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THE HERD - Hour 3 - Stacey King shares untold stories of Michael Jordan
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Colin Cowherd
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Stacy King
Now let's get this party started.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
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Colin Cowherd
Stacy King, former Chicago Bull, three rings. Isn't it amazing? You know, so much in pro sports is where you land. Can you. I mean, can you imagine you retire from the league, your grandkids. What team did you play for? The greatest North American sports team, arguably ever. Here's some Stacy King TV calls over the years to the Chicago Bulls.
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Stacy King (excited calls)
Stop it. Stop it. Don't do them like that. What are you doing? Drag. Did you not get the memo? Caruso, get it for Lavine. Throw it upstairs. Watch the afro. Watch the Afro. Jaron Holland. Oh, shy. Slam a table, baby.
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Colin Cowherd
Carter sets up a screen.
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John Middlekoff
Kitty races to the basket, fires it out.
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Stacy King (excited calls)
Fuchsia hits the shot for three. Oh, my goodness. Elizabeth. I'm coming again, Elizabeth. Oh, Lord. Oh, it's a big one. Elizabeth.
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Colin Cowherd
The Cardiac Bulls with that Stacy King is now joining us live. He is very excitable, there's no question about it. Played with Pip and Jordan, now doing the Bulls game. So I have been. I'm a Bull season ticket holder and I can't wait.
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Stacy King (excited calls)
Oh, wow.
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Stacy King
I didn't know that.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep. So when I moved from LA to Chicago, I said to my wife, I'm like, you know what, man? It's, it's. We. We got a place downtown, we got a place in burbs. I'm like, it's 30 minute drive and I want to get it into the vibe of Chicago. I want to invite friends. So we boug bought tickets and I would go to the games. But it was one of those things where I, I was kind of watching the Celtics or the Lakers. I wasn't watching the Bulls. And my takeaway on the Bulls is I always like Millie Donovan. He's won everywhere, college or pro, and he has good players. But I could never figure out their plan. And I've said this on the air for years, Stacy, if I'm watching a football game, if you're a good coach, I can tell what you're trying to do. I can see your game plan. And I've always felt that with Sam Presti or Brad Stevens. So they get rid of the GM and the basketball ops guy. Let's get to the roster, because the Bulls are Rarely terrible. They're 15th, 16th. It just feels like they're. How many players away are they from being a top 5 or 6 or 17? Maybe not OKC, but how many players away are they?
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Stacy King
Well, I mean, honestly, you got a good. You got a good start with modest Bouz Elvis, who's turning out to be a very good player. Josh Giddey is a triple double waiting to happen. So those are the two pillars that you have in the organization right now. And I think where the Bulls need to go is build around those guys. You need a good defensive two guard, a two way player, you need a big a rim protector, and you need guys that can help Josh Giddey make shots. Josh Giddey is a pass first point guard. If you watched him play, Kyle, I know you have, he's a distributor. He fans the ball out to everybody. But if he doesn't have the people around him that can make shots and then, you know this league, you have to have three point shooters, you have to have guys that can make shots. And especially the way Billy Donovan wants to play basketball, they're one of the highest paced teams in the NBA, but the wins are not there to show that. But if you get the right pieces around you. Look at Detroit just a couple of years ago, they lost like 28 games in a row and people were just like, you know, writing them off. They're terrible, they're horrible. And, and then all of a sudden the next year they're a top five team. And then this year they're the number one team in east. So it could be done. You have to draft well and you have to get the really, the really good quality free agents to help your culture.
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Colin Cowherd
I've said this, take out the COVID years. Chicago has led the NBA in attendance seemingly forever. I'm new to the city, but why do you think this city is so loyal to basketball? Is it still the remnants of Jordan? I mean, they just. Every time I go to a Bulls game, it's packed. It doesn't matter who it is, it's packed. What is it about this generally in every other city in America? I mean, even when the Yankees stunk in the 80s, nobody went. You know, Yankee Stadium had lots of people not going. What is it about Chicago and the NBA?
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Stacy King
Well, of course, you know, the Jordan years and six championship years really established, you know, this franchise. And you know, Michael coming back the second time around that got everybody a buzz. This is a great sports city. I mean, they support the Bears, the, the Cubs, the White Sox, the soccer team, the Fire, the Blackhawks. All these organizations have gone through situations where they haven't won. Their fan support is still there. We got some of the best fans in the NBA. I mean, we sell out every single game, no matter what's on the floor. And I think, you know, just after all these firings that, you know, when Michael Rogers Came out and, you know, they kind of cleaned house a little bit. I think he started understanding how important the fan base is because they deserve a winner. They deserve. Even though there's six banners hanging in the United center, those are not Christmas ornaments. Those are real things that guys bled, cried, they fought for. And the guys before us who came in, the Artist Gilmore's, you know, the Chet Walkers, you know, the Jerry Sloane, those guys who came in here and paved the way for us, you know, they've got to put a winning product on the floor to give these fans something to cheer for because they've been so loyal to this organization. I mean, we travel. We're one of the best teams on the road. You know, we're not even a winning team right now. We travel deep on the road, so. And even overseas. So, you know, we've got to find a way here to, to get the product better. It's going to take some time. And we now I think we understand what direction we need to go. I think before we had one foot in. Should we tank? Should we not tank? And the other side over here, well, let's rebuild. And I think, I think they had a good. I think he had a good idea of what he wanted to do. It just didn't formulate the way he wanted to.
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Colin Cowherd
So last year's draft, I mean it's, it's Dylan Harper, Cooper flag, Con Knippel. So I have this theory, Stacy, that the nil kind of saved college basketball. Nil. Illinois can go and go buy €4. So we're buying 15 to 20 European players minimum a year. That was gonna. That used to just stay in Spain or stay in wherever they come and play. And because European kids play against older players, they come into our sport, then they're highly skilled. And then because of Nil, you get guys like Yaxel Lenneborg at Michigan or Zach Edie the year before. They stay in college a year longer. So college basketball is older, stronger, and when the guys get to the NBA, they're more ready to play. You're seeing guys walking in now that are ready to give you 18 points a night. I didn't think Con canipple would be this good this fast. I thought Cooper was great. I didn't think it'd be this good. So my take because of that, Stacy, is draft picks. For a while, when it was a one and done league, I, I mean people were giving up nine picks for Rudy Gobert. Okay, Now I believe the last two, three years, it's back to your ERA draft picks matter a lot. Who could the Bulls maybe get? Is there somebody they could get that you think could be an impact? You watch enough college basketball, you were an all time great. Is there, you've watched all these college players. Is there anybody? I don't mean to put you on the hot seat, but is there anything you see, I mean, Yaxel Lindenborg, there's a guy that's 69, runs the floor. What kind of guy immediately do you see?
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Stacy King
Well, it all depends on where they draft. If they get lucky like they did when they got Derrick Rose, when they had like the lowest chance possible to get him, and they end up getting him. You know, I would say the star powers in those top five guys. But I think the Bulls have to be realistic. What if we don't get in the top four drafts and we can't get any? I think the Banz is the real deal. I like his motor. He competes every night. I think, you know, Cam Boozer is a guy that's going to give you 15 years. He's going to be a double, double guy. He's going to help you win. He may not look sexy doing it, but he's going to be part of a winning team with a winning attitude. When you look at Peterson, Peterson has that super up that talent that you just oozes with talent, but you're a little afraid of him because if you were, you know, he was low managing at 18 years old at the college level and you get to the pros where you're playing 82 games, you're playing, you know, four games in five nights and you're going up against killers at your position every night. You have to show up and be ready to play. So he scares me a little bit, but the talent is undeniable. But Luxembourg, when you watch him in Michigan, he reminds you of Draymond Green with offense. Like he can actually, he can actually control the tempo of the game. He can move the basketball, he plays defense, he rebounds. And he was on a bum ankle in that championship game and he made a huge impact down the stretch that allowed Michigan to win that championship. But there's. This is probably one of the deepest drafts that's been around for a long time. Drafts, the Cooper flag draft. If anybody was supposedly going to tank, these were the two drafts that you really want to do it. But Colin, it's gotten so, it's gotten so big. Now that nil is in high school, you're seeing kids, 7, 7th, 8th graders, 6, 10, 6, 11 look like Giannis running around. Duncan Wimby's got a brother coming up. I think in a year or so that's 6, 10. It looks like him and plays like him at 6 foot 10. So there is abundance of talent coming up in the next few years for the NBA.
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Colin Cowherd
Talk tanking. You know, it was P.J. carlissimo came on yesterday and he goes, these billionaires are worth $60 billion. You think finding Ryan Smith, 500 grand. He doesn't care if he can get, if he can get the kid out of BYU, that's $100 million pick. I mean that could change the valuation of the Jazz from 3 billion to 3.5 billion. Is there a way to. I mean, there's always been a little tanking. It's, I think it's so bad this year because the draft's so good. I don't think it'll be this bad next year. Is there a solve to it?
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Stacy King
Yeah, I do. I said, I said I came up with a plan on my podcast where I said, you know, don't even do the in season tournament anymore. Just go ahead and play out your regular season. At the end of the year, the worst teams in the league based off of records, that's, that's the seating that they play. And they would play it, they would play it into the season tournament. The last say 15, 20 games in a season, maybe less, however they designed it. But the teams that are going to be in the lottery, they, from that point on, from the last 20 games, the team with the best record gets the number one seed, second best team. Boom, boom, boom. And you make teams earn, you make teams earn the right to get the number one pick. So if Washington wants the number one pick, they got to play their players all, all season long to be in position to be, to have the record, to be getting to that position. And then you put these teams in that indices the last 15 games of the season, you know, it gives their fan base something to get excited about. It gives them something to really, they, if they want AJ Debanza, you got to go earn them. You got to go get them. If you, if you want Cam Boozer, you better finish in that top three or top four. And it makes it very competitive and it keeps the integrity of the game, I think in check. And I think, I think that's probably about the fairest way you can do it. I would like to see it do it that way because you have to earn the number one pick instead of going to the ping pong balls and all that other stuff. Make those teams. If you know ahead of time, you have to know who's going to be in that in that situation. Like you just put up the screen. Those teams right there. The last 20 games of the season, best team in the last 20. And here's the thing, Colin, it doesn't matter if you got to play Denver, you got to play the best teams during that point. It doesn't matter. You got to get out there and earn it.
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Colin Cowherd
That's great.
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Colin Cowherd
NBA players can be a little petty. So the Athletic did a player poll on mvp. Wemby was fifth. And I'm like, they don't want to give it to Wemby because they know they're going to have to. He's going to win eight of them. That's what it feels like. So I don't have a I would vote for Wemby because of his influence, but I don't have a problem if SGA wins it. I was not a big Luca fan. I Don't think he gives you enough effort on the defensive side. It drives me crazy. If you had to vote MVP and you see these guys every night, who do you. Is now the words valuable? Who's the most valuable player in this league?
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Stacy King
Well, I mean, Jokic, Wimby and SGA are the top three, but if you took Wimby off that team, the spurs are back to being a lottery team. They win some games, but I still think they'd be a lottery team. You take Jokic off of Denver, they're close to being a lottery team. They win some games because you still got Murray, you know, you still got Aaron Gordon. They would win some games. They might be a fringe team. They have to play in the. Play in or something. But if you take SGA off and as great as he is, and I respect his game completely, but you take him off that team, they're still going to be a playoff team. They may not be a number one seed because they're so deep and they're so talented that, you know, you got Williams there. I mean, you got Chet there. You got so many guys. You know, Casey Wallace is an underrated player in my opinion. He, he would go somewhere else and be a star somewhere else, but he plays a great role in Oklahoma City. But I think Oklahoma City would still be a top 16 even without Shad being there. Yeah, that shows you the other two are so valuable to their franchises that if you took them off, you know, one maybe not make the playoffs because, you know, San Antonio's young Dylan Harper, all those guys are still young. And then Oklahoma City, I mean, Denver, you still have some veteran players that would keep you up and keep you least in the playoff hunt. But you take Wimby off the Spurs, I don't know if they make the playoffs.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, the, you know, all the years you were with the Bulls, I mean, it just. You played for the greatest North America, arguably the greatest North American sports team of all time. I remember going, covering a series, I think it was against Orlando, and Jordan had his own locker room. He had so many media people. He had his own locker room. The. I mean, I'm sure it was like the craziest thing in the world to play with a Jordan and a Scottie Pippen. When you watch the Last Dance, when you were watching that stuff, and for me it was so much behind the scenes footage. Was there anything in the Last Dance you watched and that made you laugh or made you cringe and you're like, oh my God. It wasn't as Much fun as everybody, you know, I mean, because it's easy when you're on top of the world. You think it's all great. But you tell me, as when you watched Last Dance, what was. How did you reflect?
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Stacy King
Well, I thought it was pretty accurate because, you know, we were in the first dance, the first three, so. And Michael was in. Michael was at his highest at that point. You know, he was just now, you know, winning championships. He was at his highest level. He came back from baseball and he was still Michael Jordan. But he wasn't the same like as far as, like he started posting up more. He started shooting more mid range shots and taking more threes in the first. And he didn't dunk as much. If you go back to remember he did, he still dunked, but he wasn't ducking like he was doing in that first three. Right. The thing I took away from it is, is that, you know, you know, Scotty kind of. Scotty kind of got a bad rap in that per se. You know. I think all our teammates have all agreed on that.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Stacy King
That his frail in. That was a little bit too harsh.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Stacy King
Because you take, you take Scottie Pippen off that team, I don't care what anybody says, we don't win. They don't win six championships. We just don't. We might win a couple, we might win a couple, but we don't. With Michael, as great as he was, he needed, he needed Scotty and Scotty needed Michael. And so they both are hand in hand. You know, salt and pepper, you know, peanut butter and jelly. You had to have both. One without the other is just not as good.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. You know, you can always brag that you were on the really good three peat team.
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Stacy King
Yeah. It was like rock stars, Colin. I mean, it's funny when I go into a city with this, with this current Bulls team, you know, they may have like, you know, 10 people out there asking for autographs or signed cards and stuff. You know, we come into like Utah and there'd be like 800, 900 people waiting for you to come in at 2 in the morning, you know, and that was back when you didn't travel with security. These guys got, you know, they got, you know, security with them now. We didn't have security. Like we walk in a hotel, people, you know, back then you didn't have to stay in a hotel. You could actually go into the lobby and wait for us to come in. And you come in there, it's like you won a championship or something. It's like game 30 and there's so many people in there. I mean, I've seen, I've seen a lady at Madison Square Garden. We're trying to get out to get to the next city, and a lady lays in the front of the bus just to get Michael to take a picture. And she refused to get up off the ground. She said, you can run me over unless I get a picture with Michael. And then feels like, Michael, come out and get this lady a picture. We get out of here, you know, so. So MJ went out to give a picture. I see some crazy stuff, man. I should write a book too, because you know how it is being ex player. You know, what goes on locker room stays in the locker room.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Stacy King
But we all have great stories. But you know, being with MJ is a totally different, you know, totally different animal, man. I mean, these guys who are superstars now, they, they deserve all the attention they get. But when you went into a Bulls locker room and you've been in there before, I mean, there's hundreds, hundreds of reporters from all over the country, all over the world in there. You, you want a Bulls locker room now? There might be like seven reporters.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. No, it's just, you're just part of something great. You're just part of something absolutely amazing. Stacy King, that's great seeing you about. We gotta talk more often. And by the way, next time I'm at the United Center, I'll stop by.
- [24:46]
Stacy King
Well, now that I know you in Chicago, almost definitely.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, Great seeing you, man.
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Stacy King
All right, buddy. Take it easy.
- [24:53]
Colin Cowherd
All right? Yeah, it's just I can remember a moment when the Bulls were playing the Suns. I was on the couch watching with a friend, and I just turned to the friend and it was in the finals. And I'm like, Michael's six' six. He's not six' ten. He's not the best ball handler. You know, he wasn't the strongest player. Although pound for pound he was strong and he wasn't the best shooter. He had a good mid range game. But when you watch Jordan in his prime, the first three, in the last, he wasn't quite. I mean, he was great in both. I mean, the first year back from baseball, they lost in the playoffs to Orlando. The first year back, he was still. He was trying to transition from baseball shape to basketball shape, and, and they lost that first year. But I can remember watching that series and telling the person I was next to like, it looks so easy. And the gap between Jordan and the second best player could have been Charles Barkley, could have been Akeem. Whatever it was, it felt so large. And the only other time I've seen that is LeBron in his prime where I felt like LeBron in his prime where he's chasing down people, fast break. And swatting stuff off, taking Matthew Delavadova and being competitive in the finals, I felt like the second best player, like wasn't really close. I mean, I remember when LeBron went to Miami with D. Wade. D. Wade was a top five or six player in the league and you know, the keys to the city of Miami it's about. And people were talking about. But they were like four practices in and it was like, yeah, yeah, D. Wade's good, but yeah, that it's got, it's going to be. It's going to be LeBron's team. Those are the two players. I mean, as good as Magic was Larry Bird, I mean he had a finals that was so bad they called him, you know, tragic Johnson. As good as Kobe was, was he ever the best player in the league? Maybe for a year or two. I mean the late Kobe Bryant. But when Jordan and LeBron were so great, I felt like there was a gap between that and the second best player. That's that. I honestly think we're getting close to that. I think Wemby is going to have a run. It may only last five years because right now Jokic is the best player in the league. If Wemby keeps refining his offensive game, is, is, is he going to feel like for a four or five year period like man, who's who's two Luca SGA John will give us Herdline news after the break.
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Colin Cowherd
NFL Scout here I'm at the Go Low Golf podcast at the Volume 3 and out podcast. The guy Brooks Koepka's playing pretty well today. John Mittlekopf with the news.
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Stacy King (excited calls)
No, no, turn on the news.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
This is the herd line news.
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John Middlekoff
Okay, sticking with the basketball theme, Kevin Durant had a big night against the Rockets, but I got a couple stats for you. This blew my mind. Kevin Durant has played in 77 games this year. So all these guys not playing, he's also has played the third most minutes in the association. Colin. Crazy this has been. I know their team has kind of been weird. They're on an eight game winning streak.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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John Middlekoff
Isn't that pretty? If I would have told you, listed the top 10 guys, especially the older guys, you know, the Curry's, LeBron's, he, I don't know if I would add him near the top to play that many games, play that many minutes, but
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Colin Cowherd
one of the underrated stories in the league, they don't have a point guard because of injuries, so they have Amen Thompson, who's a great athlete. Zane Goons, a very good score. Durant's health this year, I mean, he's putting in huge minutes. And you know, listen, Kevin's a baller. Kevin loves playing basketball. I mean, I always see, you'll see like off season stuff and him working out that dude. The old saying is a gym rat. Like that guy loves basketball.
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Stacy King
Yeah.
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John Middlekoff
I was telling one of our guys earlier that, you know, he'll be putting up 20 at 58 at the Y. You know, so it's like he, he's, he's going to play basketball as long as his body will allow, but he. Listen, their team, like you said, is a little, little weird.
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Stacy King
Yeah.
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John Middlekoff
And I, you know, I hope for his sake they win a series because you know, he'll take a lot of criticism. He'll be firing back on Twitter. We know how that song and dance goes to the NFL, Colin, where the Dolphins obviously in a full rebuild mode.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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John Middlekoff
You know, you gotten rid of Tua Tyreek. They traded Jaylen Waddle. And after Waddle was traded to Denver, Dolphin center Aaron Brewer sat down with Taron Armstead on his podcast and it kind of reflected what went through his head when the trade went down.
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Aaron Brewer
My initial reaction is I'm just shocked. I'm shook. I'm, I'm like, what we doing? But then my next thought right after that, like, okay, what we going to do? Well, we've been doing that wide receiver room who the next man up. So like every time like something like that, I'm looking at the people we still got. Because when you see something like that, you got to put, you got to put something on your shoulder. That's the Extra chip. You see an opportunity anytime somebody gone. Bradley tub going that next defensive outside linebacker opportunity. Sure. They receive a little hey Malik opportunity.
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Colin Cowherd
Sure.
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Aaron Brewer
And so that's where my mindset went with him.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, they have a fir two first a second four thirds. That, that's seven starters on that. Rod. I was texting a general manager three days ago and I was, I was guessing I was doing a mock draft and I sent it to him. He said with the Dolphins, he said, he goes, they just need everything outside of running back and quarterback. They have immediate needs in every single unit. I, I am really interested in their draft. I love the Packer guys coming over stable, good, good draft and development culture. They're also great draft and develop. I mean Halfley's, you know, it was a college coach. He's dealt with young kids. Halfley's a, he's a perfect fit because he's going to have, he's going to have, you know where they got 10 picks, he's going to have a bunch of 23 year olds. Well that's what he was doing at Boston College. So those college guys come into the league, they're good in the, they're good in the draft development stage. They, they know it and their gm,
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John Middlekoff
Packer, Packer guy, I mean they hang their hat on the draft. He worked there for 20 plus years. I think the Jalen Waddle thing, like I don't think they would just would have given him away for a late second round pick Sean Payton. It'd be like someone knocked on my, on my front door. I don't want to sell my house. But you offered triple what it's worth. I mean he paid a lot. Sean Payton really wanted him and they gave him away. And they didn't give him away. I mean they got a first round pick and a third round pick. Jalen Waddle's really good but I not an untradable player. This is the NFL. Most players, unless your name is Mahomes or Josh Allen, you never know.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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John Middlekoff
To the draft. Colin. We are a little under two weeks away. We have the list of the guys who will attend the draft. Obviously Fernando Mendoza is not attending, but Ty Simpson is attending. My theory a little bit is you're
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Colin Cowherd
in the TV business.
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John Middlekoff
Is this going for the story? You know, more than likely if you got picked he'd probably go in the 20 someone trade up. There is a chance that he's just not drafted in the first round. And it's one of those stories that kind of carries us but I don't blame Ty. There's no guarantee, but it's a pretty unique opportunity in life. I mean, he's a one year starter. You get invited to the draft, you
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Colin Cowherd
go, well, you know, if I had to guess, if any of those guys, it'll be interesting to see where Keldrick Falk from Auburn goes. He's, he's, you know, the, the knock on him is he just doesn't make enough plays. He looks the part. He comes really close to making a lot of plays.
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John Middlekoff
Well, if you compare to him, Shemar Stewart, last year, the guy the Bengals took who didn't have many, he went, I think top 15. So those guys with the traits usually go somewhere in the top 20, 25 picks. Right.
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Colin Cowherd
Man, there's a lot of Ohio State dudes.
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John Middlekoff
That's what I wanted to bring up to you. You know, when people push back on Fernando Mendoza, they have three guys on defense that could go in the top 10.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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John Middlekoff
And obviously they have a ton of talent that is still there. Their NFL. That's who Fernando Mendoza beat in front of us, in front of what, 30 million people. Remember watching that? I mean that's, that's pretty. And these aren't just good. Reese is a pretty elite prospect at 20 years old. Right. Sonny Styles, how often do you middle linebackers Luke Kely or Roquan Smith. That's what it takes to go in the top 10. Well, and Caleb Downs was a star for Nick Saban as a true freshman.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. If a linebacker, I mean you have, you have to be real. Like when Quinton Nelson came out.
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Stacy King
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Of Notre Dame, interior colts to take an inter. Forget he wasn't even a true center. He was a guard. To take a guard in your top 10 picks, you're like, oh yeah, that's great. I mean, a lot of times, I mean, if you look at the draft this year, it's a lot of edge rushers. It's a lot of, you know, guys that don't have like, you know, David Bailey. Think about it. David Bailey doesn't defend the run. Very good. Ruben Bane, measurement issues. Avril Reese, not a defined position. They're edge rushers. They're all going to own the top eight.
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John Middlekoff
You know, back to Ty Simpson. One thing I was thinking earlier in the show when you were talking about him, if you could put true serum in DeBoer's hands, you know, he took over Alabama. Jalen Milroe had just been in the playoffs with Saban and had that kind of historic moment when he beat Auburn at the End of the game. If none of that carried over and he could just pick the best quarterback on his roster to start for his team, would he have picked Ty Simpson? You know it was a little out of his hands. Jalen Milroe was going to get to start, but that's not really his type quarterback. I don't know. That would interest me from a kind of a scouting perspective because he's only a one year starter but could he have been a two year starter? It was just DeBoer didn't have the equity yet to try make a big move.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you know, I know everybody's looking ahead to next year's draft but what really is fascinating to me is two teams, Miami and Vegas who aren't, you know, like Miami doesn't have any talent. Miami's got so many good picks. And then Las Vegas, I think Vegas is going to what I'm fascinated with. They're going to get Fernando Mendoza number one who's not going to the draft. Going to be with his family in Miami. Interesting to see the Raiders second pick because they have like the fifth pick in the second round. Yeah. If a Mark Cooper, the receiver from Indiana isn't drafted in the first round now I think Amar Cooper's I just talking yesterday. Somebody who loves him. Love.
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John Middlekoff
He's got a lot of love in the coaching and scouting circle.
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Colin Cowherd
Mature. Can do a little slot sideline, if that. I could see the Raiders moving up and giving away. They have three fourth round picks. I could see them moving up and saying we're going to give you two fours for Cooper because if it's not a great draft by the time you get Raiders have three fourth round picks. There's no guarantee a fourth round guy is anything more than a backup.
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John Middlekoff
No, there's no guarantee at all.
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Colin Cowherd
If I could give you two fours. You let me ask you, you have the first pick of the second round and I have the fourth on the Raiders fourth.
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John Middlekoff
I think it's the Jets.
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Colin Cowherd
Jets. You're the Jets, I'm the Raiders and I call and say I'll give you two fours if you move down five spots, would you?
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John Middlekoff
Well, me personally, by the time the fourth round comes I start taking naps. But if I'm the Jets GM and pretty desperate that that I that's it's kind of a sweet spot right there at 33 because you kind of control. It's like the first overall pick on the second day. You can get some star players there. I fourth rounders. The draft's not as deep anymore. With nil not as enticing as it used to be. The NIL thing, the amount of guys that go back that used to litter pick 50 to 150, you know, the, the draft's a little different than it used to be. It's not ne. Listen, it's.
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Colin Cowherd
You can tell, John. You can tell by teams giving away a first and a third and a fifth for Jalen Waddle. You can tell, they're telling you, years ago, Rudy Gobert got nine picks. Nobody, even if they could, would give up nine picks now. Unless it was like Aunt Edwards. You can tell the GMs in the NBA are telling you the drafts are better. And you, the NFL GMs are telling you the drafts are worse. And part of it's because, you know, fewer kids are playing high school football. There's not as much depth. The nil keeps guys in, but the NFL GMs are telling you that we're seeing teams now spend a lot of money in free agency and, you know, just give away good picks. That's a tell. I agree, John Middlekoff, with the news.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, J. Mac is back next week. John, give us a, give us a 30 second thumbnail masters update.
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John Middlekoff
Well, Freddie Couples hit it on the head yesterday. Rory might just win like five in a row now. I, you know, he's, he's loose. He's currently leading. I, I don't want to say Tiger quite yet, but what if he just starts rattling these things off?
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Colin Cowherd
He kind of, he's minus eight right now.
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John Middlekoff
Yeah, it's part of it. Last year was the pressure. The kind of, the elephant in the room was he would always choke. Now it's like I got. He said yesterday, I'm gonna put on my green jacket. I'm gonna go have a cocktail in my locker.
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