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Phil Sims
No, of course you don't. But it does help if you are popular and you do certain things and blend in with the football team. You know and I know Jalen Hurts has taken a lot of a lot of heat for being successful right now in the NFL. And you know two yes. Is he a conservative player? Without question. Doesn't like to throw it over the middle, doesn't want to throw into tight coverage to make those type of throws. But also he's very careful. And listen, when you got a Defense like the Philadelphia Eagles, it's not the worst thing that your offense is being very careful not to turn the football over. It's a winning formula for many teams. I kind of played that way. I didn't mean to play that way, but it worked out that way. When you got a good defense, why are you out there trying to show everybody you can score 30 and 40 points? And, you know, I think we saw something from Jalen Hurts. Last year, this same thing was going on. And then what happens? He goes to the super bowl, and all of a sudden he becomes. Man, he becomes Tom Brady. And the super bowl wins the MVP.
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Jason McIntyre
So you had a year back in the 80s, you won a Super bowl and threw 22 picks. I have always defended interception quarterbacks. I defend Elway. I defend Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning. Aaron Rodgers was one of the first quarterbacks in my life that you got all the upside and no picks that didn't used to. I mean, the bottom line is throw the ball down the damn field. I don't like dink and dunk, guys. So Darnold has. Darnold has nine games, three plus picks. Andrew Luck had nine games, three or plus picks. It doesn't. He may never. He's not as good as Luck. He may never win a Super Bowl. But I like the fact that Sam throws a horrible pick and it doesn't bother him at all. Where are you on interceptions, quarterbacks bouncing off mistakes because Darnold had a stinker, but Andrew Luck had 10 stinkers.
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Phil Sims
Yeah, it's a lot there. You know, I'll say this right off the stuff, you know, I never had the Giants in those years when we were really winning games. They never said, you know, Phil, you got to be a little more careful. You know, Parcells was not that kind of guy. He would not get too angry. I mean, sometimes you get angry because I throw an interception, go, wow, that might be the dumbest play I've ever made in my career, but otherwise, what you said is true, man. Throw it down the field. We want big plays. Big plays. Win games. And then if I started checking it down too much, he goes. He would yell at me, go, oh, what are you worried, Sims, about your completion percentage? And, you know, just go, hey, I'm just trying to move us down the field and score.
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Jason McIntyre
Right? Right.
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Phil Sims
Yeah. And Sam Darnold, I would just say this. We know what happened the last two games last year with him. And then he's playing the game. He's playing against the Rams and all that. Sometimes as a quarterback you're only your first, and you try to do this is. I'm not going to make that mistake today. Play it careful. If the game is close, you're playing a really good team. That's all right. When the time comes, there's going to be a big play in the game where it's going to be easy for you to make. And when you do that, it changes the narrative everywhere. But I was. I got to tell you, some of those interceptions that Sam Darnold threw last week.
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Phil Sims
That's all I can say. Wow. You know, you've got to pull it back sometimes. You just can't. You can't swing for the damn fences every time the ball's pitched to you. And that's kind of what Sam Darnold, he did it. I was really surprised, but I was also really surprised about the type of interceptions they were.
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Jason McIntyre
So I used to believe that you got to give a quarterback three years, but now they have private coaching, seven on seven summer drills. Kids throw 10,000 passes by the time they're 14. So my take is not three years. It is Thanksgiving of year two. GM, coach, coordinator, go upstairs, raise their hands, do we draft again or not? Do we extend eventually? So I. I have shortened the timeline up. So, I mean, Josh Rosen got 13 starts. Johnny Manzel got seven or eight. What do you do with J.J. mcCarthy? This is a good tool belt. Phil. Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Kevin OConnell, great left tackle. Like, this is not, you know, this is not a bad franchise. This is not what Caleb got last year in Chicago. How long do you give J.J. mcCarthy before you go upstairs? You sit in a room and raise your hand and say, guys, we got to go in another direction.
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Phil Sims
Well, you know, he's going to get the rest of the year. I watched that game this past weekend. I thought, man, if they had, like, a quality veteran backup, I think they would have brought him in there, you know, J.J. mcCarthy. You know, look, there are some things he does well. He moves around well. He's got a strong arm, but he's got one pitch. And that one pitch is, I'm going to throw the damn thing as hard as I can. And it doesn't matter if you're 10 yards of 20 or 40 yards. I mean, he's a. I think deep down the field, you see it. He's a pretty good thrower. But the NFL, the game is really played from, let's just say, the line of scrimmage, the 15 yards down the field, and you got to be a machine hitting Those plays, and I haven't seen that from JJ McCarthy and a lot of it, there's many things, I think there are technique problems. I see people talking about it all the time. Well, tell me what it really is. And they can't do that. But it's, it's, it's the. You got to hit all those routine throws and that's one of the biggest thing I think hurts him and hurts the football team right now. And I'll give credit to the receivers. They're very good, they're successful and they're kind of biting their tongue and they're not getting on the quarterback yet. But man, he's got to pick up the way he plays. He's got to become more accurate throwing the football.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, I want to ask you two questions because you do college football stuff and I'll get to Mendoza in a second. I want to start with Shador Sanders. I thought he was a, at worst mid to late second round guy. The people I trusted in the NFL said, yeah, I mean he's, he's mid second. They liked him as much as Jackson. Dart some more and he drops to the fifth. I then heard about him basically blowing the Giants interview bad. The legendary stuff all over his draft room, the speeding tickets. Obviously some maturity issues there that I didn't know about. He starts this weekend. Were you, when you were doing your college stuff the last few years, were you a Shador fan or, or did he run backwards too much? You know, there, there were signs he could be impatient. Where were you on him coming out of college?
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Phil Sims
Well, you know, listen, the fact that I don't look at their stats and say, oh, he ran around too much, those are things you can really correct in very short time. I did like him in college. Look, he looks to me, he plays really big on the field. Does he take too many sacks and try to extend plays? Absolutely. He did it last week when he came in the game. He did it. He did it in college. But what. There's many things here. I think he'll play, of course. I think everybody thinks he'll play really well against the Raiders. The Raiders, the defense, not that good. Kevin Stefanski, when I watched him over the years, go back to when Joe Flacco took the team to the playoffs and all that, they had one of the best, if not the best deep throwing offense in the NFL. So many good designs as Stefanski is really good at. And you know what that fits should do. He's another guy he would rather. He's good throwing the Ball deep down the field. He's a good short thrower, but it's the in betweens that you worry about. And I would be shocked. And I said this to somebody working with you, I just said if he's. I believe when they start the game this weekend, he'll be about 8 for 10 out of the first 10 throws because they're going to give him screens, make sure it's easy, get him involved in the game, and then as time goes on, they'll open it up and give him and do what he's probably best at and that's getting a little more protection and throwing the football deep down the field. I don't know if I answered your question. That's what I think.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. No, Fernando Mendoza played at Cal. The kid, the kid is supposed to be an unbelievable student. And at Indiana and Cal, he's not playing with five star Bama, Ohio State guys. That's not what he's playing with. I like that. By the way, I like college guys who come out of Cal, NC State, yourself, smaller schools, you know, it's not, it's not Georgia talent. It's like middling talents that you got to throw open. I think he separated himself in that Penn State drive. I watched that drive and I thought on the road, big pass rush. Penn State's got elite defensive players and right in the teeth of it. He just threw. Sunday throw. Sunday throw, Sunday throw. I see, I see potentially a really high end college kid. What do you see?
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Phil Sims
I see a really high end college kid, big time. And I mean, if you're phrasing about the pros, I think he'll be a very successful quarterback in the pros. I mean, he's tall. I did their game against Iowa, probably the worst game of the year for him. But I didn't come away with it going, oh my gosh, he played bad. In fact, I came away and I said, all the talents you want to see in the NFL he showed you on that field. He just makes great throws. He's got a very compact motion, spins the ball, can really drive it and he's tough as hell. And the other thing that really I like, I like these college quarterbacks that are playing somewhat of a pro offense. I look at Indiana and man, they do the same damn thing every week and they might put a little dressing to it sometimes. But I like everything about him. I think some people worry, oh, is it going to work? Is he mobile enough? Hey, man, when you're a quarterback like him, who's been taught so well, and has the talent that he's going to learn very quickly. Hey, the NFL is different. And I think he'll be somewhat of an instant success. Kind of like Jackson Dart. Jackson dart. I mean, he played Lane Kiffin. It's got so many pro looks to it. And all the experience, all those years and all those throws, it translates to the NFL very quickly. It's not like Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams was always in charge, and now he's playing better. Why? Because Ben Johnson is stepping on him.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Phil Sims
And the offense fits him. And of course, he's learning and everything. So I do like Mendoza a lot. Colin, to answer your question, what you.
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Jason McIntyre
Just said is exactly what a top offensive coach told me this week off air. He told me, he said Indiana runs so many. He'll be an easy quarterback to evaluate. They run so much pro stuff that it's very obvious. You'll know very. He goes, this coach said, I watched him a couple times on tv. You can see they're running pro stuff. He'll be an easy evaluation. Even Mahomes out of the Big 12, nobody knew if some of that stuff was going to work. Or like Josh Allen at Wyoming, you're like, that's bad competition. I've been told now that he'll be an easy comp. That's a lot of Sunday stuff. And you just echoed it. So you're seeing the same thing my guy was. Yeah, I.
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Phil Sims
You know, these college quarterbacks, when I'm bored, I try to go through all these guys and just watch them real quick. And just seeing him in person and talking to him, I mean, he's everything you want at the professional level and being your quarterback, the guy, you know, so, you know, it's hard on these young quarterbacks, which, like I've said before and probably said to you already, and they. We judge them too hard, too fast. And, you know, so we're seeing some of these guys in the second year. Caleb Williams, he's the greatest example of all. You know, he's coached differently, different offense. It fits him. And, you know, he's got pride and he. So he shows that in the way he's playing. And it's. I'm excited just watching and seeing Ben Johnson with him and how they're doing it. And I know they're being tough on him and he's. He's taking it the right way and it shows on the field, as always.
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Jason McIntyre
Phil, it's great seeing you.
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Phil Sims
Is that it?
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Jason McIntyre
We. 12 minutes. That's how that's on my show. That's a big hit.
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Phil Sims
It is. Okay. Hey, you know, I. There's a couple guys, so one, one earlier B. Knicks. He's a man. Okay. And he does not even flinch when he's playing the game. There he is against Kansas City. He's looking for the kill shot. And of course, he's coached by the guy that's right with him. And Davis Webb's there helping the quarterbacks. I mean, that's just one of these, these young quarterback. I hear a lot of talk that all Bo Nicks this and that. Yeah, he might not be at the top of his game yet, but he's, he's finding a way to get there. And I really, I love watching him play too, by the way.
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Jason McIntyre
He is also aggressive. He's an aggressive thrower of the football.
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Phil Sims
Absolutely. He's not. Check down Charlie, let's put it that way. And he did it against Kansas City. So you saw that he's willing to do the right thing and take a chance and not worried about if he's going to be the goat or the hero, which is pretty cool.
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Jason McIntyre
Good seeing you.
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Phil Sims
All right.
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Jason McIntyre
Good seeing you. Thank you, Phil.
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Phil Sims
Good seeing you. Thanks for having me on, J. Mac. Keep working on those arms, man. They're looking good.
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Jason McIntyre
Anytime J. Mac gets a chance to do the, you know, the gun show. What? What?
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Colin Cowherd
These are all natural. I'm not doing steroids.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I mean, your shirts are always a little tighter than mine, but that's okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Medium is my favorite size.
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Jason McIntyre
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Sophie Cunningham
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Colin Cowherd
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Phil Sims
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Phil Sims
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
It's tough to get you to laugh sometimes, but I like when I feel it out and then I could tell. Oh, he's easing for some good one liners today, Colin. We got. We got to start here in the final hour with Brian D. Obviously was fired by the Giants, but they played tough against the Packers. And Jameis Winston's getting some praise from around the league that, hey, he wasn't terrible. Here's Dan Campbell talking about what he saw.
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Jason McIntyre
I think there was some fresh energy last week when you watched him against Green Bay, you know, you know, I think it sometimes it's just that, that newness, you know, and you don't know how long that could possibly last or the rebound on it. But I think just the change itself, something a little bit different, a little new can spark you.
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Colin Cowherd
Interesting take. Now. Here's the latest. Is Jackson Dart. If he clears concussion protocol today, he's going to get the start. They're still waiting. I haven't seen anything.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, this game is interesting. Detroit plays on Thanksgiving. Look ahead spot for them. Dart may play. Everybody loves Detroit. They're great at home. It's a weird spot. I'd stay away Detroit for me, I think they'll win. But if Dart plays, it's a different offense, no question.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So one of the other things is the Lions, off of a loss with Goffin Campbell, have won 13 straight and covered all of them. They bounce back really well from defeat going home against a bad team. One thing is the Giants have dialed up the blitz a lot more. They were going after Jordan Love. I mean, good luck blitzing Jared Goff and leaving those fast receivers. Jmo Amon Ra on an island. Laporta is the guy to watch. Did you notice the offense was really bad against Philly without LaPorta.
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Jason McIntyre
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
Huge loss. We'll see if they get him back. One of us may have bet the Lions earlier this week and may be regretting it if Jackson dart starts, but we shall see. All right, let's move on to Tampa Bay. Colin, huge game for the flailing Bucks on Sunday Night Football. How about this news? Baker Mayfield and Emika Abuka were among six Bucks who missed practice on Wednesday due to an illness going around the facility. Todd Bowles said the illness is hitting the team so hard they made Wednesday's practice a walkthrough. I don't know what's going on with Tampa. They've, you know, they had to play a couple good teams here of late and they're struggling. Breaking news, the Rams are a really good team. I don't know. I remember I teased this Stafford against the Bulls historically and how he handles the blitz. You know, I'm going to save it for one more day, but I'm just telling you guys right now, if Todd Bowles stays to his principles and blitzes Stafford, you know, Rams are going to hang a 40 burger with ease.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, Rams are really healthy right now. And I one of the things that is so they are. The Rams do not beat themselves. No, they just don't. I mean, they don't. They're. No, they're not turning it over. They don't have any penalties. They are. They're playing. I think they're playing even better than the super bowl year because the super bowl year they got off to a rough start with Stafford. If you remember, he was new, learning the system and Matt could be, you know, as he's learning the system. He was a little reckless at times that year. This is a as to me, the last five or six weeks is as well, including the super bowl year, as Stafford and McVay have ever been together. They are so in unison right now. It's incredible. Everything is working. They don't get penalized. They're healthy. They can go 13 personnel. They can go three tight ends. Take Puka off the field. They've got Devonte. They. They are really. This is as good as Stafford and McVeigh. This is about as good as I've ever seen them play together.
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Colin Cowherd
And you know, from today's Tampa practice, no Jamel Dean, their top cornerback. No Hassan Redick, arguably their best edge rusher. So things are lining up. I'm guessing that Rams will touch a touchdown here. Is that something that would interest you?
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Jason McIntyre
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
Rams at Sofi. Interesting final story. Colin, let's go to your boy, Bo Nicks. Oh, man, he's got the magic touch. Denver's on an eight game winning streak heading into their buy with a 9 and 2 mark, well ahead of the lowly Chiefs in the AFC West. Now Drake May and the Patriots also are riding an eight game win streak, their first since Tom Brady had one. This is the first time the league has had two quarterbacks on an eight game win streak since 1984.
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Jason McIntyre
Wow.
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Colin Cowherd
Do you want to guess who those quarterbacks were in 84? They're, they're pretty.
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Jason McIntyre
Elway Moreno. Yeah. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
So I don't want to put Bo Nicks and Drake May in that category. Now they're two young quarterbacks. Remember, Marino and Elway were very young. Do you see like a holy cow, these guys could be superstars down the road from Knicks and May.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I think Drake May is like Marino and Elway is the traits. He's just big with a big arm and he moves. Yeah, Drake May's got better traits than Bo. He's just a bigger, stronger guy. Throws a real, not only accurate, I mean his, his completion percentage and I, I mean the Patriots online, solid. It's not exceptional. They don't have receivers that are getting massive space and separation. He's completing 71% of his throws and he's not a dink and dunk guy. He throws the ball down the field. That's an insane number.
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Colin Cowherd
It boggles the mind to see these hot take artists say, oh, the Patriots, they're fool's gold with Drake May. If you look at the gambling odds, they're favored to be the number one seed. Drake May. I mean, I don't think I'm ready to do this. He's like top three for mvp. Colin, if you look at the odds and they know a little bit about the odds, like if Drake May's the number one seed, there's a world where he's the MVP of the league. Now I don't know if Alan misses out on that, but that's how good May's been.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, think about quarterbacks who in their second year won the MVP like Lamar Mahomes. I mean you're in an elevated class. Josh Allen didn't even win it in the second year. So if Drake May, I mean it almost guarantees greatness. Is that that early mvp? Pretty much a sign you're on a different plane. Yeah. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news weather forecast earlier in the show. Phil Sims, Greg Cosell, all sorts of good stuff. I thought it was interesting. Greg Cosell talking about Philadelphia's pass offense, how it was. It's kind of simple, he said. It's, you know, fairly remedial. It's not terribly complex. But, you know, I don't know why or what I mean. To some degree, I will say this, he throws a pretty good deep ball and both Devonte and AJ There are very few teams that have two guys that are good deep ball targets. You know, like Puka to me is like mid 50, 18 yards and under. That's. That's Puka strength. There's not a lot of teams. T. Higgins and Jamar Chase, Addison and Justin Jefferson can both have some separation, but I thought that was interesting. By Greg Cosell we'll talk about that next. The Herd Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Welcome back. Yeah, Greg Cosell, earlier today talking about Philadelphia, the story that, you know, he, he's kind of irritating the head coaches in Philadelphia. And Philadelphia is a one of the things I like, and I like this about Nick Foles in Philadelphia. He kind of doesn't have the personality to get people riled up. He kind of suppresses all the noise. And I think that's one of the things I've always loved about Dakota. Dak doesn't, he doesn't ignite fires. He puts them out. You know, you had a lot of Jerry and the Dallas media and the Cowboys and comps and big rivalry games, and Dak just sort of cools the noise, slows down the fury in Dallas. I think Jalen Hurts is great at that. But there are reports from Derek Gunn, is a longtime reporter in Philadelphia, that he can kind of drive the staff, you know, a little crazy because he's kind of doing his own thing in games in which, you know, they want him to make certain throws. And he does it at practice game time. He does his own thing. And here's I asked Cosell, I mean, what do you see on film about Philly's pass offense? When you watch their offense and their past game in particular, the one thing you definitely see is that it's, it's rather elementary and remedial in their concepts. And that's just what the tape shows. They don't do a lot. You know, we talk about other quarterbacks and other coaches. You watch a Ben Johnson offense. You know me well enough to know I don't rip coaches. This is not a knock on Jalen Hurts. I don't know what goes on in their meetings. I don't know what goes on in their locker room. But I can tell you that the tape shows that their offensive pass concepts are just. They're rather basic and simplistic for the NFL. Another quarterback story. And I, And I do think Shador Sanders is interesting. His dad's primetime. But usually when a quarterback comes in, in a late game situation or it's a late drive, you would see Tom Brady do this a lot. He would tell the crowd, quiet down, quiet down. We need to hear. That's something you. I've seen. I can think in my head. I can think of Peyton Manning doing that. Like, guys, bring it down. You know, the crowd. You got to be on our side here. Bring it down. Apparently, Shedeur came in this week and did the opposite. He was like, let's make some noise. And Joel Batonio, one of his offensive lineman's, like, timeout. We can't hear. Don't do that. Here's his interior offensive lineman. I was like, hey, make sure you quiet the crowd down. And then I watched the replay and he was hyping him up, and I was like, well, you can't really hear here, but. But, you know, it was. It was, you know, his moment to. To play. But I think as the game got on, you know, there was a couple moments where he was getting really, you know, excited.
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Phil Sims
And those moments are important, but, like.
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Jason McIntyre
There'S a fine line of, like, great energy and like, hey, let's get the next play call in. You know, and so I think he'll understand that as he goes. But, you know, when you're in that moment, he's kind of just playing off feelings, and those were kind of the moments that he was. He was playing with. Yeah, and I think that's a. That's a very reasonable criticism. He hasn't had a ton of awareness. Two speeding tickets, legendary draft room going in, headsets, on to the New York Giants interview. Like, he's telling the crowd, bring it on, bring it on. And his teammates are like, no, no, don't do that. We want it quiet. Shadow is kind of in his shador. He's kind of his own guy and whatever. Yeah, I don't want to pick on the kid, but I think one of the reasonable criticisms of him, he runs backward too much. You can't argue that. Lacks some self awareness and, you know, it's not the end of the world, but it's not great. And self awareness becomes very important in this league. And by the way, this is what, you know, Greg Cosell and Phil Sims said about Sam Darnold. Like when you have a defense as good as Seattle, you don't need to take as many risks. I mean, the coaching staff, they run. I think they run their run rates like top four or five in the league. So there's a lot of things that go into quarterback. What's your defense like, where's our field position? What's the momentum in the game like? There's all sorts of things. When you're a corner, you're on an island. Your responsibility is stay on my guy, right. Or you have quarters in the NFL in his own. This is my quarter. Quarterback. There are so many things to think about. Time of the game clock, what's the score, what down is it? You know, do we have current momentum? I mean, sometimes you'll see this where somebody on defense gets banged up and a coach like a Sean Payton will literally call a play to pick on the new corner. Matt LaFleur will see, you know, a corner get banged up for the Bears. They'll call a play to go after the new guy on the field at corner for the Chicago Bears. So being a quarterback is really concentrating on the right stuff, not the crowd. Not getting the crowd fired at. Irrelevant. That's. That's not your thing. If anything, suppress crowd noise, don't elevate it. So it's a little thing. It's not the end of the world. And I think he plays pretty well against the Raiders, who look like a beaten franchise. Nothing's going. There's nothing about the Raiders I like. It is. You know, it's interesting. Their first pick was Ashton Genty, who I think's good. He's really hard to judge because the Raiders O line is so bad. And also the Raiders trail in a lot of their games in the second half. Well, what aren't you going to do? Run the ball. So Ashton Jenny has a battle line and his team trails a lot. Well, it's hard for me to judge a rookie running back based on those two factors. I'm, you know, it's. And I don't think. I don't think he's Zeke or Saquon Barkley as a talent, but I do think he's good. But there are certain young players. I don't know what to make of the Raiders right now and I don't know what to make of Ashton Genty once they put their arms around Geno Smith. To me, the season has an absolute ceiling and it's been the worst of times for it. But for the record, J. Mac, I like Cleveland in This spot. I don't think the Raiders will move the ball much. I, I, I like Cleveland here in a low scoring game. What say you?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I had also like Cleveland but the line keeps going up. It was three now three and a half. I'm seeing some fours. The Browns have some offensive line injury issues. Let me, let me get them for you right now. It seems like their interior offensive line could be missing a guy or two. Not great. Obviously with Crosby on the opposite side of the ball. I just, I can't, I don't think I can back the Raiders in any way, shape or form. I would say Browns are passed.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm with you. Yeah. It was yesterday I noted this. So. I love mock drafts.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
And I went and looked. It's, it's really interesting. This is why I believe the Niners have so much leverage with Mac Jones now that Purdy's back. Is that you go look at the mock draft. J. Mac, you can make an argument. Five teams in the first nine picks are going to draft quarterbacks. Or could they need them?
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Colin Cowherd
But I don't know that there's quarterbacks there. By the way, speaking of quarterbacks, the, the Rams I think have the Falcons pick next year.
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Jason McIntyre
They do.
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Colin Cowherd
And the Falcons keep losing. And now Kirk Cousins is starting Drake London's out. Are the Rams going to maybe go to the super bowl and get like a top seven pick? That would be insane.
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Jason McIntyre
That's what I've said about the Rams could draft a quarterback. But I, I will tell you what. An executive in the league texted me yesterday. He said it's a thick quarterback class. He goes, there'll be two in the first, three in the second, two in the third. He said it's thick. He goes, a lot of times you get like three really good prospects. They're out of the first 14 picks. They're all gone. But. And there's maybe one second round quarterback and then you don't have one to the fifth. This GM said it's a thick class. He said there's yeah, a lot of couple. A couple first, a couple second. I would say this. A lot of high to middle seconds.
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Colin Cowherd
It could go from thick to thin if like Dante Moore doesn't come out.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't think he's coming out. Cause I think, I think Oregon has the ability to pay him 5 million bucks. I don't think Dante Moore is coming out. I think he's going to be excellent. My guess is he comes back for one more year. He's only 20. He could use it Yep.
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