THE HERD - Hour 3 - Todd McShay stops by The Herd

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 3

Date: December 18, 2025
Main Theme:
This episode of The Herd centers on the intersection of NFL and college football, with a special focus on quarterback evaluation, draft strategy, and the evolving priorities of NFL franchises. Colin Cowherd, alongside guests Todd McShay and Rich Eisen, dive deep into prospect rankings, quarterback development, and the philosophical debates surrounding draft value and player development, while mixing in key college matchups and NFL playoff observations.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Quarterback Prospects – Giants’ Dilemma and Draft QBs [03:28 – 06:48]

• Topic: If the NY Giants get the #1 draft pick, should they stick with Jackson Dart or draft Mendoza?
  • Colin’s Framing: Jackson Dart has exceeded expectations, but Mendoza is seen as a bigger, possibly higher-ceiling QB.
  • Todd McShay’s Strategy:
    • He would keep Jackson Dart and trade the pick for a "ransom" to QB-needy teams, leveraging the unusually deep 2027 quarterback class.
    • “Next year could be one of the deepest, best drafts of the quarterback position...since I’ve been doing this.” (Todd McShay, 04:29)
    • Maintain flexibility to draft a QB next year if Dart struggles with injuries.
  • Memorable Quote:
    • “The demand is always higher at the quarterback position than the supply but it certainly will be this year.” (Todd McShay, 05:41)

2. QB Comparisons: Caleb Williams vs. Bo Nix [06:48 – 09:11]

• Topic: Differences and similarities between top QB prospects.
  • Colin:
    • “Caleb's got a better arm than Bo Nix. Bo Nix is more accurate...you can't love one and not the other.” (06:48)
  • Todd McShay:
    • Thought Bo Nix was a second-round prospect; Sean Payton “went against the grain” and drafted him higher because of scheme fit.
    • “Bo Nix in Denver wouldn’t be the same guy if he was drafted by the Jets or...Browns.” (Todd McShay, 07:53)
    • Caleb Williams is simply more talented, with better arm and athleticism.
    • “I probably trust Bo Nix a little bit more in Sean Payton’s system because this was a handpicked deal and Sean Payton got this right.” (Todd McShay, 08:49)

3. The Sam Darnold Rollercoaster [09:11 – 12:02]

• Colin: Reminisces about his high hope for Sam Darnold and the fit with the Seahawks.
• Todd McShay:
  • Praises John Schneider (Seahawks GM) for being a “scout at heart” and notes Seattle’s smart roster moves have left them younger and more competitive.
  • “I just want to see Sam put it all together at the end of the season...when he was 21 and playing for the Jets, who could do that?” (Todd McShay, 12:01)

4. Top 10 Prospects and Receiver Value [12:02 – 15:05, 23:06 – 25:40]

• Focus:
  • Draft depth, especially wide receiver.
  • Makai Lemon and Carnell Tate are highlighted as standouts; this receiver class outperformed expectations.
  • Dante Moore Analysis:
    • “He’s the best pure passer in college football...throws the most catchable ball.” (Todd McShay, 12:51)
    • Huge potential but should return for more college experience—25 years of data show prospects with fewer starts have lower NFL success.
    • “I'd love to see him back in college football next year even though it makes for a less exciting NFL draft.” (Todd McShay, 14:46)
  • On Receiver Value in the Draft:
    • “If you have Makai Lemon 19th best player to 23rd and your pick’s available, just go [take him]...just go get elite players.” (Rich Eisen, 25:29)
    • Debate: WRs are easier to find later in the draft, but a truly unique physical prospect (like Carnell Tate) justifies a first-round pick.

5. Drafting Quarterbacks – The Risk at #1 [25:40 – 26:28]

• Discussion:
  • Recent #1 overall QBs often haven’t been the best in their class (Bryce Young, Caleb Williams, Cam Ward).
  • Going to the “worst” franchise can be detrimental; sliding in the draft may be better for a prospect’s development.
  • “The worst teams continually do the dumbest things at the top of the draft.” (Rich Eisen, 26:28)

6. College Football Playoff & NFL Surprises [20:14 – 22:03, 37:22 – 42:35]

• Key games previewed: Alabama vs. Oklahoma, analysis of Ty Simpson.
  • Todd McShay:
    • Loves Ty Simpson’s upside but notes Bama’s run struggles.
    • Senses “something’s not right” in Tuscaloosa but admits football players can compartmentalize.
    • Picks Oklahoma narrowly but predicts a competitive matchup.
• NFL Playoff Surprises:
  • AFC less predictable due to injuries (e.g., Mahomes, Burrow).
  • NFC depth and coaching/quarterback pairings have led to upsets (e.g., Chicago, Seattle).
  • “The NFC is better than the AFC and has become the AFC in previous years.” (Colin Cowherd, 39:40)

7. Receiver Drama & Team Chemistry [31:05 – 35:06]

• George Pickens: Called out for avoiding media and being moody; concerns about his character and consistency raised.
• AJ Brown Trade Speculation:
  • Chiefs, Bills, and Patriots named as potential fits should Eagles part ways.
  • Wide receiver “diva” culture discussed and how strong locker rooms/coaching are needed to integrate personalities.

8. Rookie QB Watch – Shedeur Sanders & Jackson Dart [35:06 – 37:22]

• Topic: How do rookie QBs stack up?
  • Shedeur Sanders: Struggled but gets a pass for being shorthanded.
  • Colin:
    • Still not crowning Dart, Sanders, or Schuck as high-level franchise QBs yet, but recognizes promise.
    • “Jackson Dart has...been pretty good. And he’s tough. Like he doesn’t want to go into the blue tent.” (Colin Cowherd, 37:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It was one of the most onions filled decisions I've seen in a long time. Right. Sean Payton went against the grain...”
  — Todd McShay on Sean Payton drafting Bo Nix (07:41)
• “I have evidence from 25 years that I’ve gathered that the number of starts that [a QB] has… the chances of him succeeding with another 12, 13, 14 starts next year are significantly higher.”
  — Todd McShay urging Dante Moore to return to college (13:19)
• “The demand is always higher at the quarterback position than the supply but it certainly will be this year.”
  — Todd McShay (05:41)
• “The worst teams continually do the dumbest things at the top of the draft.”
  — Rich Eisen (26:28)
• “If you have Makai Lemon 19th best player to 23rd... just go get elite players.”
  — Rich Eisen on draft philosophy (25:29)
• “For a rookie with a pretty average offensive roster, I think Jackson Dart’s been pretty good. And he’s tough.”
  — Colin Cowherd (37:03)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:28 – 06:48: Giants’ draft dilemma with Jackson Dart and Mendoza
• 06:48 – 09:11: Caleb Williams vs. Bo Nix; Sean Payton’s fit
• 09:11 – 12:02: Sam Darnold’s journey and John Schneider’s Seahawks rebuild
• 12:02 – 15:05: Top draft prospects, WR and Dante Moore analysis
• 20:14 – 22:03: Alabama vs. Oklahoma playoff preview, Ty Simpson analysis
• 23:06 – 25:40: Philosophy on receiver value and draft strategy
• 25:40 – 26:28: The pitfalls of drafting QBs #1 overall
• 31:05 – 35:06: WR drama (Pickens, AJ Brown trade fits)
• 35:06 – 37:22: Rookie QB assessments (Shedeur Sanders, Dart)
• 37:22 – 42:35: NFL playoff surprises, AFC vs. NFC strength, observations

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Tone and Vibe

• Lively, opinionated, and often humorous with occasional self-deprecation (e.g., tall tales of predictions gone right or wrong).
• Analytical with a draft-nerd edge, but firmly rooted in contemporary football culture.
• Direct, occasionally brash, heavy on first-hand sourcing and illustrative anecdotes.

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Useful Takeaways

• QB Draft Strategy: Top pick is a valuable trade chip, especially with a deep next year’s class; don’t force a pick if you have a plausible starter and can collect resources.
• Development Over Hype: Both players and organizations are better served when QBs are allowed to mature with more college starts—NFL risk is higher when skipping steps.
• Drafting Philosophy: Take elite talent regardless of positional convention, but always weigh unique traits and organizational needs.
• NFL Landscape: Recent years have seen more unpredictable results, especially with quarterback injuries and team chemistry becoming decisive factors.

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Summary:
If you want deep, layered perspectives on the ever-evolving world of football, especially quarterback scouting and draft theory, this episode is a gold mine. Todd McShay brings decades of data and nuanced insight, Colin and Rich challenge convention, and together they deliver memorable debates on the futures of Jackson Dart, Dante Moore, Bo Nix, and the realities of both college and NFL football in 2025.

Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Richard Sherman]

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[Rich Eisen]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Well, he's one of the few people that covers the NFL and college equally well. Todd McShave and covering the NFL Draft since the late 90s, the Todd McShay Podcast. He's the host for the Ringer and he's joining us live from an undisclosed location. But a cool place nonetheless. And I know where it is and I'm not telling anybody. I apprec I threw out this balloon earlier. I said it would take some courage, but if the Giants end up with a number one pick, Jackson Dart is better than I thought he would be. I thought he was a second round quarterback, but not, not bad. But Lane Kiffin, Charlie Weiss helped. He's. I think he's grown very quickly. I can live with some of the blue tent stuff. He's young, learning the game. But Mendoza feels like a much higher grade, bigger guy. If you ran the New York Giants and Mendoza is there knowing Todd and I'll throw this out Todd knowing that the NIL is keeping a lot of these college quarterbacks out of the pros for a year, would you take Mendoza or stay with Jackson Dart?

[Todd McShay]

I would stay with Jackson Dart. Here's what I would do. Perfect world, right? You've got the the Raiders. If the draft were today, you've got the Raiders sitting at 2. Then you've got Cleveland at 4, the jets at 5 and the Rams at 10. All teams that are in the quarterback market probably the the Rams least of but they. They got a second first round pick in 2026 last year by making that move in preparation of finding this successor to Matthew Stafford. Maybe we're not there yet. Right. So may I could see them moving around to try to get another pick in 2027. That 2027 draft with Arch Manning, Julian saying we'll see about Dante Moore from Oregon. We'll see about Ty Simpson from Alabama after the playoff for both of those guys. Then you add a host of other Lenora Sellers going back to school at South Carolina. There's a bunch of quarterbacks next year could be one of the deepest, best drafts of the quarterback position and wide receiver since I've been doing this. Okay. And so without all of that in mind, you're sitting at one and maybe it's just Mendoza in the first round or maybe it's Mendoza and Dante Moore or Mendoza and Ty Simpson.

[Rich Eisen]

The.

[Todd McShay]

The demand is always higher at the quarterback position than the supply but it certainly will be this year. So what I would do if I were the Giants and it played out where we wind up having the first. The first overall pick. I'm getting a ransom for it because the teams I mentioned, not the Raiders that sending it to but the teams that want to get ahead of them. The Browns two first round picks, the jets two first round picks and compensation next year. So you're going to wind up with compensation that you normally wouldn't get probably and, and try to utilize that to get an additional pick next year where hopefully you're just looking for a wide receiver and another position player. But if you need to after a second season with Jackson Dart and if the, if the injuries start to add up and there's concern about it then you could pull the trigger on that. But I saw too much out of Jackson Dart. I'm a bigger fan than I was a bigger fan coming out of school of Jackson Dart than you were. So I kind of was expecting to see some of the positives but they're clearly like the book isn't closed that he's definitively the guy for the next decade. So that's. That would be my plan of attack if you were faced with that opportunity.

[Rich Eisen]

You know I've said this year Caleb's got a better arm than Bo Nix. Bo Nix is more accurate. 12 yards and under the swing passes the bubble screen that Bo's really good on that stuff. I said but you can't love one and not the other. They both have brilliant offensive coaches, good old lines. They are better in the fourth than in the first quarter, which is weird for young quarterbacks. They're uneven, super athletic. Both are. I mean, Bo Nix is really athletic. We know Caleb is. They're dynamic, they're coachable. Both Peyton and Ben are. They're demanding coaches. Were you high on Bo Nicks? Because I think a lot of people expected Caleb to be dynamic. And everybody now with Bo Nix is saying, well, he's got Sean Payton. Well, Caleb's got Ben Johnson. Where were you on Bo Nixon? Where are you on him now?

[Todd McShay]

I thought he was an early second round pick. And I got news for you. Most the league did too.

[Rich Eisen]

Yeah, yeah, it was one of.

[Todd McShay]

It was. It was one of the most onions filled decisions I've seen in a long time. Let's put it that way. Right. Sean Payton won against the grain and everyone else in the draft and. And he did it with a wide receiver this year. He did it with his running back, RJ Harvey this year. Yeah, he just. He sees in players exactly what he needs in his system. Bo Nixon, Denver wouldn't be Bo Nix the same guy as Bo Nix would be, let's say if he was drafted by the jets or if he was drafted by some of these other organizations like the Browns, the organizations that seemingly every year are at the top and we're talking about how they have a quarterback need. Again, Bo Nix just fits perfectly with what Sean's looking for and it hasn't all been beautiful and there's inconsistencies and do I trust him in the playoffs? No, I don't. And I'm okay saying that. But he's getting better and you're starting to see progression in the offense. I'll push back a little bit on. I see the similarities with Ian Caleb, but I will say Caleb's just more talented. Yeah, they're both good athletes. Caleb's a better athlete. They're both, you know. Yes, Bo is better inside 12 yards with accurate. See, but Caleb can make throws that Bo can't make and Bo can make a lot of throws. So that. That to me is the difference. It was coming out and it remains the same now. But in each, in each system, I'm trusting Caleb more but I probably trust Bo Nix a little bit more in Sean Payton's system because this was a handpicked deal and Sean Payton got this right.

[Rich Eisen]

I loved Sam Darnold. He'll be playing tonight from the very beginning. And then I.

[Todd McShay]

Me too, man.

[Rich Eisen]

We were.

[Todd McShay]

We were. It's so good to see his success, isn't it? Like a breath of fresh air. And I know the last year didn't end well, and this year you're worried that the same thing could pop up. But, man, did I have a high grade on Sam Darnold coming out.

[Rich Eisen]

You know, one of the things I liked about him is he came from a super athletic family, but they were very, like, grounded people. There was no bougie. They're just neat people. When John Snyder said, okay, I'm going to go for it, it's a team friendly deal, I'm going to go for it, and maybe I'll rephrase it. I knew that Shanahan liked him, I knew that Kevin o' Connell liked him, and I knew John Snyder liked him. Those are really smart guys. That's why I never gave up on Darnold. I'm like, all the people I trust in the league keep telling me he just needs. He was the youngest guy drafted the year he came out. He was like 21 years old. When you were, when Schneider went and got him this year for the Seahawks, was there trepidation? What were your sources saying? Or did a lot of people think, ah, John stole him?

[Todd McShay]

I, I raced to my editor to get. I couldn't write something down fast enough so it would be out there. Schneider, it's almost like he, he did it a certain way for a long time and he did it with Pete and then kind of was feeling his way through this, the new coaching regime and the Seahawks. But what I, when I look at what he did this offseason, I was like, oh, here, watch out. Schneider's going back to his roots. He's getting a younger, more talented version at quarterback, and he's getting ammunition to go win in the draft. And that's exactly what he did. He's a scout at heart, man. I like, I've known John since, since I started in this business. Jim Nagy, I started with working back in New York City in 1990 and they worked together in Green Bay and had. So I got to know John and at his core, he is a talent evaluator and a team builder. And he believes so much in, in the foundation from the draft. Right. So this allowed them to get younger at quarterback. The moves they made in the offseason with DK and getting, and getting rid of Gino allowed them to free up some cap space, get some more ammunition in terms of the draft, and you're seeing it pay off. I thought maybe it would take a year, but we're seeing it right away. And so this is a Seattle team. That is scary when. I mean, they have been clicking most of the season. I just want to see Sam put it all together at the end of the season so we can finally shut everybody up. Colin, who is telling us, I told you so Sam can't do it in the league when he was 21 and playing for the Jets. I mean, who could do. Who could do that? The answer has been nobody.

[Rich Eisen]

Todd's got his top 10 prospects in the draft. I think. I think it's very good at the top of the draft this year. I didn't think last year was good at the top of the draft at all. I think this year's really, really good. I mean, a lot of Ohio State guys. I like that you have Makai Lemon. This is not necessarily a prediction on where guys are going to go. There you go for our audience, receiver boy. There's some good receivers, man. There are. And Utah, I didn't think there were.

[Todd McShay]

Going to be good receivers coming into this year. All three of those guys have been lights out. It's been awesome.

[Rich Eisen]

Oregon is maybe the least discussed good team in college football. Should Dante come out? People say he didn't have enough starts. What is the film say on Dante more? Because I've heard he's a great kid, great personality, team guy. What is the film say on Dante Moore? Because you have him fifth.

[Todd McShay]

He's the best pure passer in college football. I believe that, like, smooth stroke, throws the most catchable ball of all these quarterbacks. Instincts, anticipation.

[Rich Eisen]

He.

[Todd McShay]

He. It's interesting because he. He is mobile. He's not fast. He doesn't love to run, but he's comfortable extending and getting outside the pocket and creating. I love him. I think he's going to be a great pro. If he were solely listening to my advice, I would say go back to school for another year, man. Because I have evidence from 25 years that I've gathered that the number of starts that he has, which is what, 17. I think at this point it'll be 18, 19, 20. Somewhere in that range, the chances of him succeeding with another 12, 13, 14 starts next year are significantly higher. 25 years of data telling me that. And why? Well, maybe he goes back and without Will Stein, these offensive coordinator who took the head coaching job and is leaving after the college football playoff at Toyota Kentucky, maybe. Maybe they stumble a little bit. Maybe he has some, you know, bad moments that he didn't necessarily have this year, and that can be a good thing for a quarterback's development. If you look at all the top, like the top 15 quarterbacks in the league. Almost all of them are in that 33 to, you know, 60 plus start range in college and only a couple of them are in the 20s and they're still around 26 starts. I just don't like when you only have, you know, 17, 18, 19 starts and under your belt going in the NFL. And by the way, he's 20 years old, Colin, so I, I like if he leaves for this year's draft class because it's only Mendoza right now, according to what everyone's saying that he's coming out early, he'll be a top 10 pick and it could very easily be, you know, number four to Cleveland, number five to the jets, but you want another 20? We just talked about Sam Darnold. I don't care how talented. And by the way, everyone I talk to, he's mature as he is talented and as good a young man as he is talented. Okay, but so is Sam, right? And I just, I don't like that path for him. So I'd love to see him back in college football next year. Even though it makes for a less exciting NFL draft in the next few months.

[Rich Eisen]

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[Todd McShay]

I love Ty Simpson and what what he can be and when he's at his best. I think defensive defenses have figured out hey, Alabama can't run the football successfully.

[Rich Eisen]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

At all. And, and I like I'm here for Venables versus DeBoer.

[Rich Eisen]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

And I'm here for, I'm here for even Matier with the thumb and struggling versus Simpson and I'm especially here for Brett Venables and that defense going up against Ty Simpson in that passing game. What I don't understand is what is there something going it feels like an undercurrent and I said this about LSU with Brian Kelly before it all happened and I'm saying it here again with Alabama and I'm not saying it's going to blow up and it's all over and Deborah is going to Michigan or anything like that. I'm just saying I've got people in Tuscaloosa that I talk to and I trust and it just feels like something's not right. But I also know football players compartmentalize better than most and I do know that Ty Simpson coaches son been around ball his whole life. He'll be ready to go. At first I was, I was absolutely Oklahoma home game. I know that it was they had twice as many yards the first meeting Alabama did they had twice as many first first downs or like 10 more minutes of time of possession. They owned that game and still lost. The closer we get. As I look at Oklahoma, the, the more I think that Alabama, what we saw in the SEC championship game was kind of a byproduct of we don't have 14 guys that wound up sitting out. We're getting most of those guys back. I think this is going to be the best game of the weekend. I think Miami, Texas A and M is going to be really good gun to head. I'm going Oklahoma still, but I just, I look at Deborah in his history with a little bit of time to prepare.

[Rich Eisen]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

And in big games like this, he's so damn good. Colin.

[Rich Eisen]

Yeah. And he went to Athens and literally had a perfect first half of execution. So they can't run the ball with a lick, but they got three big time receivers. Todd, you're great at the ringer covering this stuff forever. At McShay13 is the Twitter handle X handle. Whoever owns it calls it whatever they want. Todd, it's great seeing you.

[Todd McShay]

Good to see you too, brother. I'll talk to you soon.

[Rich Eisen]

Yeah, guy does his stuff really well. Knows it. Yeah. His, his top 10 prospects, 8, 9 and 10 are wide receivers. Tate Lemon and Tyson. There's a lot of Ohio State dudes. Yeah. It is interesting about the number of starts you get in college. Like there's just data that proves you got to get over like 27, 30. It's like B.O. nix may have a high ceiling, but he was ready to go by October, mid October, year one, he was ready to go. I'll say this, for Jackson Dart, he had lane Kiffin for three years. Lane coached in the NFL. Lane's an elite offensive guy. Top 10 offensive guy, maybe in football, college or pro. Jackson Dart was ready to play very early. It matters.

[Colin Cowherd]

Did you say he had how many receivers in the top 10?

[Rich Eisen]

Well, he has three. He has Tate Lemon and that's wild.

[Colin Cowherd]

So if you look around the current playoff teams right now, look at the elite teams, there's not a lot of guys drafted in the top 10 at receiver. You can find value later in the first round. Justin Jefferson, I don't think JSN was top 10. Like receiver is. I don't know. Do you consider that a premium position?

[Rich Eisen]

Well, this. That's a great. That's a great question. I never did. Wide receiver, to me was icing on the cake. I want to draft guys in the first round that are the cake. But because of rule changes. Quarterbacks 1. Left tackle 2. Edge rusher 3. Perimeter weapon 4. I think you have to have a perimeter weapon. 5. I think underrated is Center, a great center. And then six, maybe a corner. But I. Now I will say I said edge rusher. I would prefer a great D tackle. There just aren't many of those body types. But I, I do think I used to put receiver like eighth. I don't do that anymore.

[Colin Cowherd]

Let me ask you though, Colin, do you think it's easier to find a stud receiver or a stud tackle? Stud offensive lineman in the third, fourth and fifth rounds?

[Rich Eisen]

Oh, no. Wide receiver easily.

[Colin Cowherd]

So that's why, like, I mean, this is his top 10 prospects. So yes, those guys may be elite prospects.

[Rich Eisen]

Well, let's. But here's the other thing to think. So it depends on what you are. Like. Like, like. I think Carnell Tate more than Lemon and Tyson is such a unique NFL body. I mean, he looks like he could be a. You could put weight on him. He could be an outside linebacker. I think Tate is so unique physically, I have no problem. First round. I thought Igbuka last year was such a great route runner. I was like, that's a first round wide receiver. Tampa, like there's guys. Marvin Harrison has not been as good as I thought. But I do think he's a unique wide receiver. He's just been a slower build. So I think I like, I don't buy. A couple years ago Baltimore took a center and a safety and everybody's like, whoa, they're both Pro Bowlers. The kid from Iowa at center and then Hamilton from Notre Dame. Just go get elite players. So if you have, if you have Makai Lemon 19th best player to 23rd and your picks available, just go. Unless you, unless you're like Cincinnati and have Jamar and T. Higgins or you're the Rams and have two stars and have other needs. But I just, I think in the first round, mostly you take the best player available.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. And the other thing on quarterbacks. So here are the last three quarterbacks that went number one overall. Bryce Young three years ago. Is he the best quarterback drafted in his class? Yes or no?

[Rich Eisen]

No.

[Colin Cowherd]

Caleb Williams went number one. Is he the best quarterback drafted in his class? Yes, he's the most.

[Rich Eisen]

He's the most talented.

[Colin Cowherd]

Is he the best so far?

[Rich Eisen]

Not. Not so far.

[Colin Cowherd]

And then Cam Ward this past year. Is he the best quarterback that you've seen this year?

[Rich Eisen]

Among the rookies, Jackson Dart's been better.

[Colin Cowherd]

Tyler Schuck has been pretty damn good recently. I'm just saying. I don't want to say what first is a kiss of death, but Mendoza going to some crap franchise. I'm not going to name them because the fans get all upset. It may not be the best thing for him. And Dante Moore sliding down a little could be better. I mean, It's a the NFL's weird and we've hit on this. The worst teams continually do the dumbest things at the top of the draft.

[Rich Eisen]

They do. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

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[Colin Cowherd]

What's better than a Saturday? How about a Super Saturday with an NFL doubleheader? First it's the Eagles versus Commanders, then the packers take on the Bears for control of the the NFC north pregame coverage begins at 4pm Eastern on Fox.

[Rich Eisen]

Without further ado, J. Mack with the news.

[Richard Sherman]

No, no, no no.

[Todd McShay]

Turn on the news.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is the Herd line news. All right, let's go Dallas Cowboys and Mr. George Pickens. We haven't heard from him in a while, Colin, because he's been ducking the media for the last two weeks. Essentially once he started stinking up the joint, he started avoiding the media kind of cowardly if you ask me, Pickens was finally available yesterday and decided to talk about the criticism he's received.

[Todd McShay]

I'm kind of more focused on the Chargers, honestly, just this following week. Just knowing that they're a 104 group, knowing that play physical, got a lot of good defensive guys. Everybody has a job to do. Some people's job is to do that. It's like tear down character, see how much clicks they can get. But I'm just here to play football, help the team, honestly.

[Rich Eisen]

Yeah, clicks. That's. That's what it is. Clicks. We're always.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's about the clicks or the. No touchdowns in the last three games?

[Rich Eisen]

I don't know one of the two.

[Colin Cowherd]

But you look. I mean, like, I don't. I don't know him personally. But when your history in Pittsburgh was dogging it at the end of the season, and then you start dogging it on national televised island games. Colin, it kind of says some stuff.

[Rich Eisen]

About you, doesn't it?

[Colin Cowherd]

Or am I going overboard here?

[Rich Eisen]

No, I mean, it's. Listen, it's. It's not like the Cowboys star quarterback got hurt. Dax Been there, the O lines, the same cd. Lamb's playing and, you know, offensive coach, and he's disappeared. So you don't go from eight touchdowns to zero. I mean, it's. The body language isn't good. And he has a history. Yeah. Listen, are a lot of people out of the draft, out of Georgia that were like, be very careful. So anytime you remind people of the one criticism, it doesn't matter if you're a football player or not, you don't want to keep reminding people of, like this, this flaw that is widely recognized. And he has been moody, sometimes immature, and it looks like he's pouting, so.

[Colin Cowherd]

He'S going to get tagged or he's going to become a free agent and go somewhere. I would certainly look to a team with a rookie quarterback, but you have to have a strong locker room, strong coach. Can I interest you in Mike Vrabel and New England? Strong coach, tough locker room, not going to put up with crap. Drake May, one of the best deep ball throwers in the league.

[Rich Eisen]

No, not really.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, you're off Pickets.

[Rich Eisen]

All right, final.

[Colin Cowherd]

Let's go to the next story. Call A.J.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Speaking of diva receivers, he's had a lot of drama, had a couple costly drops in that loss to the Chargers. There's a report that indicates several anonymous executives believe the Eagles will be parting ways with Brown at season's end. I will float two to you because this is fun. I'll start with the Kansas City Chiefs. They need a big downfield deep threat who's physical and when he pipes up, you got a firm quarterback and coach who are willing to shut him down quickly. Mahomes and Reed, they're not going to put up with garbage from him. AJ Brown and kc do you like it?

[Rich Eisen]

I do, actually. I really do because I think Worthy's a gadget guy and I think he's a different body type that one were. And also let's, let's be fair here. Is that Rasheed Rice? To this point, do I trust him? Not really. So with. With Kelsey leaving that move in Kansas City works for me. Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

The other one I was thinking was the Buffalo Bills. If they come up short in the playoffs this year, they, they don't have a star receiver and then some people will say Jay back. What about Vrabel where he was previously within Tennessee?

[Todd McShay]

He could.

[Colin Cowherd]

The, the Patriots could use him to pair with Drake Bay. That also works.

[Rich Eisen]

Oh, I New England because of Brable and A.J. brown. That absolutely works. To me that's a fit.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. And dovetailing off what McVeigh said, there's a lot of good receivers in this draft. If you can move off an expensive one, get a cheap one in the draft that works for teams that have already paid their quarterback. Final story Colin. Oh, we haven't talked about Shador Sanders and the Cleveland Browns hosting the Bills.

[Rich Eisen]

Look at that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Big, big dogs this week. Ten and a half at home. He did not have a great game against the Bears heading into Sunday. He's got a tough task against the Bills and Josh Allen. Here's Shador talking about this week's matchup.

[Todd McShay]

I just got to get more completions. You know, I gotta get more completions. And even whenever we're down or anything, I can't press. You know, I just gotta remain having those mental notes to myself. Just whip it in the game and just keep just driving the ball. Get first downs.

[Rich Eisen]

I also think the Chicago Bears have a, it was a road game. Chicago is pretty stacked. He got behind. He was pressing. I, you know, I'm not going to hold it against him. Rookies have really bad, really bad Sundays. It was a bad spot. I mean the odds makers had the Bears over a touchdown favorite. It went sideways fast and I mean you got the secondary for Chicago. It's got playmakers back there. So it's, it's a work in progress. It's, it's. We'll, we'll see. I, you know, I Don't think he's a great franchise quarterback. The question is, like with J.J. mcCarthy, is he a franchise quarterback? J.J. mcCarthy, last three weeks, it's like, oh, okay, Shador looks interesting. First couple of weeks, now he's gone backwards. So it's just let him play some context.

[Colin Cowherd]

I will defend Shador Colony was down three offensive linemen and Njoku, the tight.

[Rich Eisen]

End last week he was.

[Colin Cowherd]

Unfortunately, you know, those three guys may be out again this week, which is not ideal, you know, against Buffalo, which can get some pressure on the quarterback with their front. And I don't know what to do with Shador. You think dart franchise guy for sure. I still think with dart shedeur, Tyler Schuck. I like some of what I've seen. They could go into next season as starters, but I don't. I'm not crowning any of those guys in the class of Bo Nix, Jaden Daniels, Drake Bay. None of them are even close, in my opinion.

[Rich Eisen]

All right, fair enough. I think Jackson Dart has. For a rookie with a pretty average offensive roster, I think Jackson Dart's been pretty good. I think he's. And he's tough. Like he doesn't want to go into the blue 10th. You know, he's not asking to go into the blue tent. It's just you gotta go sometimes. J. Mac with the news.

[Todd McShay]

Well, that's the news.

[Rich Eisen]

And thanks for stopping by the Herd line news it is. You know, I was thinking about this last night about, you know, these seasons are really long and, you know, week one coaches now treat it like an extension of the, you know, the preseason. And then at the end of the season, you're often resting people or like soft tanking when you're gonna, you know, have a starting quarterback, not play. I think J. Ma, I mentioned it earlier, there's like seven rookie quarterbacks, six rookie quarterbacks playing this weekend. So, you know, if you look at the playoff picture, by all means, I think the afc, which has been pretty easy to predict for years, you know, the afc, we're not going to have Mahomes, we're not going to have Burrow. We're not sure if we're going to have Lamar Jackson. It's a little surprising. But I will say Denver made it last year. Not a shock. Again. Harbaugh Herbert, not a shock. Josh Allen, not a shock. I mean, Houston's made it. Isn't this the third time C.J. stroud's made the playoffs? Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is surprising because I figured they'd be eight or nine win team, whatever. But I didn't think they'd make the playoffs. We're still not sure they are. Baltimore could still get in. Colts were surprisingly viable and Jacksonville I never trust has been better. But when you start looking at it like you say, well what about Vrabel? Vrabel, Drake, May showed glimpses last year. I mean I picked New England for second in the division. It can't be that big of a surprise. I didn't think they'd be 11 and 3. I thought they were a 10 win team. But it may not be as surprising as everybody thinks. J. Mack said Chiefs aren't making the playoffs if you watch the trends. Kansas City's offense has been middle of the pack, often worse in the second half the NFC playoff picture. I think the NFC now has become the AFC the previous four years where you've got these combinations of quarterback and coach like McVeigh and Stafford. That's elite. Shanahan and Purdy say what you want. LaFleur and Jordan love, Baker and Bowles. I picked Baker to make the playoffs. Philadelphia I think has been weird and uneven but we're not surprised. So I feel like the NFC is better than the AFC and has become the AFC in previous years. It's a little easier to protect. Chicago is better than I thought, no question. But I'm and Detroit for the record, Detroit, you and I both said they'll be the step back team in the league. Washington being awful is a shock. Carolina being 500. Not really. We both thought they got the right coach. Dan Morgan, good gm. So the NFL to me is very hard to predict on a week to week basis. And again certainly New England is better than even I thought and I picked him as a playoff team. But are you shocked that TUA got worse? The jets are a mess. The Titans aren't very good. I mean if I said to you biggest surprise in the league. What again people will say New England. But. But I picked them as a playoff team. They can't be that big of it. I would say Chicago being 10 and 4 through 14 games.

[Colin Cowherd]

Chicago's right there. Seattle has to be right there. Nobody had them at 11 and 3. You like them but nobody had them.

[Rich Eisen]

Here I have a wild card team.

[Colin Cowherd]

The big difference is if you name the four best quarterbacks in the NFL. Four best. It's pretty easy. We've been doing this for a couple years. But just name them.

[Rich Eisen]

Well, Josh Allen right now, Matt Stafford, Mahomes Burrow.

[Colin Cowherd]

Interesting. No Lamar Jackson because historically the Big four have been all in the afc. Well, Burrow got hurt, Lamar was hurt and Mahomes his team is is not very good. So then all of a sudden you look at the rosters and the rosters in the NFC are way better.

[Rich Eisen]

Oh, way better.

[Colin Cowherd]

Quarterbacks are better in the afc. It's very strange like that packers roster at full strength next year. I think the packers go in as the super bowl favorites, right? I mean when you have assume Micah Parsons is back, everybody's gonna be healthy. They're loaded, Colin.

[Rich Eisen]

They are. It is interesting when you watch tonight, you know we all mention these great quarterbacks. If you go back to like week 11 in Carolina, the winningest quarterback in the league is quarterbacking for the Seahawks tonight.

[Colin Cowherd]

Your boy Sam Darnold Big island game. Hopefully he doesn't throw four picks this time or you'll just come on tomorrow and say, you know, interceptions don't matter that much because he's trying to be.

[Rich Eisen]

Throws three or more. I will not say that they they matter, but it's where you throw up. Like Bo Nicks has nine picks, but when trailing, Bo Nix has 16 touchdowns and one pick. So whatever it is a sense of urgency. You know, the defense gets more worn down over the course of a game. Bo Nix throws his interceptions in less crucial times. Caleb Williams doesn't throw them at all really. Except for the Green Bay one. All right, Todd McShay. Appreciate him stopping by Joel Klatt today. Good stuff. We'll see you tomorrow. Blazin fine.

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