THE HERD - Hour 3 - Urban Meyer stops by The Herd

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Podcast Summary: THE HERD - Hour 3 - Urban Meyer Stops By The Herd

Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Host: Colin Cowherd
Date: November 7, 2025
Guest: Urban Meyer (with Rob Parker contributing)
Platform: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Overview of Episode Theme

In Hour 3 of The Herd, Colin Cowherd is joined by former college football coach and current analyst Urban Meyer for an honest, sharply opinionated exploration of the week’s top college football storylines. The discussion centers on coaching rumors (specifically Meyer’s own rumored interest in Penn State), quarterback development, the changing landscape of college football, NFL rumors, and predictions for several major college and NFL games. The tone is quick, conversational, and mixes analysis with behind-the-scenes perspective from both Cowherd and Meyer.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Urban Meyer Addresses Penn State Coaching Rumors

• Rumor Clarified:
  • Urban Meyer unequivocally denies meeting or negotiating with Penn State about their head coaching position.
    • Quote: “I certainly did not meet with Penn State about the job... I have no interest in coaching again. So, no, of course not.” (04:40)
• Agent and Monetary Scenario:
  • When pressed hypothetically if he’d return for $15M a year, Meyer jokes, “Big Noon, baby.” (05:03) — an allusion to staying with his present TV role.

2. Lincoln Riley, USC, and Coaching Tensions

• USC’s Position & Lincoln Riley:
  • Cowherd and Meyer discuss the narrative around Lincoln Riley possibly being on the move, referencing persistent rumors but expressing skepticism.
  • Meyer emphasizes the strengths of USC’s program: resources, recruiting, tradition, and asserts Riley is rightly positioned for success.
    • Quote (Meyer): “That’s one of the places I don’t understand, Colin. That’s got everything... I expect Lincoln Riley... to not go anywhere, and they’re going to have a nice run coming up.” (05:56-06:27)

3. Quarterback Development & NFL Prospects

• Dante Moore & Fernando Mendoza:
  • Meyer lauds both quarterbacks’ talents, but stresses the value of returning for another year rather than entering the NFL draft prematurely.
    • Quote: “I think they all come back. I think they all should come back and get one more year... You have nil money. They’re going to make more money in college than [in] the first couple years [of the NFL]... I don’t think right now any one of them are the top starter in the NFL.” (06:55-07:41)
  • On physical traits, Meyer says Moore is “a humble guy... still got some growth to do physically.” (06:55)
  • Regarding Mendoza, Meyer identifies him as a “system quarterback” (not a knock, but a credit to both the player and the system provided).
    • Quote: “People used to say our quarterbacks were system quarterbacks. And I was like, you're damn right they are. They're great quarterbacks that play in a great system. That’s what I see with Mendoza.” (08:11)
• Heisman Considerations:
  • Mendoza’s relatively low passing yardage might hurt his candidacy.
  • For both, Meyer prescribes another year of development for NFL readiness.

4. Lane Kiffin: NFL Future or College Loyalty?

• Meyer discusses Lane Kiffin’s growth and suggests Kiffin is better off remaining in the college game for now.
  • Quote: “My advice to Lane is, you got something good, man, stick with it.” (09:16-09:56)

5. Ohio State’s Dominance and Psychological Challenges

• Defensive Mastery:
  • Ohio State’s current defense receives high praise for playing at an NFL level.
• Developing Julian Saying:
  • Meyer calls Ohio State’s handling of young QB Julian Saying a “masterclass” in QB development, highlighting not overburdening him early, and his synergy with talented receivers.
    • Quote: “He’s completed 80% of his passes, legitimate Heisman Trophy candidate. And he’s throwing to, I think, the two best receivers in the sport.” (10:21)
• Staying Hungry:
  • Meyer discusses the challenge for teams to remain motivated after success, noting that “reset” losses have, in his experience, spurred teams to get back on track.
    • Quote: “You want to coach a pissed off team. I'm sure there's a way that coach Day’s trying to figure out a way to get that team angry...” (12:02-12:39)

6. College Football’s Changing Power Map

• Meyer notes a shift in the playoff race: traditional powers like Clemson, LSU, Florida, etc., are fading, while schools like IU, Ole Miss, BYU, and Texas Tech rise.
  • Quote: “Out with the old... in with the new... College football has never been like this.” (12:45-13:05)

7. NFL Talk: Coaching Job Security & Rookie QBs

• Brian Daboll Almost Fired?
  • Reports surface that the Giants nearly fired Brian Daboll after a Denver loss. The panel discusses why firing a top coach midseason is counterproductive.
    • Quote (Cowherd): “You don’t let the best coach in the middle of the season go... fans and players are all like, we want the interim. And that doesn’t work either.” (22:06-22:28)
• Rookie Quarterbacks and Offensive Growth:
  • Analysis of young QBs (Drake May, Caleb Williams) holding onto the ball too long—partly due to learning NFL coverages.
  • Drake May openly takes responsibility for sacks and emphasizes improving his quick decision-making.
    • Quote (Drake May, clip): “A lot of the sacks I have taken have been my fault, you know, been me holding the football... my mindset is get it out...” (25:35-25:59)
• Matchups & Pundit Picks:
  • In the “Tomorrow’s Headlines Today” segment (34:47–41:59), detailed predictions are made for key NFL games, including Patriots-Bucs, Bears-Giants, Cardinals-Seahawks, Rams-Niners, and Eagles-Packers, with robust back-and-forth analysis.

8. Miscellaneous: Receivers, Social Media, NBA Talk

• Rome Odunze’s Dad on Social Media:
  • The crew laughs about parents of NFL players liking posts about trades and how normal that is in today’s sports environment.
    • Quote (Cowherd): “Quarterback dad has become pageant mom.” (28:07)
• LeBron James Narrative Watch:
  • Playful speculation on LeBron’s strategically timed health updates and potential manipulation of media narratives.
    • Quote (Cowherd): “Sometimes LeBron’s camp is, you know, a little manipulative. They like to get their message out.” (43:41-43:50)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Urban on Penn State rumors:

  “I certainly did not meet with Penn State about the job...I have no interest in coaching again. So, no, of course not.” (04:40)

• Urban on modern college football parity:

  “College football has never been like this.” (13:05)

• Urban on young QBs and NIL:

  “You have nil money. They’re going to make more money in college than you will the first couple years…all come back, get another year…” (07:00)

• Meyer on Lane Kiffin’s maturity:

  “I told him...your maturity level, what you’ve done as a coach...I’m really proud of what he’s done…” (09:24)

• Cowherd on coach firings:

  “You don’t let the best coach in the middle of the season go. The second thing is, then you put an interim in. It’s the substitute teacher.” (22:06)

• Meyer on motivating championship teams:

  “You want to coach a pissed off team. I’m sure there’s a way that coach Day’s trying to figure out a way to get that team angry...” (12:27)

• On social media family drama:

  “Quarterback dad has become pageant mom.” – Colin Cowherd (28:07)

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Key Timestamps

• 04:40: Urban Meyer denies Penn State rumors
• 05:56–06:27: Meyer on USC, Lincoln Riley, and the myth of difficulty at USC
• 06:55–07:41: Meyer’s advice for young QBs (Moore, Mendoza): stay in college another year
• 08:11: Mendoza as the ideal “system quarterback”
• 09:16–09:56: Lane Kiffin: Should he (or will he) jump to the NFL?
• 12:02–12:39: Meyer on how “reset” losses can motivate championship teams
• 13:05: “College football has never been like this” (parity discussion)
• 22:06–22:28: Debate about firing Brian Daboll: perils of midseason coach changes
• 25:35–25:59: Drake May on taking sacks and NFL learning curve
• 34:47–41:59: “Tomorrow’s Headlines Today” – in-depth NFL picks and breakdown
• 28:07: Quarterback dads, social media, and the “pageant mom” phenomenon
• 43:41–43:50: On LeBron’s media strategies

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Structure

1. Rumors, Rebuttals, and Coaching Carousel

• Urban Meyer firmly shuts down Penn State rumors (04:40).
• Lincoln Riley’s future: not going anywhere, USC remains a sleeping giant.

2. College Football Analysis and Trends

• Quarterback development: NIL and patience trump early NFL entry.
• Lane Kiffin’s evolution as a coach.
• Ohio State’s defensive dominance & QB handling.
• The need to manufacture hunger for highly ranked teams.

3. NFL Insights, Hot Seats, and Rookie QBs

• In-depth talk about head-coaching job security (Daboll/Giants).
• The importance of stability for young QBs (Jackson Dart).
• “Tomorrow’s Headlines Today”: breakdowns and betting trends for key Sunday games.

4. Media Narratives, Social Media and Player Families

• Parental involvement on social media, its effects.
• LeBron’s careful management of his return narrative.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers trademark Cowherd candor, insightful analysis from Urban Meyer, and the kind of off-the-cuff, real talk that listeners value when assessing both the business and culture of football. The show demonstrates how the landscape of both college and professional football is shifting—with more parity and more player empowerment—while still being shaped by traditional concerns of coaching mastery and program stability. Meyer’s practical advice for quarterback prospects and his nuanced perspective on coaching rumors add valuable depth to the day’s biggest sports stories.

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Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Urban Meyer]

I certainly did not meet with Penn State about the job. And yeah, my phone started blowing up last week, and I got a lot of respect for Penn State, but I have no interest in coaching again. And so. No, of course not.

[Rob Parker]

Okay. I know your agent guy, Larry. My friend Larry Jones. Does he get. What if somebody called him and said, here, I'm 15 million a year for Urban Meyer? What would you say?

[Urban Meyer]

Big noon, baby.

[Rob Parker]

All right, I got to throw it out there. I like your loyalty. I appreciate that. Okay, so here's the other Thing I saw a story this morning. Now USC's at home tonight and they're gonna. They're favored and they should. They're very good home team under Lincoln Riley. But there's a story about, you know, keep your eye. Josh Pate, who a guy I know and respect, he's got great sourcing, says keep your eye on Penn State and Lincoln Riley. I don't know who floated it. I know that's what wow. But here's my thing and I said this about or I like Lincoln. I think he's smart. I think he's a really bright offensive guy. I think he's done an unbelievable job with Jaden Mava. But I can also say four years in, that record's pretty close to Clay Hilton. And I know he's better than Clay. But my question is, what is USC four years in? When I ask you what are they Urban, you tell me.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah, I think it's Phil. And that's one of the places I don't understand Colin. That's got everything. There's some places that are hard. I don't think USC is hard. You know, my entire career I recruited out in California. You have. It all comes down to recruiting based tradition. And you have everything. And I understand you have plenty of resources in the Nil. And they got an excellent coach in Lincoln Riley. I expect Lincoln Riley. When you see the recruiting rankings, what they've done recently, I see him not going anywhere. And they're going to have a nice run here coming up.

[Rob Parker]

Okay.

[Urban Meyer]

In the next couple of years.

[Rob Parker]

Okay. So Oregon is the team you're going to really have your eye on tomorrow.

[Urban Meyer]

Right.

[Rob Parker]

And I. Because you were so good with quarterbacks, I believe Mendoza won Dante more too. They have positioned themselves for the draft. I've watched all of them. I watched Ty Simpson. I've watched everybody from Trinidad Chambers and Ole Miss. I've watched all of them. What do you see with Dante Moore? What makes him special?

[Urban Meyer]

He was on our big news set. He's a wonderful guy. He's kind of a humble guy, too. When he visited our set, we talked with him. I stood next to him. He's still got some growth to do physically. Here's. I'm going to say something that, that I truly believe and Todd McShay is one of my dear friends. We spent a lot of time talking about this. I think they all come back. I think they all should come back and get one more year of that. The one position in all of sport that you cannot replace experience with is quarterback. You have nil money. They're going to make more money in college than you will the first couple years until the second contract all come back, including Mendoza. More everybody come back, get another year and then see their draft stock improve. Because I don't think right now any one of them are the top starter in the NFL.

[Rob Parker]

Well, okay, let's. So Dante Moore to me moves. He's six two. And by the way, you're six two ish. Is he when you sized him up, is he legit six two ish?

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah, he's around there. I think I'm a six one plus and he's my size. And he still can get stronger. He's still, you know, sometimes you look at these mature bodies on a guy, he's still got the room to grow.

[Rob Parker]

Okay, what about Fernando Mendoza? Because a lot of the success is Kurt Signetti. A lot of it's Mendoza. What do you make of him?

[Urban Meyer]

I love him. I think he's. And I, I said this on Big Noon. People used to say our quarterbacks were system quarterbacks. And I was like, you're damn right they are. They're great quarterbacks that play in a great system. That's what I see with Mendoza. He's an athletic enough to get him out of trouble, extend plays with his legs and also run. He's very accurate. He takes care of the ball. He plays within the system. I love him as a player. Here's the only thing. He's only throwing for about 235, 240 passing yards per game. I think that could hurt him in Heisman race because I think he's a Heisman candidate for sure. He is. And then is he set, ready for the NFL again? Come back, go one more year, get another year experience and get ready for the NFL.

[Rob Parker]

So Lane Kiffin, I suggested this is that the world's changing in college football. The portal, the nil needy boosters. You know, you're raising money constantly. If you could, if Lane Kiffin of Miami said we're going to roll the dice on Lane Kiffin, if you could give him one piece of advice. College to pro in that in the world of the NFL where it's billionaire owners, what do you make Elaine Kiffin to the NFL? Does it make sense to you?

[Urban Meyer]

It does. I think he's, you know, Elaine and I have had a history together. We've become pretty good friends and he's. I've seen him mature.

[Rob Parker]

I'm proud of him.

[Urban Meyer]

I told him that one time. I said your maturity level, what you've done as a, you know, as a coach. Instead of just the quarterback coach, offense coordinator, he's become a head coach. I'm really proud of what he's done, so I could absolutely see that. The biggest issue I had is you lose in the NFL and you lose a lot sometimes, and obviously that's. That's a hard thing to handle. So I don't know if I was laying. You got it pretty good right where you're at. They love you. They could maybe build a statue of you someday if they keep going there. So my advice to Lane is, you got something good, man, stick with it. Yeah.

[Rob Parker]

Hey. Ohio State's defense is good and getting better. I mean, it's just unbelievable. It's, it's. There's. The windows are tiny. If you're going to throw an Ohio. Ohio State, those windows are NFL windows. Like, there's just no openings. And Julian saying, even though he's a kid, boy. What does Ryan Day tell you about Julian saying? Because it just. He makes it look easy.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah. I think Ryan Day and Brian Hartline, offense coordinator, have done a masterclass on how to develop a young quarterback. They did not put too much on his plate. You remember against Texas, they did not ask him go to win the game because they didn't have to. Especially the way the game started with the defense is playing now. He's complete 80% of his passes, legitimate Heisman Trophy candidate. And he's throwing the, I think the two best receivers in the sport. Yeah, I mean, he. You've seen him throw. He has so much confidence in those guys. He's throwing 50, 50 balls with the belief they're going to come down with it. And they are. Oh, no.

[Rob Parker]

Ohio State's receiving. I mean, heart lines change. The whole program. I mean, it's. It's like. I think their receivers are better than their linebackers. And for years it was, you know, linebacker. You. The. When you at everything sized up. I thought one of the things about college football last year, it's more of an NFL feel. It's longer. You can lose, you can lose late. It's really about going into the tournament healthy with a little, you try momentum. Although Ohio State didn't have it. Do you worry that last year Ohio State came into the playoff angry? They lost as a favorite to Michigan. They had a lot to prove. There was absolute urgency. This year. They're rolling people. How do you change that psychology from the hunter? Because people, I mean, Ryan Day in that before that Tennessee game, people were writing him out. And now you look like the dominant team. How do you change that? Do you worry about that as a coach is like we're we're a number one and everybody forget the Natty. We won last year. We look clearly like the best team. Does that worry you? How do you optimize that as a coach and does it concern you?

[Urban Meyer]

It does. But everything worries me. Every title we won three titles and every time we had that reset loss, you know it was either Auburn, it was Ole Miss in 08. It was who lose to when I was at Ohio State. I can't remember now but we always had that reset. I'm going to actually ask that question to Dan Lanning tomorrow. Is going to join us on Big Noon Has Oregon has had a reset ever since that loss to Indiana. Ohio State is rolling. You want to coach a pissed off team. I'm sure there's a way that coach days trying to figure out a way to get that team angry in the stretch around here. Certainly coming up in a few weeks in Ann Arbor they'll be plenty angry for that one.

[Rob Parker]

Yeah. How anything in the college football rankings did you disagree agree with it? Were you okay with it?

[Urban Meyer]

I thought they did a good job and I think this is interesting column we've talked about out with the old Clemson, lsu, Penn State, Florida, Florida State, Wolverines, they're kind of out. And then in how about this iu, Ole Miss, byu, Texas Tech, Utah, Vandy, Georgia Tech, all with a shot for the college playoff parody. And college football has never been like this.

[Rob Parker]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Rob Parker]

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[Urban Meyer]

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[Rob Parker]

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[Urban Meyer]

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[Urban Meyer]

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[Urban Meyer]

It is crazy.

[Rob Parker]

I, I, you know, I'm glad you're taking a positive spin on, on Lincoln Riley, because when I saw that story, I thought, oh boy, no way. People are. Listen, I know he's a good coach, but there is something about USC's program. It, there's been stumble. We know Kiffin can coach. We know Lincoln can coach. We know Sark can coach. Right. And there's something in, I don't know what it is. The roadblock. I, I, I don't know.

[Urban Meyer]

I refuse to believe that. Colin. I really do.

[Rob Parker]

You think he's staying?

[Urban Meyer]

I think he stays and I think they go on a great run, but.

[Rob Parker]

All right, I haven't talked to him about it. Hey, by the way, there's a great pizza place in Iowa City. It's called the Airliner. I had a sausage pizza there, I crushed it and so just Wrote that down. It's called the Airliner. And don't order it next to liner. He'll eat the whole thing. But it's. It's a great place. Go there tonight. My name won't help you, but Iowa City is an underrated place. They don't like you a ton there. But that, well, you know, that's life. Big Ten country.

[Urban Meyer]

I'll throw your name around, see what happens.

[Rob Parker]

Yeah, well, don't. I can tell you what will happen. I called them that. What did I call them? The fake ID of college football for 10 years. They don't like me there at all, so.

[Urban Meyer]

Okay, I'll save it.

[Rob Parker]

Okay. Save it for. Save it for.

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You know, I.

[Rob Parker]

It plays better in Ann Arbor, I'll say that. All right. Great. Senior Irvin.

[Urban Meyer]

Good to see you.

[Rob Parker]

Colin.

[Urban Meyer]

All right.

[Rob Parker]

Yeah. I think Lincoln's going to be fine. It's just. Listen, they've had good coaches there. Sark and Lane and Lincoln, these very respected coaches. It's hard to win. It is interesting, though, if you look at the college football landscape yet ole Ms. And BYU and Texas Tech and I just talked to somebody yesterday, very tight into college football. He said Alabama's having money problems. It just. It's just hard. It's just. There's just. Who are your richest four boosters? It's. It's changing it. Changing the dynamic. J. Mac with the news.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, no, no, no.

[Rob Parker]

Turn on the news.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is the Herd line news. All right, let's get started with an interesting Brian Dable story that popped up. It's courtesy of a W fan reporter that's a radio station in New York City, so who knows how accurate this is, but it sure is spicy. He says Brian Dable was nearly fired after the loss to Denver. Here it is. And I've now gotten this from multiple people I trust, which is why I'm going to come here with it. The Giants were firing Brian Dable off the plane after the collapse in Denver.

[Rob Parker]

Really?

[Colin Cowherd]

He was fired?

[Urban Meyer]

Fired.

[Colin Cowherd]

Ownership got together, cooler heads prevailed, and they decided not to fire Brian Dable off the plane in Denver. But in the immediacy of that collapse, the decision to throw on third and five like Tiki had crushed after that game, enough, apparently, was enough from people of importance with the Giants that he was fired off the plane in Denver. So you, a couple weeks ago, were thinking you gave Dable and Dart another year to bake, right?

[Rob Parker]

Yes. Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

Does this report from whoever this guy is change your mind?

[Rob Parker]

Well, whoever that guy is has been around for A while. So I think the report's valid.

[Colin Cowherd]

So they got the Bears this week, their dogs. We'll talk about it in headlines in a minute. Then it's Green Bay, Detroit.

[Rob Parker]

I stayed away with England this week. The weather in Chicago.

[Colin Cowherd]

We'll talk about it next.

[Rob Parker]

I, I think that game. Don't get overconfident, Bears fans.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, listen, listen. If the, if the Giants lose that and then they have Green Bay, Detroit, New England, Colin, they are looking at being 2 and 10 pretty, pretty much here in short order. I mean, day ball could get fired during the bye week. I mean, what, what. By the way, what's your take on normally this like mid season firing versus hate it. Don't, don't remember what the jets did with Salah, how bad that was.

[Rob Parker]

You do that. First of all, day ball's the best coach on the staff, 100%. Okay? So you let the best. Why would you ever let the best employee in a department out? If he leaves, it's one thing. If you have the fire him because you're rebuilding culture. You don't let the best coach in the middle of the season go. The second thing is, then you put an interim in. It's the substitute teacher. Everybody plays hard and then the fans and the players are all like, we want the interim. And that doesn't work either. So my take is, don't disrupt Jackson Dart's growth. Give him day ball. Go from Lane Kiffin for three years. Brian Dabel an entire year. Don't. It's not worth it. It's like bad teams should not make big sweeping deals at the trade deadline unless they're getting star players for the future. And the other thing is, don't disrupt Jackson Dart's growth. This year is all about Jackson Dart. That the whole year is about Jackson Dart.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, he's got no neighbors. Cam Scatterboo cooked for the season. I don't understand why you could, why you would want to run him off off a loss to Denver. By the way, so many things had to happen for Denver to come back from down, you know, up 50 points or whatever. Remember that game?

[Rob Parker]

Denver's done that to like six teams in a row.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't know.

[Rob Parker]

Denver's got much better players than the Giants.

[Colin Cowherd]

So again, like, if you're going for the New York Giants job, if Lane Kiffin hears this, that the Giants were like, we gotta fire this guy after this brutal loss again, I would be very careful. Urban Meyer seems to agree. If you're Lane Kiffin, you're in A great spot. They're building a statue of you in Oxford. New York Giants. You're not going to be an all time great coach. They've had an amazing history. You're swimming upstream. I don't. It's a bad news if you're Jackson Dart too, right. Like you said, him and Dabel seem to have a great camaraderie. All right, let's move on to the Patriots Bucks game this weekend. Battle of division leaders. Drake May is. He's playing tremendous football this season. He has taken a lot of sacks, though. Colin?

[Rob Parker]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Where are you on this? Drake May absorbing sacks versus turning.

[Rob Parker]

I don't like it. And it's gotten worse. So some of it is again, young quarterbacks struggling to quickly read coverages tend to hold. Hold it a beat longer. We see this with Caleb. Yep. We see it with Bo Nix. Young quarterbacks tend to hold it just a beat longer because they're adapting to coverages and it's much more sophisticated than college. And then the other part is there's a lot of great pass rushers in the AFC and football. So I think it's part of being a young quarterback is when Brady was at his best his last 10 years, you couldn't get to Brady. Yeah, he got the ball out immediately. Aaron Rodgers gets it out fast. Mahomes gets rid of it. Those guys have seen every coverage. Drake May is still a developing young quarterback and again in the NFL, Caleb holds it the longest at 3.1. Mahomes get rid. Gets rid of it quickly at 2.6. It's like 1000. It's a beat.

[Colin Cowherd]

Here's the best part. May is aware of all this and he talked to the media about taking sacks. Take a listen.

[Urban Meyer]

A lot of the sacks I have taken have been my fault, you know, been me holding the football and you.

[Rob Parker]

Know, I want to credit those guys for what they've done in blitz pickup games and how hard they work on, you know, watching film and, and watching.

[Urban Meyer]

You know, on Thursdays, the third down cut ups and what they do kind of blitz wise.

[Rob Parker]

So that just my mindset, get it out and know that there's, you know.

[Urban Meyer]

Less people, you know, covered if they're.

[Rob Parker]

Blitzing and just trying to be, you know, better.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I'm looking at the New England Patriots, I'm sorry, the Buccaneers pass rush. We know what Bowles likes to do. Dial up the blitz. Rookie young quarterbacks, he's really dominated. Do you have any read on this game? Colin? We'll be doing it in the headlines here Shortly.

[Rob Parker]

Well, I think New England's had a nice run of very beatable teams. The Buffalo win was impressive, but Tampa. Todd Bowles dials up some of the smartest, most aggressive blitzes in the league. You go on the road, Tampa's off a buy. That gives Todd Bowles an extra three or four days of film. Building a game plan against the Drake. May a young quarterback. Drake is really talented, but this is a tough one, okay, Because Tampa is in a fight. Right? I like Tampa here. Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't want to give away my pick, but we'll do it shortly. Final story. Colin, to your hometown Chicago Bears. They had an amazing offensive performance against the Bengals last week, but one guy in particular didn't do much. Roma Dunze. The young receiver, Colin no catches, three targets. And then his father went on social media and liked a post, saying the Bears should trade a Dunze to a team that will actually throw to him. Boy, and now Rome has to answer for his dad. Take a listen.

[Rob Parker]

I don't make a big deal out of it. You know, obviously, he has his opinions, I have mine, and he feel like.

[Colin Cowherd]

He needs to voice those things on.

[Rob Parker]

On social media, but, you know, that that's.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's his prerogative.

[Rob Parker]

But, you know, he speaks for himself.

[Colin Cowherd]

I speak for myself. Man, I'm happy.

[Rob Parker]

You know, I'm. I'm just trying to do my job within this, you know, organization that's, you know, as a leader, as a. As a person, as an individual, and then as a football player, so trying to execute, excel at, you know, hall of Fame level in both those aspects. So that's all I'm focused on. What do you make of it?

[Colin Cowherd]

He's too good. I mean, earlier this season, I was like, hey, Dunz's good. You could trade DJ Moore and get picks. But now the Bears are in the wild card mix. They're not moving off anybody. Obviously. I. I like to say this is much ado about nothing. I know you were a stage dad once with your kids playing sports, right?

[Rob Parker]

Yeah, I think. I think some of this you got to bake in. I'd be more concerned if Roma Dunze had a. A brother or a sister. Generationally talking, oh, dads are going to be protective of their sons. Moms. I've said quarterback dad has become pageant mom. You're just getting people that are trying to do the best for their kids, but they're kind of delusional. I would worry if it was like, Roma Dunze, you know, like Michael Vick's brother would talk or because brothers tell each other stuff they don't tell dad or Mom. Right? Dads are always going to be protective. Like it's just the reality of it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I do wonder if the weather isn't awful. It looks like it's going to be windy. Giants are down two quarterbacks again. I mean Giants team is beat up. I I like the Bears a lot this weekend.

[Rob Parker]

Watch out, the weather is sloppy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Just looked up the weather apparently for I like the Bears here. I'll just leave it at that.

[Rob Parker]

Okay, JMAC with the news.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd line news.

[Rob Parker]

He's been hot. He's got his picks. Tomorrow's headlines today.

[Urban Meyer]

Next.

[Colin Cowherd]

Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Denver, 34,000 people come out.

[Urban Meyer]

Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.

[Andrea Gunning]

His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.

[Rob Parker]

Does that sound like a radical idea, Katie?

[Urban Meyer]

Is that too far left for you?

[Andrea Gunning]

Okay, okay, I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living and of course the government shutdown. Not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party.

[Urban Meyer]

To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.

[Andrea Gunning]

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[Colin Cowherd]

On the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night. Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka Walley, a double board certified physician. And I'm Hari Kundabolu, a comedian and someone who once Googled Do I have scurvy at 3am on health stuff, we're talking about health in a different way. It's not only about what we can do to improve our health, but also what our health says about us and the way we're living. Like our episode where we look at diabetes in the United states. I mean 50% of Americans are pre diabetic. How preventable is type 2?

[Rob Parker]

Extremely.

[Colin Cowherd]

Or our in depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are. Oh, it's hard to explain to rest of the world that like your mangoes are fine because mangoes are incredible. But like you don't even know. You don't know.

[Rob Parker]

You don't know.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's going to be a fun ride. So tune in, listen to health stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Rob Parker]

Well, it's that time of the week that we can size up the blazing five against jmax picks. When we do agree our hit rates, it's pretty strong.

[Colin Cowherd]

Hey, I see 86.4% on is that.

[Rob Parker]

What they say on chat GP?

[Andrea Gunning]

No, no.

[Colin Cowherd]

On the Internet. They're following all our picks every every week.

[Rob Parker]

So all right, the former the former Fish Wrap editor newspaper guy J. Mac, it's called Tomorrow's Headlines today. What's your headline gonna be on Monday for the Patriots at the Bucks?

[Colin Cowherd]

At least you didn't call me an ink stain wretch. I like this game a lot. This is really fascinating. Two powers from each conference. The headline for Patriots Bucks will be Yo Ho Ho. Oh no no no. Pirate Ship Plundered by Mayflower. I'm going with your guy Drake May in New England. Some interesting stuff. First of all, you just said Todd Bowles off a buy and I'm like oh yeah, let me look that up. So he is not a scheme guy. He's a walk around guy. Defensive coach. One in five off the buy in his career with the jets and Tampa. Interestingly, he does love to blitz. Tampa seventh in blitz rate. But how is Drake May done against the blitz? This is staggering. Number one in QBR in the league against a blitz. He is second in big plays. He's a read and react quarterback. Drake May's really good man. I don't want to be like, hey, top 10 quarterback in the league.

[Rob Parker]

He's good.

[Colin Cowherd]

But it's not like his receivers are amazing, right? I mean Stefan Diggs is showing well lately. I just like what I've seen from May. Variable. Very good coach. Final fun stat. Christian Gonzalez is a go. I would Assume they're going to have him locked into a Booka. So I know people are saying, oh, Gonzalez got cooked. He got roasted by Drake London. Not really. They did a good job moving London around. Christian Gonzalez against Drake. London only allowed three catches on seven targets for 67 yards. So he was really pretty good against London. The other guys got roasted. I like Drake, man. The Patriots to go in and pull a bit of an upset as two and a half point dogs.

[Rob Parker]

Wow. Tomorrow's headlines today, I stayed away from this game because of the weather. I think Chicago's better. Giants at the Bears.

[Colin Cowherd]

I thought you as a new Chicago resident would love this wind and rain. The headline for Bears Giants will be Strip Mall Rebuild a Bear Revives Chicago Franchise. I gotta go with the Bears here. Colin. Everything lines up to me as Chicago in this spot. So I did just look up the weather. Rain and wind all morning. It's going to be ugly. 30s during the game and a lot of wind but no precipitation. It doesn't appear as of now for me. I just wonder if the Giants have maybe thrown in the towel on the season. You look at the injury report and more guys are getting added every week. Their kicker, Gano, he may not go. They may have to sign former Falcons kicker. Their center not at practice today looks like he's going to be ruled out. They're down their top two cornerbacks. This is a mass unit. And again it's Jackson Dart against the world. I like to thank Dennis Allen, who's been up and down as a defensive coordinator this year. I think he can scheme stuff up and I really like this Chicago run game. Colin, worst run defense in the league by a lot. The New York Giants. This is a swift Kyle Manungai, however you say his name. I like them going over 200 yards combined. Caleb, safe throws, no turnovers. Bears 27 13.

[Rob Parker]

Tomorrow's Headlines Today, Cardinals at the Seahawks. Now it's a division game. It's a big, big number. Arizona may be feeling themselves, but it is Jacoby Brissette starting.

[Colin Cowherd]

I got burned by a division game last night. Remember, I was on the Broncos. But not the case here. The headline for Arizona Seattle will be Tacoma toast. You snooze, you lose. Week 10 in Seattle. I am on the Seahawks here. Fun stat. Arizona has not beaten Seattle since 2021. Now, a lot of that's Kyler Murray who has been dreadful against Seattle. He's not starting, which was your good point, by the way. This earlier meeting. It was 20 to 6. Seattle with like 6 minutes left before Some Luckbox stuff at the end of the. So Jacoby Brissette's in. Colin, we like Brissette as a backup.

[Rob Parker]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

How many weeks of tape we got on him now? It's not just one or two. This is a. He's been playing for a while. He looks good. Kyler's on ir. Jacoby can breathe easy. He's the guy. Now, I just wonder, this Seattle defense, did you see what they were doing to Jaden Daniels?

[Rob Parker]

Oh, it was brutal.

[Colin Cowherd]

He couldn't do anything. I mean, they are swarming. They're fully healthy. I think all 11 starters are back. These are one of the nastier defensive units in the league. They've been spotty at home, which has me a little concerned. I don't know why they're so good on the road. Any theories, like, because historically this team's been really.

[Rob Parker]

Well, geographically, it's a long road trip almost everywhere except like San Francisco. So I. I think defense and run games travel well and I think under McDonald, they're a run team first and they play defense.

[Colin Cowherd]

And oh, by the way, just now, Will Johnson, the great quarterback out of Michigan, ruled out for Arizona.

[Rob Parker]

That's not good for Arizona.

[Colin Cowherd]

Was it the knock on him that he was kind of injury prone at Michigan?

[Rob Parker]

He wasn't. He wasn't a burner. Like, he wasn't a lockdown corner. He's been good.

[Colin Cowherd]

They're going to miss him because this guy, JSN might be the best receiver in the league.

[Rob Parker]

Tomorrow's headlines today, Rams Niners. I think it's low scoring and close. J. Mack, what say you?

[Colin Cowherd]

Low scoring Niners get hemorrhaging points of the Giants. The headline for Niners, Rams Will B. Puka shellacking Niners drubbed. Clubbed scrubbed. I don't like the vibes around the Niners this week at all. Have you noticed? I think you picked this up. Kyle Shanahan's getting a little. He's never smiling during these press conferences. Colin, 16 guys on the injury report for the Niners.

[Andrea Gunning]

16.

[Colin Cowherd]

They are dead last in pressure rate in the league. Salah cannot generate pressure without Bosa Huff, who is practicing. We'll see. And then they lost the young guy, Mikhail Williams. So you're telling me Matt Stafford's in a clean pocket with Puka, who's clear to play healthy? No, no, no. Designation Puka. Devonte Adams. I mean, I don't want to say the Rams could pick their score here. I have a feeling this could get ugly. I know Shanahan's been doing a great job but I just, I look at this team and they're just not healthy enough. Colin and the Rams defense, by the way, you, you were on this early.

[Rob Parker]

With verse and oh, it's fantastic.

[Colin Cowherd]

Now I know it was just the Saints and they face some pretty bad teams but they're flying around in the front seven. Very confident group. I like the Rams here. Big.

[Rob Parker]

Finally, tomorrow's headlines today, NFC heavyweight matchup. Philly at Green Bay.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, so this is one where we, I think we disagree on you. Love you some Eagles and I like the Eagles a lot. Jalen hurts out here giving out fortune cookie advice at the press conference. Is he really like likeable guy. But the headline for packers eagles will be poutine on the ritz. Philly creamed by cheese whizzes. I like the packers here. Colin. This is a great bounce back Scott spot for Green Bay.

[Rob Parker]

They may have been looking ahead last week.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think they probably were. It was a trap game against Carolina.

[Rob Parker]

We talked about that last Friday and.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh by the way, they didn't punt in that game. They moved the ball up and down the field. Just ineptitude kicking, turnover on downs. I think the pressure from Green Bay up front led by Micah Parsons gets to Jalen hurts. I think the Green Bay packers secondary grades out really good.

[Rob Parker]

You're taking four out of five favorites too. Just different ones.

[Colin Cowherd]

Thanks for reminding me. No, and Bryce Young, by the way, he had 102 yards passing last week. Let's not act like the Panthers run up and down the field and killed him. So I think there's a tough spot for Philly. I like Micah and company when they need to show up against the best teams. Green Bay historically has done that. Yeah. So I like them especially under a field goal.

[Rob Parker]

The other story today, and it's just supposition, but I talked about this earlier. I'm not trying to poke holes or start little campfires. Earlier this week, let me put my tinfoil hat on LeBron's camp saying he would not make the five game road trip. Then Luca Wednesday night has one of his games of the year. They beat red hot San Antonio. They stymie Wemby and the next morning the sciatica nerve is apparently not getting on LeBron's nerves and he is now allowed. Contact is now allowed.

[Colin Cowherd]

Come on guys.

[Rob Parker]

I don't know, it seems weird that that story went from I'm not traveling. The nerve is a problem. Luke is great. They beat Wemby and LeBron makes sure it gets out There that I am ready to roll.

[Colin Cowherd]

Austin Reeves also did not play against Wemby. Basically, Luca and a bunch of dudes by kind of by himself. You. You really. I think you're just stirring the pot here. You need to go hang out with LeBron again. It's been a couple years, right, since I like LeBron.

[Rob Parker]

I'm pro LeBron.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Rob Parker]

But it is. It felt intentional. Sometimes LeBron's camp is, you know, a little manipulative.

[Colin Cowherd]

They like to get there.

[Rob Parker]

They like to get their message out.

[Colin Cowherd]

Not LeBron's camp. No way. Okay, fine.

[Rob Parker]

It was interesting. Not going on the roadie. I'm available.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Rob Parker]

Contact. Like, how did.

[Colin Cowherd]

Just suddenly I'm seeing people putting nonsense out there. Like, hey, LeBron should come off the bench so he doesn't mess up the vibes. He was second team all NBA last year. What are you doing?

[Rob Parker]

I'm interested to watch Luca, Austin and LeBron. There's one ball, and they're. They're all very good with the ball in their hands. I mean, when Luke. When Luke and LeBron didn't play and it was just Austin, he was dropping 40s. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

I got the numbers from our guy. I asked Zach, how many games have they played together? Luca, LeBron and Reeves. 26 games together. That's it. That's what, a third of a season?

[Rob Parker]

It's a better version of the Brooklyn Nets with KD and Harden and Kyrie.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's not terrible. Luca was hurt last year, right? And then this year, LeBron, they're gonna be fine. I trust JJ Redick, he was. He was podcast partners with LeBron. You think he's gonna like.

[Rob Parker]

I. I don't worry. JJ Redick is a very good coach. I think he's a growing coach. I think he's fine, but I. You know, it's. It's. I mean, LeBron, we. We have to be honest about this. I'm pro. LeBron, he. He makes sure timing with his social media and his messaging. He's very aware of branding and. And he's very measured when he has to be and very calculating. It just. It was just funny to me.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Rob Parker]

Can't make the roadie Luca look great. Knock off the Spurs. I. Hello? I am available soon. Just throwing it out.

[Colin Cowherd]

Don't forget about me. I'm still here.

[Rob Parker]

Keep your eye on the Dodgers.

[Colin Cowherd]

What's going on?

[Rob Parker]

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[Urban Meyer]

All.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is that classic HBCU vibe.

[Rob Parker]

Non stop action.

[Urban Meyer]

The band is rocking and the crowd lit. Chance echo drum beat.

[Rob Parker]

Everybody showing that school pride. Game like this.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola.

[Rob Parker]

Ah, crisp and refreshing.

[Urban Meyer]

That's a game changer right there.

[Rob Parker]

Yeah, that taste always hits the right note. Just like the band at halftime.

[Colin Cowherd]

And just like that, we're back at it.

[Rob Parker]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Rob Parker]

That's a winning combo.

[Urban Meyer]

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[Andrea Gunning]

On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years and today he even throws a few questions my way.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right, are you ready for another question?

[Andrea Gunning]

Go ahead, hit me, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

On the podcast health stuff. We are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.

[Urban Meyer]

Dr.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm Dr. Priyanka Wali, a double board certified physician. And I'm Hari Kondabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am and on our show, we're talking about health in a different way, like our episode where we look at diabetes in the United states. I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic. How preventable is type 2?

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Rob Parker]

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[Colin Cowherd]

This is an iHeart podcast.