THE HERD - Hour 3 - The 49ers have issues, Aaron Rodgers & the Steelers, thoughts on the Packers this season, Mark Sanchez

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: THE HERD - Hour 3 - The 49ers have issues, Aaron Rodgers & the Steelers, Thoughts on the Packers this season, Mark Sanchez
Date: October 1, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd
Guest Analyst: Mark Sanchez
Producer/Analyst Comments: Drew Franklin, Jason McIntyre

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Overview

This episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd centers on pressing NFL storylines: the San Francisco 49ers’ on-field struggles (particularly with quarterback Brock Purdy), the evolving situation with Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers, what’s next for young teams like the Packers, and in-depth analysis with former NFL quarterback Mark Sanchez, including quarterback development and key division races. As always, the show features Cowherd’s trademark blend of tough opinions, sharp football insight, and back-and-forth banter with co-hosts and guests.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Mark Sanchez on Josh Allen, Brock Purdy, and the 49ers’ Issues

[02:34 - 06:24]

• Josh Allen’s Background and Business Venture:
  Mark Sanchez shares about Allen’s agricultural roots, new pistachio business with his dad ("He’s a small town farm kid...fired up about this partnership." – Sanchez, 03:00).

• Brock Purdy’s Regression and Injuries:
  Cowherd points out Purdy’s uptick in interceptions, connecting it to his injury and youth around him.
  "Fans don’t understand. You’re forcing things, you’re playing hurt, maybe you don’t have quite the velocity." (Cowherd, 03:39)
  Sanchez elaborates:

  "He went from a steady distributor...to a guy who’s got to score a lot more. And they’re leaning on him a lot more to make plays with a different roster than he came into the league with." (Sanchez, 04:31)
  Sanchez mentions a less cohesive offensive line, younger weapons, and injuries all changing Purdy’s margin for error.
  "Bottom line is I don’t care if you’re Steve Young, Joe Montana, you need guys around you...Even if those guys came back into play right now, the best ability would be Steve Young’s legs. Because you know, it’s tough finding completions for San Francisco...they’re still 3 and 1." (Sanchez, 05:45)

2. Aaron Rodgers, Steelers, and Quarterback Evaluation

[06:24 - 09:17]

• Rodgers’ Adaptation and PFF Discrepancy:
  Cowherd defends Aaron Rodgers, suggesting analytics overlook situational mastery:

  "I’ve watched a lot of quarterback play this year. I think Aaron has figured out on the fly...Not throwing the ball into trouble, I’m throwing this ball underneath. I’m going to let our defense win." (Cowherd, 06:44)

• Rodgers’ Veteran Approach:
  Drew Franklin pokes fun: "11:21 Pacific Time, Colin Cowherd is defending Aaron Rodgers." (Franklin, 07:31)
  Franklin praises Rodgers’ conductor-like command and how Aaron and DK Metcalf have finally clicked.

  "They finally figured out how to use DK Metcalf and that took some time...He’s a catch and run guy...they’re going to have to generate some of those splash plays on screens." (Franklin, 08:07)

3. Daniel Jones, Colts, and Post-New York Success

[09:17 - 11:39]

• Daniel Jones’ Emergence with a New Team:
  Colin Cowherd admits surprise at Jones’ play outside of New York:

  "I never gave up on Sam Darnold. I gave up on Daniel Jones. I don’t even know what I’m watching...that’s a starting quarterback in the NFL." (Cowherd, 09:39)
  Sanchez highlights Jones’ supporting cast with the Colts and draws comparison to his playoff year with the Giants:
  "They have everything that Daniel Jones had in the year he went to the playoffs and won a game on the road…Now they’re working with Jonathan Taylor...The guy is surgical." (Sanchez, 10:21)
  Sanchez notes athleticism, good scheme, and a big, young tight end (Tyler Warren) as crucial factors.

4. Young Teams and “Closing Out” Games: Packers and Seahawks

[18:36 - 21:11]

• The Packers’ Youth and Learning to Finish
  Cowherd on Packers/Seahawks:

  "There is something about young teams...they don’t quite know how to seal games when they’re the better team. And it’s a thing. It’s a skill." (Cowherd, 18:46)
  Sanchez confirms:
  "These are learned traits. And then soon it becomes part of who you are and how the coaches teach it. But until the players handle it and experience it, then...it turns into riding a bike." (Sanchez, 19:39)
  Errors and penalties, rather than opponents’ heroics, often determine close games.

5. Trevor Lawrence, the Jaguars, and QB Development

[21:11 - 25:38]

• Trevor Lawrence’s Progress and Coaching Instability
  Sanchez notes Lawrence’s high turnover number but emphasizes constant change around him:

  "Four different head coaches, four or five different coordinators...Finally, he has a coordinator that comes from that Shanahan McVay kind of tree...his plate is completely full." (Sanchez, 21:35)
  He explains how Lawrence is being challenged to make audibles and line adjustments like never before and shows via game tape how the Jaguars’ goal-line offense and defensive turnover "magic" are putting the team ahead.

6. Patriots QB Drake May and Building Around a Franchise QB

[31:13 - 35:49]

• Drake May’s Fast Progression:
  Jason McIntyre lauds:

  "He's leading the league at 74% completions. May is really cooking right now." (McIntyre, 31:13)
  Colin details the core elements of successful franchises—the “five things”—and notes the Patriots' only missing piece is a bona fide WR1.
  "Owner, coach, OC, left tackle, quarterback...they just need an elite weapon." (Cowherd, 32:09)

• Skepticism on Competition Level:
  McIntyre questions if May’s numbers are inflated by weak defenses thus far:

  "The Vegas Raiders, that’s a bottom five defense...I just need to see a little more." (McIntyre, 33:22)
  Both agree: If the Patriots add a star receiver, they could win a playoff game.

7. Jets’ Struggles, Sauce Gardner, and Penalties

[35:49 - 38:22]

• Penalty Frustration:
  Sauce Gardner blames officiating for the Jets’ woes:

  "I get called for more stuff just based off of us just not winning...us not winning, it’s just, that’s what goes on." (Gardner, 36:13)
  Colin discusses the psychological bias referees may have toward winners and established coaches.
  "I don’t think it’s rigged. I think it’s the advantage of being successful in life. It’s like the advantage of being tall or good looking. People just assume you know what you’re talking about." (Cowherd, 37:09)

• Cornerback Value:
  McIntyre:

  "Sauce is the highest paid cornerback...he has one interception in the last 43 games." (McIntyre, 38:22)
  Cowherd contends teams don’t target him late due to the Jets often trailing.

8. NFL Trade Strategies and Team Needs

[40:02 - End]

• Chargers’ and Rams’ Immediate Needs:
  Cowherd believes the Rams need a top corner; Chargers need a running back (not another tackle):

  "I think the Rams need a corner, the Chargers need a running back, and I like the Jets to upset the Cowboys this week." (Cowherd, 42:16)

• Quick NFL Game Picks:

  • Colin’s pick of the week: Colts over Raiders
  • Patriots as underdogs in a divisional rivalry
  • Jets to upset the Cowboys

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Brock Purdy’s Situation:
  "Even if those guys came back into play right now, the best ability would be Steve Young's legs. Because...it's tough finding completions right now for San Francisco and they're still 3 and 1."
  — Mark Sanchez, 05:45

• On Aaron Rodgers’ Quiet Brilliance:
  "I've watched a lot of quarterback play this year. I think Aaron has figured out on the fly...not throwing the ball into trouble."
  — Colin Cowherd, 06:44

• On Young Teams Struggling to Close:
  "There is something about young teams...they don’t quite know how to seal games when they’re the better team. And it’s a thing. It’s a skill."
  — Colin Cowherd, 18:46

• On Officials, Winners, and Reputation:
  "I don’t think it’s rigged. I think it’s the advantage of being successful in life. It’s like the advantage of being tall or good looking. People just assume you know what you're talking about."
  — Colin Cowherd, 37:09

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:34 — Mark Sanchez on Josh Allen, Brock Purdy, and the 49ers’ changing offensive climate
• 06:24 — Rodgers’ adaptation, the undervalued part of quarterbacking, and Steelers outlook
• 09:17 — Daniel Jones’ rebirth with the Colts and quarterback context
• 18:36 — Packers and Seahawks: youth, finishing close games, and learning to win
• 21:11 — Trevor Lawrence’s development track, coaching chaos, and Jags’ identity
• 31:13 — Patriots' QB Drake May’s ascent and what remains for New England’s rebuild
• 35:49 — Jets’ struggles, Sauce Gardner’s complaints, and the psychology of NFL officiating
• 40:02 — Trade targets for Rams and Chargers; rapid-fire picks and NFL storylines

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Episode Tone and Style

The conversation is high-energy, direct, and laced with gentle ribbing and friendly disagreement—trademarks of The Herd. Cowherd’s no-nonsense, “big picture” approach is counterbalanced by Mark Sanchez’s player’s perspective and Drew Franklin’s quick wit. Strategic questions about team sustainability, quarterback development, and NFL culture drive the talk, with a focus both on stats and the less quantifiable intangibles (“finishing” games, leadership, learning to win).

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Conclusion

This episode is a must-listen for NFL fans interested in the deeper mechanics behind quarterback play, under-the-hood team dynamics, and how front offices think about building and “finishing” winning franchises. Sanchez’s player insights meld well with Cowherd’s big-picture takes, making for a fun, rapid-fire hour with actionable analysis and strong week-ahead predictions.

Transcript

[Mandy Money]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Matt Jones]

Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Oh my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining and twice a week that is exactly, exactly what you're going to get. Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Colin Cowherd]

Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the [e-mail] or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or F.

[Drew Franklin]

Now let's get this party started.

[Matt Jones]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, he played 10 years in the NFL. He's got a new digital and YouTube show called Rear View. Mark Sanchez is joining us live. Your guest was Josh Allen, who is, I think honestly is the most talented quarterback Just physical traits I've ever seen in my life. He's a small town kid. Tell the audience the story about he and his dad and their new business venture.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, they actually have this partnership with wonderful pistachios. And Josh Allen is from Fireball, which is outside of Fresno central California, known for produce and farming and agriculture. So he's a small town farm kid and him and his dad had their first yield of crops, pistachios. And it takes five years. The last time I talked to him about it was exactly five years ago. So he's fired up about this partnership and we got to break that down a little bit and his agricultural skills and also talk a little bit about this occupation he has playing quarterback in the NFL. So it was fun.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. It is remarkable how many of these great quarterbacks grew up as small town kids. It is unbelievable, the numbers, if you go back. So, you know, I was saying this about Brock Purdy. When Brock Purdy was FBS the four years he started Iowa State, the reason he dropped in the draft is he led college football in interceptions. He was a little small and he threw a lot of picks. So he goes to Kyle Shanahan system and you don't see a lot of picks. He cleaned it up, but now he's playing hurt. And that people, fans don't understand. You're forcing things, you're playing hurt. Maybe you don't have quite the velocity. And now he's making more and more mistakes. My take is some of this is just the injuries because I thought from college to pro mark, I thought he had kind of cleaned it up. I thought his judgment was very good. Where do you think the interceptions come from? He's obviously not totally healthy. That's. Is that part of it?

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, that's a huge part of it. And I think he went from a steady distributor type point guard to a guy who's got to score a lot more. And they're leaning on him a lot more to make plays with, you know, a different type of roster than he came into the league with. Remember, he had guys like Brandon Iuk, George Kittle, Debo Samuel, and then halfway through the first year, he started to get Christian McCaffrey. So three of those guys are all pros or pro Bowlers, perennial All pros and pro Bowlers. And they all knew the system. They've been in the system for years. So he just has to look at a wristband, spit out a call and go do his job. Now he's working with different players, younger players, first year Second year players that he doesn't have a ton of rapport with. And it puts you in a position where sometimes you get a little riskier with the football and sometimes you just kind of press a little bit. And I feel like that's kind of where he's at. He's trying to overcompensate for injuries and lack of personnel around him. I do think if you get into the argument of him versus Mac Jones starting, I still think even with the toe injury, he gives you a little more mobility. But yes, there's some of those riskier decisions, you know, that kind of echo from his college days that seem to be cleaned up. Also, I would argue that the pocket is, you know, not as clean as he's normally used to, so he's having to move around quite a bit. They're showing a little age on the offensive line and then they're starting some young guys. Connor Colby, the left guard, is starting in place of, of Banks and Burford and all the guards that they've gone through. So there's. Bottom line is I don't care if you're Steve Young, Joe Montana, you need guys around you. And even if those guys came back into play right now, the best ability would be Steve Young's legs. Because, you know, it's tough finding completions right now for San Francisco and they're still 3 and 1. Don't forget all this being said, they're 3 and 1, so they're still in prime position. They got a big one tomorrow night.

[Colin Cowherd]

So one of the things, you know, I've said this about presidents before a long time ago, is they never get credit for the mistakes they avoid. Like, like, you know, there's decisions that could be made, we don't know behind the scenes, the President goes, we're not going to do that. You don't get credit for stuff you don't do. But this happens in life sometimes. You could be a husband, you could be a quarterback.

[Drew Franklin]

You.

[Colin Cowherd]

You. I think Aaron Rodgers is the lowest rated PFF quarterback. And I said timeout. I said timeout. I've watched a lot of quarterback play this year. I think Aaron has figured out on the fly and I thought he did it in Dublin. Multiple O line injuries with Minnesota Vikings right out of the gate. Got a great pass rush. And Aaron said, not throwing the ball into trouble, I'm throwing this ball underneath. I'm getting completions. I'm going to let our defense win. And I'm just, I'm, I'm saying that's what I Saw but his he's got. He's low graded by pff. And their takeaway is he doesn't throw the ball down the field. And I'm like, I'm watching Minnesota's old line can't protect Carson. He shouldn't throw the ball down the field. And you're laughing at this why?

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I just. Okay, 11:21 Pacific Time Colin Coward is defending Aaron Rodgers.

[Colin Cowherd]

I am.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't know if I've heard that. Give me 22nd. This could be a full. Colin, what's going on? We flipped the script here. Listen, I totally agree with you. I think, you know, he's the veteran conductor of the orchestra. It's not flashy but he's going to get the whole group in sync and hit every note. Reminder this division is theirs for the taking. With Joe Burrow down, with Lamar Jackson down for who knows how long with the hamstring, I mean they're playing Dylan Gabriel and Jake Browning. Next are their two starting quarterbacks that they're going against. So they finally figured out how to use DK Metcalf and that took some time. You know, they don't have a ton of time on task. Aaron and DK and then Arthur Smith getting him involved and understanding that's exactly what he does best. What we're watching on this highlight, he's a catch and run guy. He's a big body, contested ball defender, catcher like that. That's exactly the way you want to utilize him. And when it's available, you take it. When it's not, you're going to have to go dink and dunk and do some other stuff to get the ball down the field, get the run game going. But he's got plenty of gas left in the tank and he's got plenty for deep balls and all those splashed plays. But they're going to have to generate some of those splash plays on screens, wide receiver screens, halfback screens, tight end screens. That's where they're going to get some of their stuff because they're not just a launch it down the field type of team, but this post bye week for them. They're on bye week right now. I mean it's set up pretty nice for them to potentially run the table in the AFC North.

[Colin Cowherd]

So you have the Raiders at the Colts this weekend and I'm watching the Rams Colts game and I'm texting a friend and I think J. Mac may have been one of the people. I'm like, first of all, in these O line in these teams Good. They got dudes. Indy's a good team. And I said second. Okay, he's not Stafford, but Daniel Jones is making big boy throws. Daniel Jones is playing with a ton of confidence. His second interception. It's late. You don't have much time. I don't even. I don't care. I. I'll say it. I never gave up on Sam Darnold. I gave up on Daniel Jones. I don't even know what I'm watching. I mean, seriously, Mark, I'm watching him. I'm like, oh, that's a starting quarterback in the NFL. Big moves, big arm. I. Are you surprised? A little.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, just add them to the list of former New York players that leave and go have success. I don't care whether you're Giants or Jets. I mean, it's. It's incredible to see Xavier McKinney, Saquon Berkley, Leo Williams, Daniel Jones. Just add them to the list. So what Shane Steichen has done as assembled a roster, a strong offensive unit, a strong offensive line that can keep the pocket clean. They got a great run game. I love their running back. And they have everything that Daniel Jones had in the year he went to the playoffs and won a game on the road in Minnesota with the New York Giants. I mean, it looks very similar. Remember, they had Saquon Barkley that year and, you know, now they're working with Jonathan Taylor. It's like a very similar setup. The guy is surgical. He's an intelligent player. He's more athletic than people give him credit for. You see some of his scrambles. I mean, this guy can pick up 15 to 25 yards like that. And then, you know, they got this rookie tight end, this Ty Warren kid, Tyler Warren, out of Penn State. I mean, he's a big body, all of six. Six big catch radius. And he's still a rookie. He's still trying to figure it out. And he's making this kind of contribution early. I mean, this is scary. They have plenty of talent in that division. I think it's kind of them and Jacksonville right now, at least out of the gates this first month of the season that can. That can really make a run in that division. And that thing's wide open for those two teams.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Jason McIntyre]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Matt Jones]

Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining and twice a week that is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different.

[Drew Franklin]

Did you see the Colts pretzel?

[Matt Jones]

That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Looks like something that should not be sold. Oh my. So that was my other big Colts take away. Sold that.

[Drew Franklin]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Might want to go back to the Colt Stadium.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, Might want to go back to.

[Matt Jones]

The drawing board on that. Yeah. I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well.

[Drew Franklin]

It's worked for generations.

[Matt Jones]

We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry.

[Drew Franklin]

I wouldn't fight him.

[Matt Jones]

I would listen to NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Tyler]

College football season is here and you know what that means.

[Colin Cowherd]

Your team is going to break your heart three times probably before Halloween. Uh huh.

[Tyler]

But fear not, the Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss. An impossible comeback.

[Colin Cowherd]

Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport.

[Tyler]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Tyler]

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[Colin Cowherd]

By the way, Ashton Genty, breakout game. That's not a great O line. You're looking at film. He kind of, you know, I mean it's Boise State. It's a big jump up. It's not a great O line. What did you make of his performance Well, I thought.

[Drew Franklin]

I thought they had an excellent performance last week. I think Austin Powers, Jackson does a good job for them up front. He's their right guard, has played center as well. Now they're going with Meredith at center. But they also just lost Colton Miller, their left tackle that they really loved at ucla. So that's going to be huge. Who's going to step in? But I loved his ascension. And remember this division, the AFC west, it's a street fight every week. All those teams want to run the ball, whether you're Sean Payton in the Broncos, you know, Pete Carroll and the Raiders, Chip Kelly, they want to run the football. Joe Harbaugh, they want to run the football with the guys they have. They want to control the clock, own time of possession and just wear you down and then knock you out at the end of games. So this, this division is right where they want it. It's just. Do we have enough playmakers in the past game for when people pack the box? Because that's what teams are going to do, especially after this breakout game. They're going to just load up the box and force Geno Smith to beat everybody with, you know, Trey Tucker, Jacoby Myers and you know, Brock Bowers, who's wearing that knee brace because he got nicked up a little bit early in this season. So that's going to be where they have to take their next step. And they played poorly this past week, and they still had a chance to win it with a field goal. The Bears blocked the field goal and that ended the game. But even with all those mistakes and guys that aren't quite household names on their roster, they found a way to play some inspired football. And Coach Carroll has this unit playing really well. So they just dropped one. You know, kind of a tough loss at home, especially now they go on the road to Indy. So we have that game this week.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I've two questions. One of them will be tape, but here's my last question before tape. So I watched the packers and I said they're the youngest team in the league. And there is something. Remember when Seattle lost to San Francisco week one, and I thought they outplayed him. There is something about young teams. Seattle's young, Green Bay's young. There is sometimes with young teams, they don't quite know how to seal games when they're the better team. And it's a thing. It's a skill. There's a reason Kansas City wins all these close games in Philadelphia. It's a skill. And I think, and I watch Green Bay and Dallas and I'm like, they just don't the clock, they're just quite not there. That was my interpretation. Jordan loves, but great, he's playing great football. You got a terrific coach, they're going to be fine. But it's the process of winning games against inferior opposition. And I think it's harder than fans and media think that it's a skill. Or am I just fishing here and you don't buy it?

[Drew Franklin]

No, that's 100% true. These are learned traits. And then soon it becomes part of who you are and how you the coaches teach it. But until the players, you know, handle it and experience it, then they go back to the well for more saying, okay, that worked, I trust you, let's keep this going. But the analogy for them really is like that, that little league team that's like the 10 year olds and they kind of stay together because they've been the youngest team in the league for like three years. So they kind of stay together at 10 years old. But they're playing up a division against the 12 and 13 year olds. So by the time they get there and they're 12 and 13, it's like, hey, we've done this for a while now we just got to go prove it. We didn't win all the tournaments before, but now we got a shot in the finals every time. Now it's just doing it a couple of times and then it turns into riding a bike. Like teams you're talking about like the Chiefs, they just know how to win at the end. And the first way to finish games is to stop beating yourselves. Turnovers and penalties, as soon as they eliminate those or even cut them in half, it's a no brainer. And they might start lapping teams, they might start winning by 14 points if they get their stuff together. So I think most NFL games are truly are lost and you don't have to go steal them at the end. One team will just end up giving the game away. And so they're a young, deep, resilient group that can survive this war of attrition that is injuries. You know, it seems like they've been pretty healthy, so they have a chance to run the table in their division. And I like where they're headed, but you're right, it's all about finishing.

[Colin Cowherd]

Finally. I watched the Niners and the Jags. First of all, the Niners special teams have been lacking to be diplomatic for about three or four years and that was a part of the game. You know, Trevor Lawrence I loved him in college and there have been moments in the NFL you got to play. You want to show. Where are you with Trevor Lawrence?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, it's interesting because that was, that was a huge part of our broadcast last week. And you know, I don't want to be a quarterback apologist. You know, the numbers are the numbers. He's got over 70 turnovers in his career. And at this point in your career going into year five, that's not okay. But you look at the surrounding, the supporting cast and the environment he's been in. Four different head coaches, four or five different coordinators. Finally he has a coordinator that comes from that Shanahan McVeigh kind of tree that gives him options at the line of scrimmage. This is one of the first times he's really had to go through an entire. You hear these quarterbacks, they can, can, can. Well, they're going up to the line of scrimmage with multiple plays and when they say can they throw a play in the trash can and get to a new completely audible. Which he did and won a game against Houston after playing poorly against an all out cover zero blitz. So he's doing a lot of this stuff and going through this can criteria for each single run going run to run, run to pass, run to run to pass, pass to pass. I mean, he hasn't had to do as much of that and that hasn't been on his plate. His plate is completely full. He's got a center, thank God, who's been in the system before. I felt that with Mangold when I got to New York as a rookie. There's a lot to handle in the run game. And so I think he's finally getting a chance to get these guys in the right play, give them an advantageous shot at each down. And you know, he took care of the football last week, looked really good. And part of it is the scheme. So we're going to go to the tape and I'll show you exactly what they're doing on the goal line. They're using their big personnel, using the best five or six skill guys they can get on the field and they're putting defenders in a bind. You see a ton of teams do this. You see McVay do this with Stafford, you see all the pre snap motion and movement, different personnel. So you're going to see the motion. It's going to look like run. This has to look, feel and smell like run because everybody's playing man to man across the board. And if you can get these Guys to bite and get to these specific spots with the right distribution. After you show the presence of run and the threat of run, it makes these guys hesitate on defense for just half a second, and that's all you need to buy. On a quick play fake downhill, you see Hunter long hit the end. Michael Williams, the rookie trying to make up for Nick Bosa and his big injury on the defensive line for San Francisco. And there goes Siegel, the rookie having to play again. Number 36, he's playing man to man against the tight end and also has to go fit up that run. If he gets the ball, the halfback, he's got to go hit that guy. And so Trevor places this ball beautifully upstairs for his big target to go grab it. Plenty of route distribution, and it looks a lot different for him. But the real magic I see is, you know, him being able to get these reps under his belt. He's drinking through a fire hose. Don't. Don't get it twisted. He is learning a lot on the fly and doing things he's never done before. Footwork under center, making checks at the line. But the real secret sauce is this Anthony Campanelli defense. Look at this turnover reel. This is just from one game. I mean, teams would love to have this highlight reel of all these punch outs, these tip ball interceptions. Brock Purdy's trying to run like a little trick shot kind of play. Throw it back to the halfback. Boom. Tip ball, Devin Lloyd, right in your grill. Tip ball, Devin Lloyd, same story. And then look at this punch. Dennis Gardek, a castaway from Arizona and the Cardinals, finds a home in Jacksonville. And then your former 49er Arik Armstead, who was a pillar on that D line for years, punches the ball out. And here comes four year Luka and, you know, encroaching on a thousand tackles in his career already. I mean, they got guys that are completely sold out and bought in to taking the football away. They're not happy with making the offense punt. They want the ball back. And that's it. There's no bones about it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Mark Sanchez, as always, money, and Josh Allen on Rear View with Mark. Watch. These are great episodes. If. If it was, I would. I would buy that new show if it was available at your Fox property. And I can't. All right, good seeing you. Yeah, good stuff. We'll do Herdline after the break. And, you know, these, these baseball series, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna throw it out there. Padres even it up today. Padres even it up Dodgers win again. Yankees even it up. All right, one more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. The Toyota Certified Used Vehicle Sales Event is here. It is packed with great surprises. Choose from a wide selection of low mileage vehicles all backed by Toyota with warranty that begin on the date of purchase. Because when it comes to quality, the best new cars make the best used cars. Every certified Toyota undergoes a thorough quality assurance inspection before it even reaches the lot so you can drive away with confidence. With over 7 million sold, there's a certified Toyota for every lifestyle, from efficient commuters to family friendly SUVs. Each vehicle comes with added benefits like roadside assistance and features you expect, including Bluetooth connectivity. But hurry these great offers and November 3rd Toyota certified used Vehicle Sales event where every surprise is a great one. So don't miss your chance. Find your certified Toyota today. Inventory may vary by dealer, participating dealers only. Comprehensive and powertrain are limited warranties. See TCUV warranty supplement, toyota certified.com or your Toyota dealer for details. From date of Toyota Certified Used Vehicle Purchase Program available in continental US And Canada. See TCUV Warranty Supplement for details. A compatible Bluetooth enabled phone must be paired. Phone and performances depend on software coverage and carrier. The Bluetooth word mark and logos are registered trademarks of Bluetooth. SIG Inc. Use of such marks by Toyota is Under license. See toyota.com for details.

[Matt Jones]

Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining and twice a week that is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different.

[Drew Franklin]

Did you see the Colts pretzel?

[Matt Jones]

That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Looks like something that should not be sold. Oh my. So that was my other big Colts takeaway. They sold that?

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Might want to go back to the Colts stadium.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I might want to go back.

[Matt Jones]

To the drawing board on that. Yeah, I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well.

[Drew Franklin]

It's worked for generations.

[Matt Jones]

We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us today throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry. I I wouldn't fight him. I would listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Mandy Money]

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[Colin Cowherd]

I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello and we're the Solid Verbal College Football Podcast.

[Tyler]

College football season is here and you know what that means.

[Colin Cowherd]

Your team is going to break your heart three times probably before Halloween. Uh huh.

[Tyler]

But fear not, the Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback.

[Colin Cowherd]

Join us all season long, all year long as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport.

[Tyler]

Whether you're a die hard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and of course celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan.

[Colin Cowherd]

We don't just love college football Ty, we live it.

[Tyler]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Good stuff today. Mark Sanchez, Joel Clatt. Lot of baseball. Really fun day yesterday. We'll be as well today a JMAC with the news.

[Matt Jones]

No no no no.

[Drew Franklin]

Turn on the news.

[Matt Jones]

This is the Herdline news.

[Jason McIntyre]

Let's talk about Drake May and the New England Patriots. Colin May had a good, good performance against the hapless Panthers Easy dub for me on that one. Three total touchdowns for May. How about this? He's leading the league at 74% completions. I mean, May is really cooking right now. In a recent radio appearance, Pat's former cornerback Ty Law believes New England has found their guy.

[Drew Franklin]

He is the guy.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's.

[Drew Franklin]

He's proven himself. This is the second year when people, you know, when you, when quarterbacks tend to either they make progress or they regress. In the second year for Drake, May to make a step forward, which we've seen some quarterbacks in the past, they took a step back in their second year. I think this is a good sign for New England. Now you got to get some pieces around him so he can continue that success. But I think we now we finally have our successor to Tom Brady.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, no, I think it's absolutely true. He's big. His thing was he had the Justin Herbert comp. The difference is he wasn't polished. But look at what they have, the five things that are very important in the NFL. Good owner, good head coach, excellent offensive coordinator, left tackle, quarterback. And they have one elite corner like this league, Indianapolis, for years I've been arguing had a good roster. But before Daniel and Shane Steichen hooked up, they couldn't get the quarterback right. It's not about being a perfect roster. Do you get the owner, the coach, the offensive coordinator, the quarterback, left tackle, one elite weapon and somebody on the defensive front. Now they don't have an elite weapon. I think their running backs are both BB plus running backs. But I mean I, I do think your AJ Brown discussion is smart. The thing they lack to be a team that can win playoff games is a weapon. I think else now they're young. Drake's young, Will Campbell's young, Henderson's young. It's a new staff. They're not, they're not a multiple playoff win team. But, but, but they could win a playoff game if you gave them an A.J. brown to me, one playoff game.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay, so I largely agree with you, but you know, I'm not here to ball wash you. We disagree and we, I think we make the audience smarter. Colin, I'm going to tell you the four opponents that Drake's May has faced this year, okay, The Vegas Raiders, that's a bottom five defense in the league. The Miami Dolphins, bottom five defense in the league. Pittsburgh Steelers this season so far, bottom five. And then Carolina, which is just awful. So I like May. Remember I was higher on him than Jaden Daniels. I took a lot of flack for that I believe in May. I just need to see a little more now. I don't know if we'll see that against Buffalo this week because Spencer Rattler moved the football up and down the field against Buffalo and then May faces the Saints. So I don't really know what to. I don't want to go full all in on May. Are you ready to do that? You're saying he's the. He's the guy?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I said in that draft I liked every quarterback in his class. J.J. mcCarthy had reservations. I still believe in all of them. I think Penix is inconsistent. So is Caleb. But I'm. I think they're. I think they're. Once you get the quarterback and the head coach right, as a fan, just renew your season tickets, get a better bargain. Buy them for the next three years because they're going north. Miami is circling the drain. The jets are perpetually circling the drain. Josh is going to mostly win the division, but this is going to be a playoff team going forward. Okay, They've got to upgrade somewhere on.

[Jason McIntyre]

The sideline scenario, Broncos stun the Eagles. A.J. brown has three catches for 40 yards and he's pissed again. Do the Patriots pick up the phone and say, listen, we're close. Well, let's go get A.J.

[Colin Cowherd]

Brown. Yes.

[Jason McIntyre]

Let's put, let's put a second and a fourth on the table and see if they do it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes. Because they're a very, very. First of all, they don't have a ton of absolute urgent needs. I think their O line needs to just keep getting better and I think they need a weapon offensively. But the truth is you're never going to. Once you pay May in a couple years. You've got now because of Drake May's contract, you got two years, maybe three, but yet to go big game fishing. So Drake May's a guy I would pay early. Why? You know, he got Jaden Daniels. Pay him early, Bo Nix those kind of guys. I'd pay a year early to get a better deal on the contract because you're going to have to pay them. I don't want to. You know, the way it works with quarterbacks, the longer you wait, the uglier it gets for the team, 100%. But I think you have two full years with Drake May. If you're going to go big game hunting, you have a major need on the. And you have not, as an organization, drafted that position well at all.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, let's go to my Jets. Listen, we're not going to be talking about. About them A lot this season because they stink. They are.04. Titans are winless. Saints are winless. Jets are winless. New York has been the fourth most penalty yards this season. Not good. And my guy, Sauce Gardner, I know jets fans are upset with me for talking about trading him. Well, listen to this nonsense. He's upset with officials, but listen to the logic. Colin.

[Drew Franklin]

I think I get called for more stuff just based off of us just not winning. I watch these winning programs, programs and.

[Matt Jones]

It'D be some egregious things and it.

[Drew Franklin]

Don'T get called like letting the players play. Like I got caught on something today.

[Matt Jones]

Where it's like I know the route.

[Drew Franklin]

Everything and I'm just supposed to let him just push off at the top of the road.

[Matt Jones]

I'm seeing counter steps, all that.

[Drew Franklin]

Like he's not going to catch the ball regardless. I just feel like in general, even the Mike Evans ones, I just feel like us not winning, it's just, that's.

[Colin Cowherd]

Just what goes on. I Can I throw this at you Rams? No. Well, I think it's interesting, I will say this is that there's a reason Mike Krzyzewski was hard on refs because it probably got him a couple calls. And there I do believe that Belichick for years was so respected. His corners were so handsy and so physical and Bill was so respected and they were so physical that some stuff you just let go. Jerry Sloan, the late great coach of Utah, they were so physical and so chippy, you couldn't call everything. And I, and I do think when you're a bad team, you know, and the game is, let's say, out of hand, you don't get that call. They're just going to a refs going to say, I'm just going to call it. And when a game is tight and it's close and it's a winning team with a legendary coach, I don't think it's rigged. I think it's the advantage of being successful in life. It's like the advantage of being tall or good looking. People just assume you know what you're talking about. I think being on a successful team in close games late a lot of times officials almost subliminally swallow a whistle and let them play. And you don't do that in blowouts and you don't do it on bad teams. You just sort of, it's almost innate. You're like, well, they're slow, sloppy, they're not well coached and you're more willing to call something if Sauce Gardner was on the rams and Sean McVeigh's on that sideline and they're in close games. Do you get a little extra sometimes? I think you do. I really do.

[Jason McIntyre]

Listen, I know jets fans aren't happy. I, I, I, I want what's best for the team. I like Sauce Gardner. Colin, how about from our crack investigative staff here? Sauce is the highest paid cornerback or defensive back in the NFL. He has one interception in the last 43 games. I know it's not all about picks, but one in 43 games?

[Colin Cowherd]

Let me ask you.

[Jason McIntyre]

Don't tell me they're not throwing at him. Come on.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, let me ask you this. When you lead the jets in the fourth quarter, why throw? I mean seriously, if you go look at the interception leaders in the NFL right now, I bet you some of them are on teams that lead games in the fourth quarter, forcing teams to throw even if they have a second tier quarterback and a patchwork offensive line. The jets trail late. Why would I have to throw dangerously towards Sauce Gardner?

[Jason McIntyre]

So you see on the screen there, Jets Cowboys Fox game. So we will talk about it. Cowboys favor by two and a half. Why are they not three? Colin, I have not bet the jets since the opener.

[Colin Cowherd]

Upset alert. Thank you.

[Jason McIntyre]

Jets are winning outright.

[Colin Cowherd]

Final story. I like the jets there.

[Jason McIntyre]

Jaden Daniels has missed two weeks due to knee injury. However, Dan Quinn says Daniels has been medically cleared and he is practicing in full today. Marcus Mariota started the last two games. They beat the Raiders and then look kind of hapless against the. I forget. Oh, the Falcons. So Daniels against the Commanders. Big one. I think it is a great game. Do you have a lean here with Daniel's back running? Running quarterbacks have given the Chargers problems. Jackson dart last week had like 54 yards on the ground.

[Colin Cowherd]

Chargers have an offensive line issue. So it's really, really hard for me. I think they have a better roster than Washington. I think the Chargers probably bounce back. But when you don't have your tackles, it disrupts everything. Kevin o' Connell last week all banged up on the offensive line. Kevin o' Connell was getting crushed on social media for not adapting and adjusting. How do you do it when you're on third string offensive lineman, you don't want to get people hurt. So it's hard for me to embrace a team with two elite left tackles. I mean Justin Herbert's getting whacked like 14, 15 times a game.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, real quick, we know. Let's say Joe all comes back Chargers. You had them in their Super Super Bowl.

[Colin Cowherd]

Bubble.

[Jason McIntyre]

Do you make a splash and go after maybe a right tackle on a team that's not contending and say, hey, can we get this guy? Do you trade for one of those, thinking you could compete this year? Or do you say, no, we're going to stay the course?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, because you got two great tackles. They're both hurt. I wouldn't do that. I think the Chargers are fine. They just. I may. You know what I may do? I may pick up a running back at the trade deadline because Harris is out, and I don't want to give Hampton 23 carries. I think they have to. You know, Denver went and got Harvey in the draft, and then they went and got J.K. dobbins, and it ended up being a really good pick. I think that the Chargers should look for another back H. Interesting. Okay, J. Mac with the news.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, that's the news, and thanks for.

[Matt Jones]

Stopping by the Herd line.

[Colin Cowherd]

What's a bad team with a good running back? Ask yourself that.

[Jason McIntyre]

Let me look at the Panthers.

[Colin Cowherd]

Chuba Hubbard.

[Jason McIntyre]

Did they pay him too much?

[Colin Cowherd]

All right.

[Jason McIntyre]

I don't know. I mean, if you're the Panthers, you're selling again. If I'm not giving up Breeze Hall, I know a lot of people are going to call Breeze hall looks like he's got some pop with the Jets. He's had a good season. Tennessee Titans.

[Colin Cowherd]

How about the Wisconsin running back? The backup?

[Jason McIntyre]

He's about to go on ir, so I, you know, he got banged up. That's interesting. Does he have. Are you seeing, like. It feels like he got old quick. I. I don't know.

[Colin Cowherd]

He.

[Jason McIntyre]

He's the. The young guy. Ken Kendry, Miller or something like that. He looked better than Alvin Kamara, but that's not a bad. I like where your head is at. I love this NFL trade stuff.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I think the Rams need a corner, the Chargers need a running back, and I like the jets to upset the Cowboys this week.

[Jason McIntyre]

Boy, we're in. We're synergistic once again with some of our picks. Colts, Colts, Raiders. That was one of your favorites.

[Colin Cowherd]

My favorite pick of the week is the Colts over the Raiders. That's my favorite pick of the week.

[Jason McIntyre]

I just have some PTSD from Daniel Jones with the Giants. I don't know that I can trust that guy. I want to take Joe. Colts and Survivor. I'm not gonna lie.

[Colin Cowherd]

Another one is New England's getting a lot of points in a division rivalry game, and a team, New England, can run the ball.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, I don't think that's bad.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right, we're done for today. First things first. Up next, the show with no budget, the Toyota Certified Used Vehicle Sales event is here. It is packed with great surprises. Choose from a wide selection of low mileage vehicles, all backed by Toyota, with warranties that begin on the date of purchase. Because when it comes to quality, the best new cars make the best used cars. So don't miss your chance. Find your certified Toyota today. But hurry. These Great offers end November 3rd. Toyota Certified used Vehicle Sales event, where every surprise is a great one. Inventory may vary by dealer. Participating dealers only. Comprehensive and powertrain are limited warranties. See TCUV warranty supplement ToyotaCertified.com or your Toyota dealer for details.

[Matt Jones]

Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different.

[Drew Franklin]

Did you see the Colts pretzel?

[Matt Jones]

That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Oh, my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're gonna get. Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your pod.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm Dan. He's Ty. Hello. And we're the solid verbal college football podcast.

[Tyler]

Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan.

[Colin Cowherd]

Join us all season long as we ride the rollercoaster of this ridiculous sport.

[Tyler]

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[Colin Cowherd]

We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it.

[Mandy Money]

Do we really need another podcast with a condescending finance bro trying to tell us how to spend our own money? No, thank you. Instead, check out Brown Ambition. Each week, I, your host, Mandy Money gives you real talk, real advice with a heavy dose of I feel useless. Like on Fridays when I take your questions for the baqa. Whether you're trying to invest for your future, navigate a toxic work place, I got you. Listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an iHeart podcast.