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Jason McIntyre
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Rich Eisen
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Bob Chesney
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio back
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Rachel Nichols
here on the Herd. Got UCLA new football coach Bob Chesney stopping by in a minute to talk about how he's changing the culture with the Bruins. Chesney, of course, was at JMU before ucla, and I know JMU very well having graduated from there. Our football program, it was okay, one double A back in the day. Now we're legit and Chesney took us to the College Football Playoff. We did cover the spread, very important to some. Against Oregon in the playoff on the road, that was a wacky fourth quarter, if you guys remember. Listen, this is shaping up as a monster college football season in the Big Ten. I mean, we just talked to Jeremiah Smith from Ohio State. We know Buckeyes are going to be good. Michigan's going to bounce back. They've had a lot of turmoil. If you followed the former head coach who was, well, we'll just move on from that. Michigan will bounce back and UCLA appears to be on the rise significantly. Their recruiting efforts have been massive. So let's bring in Bob Chesney, new UCLA's new head football coach, live from Big Ten media days. Bob, how are you, man? Thanks so much for joining the show. Very excited. How's your first Big Ten media day going there?
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Bob Chesney
It's going good, man. It is a car wash for sure. Everywhere you turn there's another interview, which is which is pretty awesome. And just getting a chance to see all these coaches in action and meet all the people and see a lot of the media, it's been really great.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah. I was just looking at the depth chart. It looks like maybe 15 new transfer starters. I don't know if that's the exact number, but it's going to be a new culture. Talk about building that at UCLA.
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Bob Chesney
Yeah, there's. Right now we ended up with 63 new guys on this team. 45 of them are transfers. So it is really that. It's. We really want to try to find guys that have played meaningful snaps. We want to find guys that have come from good cultures, want to find guys that can add to our culture and continue to grow on a day to day basis. And that's what, you know, we feel like we found with these guys. So, you know, they bring energy to it every day. They love playing this game and they don't have to go to work, they get to go to work and that's a really important part of us being able to turn this thing the right way.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah. So I, I'm a JMU graduate, so I was following you last season. Incredible run to the playoff. Outstanding. How big of a leap is it going from. Hey, listen, Harrisonburg, Virginia is a lovely place, but it ain't Westwood. Just talk about that leap and bringing a bunch of players to the West Coast.
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Bob Chesney
Yeah. So obviously there's a big difference between Harrisonburg and Los Angeles, as you know. And I loved my Harrisonburg and I think that the people that live there are very proud of it and proud of that football team and rightfully so. You know, it's just a team that continues to win at every level. And I've been really, again, proud to be associated with that, you know, that university. But we did, we ended up bringing 10 players with us and those 10 that we brought with us I think are all guys that can contribute. Obviously the stakes are a little higher here. The coaching, you know, the players, the stadiums that we're going to play in, just go through all the things. The area is a lot thinner, thinner at this current level, you know, where we're at. But I do think a lot of the same, you know, formula that came into what we were able to do, not only at jmu, but previous places, the fundamentals and those standards all still travel.
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Rachel Nichols
I'm sure recruiting is a lot more fun. I know you guys are crushing it on the recruiting trail. My guy, Vic, who I know know pretty well, he's killing it. I mean, talk about like just recruiting at UCLA versus what you experienced back at, at jmu.
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Bob Chesney
Yeah, well, very different. Obviously. I think that idea of being on the west coast and you know, when we bring our, a lot of guys out, we brought them out in January, so a little bit different weather than what they might have been going through on the east coast and had an opportunity to, to just see the Benefits of that. But you know, just to me, I had to get out here, I had to meet a lot of these coaches. I had to be able to start to get a footprint going. Obviously the amount of time I spent with a lot of these west coast coach, west coast coaches is not been, you know, magnificent over my past bunch of years. But at the same point in time it's not about the, the quantity, it's about the quality. And I think we've opened our doors. We had 180 of them come to a free coaches clinic. A ton have been at practices, sat in our meeting rooms. Those are all things we got to do as far as, you know, establishing this footprint and making sure that we're. Our time spent with them is extreme quality.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah. Now we saw Kurt Signetti in Indiana make an incredible run here over the last two years and instantly people are like, listen, this is how quickly it can be done. In the new Nil era. You can turn programs around quickly. I mean, you don't want to put too much of a burden on you guys at ucla, but I don't know, it seems like you guys are ranked about 13th in the preseason poll. Obviously you can use that as motivation. What's a realistic goal for the squad this year?
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Bob Chesney
Yeah, I'm sure most coaches say the same thing. But for us, whatever our goals are, we have to have our standards that match them. And our goals necessarily aren't public, but our standards are things that we have to live on a day to day basis. But I don't want to put any, you know, artificial ceilings on what we can accomplish and limit ourself in any way. But I also don't want to hide behind the fact of, hey, this is a year where we're rebuilding and accepting less is is what we're going to do. That's not the facts either. We got to be able to go out here and play the brand of football that needs to be played in this league on a day to day basis and just continually truly evaluate ourselves honestly and grow every moment we can. That's ultimately what this journey is about.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah, very well spoken coach. I want to ask about the quarterback situation. You got two brothers there who are really awesome. I hear a lot of buzz about Madden. Obviously, Nico, NFL prospect. Talk about the situation at quarterback right now and how optimistic you are.
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Bob Chesney
Yeah, well, obviously it all goes through that quarterback position. As we all know, you watch games, when teams go back and forth, it's usually the quarterback making some pretty heroic plays and you have to be able to do that, you got to play the game that's being played at that moment, whether it's tempo and you got to speed up or you're down and you got to do. But you got to play each play individually throughout that. And I think both of those guys embody that. They're very talented, as you know. You know, they had illustrious high school careers, and they are in a position right now to lead a team and be sharing a room together, which is pretty rare. About, you know, 20 minutes away from where they grew up. That's a special moment, and I think that's one of the things that I'm excited to just watch what they're capable of and make sure we put them in positions for strengths to be highlighted and weaknesses to be avoided.
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Rachel Nichols
So, Bob, when I moved my family across the country here and that, that was tough, man. Just moving across the country, setting up shop, you know, transitioning to FS1. I can't imagine what you're going through, you know, coming across the country, coaching UCLA and now in the recruiting environment and NIL era. Can you just talk about how rapid of the last six months it's been for you? Just a whirlwind.
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Bob Chesney
Yeah. I mean, it's been just that. And you. I think you hit the nail on the head with the majority of it. It's not one of those moments where you just come over here and say, hey, this is all we got to do. There's things to be done in every single department that touches this program and in every single person that touches this program. So that's really important. But again, I think probably the work's the work, and we all understand that as coaches. I'm just proud of my family and the way they were able to handle it. Our kids came over here from Harrisonburg with, I think, two months of school left. So we're able to walk away from all their friends and just come over and integrate themselves into a new system across the country and meet new friends. And I'm just really proud of the maturity and the way that they made this transition for me a lot easier than if it would have went a different way. And they weren't happy and didn't see the value in it. And I'm just really proud of what my family's becoming as well.
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Rachel Nichols
I gotta ask Bob about the nil. A lot of people are complaining. We gotta rein this in. It's out of control. I don't know, it almost seems like, hey, this is the hand we're dealt. Shouldn't we just deal with it. Guys, let's stop complaining and get to work. Where do you stand on nil? Are you one of these, like, hey, well, you got to tighten it up here. This is out of control.
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Bob Chesney
Yeah, I mean, I do think there's an element to tighten it up. I don't think we want to see ourselves in moments where there's 75 or $100 million rosters out there. I think that that's really becomes the haves and haves and have nots and the playing field gets skewed quite. It's already there, but it could get skewed even a little bit more. But to me, what are we doing? You got to make a decision and you either are competing or you're complaining. And I just will not allow our guys to go through, you know, a day where they're complaining. So the alternative is competing. So whatever the rules are that we got to play by, we got to play by them. And whatever we got to do, whatever work we got to put in to make sure that we're one of the teams that's more funded. And that, you know, fortunate part is I think we have the third or fourth highest alumni base in the entire country. We're located in a pretty cool area, and on top of it, it's a, you know, the number one public school in the country. Six or seven out of the last eight years. There's a lot in here that I think we could all be really, really proud of. To me, I think it comes down to football right now. We have to be able to take these next steps. I said it before, but we won three national championships here in, in our athletic department, we won seven conference championships, more than any other department in the country. We're one good football team away from being the most dominant athletic department in the entire world. And I think that's really important for all of us to understand and understand just how heavy that that crown is to wear as a football program. And we got to tackle work on a day to day basis like it.
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Rachel Nichols
So, Bob, you talked about how, how fertile the recruiting ground is out here. Have you had a taste yet of what it's like battling the other school across town, usc, for recruits and the rivalry and what it means. Have you gotten any sense of that? I know it's tough because you haven't coached a game yet.
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Bob Chesney
Yeah, no, I think as far as, like the recruiting, they do an unbelievable job, you know, and obviously they're funded very, very well. So, you know, it's hard to really you know, beat them at this moment just because they have a little bit more than you do. But at the same point in time, you know, we got to get this place right and we got to get it to a point where we can compete with anybody at any time. And we will do that. So I'm excited about it. I think. I don't worry about any other teams. We have enough things we got to do on a day to day basis and get better at on a day to day basis that, you know, to worry about anybody else doesn't make any sense. So we just got to continue to grow, honestly evaluate ourselves and figure out what we got to do to be better.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah, Bob, I want to wrap up the. A lot of chatter this week about the 24 team playoff. We're just making leaps. 24 team playoff. I have no problem with it. I like competitive football games, you know, but some other people, you know, some other leagues maybe are not as big of fans. Have you given any thought to this or you want to weigh in on it?
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Bob Chesney
Well, this is how I lived my life, you know, growing up, obviously in the D3, D2, FCS world. It was that, you know, you were in the tournament, so you're who you scheduled, who you played, not necessarily, you know, how many losses you had, but who you lost to and by what margin is what it came down to. And if your strength of schedule wasn't good, you weren't getting in the playoffs. Like that all mattered a lot. So we were constantly playing up, you know, wherever we were at, and we were constantly trying to find the best, like, schools to be able to, you know, boost our, you know, our record at the end and our strength of schedule. And I think that's what we all got to consider and think about at this level. 24, to me, I don't know. I don't. I don't really have a strong opinion about it. I think whatever the rules are, we'll play by. But when you look through it, I think basketball's at 70% of their teams make the playoffs. I think almost every other sport is close to 45 or above. As far as how many teams make the playoffs, we're at 8% right now that have a chance to make the playoffs. Eight percent like that to me, is just a little bit different. Now, how long is the season? What are we doing with the championship game? How much wear and tear on the players is this? You know, what are the ramifications of losing the bowl system for, you know, those towns and those people like, but there's a lot, there's, with every action, there's a equal and opposite, you know, reaction multiple times over. So I think that's where, you know, someone's going to have to come up with these rules and figure out what the best path forward is. But I don't see an issue with, you know, letting more teams in. But at the same point in time, I get it. If not, we just made it, you know, at a, at a group of five school, we just made it. So, you know, whatever the rules are, we'll play by them and we'll do our best to get.
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Rachel Nichols
I love it, Bob. Great stuff. Thanks a lot. And you know, continued success in your college football endeavors. I'll see you again this season.
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Bob Chesney
All right, man. I appreciate it a lot. Thank you.
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Rachel Nichols
Bob Chesney, first year coach at ucla. Really good stuff. I like it. Listen, he's got some numbers, spitting numbers on the College Football Playoff expansion. That's great. Coming up next, we'll go, we'll do Rachel with the news. And also there is another college football coach talking at Big Ten Media days. We'll dive into that.
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Rich Eisen
Be sure to catch live editions of
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Rachel Nichols
the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am
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Bob Chesney
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Rich Eisen
Hey, hey. We're Covino and Rich, FOX Sports radio
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Rachel Nichols
every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern.
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Rich Eisen
But here's the thing.
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Bob Chesney
We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to.
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Rich Eisen
And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly, because this guy is over promising things we never have time for.
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Bob Chesney
Yeah, you blubberlips.
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Rachel Nichols
Blaming me.
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Bob Chesney
Well, you know what?
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Rachel Nichols
It's called Over Promise.
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Rich Eisen
You should be good at it because you've been overpromising women for years. Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're going to be talking sports, of course, but we're also going to talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised. Well, if you don't get enough, Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promise. And also uncensored, by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder.
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Rachel Nichols
It's going to be the best after
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Rich Eisen
show podcast of all time.
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Jason McIntyre
There you go.
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Rich Eisen
Over Promising. And remember, you could see it on YouTube, but definitely join Us Listen to Over Promised with Covino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Now more than ever, Americans need a laugh. Enter the Super Troopers to the rescue. Vermont's finest and most shockingly offensive mustachioed highway patrol officers return to the big screen in Super Troopers 3. More pullover pranks, More over the top shenanigans than ever. The latest installment of the cult comedy classic Rod Farva is the wildly over the top Indian engagement to Thorny sister spirals out of control debauchery, bachelor parties, a wedding that Thorny's desperate to stop, and a dangerous drug smuggling ring all threaten the troops. Friendship and future. Fill your liter of cola, grab your buds and roll up to the multiplex for Super Troopers 3. Only in theaters August 7th. Get tickets? Meow. For any small business owner, there's a moment when you realize the next hire could be the difference between staying busy and actually growing. The challenge is finding the right person without wasting time sorting through candidates who aren't the right fit. That's where Indeed Sponsored Jobs comes in, where a workplace chaos hits and you need somebody who can step in and make a difference. This is a job for Sponsored Jobs. It helps you put job in front of candidates who match the criteria that matter most to you, whether it's skills, experience, certifications or location. And you're certainly not alone in using Indeed. Join the 3.3 million employers worldwide that use Indeed to connect with quality talent that fits their needs. That's millions of businesses turning to Indeed to help solve hiring challenges and find people who can drive results. Spend less time searching, more time actually interviewing candidates who check all the boxes. Less stress, less time, more results. Get your 75 doll sponsored job credit today@ Indeed.com podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Hiring now then, this is a job for Indeed Sponsored Jobs plans can be a maybe for people with chronic migraine 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting four hours or more. Botox Onobotulinum toxin a prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. It's not for those with 14 or fewer headache days a month. It prevents on average eight to nine headache days a month versus six to seven for placebo. Prescription Botox is injected by your doctor. Botox effects may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. Alert your doctor right away as trouble swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems or muscle weakness can be signs of a life threatening condition. Those with these conditions before injection are at highest risk. Side effects may include Allergic reactions like rash, breathing problems, dizziness, neck and injection site pain and headache. Don't receive Botox if there's a skin infection. Tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions like als, myasthenia gravis or Lambert Eaton syndrome, and medicines like botulinum toxins, which may increase the risk of serious side effects. Make a plan and ask your doctor about Botox. Visit botoxchronicmigraine.com or call 1-844botox this episode brought to you by Verizon Business. When we watch the World cup, we focus on the stars, the players, the coaches, the matches. But here's what's fascinating. What does it take to make an event this big actually work? The World cup from FIFA isn't just the biggest ever. It's also the most technologically complex. 104 matches, 16 stadiums, 3 countries. Think about that. That's not just a sporting event. That's one of the biggest logistical and technological challenges in the world. And with billions of people watching, there's no room for error. But for Verizon business, that's another day. With private 5G networks in every stadium, more than 80,000 miles of fiber, end to end security, Verizon business is powering FIFA's World Cup. If Verizon business can do that, imagine what they can do for your business. Visit verizon.com powering FIFA World cup now to learn more.
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Rachel Nichols
Oh, we're going to go to Herdline News. All right, let's go to Herdline right now with Rachel.
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Bob Chesney
No, no, no.
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Rich Eisen
Turn on the news.
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Rachel Nichols
This is the Herdline news.
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Jason McIntyre
Very impressive. Impressive talker, right? I mean, he just, he just comes across really well. Remember when across town over here at usc, Lincoln Riley was the new hot college football coach. Good first season for him at USC 2022. Riley led the Trojans to an 113 record. Caleb Williams won the Heisman. Those were the days, Jason. But in the three years since, Riley has gone 24 and 15, which means there is a lot of talk about how this is a little bit of a put up or shut up year for him at usc. Top ranked recruiting class in the country. Quarterbacks coming back, they have a really tough schedule. It's ranked one of the toughest schedules in the country. Do you think if they don't make the playoffs this year because he's never made the playoffs here at usc, that he's on the hot seat?
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Rachel Nichols
Ooh, ooh, ooh. I guess I would counter a question with a question. What's his buyout after the season.
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Jason McIntyre
Honestly, that's like the talking point that even matter anymore.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Listen, you're not kidding. That schedule is tough.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Rachel Nichols
Oregon is a national title contender. We know Ohio State is. I don't think that UCLA game is going to be a layup.
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Jason McIntyre
No.
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Rachel Nichols
Penn State has a new coach and I believe, yeah, Washington's not going to be bad. I like some of the things they do. What's he going to take? 9? Does he need to win 9 out of 12? Is that going to do it? Probably.
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Jason McIntyre
I mean, you know, the sort of upside version of the schedule is 10 wins. The downside is eight, so maybe not.
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Rachel Nichols
I forgot Indiana, the defending Indiana's on there. Come on, man, you can't just go to building. Can't go to Bloomington and win.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Rachel Nichols
Holy cow. So you think he's gotta win 10 schedule?
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Jason McIntyre
You know, I don't know. Obviously it probably depends on the way they lose games that they lose or the way they win games that they win. But I know that when you pay, you want what you pay for. Right. You don't have the top ranked recruiting class because the boosters haven't shelled out money. So those are the people that control sort of the noise and the athletic departments over whether you get fired or not. And, and these people have paid for a very good recruiting class. I think there's going to be. I think that that seat's going to be pretty warm.
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Rachel Nichols
I mean they should go four and. Oh, right to start. Those are. They'll be favored by double figures and all those. And then the Oregon game, hosting Oregon, I don't want to say it's a swing game, but if you could show up in that game and not get blasted by Dante Moore and company, it's fine. Right? But that Oregon, Washington, Penn State, then they get a buy before like the second half of the season, which is Ohio State and Indiana.
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Jason McIntyre
I mean the early line is that they should be favored in nine of those games. Okay. So they should quote, quote, win nine. I don't know.
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Rachel Nichols
That's what. There's no mess ups, you know, like no accidental losses, kicker blows a game or something.
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Jason McIntyre
Nobody wants the expansion of the College Football Playoff more than usc.
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Rachel Nichols
Listen, did you hear the numbers that Chesney said?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Rachel Nichols
I mean 80% of college, or was it 70 or 80% of college basketball team make the NCAA tournament and in. I don't know where he got that from.
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Jason McIntyre
Is it 8%, 8% for football? Yeah. But you know, it's a different Game. Obviously you can play two basketball games in one, three or four day period on the weekend. You can't do that in college football. So by definition, unless you want the playoff to last three months, you need to have fewer teams. That's just math, Jason.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah, well, I don't know. I mean aren't they already playing the natty in like January 23rd?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, well that's what I mean. You can't. How much further, how much further are we going here with college football season?
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Rachel Nichols
May maybe you don't take three weeks after the conference championships. Maybe some guys get buys. I don't know. There's a lot of highly paid college football people.
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Jason McIntyre
Yes.
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Rachel Nichols
Hey, do your jobs guys. Figure it out. Get us 2014.
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Jason McIntyre
We will see what happens here in LA setting up for a good college football season. Let's go back to the NBA because we have some new reporting to talk about. Steph Curry and the Warriors. A lot of talk for the last few days, Jason, about the back end of Steph's career, how the warriors are handling it. New report from the ringer said that the warriors could have brought Jaylen Brown to Golden State but the front office decided Brown was not, quote, the right player to carry the warriors beyond the Curry era. Jason, if I am Steph beyond the Curry era, what about during the Curry era? During the Curry era Jaylen Brown could have helped. And yes, at the trade deadline the cost for Jaylen Brown was really high. But clearly it wasn't that high when they got rid of him this summer because we saw what Philadelphia paid for. So certainly Golden State had the resources to bring Jaylen Brown to play on the Warriors. They decided not to do it because he might not be the right guy to give an extension to beyond the Curry era. And if I'm Steph Curry, I am asking about these kinds of things when I meet with them. And he will have that opportunity coming up because he is eligible for a two year extension at the end of August. So they are going to start talking about that extension. Sham's reporting that they are both amenable to an extension. They're both looking to work something out. But I don't know what assurances would you need if you were Steph Curry to sign that extension?
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Rachel Nichols
Well, I mean the big problem, Rachel, is you go back and you don't want to revisit history. But they screwed up Wiseman and they messed up Kaminga because they were trying this two timelines thing. What about one time?
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, but, but, but yes, definitely. Teams make misses on Draft picks, those were misses. And the way they tried to develop them were misses. I'm not gonna say you have to have 100% right? But I think that especially if you screwed that part up, you have to put your money down for this part. Like the idea. And yes, they went out and got Jimmy Butler and that's great. And they spent money on him, but he got hurt. And by the way, he was a player on the older end of his career who had a significant injury history, so. So him getting hurt wasn't some big fluky shock thing. So now you are looking at a contract with his contract, Jimmy Butler's contract, that is tradable because there are teams that would take that contract and just let it fall out and not extend him and then have that money to pay someone else. Jaylen Brown's contract is huge. You could have swapped those contracts. I just. If I'm Steph Curry, I am not signing that extension until I know what they plan to do for these next two years. Because if they're just planning for the era after me, as much as I know Steph would like to stay with the warriors, and there's an argument, hey, he won four championships there. So, like, even if nothing else happens, that's enough. He will obviously get to retire a Warrior if he stays, all of that stuff. But I don't know, man. I watched him in the Olympics. He's the reason Team USA won. He can still play great basketball. I wouldn't want to just sit around and play out the string if I were him.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah. Let me ask. So the Jaylen Brown trade talk thing, Butler was still healthy at the time, right?
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Jason McIntyre
The trade deadline? I'm not sure. He got injured in February. I'm not sure.
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Rachel Nichols
Okay. I'm just curious. Would the Celtics rather have Jimmy Butler's expiring, Right. Or Paul George?
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Jason McIntyre
According to what Brad Stevens said in the press conference after the Jaylen Brown trade, He was talking about the amount of money being tied up in all these contracts and how. How difficult that was. I wonder if they would have had rather had the expiring contract because he was saying you can't have two players taking up 70% of your cap, which was the situation with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum. Jaylen Brown's contract's three more years. Paul George's is two more years. So you're still going to have two more years of two guys taking up 70% of your cap. One would be better. I just again worrying about the post Curry era, and this is the Second time in three days we've had a report of Joe Lacop, the owner, worrying about the post Curry era. I talked about on the show yesterday, we saw Dan Gilbert obsessed with this. The last time LeBron was in Cleveland, guess what meant he didn't put enough into the end of LeBron's last year or two in Cleveland. And LeBron left because he wasn't playing with a team that could have kept him in championship contention. Steph Curry doesn't want to leave Golden State. He is looking to sign this extension, but you gotta give him a row reason to sign it. He's basically been spitting in this guy's face.
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Rachel Nichols
It almost sounds like La Gilbert. They're thinking of this as a business boy. Chase center is going to be pretty damn empty when Curry leaves and we got no stars.
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Jason McIntyre
Especially if you haven't taken care of Steph on the way out. Fan base is. I'm. I'm not alone here. The fan base feels exactly like I feel. And if they feel that you have messed up the end of Steph Curry, the guy who got you that arena, who got you all this money, who got you all those types of. They're not going to be sticking around for the bad team afterward. If they feel like the reason why they have a bad team in the few years after Steph Curry's there and they're in a rebuilding phase is because you gave it all for Steph Curry, they're going to show up for that plucky young team. I don't know, man. This feels like an easy, easy thing to execute and just an own goal to keep messing up.
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Rachel Nichols
Remember the final Jordan year, how they basically set it up so that, hey, we're moving on from everybody, we're getting Scottie Pippen out of town and we're just rebooting. They have not recovered. No, I mean, Derrick Rose kind of recovered them a little bit, but then he got hurt. So if memory serves, no finals trips for the Bulls since then.
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Jason McIntyre
Correct.
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Rachel Nichols
I think they got to a conference finals with Derrick Rose, the one against the Heatles, and LeBron just smoked him.
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Jason McIntyre
Why are you getting rid of Michael Jordan? Why? That was the beginning of my career was covering that team. Why?
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Rachel Nichols
Well, these owners, these rich guys want to try to.
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Jason McIntyre
It's not in their best. Aren't they supposed to be selfish, though? This is not in your best interest. That's what I don't understand is this is not in your best interest. Billionaires act selfishly all the time. Do that now. Okay. In your best interest. Is to give Steph Curry the end he deserves. I promise you the end after that. The post Curry era will be better if you do this now, even if you don't have resources. Because guess what you have now. Steph Curry. There you go. All right, let's get back to football. We were talking about the Cowboys earlier in the show. As we all expected, Micah Parsons came over from the Cowboys. Now with the packers going to be on the the pup list as he continues to recover from that ACL tear. But why am I bringing up the Cowboys when I talk about Micah Jason? Because according to a report from the athletic, if Parsons rehab continues to go smoothly, guess when he might come back. Week six versus the boys and Dallas. How great would that game give you? Sunday night game. Dallas could be massive. It's been a mixed bag though of guys coming back from acls. And that would be be sort of the quicker timeline that week six against Dallas. So what do you expect from Micah? If we're pointing toward his return here, what do you expect when he gets there?
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Rachel Nichols
I. I mean it's been a long time, right? I mean some of these I don't understand totally. Some of the recoveries from injuries like Daniel Jones coming off an Achilles, he's going to be back before Micah.
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Jason McIntyre
Really? I'm still. Brutal. Brutal.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah. But it's just Achilles is supposed to be the worst injury in sports pretty much. And the fact that he's going to be back. But Mike is waiting till week six and maybe they're being extra cautious.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, the packers have something called the nine month rule. The nine month rule is you can't even get on the field to practice until it's nine months after an ACL tear. So obviously that is a more conservative timeline than we have seen with some teams guys trying to come back. But look, the reason they have that rule is because it's been a mixed bag. You know, it used to be an ACL was a career ender, right? I mean that was just it. And we have seen guys now and medicine is advanced and rehab is advanced, but it's still been a mixed bag. You look at Joe Burrow, right? Came back clean from his ACL. That was 2020. Still looks great out there. Saquon Barkley had the ACL. He looks great again out there. But you guys got Von Miller, Stefan Diggs, Rasheed Rice. These have not been as successful in the returns. Our research department gave me a whole list here. It's really this, you know, it's up and down. So I don't know who we're going to get. I mean, I bet on Micah Parsons because you got to bet on Micah Parsons, right?
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah.
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Bob Chesney
I don't know.
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Jason McIntyre
I'd like to see that Week six game, though.
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Rachel Nichols
Rachel with the news.
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Rich Eisen
Well, that's the news.
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Bob Chesney
And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news.
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Rachel Nichols
All right. Coming up, Jerry Jones will do a little Fernando Mendoza. Not starting a lot of fun NFL talk. That's next year on the Herd.
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Rich Eisen
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Rachel Nichols
What a whirlwind Wednesday. Oh, I like that. I mean Rachel and I have gotten so lucky. The LeBron stuff broke. Now we got Big Ten media days and and we have a quarterback decision officially made. The Raiders are starting Kirk Cousins. We feel the excitement. We had James Palmer on from Bleacher Report earlier. Here were his thoughts on Cousins vs Mendoza.
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Rich Eisen
Kirk Cousins could teach this offense.
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Bob Chesney
He could coach this offense.
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Rich Eisen
And I think what Fernando needs to learn very early on is yes, I'm more talented, I'm more physically gifted than Kirk. I want to learn how to be teams with my mind in this offense. And that's what Kirk does. And I think that's the way this entire group, from Tom Brady to Clint Kubiak has always thought of how it works with quarterbacks. But if he goes out there and, you know, absorbs everything, I mean, I do think he's mentally okay to go out there and play if he's hit early. That's one of the things that rattles quarterbacks. I don't think that will rattle Fernando Mendoza if he is put out there sooner than later.
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Rachel Nichols
Interesting. So you look around the league at the other potential quarterback showdowns. You've got the one that hasn't got off the ground yet in Atlanta with TUA versus I can't believe I'm forgetting to as opponent Michael Penix, the incumbent. You've got this Raiders one which seems settled. You've got Kyler Murray versus J.J. mcCarthy in Minnesota. And then I think that's pretty much it. I would like to say Geno Smith versus Kate Clubnik in New York for the jets, but it looks like Geno's definitely going to be the guy. Although Klubnick has shown well, according to some reporters that are putting stuff out there. I just can't get behind Cousins as the starter. I think it's pointless. Serves nobody any purpose. Obviously, many people disagree. Rachel, we had guests on who disagree, so others do agree. And the thing I keep coming back to is this Patriots disaster with Drake May. Like they decided Jacoby Brissette should be the starter, not Drake May. Then May comes in after four games. He clearly was ready. He was clearly the better quarterback than Jacoby Brissette and he was. He wasn't great. But nobody's going to be great right out of the gate, right? And then in year two, because he got a ton of action in year one, boom. They go right to the Super Bowl. And I just, I don't understand holding Mendoza back now again, if he goes into preseason games and he's vomiting all over himself, he doesn't know what he's doing. That's another story. But there's zero signs of that. But it sounds like, I don't know. Can we go to the audio real quick of Kubiak proclaiming that Cousins is going to be the starter? Because this wasn't like a. Hey, it was a competition and Cousins won out. Just listen to the verbiage from Kubiak.
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Rich Eisen
For every position, there's got to be competition, right?
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Rachel Nichols
The best player has to play.
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Rich Eisen
And that's not just what I'm going to see.
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Rachel Nichols
You guys are going to see it
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Rich Eisen
in the preseason games. You know, we as coaches, we're going
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Rachel Nichols
to see who's the best guard is.
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Rich Eisen
Okay, Best quarterback across the board.
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Rachel Nichols
There's battles everywhere on the roster.
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Rich Eisen
So it's important for me to be fair to the players is to put the best player out there.
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Rachel Nichols
When we go out to practice tomorrow,
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Rich Eisen
Kirk Cousins is the starting quarterback.
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Bob Chesney
He's the guy and he's going to
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Rich Eisen
get a ton of reps and he deserves them because he's played really good football. But I want Fernando and I want
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Rachel Nichols
Aiden to push him. Don't love that. We also have great sound. Listen, this is that time of the season. Camps are open. Coaches, largely coaches. Sometimes you get insufferable owners who are like, I gotta get in front of the microphone. Here's Jesse Minter. This is interesting. So Jesse mentor and the Ravens have the highest win total in the league according to Vegas. Vegas, right. New head coach, first time OC play caller, Jesse Minter. Really sharp defensive mind. He took to the podium today to defend his guy, Lamar Jackson. And listen, when you, when you inherit a team that's a two time mvp still in his prime, you could say stuff like this. Lamar is incredible.
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Rich Eisen
Again, best player in the league.
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Rachel Nichols
When he's out there and he's, you
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Rich Eisen
know, obviously really engaged like he is,
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Bob Chesney
he makes everybody on the field better.
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Rich Eisen
So he makes the offense better, he
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Rachel Nichols
makes the defense better. For having to defend that type of player.
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Rich Eisen
All he's got to do is be himself.
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Rachel Nichols
That's, that's what he's proven that he
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Bob Chesney
is over the course of time.
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Rich Eisen
I do think sometimes when you know
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Rachel Nichols
you're trying to learn new things, like it really energizes you because you know that there's like a requirement to get where you want to get between now and the game. So I just appreciate the way he's
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Bob Chesney
gone about, about his business.
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Rachel Nichols
I will say I, I've never been a huge Ravens fan. Just haven't. My, my brother lives in the area, goes to a lot of Ravens games. His boys, they're big Ravens fans and so when I'm not glowing about them, I hear it from my brother and so I don't. Something tells me this team's going to be really freaking good this year. I don't, I don't know. Rookie head coach, he's never, never been a head coach, first time play caller and something tells me this is going to work. It's weird though, you heard him say that Lamar is the best player in the league and it's just so tough to say that in the NFL there's so many players first of all. But like in the NBA, if you say the best player in the league. You could have a credible argument. The best player touches the ball on every possession. Pretty much. He is the fulcrum of the offense, plays at both ends, heavy minutes, you know, like Jokic, best player in the league. I could argue Luka. I could argue sgf.
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Rich Eisen
Okay.
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Rachel Nichols
It's a real argument. I don't know that Lamar is the best player in the league. What does that mean, best player? Like best talent? Well, I don't know. Miles Garrett cannot be blocked by anybody and just broke a record that the league has had for a long time. In terms of sacks, like, Miles Garrett might be the best player, but if it's most valuable, I think that's where the quarterback comes into play. They're the most valuable to the point spread. Is Lamar the best player in the league? I would. I would say no. I think Josh Allen's probably a better quarterback than Lamar, even though he doesn't have two MVPs. Because Josh Allen, you know, mostly has been healthy. Patrick Mahomes obviously has has an argument for best player in the league, but it's just a weird title to give someone when in the NFL the offense is only on the field for a certain amount of time. The defense is on for a certain amount. Special teams is on. Like, I don't think Lamar is the best player in the league. And that's why this list, you heard Mark slow it yesterday or two days ago. Really go after that list. The NFL top 100. It is a little goofy and silly. Lamar went from 2nd to 69th in the span of one calendar year. That. That. That is silly. So I do like Jesse Minter hyping up his guy, and I don't know, I'm inching closer to Ravens and the conference championship and probably going to the Super Bowl. I have promised you Super Bowl Friday in German. That's Freitag, I believe, because I did German one year in high school. We'll see you tomorrow.
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Rich Eisen
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Bob Chesney
Thirty years ago, an island off Manhattan almost brought down New York City.
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Rachel Nichols
Who will you trust? Your friends and neighbors?
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Rich Eisen
Who will you trust? The people five miles overseas.
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Bob Chesney
This is a story about neighbors turning on each other and what happens when a forgotten place decides it's had enough.
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Rich Eisen
But we're not stopping, are we?
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Bob Chesney
Listen to revisionist history. The Staten island problem on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Rich Eisen
Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast here's the Thing, I talked to composer Marc Shaiman.
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Bob Chesney
It's about the hang. It's the pleasure of hanging out with the people that you're with. You know, Rob and I was always a great hang.
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Rich Eisen
And director Morgan Neville.
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Bob Chesney
Film school teaches you all the wrong things about making documentary.
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Rachel Nichols
What do you want to say?
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Bob Chesney
Documentary is all about your ear. What do you hear? I feel like my job is listening really, really hard.
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Jason McIntyre
Listen to here's the thing on the
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Rich Eisen
iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jason McIntyre
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.