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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 3 - The Broncos defense is legit, the problems with JJ McCarthy, don't give up on Seattle, Mark Schlereth
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Colin Cowherd
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Mark Schlereth
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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Colin Cowherd
Boy lives in Denver, Three time Super bowl champ was with the Broncos for several years and now Mark Schlerith as Fox Sports NFL analyst. So you get the weekend off this weekend and you can watch football while many of us were watching Kansas City and Denver. And you know, it was interesting about Bo Nix is that and I think Caleb Williams falls into that. It's uneven. It, it's you kind of feel like Bo Nick should run more. The Bears do run more as a team. I, I, I keep coming down. This is something that really impresses me about Bo Nick. He has thrown the most passes in the league since he arrived. And I said this earlier, the greatest compliment that a parent can give a child at an early age is responsibility. I trust you. Picking up your sister at school. I trust you. I'm leaving. Babysit your brothers and sisters. Sean Payton has basically done what Andrew Luck felt with Bruce Arians. Here's the whole playbook. Go for it. And that's hard. They got a lot of penalties. So my takeaway and all the Bo stuff is Sean Payton is telling me, listen, I'm giving you the whole playbook. I'm giving you, the Drew Brees playbook, Big Ben didn't get that. I don't think Caleb's gotten that. That, to me is a real thing. Your thoughts on that, that theory or that opinion?
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Mark Schlereth
Yeah, I think you're. I think you're 100% right. You know, I've talked about it here a bunch on local radio, on my podcast. There are times when I'm like, hey man, the answer is always simplify. Yeah, like if you're having issues with penalties, you're having issues with offensive, you know, production. If you're having issues lining up and you've got holding calls and you got procedural penalties and all those, normally what you say is amen, it's too complicated. And offensively, you know, by the way, you motion a bunch of guys in there, you're shifting formations, you're getting in play in late, all that stuff. Usually the answer, or it's always been in my case, is simplify this. Let's make it easier on our players. And I think one of the things Sean is saying to you is we've got a defense that's a championship caliber defense, is a historic type defense. Right. So we have that aspect and we've got a quarterback who can handle it. And what he's saying is, I'm not worried right now about the regular season. We'll win games based on our defense in the regular season to get where we want to go, which is a world championship. We need the full complement of offensive plays. We need everything. So if I simplify, then I'm not developing. If I simplify, I'm not putting my quarterback with the most weapons available when we get to the playoffs. If I simplify, I'm doing disservice to my football team. So I'm going to put us in a tough position. I am not going to, I'm not going to pare down the offense. I'm not going to quit with my personnel packages. I'm not going to quit using motions and shifts. I'm going to load it on my quarterback. He's going to play in gun because I think this is the best way for us to have a championship run. And I think that's what Sean Payton is telling you right now, is that I'm not going to do the things that make the most sense because those things aren't going to help me come playoff time.
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Colin Cowherd
So it was a different era, but when you played with Elway, Elway could throw picks. Peyton Manning threw a lot of picks. Eli Manning threw a lot of picks in Fact, Aaron Rodgers was one of the first quarterbacks where you got a lot of upside without picks. Generally the great ones, the Namath Farve, John Elway, you threw double digit picks. And I've always defended. I want my quarterbacks to take risks. If you go look at Andrew Luck, he had nine games in his career with nine plus with three plus picks, same as Sam Darnold. So we look at Darnold and we go, he's a disaster. No Andrew Luck, five of his six seasons had double digit picks. I think Luck's more talented than Darnold, but that was kind of my comp out of college. There's a little bit of Andrew Luck there. Little reckless, but man, has he got an arm. And man, man, is he a playmaker when you play.
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Mark Schlereth
I think one of the other.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah.
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Mark Schlereth
I think one of the other things with Sam Darnold is, listen, man, you, you went to the jets and that was a disaster as it is for a lot of people who go to the jets. And so you know, that was a mess. And then you go to Carolina where they're running a collegiate style of offense. Then you choose to go to San Francisco where you had other options, but you choose because you want to be coached by Kyle Shanahan. And progression, progression, a progression off. Then you go to Minnesota and they decide they don't want you. I think sometimes you get to the point where you're trying to press, where you're trying to you to earn, you know, the contract that you got. And ultimately for Sam Darnold, you just got to say, dude, you earned this thing, man. You're that good. And all you have to be right now is judicious with the football because we've got a football team that is phenomenal. And you think about what happened. I thought the Rams going into last weekend were the best team in the National Football League. You turn the ball over four times, you give the Rams four short fields and you lose a game 21 to 19, you should lose that game, 41 to 19, right. That's how you should lose it. That defense is that good. And oh, by the way, Seattle gets into the red zone several times and they end up kicking what, four field goals. Like I. There are certain games calling you walk away from as a player, even though it's a loss, where you go, we're damn good.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Mark Schlereth
And I think Seattle would look at this game in Sofi against the Rams team that was hot. And you're sitting there going, dude, we get those guys on a neutral site. We win that game, we should have won that game right there. And you actually feel pretty good about what you were able to accomplish in kind of a tough environment that didn't go your way. So that's kind of how I would look at that. If I'm Sam Darnold. Quit trying to impress people. You've already won the job. You're already that good. You've had a phenomenal season, man. Just don't turn the ball over.
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Colin Cowherd
So, you know, you were lucky. You had really good quarterback play. But it doesn't mean every quarterback you played with was the right fit or the right talent. And I think you can fool a lot of people. You can never fool the locker room. You can never fool pro athletes. And I watch JJ McCarthy and I'm like, they got a, they got a tool set here that's a good tool belt. I got Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, a good running back, good coach, good left tackle. Give me a time in your career when you just knew the quarterback wasn't it. And what do players say privately that they won't say publicly? What does it do to a locker room?
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Mark Schlereth
Yeah, it's tough when a guy's, you know, struggling. And I've been in, you know, I've been in that situation. What you have to remember is J.J. mcCarthy didn't play a lot in college. You know, he missed his rookie year with the injury. And what I would tell you about J.J. mcCarthy is he's going to the right place. Like when I watch him on film, it's usually going to the right place. It is just inaccurate at times. And he had some drops last weekend against Chicago Bears, but there are just too many throws that are just off target throws. And, and, and most of the time, Colin, even in Denver here, we talked about Bo Nix. When Bo Nix has struggled, it is because he has been so sped up in the pocket that he gets frenetic. Yeah, and when he gets frenetic, you know, he gets almost. He's so quick with his feet and he's so quick in the pocket and he's climbing the pocket that he's ahead of the receivers, you know, coming out of brakes, he's ahead of the receivers and then he's inaccurate with the football. And that's what I see with J.J. mcCarthy. Just his level of inaccuracy or his level of just being sped up in the pocket, almost like he's too anxious. And you've got to have energy in your feet, but you've got to have smooth ability. I used to say this about our colleague Tom Brady all the time. He's the best scrambler I've ever seen. That never left the pocket. And it just was this fluid nature in the pocket where it never looked, you know, rushed, it never looked hurried, it never looked frenetic, it never, it just looked, you know, smooth and it allowed him to throw with unbelievable accuracy. And that's what I see the issue being with McCarthy. There's just way too many off target throws. But the good news for me is I look at it and go, hey, you're going to the right guy. Yeah, you've got the right thought process here. We just got to put these things on target. And that comes from the feet up. You know, you've got to slow your feet down and you got to be a little bit more methodical in the pocket so that you can have some accuracy with your throws.
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Colin Cowherd
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Covino
Hey, we're Covino, Fox Sports Radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern.
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Colin Cowherd
But here's the thing.
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Covino
We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to.
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Rich
And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything honestly, because this guy is over promising things we never have time for.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Yeah, you blubberlips.
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Colin Cowherd
Blaming me.
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Covino
Well, you know what it's called? Over Promise. You should be good at it because you've been over promising women for years.
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Rich
Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're going to be talking sports, of course, but we're also going to talk life and relationships.
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Colin Cowherd
And if Rich and I are arguing.
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Rich
About something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised.
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Covino
Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promised and also uncensored, by the way, so maybe we'll go at it.
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Colin Cowherd
Even a little harder.
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Covino
It's going to be the best after show podcast of all time.
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Rich
There you go, overpromising. And remember, you could see it on YouTube, but definitely. Join us. Listen to Over Promised with Covino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
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Sophie Cunningham
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Colin Cowherd
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Covino
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Colin Cowherd
Let's wrap it up with this. Kansas City is interesting. They won every close game last year. They've lost all of them this year. We know the play calling is good. We know Mahomes is talented. I do think they got to rip the Band aid off here with Travis Kelsey. Like, he's really good about six times a year, but he doesn't. He was never a great blocker. He didn't block at all. Now when you look at Kansas City, do you still put them in that, oh, they could win the whole thing bubble, or do you just. You've been on teams where it's just not right. It's just not the year. How do you feel about them?
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Mark Schlereth
Right. Yeah, I, you know, they're sitting at 5 and 5 right now and you're right. Like, it's not like, hey, coming off a bye week, Andy Reid was 21 and four coming off by weeks. They've got a bye week going into Denver. They knew Denver's defense was legitimate. They knew that the Denver Broncos are playing pretty good football. This is, you know, you don't win this game, you're probably not winning the AFC west for the first time in, what, nine years. Like, they knew all this stuff was on the line and yet they still could not perform in critical moments. Third downs, I think there were five of 16. The Denver Broncos put on a clinic on third down, how to shut down a prolific offense. And they've got their weapons back. So, yes, something's off calling. They don't look like the same football team. Now, listen, at 5 and 5, could I see them fighting their way back into the playoffs? Absolutely. Will they be dangerous? Yeah, they still have the pedigree of Mahomes and Andy Reid and Spags and like, they're still that team, but boy, they're just, they're just a little bit off right now. I still think they're better than Houston. I don't think Houston has an offense. You see Jacksonville up there? I think they're better overall than Jacksonville, though. Jacksonville did beat them on that Monday night game, but yeah, they're. They're kind of on the outside looking in right now, but I still think they're a dangerous football team.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, well, finally, look at Denver. You cover them, you're in that city. If they're. What? Denver is going to win their division. If, if you said there's one team I don't want to play, you're not going to probably play New England. They'll probably win their division. If I said there's one team Denver doesn't match up with as a, as a number one seed, that's not guaranteed. One or two. If they get the one, they get a buy. But is there a team that they've been better in in the regular season? It's a bad matchup for Sean Payton and Bo Nixon, Round one.
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Mark Schlereth
Well, I would say that the team that would scare me on that, of all those teams would probably be Buffalo. And I know that they're, defensively, they're challenged right now. They have not been able to shut down the run game though. The Broncos can't run the ball. They're not, they're not running the ball with great efficiency right now. And they lost J.K. dobbins. But it's just the overall Superman mentality nature, which is a double edged sword, as you know, with Josh Allen. I mean, last weekend, three touchdowns passing, I think two rushing. I mean the guy was phenomenal. And I don't think that's a way to win a championship, but it certainly can, you know, can bounce you out of a playoff game. Without question. They're, they're the team that really concerns me the most.
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Colin Cowherd
Good stuff. Mark Schler, as always, no game this week. You got to sit home and watch games. How much fun is that?
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Mark Schlereth
I know it. How about that? How good is that going to be?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, last week you had Titans, Texans, and I pity you did an excellent job.
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Mark Schlereth
I told everybody on our crew, I go, hey, man, at halftime this is going to be, I guarantee you Tennessee has got a really decent defense. They don't show up because they get worn out. But I guarantee it's going to be a one score game. I didn't realize there would be only one score, three points. That part I didn't realize.
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Colin Cowherd
As always, Mark, good seeing you.
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Mark Schlereth
All right, man. Take care.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mac with the news.
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Mark Schlereth
No, no, no, no.
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Colin Cowherd
Turn on the news. This is the Herdline news. Yes.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
All right, let's get started with the spitting incident from over the weekend.
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Colin Cowherd
Colin. Weird.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
I think this is like the third one of these this season in the NFL. So obviously there was the Jamar Chase Jalen Ramsey dust up which led to Chase spitting. He denied it after the game. One angle clearly, clearly showed, as you can see on the screen there, Chase spat at him. Obviously the NFL decided to suspend him for one game. He's gonna appeal it. He ain't gonna win that. As you can see the video and the line on Bengals Patriots has ballooned up from seven to eight and a half. All of a sudden Patriots have Christian Gonzalez, right? Put him on T. Higgins and go ahead and beat us. Joe Flacco. I like the Patriots here. Colin, I don't like this from Jamar Chase, who overall seems like a good dude. Really good dancer. His celebrations are excellent. But this is Come on.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't get it. I just, I. I don't, I don't know. What drives you to do that?
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Well, not shown here is a right before this. Jalen Ramsey kind of hit him after a pass. It was a hard hit. It was an incomplete pass, really drilled him. And Chase was ticked off, thought it was dirty, so he retaliated with this. But what do they say? Two wrongs don't make a right or something like that? I don't know. I don't make a lot of wrongs, so I'm not saying. But anyway, so Chase suspended Joe Burrow. No word yet. We're keeping an eye on that now. Burrow all of a sudden can play. That changes the calculus of this game. Yeah, but I, I still think the Bengals are toast this season, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. They're not a playoff team. No.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
All right, let's move on to Shadow Sanders. He had his debut in the second half against the Ravens under duress much of the game. It's starting to look like Collins Shador could get the nod for his first NFL start against the Vegas Raiders this weekend. Here's Kevin Stefanski talking about his quarterbacks after practice.
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Mark Schlereth
Shador is putting in great work and you know, on the field, in the meeting room, he will be better with all. With reps that he's getting like any.
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Colin Cowherd
Player would, would be better.
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Mark Schlereth
But we trust him and he's somebody that's. That's continued to put in the work and will continue to do so.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, this is the strangest thing. I always thought Tim Tebow had the most delusional fans. I think shedeurs surpassed that. This idea, this, this criticism of Stefanski. Well, he's not getting a lot of first team reps. Being a backup quarterback means you often, don't you? Do you? Tom Brady would not give his backups first team reps, any of them. The great ones are not giving. If you think Brett Favre was given Aaron Rodgers first team refs as far was getting poked in the ribs by, you know, snarky, funny Aaron Rodgers. This Josh Dobbs won a game in the NFL, threw for 350 yards without a practice. Baker Mayfield with one practice, had a fourth quarter drive to win a game for the Rams. It's a dumb argument. There are certain jobs that you, I mean, it's like, it's a, it's a. You remember they used to have beepers, you know, like you, if you were a reporter or a surgeon, you got people or a drug dealer.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
That's why my parents wouldn't let me get one.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean you get beeped at 3 in the morning.
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Covino
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
You're not always well rested. When you're a surgeon, you're gonna go in sometimes in the middle of a night. That's part of the job description. If you're a quarterback in this league, you're not a starter, you're not getting first team reps. It's called preseason. I mean you may get mop up duty twice a year. So that, that, that is a weak, that's a weak toss at Kevin Stefan, his job. By the way, Dylan Gabriel's a rookie. Why would he give him, why would he not give him every rep at every practice trying to make sure that Dylan Gabriel can stabilize his game. It's not like he's a 13 year old veteran.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Yeah, I, I should point out you mentioned Josh Dos and that was of course a memorable game. His nickname was the Pastronaut, remember? Because he was allegedly like one of the smartest guys out there. He just show up, boom.
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Colin Cowherd
Astrophysicist. Yeah.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Super smart, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
I don't know what Shadour's degree was at Colorado. I'm going to guess it wasn't astrophysic.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, let's just say this. He was very typical of a rookie who was on the scout team that was involved. Injected into a game against a very good team. That's what you look like. Just stop making excuses. You don't get first team reps. I go, go look at, you know, I, I go to Tony Gonzalez's career. Tony Gonzalez was a great tight end who liked to block too. How many times do you think Tony said, hey, back up, we're doing some red zone stuff. Why don't you insert yourself and you can get some reps with my quarterback? That's not the way the sport works. Backups are backups. You don't get first team reps regularly.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
I'll just say this, I watched the Raiders last night. You watch that game. Their defense is not good. Dak did whatever he wanted. Now Dak has better weapons. There's a world where Shador had some success on Sunday. Colin, I'm not going to shock you. I wouldn't be shocked if he throws for 250 yards and they beat the Raiders.
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Colin Cowherd
Honestly, let me ask you this, you love Brock Purdy. How many first team reps do you think he got before Trey Lance and Jimmy G got hurt?
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
None.
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Colin Cowherd
And he stepped in as the last guy taken in the seventh round and was very good first start. He wasn't getting first team rep. So stop making excuses. If you can play, you can play.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Yeah, I'll be rooting for him against the Raiders.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I, I, I, he, he was fine. He wasn't as bad as people say, but he, he runs backwards and Dylan Gabriel doesn't as often and that's a lot of what co giving coaches. What did Ben Johnson say the first thing he wanted to get rid of from Caleb? Negative plays. So Shador has a tendency, he did in college, to take off and run the wrong way. It's like, bro, you're not that athletic. Josh Allen can do that. It's not what you should be doing.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Final story comes to the NBA. Well, LeBron James may may make his season debut tonight against the Utah Jazz at home here at the Crip. LeBron ramped up with the Lakers G league affiliate was at practice. You can see the videos all over Instagram. I'm excited for this one. I know Utah has been up and down. They got a couple, couple guys. They were in like a triple overtime game the other night. LeBron returning is huge, huge for the NBA. I, I know some people don't like LeBron. That's fine. We're talking about the greatest player of all time at his age coming back to the Lakers. The best brand in the NBA, Luca Reeves. Like, there's a lot of fun storylines here. I'm gonna go ahead and go. LeBron plays 15 minutes tonight and you lead the show with the King tomorrow.
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Colin Cowherd
I may. He's gonna take some shots away from Austin Reeves. Not Luca, but Austin. He'll take shots away from Rui and Austin.
- [30:05]
Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Austin Reeves is cool with that. He's a team player. He's not a selfish individual.
- [30:10]
Colin Cowherd
You want that 40 large, better get your shots.
- [30:13]
Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
He's taking a hometown discount. He's already on record. He's, he loves it in Los Angeles. Doesn't want to go to the Bulls, doesn't want to go to Milwaukee Bucks for Giannis.
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Colin Cowherd
He loves La J Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd line News. Nobody's saying LeBron's talent isn't an additive to a team, but I've said before is that Luca, LeBron and Austin Reeves, there's a lot of duplication. They're very good with the ball. I mean, Luca is, is the best offensive player right now in the NBA. He wants the ball and you got to give it to him. He's in his prime. It's skinny jeans Luca. So it there is duplicate this team does not have a rim protector and they're not good enough athletically on the wing defensively. So when you have duplication, you know, it's like a team that that's got excellent running backs but needs some perimeter weapons. If you have three good running backs, move one and get a number two or number three perimeter weapon. So I just it's not that LeBron will make the team worse, but it'll look different. The spacing will be different. Austin Reeves will get fewer looks and Austin's very good with the ball. Right now, Luka's second in usage rate. So the Lakers are winning, giving Luka the ball a lot. LeBron's going to have the ball some. He's going to probably drop in usage rate. Or Austin Reeves is so the offense won't look the same or feel quite the same. Yeah, we'll see how it works out. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Breaking news not everything's terrible. We repeat, not everything is terrible. The Ripple Effect is proof that the Internet hasn't ruined humanity entirely. Hosted by Jenna Kim Jones, it's funny and uplifting Podcast spotlights the quiet, powerful ways people still choose good. Each episode features real stories of kindness, of barbers changing more than just their client's haircut, of the secret life, of leftover hotel soap, of vending machines that dispense just the help somebody needs. Like magic. If you're tired of outrage, if your thumbs are sore from doom scrolling, or if you just need a reason to smile again, this podcast is your new favorite scroll break. It's heartfelt, hopefully a gentle reminder. Goodness is still out there. Surprisingly contagious too. So put down your phone, pick up your faith in humanity and join Jenna for the Ripple Effect. It's a reminder that you can start a ripple that changes everything. Listen to the ripple effect on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
I was kind of, it was funny this morning we were talking about Sam Darnold and Andrew Luck and I, we just, we came in this morning, we do about an hour and a half prep in the morning and I said go look at Andrew Luck's career interception numbers. Because I had said years ago when he came into the league, I said, I think Sam, you know, Andrew Luck played at stanford in the PAC 12 and Sam did at USC. And I said, I bet their interception numbers are kind of similar. I had no idea how similar they were. And again, Luck played in a weaker division. He didn't have Belichick in his division twice a year. And Andrew Luck had Bruce Arians. And when you look at the Sam Darnold, Andrew Luck, that's why I've defended Sam Darnold. He's a playmaker. He can be reckless. Favre was reckless, Elway was reckless. Andrew Luck and Sam Darnold, if you look at their career numbers, they're incredibly similar. Sam's ACCU actually more accurate. But it's crazy. I mean their passer ratings both have nine games with three plus interceptions. And I mean here was, I mean I just think I like people love Cam Newton and Cam Newton never had back to back winning seasons. Sam is now going to have back to back winning seasons with two different teams. Like it's about winning and if you take the jets out, Sam was a winner in Carolina 4 and 2, a winner in Minnesota and a winner in Seattle. So here was Sean McVeigh yesterday despite picking off four of his passes talking about Darnold.
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Sean McVay
I think Sam has done a great job and I totally agree how well he's played. I Think it's the epitome of rushing coverage playing together. And that's why I always think stats are for losers because we had zero sacks. But those four interceptions were such a great combination of he gets sped up with rushing coverage. You feel that pocket collapse. He has to deliver the ball earlier than he wants. It was a great job by our group as a whole, bringing it to life. And I think you see on all four of those interceptions the consistent theme is there's a push in the pocket, there's somebody flashing across his face and there's guys connected and in their spots on the back end.
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Colin Cowherd
And I thought Mark Schlair without a point is like Sam, this is a really good team. Just hold the ball, eat it, dirt it, take a sack. But it is interesting because Andrew Luck I thought was the best quarterback prospect I'd ever seen since John Elway. And to give you an example how good Luck was, I don't think people understand this. He went 11, 5, 11 and 5, 11 and 5. And two of those years. The Colts arguably had the worst roster in the league as is. I love Josh Allen. He wasn't that good his first two years and he had, he had a team that had made the playoffs. He had a better roster. Andrew Luck is. Tom Brady could not have won and he's the best quarterback ever. Joe Montana could not have won. Peyton Manning could not have won as many games as Andrew Luck did his first two years with that roster. They had one other player that was a Pro bowl level player was a cornerback I believe may have been a special teamer. I, they just didn't have a lot of talent. So my takeaway is that what Andrew Luck did is all time unique. And then he got, you know, he just got lung got, I believe punctured and it was just really sad. But if you go back and look at Luck, he's an all time talent that got knocked out of the game physically. And yet if you look at Sam's numbers, including the toxic Jets, a lot of them are the same. They both had nine three plus interception games. By the way, the worst game Luck ever played. Four interceptions against Belichick. Well, Sam had to play Belichick twice a year, so Luck didn't. And the worst game Sam's had, he's had two really, really bad games in terms of interceptions. One was this past week and one was last year in the playoffs against the Rams where he had multiple picks. So you know, it's just it, it. And again, I think Luck's better. I, I'M not disputing that. Speaking of great quarterbacks, happy birthday to Caleb Williams. He is officially 24 years old today. Happy birthday. It's the great Caleb Williams. Come on. Cow hurd. What are we doing comparing Darnold to.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Andrew Luck and Birthday Shout?
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, no, no. I, I don't think, I don't think Darnold's as good as Andrew Locke.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Yeah, but somebody in an airport walking by the screen is going to see that and be like, wait, what's happening now? I mean, I. You made a decent argument, but like, if this went to court, you would just, you would lose the case for sure. It was a no brainer. It's not even close.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, yeah, I am acknowledging. I mean, USC before Darnold got there was not very good and he got them to win a Rose bowl over Penn State.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
I remember that game.
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Colin Cowherd
He kind of carried him and then he just went to a place where nobody can win.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
So, yeah, I loved him on the Jets. I was rooting for him when the job, Remember the Giants passed on him. Yeah, they were like, we'll take a running back. I was like, oh, my gosh, they're doing cartwheels.
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Colin Cowherd
Darnold went 21 and 6 at USC. USC, the year before and the year after Darnold, 13 and 13. They did not have, I mean, they did not have a lot of talent. I, I think he played with Michael. Did he play with Michael Pittman? I think he did. I think it might be Michael Pickett may have been a freshman or something. I could be wrong on that.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
So one of the issues with Darnold, and again, we're picking nits here, but he hasn't faced any good defenses this year. Colin. And then he goes up against the Rams.
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Colin Cowherd
Let me ask.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Four picks and the Rams owned him last year. Let me ask in Minnesota.
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Colin Cowherd
Let me name five great defenses in the NFL right now.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Okay. Well, depending on what metric you want, the Denver Broncos defense is great. The Houston Texans defense is great. Didn't play great last week, but they're great. The Philadelphia Eagles defense is outstanding. Those are three for sure. Seattle has one of the best defenses in the league. I think you would agree with that.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
The fifth one is tricky. Off the top of my head, I would say the Rams are up there in most categories.
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Colin Cowherd
I think the Rams are really good.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Yeah, they would. They would probably.
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Colin Cowherd
And I think the Eagles are really good. Yeah. And I think Denver's really good. He. I think Sam beat. Did not. Yeah, Sam beat. He beat the Texans earlier This year.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Sam beat that defense 2719. Yeah. You see that? See that right there?
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Yeah. Pittman was a freshman and a sophomore was Sam. So they. They. That was his best teammate, Michael Pittman. But again, I'm not. Luck's better. I'm not. I'm not saying luck is better, but I'm saying Sam, his recklessness. The comps on picks are luck.
- [43:16]
Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
So here's my thing. If they don't win the division, Colin, they will have to go on the road in the first round. Right now it might be Tampa Bay, which I think, you know, not inclement weather there. But if he's got to go outdoors to Green Bay, God forbid Chicago, I don't like his chances. Now, the defense will keep him in it, but outdoors, Sam, Darnold, Colin, I don't.
- [43:41]
Colin Cowherd
I never worry about the outdoors with Sam. The outdoors. I worry about Jared Goff or Tua if it's cold and windy. Yeah, I don't worry about Sam and cold weather. I. What I worry about Sam is they lead a game and Sam gets sped up. Like McVeigh said, Sam and this. This was a luck thing. I also think Andrew, Luck and Sam are so confident in their abilities. They're not deterred after a pick or two. They don't care. Brady had that ability. Brady threw pick sixes in Super Bowls. Brady did not care. The ultimate confidence is you throw a pick six, you throw a bad pick or two and you don't care. So that's the confidence, almost delusion that a great quarterback needs. One of the criticisms I've had for years of Aaron Rodgers, if he throws a second pick in a game, he shuts it down.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Mentally cooked.
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Colin Cowherd
He starts protecting his passer rating. You can see the body language. He deteriorates. He had. He had one of those games years ago. It may have been against Brady in Tampa. It was windy. He had a couple bad picks. It just kind of like felt he shut down and was protecting his passer rating. Darnold doesn't do it. Peyton didn't do that. Brady didn't do that. Luck didn't do that. They don't care. They have inner. Inner scoreboard confidence. They're going to let it rip and I respect that.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Yeah, one of the problems with Darnold in the three games against the Rams, two, and I know two, were with Minnesota last year. If he falls behind, he presses. I don't know that they. Yeah, he's presses. He's overthinking it. And that's a Tough spot.
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Colin Cowherd
Put up. Put up the NFC playoff picture, though. I'm telling you, you do not want to play Seattle in the playoffs. They'll probably be an underdog. Remember, what is Seattle on the road? Bizarrely great. Can you imagine being the Rams or the Bears or the Bucks and hosting Seattle? And Seattle's the best road team in the. In the league. If tomorrow, if the Seahawks play the Bears and the Bucks, I take Seattle on the road.
- [45:35]
Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Yeah, I would. I would probably agree. Let me check the Seahawks schedule.
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Colin Cowherd
The.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
The Eagles are going to win the nfc barring some kind of major injury. If schedule lines up, they. They got the Washington twice.
- [45:45]
Colin Cowherd
Ask yourself this. If you're the Eagles and you look at the Seahawks, packers, ners, Detroit, and you could ask Philadelphia who they don't want to play. Of those four, you're not going to play division winners. You're going to play either Seattle, Green Bay, San Francisco, Carolina, Dallas, or Detroit. I guarantee you Philadelphia would say we have no interest in Seattle.
- [46:09]
Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Green Bay. Green Bay is. Don't scoff at their defense.
- [46:12]
Colin Cowherd
They have no identity at all. I mean, you already beat them, Coach.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Green bay or Seattle? LaFleur, obviously, McDonald's great, but come on, it's La Flor.
- [46:23]
Colin Cowherd
Come on.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
LaFleur's been great.
- [46:26]
Colin Cowherd
You asked me a question and gave me the answer. I'd take McDonald over.
- [46:30]
Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Over LaFleur.
- [46:31]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [46:32]
Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Based on one season, that McDonald's been pretty good.
- [46:35]
Colin Cowherd
I needed one season with Sean McVeigh. I knew he was better than 90% of the league.
- [46:38]
Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Fine. Quarterback Darnold or Love?
- [46:42]
Colin Cowherd
Coin flip.
- [46:43]
Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Oh, my gosh. All right. You're clearly all in on Seattle.
- [46:47]
Colin Cowherd
Run game, Seattle athletic, healthy.
- [46:52]
Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Wait, wait, wait, wait. What's happening here? Hold on. You think Seattle's better right now than.
- [46:56]
Colin Cowherd
Green Bay if they played? Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Oh, damn. Okay, I was not anticipating that. So you give them the edge in coach.
- [47:04]
Colin Cowherd
Quarterback is a toss up run game and roster. And by the way, number one weapon, Seattle. Run game Seattle.
- [47:14]
Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
Seattle does have the best offensive skill position, player, weapon. Yes, I would agree. JSN is number one.
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Colin Cowherd
Huh?
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Sophie Cunningham
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, my.
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
That's a bold take. Could you tell our social staff to put that online? Let's see if people agree with you or not.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I'm saying Seattle has an absolute identity. What. What is Green Bay offensively? Their coach doesn't know Seattle. You see? You know what Seattle is. You tell me. How many teams can throw four picks against the Rams and be kicking a winning field goal? How many? Not Green Bay.
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Sophie Cunningham
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
If you are not an oyster lover, don't even talk to me.
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Sophie Cunningham
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Guest Analyst (possibly a co-host or contributor)
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Colin Cowherd
Bring back the ostrichon. Listen to Hungry for history on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. Can we get a Thanksgiving first? I'm hungry.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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