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THE HERD - Hour 3 - Super Bowl Champion Sam Darnold stops by The Herd
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Colin Cowherd
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Kyle Van Noy
Now let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio and it is also NFL combine week and somebody who turns 35 in a month, he was at that combine about, probably about 14, 15 years ago. He's a two time Super bowl champ. 12 year NFL veteran Kyle Van Noy is joining us. He is live in Los Angeles and we appreciate him stopping by. So let's, let's start with this. Good to see you again. Let's go to your combine experience. Now it's changed. Everybody now says, well, it's the underwear Olympics, but it is a chance to see guys in person. You know, the Senior bowl, the combine, you got to see guys in person. Go back to your experience. Was it valuable to go to the combine?
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Kyle Van Noy
I believe back in the day it was valuable to go to the combine. It did feel a little bit of the meat market still style, you know, you go up way in all that's a joke. But in the in person interviews, right, you're getting to know the team. The team is getting know you. You get to sell your talents. If a team asks you are you the best linebacker in the NFL, you get to say yes. Xyz here's why, here's why I'm the best. Here's why I'm better than this player. I'm better than this player. I remember Chip Kelly, who didn't really recruit me in college or high school. He ended up recruiting my best friend at the time. And I walked in the meeting and I sat down and I said, don't make the same mistake again. Before we even started the meeting, he started laughing. I was like, you made the mistake of picking a high school friend of mine, but you never picked me. Don't make the same mistake again. Well, he ended up picking a gentleman Smith out of Louisville, played rusher, ended up, obviously Chip Kelly didn't, you know, work out. Ended up seeing him when he was at practice with New England. I was like, you made the same mistake again. But it's just a way to get to know teams better, teams that get to know you. I also think it's really good for teams medically. You know, as a player you can go in if you're very, if you've been a very, very healthy player in college, you're able to showcase that. That is a bonus for players for teams they get to know a player. Medical. That's why you saw Caleb Williams like, nah, you ain't going to be able to poke and prod me and all that. So I understand it. But I do think it's a way for players to understand other teams, how they operate a little bit. Teams get to know them. I think out of everything, that's the best that comes out of the combine.
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Colin Cowherd
So you've played 35 years old in a month. You played for five different organizations. You have delivered in Baltimore and New England, the Chargers, Miami, Detroit.
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Kyle Van Noy
I didn't really deliver in Detroit, Colin. We can keep it real with that one. But I did get drafted there.
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Colin Cowherd
Can you. If you were talking to 22 year old, you going to the combine with all your vast experience, different owners, different GMs, different coaches, different coordinators, you've lived the NFL life, which, I mean, let's face it, at your position, guys don't last as long as you do.
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Kyle Van Noy
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
What would be the advice current Kyle Van Noy, who I'm talking to, would give rookie Kyle Van Noy on the journey of the NFL?
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Kyle Van Noy
Buckle up, strap in because you're in for a ride. Right? I really believe that's the advice that I would say. But if I was at the combine advice, I would tell that Kyle Vanoid, 22 years old sell your talents when the film is on, when the film is playing and they're going over the plays that you made in big games, I remember sitting with Rex Ryan, going over the coverages, going over my assignments, my teammates assignments, and he's looking like, damn, he knows his ball. Being able to sell your talents at that elite level to then put that and showcase it on the film where it gets to showcase your talents. I mean, there's nothing better than that. You want to always sell yourself in anything, any business, any person you're dealing with, you want to sell your talents. And what better way to do that in person with a gm, with the head coach, you're able to sell how great you are of a leader, how great you are as a teammate and how great you are as a player. I mean there's nothing better than that. And then in the NFL, once you get in, I think it's your ability to ability to adapt or die. Not every situation is going to be perfect, but you're going to have to adapt. I mean, I've been in the show now for 12 years and I've been able to adapt from the time that I've been able to get in the show to where I'm at now. I'm still adapting and I think that's why I've lasted so long and will continue to last If I want to continue to play, I would love to play one more. I still have enough juice. I think stats didn't go the way I wanted it last year, but if you watch the tape and you get me in front of a GM and a coach right now, I can showcase a lot of talents that I can say, hey, I still got it here. I was still double teamed at a higher rate than some of the premier pass rushers in the NFL. And so there's a, there's ways to be able to combat some of those stats. And I know everybody is stat driven right now, so I know I'm confident in my skills as a football player. I'm confident in my skills as a media person. Being on the show with you, Colin, we could go all day when you,
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Colin Cowherd
Kyle Van Noy joining us for our radio audience. John Harbaugh and I thought he was a great coach and I said be very careful when you let go of John Harbaugh because you may not find somebody as good as John Harbaugh. We had 10 coaching openings. Kevin Stefanski, Cleveland gets rid of him and I'm like, I think Kevin Stefanski, you're not going to find and equal on the market. In the end, were you shocked that John Harbaugh was let go or did you feel like, man, he's been there 18 years, it's the same voice. Did you feel he lost the team? Like, like your, your takeaway on the minute you heard John Harbaugh was no longer a Ravens head coach, what was your immediate reaction?
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Kyle Van Noy
That's such a good question because I feel like at first when it happened, I was a little shocked, but then when I processed it, I wasn't shocked. And then when I was really shocked was when he signed a huge $100 million contract right away with the Giants. Not saying that I didn't think he was going to be one of the top coaches. I would have thought maybe he wanted to take a little time off. Maybe he wanted to take a year off like some coaches have been doing to revamp. Hey, if there's a big coaching, you know, move that happens next year with one of the elite quarterbacks, he can jump into that. But I truly believe he, he picked the right spot for him and his family. New York, they're getting a CEO coach that's going to go in there and build that type of brand football what they were used to with Tom Coughlin. Hard nosed football team. They're going to run the ball, they're going to play defense. He has guys like Dexter Lawrence and Brian Burns in the trenches already. He has Cam Scatter Boo. I want him to get healthy, so we'll see how he reacts to it. But you have Jackson Dart at the helm on a rookie contract that helps out bringing in veteran leadership, you know, guys in free agency that you can spend a little bit more on to build that type of chemistry, build that type of organization that you want from the players. You can get some guys to rally. I mean, Tyler Linderbaum, he's in a free agency, you know, coming up. I know the Ravens are working through that, but he's one of the best. I think he's the best center in the league and he's going to have teams like the Chargers, who, they're Raiders, you know, the Raiders, he's a top tier guy. So if the Giants can bring in a guy like that who knows the Harbaugh system and can preach to the players what he's been preaching all these years in the Ravens and he's be able to establish that organization and build, you know, from the ground up, I really believe that they could be successful this season in that division.
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Colin Cowherd
When you know the number one pick is going to be Fernando Mendoza.
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Kyle Van Noy
You think, you think it's locked?
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Colin Cowherd
I think it's locked. I think, I think it's the most important position. I think he's a good kid. He's big, he's accurate. He went undefeated. I don't think he's John Elway or Marino, but I think he's a, I think he's Matt Ryan. Plus, he's a, he's a, he's a little bit thicker, a little stronger arm, maybe moves a little better than Matt Ryan, but I think he's kind of Matt Ryan. Plus, okay, people have said, you know, his, his personality and I don't know how much you've seen, you know, he's very, aw, shucks, very humble. And, and I, and I asked the other day, I asked Matt Hasselbeck, like, how does that play in the locker room? He's like super optimistic, kind of Mr. Rogers. And let me ask you, when a kid comes in like that, he's young, he's a college successful guy and it's not corny to me. I think he's just a humble, grateful kid with great parents. How does that personality play? Do you project in the NFL?
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Kyle Van Noy
You know, I think he said it when he did an interview talking about drinking with the boys. You know, I really do believe it starts with that he's going to get after it with the Linemen going out with them, drinking beers, getting to know them, establishing that relationship, that trust. I don't think it matters what religion, what you look like, whatever it is, as long as you can galvanize and come. It doesn't matter what angle you come from. If you're able to get across what you're need to get across and the guys can respect you. I mean, Drew Brees had an amazing interview the other day where he talked about gaining the trust of a guard who had been there 12 years in the NFL where he told the, the, the lineman coach to get the hell out of my huddle. And then that guy was like, I'll do anything for you. And I'm sure they were two different human beings. What, you know, whatever backgrounds they come at. It's that type of leadership that you can see Mendoza have that would be able to separate himself going into a situation and getting the guys to really believe that he's number one. And if you're getting picked number one, the organization believes in you. So you already have that little like, all right, this is our quarterback. We're going to do whatever we can to help the quarterback. I think it'll just add value if he, he's able to get his terminology and his way of life outside of football and combining that to his life in football and then figuring out as it goes, I think he could be really good. Now I also think, Colin, that I actually kind of like him a little bit too. But also at the beginning of this year, it didn't, it didn't jump off me that he should go number one. Right, right. His resiliency, number one for sure. The way he was able to go through the season, the way he's made some throws. But at the beginning, like, even when you go back and watch Sam Darl, who's coming on, you know, coming on the show later, you saw, when you, when you saw him, you're like, this dude could be a number one draft pick. And I, you know, forgive me, Sam, I can't remember if you were number one. You are amazing talent coming out of usc, but you could see the jump of his arm when he watched him. Mendoza, I don't know if it really jumps off the stage. So like, for me, I don't know if he's a clear cut number one. I know the Raiders need a quarterback. They could go Malik Willis in free agency. You just never know. They might not be sold, you know, watching the film. So that's a question mark for me still.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, Kyle Van noy Sam Darnold's around the corner, two time Super bowl champ. He's 35 in a month. Is there any lean? If I told you, listen, you got one year left. Is there a system, a culture that you feel you fit perfectly in?
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Kyle Van Noy
Yeah, I'm always going to go with the Ravens. Over the last three years, we've built something special there with the core players that they have. You know, Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, they're hungry for a Super Bowl. Roquan Smith, Kyle Hamilton, on the opposite side. They just re signed Travis Jones in the trenches. Those guys are their core unit. Ronnie Stanley, can't forget about him. Those guys are the core. Tyler Lindenbaum, he's in the core. I know they're going to do everything to try to get him back before free agency starts. Those guys are special. They have something special. I like mentor coming in. He's from that Mike McDonald tree of, of defense. I feel like he's going to really focus on that defense, get back to that split safety coverage that they've been playing in. 23. We're going to go back. They're going to go back to that. Excuse me. Or we're going to go back. If we. If I'm back there, I really like the Ravens, but if not, I'd like to come back to the west Coast. Rams, Chargers, Seattle, one of those teams come to mind. They're still running a 3, 4 defense, but all in all, I would love to be the Ravens. I'm big. I mean, I'm so close with the guys in the back of the bus, the guys in the equipment room. They call it the hub. I'm ready to go back to the hub and hang out. I really enjoy Baltimore. It does have a charm to the city. And I really believe in Mr. Bouchotti's vision. The owner, he's really, really involved with the players. He's a one. And I do have enough juice to show that I can play at a high level even at 35. A lot of people were like shocked when I came in in 23 at 32 and played at a high level. Then they were shocked at 33 that I went to the Pro bowl and had 12 and a half sacks. So I believe I can bounce back after a down statistical year and I'm excited to do it with the teammates that they have there when I go back.
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Colin Cowherd
Kyle, great seniors always.
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Kyle Van Noy
Yeah. I do have to say one thing before we go to break to the Lakers you mentioned Luka. One thing that I got to say is Steph Curry plays defense. It's not how you want all the time, but Steph Curry, MVP has done everything superstar in the NFL, but he has always progressed to try to play defense. Luka, I don't know if we could say the same. You also mentioned Boston. It's always Boston Celtics, Peyton Pritchard having a hell of a year, Derrick White stepping up and Jalen Brown is hooping. Colin. So I'm sorry for the Lakers, but we need Luka to play more defense.
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Colin Cowherd
Thank you. J. Max, you hear that? Finally. So another voice of reason that you got to at least make a stab at playing defense. Sam Darnold's around the corner live in Chicago. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Fox Sports Radio is taking over YouTube and you can be a part of it. Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio. Hit that subscribe button and smash that notification bell and catch all the videos from your favorite shows. Two pros and a cup of Joe Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Stu Godson company Live, Covino and Rich, the Odd Couple with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington, the Jason Smith show with Mike Harmon and the Ben Ma Show. Fox sports radio on YouTube. Subscribe. Hit that thumbs up icon and comment away. All right, two truths in a Lie Here we go. I went to college with college football coach Jim McElwain, I began my broadcasting career doing play by play for the Las Vegas Stars, and I've been a Verizon customer for 15 years. Okay, I lied. All three are true. Verizon isn't as expensive as you think. In fact, if you bring in your AT&T or T mobile bill to a Verizon store, they'll give you a better deal. That's right, a better deal on the best network with the most ways to save on plans, streaming and phone deals. So take that AT and T or T Mobile. Build to your local Verizon store today. Get a better deal and start saving based on root metrics. Best overall Mobile Network Performance U.S. 2nd Half 2025 All Rights Reserve must provide recent consumer mobile bill in the name of the person redeeming the deal. Additional terms, conditions and restrictions apply. Colin I'm Colin Coward from the Herd. Whether you're a seasoned small business owner or thinking about getting started, you'll definitely want to check out season four of Mind the Business small business success stories from iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio and Inuit QuickBooks Mind the Business is part entertainment, part instruction manual, part inspiration. Each episode features practical tips and success stories that will resonate with entrepreneurs in any industry. In their latest season, hosts Austin Henkewicz and Janiez Torres are covering topics on the forefront of running a small business. They're talking to self starters about everything from how AI helps them work smarter to weathering market uncertainties and enjoying the benefits of being your own boss. And using Inuit QuickBooks to help you get more done in less time. You won't want to miss it. Listen to Mind the Business Small business success stories on the Iheart app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Awkward time to ask this, but hey, did you download the trail map? Yeah, no, I don't need to.
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We don't want to get swayed by a 15 minute interview at the combine in Indianapolis because people go down to Phoenix and they train just for the combine. So you're getting the best of everybody. Instead of just watching the tape going to the Senior bowl. Now you get, you know, the underwear Olympics. Everybody's in great shape. Everybody's the fastest they'll ever be. And it's like, yeah, in the NFL by week four, everybody's dinged up and nobody runs a four three forty. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd line news. All right, Colin, I'm floored by this Miami Dolphins stuff. So obviously their new GM comes from Green Bay, as does their new head coach. Yeah, but they also made a hire this week that Ian Rapaport talked about, and it just happens to be the gentleman who drafted Malik Willis in Tennessee. Yeah, so there's a lot of connection to Malik Willis. And now there are reports that Miami kind of wants to sign him to Malik Willis, but there's a concern they may not have enough money. What? Is this all planted by Malik Willis agent? Because everybody's going to buy that. Oh, they all know Malik. They want to sign him, but they can't afford him. So Cleveland Browns, jets, whoever, remember, you're going to have to pony up the Malik Willis you get with Green bay. And Matt LaFleur may not be the Malik Willis your organization gets that doesn't have an infrastructure as good as the Packers. That doesn't have an offensive coach like Matt LaFleur. The danger in Malik Willis is do I get the Green Bay version of Malik Willis? Right. You think Matt Stafford couldn't win a playoff game, went to the Rams and now he's like great playoff quarterback coaching Matt. That's what my concern with Malik Willis is. If I could get a really team friendly two year deal like a Sam Darnold deal, I'd be like, oh, yeah, Darnold proved something Colin over the course of a season in Minnesota. Well, Malik Willis threw 35 passes. That's a, that's a Patrick Mahomes game right there. Well, that's what your scouts do. That's what your GM and scouts are paid to do. You go back to his college tape, his Tennessee tape, his Green Bay tape. But what always worries me is when you go get a Kyle Shanahan quarterback. Kyle Shanahan's made Brock Purdy and Garoppolo super bowl level guys. What Garoppolo do when he left Kyle. So I think Malik Willis is dynamic and quick and he's a playmaker and he's fun to watch. But you may not get the exact replica you watch in Green Bay who. Where the coaching is excellent and the infrastructure is fantastic and the tight end and receiver talent's great. So Baker Mayfield was a top five pick, flamed out, rejuvenated. Sam Darnold was a top five pick, flamed out, rejuvenated. Yes. Daniel Jones, top ten pick. Bounce back. Malik Willis. What was this guy drafted third round?
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Kyle Van Noy
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
The idea that all of a sudden, oh my gosh, he's got so much talent, he can't miss. I think this would be a big time buyer beware. Tag on Malik Willis. Yes, I think that's fair. Is he the best backup in the league? He might be, but as a starter, he's going to take you out of like a top five pick and you won't be able to get a quarterback high next year. So I don't know. I want the Jets. Nothing to do with this guy. All right. I mean, would you want him if you were on the Jets? If I was the Jets, I'd want a Tank. So he would take you out of. I think Malik Willis has the potential to be a very interesting quarterback in the league. Is he great? I don't think so. He's not. He's not as big as I'd like. He doesn't have as many starts as I'd like, but there's something there. He is absolutely dynamic and I think it's very difficult. One of the things I liked about him, they brought him to Green Bay late. He was there about an hour. He obviously can pick stuff up quickly because they brought him in to Green Bay and literally, like three weeks later, he's on the field and he's good. So it's like, wow, that's a. That's hard to do. At the hardest position in the sport is to learn the terminology. New staff, new coaching, new language, new teammates, a young group of players, and he walked right into Green Bay and was excellent. Three weeks later, I hope the Dolphins go all in. Take them out of the tank, off with the jets so we can get Arch Manning. All right, let's move to the next story. And speaking of backup quarterbacks, how about Mack Jones? Colin, the 49ers backup. Now, he has a sample size way more than Malik Willis. He was actually 5 and 3 last season with, you know, pretty solid numbers. So John lynch said they did not plan on trading him, but there are reports. Hello, reports saying the 49ers are going to get some big offers. I agree. For Mac Jones. Now the danger again with Mac Jones. Do I get Mac Jones, Pro Bowler New England Mac Jones good with Kyle Shanahan, or do I get the Mac Jones who didn't do anything at the end in New England and didn't do anything in Jacksonville? So, again, the danger is the head coach makes every quarterback, virtually every quarterback work. So again, buyer beware on Malik Willis and Mac Jones. The difference is Malik is a much more dynamic athlete than Mac Jones. That's not even. I mean, Mac Jones is one of the least athletic guys. Malik Willis turned the TV on, doesn't play the quarterback position. Not a lot of people can do what he can do.
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Sam Darnold
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Now, Shane Steichen and Indy likes mobile quarterbacks.
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Kyle Van Noy
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I think Mac Jones is a bridge to. Daniel Jones is pretty damn good. And remember, the Colts need to win, Colin. They got to win next year. They went all in with those trades. I think I would not be shocked if Mac Jones was like Indy was looking at what the price tag is. They've given up some picks, so I don't know if they can get them. But he's another great quarter, great backup. I don't know about starter. Final story. Let's go to Kirk Cousins in Atlanta. It sounds like his tenure is going to be done. According to new GM Ian Cunningham. He went on the radio, of all places in Atlanta and confirmed the Falcons will release Cousins on the first day of the new league year here in about three weeks. Colin, did they not try to trade him? Is there no trade market? Can they not trade him? I don't think he's expensive and I don't think he has a huge market. And I think he kind of felt at different times a bit washed. Love him. Great career, 45,000 yards. Should be proud. Wonderful guy and a really good leader. But I'm not sure he has a market. So we know like the McVeigh guys like him, Shanahan, they love this guy. So what about the new Leflore in Arizona? Does Kirk Cousins make any sense? Warm weather cities, right? Arizona, San Fran, you know, Seattle. Weather's not great, but whatever. I think he could thrive maybe there. And again they've got a good infrastructure with the receivers. Tight end, running back. You could talk me into it. Arizona is not a bad spot. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd line. Sam Darnold is around the corner. The super bowl star joining us. Had a great playoff run. The redemption story. The redemption arc from the jets to the Vikings to the Seattle Seahawks. Sam Darnold is next. Let's talk about something we all want. Peace of mind. And that's where simply safe home security is valuable. They have AI powered cameras and professional monitoring agents and they work in unison to help prevent break ins before they happen. They're AI powered cameras backed by the monitoring agents. Watch and monitor your property and detect suspicious activity. So if somebody's lurking around outside or acting weird the agency and talk to them in real time. Activate sirens, spotlights, can even contact police. There are no long term contracts with SimpliSafe. It's a dollar a day named the best home security system by US News and World Report five years in succession. What are you waiting for? 50% off today. Any new SimpliSafe system@simplisafecollen.com with professional monitoring agents and AI powered cameras. No safe like SimpliSafe. One more heard. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand, whenever you'd like. All right, two truths and a lie. Here we go. I went to college with college football coach Jim McElwain. I began my broadcasting career doing play by play for the Las Vegas Stars. And I've been a Verizon customer for 15 years. Okay, I lied. All three are true. Verizon isn't as expensive as you think. In fact, if you bring in your AT&T or T mobile bill to a Verizon store, they'll give you a better deal. That's right, a better deal on the best network with the most ways to save on plans, streaming and phone deals. So take that AT and T or T Mobile. Build to your local Verizon store today, get a better deal and start saving based on root metrics. Best Overall Mobile Network Performance US Second Half 2025 all rights reserve must provide recent consumer Mobile bill in the name of the person redeeming the deal. Additional terms, conditions and restrictions apply. I'm Colin Coward from the Herd Whether you're a seasoned small business owner or thinking about getting started, you'll definitely want to check out season four of Mind the Business small business success stories from iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio and Inuit QuickBooks. Mind the Business is part entertainment, part instruction manual, part inspiration. Each episode features practical tips and success stories that will resonate with entrepreneurs in any industry. In their latest season, hosts Austin Henkowitz and Janieze Torres are covering topics on the forefront of running a small business. They're talking to self starters about everything from how AI helps them work smarter to weathering market uncertainties and enjoying the benefits of being your own boss and using Inuit QuickBooks to help you get more done in less time. You won't want to miss it. Listen to Mind the Business Small business success Stories on the iHeart app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Awkward time to ask this, but hey, did you download the trail map? Yeah, no, I don't need to.
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Sam Darnold
Yeah, I do. And I remember, you know, a lot of people kind of questioning, you know, why I was staying, because I know I wanted to play basketball my senior year, and I know a lot of people were questioning me that way. And then the other kid that I was going to be coming in with, you know, as a freshman, you know, I knew that he was going in in the spring, so everyone's like, oh, he's going to have a leg up on you and whatnot. But I knew that we also had Cody Kessler, who was starting for us as a redshirt senior, and I knew that I would have time to learn the system and learn how to play quarterback in that system and under Sark and under Coach Helton as well. So, yeah, I just. I think just wanting to play other sports and then coming in, understanding and being confident in myself to be able to get the job done, I think has always been something I've always had. Even when I was in high school, going into college.
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Colin Cowherd
I remember when you were struggling with the jets, and I talked to a GM who also believed in you, and he said, Listen, he's 20 years old. The jets don't have a great infrastructure. Like, this is a. This is hard. And, you know, I remember this GM saying, you know, Peyton Manning's rare number one pick, goes to a team, gets support. It's like. But even Peyton Manning, year four, like, led the league in picks. So he said, you know, you media guys, he goes, you just think it's easy. It's really hard when you're young and it's New York City. Let's go back to the early New York days. You're having fun. It's new. You're a West coast kid. You're 3,000, 3,500 miles from home. Was there a moment in the first two years that you ever said, man, I don't know if. I don't know if I can play on Sundays. I'm good on Saturdays. Can I be a Sunday guy?
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Sam Darnold
You know, I'd be lying to you if I said that. There wasn't any doubt in my mind. You know, there was a little bit of doubt, you know, throughout those tough times in New York. But, you know, I had great teammates, I had great coaches that believed in me in New York, and, you know, that that's what really kept me upright there. And again, I always talk about it, but my friends and my family that I have kind of built at home also. Were able to keep me upright. And even, you know, there were some times where, you know, we won a few games in a row being in New York. And, you know, I had great teammates and great coaches that were along that journey as well, you know, and perfect example is I was texting a former teammate of mine that I was in New York with today, even just talking about, you know, some things, just personal things. So, you know, it's those relationships that you kind of build along the way that keep you going, you know, throughout those times in New York. And, you know, I. I love, you know, all the people, all the relationships that I built there, because if it weren't for those relationships, you know, I don't. I don't know if I'd be the person or the player that I am today.
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Colin Cowherd
I've said this before on the air. If you go back to Carolina, your last six starts, you come. You get to start again. You were sitting and watching, you know, benched. They brought you back. Last six games, you go four and two. First time you'd ever kind of been benched. That's really where the journey starts. If you go back to November 27th with Carolina, from that moment until today, you're the winningest quarterback in the league. So at the end of Carolina, they say, okay, Sam, we're giving you the starting job again, and you played pretty darn well. Do you look at that and say to yourself, okay, confidence back. I'm ready to go? What did that matter to you?
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Sam Darnold
100%. Yeah. And I think, you know, a lot of it had to do again. I feel like it's going to be a theme here for this interview, but, like, the coaches and players that I was with when I was there, Ben McAdoo being one of those great coaches that I was with in Carolina, you know, just feeling like, you know, it was. It was that same kind of west coast system where it was like, all right, I could, no matter what, if I was taking seven in a hitch. I never felt like I had to throw it to a guy just because he was one in the progression. And, you know, if he trips and falls, I feel like I can get to 2 and 3 and even my outlet to my running back really quickly. And, you know, it was just that. That system, that's where I kind of fell in love with that west coast. Kind of listen to your feet, listen to your progression kind of system. And, you know, I really fell in love with. I fell in love with it there. And it just made sense, especially, you know, playing. Playing A coach like Todd Bowles in Tampa Bay. And that's because he's hiding, Shell. He's hiding. You know, where guys are coming from, different pressures, bringing four to a side, trying to test your protections that way. It just. It allowed me to play so much faster. And, you know, that's where I really fell in love with that offense. And again, I have great coaches and great players that I played with in Carolina to thank for not only my time in Carolina and the great times that we had, but also winning a few games there at the end and putting us in a chance to potentially make the playoffs in a division that was kind of struggling that year.
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Colin Cowherd
So then you go. It's well chronicled. Then you go to San Francisco, you learn and sit back a purdy. You go to Minnesota, you absolutely crush. That's well chronicled. And they decide their decision is, we like you, but, boy, do we want a better deal for us. And then you go to Seattle and we'll get to Seattle in a second. But when you left Minnesota, was there even a tinge of like, but you don't believe in me. I won 14 games. Like, I would have understood if you got on a flight to Seattle and thought, oh, I'm going to show those guys. How did you view Minnesota saying, we love you. Here's the price. Good luck in Seattle. How did that land for you?
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Sam Darnold
Yeah, I think, you know, being in, you know, that. That being the end of my seventh season, I felt like I. I definitely haven't seen it all, but I've seen a lot in the NFL, and I understand kind of the process and what it takes to, you know, I don't understand necessarily what it takes to run an entire organization and run a team, but I understand how difficult it can be. And, you know, you have a lot of decisions that you have to make as a gm, as a head coach. And so for me personally, like, I, you know, obviously I believe in myself and I understand in my abilities, but at the same time, I, you know, I understand, you know, their thought process of, you know, going with the younger kid and maybe, you know, especially jj. Like, I think JJ is very talented. He's super smart, and there's. There's a lot of potential there. And I think JJ is going to be a really, really good player in this league. And, you know, that. That allowed them to kind of, you know, not sign me to maybe a bigger deal and bring some veteran guys in. So, you know. Yeah, I think when I sat back and really, you know, digested, I guess the information that they didn't want me back, you know, that was, you know, a little. Little bit of a tough pill to swallow. But when I really stood back and looked at it from afar, I really understood the decision and I really did. And I'm thankful that I. That I landed in Seattle.
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Colin Cowherd
So let's go to Seattle now. Next seven minutes. Let's talk Seattle. First practice or two with JSN. Nobody knew he was a number one. He's talented. We all watched him. He had about 60 catches his first year. And all of a sudden it's his second year. And all of a sudden now, Sam Darnold, you got the second youngest team in the league, the Green Bay. You play jsn, your first moment, you realized, oh, wow, he is something else. How long did it take you?
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Sam Darnold
Oh, man. Yeah, it was so OTAs. He was always special, running around, doing this thing. But you know, that. That early on in the. In the process, you know, as a receiver especially, you don't want to. You're going about 80, 85% most of the time. And I remember we came out to LA and did some throwing in the off season with the guys right before training camp. And, you know, I've kind of seen him move around for the last couple months. And then, you know, I had one of my other buddies that just came in through with us because I needed an extra arm, and he was like, dude, this guy is different. Like, the way that he moves around and the way that he gets in and out of cuts. Like, he doesn't. He doesn't cut the way that I feel like you're, you know, you normally teach a receiver, he's very kind of rounded off, but he doesn't lose speed in and out of cuts. Yeah, and I think that's. That's one of his specialties. And that's something as well that I, That I kind of got to witness firsthand with Justin Jefferson. Like, there's a lot of similarities there with kind of the way that they run routes. But jsn, I think another superpower that he has. He's a lot stronger than people think. Yeah, he's got. He's got a really strong lower body, and once he gets the ball in his hands, he can. He can do a lot, you know, with the ball in his hands, making. Making, you know, guys miss and being more physical than dbs.
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Colin Cowherd
Sam. People said, well, Sam Darnold didn't do a ton in the Super Bowl. And I said, folks, Sam Darnold did what Brady did two of Brady's Super Bowls, he threw for under 200 yards. I said, sam didn't have a turnover in the playoffs, in the superior nfc, only Breeze Aikman. You and one other quarterback, I think Steve Young's ever done that. When you got to the super bowl, did Mike McDonald. Those two weeks of practice, did he just tell you, sam, listen, we're going to win this game. We just got to make smart decisions. Did you have a different feel coming into the super bowl, or did the game work the way you thought it would? It's.
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Sam Darnold
It's just one of those things that, you know, I mean, the head coach doesn't have to say anything to me about taking care of the football. You know, that's. That's very obvious. And I'm well aware of the defense that we have, how special that group is. But I think the higher the stakes, the more prevalent and the more important the ball is. And that's not to say it's not important during the regular season, but, you know, I think. And at the same time, like, there were a lot of throws I'd like to have back in that Super Bowl. I missed a touchdown to Jax right before the halftime. I missed Cooper on a couple of throws. Cooper made some incredible catches in that game. Just, you know, having my back that way. Like, you know, there was a deep ball or I guess early on I was scrambling out to my left and Jax was. He would have been wide open for a touchdown. And I just kind of overthrew it a little bit. But so there are a few throws that I'd like to have back in that game. But I think going into that game and just going into, you know, the late, you know, latter half of the season, I knew that it would be very important to just take care of the football.
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Colin Cowherd
I remember a game when you were at usc, you went up to Washington and beat the Huskies, and you were really good. You were. I remember that game well. Tell people what it's like now. You're back in the West Coast. You're in Seattle. They were the biggest USC rival. It was the Ducks and the Huskies. About playing in Seattle, what is it like? Oh, man.
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Sam Darnold
Yeah, I remember that game very vividly. I think they were. There were two or three in the country, maybe four, you know, had. Had studs all around. Dante Pez, John Ross, you know, Jake Browning had a ton of dudes on defense. Buddha Baker, all those guys. The list goes on and on. But, yeah, just going into that stadium, it was electric, man. You know, you had that purple that purple cloud of dust, you know, welcoming you as, as, you know, the Huskies jogged onto the field and, you know, it was that typical Seattle weather kind of later in the season. It was gray, a little, little chilly, but man, it was, it was just fun to be able to play in an atmosphere like that. Like that's what you dream of, of playing in games like that. And then to, to finally be in Seattle with the Hawks and just see the, the electric atmosphere that our crowd creates. Not only, you know, throughout the last half of the season, like when we had one o' clock games later or earlier in the season, it was the same, same intensity that we had, you know, in the playoffs. And so I just, you know, those fans are incredible. And it is a little different in Seattle, the fandom that they have for their sports up here.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, they kind of, they kind of feel forgotten. They feel geographically isolated, so they kind of. They got a chip on their shoulder. They get lubricated in the pre game and they let you hear it for the next five hours. Listen, we gotta run. I'm so happy for you. I've been lucky enough to follow all this stuff and know you for years. Congratulations. You have a remarkable family and I appreciate you giving me 15 minutes of time. You didn't have to, and I appreciate it.
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Sam Darnold
Of course, Colin, I appreciate you, man.
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Colin Cowherd
Sam Darnold. Super bowl champion Sam Darnold. Yeah. His journey is fascinating. You go to the end of Carolina November 27, when he got a start, he got benched for the first time ever. He got the starting job, went 42 niners, 14 wins, Minnesota Super Bowl. And you know, that's why I say, when you're young, your support system is so important. And he just didn't have it initially. He now does. And I've told the story where John Snyder, the gm at one point said, now what is it about fans and the media and Sam Darnold? Like, the guy is good. We watch him every day at practice. Like we can win a Super bowl with Sam Darnold. He's good. And John Snyder, who's usually right at the combine this week was right again. Congrats to Sam. Joel Klatt, Kyle Van Noyce stopped by today. Tomorrow. Revolutionary, futuristic. I don't know what to make of it. Be sitting down when we introduce it. See you then.
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Sam Darnold
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