THE HERD - Hour 3 - Three time Super Bowl Champion Eric Mangini joins The Herd

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Hour 3 – November 12, 2025
Main Guest: Eric Mangini (Three-time Super Bowl Champion, NFL Head Coach)

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Episode Overview

This hour tackles head coach vacancies and fits (particularly in New York), decision-making for young NFL quarterbacks, current turmoil on NFL teams, and the trajectories of notable players. Special attention is paid to the fit of established head coaches, development and payment of young quarterbacks, team-specific issues (like the Packers’ offense and Eagles’ receiver drama), and the unique journey of players like Sam Darnold and Rob Gronkowski.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Giants’ Coaching Search and Leadership Dilemma

• [01:50–06:48]
  • Colin Cowherd advocates for Mike McCarthy as Giants coach: experienced, used to big markets, has "won with Cooper Rush, Dak, Aaron."
  • Eric Mangini agrees experience is crucial in messy organizations: “For an organization that's had as many problems as the Giants to get an established head coach...is really attractive. But typically guys don't get three head coaching shots. That's not the norm.” [04:46]
    • Mentions Belichick as a possibly fascinating, though improbable, fit—but notes age/personnel troubles.
    • Pushes back on keeping GM Joe Shane: “Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense...the coach is fired mid season. Doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense.” [05:48]

2. On Young Quarterbacks and Big Contracts

• [06:48–09:15, 40:10–43:51]
  • Colin asks: Of 11 QBs aged 25 and under, who would Mangini pay $300M for today?
  • Mangini is skeptical of flavor-of-the-month QBs:
    “I wouldn't be signing a check for Drake May at this point. Drake May to me, is just this year's Jaden Daniels. And Jaden Daniels was last year's C.J. Stroud...You’ve got to be able to see these guys do it consistently.” [07:56]
    • Jayden Daniels is Mangini’s top young QB; sees C.J. Stroud’s career as streaky, not "the franchise guy" yet.
    • Explains the ripple effect of mega-contracts: “Those guys have to be force multipliers because you can't then go pay everybody else. The quarterback just makes too much money.” [40:10]
    • Mac Jones as bargain efficiency: “And now Mac Jones goes out there and he’s playing at a really high level for 3% of what Purdy’s making." [40:36]

3. Fixing the Packers’ Broken Offense

• [09:15–11:00]
  • Colin: Packers haven’t scored on an opening drive since week 4; is it LaFleur? Love? Injuries?
  • Mangini:
    “The Tucker Kraft injury was a really bad one. He was looking like a pretty big safety blanket for Jordan Love...he's typically either red hot or mid.” [09:46]
    • Jordan Love hasn’t elevated as expected post-contract.
    • Notes inconsistent performance: team effective on 3rd down/red zone, but “playing down to your level of comp.”
    • Green Bay’s young QB woes mirror wider league trends.

4. The Redemption Arc of Sam Darnold

• [16:51–21:54]
  • Colin praises Indiana’s Mendoza as NFL-ready; then transitions to Darnold’s journey.
  • Mangini’s film breakdown:
    • Darnold’s success started late in Carolina; first in completions, yards, TDs, and QB rating on deep balls for Seattle.
    • “He can hit you at any point with these home run balls that a lot of guys can’t do.” [18:12]
      • Describes play-action deep ball vs. Cardinals—accuracy and timing, even rolling left as a righty.
  • Colin credits Seahawks’ GM savvy: “He got Sam [Darnold] basically for less money than Geno [Smith]...When I watch him play, I see an elite quarterback. That’s what I see.” [20:56]
  • Mangini: Sam Darnold gives “every former first round draft pick who struggled hope...If you stay with these guys...everybody develops at different rates.” [21:26]

5. A.J. Brown Drama & Eagles Discord

• [22:08–25:26]
  • J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) details A.J. Brown publicly expressing frustration in a livestream:
    “It’s a poop show. Struggling, brother...If you’ve got me on fantasy, man, get rid of me.” [22:23]
  • Colin wonders if late-game play calls were message-sending: “Was that basically, A.J., shut the bleep up. We’re going to throw it deep to you...” [23:01]
  • Nick Sirianni is questioned about A.J. Brown and is visibly frustrated under the pressure:
    “I’m close to being done answering questions about this. He’s working hard...big part of the game plan.” [23:22]
  • Broad discussion: “Body language” and fit matter for receivers; hard to maintain happiness as situations change.
    “Everybody’s on their best behavior when you’re winning, and it’s early...temperamental wide receivers, they want the ball.” [24:37]

6. The Hall of Fame, Russell Wilson, & Quarterback Legacies

• [26:56–28:36]
  • J. Mac: Mike Kafka names Jameis Winston Giants starter, Russell Wilson slips behind.
  • Colin: “How many quarterbacks have played their way out of the Hall of Fame?” [26:56]
    • Considers Russell Wilson’s trajectory post-Seattle as damaging (“Denver, Steelers, Giants. It doesn’t help.” [27:17])
    • Debates Philip Rivers vs. Wilson as borderline Hall candidates.

7. Rob Gronkowski’s One-Day Retirement as a Patriot

• [28:53–30:28]
  • Gronk signs a ceremonial one-day contract to retire as a Patriot.
    “This means a lot to me, big time. Because I'm a...I'm a New England Patriot...all because of you guys, was all because of the fans here in New England.” [28:53 – Gronk]
  • Colin on Gronk: “He was dominant. It was just hard to defend him in his prime. He would hurt people...some of his sound bites after games where he knew he was going to get in trouble...” [29:25]
  • J. Mac: Gronk’s TV persona is authentic and a natural extension of his football persona. “He’s doing a great job after his NFL career here at Fox.” [30:28]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Giants’ head coaching search:
  “For an organization that's had as many problems as the Giants to get an established head coach...who's not going to go through that learning curve is really attractive.” – Eric Mangini [04:46]
• On contract risk and young QBs:
  “Drake May to me, is just this year's Jaden Daniels. And Jaden Daniels was last year's C.J. Stroud...You’ve got to be able to see these guys do it consistently.” – Eric Mangini [07:56]
• On Jordan Love:
  “...over the course of his career, he’s typically either red hot or mid.” – Eric Mangini [09:46]
• On Sam Darnold’s resurgence:
  “He can hit you at any point with these home run balls that a lot of guys can’t do.” – Eric Mangini [18:12] “He’s given every former first round draft pick who struggled hope.” – Eric Mangini [21:26]
• On A.J. Brown drama:
  “It’s a poop show. Struggling, brother...If you’ve got me on fantasy man, get rid of me.” – A.J. Brown (per J. Mac) [22:23] “Everybody’s on their best behavior when you’re winning, and it’s early...temperamental wide receivers, they want the ball.” – Colin Cowherd [24:37]
• On Gronkowski’s retirement:
  “This means a lot to me, big time. Because I'm a...I'm a New England Patriot.” – Rob Gronkowski [28:53]
• On blending traits and experience for QBs:
  “When I look at those two [Mendoza vs. Ty Simpson], Mendoza just jumps off the TV screen...that final drive against Penn State was, wow, that is Sunday stuff.” – Colin Cowherd [36:07]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Giants/Coaching Search (Mike McCarthy, Belichick): 01:50–06:48
• Young QBs & Big Contracts: 06:48–09:15, 40:10–43:51
• Packers’ Offense Woes: 09:15–11:00
• Sam Darnold’s NFL Journey: 16:51–21:54
• A.J. Brown/Eagles Drama: 22:08–25:26
• Russell Wilson/Hall of Fame Debate: 26:56–28:36
• Rob Gronkowski’s Retirement Moment: 28:53–30:28
• QB Traits & Final Word on Mendoza vs. Ty Simpson: 36:07–40:43

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Episode Takeaways

• Experience matters more than upside for leadership-starved NFL franchises, but head coaching opportunities rarely come three times.
• The NFL remains “what have you done for me lately”—especially with quarterbacks. Caution reigns for big deals; durability is invaluable.
• Locker room fits and changing offensive environments (see: A.J. Brown, Packers) are every bit as pivotal as talent.
• NFL careers can be resurrected with patience, right system, and support—Sam Darnold’s journey is the new Geno Smith.
• Rob Gronkowski’s legacy is cemented as a “Patriot for life,” with authentic charisma that ensures post-football stardom.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a masterclass in how front office decisions, player temperament, and ever-shifting league economics combine to make or break both individual careers and team trajectories. It’s candid, often irreverent, filled with smart breakdowns—and offers plenty of “wait, did they really just say that?” moments, especially for fans obsessed with the NFL’s quarterback carousel.

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[Eric Mangini]

You're not nuts, are you? For an organization that's had as many problems as the Giants to Get an established head coach with the experience and who's not going to go through that learning curve is really attractive. But typically guys don't get three head coaching shots. That's not the norm. To me, this would have been. If Bill had sat. If Bill Belichick had sat out a year, another year and been available, I think this would have been a really interesting story and it could have gone full circle. And that's not a great fit either because of his age and some of the personnel issues he's had. But that at least is a compelling storyline and, you know, he'd get the defense fixed at a minimum.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, yeah. I don't love Belichick.

[Eric Mangini]

I, I don't love North Carolina. Belichick going there. I think it's, I think that that has kind of allowed the ship to sail.

[Colin Cowherd]

What do you make of the Giants keeping their gm Joe Shane?

[Eric Mangini]

I don't understand it at all, Con. And, and look, I'm a little bit biased with Brian Dabel because I've had a long relationship with him and he's worked for me and I know what a good coach he is and he was coach of the year to start, but we all saw on TV that they GM wanted to move on from Saquon Barkley and he definitely wasn't going to go in the division and he wasn't worth what, what anybody was going to pay him. And then he goes and has almost an MVP type season and arguably could have been the MVP if we didn't always name a quarterback. And then they, they do that to keep Daniel Jones and then they move on from Daniel Jones. They eat all of the dead money. And here we are a year later and Daniel Jones is doing what he's, what he's doing with the Colts. So that's the guy making the ultimate personnel decisions. Those are two dramatic organizational shaping decisions that not only affect you short term, but long term because of the dead money. And yet you have your job and the coach is fired mid season. Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, the. Okay, so I said this earlier. I said with these young quarterbacks, two things are true. It's usually not linear, it's bumpy, it's up, it's down, it's streaky. Second thing, who they get as their opening coach matters. Especially like you're Sam Darnold, 21. You didn't have a great coach in college. You go to the NFL, it's Adam Gates. It's like, that's a lot. That's a lot. So I said, here's the 11 quarterbacks, 25 and under. If by the end of today, business day, you have to sign a $300 million, you know, 160s guaranteed. I said, Drake May is my absolute C.J. stroud and Caleb Williams, probably my next two. But half of these I defended Bo Nicks. I'm like, he's durable. He never gets hurt. He's excellent late in games, college and pro, and he wins a bunch of games. I know it's not pretty, but if I told you, is there. Are. Are there two guys you could write that check for today? Of those 11.

[Eric Mangini]

Yeah. I wouldn't be signing a check for Drake May at this point. Drake May to me, is just this year's Jaden Daniels. And Jaden Daniels was last year's CJ Stroud. That's all it was. And he's hot right now. And everybody loves Drake May just like we love Jaden, just like we love CJ but you've got to be able to see these guys do it consistently and continue to improve. But look at the list of guys who've gotten big money. Love Tua Herbert, Trevor Purdy, the 49ers paying Purdy over a quarter of a billion dollars. And now Mac Jones goes out there and he's playing at a really high level for 3% of what Purdy's making. So you make these decisions that then affect everything moving forward because those guys have to be forced multipliers because you can't then go pay everybody else. The quarterback just makes too much money. So to me, I still like Jaden Daniels a lot. He would probably be my top guy on that. And then after that, it's a crapshoot. Who knows whether these guys are going to continue to elevate or whether we're going to see the sputtering out. You'd like to think C.J. stroud is a franchise guy, but there's been a lot of ups and downs that I didn't expect at this level to be.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, hey, we were talking about Green Bay is that they're broken. They haven't scored on their opening drive since Dallas Week four. So the scripted stuff's not good. The running game's not good. Craft is a great tight end out for the year. Read a clever receiver. He's banged up. Golden didn't play. Is it Lafleur? Is it Love? Is it the injuries? Like, how do you solve mid season, a broken offense?

[Eric Mangini]

The Tucker Kraft injury was a really bad one. He was looking like a pretty big safety blanket for Jordan Love. And when you look at Jordan Love over the course of his career, he's typically either red hot or mid. He's in that sort of 70 to 80 quarterback rating range and that's been frustrating to see. They do a lot of good things. They're willing to run the ball, they're number one in third down, they're pretty effective in the red area, but yet we see what we saw the last few games. Now I do think we need to grade the Eagles on a curve. This Eagles defense to me has gotten better. And then they got reinforcements with Jalen Phillips, so that's a better defense than what they've been throughout the course of the year. It's the Cleveland Browns loss, it's the Carolina Panthers loss, it's the Dallas Cowboys tie. It's playing down your your level of comp. And then for for Jordan Love, there's another great situation where they paid him a ton of money and you're expecting him to continue to elevate, but it's taking longer than than I think people expected because of how much he makes.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Dan Morgan]

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[Colin Cowherd]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Eric Mangini]

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[Katie Couric]

On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 30, 34 years in Congress, and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age.

[Colin Cowherd]

Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people out. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.

[Katie Couric]

His fighting oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.

[Colin Cowherd]

Does that sound like a radical idea? Is that too far left for you?

[Katie Couric]

Okay, okay, wait, wait. I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party.

[Colin Cowherd]

To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Hey there.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Daddy's looking good.

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Each week I invite someone fascinating to join me. Actors, musicians, creatives, highly evolved digital life forms. And we talk about what they love. Sometimes I'll drizzle a little honey in.

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There too, if I'm feeling sexy in the morning.

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What keeps them going?

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And you're maybe my biggest competition on social media. Like when a kid says bra to.

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[Colin Cowherd]

So I want to go back and I said this. I watched this Mendoza kid this weekend at Indiana. And that to me, big, big arm can move a little. Lots of college starts. That's an NFL quarterback. That last drive against Penn State on the road, I mean, Eric, it was just boom, boom, boom. And I mean, he had people in his face like that. That offensive line got pushed around, they couldn't run the ball. It was like that drive was. That was a Sunday drive. Dante Moore reportedly might stay. A lot of these college kids now with nil, they might stay. And I Said, well, I may go Mac Jones, I go Mendoza, Mac Jones. But my broader point was that's what Indiana did. They said, we're not going to draft another quarterback. We're going to get somebody in the league. Daniel Jones. Seattle said, we're not going to draft another quarterback. We're going to get Sam Darnold. That's what Tampa said. Jason Light, the gm, let's go get Baker. So Mendoza to me is a slam dunk. Max Jones would be my second pick. The rest of these guys aren't ready to starve. Let's talk Sam Darnold, who I would have never. I mean I stayed with him the whole time, but I don't think he's just a reclamation project. I think he looks like a top five quarterback now. Maybe he's not, but you broke down some film this week. What do you see all your years in the NFL? What do you see with Darnold?

[Eric Mangini]

Yes, the Sam Darnold elevation really started at the end of Carolina. He was 4 and 2 at Carolina and then he, and he goes has the really outstanding season last year. Now the end of the season that, that hurt him. And I think, I think there's, that's still the big question mark with him. And now he moves to Seattle and what he's been so good at is the deep ball in passes over 10 yards. He's first in completions, he's first in yards, he's first in touchdowns, he's first in quarterback rating. He's got all those things going for him. You know, he struggled a little bit in the second half and we're going to have to see how it goes when he gets to the playoffs. But let me show you a deep ball play that he had against the Cardinals, which is a really good look at what he can do and why he's so effective. So this is actually the first drive of the game and they just literally crossed midfield a couple plays earlier. They're going to run hard sell play action and with the hard sell play action they're going to end up blocking eight. So they're going to block the five offensive linemen, the two tight ends and the running back is going to stay in as well. And then Sam does a really good job on these play action fakes. You can see him extend the arm out here. He's selling it. And now Seattle's just going to run a two man route. So they've got Shahid running the over and then Jackson, Smith and Jigba. He's going to push vertically Then he's going to drive out to freeze the cornerback. Then he's going to push up the field, but it's simply a two man route. And then with the Cardinals, they're actually very effective at stopping deep balls. They're bringing pressure here and they actually get more pressure because so many guys bite on the play action and they've got a three deep zone behind it. So they're in a great defense to stop the deep ball. Seattle rolls Darnold out to his left. He's a right handed quarterback. Typically you throw this moving him to his dominant arm, not away from his dominant arm. Look at Njigba. He pushes out. Now that freezes the cornerback, the cornerback who is high on him. And you can see Darnold's going to let this go. Even though Njigba is not on top of the cornerback right now, he's got the confidence that he's going to be. But here's what's so important. He's outside the numbers. He's on top of the cornerback, but he's outside the numbers because he's got to stay away from this, this post safety who could potentially, if he's got a good break and fairly rangy, get to the bottom of the numbers or maybe a little bit wider. But watch how Sam places this ball even further away from the post safety is coming over and drops it right inside of Enzyba's arms. It's, it's really impressive, not only his placement but the fact that he did that rolling to his left as a right handed quarterback. And he can hit you at any point with these home run balls that a lot of guys can't do.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, no, he is, there is no question. John Snyder, the gm got a third round pick for Gino. He got Sam basically for less money than Gino. They hit it out of the park. And also Sam's in his prime. Sam is still. Sam came into the league. So I think he's only 27 or 28. When you watch him play, you can see he's right in the middle of his prime and he hasn't been banged up enough. So the injuries linger. When I watch him play, I see an elite quarterback. That's what I see.

[Eric Mangini]

And he's given every former first round draft pick who struggled hope because he went through. Yeah, he went through everything. He had multiple stops. And look, if you stay with these guys that are extremely talented, everybody develops at different rates. And you may hit on Geno. Smith did it and Sam's doing it. Baker, his second act has been impressive. So all these guys that everybody's labeling as a bust, who knows which one's going to hit next?

[Colin Cowherd]

Good stuff. Eric Mangini. Thanks, coach.

[Eric Mangini]

Great seeing it come.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right, J. Mac sitting around. He's ready to go with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Well, technically, I'm not sitting around listening, researching and also paying attention to A.J. brown. Collins, more drama with the Eagles wide receiver. Are you ready for this? So I know you are up on Twitch and all these videos.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, yeah, I love it.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Well, A.J. brown is popping off everywhere and he was taking part in a Madden video game live stream with one of these social media influencers who asked him, hey, man, how are things going? AJ Brown said, it's a poop show. Struggling, brother. This is like on a live stream to hundreds, thousands. I have no idea how many people watch this influencer. Brown also said, if you've got me on fantasy man, get rid of me. This came on the heels of the Monday Night Football game where, remember the Eagles call that bizarre play at the end of the game, instead of punting, they just threw a deep ball to A.J.

[Colin Cowherd]

Brown.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

It makes you wonder, was that basically, A.J. shut the bleep up. Yeah, we're going to throw it deep to you. And if we fail, who cares?

[Colin Cowherd]

The packers are. That's how I viewed it. Yeah. Yeah.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Just such a weird situation now. Here we go. Zach Berman, who covers the Eagles, said Nick Sirianni is getting bombarded within here the last hour.

[Colin Cowherd]

A.J.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Brown questions. Here's Sirianni. He's starting to lose it. Colin, I'm close to being done answering questions about this. He's working hard. He's a big part of this game plan and he'll be a big part of the game plan going forward. He's working crazy when he's here. We have this out.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm, I'm close to being done answering these questions with this. Like, he's working hard and he is a big part of this game plan and it'll be a big part of the game plan going forward. And he's working like crazy when he's here and I'm excited to have him.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

He sure sounds like it, doesn't he? It's like when somebody interviews you, are you excited to have J. Mac and you're like, yeah, I'm really excited to.

[Colin Cowherd]

Have him fired up.

[Eric Mangini]

Is.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Listen, I, I keep defending. I think it's going to be okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's not. It's not okay.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

I Mean, you, you seem like a crazy person trying to trade him in, like, week two. And everybody's like, coward's losing it.

[Colin Cowherd]

I, I, I got crushed for it. I'm like, guys, it's. You're trying to talk yourself into it. It is a bad fit. He doesn't mean he's a bad guy. I like AJ Brown, I like Stefan Diggs. But their fit matters for wide receivers.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

You can't win the super bowl, obviously. Saquon Barkley was great. Go to another super bowl with him and call it a bad situation.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, no, no, no. That, that's, that's false. Everybody's on their best behavior when you're winning, and it's early. But relationships, marriages, businesses, you have to view them broadly over the course of time. A.J. brown, last year, they're winning, he's getting good looks. But now devonte Smith has developed and, and now the run game's not as good and the offense is sputtering and he wants the ball more. And this, this has developed into a, We've seen this to. Wasn't a problem with the Knighters initially. Stefan Diggs wasn't an issue with Buffalo initially. Randy Moss was great in New England initially, but temperamental wide receivers, they want the ball. They're on an island. So it is, it is developed into a poor fit.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

It's so weird. If you look at the contenders, we're like, oh, I don't know. Jordan Love could be a problem for the Packers. Questions about the Lions play calling. You know, Dan Campbell's taking over. There aren't any questions about specific position players on any of these contenders except AJ Brown. I will say this con. I think we agree they're gonna need him to win the super bowl or even get to it, right? What's the path to the Super bowl without A.J. brown?

[Colin Cowherd]

Devontae Smith. Oh, please.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Come on.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

He's not even a number one receiver. Well, I mean, Saquon Barkley barely can run the football.

[Colin Cowherd]

There's no. Nowhere to go.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

I don't know. I mean, they're probably going to get a buy in the first round and play the second round. I don't know that there are a lot. Colin, this is loaded. Nfc, Rams, Seahawks. Hell, the Lions are not bad. I'm worried about A.J. brown. Clean it up, brother. All right, next story. Colin is the New York Giants. Big news here in the last 90 minutes. Mike Kafka has announced that Jameis Winston is going to be the starter against the Green Bay packers this weekend. Jackson dart in the concussion protocol because he literally lives in the blue tent. Jameis bypassing Russell Wilson in the pecking order. Russell Wilson filled in. I think he filled in on a drive and then had three drives to end the game against the Bears. He had a total of like 7 yards or something like that in 12th place. That's not great for Russia, I think. Do they cut him and let him go be a backup somewhere else? I. I don't know. But if I'm the Green Bay Packers.

[Colin Cowherd]

Let me ask you, how many quarterbacks have played their way out of the hall of Fame?

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

That's tough, man. I played his way out of the hall of Fame.

[Eric Mangini]

What's your.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Isn't this the pregnancy thing? You're either pregnant or you're not. You're either in the hall of Fame or you're not.

[Colin Cowherd]

Russell Wilson was a go either way. Leaving Seattle, Denver disaster, Pittsburgh disaster, Giants disaster.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Yeah, not great.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, Philip Rivers, either way, goes to Indy, goes 11 and 5 and like for a year saves the Colts. That's absolutely a credit on the.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Would you go. Oh, that's a good one. Russell Wilson or Philip Rivers?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, Philip Rivers went to a second place and was a one year wonder.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Did he get to a Super Bowl? Well, it can't all be. Was he ever like a top three MVP finalist or anything?

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, again, Philip Rivers probably doesn't get in, but one of the arguments for him is, bro, he was least athletic guy in the league. Went to indy and won 11 games and went to Buffalo and was in for a dogfight against Josh Allen. Yeah, Russell was go either way. Denver, Steelers, Giants. It doesn't help.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Yeah, no, no. I'm a rust guy. Not just because I look a little bit like him, I've been told, but I think he had such a good run. An underdog came out of the middle rounds, spectacular. Took heat from Richard Sherman and all.

[Colin Cowherd]

The Legion of Blues. I'm not saying yes or no. I'm just saying. It's just watching him now getting usurped by Jameis Winston. Not great.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Dropping SAT vocab words out here in our number three. Geez. All right, final story. Is Rob Gronkowski pretty cool. He's officially retired from the NFL. He signed a one day contract to officially retire as a Patriot today. Here's Gronk on retiring in Foxborough.

[Dan Morgan]

This means a lot to me, big time. Because I'm a. I'm a New England Patriot.

[Eric Mangini]

I'm a Patriot for life.

[Dan Morgan]

My career started here at 100% needed to end here. There's no doubt about that. I mean, the whole Gronk Persona, everything about myself was all because of you guys. Was all because of the fans here in New England. Was all because of my teammates accepting me and everyone else here.

[Eric Mangini]

You know, just accepting who I was from the very beginning and embracing me.

[Dan Morgan]

And letting me just play the game of football out on the football field.

[Colin Cowherd]

My favorite part of Gronk, because I've been on the set with him a couple times, is when you go back to those New England days and he was, I mean, he was dominant. It was just hard to defend him in his prime. He would, he would hurt people and, and some of his sound bites after games where he knew he was going to get in trouble. And I mean, Belichick's got a couple of laugh out loud stories. Brady and Belichick have stories about Gronk at practice. You know, he's practical joke guy.

[Eric Mangini]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

But I'm trying to think of the best tight ends I've ever seen. Kellen, Winslow, Gronk, Tony Gonzalez, Shannon Sharp's got Shannon Sharp, Travis Kelce, Antonio Gates.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Yeah, there's been a lot of good ones. I'll say this, I was only on a TV set with him once, but somebody smart pointed him and said, you see J. Mac, you see what he's doing? He's authentic. That's the real dude. He's not faking the funk. He's not trying to clean it up. Just do you, because Gronk is doing him. He's going to be a TV star and obviously he's doing a great job after his NFL career here at Fox.

[Colin Cowherd]

Genuinely good guy, J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. You know, if you listen to the show, we absolutely want more. Heard the herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Breaking news. Not everything's terrible. We repeat, not everything is terrible. The ripple effect is proof that the Internet hasn't ruined humanity entirely. Hosted by Jenna Kim Jones, funny and uplifting podcast spotlights the quiet, powerful ways people still choose good. Each episode features real stories of kindness, of barbers changing more than just their client's haircut, of the secret life, of leftover hotel soap, of vending machines that dispense just the help somebody needs. Like magic. If you're tired of outrage, if your thumbs are sore from doom scrolling, or if you just need a reason to smile again, this podcast is your new favorite scroll break. It's heartfelt, hopeful, a gentle reminder. Goodness is still out there. Surprisingly contagious too. So put down your phone, pick up your faith in humanity, and join Jenna for the ripple effect. It's a reminder that you can start a ripple that changes everything. Listen to the ripple effect on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey.

How's it going today?

[Colin Cowherd]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's pretty awesome. Why do you guys think you win so many cases?

[Dan Morgan]

The insurance companies and other companies that we go against know that we're going to take it to the end, that we believe in the case. So we fight for every dollar, and we're not afraid to go that extra mile for our clients.

[Colin Cowherd]

Are insurance companies, like, actually afraid of you guys?

[Dan Morgan]

We don't bluff. We take it to trial. And we are not strangers of getting very, very, very large verdicts.

Awesome.

[Colin Cowherd]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24 7. 365.

[Eric Mangini]

Wow.

[Colin Cowherd]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Katie Couric]

On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 30, 34 years in Congress, and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age.

[Colin Cowherd]

Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.

[Katie Couric]

His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.

[Colin Cowherd]

Does that sound like a radical idea? Is that too far left for you?

[Katie Couric]

Okay, okay, wait, wait. I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party.

[Colin Cowherd]

To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.

[Katie Couric]

Open your free iHeartRadio app search next question with Katie Couric. And listen now.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm Eva Longoria. And I'm Maite Gomez Rejohn. And on our podcast Hungry for History, we mix two of our favorite food and history. Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells and they called these ostrakon to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster. No way.

[Colin Cowherd]

Bring back the ostracon.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

And because we've got a very mi casa es su casa kind of vibe on our show, friends always stop by.

[Colin Cowherd]

Pretty much every entry into this side of the planet was through the El Golf of Mexico. El Golfo de Mexico continuadaciendo a si forever and ever.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It blows me away how progressive Mexico was in this moment. They had land reform, they had labor rights, they had education rights. Mustard seeds were so valuable to the ancient Egyptians that they used to place them in their tombs for the afterlife. Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

Hey there.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

I'm Kyle McLaughlin. You might know me as that guy from Twin Peaks, Sex and the City, or just the Internet's dad. I have a new podcast called what Are We Even Doing? Where I embark on a noble quest to understand the brilliant chaos of youth culture.

[Colin Cowherd]

Daddy's looking good.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Each week I invite someone fascinating to join me. Actors, musicians, creatives, highly evolved digital life forms. And we talk about what they love. Sometimes I'll driz a little honey in.

[Eric Mangini]

There too if I'm feeling sexy in the morning.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

What keeps them going?

[Colin Cowherd]

And you're maybe my biggest competition on social media. Like when a kid says bra to.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Me and how they're navigating this high speed roller coaster we call reality.

[Colin Cowherd]

In Australia, you're looking out for snakes, spiders and boys, right? Hey, he's no Trey McDougal. Chill. This is like the comments section of my Instagram.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Join me and my delightful guests every Thursday and let's get weird together in a good way. Listen to what are we even doing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, it's interesting through the years when I've chatted with NFL draft directors or scouts or executives, it's interesting with quarterbacks how often they will point to a specific play or specific drive. I remember this with Josh Allen specifically and say we're going to draft him based on two throws he made at Wyoming. Like he's raw. He makes a lot of mistakes, but he makes a couple of throws at Wyoming where people are like, I've never seen anything like that. Nobody in the NFL can make that throw. And so when I was watching Saturday, watching Fernando Mendoza, Penn State knew he had to throw. He's on the road, major pass rush, and he's just throwing dart after dart after dart. Penn State knows he's throwing. Penn State's coverage all knows he's throwing the ball. He not running the ball. You're not fooling anybody. And he is running and moving and throwing. And that drive alone to me is like, oh, that's the number one pick in the draft. Just big boy throws. And Penn State had all the momentum in that game, all of it. Indiana couldn't run this drive. They had no choice but to throw. Even the game winner. He's throwing it back, foot jumping in the air, getting clobbered. And nothing against Ty Simpson at Bama. But I haven't seen that. I haven't seen a throw where I'm like, whoa, he's got a cleaner pocket. He's got higher rated teammates. I think, you know, Alabama's Alabama. Ty Simpson's got a cleaner pocket. He probably got better, elite quality receiving targets. And I'm not saying the schedule hasn't been tougher. And I'm not saying that Ty Simpson can't play. Ty Simpson spent three years at Bama as a backup, wasn't doing anything. And he's older, so he should be a little bit better. But when I look at those two, Mendoza just jumps off the TV screen. And that final drive against Penn State was, wow, that is. That is Sunday stuff. Here's Joel Klatt. Earlier on those two quarterbacks. Mendoza started two years at Cal and now a year at Indiana. So he's highly experienced. I value that a lot more than even just these, these few games of tape that Ty Simpson has played at Alabama, who doesn't have that body of work from. From a starts perspective. Now, that doesn't mean that Mendoza is definitely going to be better than Ty Simpson. It means that those two decisions for Mendoza, whether he wants to come out or not or. And Ty Simpson are different because of their experience level and how much experience they have. You have to be careful about getting sucked in to a big win. Like Johnny Manziel beat Bama at Bama and everybody's like, wow. It's like, well, what are the traits? Johnny Manziel's tiny, Mendoza's huge. Manzel's arm is okay. Mendoza's is huge. Like, like you can't be blown away by individual moments. You also have to go back to traits. But it's, it's hard to watch that and not just see an NFL starting quarterback like very quickly. And by the way, two years at Cal and then one year at Indiana, he not playing with five star guys. He's got good coaches at both places, but he's doing it with a lot of three star recruits and I don't know, just on the road, have to throw big pass rush, big, accurate great throws, you know, that only one person can catch him. I was blown away by it. But you know, these young quarterback. Eric Mangini was just on. We talked about if you look at the 11 quarterbacks in this league, 25 or under, and if, you know, let's say you're the GM and you had to make a decision on every one of them, do you give them the big contract today or do you just go back to the draft? It's hard. I mean most of these guys can't stay healthy. Drake May's healthy, Caleb's healthy, Bo Nick's healthy. Everybody else been banged up and here, here's, here's Mangini on young quarterback play and extensions and when to know you got the right guy, you've got to.

[Eric Mangini]

Be able to see these guys do it consistently and continue to improve. Look at the list of guys who've gotten big money. Love Tua Herbert, Trevor Purdy, the 49ers paying Purdy over a quarter of a billion dollars. And now Mac Jones goes out there and he's playing at a really high level for 3% of what Purdy's making. So you make these decisions that then affect everything moving forward because those guys have to be forced multipliers because you can't then go pay everybody else.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, it's just interesting with young quarterbacks. I mean, Jaden Daniels, 10 months ago, no brainer. Ten months ago, Caleb Williams bordering on. Oh, this isn't going to work at all. Okay, A lot changes. So it's just everybody now is out on Bo Nix and I'm like durable in college in the pros, excellent fourth quarter numbers and wins a lot at Oregon and wins a lot in Denver. Be very careful about just now. Now I said if this continues for the next seven weeks, like if he, what if he's good this weekend against Kansas City. Last year he had a passer rating at like 130 against the Chiefs in spags. So the Bo Knicks one's fascinating because I really like Bo Knicks, but he's, he's really regressed this year. So my take is let's just, let's see another seven, eight games. And if this is just what it is, you know, then Denver with their second or third pick, maybe like, let's get some competition in the quarterback room. But you got to be careful. Undervalued is durability. Caleb Williams does not get hurt. Bo Nix does not get hurt. That is a, that is an under and that is a skill. Don't kid yourself. Avoiding contact, knowing how to sack, get rid of the ball. Bo Nix does not take sacks. He, and you can say, oh, it's the old line. He just doesn't take sacks. He gets rid of that thing fast. And for the record, that probably speaks to some of his deep ball issues. Probably could give it another beat. His thing is, I don't want to get sacked. I don't want negative plays. Which by the way is the number one improvement all year for Caleb Williams. It's not flashy plays, it's not accuracy. It's not Caleb's number one improvement. He's not taking negative plays. And that's Bo Nix's strength. Durable, doesn't take negative plays, gets rid of the ball, doesn't get sacked. I did. I hope J. Mac noticed that, that, that even Eric Mangini noticed that you're paying Mac Jones 3% of Brock Purdy. And Mac looks good. Like really good.

[J. Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

I can't reason with you on this topic, so I'm just going to stand down. You know, you don't like Purdy. You have a beef with him because he can't hold a football in rain because he's not 64 and strapping and built like an Adonis. Well, I can't do anything about that, but I can just put his numbers up. If you want to put his career NFL numbers and you don't get to cherry pick. Oh, let's pick these stats that make Caleb look better. Unequivocally, Brock Purdy has been a better NFL quarterback than Caleb Williams, full stop. It's not even close.

[Colin Cowherd]

For the record, Bo Nix's passer rating over this seven game winning streak, it's not terrible. It's 87. I mean, C.J. stroud. The last two years is bordering in 89. And so, I mean, it's just the Bo Knicks negativity. And when I said it, I'm like, if I get this for another seven weeks, maybe your third pick in the draft. Hey, Denver's got a pretty stacked roster. Woo. And I like Bonix.

[Katie Couric]

On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years, and today he even throws a few questions my way.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right, are you ready for another question? Go ahead, hit me, Bernie.

[Katie Couric]

We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

Join me, Danny Trejo in Nocturnal Tales from the Shadows, an anthology of modern day horror stories inspired by the legends and lore of Latin America. Listen to Nocturnal Tales from the Shadow on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Eric Mangini]

I'm Marcus Grant.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Eric Mangini]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Jenna World, Jenna Jameson, Vivid Video and the Valley is a new podcast about the history of the adult film industry.

[Katie Couric]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Eric Mangini]

Yo, yo, yo, yo. Can we get a Thanksgiving first? I'm hungry.

[Colin Cowherd]

What's up, y'?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

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[Eric Mangini]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Eric Mangini]

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