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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 3 - Top college basketball prospects, why Cooper Flagg is already elite, Jeff Goodman
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Jeff Goodman
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, there's a lot of reasons this has been a really good college basketball season. We've talked about this for the last three years. The nil is taking about 15 good European players out of Europe and bringing them to our college game. And about 15 kids stay in college that would have gone to the NBA. So that would be like late to mid second round. Guys, you're getting kind of a fortified group. And I said it a couple Years ago when UConn won, I said, okay, that's like the best team since that back to back Billy Donovan title. Like you got multiple four or five NBA guys, you have NBA length. Because I thought college basketball got real lean for about 15 years, 20 years. But the nil, I'm not saying it saved college basketball, but it has fortified it. This year you've got three minimum elite players. You've got some unbelievable teams. And the teams with money, the schools with money at the top, Illinois and Duke and Michigan, they are really, really good teams. And a guy. Jeff Goodman's now joining us, insider for the stadium, co founder of field of 68 college basketball network. You've been following a story months that guys like me got into about two weeks ago. And that's the Darren Peterson story. So I was told, I was told by Doug Gottlieb, go watch this kid at Kansas right before the season. And I did. And I'm like, my God, looks like Kobe. I mean, I mean, you could watch him three, three possessions, Jeff. And you're like, oh, that's what Kobe looked like at 18, 19. But the injuries and the cramps and not playing and ISO act. He admits he's a loner. What is going on? Is this, I mean, you tell me, is it, is it? Some injuries are real. Give me the skinny on this.
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Jeff Goodman
So I wish I knew all of it, but I know a lot of it. And I've talked to former coaches, trainers, you name it, everybody. Bill Self, plenty. You know, obviously this is a kid who two years ago I said was the number one player in the country. I remember seeing him down in Rock Hill, South Carolina. And at that point it was all AJ DebonSA and walking away. I said, like, this kid is going to be better. You know, he's so talented, can do everything. And he's just dealt with a myriad of injuries. Obviously you had the hammy earlier this year that kept him out and the cramps flew a couple weeks ago. So I understand everybody taking shots at him. Here's What I'll say if this kid was load managing, he would have shut it down six weeks ago. Yeah, there's no reason he would have played. He was the clear number one pick. He wants to play. I think it's gone from physical, Colin talking to people and kind of knowing the situation well enough. I think it's gone from physical to now mental as well. Whereas when this happens, he doesn't know how to work through it now.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jeff Goodman
And you're seeing a player that looks. I was out there, I saw them play Iowa State about a week ago at Hilton Coliseum 10 days ago. And he didn't have that burst. Couldn't get by anybody. And one game will have it and another game he won't. Most days right now, he hasn't really shown that Bill Self moved them off the ball exclusively. Sits him in a corner. And I think part of it is to protect the kid and make sure he gets through the game. But, you know, to me, this is one that is really hard to figure out. I will say this. Everybody I've talked to, Colin, everybody, and every dealing I've had, I've interviewed him multiple times. Great kid, great work ethic, competitor. I think part of it, again, is mental. I think part of it was the people around him. Colin, his father, you know, maybe some other people around him saying, you know what, the first sign of anything, you get the hell out of a game.
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Colin Cowherd
Right? Yeah. By the way, it wouldn't be the first instance where it happened. So let's talk about the other kid at byu. And again, I've seen him play three or four times. Don't know if I always trust his shot, but athletically, he's off the hook. AJ DeBonsa, BYU and again came in nil. Everybody heard about him. Wow. He chose BYU again. Jumps off the tv and I've always, Jeff, given a kid a pass. If, like when people say, well, he's a good player, but he can't. He's not a consistent shooter, you can develop that. I mean, Ray Allen wasn't Ray Allen in college. Right. Like it happens. Could this kid go number one? What are restraints and liabilities?
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Jeff Goodman
So he could I still. I talked to two NBA GMs before the show today to make sure I had enough info here for you. Both said they would take Darren Peterson, still number one. They said there's still enough time left in the game here. You know, he's got a few more regular season games. He'll play a couple Big 12 tournament games, probably a couple NCAA tournament games. And Ultimately, it's going to come down to number one, the physical, right. The obviously the doctors. And then number two, the due diligence and the digging onto, you know, who's around him, what's going on here, right, because we see it with Kawhi, right? Like Kawhi, when I watched him play and when he came into the league, an absolute killer, like as tough as it gets, played every possession, both ends, you never would have predicted, not the injuries because you could have said the injuries because of how hard he played, but that Uncle Dennis would make sure that Kawhi wasn't going to play through all these injuries and low manage. So I think they're going to really dig into that with AJ DeVonta, Brockton, Mass. Kid, he's 6, 8, 6, 9, maybe 6, 10 even. Super athletic, like you said. Got some Paul George in his game. The big thing, like you said, is the consistency with the shot. But, man, he can go get one whenever he wants. Yeah, I mean, he can absolutely just put the ball in his hands and he can. He can get to the basket whenever he wants. And what has really impressed me and again, seeing this kid since 15 years old, back in a U ball, his maturity. Even when things go bad, like he used to kind of chirp on the refs a little bit and, you know, lose his school. He has been, I'll give him credit, like really, really poised, mature. Now, last night they got blitzed by UCF at home. Probably the worst loss they've had all year. But this kid, certainly if Darren Peterson gives him any more of a reason for NBA guys, I think, yes, it could be AJ Devon.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so Cameron Boozers the third kind of lock at the top of the draft. I knew his dad, smart guy, worked hard, and you can tell from his sons, Cameron's one of those, you know, I said, you know, he plays at Duke, so you see him play on national tv. And my takeaway is resourceful, good feet, good hands, not Dinette. Wildly dynamic athletically, but I look at him and I think that guy's going to walk into the league. Everybody in the league is going to want him on their team. He's just feet, hands, smart, works. What's his ceiling? What's his comp at the next level?
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Jeff Goodman
So he's got the highest floor, lowest ceiling of those three. And maybe, honestly, he might have the lowest ceiling of, you know, include Caleb Wilson at North Carolina, Kingston Fleming's point guard to Houston. You know, I think he goes three or four, and I think maybe more likely he goes Four at this point. Because again, he's a guy that doesn't, you know, have great athleticism, but man, it's kind of like his dad a little bit for a comp. Yeah, like doesn't blow anybody away, but man, and this kid just wins. Colin, like he never friggin loses. Like it's crazy. So like to me what he's done is really expand his game. When I first saw him, he shooting 12, maybe extend to 15. Now he can make three. It's like you said, doesn't force anything, just wins, you know, great teammate, great character kid, great intangibles, great everything. But again, what is the NBA draft on? Upside, upside, upside, upside. They look at this kid and they say he could be a great number two. Can he ever be a top 10 player in the NBA? A lot of NBA GMs have told me they don't think that's the case where they think, you know, whether it's Peterson, DeBonsa, Kingston Flemings. I mean this draft is so loaded. If you get the. That's why you're seeing everybody tank, right? Like you could get the eighth pick and have a guy that could be an NBA all star down the road the next two years. The NBA draft is not going to be good. So everybody's trying to trade into this draft.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so I want to talk about Michigan. So 26 and 2 and again, it could be Illinois. I mean, we know Michigan's always had a rich history, but when you watch them play, they're so big. It remind. Does remind me a little bit of that UConn team. They're big, they're physical. You know, you, you're in the weeds on this. Was it nil? Was it great recruiting? How did they get so good so fast?
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Jeff Goodman
I mean, part of it is a combination. You got to have money, they have money. It's a great job with a great brand. Juwan Howard ran it into the ground. You know, there's all these former. Most of them, I won't say all. Almost all of the former NBA guys do in college. They all pretty much stink, right? It's a different deal. It just is. Dusty May remember he's the guy who took fault. Terrible program at the time, all the way to the Final Four a couple years ago. Great hire at Michigan. He had other opportunities. He turned down Louisville at that time to go to Michigan because of the brand, because a great place to live for his family, whatnot. He's done an incredible job and he's done it with Bigs. I mean Last year they did it with, with two bigs. You know, they have lagged golden. They brought in Danny Wolfe and it worked. And this year he went with like two and a half bigs, you know, a DiMara, seven three, Merez Johnson, six ten, athletic Yaxel Landenberg. By the way, you, you gotta get Yaxel on your show at some point. One of the best stories in College basketball. Played 11 high school games. Had no motivation, no nothing. Playing video games. Mom says to him, no, no, you're going to Yuma, Arizona and Arizona Western to play junior college ball. He balls. He's like, I don't want to go. I don't want to go. He ends up going great there. Goes to uab. Two years at uab. Now turns down a year ago, could
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Colin Cowherd
have been a late first round pick.
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Jeff Goodman
Turns it down now, he's going to make 3 million this year at Michigan. So it's not like he's not getting anything here, but he could have been a first rounder making that money in the NBA. He told me a couple weeks ago, he said, I knew I wasn't ready to go to the NBA.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jeff Goodman
And he's been awesome.
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Colin Cowherd
Cooper flag and I had you on last year. I didn't know he had a left hand that was that good. I didn't know he had that floater. I knew he played defense. I remember saying, jeff, I said, oh, he'll be better than Jason Tatum simply because he's more aggressive. He's just a very. And I think a lot in the NBA is. I always loved Andrew Wiggins and I talked about this the other day, but he just never. I always felt like he'd score 26. I couldn't remember any of them. Cooper Flag, I remember. I remember all of them. Just. Are you, are you. When you talk to people, are they surprised how good Cooper Flag is now at 19?
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Jeff Goodman
Nobody is. Nobody is. Myself. Nobody is surprised about what this kid is doing because he's been doing it every level, every game. And he can do everything. He can do everything. Colin, like, think about it. He's got a high iq, he defends. We know he's going to become a better shooter. He was last year at Duke than we thought. He can put it on the floor, he can make people better. He can do rebound. He wins intangibles. Teammates love him. There is no hole in this kid's game. And wait till they surround him with actual players. Wait.
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Colin Cowherd
Right? Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, we got a minute left. Everybody's. Jeff Goodman is gonna give us a sleeper in the tournament. Who's a. When I say sleeper, I don't want a 13 seed. I'm talking about somebody that could end up in the national championship. That may end up as a three seed, that may end up as a three to a four seed.
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Jeff Goodman
Yeah. Alabama. Alabama's got the best crew of guards in the country. Remember the whole thing with Charles Bediako earlier this year? You know, the injunction. He's with the team, not with the team. He's done at this point. But their guards are phenomenal. Now they got a guard a little bit, and that's going to be a big part of it, but they got to kill LeBaron Fallon. Great guard Aiden Holloway can shoot it.
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Colin Cowherd
They.
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Jeff Goodman
They just. I mean, they got everything you would possibly want on the perimeter. And last I checked, Colin, you know what wins in the NCAA tournament? Guards.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Yeah. They got the ball in their hands. Jeff Goodman, basketball insider for Stadium at Goodman Hoops, is the Twitter account. Covered this stuff for over 20 years for multiple networks. Love it. Going to be a great march. And, Jeff, great seeing you.
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Jeff Goodman
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. Co founder of Field of 68.
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Jeff Goodman
Yep. We own it. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Way to go.
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Jeff Goodman
Thanks, man.
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Colin Cowherd
You bet. His. His daughter, he told me, also covers college basketball. How about that hustler? Yeah, it's. I got. I got J. Mac lives for college basketball. Jason over here loves college basketball. UConn's lost two of its last four or five games. Got off to a red hot start. Hurley is just interesting. I don't know what I Don't know what they're going to be, but they'll be interesting. J. Mac with the news.
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Jeff Goodman
No, no, no.
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Colin Cowherd
Turn on the news.
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Jeff Goodman
This is the Herd line news.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
From my love of college basketball to your love of the Chicago Bears and Caleb Williams. Kyle, let's go to Ben Johnson. Man, he rejuvenated Caleb. Just an unbelievable season last year. In year two, at the combine this week, Johnson spoke highly of Caleb's growth, believes he's going to ascend quickly, and we're going to see significant growth this offseason. I don't know what that means. MVP, 5,000 yards. But it does look like all signs are pointing to DJ Moore will be playing elsewhere next year. That shouldn't be a huge surprise given Roma, Dunze and the other young receiver they have whose name escapes me right now, but they have a Luther Burton. Thank you. And the tight ends are excellent. The running game is strong. Colin, this is a really good offense, even if they do lose DJ Moore.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, they. They could really. I. I told you. I think they're in the Max Crosby sweepstakes. I think they need an edge rusher. They probably have to fortify their linebacking crews. Not athletic enough for me, not deep enough or athletic enough. But I'll say it again. The Rams played a perfect game. No turnovers. I think one penalty and the Bears took him to overtime. This team is ready. I know it sounds crazy, but again, if they can get a more consistent pass rush and get more athletic in the kind of the back, especially at linebacker, I think they can beat anybody. I really do.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
Go ahead, say it. They're going to the super bowl next year. Go ahead.
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Colin Cowherd
They're going to compete for the super bowl next year.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
Well, didn't they do that this year? You need to level up, man. Come on now.
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Colin Cowherd
This is. It's. I don't have to just throw out a big, massive click. They will. They. They. Right now, when I screw around and do my standings, I have them in the NFC Championship.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
Oh, my.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
Who are they facing? I can't see.
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Colin Cowherd
It's Rams.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
Okay, where are your Seahawks? Sam Darnold missed the playoffs.
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Colin Cowherd
No, they'll make the playoffs, but they'll, you know, you're not going to do back to backs.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
You don't believe in the new oc, huh? All right, we'll see what happens in Chicago. Let's move on to the Raiders. I'm kind of fascinated by the Vegas Raiders right now. They got the number one pick, obviously. Many needs many. Despite Brock Bowers And Genti. It's interesting. GM John Spitek said a lot there are no guarantees that they take Mendoza. One Colin is a fun topic. Here we go.
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Jeff Goodman
We're going to build this team the right way. And this league is littered with examples of teams that went from a top five pick to, you know, the NFC championship, the Super Bowl. We've seen it the last couple years. I mean the Patriots won four games last year and they were in the big game the year before. The Redskins or the Redskins, the commanders picked second. We're in the NFC championship game so we're going to build it the right way and we'll see what comes.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, they've got 10 picks, they've got lots of money. I think they're going to retain Max Crosby because they have so many picks and can, you know, if they can hit on seven or eight of their picks. I, I mean when's the last time you were really jazzed for a Raiders draft? I am fired up. I mean really fired up.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
So here, here's my thing. So you know the staff's like, well what would it cost to trade up for Mendoza? And we touched on this yesterday. What if there's an argument that trading up for a quarterback doesn't make sense? The Bryce Young thing backfired terribly. Remember they traded up to grab Bryce Young.
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Colin Cowherd
Their mistake was getting rid of DJ Moore so he didn't have a number one receiver. So it's taken him these last couple years to rejuvenate their receiving core which they did when they got T. Mac at Arizona and he was a star as a.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
Are you with me that I wouldn't trade up for him? Does that he's not a generational guy prospect at least.
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Jeff Goodman
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I mean it's a very fair point and it's a good debate. Yeah. Is that ideally you don't want to trade up for any player like but you know what the Chiefs did for Mahomes and didn't the Bills for Josh Allen. I think when it comes to left tackle and quarterback and maybe an elite edge rusher, they just, the planet doesn't make many great ones a year. And I'm going to move up and I, and I. So it's like I would move up for a quarterback or if I thought like I had an elite 10 year starter left tackle or you know, Aiden Hutchison coming out of Michigan, you're like yeah, I'm going to trade up for that. But I think to your point there's been more teams that have done it and failed but there's also some of the greatest quarterbacks ever, people moved up for. So I think quarterback is, in fact, I've said this about Ty Simpson. I think he's like a 45th best player in the draft. Like when I look at the players and I do my little mocks and look at. Ty Simpson is the second best quarterback, but he's not a first round guy. But if you're the Rams and have two firsts and you're. What are you drafting, like 13th and like 28th? I can, I can reach 12 spots if I. Because I have a second and a third and fourth and I don't, I don't want him to play for two years because I have Stafford. So I think quarterback's the one position I would reach on if I really believed it.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
So I'm looking into that. Mahomes trade at 10. So they get, they swapped first round picks with the Bills and then added a third and a first. That's not that much. It costs way more than that to go up to one. Like, like you said the Bryce Young deal.
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Colin Cowherd
Right? Right.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
So to go up to 10, it's not that much. But I just, I, I love Mendoza. I would love it if the Raiders passed on him. What would you say the percentage is chance that they do not take Mendoza?
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, look, let me ask you, let's just throw this out. Arizona. So you and I love their tight end, like their running back. I think they have good receiving talent. Their O lines, okay? And you're, you're Michael Bidwell and you're like, man, we got a stink at quarterback. We got the Kyler Murray situation. How do you get out of a mess at quarterback? Go ask Denver. You hit on a first round quarterback and suddenly Bo Nix is free for five years. So nobody cares about the Russell Wilson cap hit. Okay, okay. I'm Arizona at 3 and I call the Raiders and I'm like, all right, you only have to move down two spots. We're going to change our franchise. We went from a guy that Kyler Murray the fans didn't love to the most humble, grateful. Aw shucks, kid. You're going to get Hoosier fans flying to Arizona on Sundays to watch you'll sell season tickets from the Midwest. And I'm going to give up two ones. A couple. Two. It could literally change the Arizona Cardinals because they've had this like, quarterback situation where he can't stay healthy. Is he committed? The owner doesn't like him, the fans don't love him. And you could Literally go to T bowl with talent like this unbelievably likable kid that played in the Midwest in the Big Ten, I could see Arizona going on. We'll give up three first round picks.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
That's a lot. What if. What if. Just spitballing here. So the Arizona lost like, I think seven games by 15 or more last year. It's some ridiculous number.
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Colin Cowherd
They.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
They got a lot of needs. I don't want to give up that many picks. What if I said we'll give you Marvin Harrison Jr. We, we've seen it. We like him and we got Michael Wilson.
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Colin Cowherd
So.
- [28:05]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
So swapping ones, right? Three and one.
- [28:08]
Colin Cowherd
The Raiders get a number one receiver and another one and they're at the number three pick.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
Okay, so that's three ones.
- [28:16]
Colin Cowherd
And then if I was the Raiders, I trade down again and again. And at about 9, 10, or 11, I take Ty Simpson and I sit him behind Brissette for a year. I mean, again, I wouldn't do it. But if you're Arizona in your franchise right now, outside of the jets, it may be the biggest mess. Look at your division.
- [28:36]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
Well, the Browns, I got to go
- [28:37]
Colin Cowherd
up against Seattle, San Francisco and the Rams. I don't have a quarterback.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
What if you. Yeah, no, that. It's a. It's a fun topic. We'll wrap up. We'll come back to that. Because the Ty Simpson stuff is crazy. We'll come back to that. Let's go to Buffalo Bills to wrap it up. This Keon Coleman mess in the off season, you got the owner taking shots at the kid. Just awful. 33rd pick in the 2024 draft. But GM Brandon Beam talking at the combine, says Keon Coleman will have every chance to rewrite his narrative.
- [29:06]
Jeff Goodman
That is kind of the challenge to Keon. Can you go back and do what
- [29:10]
Colin Cowherd
you did all offseason and your training
- [29:14]
Jeff Goodman
camp and, you know, if you remember, you had a great game. Game one against Baltimore. Don't let some of the maturity issues off the field affect the product on the field. If he does that, he'll have every chance. I know we've got some new coaches and they're excited to meet him and get to work with him.
- [29:33]
Colin Cowherd
You know, I mean,
- [29:37]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
I didn't like the owner hammering the kid like that.
- [29:40]
Colin Cowherd
No, that was, that was. That was.
- [29:41]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
So if I'm the GM and I know people are afraid to go at management, well, why wouldn't the GM say, listen, my owner put me in a bad spot. I like Keon. He struggled with tardiness this Just be honest. Don't give me this smokescreen bs. Hey, he can rewrite his narrative. Just be real, be authentic. We like the kid.
- [29:58]
Colin Cowherd
This Brandon Bean gets crushed. But if this kid could play, they would have a number one receiver, a top slot guy, a star back, a great left tackle and a star quarterback and you'd be fine.
- [30:10]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
Two tight ends too.
- [30:11]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah. I mean, oh yeah. Excellent tight ends. So Brandon Bean sometimes can be thin skinned. They don't have Pro Bowlers on defense, but yet if you're going to make a mistake in this league, I'd rather have my talent on the offensive side. So this kid really is important because. And again, receivers tend to whatever it is in the personality, the DNA of wide receivers. You get a lot of this. They're just not quite mature enough when they come into the league. If this kid hits, then you start looking at the Bills differently. You're like tight ends, running back, left tackle, quarterback, perimeter receiver, you know, boundary guy, slot guy. Okay then. So, I mean, I think you can say what you want about Joe Brady, but Brady apparently is a huge fan of the kid and pounded the table for him. If this kid works out, that's going to be a lot of heat off the GM because as much as we banged on him, actually their offensive personnel is pretty damn good. Yeah, it's better than the Chiefs.
- [31:11]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
Well, listen, even if Coleman hits, I don't know that he's a one. What if the Niners call the Buffalo Bills? Hey man, we got Brandon Aiyuk rotting on our bench. We'll give him to you for a doordash gift card and a Blockbuster membership. Can we interest you in that?
- [31:23]
Colin Cowherd
No, I'm not. I'm staying away from Brandon Aiyuk for a million reasons.
- [31:27]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
I'm trying. I'm trying to help Niners lynch, you know. Go on. I'm trying to help you out, buddy.
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Colin Cowherd
J Mac with the news.
- [31:32]
Jeff Goodman
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Colin Cowherd
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Jeff Goodman
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Colin Cowherd
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Podcast Host / Narrator
In 2023, a story gripped the UK evoking horror and disbelief.
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Colin Cowherd
The nurse who should have been in
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
charge of caring for tiny babies is
- [33:21]
Colin Cowherd
now the most prolific child killer in modern British.
- [33:26]
Podcast Host / Narrator
Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain. A nurse named Lucy Letby.
- [33:33]
Jeff Goodman
Lucy Letby has been found guilty.
- [33:35]
Podcast Host / Narrator
But what if we didn't get the whole story?
- [33:37]
Jeff Goodman
The moment you look at the whole
- [33:38]
Colin Cowherd
picture, the case collapses.
- [33:40]
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- [33:58]
Colin Cowherd
It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.
- [34:03]
Podcast Host / Narrator
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- [34:29]
Jeff Goodman
He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground.
- [34:33]
Podcast Host / Narrator
He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years.
- [34:41]
Colin Cowherd
I'm like, lord, this can't be real.
- [34:43]
Jeff Goodman
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Jeff Goodman
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Podcast Host / Narrator
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Colin Cowherd
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Podcast Host / Narrator
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- [35:14]
Colin Cowherd
So I like people willing to pivot. I think you know that the combine has changed over the years because the Rams were the first to say timeout. When we go to this combine and everybody's all coached up with these interviews, you can really get, you can really get fooled. Guys can cut off time on their 40 yard dashes, add bench press reps. Cause all they do is train for the combine. They're not playing any more games. They're training for the combine. And years ago Johnny Manziel went to the combine. Apparently aced the interviews. Yeah, he's got a lot of bs. He's a good talker, he's a confident kid. And Johnny Manziel's out there telling you man, let's crush this world together. And Johnny Manziel goes to Cleveland and didn't really like watching film. So teams like the Rams were like, yeah, we're going to go off game tape, we'll watch Senior Bulls. We can do our own interviews. We're not going to go to this hyper super coached up event. And, and, and Albert Brer at the combine for the 18th straight year talked about how the Rams have changed some things.
- [36:29]
Jeff Goodman
The Rams impact was like they felt like sometimes these 15 minute interviews can be deceiving and their, their, their, their view of a player in an undue way because that player has been trained to interview and to knock the 15 minute interview out of the park. And so why are you throwing seven or eight months of research out the window? I do think like markets are set here, right? Trade markets are set. The financial market for free agency is set. A lot of agents and teams are going to leave here knowing, you know, what a guy like Kenneth Walker might make on the, on the free agent. Marcus.
- [37:05]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So I think it's just smart. I'm so fired up for the draft. You know what I'm going to do? J. Mac, you and I maybe should do this. I do it with clat like the day before the draft is just do our own mock draft. We should, we should do that.
- [37:23]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
I'm down.
- [37:23]
Colin Cowherd
And then tomorrow. I was going to do it today, but we have some new technology, futuristic technology. We're going to debut. We were going to do it today, little bug in the system. We'll do it tomorrow. But, and I'm dead serious on the Arizona Cardinals. It's not that they don't have the star quarterback. It's that they have an expensive guy who's never healthy, is a little bit moody and isn't great for the brand. What would solve that? Fernando Mendoza, Midwest, I mean he's from Miami, but grateful, humble, the opposite of Kyler. He's big and not athletic. Super, super, verbal grateful. He's like the opposite of Kyler Murray to the owner. And you'd have this Midwest Hoosiers following. I guarantee you they'd be. People from the Big Ten would come pouring in. I could see Arizona going, okay, we'll give you a star receiver, two number one picks and a couple of threes. And.
- [38:24]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
Come on, that's again. Let me ask you.
- [38:25]
Jeff Goodman
Hold on.
- [38:26]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
If the Raiders say no, we're not. We need Mendoza. What's plan B for the Cardinals? Do you like Malik Willis with a LaFleur brother?
- [38:32]
Colin Cowherd
I don't like having to pay Malik Willis 35 million.
- [38:36]
Jeff Goodman
Kyler Murray.
- [38:36]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
Oh, who's 35, by the way, that 35 number is nonsense that reporters are floating. That's coming from Willis agent. You can't throw 35 passes in a season complete 30 and get 35 million. That's not going to happen. There's no way.
- [38:48]
Colin Cowherd
You ever heard of the word desperation?
- [38:50]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
You want to. Okay, let's make a friendly wager on that. You owe me like seven steak dinners anyway. I'll bet two of them that he does not get 31 million a year. I think it'll be 30 at the. the height.
- [39:00]
Colin Cowherd
Okay, so I say it's 30 or above. You say it's 29 or below.
- [39:08]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
I mean, 30 is the number I like, but fine, you're the big guy. Fine, I'll take under 29 or below.
- [39:14]
Colin Cowherd
I have never. I'll just say this to you. GM's Malik Willis, pro Bowl. Get used to saying that. Come on.
- [39:22]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
So I. Look, I mean, Colin, the sample size on Willis is tiny. It's not like Baker Mayfield. It's not like Sam Darnold. This is a bigger rehab project than we think. If somebody pays him like 35 million, that's their funeral. Like, good luck. And by the way, the numbers are starting to show. Miami would have to move like heaven and earth just to get him. They have no money. They're capped out. They have to dump all these players.
- [39:46]
Colin Cowherd
I think Arizona needs to make a call on the number one pick. I really do.
- [39:51]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
I don't know. I think. I think they just wait a year and go for Arch Manning punt.
- [39:54]
Podcast Host / Narrator
A year.
- [39:55]
Sports Analyst / Commentator
I know that sounds goofy. Nobody wants to do that. You're not winning in that division, Colin. Come on.
- [40:01]
Colin Cowherd
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
What if mind control is real?
- [42:03]
Jeff Goodman
If you could control the behavior of
- [42:04]
Colin Cowherd
anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?
- [42:09]
Jeff Goodman
When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?
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Jeff Goodman
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
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Sports Analyst / Commentator
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Podcast Host / Narrator
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Colin Cowherd
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