and we get caught up in, oh, he's a Laker, he's a Cavalier, or he's a Heat. You think about when guys in the real world, they don't like their job, they move to another job. If they don't like to pay, they go to another job. But when as an athlete, it's kind of, you know, it's like, no, you can't do that because you're this and that. And I think the choice. And I think LeBron, you know, him, KD, those guys have had the choice. You know, everybody wants somebody to be like a Dirk in a Kobe and stay for 20 years. Tim Duncan, that ain't the case with everybody. They want to explore options. And I think if he does get a statue out there, he's deserving. He should get a statue in Cleveland, he should get a statue in la. He should get a statue in Miami, because you think about what he's done for every organization. Sometimes it's not about the wins. It's about the butts you put in the seat. And wherever he goes, he puts butts in the seats. And so he's iconic in that situation. So, you know, I think he should be, you know, praised more than he is. I think we give him a lot of grief because of the passes he makes sometimes, like, he shouldn't have did this. But think about it. The dude's been the league long than half the league's been living. You think about it. All the guys are in the league now. He's been. They were born with the day he stepped on the court, and I think that's one of the things we have to look at in Marvel. He's just a great athlete. He's a great human being, and more important, he knows how to keep himself ready for each and every game.

[Colin Cowherd]

At 41 years old, Austin Reeves, can he be a number two star on a championship team, or do you need another guy and he's a three? How do you feel about Austin?

[Robert Horry]

I love Austin. I think he can be. But it's going to be very important that when you have Austin on the floor with someone, if that other number one out there can play, defense is very important. You know, you look at why San Antonio is so good, you got Darren Fox, who's kind of like Austin Reed. He didn't create his own shot, but he has Wimby and Vassal and all those guys who can play defense that makes them able to shine. And I think that's the one thing that you can. You can go back and look at a couple series like when Dallas would play Lakers and they would just ISO and go at Arizona, because what you do with a great offensive player, you go at him defensively to try to wear him out. So his legs are tired and he can't shoot as. Especially as good as he normally does. So I think that's one of the things that a lot of players like to do at Luka and ar, because they're not great defenders, and if you go at them, it kind of makes their legs a little tired, so their shots aren't as effective.

[Colin Cowherd]

The. You know, the numbers are pretty clear when Luka, LeBron and Austin are on the floor together. It doesn't work for the. For the. For the reasons you've mentioned. They don't have a defensive stopper.

[Robert Horry]

But.

[Colin Cowherd]

But I also think there is something. You know, I was saying this. You could put a bunch of young actors in a room, but if Denzel Washington walked in, all the young actors, and they could be the hottest people in Hollywood, they would look at Denzel and they'd all say, okay, he. It's Denzel's room. Because so, yeah, LeBron is such an iconic figure that I feel that sometimes. And it's just not LeBron's fault. But when Austin and LeBron are on the court together, like, Austin's not as aggressive. It's like, well, LeBron, I mean, he grew up watching idolizing LeBron. And so this is not a LeBron fault or nor would it be a Denzel fault with a room full of young actors. But I Do think it's time to make it Luka's team and Austin's team. And LeBron kind of takes the oxygen out of the room sometimes because he's so big. Is that fair?

[Robert Horry]

Well, you know the sports, a lot of teams have the hierarchy. Who you gonna go to? What you do is you go to the guy who has a mismatch. And nine times out of ten, LeBron has a mismatch. And you sacrifice your game for the betterment of the team, you know, and as you look out, you know, you think about Dwyane Wade sacrificed his game. Steph Curry sacrificed his game for kd. And you know, the great players do that in order for those guys who are exceptional, you know, the upper echelon bronze like LeBron to be able to shine. I think sometime is up to, you know, sometimes LeBron be like, no go. You cook, you do your thing, but it's up to the player to look at, sit on the bench and say, yo, man, I got the advantage night. I'm hot. Let me cook. And I think AR has finally gotten to that point after coming back from the injury saying, you know what, LeBron, I have the mismatch. You know what, Luke, I have the mismatch. Even last night's game, Luka kind of was like, okay, do your thing. Because we know how ball down the Luke could be because he has the advantage nine times out of 10 when he has the ball offensively. So I think that's a big factor. Communication, part of the players and say, yo, you know, I'm not. I'm not getting in your way. I'm go stand in the corner and knock down this three if you pass it to me. So I think that's what they have to do.

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[Robert Horry]

Not at all, because I think the way they have their system set up is so great. I think our AAU system and our coaching system on a high school level is flawed because the great guys, you just roll the ball out, then you let them play and you get out of their way. And you think about how many international players you look at, just take their form when they shoot the ball. Their form is almost perfect. You look American players, coaches are so afraid to coach now because the parents are in the ear, like, don't touch my kids shot. Don't do this much. And then they don't like what's happening. They jump ships, they go to another school. You know, you think about it in college, nil, money is making guys jump school. Nobody is learning the game. They going for their money. They going for the best situation for them. And that's why I like coaches like Izzo. Izzo, he has that situation where he's trying to teach players. He's, you know, getting players to be, to, you know, go to the next level. And for me, I just think we're jumping ships so much because when we face adversity as players, we don't like it. We want to go to the greener grass, and the grass is not always greener on the other side. And so it starts at the bottom in our farm system. So to say that we're not able to teach players because players now are so sensitive. When you yell at them or try to teach them, they think you're being mean and they want to move on. When someone's going to pat them on the back all the time, sometimes you need to kick in the butt to get you started. Not a pat on the back.

[Colin Cowherd]

So you played with Akeem, you played with Duncan, you played with Shaq. What do you make, what do you make of Wemby? This is new, the new iteration of the big Man. What do you make of it?

[Robert Horry]

Wemby is extraordinary. You know, he keeps saying, using the term alien. And I, I. When you watch him, he's getting better and better. You think about how he started the season out. You know, he was more trying to take a lot of jump shots. Yeah, we know you can shoot the jumper, but you six, seven. I mean, seven, six, just jump hook. Someone get pains, you know, do everything because you can do everything. And it's hard to find players like that. You know, when I look at Wimby, I just, I see Dirk Nowitzki at 7 6, he's able to handle the Rock. He's able to. Even though Dirk didn't play no defense, but Wemby does, he's able to block shots. He's a game changer, you know, and I think when you look at systems and you look at the coaching staff over there, and, you know, you talk about culture and you talk about what was cultivated in San Antonio, where guys just play hard each and every night, that's why that team wins. Because those young guys came into a situation where they know the culture in San Antonio's play hard each and every night, and good things are going to happen.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. Robert Horry, 16 year, seven titles, 16 year NBA veteran. You won. You won almost 70% of your game. So you. You won. I'm going to look this up again. This number. J. Mac, you couldn't believe this number. So hold on. Okay. Third most career playoff series wins, 39. All time. Give me. Man, that's a lot of series wins. What. Give me the. The loss. Give me a series loss that you. That for years and years, you couldn't get over.

[Robert Horry]

Oh, man. My last game as a Laker, remember I went to my last series that we was playing San Antonio back in 2004, the year they won it. You know, I had. I. I would think I was like 3 for 39 from 3 for the series, for the. For the playoffs. I wasn't shooting it very well. I remember Kobe kicks it to me in San Antonio in my favorite spot. I missed a shot at the buzz. We lose that game, then we go home to LA for game six. The spurs beat us, and they go on to win the championship. And that haunts me for a bunch of reasons, because if I make that shot, you know, we probably win that series because it gives us life. But on the other flip side of that, the Lakers don't pick up my option, and I lose a lot of money because they let me go.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, you had a hell of a career. Yeah, I watch it regularly on all the Laker stuff and congrats on your success and thank you for coming on, my man.

[Robert Horry]

Thanks for having me. And also, you know, I want to appreciate you for having me. You know, I always been a big fan. I used to always kid you about Alabama stuff, man. So I want to appreciate you for letting me come on and have this platform.

[Colin Cowherd]

You played for four years for Wimp Sanderson. I remember. I remember that's when guys actually stayed in college, didn't bounce around. I remember it well. Good Seeing you.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah, good to see you, brother.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right, big shot. Bob, Robert Ori seven time champ. That is just an insane number to me. 39. Playoff wins. Playoff series wins. It's incredible. J. Mac with the news.

[Robert Horry]

No, no, no, turn on the news.

[Show Announcer]

This is the Herd line news.

[Albert Breer]

So that shot against the Kings, the three over Weber, I was at a bar in Dewey Beach, Colin. It went bananas. Dewey Beach, Delaware. It was amazing. I'll still remember that to this day. People were going crazy. What a big shot, Bob. Such a legend. All right, let's get started with Max Crosby and the back out in Baltimore, Ravens say no. Raiders are like, oh, well, we'll just trade him to someone else who's going to offer two firsts. And I think the discussion next becomes like, what do you do if you're the Raiders, I think you've got three options. Colin. Door number one, take whatever you can get, get him out of the building. Door number two. Hey, man, you're not healthy. We're not taking peanuts here for a guy who may not be healthy to start the season. Option three is you could trade him at the deadline if things are going source, you know, rookie quarterback, you're not great. Let's see whatever we can get. A contender needs an edge rusher. We get something there. Is there maybe a door number four I'm missing or which one? Are you leaning on these options for Crosby?

[Colin Cowherd]

My guess is when he was in the facility today, so it's not hard feelings, I think, you know, Albert Brer said this earlier, you could move him in the season. I don't think it's as chaotic as everybody thinks. I mean, again, he was in the facility working out. He loves the Raiders, the fans love. And I said this a couple weeks ago, I wouldn't have traded him because my take is you've got so many draft picks. I think they have 11, 12 draft picks.

[Albert Breer]

Right?

[Colin Cowherd]

Your team's going to get really young. And you, I mean, if I said to you name the dependable Raider veterans, you're like, Max Crosby, Colton Miller, and that's about it. It's a young team with a lot of their, you know, like San Francisco's got some young players, but their best players are all old players. Trent and Christian and Kittle and Bosa. It's like most of the players for the Raiders that we really like outside of Max Crosby, are these ascending young players. So that's why Tyler Linderbaum, that's a good get. That's an older, you know, four or five years in the league veteran guy. So if they, if they couldn't move Max, I'd be okay with it.

[Albert Breer]

So. But they also got some veterans who have playoff experience, right? Jaron Johnson, the cornerback's been a lot of playoffs. Linderbaum, as you said, Quay Walker's been in the playoffs. You had the Nakobe Dean. A lot of wars in Philly. Like these aren't just experienced guys, but they've got the chops. They've been there before. I think there's a world where the Raiders kind of surprise folks and eight games.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, I, I think I would not be shocked. You think it's crazy, but we, we watched New England last year. If Clint Kubiak works as a head coach, I would not be shocked if they sneak in as a wild card team. You know, it's going to, you know, we've done the Washington Commanders awful to NFC championship. If the quarterback can play and you're not paying him and you can surround him with B plus guys, this Raider roster is not going to look anything.

[Albert Breer]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Opening game, opening weekend, early September, this roster is going to have like New England, 20 new players and 12 new starters.

[Albert Breer]

And you also know how life works, right? Sometimes you miss out on a job and you're devastated, and six months later, something better comes along and you're like, wow, I'm glad I didn't get that other job. This could be a blessing in disguise, you know, keeping Crosby. Maybe he becomes a leader. All right, let's move on to Bam Adebayo and his 83 point game last night against the hapless Wizards. The tanking Wizards. Some people are, I don't know, not that impressed with Bam. As you know, at points last night Washington was like triple teaming him so he wouldn't get the ball. They didn't sub him out. Up 20 late in the game, missing free throws on purpose. Here's Ime Udoka, the coach of the Rockets, on the last night's 83 points.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah, I mean, first thing you think is Hal, you know, because of, not because of him, but because of the way he plays, you know, and I saw only made six threes, but 40 free throws or something like that tells the story right there. And the Washington Wizards.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I mean he averages five free throws a game. He got 43.

[Albert Breer]

Yeah, I think you nailed it with the, hey, this is a special impressive performance all time stuff.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think when you have 62 at the end of three quarters, everybody just looks down. The bench is like, bro, we got to take care of our guy. Let's get him to Kobe's number. I think that's what happened and I'm okay with it.

[Albert Breer]

So I think it was Jalen Rose. I'm not sure. Do you remember who the defender was when Kobe scored? 81? Someone on the Raptors. And we remembered it for years now it's been, you know, 15 years, but there's nobody on Washington who we even know because they're actively tanking. Have you looked at the guys they played last night?

[Colin Cowherd]

One of their ages were 20, 20, 20, 19 and 21.

[Albert Breer]

They're playing two way guys in hopes

[Colin Cowherd]

they're playing college guys.

[Albert Breer]

Yeah, exactly. Michigan was probably older than the starting lineup that Washington trotted out last night. So I mean, I get it. It's fascinating still.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's.

[Albert Breer]

That's 83 freaking points, man. Final story, Team USA baseball. We got to hit it just one more time.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yep.

[Albert Breer]

USA is playing the waiting game due to that loss to Italy last night. It's very clear they need Italy. Need to beat Mexico tonight or Mexico scores five runs. That's how the U.S. advances. Here's Mark DeRosa after the loss last

[Robert Horry]

night, tough game, great game by Italy. Jumped on us quick, couple big homers to kind of stifle the crowd a little bit. And just a little. We had the right guys at the

[Colin Cowherd]

plate at the right time.

[Robert Horry]

Just weren't able to get it done.

[Albert Breer]

So again, I, I, you know, I'm not really up on Nolan McClain. Colin, this is Team USA. Nolan McLean had eight MLB starts according to our staff.

[Colin Cowherd]

Eight.

[Albert Breer]

Why is he pitching in that spot? Nolan McLean, Team USA baseball. That like, I, I, that's a, that's a tough one for the young guy. Well, I mean, he got bombed by Italy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, you know, you get to these international competitions.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Well, World cup, it feels a little different.

[Albert Breer]

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[Colin Cowherd]

It is.

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People are obsessed with the, I mean, the games are great.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yep. Yeah, I agree. J. Mac with the news.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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Incredible.

[Robert Horry]

Incredible. Speaks volumes in his hard work. I haven't seen the game. I have to watch the game.

[Show Announcer]

You see 36 of 43 from the line.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Robert Horry]

It doesn't matter how you get all the minds that you. You got it 10, 20, 30 years from now, nobody's going to remember having the fifth row he shot. I figure I remember how many shots that's Kobe shot or how many threes. All you remember is 81.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, that's exactly how I feel. It's. But it's funny. We celebrated Kobe's 81. We still talk in Hershey, Pennsylvania about the Wilt Chamberlain 100. I mean, if John Morant, who is not nearly as good as Bama to buy you, if John Morant dropped 83 last night, everybody be like, wow, he was cooking. That's unbelievable. Bama to buy who's a much better player than John Moran. If Zion scored 83 and Bama to buy you is a much better player than Zion Williamson, I think people would have liked it. But when Bam does it, it's like, well, it's a lot of free throws. Here was Wimby didn't seem quite as excited as I am.

[Robert Horry]

Did you see fan at 83 tonight? And does that give you any inspiration

[Colin Cowherd]

to go for some of the bigger scoring numbers in league history?

[Robert Horry]

Yeah. So I think there's. We're playing a league where there's plenty of inspiration to look up. So. But yeah, I saw.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't think was that impressed. I do think, you know, when people say, well, I mean, there's tanking and the Wizards are terrible. Just let's be honest, all dynasties usually come from a place of weakness. Is that the minute Harbaugh gets hired by the Chargers and Sean Payton gets hired by the Broncos, now the Kansas City Chiefs don't feel quite as dominant. Right. Like, that's the reality of like LeBron used to get to the finals every year in the east. He goes west, he's not quite as dominant. Nick Saban dominated the sec and then one of his assistants, his best assistant ever, Kirby Smart, goes to Georgia and then Texas joins the conference. And Nick Saban is not as dominant at Alabama. And so, you know, when. When anybody has a great dynasty or a great run, I mean, Tom Brady, and we all love Tom. Look, the jets were in the toilet most of that 20 years. The bills were absolutely in the toilet. And the Dolphins were always average. The minute the Buffalo Bills got Josh Allen, suddenly Belichick, it wasn't as dominant against the quarterbacks in his division. He could not stop Josh Allen. So, you know, I mean, my. The way I look at it is Kobe did his number against the lousy Raptors team, and they kept him into the end of the game to chuck up threes. And Wilt did it against a Knicks team that was 18 under.500. And Bam did it against the lousy Wizards team. I mean, this is the reality of the NBA. And, you know, you go back to that Kobe. It's just funny how we celebrate the Kobe game. Oh, God, it's unbelievable. He scored 11 points in the last four minutes. They kept him in the game. Here's JJ Redick on what happened last night.

[Robert Horry]

I'll have to watch the tape.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, it's.

[Robert Horry]

It's incredible what he was able to do. They've been playing great basketball lately. And I, I said to my coaching staff, oh, the heat of rolling. And they all kind of looked at each other. They're like, are you. Are you kidding right now? I was like, no, what's up? They're like, they're 36 and 28 or whatever they are. They're getting ready to be 37 and 28. And they were like, no, Bam has 77. And I was like, huh? And. And then I watched the last three minutes and that was a different type of basketball.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, they doctored it up a little bit. It. It's okay. But to me, 83 is 83. You know, it. I just. We do this all the time. People choose what they like and they defend what they like. People loved Kobe. Kobe could be a total ball hog. Kobe was very difficult to play with. I mean, I read that Jeff Pearlman book, A Three Ring Circus. I mean, I. It was hard to like Kobe when you got that kind of revelations and insight about Kobe Bryant, the teammate. Like, he wore every. He wore Phil Jackson and Shaq out other stars. So I think it's. We just, you know, Bam's not a guy. I'm telling you right now, if John Morant, who's half the player of bam, got 83, everybody be celebrating tonight. That would feel fitting. We just don't like that it's Bam. And I mean, to get 83 in basketball, who are we kidding here? You gotta be playing a crappy team and things are getting doctored. You're taking shot, you're staying in the game. That's a blowout. That's the way it works. Do you think.

[Albert Breer]

Do you think that, like, you know, there's a lot of pushback online against this? I wonder if that's authentic or people just realize, hey, that's the only way my comments can break through and go viral is if I trash a guy scoring 83 points because I don't know, I'm seeing stuff like, oh, the Miami Heat culture is done.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't want to hear Heat culture anymore.

[Albert Breer]

Heat culture is forcing 83 points against a tanking team with some subbing Bam back into the game. And I don't know, people are really hammering the Heat. People are saying, eric Spoelstra, I don't want him near Team usa.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, it's nonsense.

[Albert Breer]

People are losing their minds over this.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, people don't have much of a mind to begin with that they're losing their minds over this. Yeah, it has not. Spoelstra is a great coach. And, and you know, it's. It's. It's a moment against the tanking, terrible team of basically teenagers and one year older than teenagers. And they kept Bam in and he was getting to the free throw line. And it's.

[Albert Breer]

If this were Anthony Edwards, Colin, everybody would sell if.

[Colin Cowherd]

If this was Anthony Edwards who shot 43 free throws, everybody would love it today. Everybody would think it was so cool because Ant's cool and John Moran's cool and Bam's just a quiet, soft spoken, hardworking defensive warrior. And they. And he doesn't fit what we want our 83 points to come from. That's all this is.

[Albert Breer]

And there's probably a little pushback. Well, Kobe's. Kobe had 81. We don't want anybody topping that. Obviously Kobe very well loved, you know, merch. Just a awesome human being in career. And it's like, I don't. People aren't really in on Bam. He's like a center scoring 83 points but shooting. He's at 22, three pointers. Colin, is that. That's a little goofy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think the stat line that's amazing is he had 31 points in the first quarter. Now, I don't know if that's an all time record. It's gotta be close. That is a ton of points. That's basically. That's a big night for Luca in 12 minutes.

[Albert Breer]

Well, Luca scored I think 70 or 71 in a game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Devin Booker had over 78, scored 71 in the game. I guarantee you he didn't play a lick of defense. Nobody cared.

[Albert Breer]

Hey, settle down. Bashing Luca. Somebody stepped up their defense with LeBron out. I don't know if it was Luca. Reeves, Jackson Hayes, Rui Hachimora. Lakers are playing defense against the Knicks and the Wolves might be Luca. And by the way, now that we know Luca's going through some stuff off the court, family related I'm sure you saw that story. Yeah, like, hey, maybe we should settle down. Bashing him for yelling at the refs. You know, people got stuff going on at home, you don't know. And he's taking it out on the refs.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's been yelling at the refs from his first day in the league. That's not a trouble at home. Now I'm angry. Yelling at the ref situation. I don't. I always think, like, to me, arguing with the refs is just. It. Not only is it time consuming, it's energy sapping. Like, anytime you argue with anybody, it's. It's energy sapping. It's like, Luca, you barely have enough energy to play defense. What are you talking. I mean, it'd be one thing if he was a. Michael Jordan could sometimes bark at the refs, but Jordan was relentless. He'd play 18 holes of golf. He was great offensively. He was great defense. I mean, Michael had weird energy, like, beyond even like a great athlete energy. Like, I remember years ago when he played baseball and he was in the south, like Birmingham, and he's wearing one of those jackets in the south, taking bratting practice until he had blisters on his hands because he was trying, and he had. He had one of those dark jackets on to lose weight. And I'm like, I couldn't be outside for five minutes, and it was 90 in the heat. It's Alabama, and he's out there taking wax. So, you know, Jordan is one of those guys where you got it on both ends. So I don't have a problem barking at refs. Luca plays no defense. It's like, bro, save the very limited extra energy you have when you don't have the ball to, you know, man a guy up. All right, we're done. Albert Brer. Thank you for stopping by. Robert Orey as well. I've been reading the, you know, some of the free agent stuff today. It's backups, it's rotational guys. It's a third corner, a second guard. That.

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