THE HERD - Hour 3 - What to expect from Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers, hot NFL trade rumor about Micah Parsons, Greg Jennings

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 3

Episode Date: August 28, 2025
Main Theme:
Hour 3 of "The Herd" dives deep into key NFL storylines—expectations for Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers, a wild trade rumor involving Micah Parsons, the ongoing relevance of the Dallas Cowboys, and quarterback development in Chicago—plus a robust college football preview featuring expert panels.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Aaron Rodgers: “Most Annoying” Label & Steelers Outlook

Timestamps: 03:56–06:43

• Rodgers’ Perceived Annoyance:
  Greg Jennings responds to Aaron Rodgers topping a poll as the "most annoying player" in the NFL.

  • Jennings:

    “Anytime you’re in the media as much as he is, and your popularity is where his is and the expectations everywhere you go is to compete for a Super Bowl and that not happening ... you start to get a little annoyed with that.” [04:28]

  • Jennings highlights that such labels tend to follow players who don't win consistently, noting that stars like Mahomes and Kelce are also in the top three but escape the criticism because they're winning.

• Expectations for Rodgers with Pittsburgh:

  • Jennings is skeptical about Rodgers providing a big upgrade for the Steelers, noting recent performance decline.

    “He is a spectacular quarterback. … He’s not that version of Aaron Rodgers that we’ve seen in years past. Can he show flashes? Of course. But the level of consistency … we haven’t seen it.” [05:34]

  • He attributes Pittsburgh's slim margins of success in recent seasons more to the weakness of other AFC teams than Steelers’ strength.

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2. Micah Parsons-Packers Trade Rumor

Timestamps: 06:43–08:37

• Greg Jennings’ Take:

  • Dismisses the rumor as “fantasy world,” emphasizing the logistical and organizational implausibility:

    “This would be unreal … for the Green Bay Packers because they’ve struggled with getting after the quarterback … but when you have a name like Micah Parsons and you know what he can provide … until you start to talk about what you got to give up.” [07:13]

  • Cites Packers’ organizational history—never a team for blockbuster, “Herschel Walker package” trades:

    “That’s just out of character for them.” [08:13]

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3. Are the Dallas Cowboys Still Relevant?

Timestamps: 08:13–09:50

• Cowboys’ Perpetual Attention:

  • Jennings credits the Cowboys’ constant media spotlight to ownership and brand, not on-field achievement.

    “We’re going to be talking about the Dallas Cowboys because that’s how [Jerry Jones] has orchestrated this thing. So, are they relevant? Yeah, they are.” [08:37]

  • Stresses pressure on Dak Prescott to prove elite status regardless of any Parsons outcome:

    “Dak Prescott has his work cut out for him. Regardless of what takes place with Micah Parsons … Let’s see what you can do. Can you live up to this elite quarterback status that you are being paid to be?” [09:23]

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4. Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson & Chicago Bears Expectations

Timestamps: 15:15–20:17

• Williams’ Transition Issues:

  • Jennings cautions about Williams freelancing in college and the growing pains under new OC Ben Johnson:

    “The talent … it’s there. We know he possesses the skill set. … However … you can’t just go out there freelancing.” [15:52]

    • Ben Johnson wants Williams to master structure first before improvisation:

      “Until you get it, you can’t just go out there freelancing. … You can’t do those types of things.” [16:13]

  • Jennings gives an example of a botched play and coaching frustration: > “When you make mistakes like that, where it’s on your cadence to time up a guy that you put in motion … those are the types of plays that just stay with you as a coach and as players.” [17:31]

• Media/Fan Overreaction to Young QBs:

  • Jennings predicts that after Week 1, the loser of Bears-Vikings (Caleb Williams vs. JJ McCarthy) will be immediately questioned by media and fans:

    “We just saw Sam Darnold take this team, and nobody believed in Sam Darnold. … There’s going to be pressure for JJ McCarthy too … that if Sam did it, why can’t you do it?” [18:54]

    • He cautions that fan/media impatience is unrealistic compared to coaches' expectations.

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5. Travis Kelce, Distractions & Lions’ 2025 Prospects

Timestamps: 20:41–25:39

• Kelce’s Distractions & Focus:

  • Rachel Nichols highlights off-field noise (engagement to Taylor Swift, brand deals) and Kelce’s own acknowledgment to minimize distractions.

    • Rachel Nichols:

      “Are these distractions going to continue through the season or do you feel like … he knows he’s got to buckle down on football?” [21:45]

  • Panel agrees Kelce will focus once season starts, but notes added pressure due to Rashee Rice's suspension and uncertainty with Hollywood Brown.

  • Jennings jokes: > “Let’s get the engagement out of the way, the big podcast with the wife and the clothing line … Sundays I got to work.” [22:19, 22:24]

• Detroit Lions Losing Coordinators:

  • Discussion about whether loss of both coordinators will impact Lions’ 2025 season:

  “If you look at this list of teams that have had coordinators leave, it hasn’t gone great for them.” [23:47 - Rachel Nichols]

  • Both expect early-season hiccups but believe in Detroit’s talent and locker room culture to stabilize—media likely to overreact to any early loss.

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6. Caleb Williams: Mindset and Public Perception

Timestamps: 25:41–27:09

• Williams’ Return to Form:

  • Nichols notes Williams told media he’s “back to finding joy in his game” and being himself (e.g., painting his nails again).

    • Williams:

      “I’m just back to being myself. I’m being unapologetic about it. I’m not going to apologize for it. I’m going to be me.” [26:37]

  • Panel debates whether authenticity/attitude matters on the field, or if it’s just media noise. Some skepticism about translating it to wins:

    • Jennings:

      “I don’t know what that means … Bears fans think we’re hating. I don’t hate Caleb Woods. … I just don’t see a lot of positives right now, and that’s okay.” [27:09]

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7. College Football Preview with Anthony Herron

Timestamps: 32:06–43:22

• Ohio State vs. Texas, Spotlight on Arch Manning:

  • Herron sets up the matchup as a high-pressure test for both programs with new starters, but points out the increased media focus on personalities (Manning) over defending champs.

• Media’s Role in Storytelling:

  • Herron argues the NFL and CFB media drive narratives around celebrities and storylines (Mahomes, Kelce-Swift, Arch Manning) at the expense of more successful teams like the Eagles or Ohio State.

• Penn State and James Franklin:

  • Panel debates Franklin’s struggles vs. top teams (“1–16 against top 5,” notes Jennings), with Herron emphasizing year-to-year roster retention, improved offensive line, and elevated QB talent with Drew Allar.
    • Herron:

      “This has the potential to be the best unit on the offensive line that James Franklin has had at any point in over a decade … they’ve been amongst the elite in the country for a decade.” [38:00–42:05]

• Notre Dame–Miami, Carson Beck's Test:

  • Herron sets up the game as a low-scoring affair, focusing on Notre Dame’s tough defense as a test of Beck’s development and poise.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Rodgers’ Annoying Image:

  • Greg Jennings (on why Rodgers is labeled annoying):

    “Typically it’s because of ... how they portray themselves. And they’re probably not winning games. Not a lot of people are gonna say if you’re winning and having success that you are an annoying player.” [04:28]

• On Cowboys’ Perpetual Relevance:

  • Jennings:

    “We’re going to be talking about the Dallas Cowboys because that’s how [Jerry Jones] has orchestrated this thing.” [08:37]

• On QB Development and Media Overreaction:

  • Jennings (on rookie QBs):

    “Fan bases are a little more impatient and we in the media are even more impatient.” [19:46]

• On Lions’ Motivation:

  • Rachel Nichols:

    “[Amon-Ra St. Brown] told his former OC, quote, We are going to eff you up … I don’t think he just said F.” [22:54]

• On What Draws Media Attention:

  • Anthony Herron (on why Eagles get less attention):

    “It just kind of depends on which audience you’re trying to appeal to. The broader audience will come with some of the more charismatic personalities. But if you’re just talking ball, man. Yeah, the Eagles are where it’s at.” [36:34]

• On Penn State’s Realistic Yet High Expectations:

  • Herron:

    “Yes, expectations are high and they should be. But let’s not ignore the results that have been there. They’ve been amongst the elite in the country for a decade.” [42:00]

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Quick Reference: Important Segments

• [03:56–06:43]: Aaron Rodgers labeled “most annoying.” Steelers expectations.
• [06:43–08:37]: Micah Parsons trade rumor; Packers’ needs and tendencies.
• [08:13–09:50]: Are the Cowboys still relevant?
• [15:15–20:17]: Caleb Williams’ learning curve and Bears outlook.
• [20:41–25:39]: Kelce distractions, Lions after losing coaches.
• [25:41–27:09]: Caleb Williams’ mindset, “being himself.”
• [32:06–43:22]: College football preview (Ohio State–Texas, media narratives, Penn State, Notre Dame–Miami).

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Tone and Takeaways

• Direct, conversational, sometimes joking (especially with Greg Jennings/Rachel Nichols banter).
• Cautiously skeptical when discussing hype around players and teams (Rodgers, Lions, young QBs).
• Media as both amplifier and creator of NFL/CFB storylines—with panel self-aware about their role in driving narratives.
• Panelists praise work ethic/maturity (Kelce, Hurts), but don’t shy from critiquing hype and impatience among fans or media.

Overall Impression:
Hour 3 is a fun, brisk, and comprehensive breakdown of NFL and college football storylines, loaded with analysis that balances skepticism and insight, and framed by an affable, no-nonsense tone. Perfect for hardcore fans and media skeptics alike.

Transcript

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio back here on the Herd. Next guest is Greg Jennings, FOX Sports NFL analyst. He's over at First Things first today, actually after the show. He's also, you know, an all time great wide receiver for the Packers. He had a good run with the Vikings as well. He's a bodybuilder. Greg, how are we doing today, man?

I'm excellent.

You are?

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Anthony Herron]

How are we going?

[Greg Jennings]

Rachel? I haven't seen Rachel in a long time.

[Rachel Nichols]

I know.

[Anthony Herron]

Greg Jennings.

[Rachel Nichols]

How are you?

[Greg Jennings]

What's happening?

Rachel is very popular around here.

[Rachel Nichols]

You get out in the trenches with these guys. Jason, you got to come to more practices.

[Greg Jennings]

Absolutely.

[Rachel Nichols]

We sweat on those fields in Green Bay.

[Greg Jennings]

It's interesting, Greg, because last time you were on with me, it was like we ended on a sour note because I asked a question you didn't seem to love. Maybe you already forgotten it. You do a lot of interviews, you're famous. But I'm going to start here with a tough one. Your boy Aaron Rodgers was voted the most annoying player in the NFL according to a recent poll by I believe it was Action Network. Greg, I know you're tight with Rodgers. I'm sure you guys are texting about this. How is he holding up after being named the most annoying? First of all, do you agree with that sentiment? He has been a little annoying the last few years.

Well, I think, I think anytime you're in the media as much as he's in the media and your popularity is where his is and the expectations everywhere you go is to compete for a Super bowl and him giving you a chance and that not happening in the past few years. Yeah, you start to get a little annoyed with that and the excitement starts to dull in the locker room and around the league. But to say somebody is the most annoying, typically it's because of number one, how you feel about them, how they portray themselves. And they're probably not winning games. Not a lot of people are going to say if you are winning and having success that you are an annoying player.

It's interesting because Kelsey and Mahomes are 2 and 3 and they're winning a lot. Aaron Rodgers, not as much. By the way, have we talked about this? Do you think in Pittsburgh Rodgers is going to thrive and like make the playoffs? As you see the list there.

Look, I'm not sure if they're going to make the playoffs. I wasn't high on the Pittsburgh Steelers last year. Now, they surprised a lot of us and probably a lot of their fans based on what they had at the quarterback situation. I don't see Aaron Rodgers being an extreme upgrade. And I understand we fall in love with the resume. I play with the guy. He is a spectacular quarterback. He was a spectacular quarterback. He's not that version of Aaron Rodgers that we've seen in years past. Can he show flashes of that? Of course. But the level of consistency of having that be sustained, I just. We haven't seen it. We have not seen it since second to last year in Green Bay, where it's. Yeah, second to last year in Green Bay. So I'm not. I'm not picking the Pittsburgh Steelers to do anything this year. And it doesn't have a whole lot to do with Aaron Rodgers. It's just I've seen this team in years past just barely get by because of other teams in that AFC Conference not living up to what the expectations were for them.

Your packers made the news this week. Now listen, it's a little sus that this started from some random on social media, but the packers were then linked to Micah Parsons in a possible trade and Guda Kunst was asked about it and was like, I can't talk about. It's all very coy. I cannot envision a scenario where the Cowboys trade Micah to the packers or the packers being like, hey, we'll give Micah all the money after giving up draft picks to get him. I don't see it, but maybe I'm missing something. Where are you on this?

Look in a fantasy world and that's where we all try to like to live in our imagination sometimes. This would be unreal if this happens for the Green Bay packers because they've struggled with getting after the quarterback. Obviously. Rashan Gary and Luke Van Ness who they their main pass rushers are. Luke Van Ness has not lived up to the hype. Rashan Gary since the injury has been good. He hasn't been great. And just when you have, when you have a name like Michael Parsons and you know what he can provide and you have a defense that's really good and may have some troubles in the secondary, we will see that's pending. You need guys that can get after the quarterback. And so everyone in Green Bay would love this. Until you start to talk about what you got to give up to giving.

Yeah, there's no way there's a Herschel Walker package. That's just not. I don't think that's not what the.

Green Bay packers do.

Right. That's just out of character for them. I do have to ask, you know, about the Parsons stuff and I know a lot of the audience is like, why are you guys talking about Dallas? Because they haven't made a conference championship game since 1995. You might as well talk about the Saints or the Panthers. But I am curious, do you think that, you know, Dallas is kind of still an interesting team or like, are they relevant.

As a player, as a former player? There was always noise around and surrounding the Dallas Cowboys because of the star, because of the history and America's team and whatnot. But then you see them play and you're like, man, look, they're just like any other team. However, they have an owner that is locked, that draws attention, that is going to have us talking about this team for one reason or the other, whether they're having success on the field or whether they're making noise because of situations like contract disputes or what have you. We're going to be talking about the Dallas Cowboys because that's how he has orchestrated this thing. So are they relevant? Yeah, they are relevant and they're a team. Look, we look at the Cincinnati Bengals as a team that has a chance because they have a. A great elite quarterback and we call Joe Burrow an elite quarterback. Dak Prescott has his work cut out for him. Regardless of what takes place with Michael Parsons in that defense, Dak Prescott is healthy. You have added another receiver. Let's see what you can do. Can you live up to this elite quarterback status that you are being paid to be?

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[Greg Jennings]

Speaking of elite quarterbacks or wannabes, Caleb Williams in Chicago. I'm coming under fire right now, Greg, just because I had a take that like it doesn't seem like Caleb and Ben are on the same page. The messaging out of Chicago I don't think is great right now. We had Albert Breer echo some of that earlier. Where are you on this, this first year relationship? Remember, Caleb was basically freelancing his final year at usc, just doing whatever runaround guy. And he did a lot of the same from Chicago last year where he didn't get a lot of structure and he was running for his life, took 68 sacks. All of a sudden, is he, he's going to be a drop back passer like a Jared Goff? Is that what Ben wants? Do you think that's feasible?

Look, we had a chance to talk with Ben Johnson earlier this week and a lot of the questions were like, where is he From a maturity standpoint for me, because the talent, I believe we agree it's there. We know he possesses the skill set and the talent. However, the acumen, the understanding of what is being asked in certain situations and then once you get that down, okay, put your spin on it, spice it up a bit. But until you get it, you can't just go out there freelancing. And I think that's the messaging that Ben Johnson is trying to get across to his young quarterback. And he knows there's going to be growing pains, there's going to be moments that he does it and he executes it well and it looks great. And we're going to expect to see that moving forward the moment we see it because of the talent that we know he possesses. However, Ben Johnson is trying to be realistic in understanding he is a very young quarterback that probably didn't have this type of discipline structure around him last last season. And he understands that. And so Talked about the first play of the game, of their preseason game against Kansas City and the jets sweep, and that being on your quarterback and how frustrating it is as a play caller, offensive coordinator mind to see your quarterback not be able to time that up, knowing that's all on you. Those are the types of things that I feel like Ben Johnson is trying to suppress a little bit, because it's like we can't have those type of mistakes when we're trying to. To be a team that's competitive. We have all the weapons that we need. We're building all this stuff around you to support you. You can't do those types of things. There are certain mistakes that you can take. We can handle that. We can correct that. But when you make mistakes like that, where it's on your cadence to time up a guy that you put in motion, and we work this play all week and it's the first play of the game, those are the types of plays that just stay with you as a coach and as players. And you. You can't let that go.

Yeah. So you see on the screen, the Bears host the Vikings on Monday Night football in Week 1. That's J.J. mcCarthy in his first start with the Vikings versus Caleb Williams, who started last year and now has Ben Johnson. Listen, when you were playing in the NFL, Greg, I'm sure you would see the media overreact, and you guys in the locker room would laugh. Now you're on this side with the media, you know there's going to be a big overreaction to whoever loses this game. If J.J. mcCarthy flopped. Oh, he wasn't the guy. You know, they should have kept Arnold. If Caleb flopped, well, when's he getting benched for Tyson Bagen? I mean, honestly, we're probably headed there in Week one. Do you. Do you think that this is fair to the young quarterbacks?

It's where we are. Yeah, Jason, this is where we are. Number one, Caleb has come in with so much expectations surrounding him, and then to not deliver or to make it look like, man, did you see what he was able to do? Even though he had a really good rookie season, it was good based on rookies coming in and playing at the quarterback position. However, it wasn't Jaden Daniels, it wasn't C.J. stroud. We have this sense of always desiring to compare to what we last saw or what we're seeing in current moments. And for JJ, we just saw Sam Darnold take this team, and nobody believed in Sam Darnold. Nobody believed in Sam Darnold. And so for Sam Darnold to do what he was able to accomplish with that offensive unit, there's going to be pressure for JJ McCarthy too, in expectation that, you know what, if Sam did it, why can't you do it? You are a first round pick. We know that you won a national championship at the University of Michigan. You are supposed to come right in and keep it rolling. And that's just unrealistic. Both coaches understand that. But fan bases are a little more impatient and we in the media are even more impatient.

Greg Jennings, first things first, man. Greg, I'm so. It's good to know you as a human. You're a good dude. I like your analysis. Enjoy the NFL season, buddy.

Absolutely. You too. Take care, Rachel.

All right, the great Greg Jennings. Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news.

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No, no, no. Turn on the news.

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This is the herd line news.

[Rachel Nichols]

Greg Jennings, class act. That's all I gotta say. All right, let's talk a little Travis Kelce because as I mentioned in the last hour, his jersey sales have topped 200% since he and Taylor Swift announced their engagement. The song Swift put on the Instagram announcement called so High school that surged 400% in Spotify downloads. Meta said the post of their engagement has been reposted more than a million times, which is the most in the history of Instagram. That's not all. Yesterday, Kelsey announced a clothing line collab with American Eagle, and those clothes are already flying off the shelves. So, Jason, I wanted to get your take on this because we heard Kelsey say earlier this summer, too many distractions last season. Right. I'm cleaning up the distractions. And he put his money where his mouth is. At least he seemed to over the summer with the workouts. You've heard several of our guys have come on for interviews this week, say they've never seen him in such good shape in years, and he's clearly, you know, ready to go. So which side are you on? Are these distractions going to continue through the season or do you feel like when it's football time, he knows he's got to buckle down on football?

[Greg Jennings]

Yeah. I mean, as is usually the case, it's both. Right. He knows it's time to buckle down. Let's get this stuff out of the way. Let's get the engagement out of the way. The big podcast with the. With the wife and the clothing line. Is this the same one with the Sydney Sweeney recently did great jeans or is that different?

[Rachel Nichols]

It's a different. It's the same Company. But it's a different.

[Greg Jennings]

I don't even know the clothing brands. You know, I think it's going to be okay. I'm just. This Rasheed Rice suspension kind of twists things because now there's more pressure on Kelsey earlier.

[Rachel Nichols]

Exactly.

[Greg Jennings]

Because Hollywood Brown's still not a definite go.

[Rachel Nichols]

I can't believe you just said get the engagement out of the way. Yeah, let's get the wife. You, you must be such a romantic at home.

[Greg Jennings]

Well, listen, trust me, the wife is not happy during football season cuz I told her, listen, I. Sundays I'm, I, I got to work.

[Rachel Nichols]

Saturdays.

[Angela Rai]

Absolutely.

[Greg Jennings]

Saturdays. Well, you can watch the college on your phone.

[Honey German]

Yes.

[Greg Jennings]

But NFL, you got. I, I need multiple televisions. Red zone fantasy gambling. Like it's, it's a scene and I'm ordering food every Sunday. It's, it's.

[Rachel Nichols]

So you're going to be buckled down, not distracted during football season. And I'm of the opinion. Kelse, I think there's. It's not a coincidence this is all happening in this dead week before the season.

[Greg Jennings]

I would agree with you.

[Rachel Nichols]

Yeah, we'll see. Let's talk little Lions, right? They lost offensive coordinator Ben Johnson. We've just been talking about him in Chicago. Defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn to the Jets. Now, some people have been doubting if they'll have that same level of success, but the guys over in Detroit say they are motivated by all this talk. Wide receiver Aman Ray St. Aman Ross St. Brown said they are looking forward to seeing Ben. Right. Twice a year. And he actually told his former OC quote, we are going to eff you up. And I don't think he just said F. That's just me reading into it. But I believe he said more than one letter. That's just my guess anyway. Do you feel that this is going to motivate them or. If you look at this list of teams that have had coordinators leave, it hasn't gone great for them. So which way do you think it's going to go? These are teams that lost both their OC and their DC in the previous season.

[Greg Jennings]

Oh my.

[Rachel Nichols]

You had one AFC championship appearance from the Chargers, but otherwise you're talking about wildcard losses.

[Greg Jennings]

Yeah, that's not great. It's. You know, I remember I asked Greg, hey, Whoever loses between McCarthy and Caleb, it's going to be open season on the loser. Well, that Lions, packers game. If the Lions lose that. See everything everybody said all summer, they didn't look crisp, not buttoned up. You know, they give up 34 points and they lose. And it's like the Lions are headed toward disaster. We will try not to overreact, but it's tough not to. Right? I mean, you've been doing this long enough. You know there's going to be overreaction.

[Rachel Nichols]

Of course. I mean, everything with the NFL is like that. And that's good for the league in general. Right. I think that in the first month of the season, you will see a different Lions team than you will for the rest of the season. I think that it will take real game, live games, real decisions, real in the moment things for everyone to get on the same page for guys to start trusting the coordinators they did with their own guys. Right. That's a relationship they're requires sort of having been. Been down there and doing it together. But I think that comes. I think it comes pretty quickly in the NFL because you're in a lot of those situations right away. So I wouldn't be surprised if we see a little disorganization or a little bit of, you know, not being on the same page in the first month. And then I think this is too good a team to fall apart because they lost a couple guys.

[Greg Jennings]

I do like that this, this motivated you see on the screen. And let's say they're seven and two out of the gate. Rachel.

[Rachel Nichols]

Yeah.

[Greg Jennings]

And my favorite is when then they'll take online your take on them from the summer. Be like, see, this guy was way wrong. We used it as motivation. Rachel. I'm happy to help and motivate these guys.

[Rachel Nichols]

You're doing a service, Jason.

[Greg Jennings]

Exactly. That's so kind of, hey, I don't think much of the Lions. I don't think they're going to the playoffs. Use that as bulletin board material. Call me out in November. I'm happy to help. Is that fair?

[Rachel Nichols]

Hey, we'll play this clip in November.

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[Rachel Nichols]

I'll text Colin and tell him, play this in November. Let's talk about Chicago. You were just talking to Greg a little bit about Caleb, Blake Williams and the Bears. Look, there's been plenty of conversations about problems he may be having, but Caleb himself recently told the media he is back to finding joy in his game. In fact, he said one of the ways you can tell is that he's painting his nails again, J. Mac. And that his body language has been different. And in fact, that's something that came a little bit from Ben Johnson, that they sat down and looked at tape right when Johnson got there. And one of the big things Was, you've got to show confidence. You've got to just, you know, the body language, the parts of your personality that are you. You can't just slump and lose all of that. So Caleb said, quote, I'm just back to being myself. I'm being unapologetic about it. I'm not going to apologize for it. I'm going to be me. Do you buy all of this? Do you think that makes a difference on the field? Do you like seeing this parts of his personality? Or are you one of these? Buckle down and play football, young man.

[Greg Jennings]

What is. Back to myself. What is. I don't know what that means.

[Rachel Nichols]

That he felt he was filling a role and not being put in a position to be who he wanted to be out there. I mean, there's certainly, you know, this idea in sports and we've seen it over and over again and in life basically of I tried to conform, I tried to do what I was supposed to do. But, you know, being 80% of someone else is not as good as being 100% of me. Right. We've heard that expression.

[Greg Jennings]

Yeah.

[Rachel Nichols]

So I think that's the idea of what he's trying to say, but just with a lot of, I'm not apologizing. I'm unapologetic, all of that.

[Greg Jennings]

I know the Bears fans think we're hating specifically me. I don't. I don't hate Caleb Woods. I like him. I'm rooting for him. I just don't see a lot of positives right now, and that's okay, but I know that doesn't translate well on the Internet for the Jabronis. Rachel with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. All right, coming up next, we're going to big den country. Ohio State, Texas. We can't get enough of that. That's next.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Buzz Knight]

I'm Buzz Knight, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast. And join me for an upcoming episode with Seth MacFarlane, the creator of Family Guy, talking about his his new Frank Sinatra music project.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Anyone who loves music would salivate over something like this. The biggest question for us was, what's in these boxes? There were a few unplayed gems that we had been alerted to by Charlie Pinion of Sinatra Enterprises. So we knew that certain songs like Shadow of your smile, which actually is not on this record, it'll be on the next one. Seth McFarland, Don Rickles went up to Frank Sinatra. He said, listen, I'm gonna be having dinner with this lovely woman and I, you know, would you come over and say hi? And just so you know. Cause I feel like if she sees that I know you, it's gonna make me look really cool and, you know, I might have a good night. During the middle of dinner, Frank walks over and says, don, hi, how are you? And Don goes, frank, please, I'm in the middle of dinner.

[Buzz Knight]

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[Greg Jennings]

Who cares about truth when the lies more entertaining.

[Angela Rai]

Hey everybody, I'm Angela Rai, co host of Native Lamp with T. Cross and Andrew Gillum. Through the lens of politics and culture, we talk with you every week to make sense of this madness. I've been telling Angela, I don't even know how to fight back right now. So what I'm focused on is just looking out for ourselves.

[Anthony Herron]

That's the truth.

[Greg Jennings]

We're having the same debates that American households are having all over the country.

[Angela Rai]

Rest is certainly a form of self care, but if you are watching your full neighbors starve, not be able to pay bills, your rest is selfish. But the thing is, Angela, this is not the mess we created. So I do understand black folks feeling like, you know what, y' all got it.

[Greg Jennings]

We're like family. But we disagree all the time. And we love when our listeners chime.

[Angela Rai]

In what would happen if we built our own little Wakandan communities in the rural South.

[Seth MacFarlane]

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[Anthony Herron]

I don't know what you're on.

[Angela Rai]

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[Greg Jennings]

Listen to Nativeland Pod on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome home.

[Colin Cowherd]

Welcome home, y'.

[Greg Jennings]

All.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm Dan. He's Ty.

[Greg Jennings]

Hello.

[Colin Cowherd]

And we're the Solid Verbal College football podcast. College football season is here. And you know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times, probably before Halloween.

[Greg Jennings]

Uh huh.

[Colin Cowherd]

But fear not, the Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback. Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the rollercoaster of this ridiculous sport. Whether you're a diehard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it. Listen to the Solid Verbal college football podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Greg Jennings]

The show is just flying by as we head into the final 20 minutes. Let's bring in a guest from Big Ten country, Anthony Herron, college football analyst at the Big Ten Network. He's got Wisconsin in action tonight. I mean, Anthony, it feels kind of like Christmas, right? I know week zero was a soft launch for college football, but I know you're excited for this weekend starting tonight.

[Anthony Herron]

Yeah, man. Cannot wait. And the. The idea that at Camp Randall Stadium going into year three for Luke Fickle and all the implications of what a program like Wisconsin have in store for that. But then, of course, not the biggest game of the weekend in college football. But yeah, I got a game tonight. I'm at Purdue on Saturday. I'm rocking and rolling, man. It's college football season.

[Greg Jennings]

She's pert. Purdue. Per. I call him Per. Don't. But don't tell him I said that. Listen, man, we got to start with the big. We got to start with the big matchup. Ohio State hosting Texas. Everybody wants to weigh in on Arch Manning and. And his kind of real debut. I know he started a couple games last year against some, you know, lesser foes. This is a tall order for him to go into Ohio State against the defending champs.

[Anthony Herron]

No, definitely. Really, when you look at both lineups, there's a lot of new personnel for each of these teams that they have to deal with. And just getting to talk to Ryan Day a couple of weeks ago, he's, he seems excited about that. He's kind of using that, that as an additional way to invigorate him coming off of the national championship. And he even mentioned it shortly after the season last year that yeah, it's great and there is some exhale, some relief. He did the rubber chicken circuit for a little while on various shows. But, oh, let's go into that opener and see how things go if we're not playing well against Texas and then the pressure will be right back on. That's just the pressure cooker that it is when you're the coach in Columbus. But both these teams of course have their first time starter at quarterback, you know, being the full time starter for either of them. And it's odd because Arch Manning, even though he's still really young and to your point, we haven't seen him start a full season for Texas yet, but he is the more experienced between the two. I do feel more certain about what Julian saying in Ohio State will have available in playmakers in O line. The continuity there with the play callers and Ryan Dan has just sort of matured this program with this combination of finesse and physicality that wasn't always there, there. And I can't imagine a player to be able to handle the pressure, the scrutiny that Arch Manning is under, better than a young quarterback has through a couple of seasons of sparingly playing major college football. So he seems ready for it as a personality and with his maturity, I'm just not certain his game is there yet to just sort of anoint him as the number one pick in this coming draft. I gotta watch that play out first.

[Greg Jennings]

I totally agree. Um, it's interesting, obviously your bio. You played high level college football, you were in the NFL, now you're on the other side doing the media stuff. Is it fair or unfair that in the NFL the Eagles are the defending champs, but all we hear about is Travis Kelce, Patrick Mahomes, Dallas Cowboys, blah, blah, blah. And in college football it's the Arch Manning story. We're not even talking really about the Eagles or we're not talking about Ohio State, the defending championship. But do we need to do better in the media mixing it up or what's your take on that?

[Anthony Herron]

100%. And, you know, I suppose to some extent we're all. At least many of us are guilty of it, but especially when you're talking about the National Football League and the Eagles, even though Jalen Hurts is not some magnetic personality. He's not a guy who you see all over social media, being out in the club or anything else. But. But he is a guy that carries himself with this maturity, both mentally and emotionally. And we saw that play out in college. That seems to be what wins in the NFL. Of course, Patrick Mahomes, he can have a circus going in his family sometimes, and that tends to be a little more interesting than when you got one of the great tight ends of all time dating one of the most famous women on the planet. Now engaged to one of the most famous women on the planet. That's going to include a lot more folks into that conversation. But if you just want to talk ball, how can you not be passionate talking about the Eagles and what they do on the line of scrimmage? I mean, that, to me, it just kind of depends on which audience you're trying to appeal to. The broader audience will come with some of the more charismatic personalities. But if you're just talking ball, man. Yeah, the Eagles are. Where is that?

[Greg Jennings]

Yeah. You know, let me quickly ask about Penn State. They're almost kind of written off as, like, the team that cried wolf every year. It's Penn State. They're close. They got it. And then James Franklin drops the bag in a big game. It feels like, hey, this is probably the year Allah returns. They got a great backfield, you know, preseason top five. But it. It really comes down to can James Franklin win a big game? Because I'm not bashing the guy. The reality is he has struggled against elite competition.

[Anthony Herron]

It's. It's fair when you look at the record, there's no doubt about that. But what he's done extremely well at as elite a level as any program in the country. Penn State doesn't lose those question mark games to teams who shouldn't beat them. There's a skill in that. There's a preparedness that goes into that as well. And I mean, like years ago, one of the first appearances I had with Colin on this show, back in the day, I wasn't a believer in James Franklin and Penn State. When they were going into a game against Jim Harbaugh in Michigan and they had Saquon Barkley and weapons all over the place and a fantastic defense, I just thought Michigan was going to show up at Beaver Stadium and punch him in the mouth. No, it didn't happen that week. They blew Michigan out and Penn State fans are all in my benches and everywhere else they did a couple of weeks ago falter from that point. But my point is, I do believe this version of Penn State, especially after what we saw last season, if you want to say, being an eyelash away for an appearance in a national championship game, he didn't win any big games on the way there. I'm going to disagree with you on that, Jay, but. But what we saw now is a very similar model from this past offseason to what Michigan won the national championship with two years ago and what Ohio State won the national championship with last year. Roster retention, especially on the line of scrimmage. This has the potential to be the best unit on the offensive line that James Franklin has had at any point in over a decade that he's been leading things for Penn State. And Drew Aller, he is one of the more physically gifted quarterbacks that's going to come into this draft cyc. And now he's got back to back years with Andy Kotelniki as his offensive coordinator. That should be extremely exciting to every Penn State fan out there and frankly, kind of scary to the majority of college football because the size, the mobility, the arm strength you're looking for. Drew Allen would have been a first round pick in this last draft cycle if he decided to go out. He didn't. He came back to continue to mature his skills for another season and they finally got him some playmakers on the outside. So all that man coverage that Notre Dame was locking down folks with all last than they effectively did against Penn State. It'll be a tougher task for anyone wanting to man up on the Nittany Lions this year.

[Greg Jennings]

I mean, it just feels like the last time we saw Aller throw a pass, it was that disaster against the Irish. Like, what are you doing, kid?

[Anthony Herron]

And listen, this was his worst pass.

[Greg Jennings]

I, I don't want to come off like I'm bashing Franklin, but you know, I. What was it? Jerry west was like one and eight in the NBA Finals or something like that, maybe one in nine. But Franklin, it's not just always strong. Struggled one in 16 against top five. I mean, Anthony, that's like, you can't argue like, well, this was in the rain and this was a missed field goal. And yeah, 1 in 16 is kind of like, oh, that's a problem, right?

[Anthony Herron]

And it was a problem for Dabo until he broke through and got it done at Clemson and Mark Richt had an amazing run going in Georgia. And then they just said, well, this isn't good enough. And now, you know, we see what's able to happen with Kirby Smart. But to be Amongst the top 10 programs every single year now over the last couple of years amongst the top five programs in college football, there's certainly something to be said for that. And what really I was impressed by the way that James Franklin and Drew Aller and the folks who came to Las Vegas for Big Ten football media days, I was interviewing all of them for Big Ten radio with Sirius XM and sitting down with James Franklin. He did not shirk the responsibility of leading Nittany Lions football and certainly didn't shirk the expectations of Penn State fans. And I'm sure you've seen the clips on occasion, whether it's the spring game or regular season game last season with Penn State's coming out with a victory. And there'd be some fan in the stands wanting to say something to James Franklin. He knows what the expectations are for his role, while he's also realistic about what's been accomplished during his time there. And you know, there's very few programs who win at the level that Penn State does, but that's why the expectations are so high. It's a part of where, you know, the game I'm calling tonight the Wisconsin game. Luke Fickle, Matt Rule, both going into Year three. There's a different feel from each fan base, though, more positivity about where Nebraska is because they know they've got a young budding star as a quarterback. There are more questions about where Wisconsin sits along those lines. So it hasn't necessarily eased the bellies of Wisconsin fans so much. So Billy Edwards taking the field tonight at Camp Randall for the first time in the transfer portal, that's going to be a big part of whether or not Wisconsin fans are going to love that. But having Drew Aller for a third year as a starter and the receivers like Trevor Pena and Kyron Hudson that they brought in with Penn State and they're still going to be deep at tight end, by the way. And so much NFL talent returns on defense, it doesn't even have to all be on the shoulders of Drew Aller to be a similar team to what they were last year. But this should be the best version we've ever seen of him as well. So yes, expectations are high and they should be, but let's not ignore the results that have been there They've been amongst the elite in the country for a decade.

[Greg Jennings]

All right, Anthony, we got about a minute left. Miami, Notre Dame, historically a great battle. All eyes on Carson Beck against the defensive guru Marcus Freeman of Notre Dame. Your quick thoughts on that game?

[Anthony Herron]

Well, Carson Beck, like I mentioned, you know a guy who had potential to go to the NFL. Of course, a year ago, Carson Beck was the presumed number one pick in that next draft cycle. And then 2024 happened. So now he's got a fresh start, he's got a new opportunity he here. And for what happens with man coverage, Notre Dame on the back end, they're going to be salty in the secondary yet again. The approach that Marcus Freeman takes there to just man everyone up across the board, there's going to be opportunities for Carson Beck to show development because throwing into tight windows or even extending the play when it's necessary, those haven't been his strengths to perform in that way consistently during his previous stops. Now we'll see whether or not not only only his approach has matured, but has his game matured as a quarterback because he's going to be tested by Notre Dame. So with Mario Cristobal, he doesn't mind the game coming down to cold crest depth late. So I do think that this is going to be a low scoring affair. And whichever squad, whether it's the young quarterback for the Irish or the experienced guy in Carson Beck, kind of make that key play late, we'll decide it.

[Greg Jennings]

All right, Anthony Heron, Big Ten Network. Great stuff. Good luck tonight with the Wisconsin game. We'll talk to you soon, buddy.

[Anthony Herron]

Thanks, sir.

[Greg Jennings]

All right, great stuff from Anthony Heron. Listen, it's a college football weekend. Your last respite before the NFL consumes your life for three plus months. Back in a minute.

[Buzz Knight]

Hi, I'm Buzz Knight, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast. And join me for an upcoming episode with Seth McFarland, the creator of Family Guy, talking about his new Frankson Sinatra music project.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Anyone who loves music would salivate over something like this. The biggest question for us was, what's in these boxes? Really, the most thrilling part was hiring an orchestra and just playing what was in these boxes.

[Buzz Knight]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Greg Jennings]

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