THE HERD - Hour 3 - The possible end of the Chiefs dynasty, the Cowboys drama, the AFC battlefield, Tyler Dunne

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd — Hour 3 Summary

Date: August 27, 2025
Episode Theme: The changing NFL landscape — Is the Chiefs’ dynasty over, what’s going on with the Cowboys, the wide-open AFC, and deep dives with NFL insider Tyler Dunne.

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Episode Overview

This episode, hosted by Jason McIntyre (in for Colin), features an in-depth conversation with NFL writer Tyler Dunne, focusing on shifting tides in the NFL: the possible end of the Chiefs’ dominance, drama in Dallas surrounding Micah Parsons, evolving AFC rivalries, and why the Green Bay Packers and Buffalo Bills are “teams to watch.” The episode closes with a discussion on Brock Purdy’s expectations, NFC quarterback rankings, and a look at upcoming college football storylines.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Packers Preview & Jordan Love’s Leap

[02:57–08:14]

Jason McIntyre introduces Tyler Dunne, founder of GoLongTD.com, and immediately dives into Tyler’s bullish view on the Packers.

Tyler Dunne’s Analysis:

• Jordan Love is ready for a breakout. After three years behind Rodgers and now entering his third year as starter, “he’s ready to really take the keys of this offense. …I really do think this year Jordan Love takes a huge leap.” (Tyler Dunne, 04:23)
• Love’s physical and mental makeup: Tyler highlights Love’s size, athleticism, and—most importantly—dedication off the field.
  Quote: “So much of this position is what you don’t see. …Everything I know about Jordan Love [is] this is somebody who is dedicated in a way that will allow him to potentially be that superstar.” (Tyler Dunne, 07:26)
• NFC’s wide-open landscape: With top QBs in the AFC, Tyler argues it’s open for Love and the Packers to make a run: “The NFC’s totally wide open for a quarterback and a team like Green Bay to win a Super Bowl.” (Tyler Dunne, 07:53)

McIntyre’s pushback:
Jason questions if Love can be the NFC's best QB over Hurts, Stafford, or newcomers, to which Tyler confidently repeats: “Absolutely, man. I posted up on that hill. We're dying there.” (07:17)

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2. The Matt LaFleur Era: Packers’ Identity Shift

[05:33–07:05]

• LaFleur’s demanding style fits a young roster:
  “That demanding nature is something that works with a young roster. …With a young quarterback who's hungry, I think that’s a big reason they drafted [Love].” (Tyler Dunne, 05:52)
• Packers built ‘in his image’: Packers now reflect LaFleur’s vision, after years under Favre and Rodgers.

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3. Hard Work & Quarterback “Homework”

[13:52–14:43]

• Dunne’s subtle call-out: Many starting NFL QBs don’t work as hard as the public assumes (“they’re putting ‘homework clauses’ in Kyler Murray’s contract”). Love stands out for his work ethic and preparation.
• “Not everybody needs to be Tom Brady… but so much of modern football — you better have a counter. …I just think Jordan Love is one of those players.” (Tyler Dunne, 13:52)

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4. Buffalo Bills: This Year or Never?

[14:43–19:40]

McIntyre: “This kind of has to be it for McDermott, Allen, right?”
Dunne covers:

• Defensive reload, not offensive arms race: GM Brandon Beane “loaded up on defense” rather than just on receivers, signaling the coaching staff has to produce results on that side.
• Josh Allen doesn’t get enough help:
  “The Bills never have any of those [clutch] plays. They're never able to give Josh Allen any of that help. So any criticism of Josh Allen in January, to me, is just absolutely absurd.” (Tyler Dunne, 17:07)
• Receiver depth a concern?
  “Absolutely. This team’s leading receiver in the AFC Championship game was Mack Hollins… but [Allen] was still able to field an MVP-level offense.” (Tyler Dunne, 17:56/18:03)
• Buffalo must adapt:
  The Bills evolved, diversified their offense, and prioritized toggling “between play styles” rather than over-investing at receiver.

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5. Cowboys Drama: Micah Parsons Standoff & Jerry World Issues

[19:40–22:25]

• Micah Parsons standoff:
  “We all know where this is going — Jerry Jones is going to wait until opening night… then the news breaks that [Parsons] resigns.” (Tyler Dunne, 20:09)
• Front office dysfunction:
  Dunne sharply criticizes Dallas: “They don’t care about winning… If the Cowboys prioritized winning, they would have locked up Dak, CeeDee, Micah Parsons a year ahead of time.” (20:27)
  • Mike McCarthy, as per Dunne, has privately been “fed up” with the circus and the lack of support.
• Ownership split:
  “Jerry and Stephen Jones have different philosophies. Stephen doesn’t want to spend, doesn’t want dead money. …They just jerk around their best players because they can.” (21:21)

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6. Brock Purdy & NFC QB Rankings

[22:25–23:52]

• Properly rated, but not a superstar:
  “He’s properly rated… he knows where the ball has to go, processes quickly… Is he going to blow you away? No. But he is one of, if not the smartest, quarterbacks in the NFL.” (Tyler Dunne, 22:40)
• If healthy, San Francisco is a sleeping giant: Praise for the fit between Purdy and Shanahan’s system.

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7. Quick Hits: Vikings, College Football Trash Talk, and More

[29:21–35:40]

Rachel Nichols delivers news:

• Jordan Love’s hand surgery:
  “A Packers insider is saying that the thumb surgery ‘is not insignificant’; the team is heavily dependent on the health of their starting QB… I’m not sure that to a quarterback, there is a minor hand injury.” (Rachel Nichols, 29:21–30:17)
• Adam Thielen returns to the Vikings — a veteran presence for their thin receiver group and rookie QB J.J. McCarthy.
• College Football:
  Texas edge rusher Colin Simmons stirs the pot by posting a (context-free) photo of Ohio State’s new QB Julian Sayin ahead of their showdown. Nichols: “Just posting a picture, that's creepier… Hannibal Lecter, like, staring at Jodie Foster…” (Rachel Nichols, 34:59)

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8. Extended Purdy/NFC QB Debate

[36:24–41:56]

• Steve Wyche and Greg Cosell both praise Purdy’s mental traits — “a high-level post-snap operator,” “really, really good timing and anticipation thrower.” (Cosell, 38:08)
• Jason and Rachel argue Purdy is “underrated,” in part due to his draft status, despite statistical output near the NFC’s best.
• Rachel: “Even if he wins the Super Bowl, people will say, ‘Can you believe it? Mr. Irrelevant won a Super Bowl.’” (39:16)
• Jason: “He was in the Super Bowl against Mahomes, led them in overtime… Purdy wasn’t bad in that Super Bowl.” (39:46)
• Healthy debate about QB rankings rounds out the segment, covering Hurts, Stafford, Stroud, Herbert, and more.

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Notable Quotes

• On Jordan Love:
  “He has everything you could possibly want. …This could be the best quarterback in the NFC.”
  — Tyler Dunne (06:46)

• On the Cowboys: “They don’t care about winning. …If the Dallas Cowboys prioritized winning, [they’d] have locked up Dak… CeeDee Lamb… Micah Parsons… then figured out a way to get three or four different starters… they just jerk around their best players because they can.”
  — Tyler Dunne (20:27)

• On Brock Purdy:
  “Purdy is a high-level post-snap operator. …He’s just not a dynamic athlete who’s necessarily going to make those kind of special plays on his own. But as a pocket quarterback, he’s pretty high level.”
  — Greg Cosell (38:08)

• On Jerry Jones’ Cowboys:
  “When you’re the richest sports franchise in the world… winning is just not priority number one.”
  — Tyler Dunne (20:44)

• On the Bills’ Super Bowl chances:
  “The Bills never have any of those [clutch] plays. …Any criticism of Josh Allen in January is just absolutely absurd. …He shouldn’t have to be perfect.”
  — Tyler Dunne (17:07)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:57 — Introduction to Tyler Dunne / Packers optimism
• 04:23 — Dunne on Jordan Love’s development
• 05:52 — Packers’ new look under Matt LaFleur
• 13:52 — QB work ethic, “homework clause” discussion
• 14:43 — Deep dive on the Buffalo Bills
• 17:56 — Bills’ receiver depth concerns
• 19:40 — Cowboys/Micah Parsons impasse, Jerry Jones criticism
• 22:40 — Brock Purdy: Overrated/Underrated/Properly rated?
• 29:21 — News: Jordan Love’s thumb, Vikings bring back Thielen
• 34:59 — College football trash talk: Texas vs. Ohio State
• 36:24 — Brock Purdy deep-dive w/ experts and panel
• 39:16 — Underdog narrative around Purdy
• 41:44 — NFC QB ranking debate

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Tone & Style Notes

• Lively, opinionated, fun back-and-forths between Jason, Tyler, and Rachel
• Signature blend of analysis, NFL “inside baseball,” and pointed critique
• Mix of statistics, anecdotes, and mock-serious banter (“we’re dying on that Jordan Love hill!”)
• Consistent skepticism toward media narratives and NFL “groupthink”

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TL;DR

This episode gives a candid, inside look at the NFL’s shifting balance of power: why the Packers could be sneaky contenders with Jordan Love, why the Bills’ Super Bowl window is do-or-die, the structural failings of the Cowboys under the Jones family, and the true value of “overlooked” quarterbacks like Brock Purdy—a segment packed with strong opinions, expert analysis, and a few hard truths for fans of America’s most popular teams.

Transcript

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Now, let's get this party started.

[Jason McIntyre]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back to the Herd. Got a great guest coming up right now, so he left the traditional media to start his own deal. Golongtv.com you know me as a guy who started his own website. I appreciate that. Wait until you see his setup. Let's go to Tyler Dunn here on the cowherd global network. Looks like he's in, like, a log cabin in Antarctica. I love it. It looks very rustic. Tyler, how you doing, man? Summer's ending.

[Tyler Dunn]

Heck yeah, man. Building a house down here about an hour south of Buffalo, New York. Salamanca, Ellicottville, Great Valley. If anybody out there is familiar. Yeah, Grew up, like on 400 acres in the woods. This is like my dad's old office. So it's our temporary office. When we talk in the future, I'll be about, you know, an eighth of a mile in the woods that direction. We'll have a better setup for.

[Jason McIntyre]

You know what?

[Tyler Dunn]

Let's keep it rustic.

[Jason McIntyre]

I can't get past the 400 acres, bro. Are you like Jerry Jones with the oil money? I mean, really, 400 acres is insane. A lot of. Maybe you'll have your own football field there and you could, I don't know, get Jordan. Love to drop by. Let's start with the Packers. Tyler, you used to cover the team. He obviously had this small surgery. Packers laying a little bit low. We're hearing a lot about a lot of other teams, but I'm getting vibes that the packers could be a sneaky super bowl contender. Tyler, your thoughts?

[Tyler Dunn]

Totally agree. I think that this is the year that Jordan love. The Green Bay packers take a gigantic leap when you really kind of look at his development. This is year six, right? Three years with Aaron Rodgers, Matt LaFleur, and it took time. It took time for Brian Gudiken to Matt la Florida to kind of move on from the Aaron Rodgers business. But I think his third year as a starter, everything I'm hearing, J. Mack, is he's ready to really take the keys of this offense, I think that this has really been a golden opportunity for Matt LaFleur to kind of build the packers in his image, build Jordan Love in his image. And for the first time this offseason, this summer, Jordan talked a lot about those injuries last year, the knee, the groin, how much it really affected his ability to improvise, to create and to run. The dude 6:4, he's got that long stride. He's. He can be a playmaker if he wanted to. He just kind of tapped the brakes, slammed the brakes out of necessity last year. So I really do think this year Jordan Love takes a huge leap and they built a nucleus of talent around him. It sounds like Matthew golden has star potential. They've got a top three running back, they've got a solid line. And the defense year two in that system, I think can only improve now.

[Jason McIntyre]

It's interesting. You seem very bullish on this team and going into the, in the vision of the head coach. What, what do you think that vision is? Because I'm assuming you mean, wait, we're beyond Farve, we're beyond Rogers. This is a new look, a new vibe, a new feel. What is that? What does that look like for LaFleur?

[Tyler Dunn]

You know, he can be hard on players, he can be hard on coaches. And you know, when you really kind of dig into the lineage of Matt LaFleur and who he's been around, Kyle Shanahan and Mike McDaniel, Sean McVeigh, that whole fun bunch, and you know, it's wild, it's fascinating. But I do think that that, that demanding nature is something that works with a young roster. Right. If you were, you know, coming in and you're around 33 and 34 and 35 year olds that have kind of heard every type of message that you can imagine, maybe it doesn't kind of resonate that well. But I feel like in Jordan Love, he has as a young quarterback who's hungry, and this is a big reason they drafted a quarterback in the first round when they didn't necessarily need a quarterback. After Aaron Rodgers took you to the NFC championship game, they talked to guys like David Yost at Utah State. They, they knew how Jordan Love would respond to hard coaching, respond to an offense that can be complex. And I think that in year three, if he's healthy and I'm not worried about the thumb, non, non. Throwing hands. Right. I know. Come play. Play this clip months in the future. We'll see. I, I think the health wise, if he's where he needs to be this could be the best quarterback in the nfc. He has everything you could possibly want.

[Jason McIntyre]

I'm sorry. Best quarterback in the NFC is Jalen Hurts dead is with Matthew Stafford. Just retire. Jaden Daniels is still breathing. You're that high on Jordan Love?

[Tyler Dunn]

Absolutely, man. I posted up on that hill. We're dying there. We talked about it. We've argued about Jordan Love on your pod.

[Jason McIntyre]

But that's right.

[Tyler Dunn]

There's all the athletic stuff. There's all the physical stuff. It's all there. But so much of this position is what you don't see. It's. It's those other six days of the week. It's everything other than those three hours on a Sunday. And I'll tell you what, there's a lot of really talented quarterbacks across the NFL who we think are going to take that huge step and ascend and be superstars, but they're not putting in that time. And sometimes those stories kind of leak to the public and we learn a little bit more here and there. But I tell you everything that I know about Jordan Love, people close to Jordan love. This is somebody who is dedicated in a way that will allow him to potentially be that superstar. And look, Lamar, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, they're all in the afc. That's what makes the NFC fascinating. It's totally wide open for a quarterback in a team like Green Bay to win a Super Bowl. Get to it.

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Hey everybody, I'm Angela Rye, co host of Native Lampa with Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillum. Through the lens of politics and culture, we talk with you every week to make sense of this madness.

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I've been telling Angela, I don't even know how to fight back right now. So what I'm focused on is just looking out for ourselves.

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That's the truth.

[Jason McIntyre]

We're having the same debates that American households are having all over the country.

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Rest is certainly a form of self care, but if you are watching your.

[Tyler Dunn]

Full neighbors starve, not be able to.

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Pay bills, your rest is selfish.

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But the thing is, Angela, this is.

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Not the mess we created.

[Tyler Dunn]

So I do understand black folks feeling like, you know what, y' all got it.

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I don't know what you're on. What our audience is asking is, okay, fine, you want me to stop resting? What specifically are you asking me to do?

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Stay informed and take action. Listen to Native Land Pod on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So you just mentioned, you know, putting in the time for Jordan Love and maybe other quarterbacks don't. Are you maybe alluding to a guy whose name rhymes with forever Zorance by any chance is like, who are you talking about? Do you want to put a specific name on there?

[Tyler Dunn]

I'm just saying, in general, man, you hear it all the time, like they're putting homework clauses in Kyle Kyler Murray's contract. And I, and I'm telling you, we really do, I think, assume that all of these starting quarterbacks across the NFL work hard. That's just not the case. I mean, it really is. I mean, not. Not everybody needs to be Tom Brady eating the avocado ice cream and, you know, dedicating themselves to unhealthy extremes. But I think that so much of modern football, with how defenses are playing you, right, it's one on the fringes. I mean, the two deep safeties and defensive coordinator studying every one of your minute nuanced tendencies that you don't even know you possess over these last seven months, you better have a counter. And I just think that Jordan Love is one of those players that will have a counter this season. All right, let's.

[Jason McIntyre]

Let's pivot to the afc Buffalo Bills, another team you've covered very extensively. You know them well. This kind of has to be it for McDermott Allen, right? They keep knocking on the door, getting super close. You know, you could blame the coaching last year, the. The lack of tush push practice, which failed miserably. But I think I have Buffalo as the team winning the super bowl this year. I'm curious, do you think they finally get over the hump? The Chiefs are dealing with that. That little wedding thing that was announced yesterday. And the Ravens still have Lamar Jackson, who hasn't figured out what to do in January, or, you know, Mark Andrews fumbled. But where are you on the Bills?

[Tyler Dunn]

Yeah, right here in Western New York. And look, we've been critical of the Buffalo Bills. You know, we talked about it with Colin a couple years ago, Sean McDermott, that inability to get over the hump. There's a reason for that. There's a reason this team tightens up in big games. But I love this off season for the Buffalo Bills. I'll be the first to admit it, but they lost to the Chiefs again at Arrowhead AFC championship game. I'm thinking, you know what? You can't stop a nosebleed. Patrick Mahomes, you know, it doesn't even break a sweat. You might as well load up on weapons and try to win 45 to 38 against this team. And Brandon Bean basically did the opposite. He went out there inside Michael and Joey Bose and Larry Okanjobi, and then he drew Maxwell Harrison, TJ Sanders, Deion Walker, Landon. They loaded up on defense, and I think the Message is, okay, Sean, here are all the menu of options you could possibly want on the D line at locker in the secondary, young guys, veterans all over the place. Let's see some different results. Because the player you're showing on the screen right now, Josh Allen, he shouldn't have to be perfect. Look, look at the past quarterbacks in the past, hall of Famer, all time great, you know, guys that were trying to win a Super bowl when Tom Brady is, is anointing himself as the goat. Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, you look at their super bowl runs. Peyton had a terrible game at Baltimore in 06, right? Aaron Rodgers, his defense was giving him pick sixes. And, and you know, Nick Collins is whacking Ben Roethlisberger's arm. Ryan Pickett and Clay Matthews are forcing that play on Rashad Men in the Super Bowl. And you know, across. Drew Brees had help, right? He's got the onside kick. He's got players. Tracy Porter making plays at db. The Bills never have any of those plays. They're never even able to give Josh Allen. Any of that helps. So any criticism of Josh Allen in January to me is just absolutely absurd. I get it. They had the ball last and they weren't able to score. But he shouldn't have to be perfect. I think that was Brandon Bean's message to Sean McDermott, to the defensive coaching staff. Here you go. Like, let's create a turnover, right? Let's force a punt. Show some type of resistance this time.

[Jason McIntyre]

Wow. I did not expect a Rashard Mendenhall reference. Well done, Tyler. Let me just ask you, though, about the Bills wide receiver depth chart. I'm going to name their top three receivers. Khalil Shakur, a very solid slot receiver, Keon Coleman, second year guy, and Josh Palmer, who the Chargers are like, man, that's the receiving room. Is that enough to get it done in January?

[Tyler Dunn]

Absolutely. This team's leading receiver in the AFC Championship game was Matt Collins, right?

[Jason McIntyre]

Oh, gosh.

[Tyler Dunn]

But he knows him. There he is. They know him more for, you know, showing up barefoot and dressing up like Muppet characters to play the Chiefs. He was a fun story. Like, I guess it was cool for a while, but that shouldn't be your leading receiver in that game. And you still came back close in the Super Bowl. I sat down with the beat over the off season. We got into all of this and I thought he made a lot of really good points. They did score 30 points in eight straight games. They were able to field an MVP player. And Josh Allen. So that tells just something about the players around him. It's going to come down to Dalton, Kincaid, Keon Coleman. You're back to back Burt's picks in the draft. They've got to produce. Right. I get it. And I think Brandon Bean would admit this, too. Look, if you want to judge him three years from now, and if you see that lad McConkey is a star, if you see that Xavier Worthy is humiliating your team in these playoff games and Keon Coleman isn't producing that, then we can have that conversation. But I think right now, this is a team that's scoring 30 points a game, and they had to kind of evolve. Think about where the Buffalo Bills were a few years ago, J. Mac, when they're hosting the Cincinnati Bengals in the playoffs. They've been wanting this home playoff game forever, and when they got it, they couldn't win in that kind of climate. They were a dome offense. So now you do have an offense with a line, with a running game. You got James Cook lined or locked up long term, I think that they know they have to toggle between play styles and. And that's more important than maybe loading up salary to a couple. Couple receivers because, hey, you know, Miami, Cincinnati, they kind of went that route. And as you see with their roster construction, that leaves you vulnerable in other spots.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, you listen, we haven't done a lot of Cowboys today. I'm sure you're sick of this story, but the very latest on Micah Parsons, somebody took a picture of him at the airport, and people are like, oh, he's probably leaving town. Apparently, he's getting a second opinion on his back. It seems like Jerry and Micah are both dug in here, neither side willing to budge. How do you think this one ends, given the history of Jerry Jones and also the kind of the impact that Micah would have on this defense?

[Tyler Dunn]

We all know where this is going, right? Like, this is headed toward opening night. Jerry Jones is going to know all eyes are on the NFL. His NFL. He's the most powerful person in the NFL, and then that's when the news breaks that he resigns. I don't. I get it. There's a lot of noise around Micah Parsons. There's a lot said publicly, especially on Jerry Jones's side, and even by Jerry Jones standards, the amount of podcast appearances and public statements has been pretty high level here. But they don't. They don't care about winning. They just. They just don't. If the Dallas Cowboys prioritized winning, they would have locked up Dak a Year ahead of time. CD Lamb, a year ahead of time. Micah Parsons, a year. A year ahead of time. And then figured out a way to get three or four different starters to bolster a team that's won 12 games three years in a row. You know, I was talking to a source who, who brought up a moment for Mike McCarthy at A last season. He said that Mike McCarthy's in the team cafeteria. You got all these marketing people in there. I mean, right? All the tours are going all over the place at the Star at Frisco. But he sees all these people walk in all these different directions and he turns to somebody and in so many words says he's fed up that he wouldn't have taken the job if he knew if it was this bad. I think every coach going into that situation knows what they're getting into with Jerry Jones, but nobody knows it's as bad as it is inside Jerry's world. And winning is just not priority number one. When you're the richest sports franchise in the world. It's not hyperbole to say that. So, yeah, they just jerk around their best players because they can. They think they're the smartest people in the room. They don't modernize the franchise. And if you're a Cowboys fan out there, I don't know, I guess the only, the only thing you can do is not show up to the stadium. But even that isn't going to matter to Jerry and Steven. One more thing. Jerry and Steven have different philosophies. Like Stephen Jones. He does not want to spend. He does not want to get caught up into dead money. He abhors dead money. Right. He tells his pro scouting staff during free agency, just go bottom feeding. We're not going big fish, you know, big game hunting here at all. And you see that the last three, three to five years, I think Jerry would still be that wild card, but they've kind of reined him in. And I think the answer is somewhere in the middle.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, final one, Tyler. Brock Purdy, a quarterback near and dear to my heart. Dead last round pick, but has really delivered for the Niners. Overrated, properly rated or underrated? Your thoughts?

[Tyler Dunn]

I think he's. I think he's properly rated. And again, coming back to all of this stuff that you don't necessarily see those three hours on a Sunday and it's damn good for Brock Purdy. He knows where the ball has to go. He processes quickly. You know, he is a Kyle Shanahan. Think of all the quarterbacks that Kyle Shanahan has been through, you know, back to his days as an assistant coach. It's been a long, winding journey to this point, but I think he really did find a quarterback who thinks like him, who is going to go from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 like him. And that's Brock Purdy. Is he going to blow you away with 43 speed? No. Is he going to stiff arm people like Josh Allen? Absolutely not. And he's not going to be tightroping the trapeze and doing all that Patrick Mahomes stuff either. But he is one of, if not the smartest quarterback in the NFL as long as they're not decimated. With injuries all around him, which was the case last year, San Francisco is the team that we are not talking nearly enough about, I think if they're healthy. Been critical of this team, too in the past. And Kyle Shanahan and that arrogance has tended to bite him, you know, where at the worst possible moments, he's still the mock Don Coriel that was that every other coach in the NFL is copying.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, Tyler Dunn, golongtd.com and I'll just say NFC fans are going to want to tune into a site for sure next week. He teased something to me during the break. I can't reveal it, but it's a big one coming next week. So, Tyler, good stuff. Enjoy the log cabin life, bro, and the 400 acres.

[Tyler Dunn]

Hey, thanks so much. If anybody wants to go hunting, come on down, let me know. We had a bear. We had a bear on the trail cam just yesterday so we could give you some assistance.

[Jason McIntyre]

No, thank you. I'll pass on that one. All right, Tyler, done. Coming up next year on the Herd. Oh boy. Rachel's got some spicy trash talk ahead of Texas Ohio State. Cannot wait for that. That's next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartradio app.

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[Buzz Knight (continued) / Interviewee]

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[Buzz Knight (continued) / Interviewee]

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[Buzz Knight]

Seth MacFarlane on the taking a Walk podcast. Listen to Taking a walk on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tyler Dunn]

Who cares about truth when the lies More entertaining. Hey everybody, I'm Angela Rai, co host.

[Rachel Nichols]

Of Native Lamp Pot with Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillum. Through the lens of politics and culture, we talk with you every week. And to make sense of this madness.

[Tyler Dunn]

I've been telling Angela, I don't even know how to fight back right now. So what I'm focused on is just looking out for ourselves.

[Jason McIntyre]

That's the truth. We're having the same debates that American households are having all over the country.

[Rachel Nichols]

Rest is certainly a form of self care, but if you are watching your.

[Tyler Dunn]

Full neighbors starve, not be able to.

[Rachel Nichols]

Pay bills, your rest is selfish.

[Tyler Dunn]

But the thing is, Angela, this is.

[Jason McIntyre]

Not the mess we created.

[Tyler Dunn]

So I do understand black folks feeling like, you know what, y' all got it.

[Jason McIntyre]

We're like family, but we disagree all the time. And we love when our listeners chime.

[Tyler Dunn]

In what would happen if we built our own little Wakandan communities in the rural South.

[Buzz Knight (continued) / Interviewee]

Tiffany, do not run to no rural South.

[Tyler Dunn]

I don't know what you're on. What our audience is asking is. Okay, fine, you want me to stop resting? What specifically are you asking me to do? Stay informed and take action.

[Jason McIntyre]

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[Tyler Dunn]

Welcome home, y'.

[Rachel Nichols]

All.

[Jason McIntyre]

Great stuff from Tyler Dunn. Golongtv.com Definitely check out his stuff. Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.

[Rachel Nichols]

Well, you and Tyler just had quite a love fest about the packers, but I got to put a little bit of question mark there. All right, so you of course remember Love injures his thumb. Green Bay's preseason game, he ended up getting surgery. He returned to practice just six days later and the team has been outwardly maintaining there's no problem there. But now, Jason, a Packers insider is saying that the thumb surgery quote is not insignificant, adding that the team is heavily dependent on the health of their starting qb. So, J. Mac, you remember a few days ago we're talking about Matt's Stafford and I said in my opinion there's no minor back issue, right? I'm not sure that to a quarterback there is a minor hand injury, even if it's not his non throwing hand.

[Jason McIntyre]

What do you think that's fair. I haven't had a surgery in a while. I'm not a professional athlete. Shocker. But I cannot imagine having surgery on my thumb and then going and playing with two weeks later. Like that just sounds insane.

[Rachel Nichols]

I mean, it's his non throwing hand, but obviously you take snap. I mean, we've got him up on the screen right now in the studio. I mean, he's got both hands there on the ball. And you know, when he first came back from surgery, they had him taking snaps off a stool so nobody would injure the hand. Oh, on the way back.

[Jason McIntyre]

Doesn't sound good.

[Rachel Nichols]

You know, got to be careful.

[Jason McIntyre]

I don't. I mean, so how do you see that division shaking out? Are you still Lions at the top or do you think there's.

[Rachel Nichols]

I like Green Bay too.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay.

[Rachel Nichols]

But I do think you have to account. I mean, Love had three separate injuries last season, remember? I just think you have to account for the fact that that's a danger now. They still had a top four offense last season and they're supposed to have a top five offense again this season. So.

[Jason McIntyre]

Leflore is pretty damn good. He's almost underrated, you know.

[Rachel Nichols]

No, I mean, when Love went out, he completely changed the offense and then he changed it back for Jordan. I mean, it's impressive.

[Jason McIntyre]

He. He's a McVeigh guy, right? McVeigh Shanahan. He's in that crew that like posse.

[Rachel Nichols]

The cool kids club.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, they're, well, the smart, smart offensive guys club.

[Rachel Nichols]

Let's talk about the Vikings. They were looking for wide receiver help with Justin Jefferson coming off that hamstring injury. Jordan Addison, as we know, suspended for three games. Rondell Moore suffering a season ending knee injury. Well, they got their guy. They brought back Adam Thielen. Remember, he spent nine seasons in Minnesota. They got him back from the Panthers. This to me is a huge win, both in terms of who this guy is and also what he can do for them on the field. What do you take out of it?

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, he was in witness protection in Carolina, right? I mean, I don't remember. I mean, he was struggling. Yeah, they didn't have anybody.

[Rachel Nichols]

Well, they didn't have anybody.

[Jason McIntyre]

And he's not a one, he's a three, I guess. But Minnesota, I didn't realize their depth chart was this bad at receiver. Obviously they have Justin Jefferson, Addison, as you said, suspended. But Jalen Naylor, Ty Fenton, Tim Jones, I don't even know those guys. Rondell Moore got hurt, so yeah, this was a smart move. They needed him for the young kid, McCarthy. Do you like McCarthy, by the way?

[Rachel Nichols]

I do. I think he's promising. I like that switch at quarterback. I like that he is going to have Thielen there because he's just a steadying presence. He's been in the organization, he knows the locker room. He and Jefferson played together already for three seasons, so, like, that relationship is really good. And even though he might have been in witness protection a little bit with the Panthers, you know, he really helped develop Bryce Young to some extent. So just sort of, you know, just working with the young quarterback. So I like all of that.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, those are actually feeling highlights. He did do things.

[Rachel Nichols]

He did do things.

[Jason McIntyre]

I just know he was like a fantasy. God, it was awesome. And then he goes to Carolina and it's like, bro, what's going on?

[Rachel Nichols]

That might have more to do with Carolina. Yeah, yeah. A little bit him. There's another video, by the way. I don't know if we have it, but it's very sweet. It's his kids celebrating. Oh, back to Minnesota.

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[Rachel Nichols]

Look at his daughter there. So it's just a nice. It's just, you know, when someone wants to be there that much, the whole family's there and settled. I think it's going to be a good influence on the young guys.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, that looks like my wife and kids celebrating when I have to go to work in the morning. Oh, he's finally leaving. Goodness, he's such a distraction.

[Rachel Nichols]

Out of here. There you go. All right, let's talk college football. This. We're getting so close, Jason. I feel like I've been looking forward to this for months. And here we are. We have the matchup of the year Saturday on Fox. Texas number one heading to the shoe to take on number three, Ohio State. The Buckeyes, of course, named sophomore Julian sand as their starting QB for this season. Texas Edge Colin Simmons having a little fun with that. He posted a picture to his Instagram story. It's just of the quarterback. There's no context, which to me makes it absolutely creepier. Here's Timmons on why he made the post.

[Tyler Dunn]

Honestly, I'm just excited that they chose a quarterback.

[Jason McIntyre]

You know.

[Tyler Dunn]

There'S really nothing major behind it. I'll say. You know, there's no target for him or nothing like that. I'm just glad that they have a quarterback that I'm ready to sack.

[Rachel Nichols]

Just glad they have a quarterback that I'm ready to sack.

[Jason McIntyre]

That is strange.

[Rachel Nichols]

I mean, where do you rank this kind of trash talk? It's not quite Baker Mayfield at Oklahoma Style. Trash talk. But what do you. Where do you rank this?

[Jason McIntyre]

I mean, let me ask. Sorry to ask. Answer a question with a question. But, like, aren't you glad you didn't have social media in college?

[Rachel Nichols]

Oh, God.

[Jason McIntyre]

Like, he's doing this and it's on TV shows. He just posted a picture, and it's going to go viral all over the message board. And, yeah, I would have stepped in it a lot. His answer was kind of choppy, but I don't know if I. If I'm Ryan Day at my guys. Nothing on social media. Zero Dark Thirty, LeBron style. Yeah, let's focus on the game. I don't care what's happening on IG or Snapchat or wherever the kids are. TikTok. Yeah. I wonder if Stark is. Is not thrilled with this. You just don't want to say anything.

[Rachel Nichols]

Yes. And look, I will say that just posting a picture, when you said, oh, he just posted a picture, that's creepier. That is a bigger deal. Hannibal Lecter, like, staring at Jodie Foster when she comes in, just, like, sitting there with, like, no, no comment. I thought that was a strong statement.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, Silence of the Lambs. Those scenes with Jodie Foster and him in the penitentiary or whatever. It was very creepy. Yeah. My kids, I tried to watch a little of Silence of the Lambs with them, and there's no. No, no, no, no. We want nothing to do with it.

[Rachel Nichols]

Yeah, there's the Post. It's just. It's like a promo photo off the website. It's pretty good. You know, our coverage starts off at 9:00am Big noon kickoff. We're getting closer.

[Jason McIntyre]

I can't wait.

[Buzz Knight]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

48. No, today's Wednesday, so we're like, 72 hours away. All right, Rachel with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. All right, coming up, you know, our staff just sent me something on Arch Banning. I really like it. But also, we talked Brock Purdy earlier. We're gonna do all that here to wrap up the show next year on the Herd. Oh, we are going to stay here. We're not going to commercial. Yes. So we talked earlier about Brock Purdy. Yes, surprise, indeed. We talked earlier about Brock Purdy. And I defended Brock, like, staunchly. Probably too much. Steve Weiss came on and had some interesting thoughts on Purdy and the Niners.

[Tyler Dunn]

I could see him trying to overextend.

[Buzz Knight]

Himself last year because there's a certain standard with the 49ers. This just wasn't the Same team. So a lot of times guys are.

[Jason McIntyre]

Going to try to do more than what they're not necessarily capable of doing, but do more than what they should.

[Buzz Knight]

Do to live up to the standard that's been set.

[Jason McIntyre]

I think this is a reset with.

[Buzz Knight]

Some of the changes on that roster on both sides of the ball. With a new receiving crew and with CMC back, the opportunity is there for.

[Jason McIntyre]

Brock Purdy to do some big things.

[Buzz Knight]

I think this is kind of a.

[Tyler Dunn]

Refresher for the 49ers. I don't know if they'll be dominant.

[Jason McIntyre]

Early, but we'll see if they gain.

[Buzz Knight]

Some traction and get going as the season goes along.

[Jason McIntyre]

But I think Purdy is the least of their worries.

[Buzz Knight]

I think he's kind of the north pole that everybody can kind of look.

[Jason McIntyre]

To to guide them. Yeah, it definitely feels like. I like his choice of words. A reset. They, you know, purge four or five defensive starters who had gotten old. They move on from Debo Samuel. There were some reports he was a bit of an issue in the locker room about wanting to get paid, but just simply having a healthy McCaffrey is going to be huge. They need Juwan Jennings healthy. They need Brandon Iuk back. I mean, the, the table is set for the Niners to crush, as I said earlier, 15 of 17 games. They're favored next season and for all this, well, Brock wasn't great last year. We showed the numbers earlier guys. He had a better season statistically than Stafford, then Herbert, than Stroud. But those guys, you know, they were either number one or number two or what I heard where it was like five or six. They were high top ten picks. So they get the benefit of the doubt. Brock Purdy was the dead last pick in the draft. They're never giving him the benefit of the doubt. However, Greg Cosell, cowherds guy, really likes some of the things he's seen from.

[Buzz Knight]

Brock Purdy in terms of being what we call a post snap operator. In other words, when he takes the snap, he has such an intuitive feel for what he sees and therefore he's a really, really good timing and anticipation thrower. It's just innate to him. He sees it really quickly. So Purdy is a high level post snap operator. He's a really, really good player. Purdy is a really good quarterback. He's just not a dynamic athlete who's necessarily going to make those kind of special plays on his own. But as a pocket quarterback, he's pretty high level.

[Jason McIntyre]

So obviously Cosell studies all these guys. You know, Rachel, when People talk who's the best quarterback in the nfc. We heard Tyler earlier. I like, I like Jordan. Love you. Ask how herd it's going to be, Stafford or Goff. Other people may lean toward. I don't know. Dak Prescott's the highest paid quarterback in the league.

[Rachel Nichols]

Sure.

[Jason McIntyre]

I'm a Jalen Hurts guy. Brock Purdy's name never comes up. The narrative around him. It annoys me to no end. It irks me. I feel like I'm an underdog. Brock Purdy's an underdog. Where are you on Purdy?

[Rachel Nichols]

I think he's better than people think. I think just being the last player in the draft is always going to shape people's opinions of him. No matter what he accomplishes, even if he wins the super bowl, people will say, oh, can you believe it? Mr. Irrelevant won a Super Bowl. I mean, it will always be there for him. I think that he is underrated. I don't know if I would go so far as to put him the best quarterback in the nfc. I think some of the other guys you've been naming certainly just have more credentials. Right. And there is a point in sports for me where it's always, okay, do it and if you've done it, then I'm going to grade you higher.

[Jason McIntyre]

We forget he was in the super bowl against Mahomes and led them in overtime for the game. Go ahead, drive. They had to settle for a field goal. Spagnolo dialed up a great blitz at the right time and then the vaunted defense couldn't stop Mahomes and they had kind of a great play to end the game and win. Purdy wasn't bad in that Super Bowl.

[Rachel Nichols]

Absolutely not. Again, I think he's way underrated. I just to me, unless. Until you like your point about Jalen Hurts who. I think, I think some of the criticism is fair about Jaylen because, you know, if he gets over a certain number of play of throws a game, I think it's actually only like 30 when the average is 32. But they don't have as good a record, so. And he threw the least that he has since his rookie year last year when they won the Super Bowl. So that, that's a little bit of why there's a knock on Jaylen. But to me, to your point, this guy's been in two Super Bowls. He's won one. I mean, he's been an exceptional quarterback. I gotta give him more credit than the guy who hasn't done it yet. But the guy who hasn't Done it yet's pretty good.

[Jason McIntyre]

I, I gotta side with you there. I, maybe we, if we were to rank quote, do you think Purdy's top 10 in the league or no.

[Rachel Nichols]

Those numbers, I was very moved by those numbers you put up at the top of the show, that sort of blind taste test thing. Because I mean striking. When you look at those numbers and they're not cherry picked, sometimes those are cherry picked, those comparisons. You put all of the major passing stats, all the major quarterback stats. He's ahead of Stafford, he's ahead of some of those other guys.

[Jason McIntyre]

And remember, it's not like he had McCaffrey. No. Brandon Ayuk was down. He was working with not total backups, but like second tier guys.

[Rachel Nichols]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

Now Stroud was missing Diggs, he went down with the injury. Herbert really didn't have receivers other than Lad McConkey. Stafford did have his guy Puka, but Cooper cup was kind of hurt. So you can, you can split hairs there. But quarterback is just so fascinating. I love ranking these guys because it's subjective. Like you might have C.J. stroud top seven. I might have him like 10 or 12.

[Rachel Nichols]

I'm worried that this year is the year that Matthew Stafford, just because of his health, just because of his health, there's no minor back injury, he's going to get beat up. I just think we're going to see that ranking fall a bit.

[Jason McIntyre]

It could be a tough one for the Rams. Or they could go to the Super Bowl.

[Rachel Nichols]

They could.

[Jason McIntyre]

The range of outcomes for, for the Rams is. It's crazy. All right, now we're actually going to go to break and we will come back and wrap up the show. It's Wednesday. This was a good one. We did have more breaking news, folks. It just happens every day.

[Buzz Knight]

Hi, I'm Buzz Knight, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast. And join me for an upcoming episode with Seth McFarland, the creator of Family Guy, talking, talking about his new Frank Sinatra music project.

[Buzz Knight (continued) / Interviewee]

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