THE W.A.D.E. Concept - WEEK IN REVIEW - ANDREW TATE ON MISFITS AND USYK DUCKING ITUAMA?!?

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Podcast Summary: THE W.A.D.E. Concept - WEEK IN REVIEW

Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd | iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Episode Date: October 19, 2025
Topic: Andrew Tate’s Rumored Misfits Boxing Debut & Oleksandr Usyk’s Comments on Moses Ituma

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Overview

This electric episode of THE W.A.D.E. Concept dives deep into two hot-button stories in boxing: the bombshell report that controversial internet personality and ex-kickboxing champ Andrew Tate is coming out of retirement to headline a Misfits Boxing event against Chase DeMoor, and heavyweight king Oleksandr Usyk’s candid admission he won’t ever fight rising prospect Moses Ituma. Host Wade maintains a conversational, free-wheeling style, dissecting rumors, potential fight cards, and the state of heavyweight boxing, while weighing the implications for fans and the sport at large.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Andrew Tate Reportedly Returning for Misfits Boxing (00:00–24:00)

• Breaking Rumor:

  • Reported by The Mirror and amplified by Misfits insiders—Andrew Tate is set to fight Chase DeMoor in Dubai (Coca Cola Arena) on December 20th, headlining Misfits 23.
  • The event is tentatively titled “The Fight Before Christmas.”
  • Mams Taylor cryptically tweeted “Keep December 20th free whatever you do. The Fight Before Christmas.”
  • Neither Tate nor DeMoor have confirmed, but DeMoor joked, “This is the first time I’m hearing about this, definitely Cap, but I’ll take a payday.”

• Tate’s Reputation & Draw:

  • Tate, age 38, is “one of the biggest worldwide names on the planet” and a former four-time kickboxing world champion.
  • His involvement would bring “a lot of eyeballs” to Misfits and is described as a “huge, huge landing for Misfits.”
  • Quote:

    “Most people are either on one side or the other: when they think Andrew Tate is a piece of shit, or Andrew Tate is an oracle of wisdom… But as a kickboxer, and as a person, he is a global phenomenon and his name attached to Misfits brings a lot of eyeballs.” (10:00)

• Strategic Implications:

  • For DeMoor: A shot to become a star if he wins; he holds the Misfits heavyweight title and has fought five times in the last year.
  • For Tate: Sets up huge crossover and influencer boxing match-ups, maybe more fights with the promotion.
  • Host’s Take: “If this is going down, it would only be right if I was there again.”

• Stacked Potential Card:

  • Rumors that Darren Till (another high-profile MMA-to-boxing star) will be co-main eventing (opponent possibly Alexander Gustafsson, Mike Perry, or Jorge Masvidal).
  • Hints at Tony Ferguson vs. AnEsonGib or even Amir Khan joining the undercard.
  • Possible marquee lineup:
    • Andrew Tate vs. Chase DeMoor
    • Darren Till vs. (Mike Perry, Jorge Masvidal, or Alex Gustafsson)
    • Tony Ferguson vs. AnEsonGib (or Amir Khan)
    • Dean the Great vs. Lil Cray Cray
    • “This is a pretty fucking stacked Misfits card. The best one top to bottom since the Prime card, at least as far as name value.” (19:45)

• Host’s Position:

  • Admits much is “all alleged, all rumor” and encourages fans to let “Mams Taylor cook.”
  • Sees Misfits as “leaning further and further into unique and different” in boxing.
  • Final word:

    “If Andrew Tate’s at the top of it… that usually means like a Conor McGregor effect. All the big names want to come up and fight on that card because 1) the pay is going to be higher, 2) the eyes are going to be there, 3) the matchups are more intriguing.” (21:50)

Notable Quotes

• “Andrew Tate potentially, at age… 38, coming out of retirement to fight on a Dubai card… I can’t even believe I just said that.” (03:00)
• “You bring Andrew Tate in… you have one of the biggest names in the world on your boxing promotion, potentially for more fights down the line.” (09:30)

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Oleksandr Usyk Publicly Dismisses a Bout with Moses Ituma (24:00–40:00)

• Usyk’s Statement:

  • Usyk, the current undisputed world heavyweight champion, says:

    “‘No, I won’t fight Ituma. He’s young, always teasing me, and he said himself he doesn’t hit grandpas. I’ll fight until I’m 41, then I’ll build a sports academy and train others.’” (Ring Magazine/29:16)

  • Wade is surprised and disappointed: “He just said something that I can’t believe he said.”
  • Notes Usyk’s legacy as a guy who “has fought tooth and nail to get to heavyweight,” and “given the rematches, won those fights.”

• Analysis & Criticism:

  • The host clarifies: Ituma does not deserve an Usyk fight “right now,” but could easily be a top contender by the time Usyk is near retirement.
  • Wade finds it concerning Usyk would “single out one fighter in the heavyweight division that he will not fight.”
  • Quote:

    “It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It makes me think of the problems of boxing for as long as it’s had…the problems of fighters not fighting the best at the time they are the best.” (33:15)

  • Suggests Usyk may feel threatened by Ituma’s youth, skillset, and potential: “If you’re Usyk, you want no part of Ituma, which tells me that’s the one guy he’s not confident in beating.”
  • Compares to MMA, where champions sometimes retire before the next generation’s star arrives.

• Community Reactions:

  • The host says Twitter is split, with some agreeing Usyk has “earned the right” to pick his fights, but he personally finds this a “super, super lame” move for a dominant champion.
  • Leaves room for out-of-context misquotes, but doubles down on skepticism.
  • Closing challenge:

    “Does this not rub anybody else the wrong way? …That’s probably better than everyone else. I don’t want any part of him. No shot.” (39:15)

Notable Quotes

• “For a champion, sitting champion, undisputed, to sit there and go, ‘Yeah, I’m gonna fight for a couple more years… but not that guy,’ that… just rubbed me the wrong way.” (34:50)
• “Usyk’s kind of playing that middle ground where he’ll fight other guys, but… those guys more deserving right now, that’s fine. Fight your Joseph Parkers, fight your Kabiels. I’m fine with that. But don’t automatically dismiss a potential fight with one of the bigger names and one of the most talented heavyweight boxers I’ve seen in a while coming up.” (34:05)

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Memorable Moments & Additional Tidbits

• On Misfits Boxing’s Approach:
  • “They operate in a space outside of the conventional boxing circle and they do so by getting names like Andrew Tate. Whether you like him or not. …It is unique and it is different and I like that they’re leaning further and further into unique and different.” (20:30)
• Regarding Event Leaks:
  • “If this got leaked and this report ends up being true… who cares because this would be fucking insane. I’m down for it.” (22:10)
• Fan Engagement:
  • Asks listeners their feelings on Tate’s inclusion and the rumored mega-card: “Are you pumped? Frustrated? Confused? Excited?” (23:10)
  • Invites feedback on Usyk’s stance: “You guys let me know what you think. What in the world is this statement? Am I taking this too out of context?” (39:30)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Andrew Tate Misfits Rumor Breakdown – 02:27 to 24:00
• Potential Misfits Card – Names & Implications – 16:30 to 24:00
• Usyk on Moses Ituma / Champion’s Legacy – 25:57 to 39:30
• Host’s Reaction & Community Response – 34:00 to 40:00

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Takeaway

This episode underscores the wild, rumor-driven world of crossover boxing and the shifting tectonics of the heavyweight division. Whether Andrew Tate’s return actually materializes or Usyk stands by his Ituma snub, THE W.A.D.E. Concept peels back the curtain on sports narratives that both thrill and frustrate fans—and does so with signature honest, comedic, and sometimes blunt commentary.

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Transcript

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Fans deserve to know something though. This isn't necessarily confirmation that this is the fight that's going to happen between Chase Damore and Andrew Tate. But where there's smoke, there's fire. And guys, I, I don't know a single thing about anything. I am reporting just based on what I'm seeing, just like you guys are. But Andrew Tate potentially at age how old is Andrew tate at age 38. Rumored to be reported to be coming out of retirement to fight on a Dubai card, Misfits Dubai card right at the end of the year, Christmas time period in the same arena, the Coca Cola arena where Deji fought Mayweather. I commentated that fight. I was there that night. If this is going down, I'm just saying it would only be right if I was there again. But before we do, quick break to talk about today's sponsor of the video, First Form. That's right, guys. First Phorm is my go to for any supplementation I use during my workouts, during my recovery from my workouts and just during my daily life. 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And now let's get back into the breakdown. There's a lot to speculate on here. Number one, the opponent is supposedly Chase d', Amore, which would mean that this is going to be contested in the heavyweight division. And Chase, you know the goat of misfits, right? He's, he's been a reliable guy for miss. I love this for Chase. Chase gets a massive opportunity versus a massive name. One of the biggest worldwide names on the planet. And Andrew Tate, that's, that's someone damn near everybody knows of, at least the name itself. And if you guys didn't know, Andrew Tate did have a, an extensive kickboxing career. I don't know if it was the highest level of K1 or Glory, but he was a long tenured kickboxer that did have a pretty decent record and won some regional belts or maybe even some world title belts. I'm not exactly sure the level, but I've seen him on tape. He looks fucking good. He looks better than anyone Chase has ever fought, I'll tell you that right now. And that was in kickboxing. And I've seen him do some sparring stuff, boxing since then. And we can take a look at all of that stuff if this report ends up being true. So let's, let's get to it really quickly. Exclusive Andrew Tate set to fight Chase Damore on Misfits boxing debut Tate was a world champion in kickboxing before emerging as one of the most controversial influencers on social media. And mirror fighting understands that he will take on actor turned boxer Demore in Dubai on December 20 as a headline act for Misfits 23. Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't make sense to bring Andrew Tate in, who, yes, is massively controversial. Controversial. Most people are either on one side or the other when they think Andrew Tate is a piece of shit or Andrew Tate is an oracle of wisdom, or however you want to look at him. He's helping young men, he's hurting young men. I don't personally have enough information to speak knowledgeably about Andrew Tate the person, but I know as a kickboxer and as a person, he is a global phenomenon and his name attached to Misfits brings a lot of eyeballs. You can't deny that in any way, shape or form. So, of course this had to be a main event if you're going to do an. On an event like this. This would be a huge, huge landing for Misfits. I don't even want to venture what they had to pay him to essentially, if this is true, come in and do this, I have no idea, but I think it's a bit of a strategic move because one, you have Chase d', Amore, who they have been trying to promote for a while now and been someone that's been a very loyal heavyweight to Misfits and let's say Chase somehow wins. You've created somewhat of a star kind of with Chase moving forward in your division and having him on Misfits. Or you bring Andrew Tate in and Andrew Tate beats Chase d' Am and all of a sudden you have one of the biggest names in the world on your boxing promotion, potentially for more fights down the line. Anyway, let's. Let's keep going. Demore holds the Misfits heavyweight title and has already fought five times this year, most recently drawing against Efrain Carranza Gonzalez last month. I think that was in some. Somewhere outside of Misfits. Chase does these fights where he goes and just. Just goes and fights a guy. I don't know where he does them. I'm maybe down in Mexico, I'm not sure. But they're not sanctioned by Misfits or any sanctioning body that Misfits is associated with. But he's still getting experience in five fights in one year. You have to come in. It is understood that the final Misfits card of the year will also feature. Hold on, Darren Till, who has Also long been linked with his own fight against Tate. Okay, this is interesting. If Andrew Tate is in the main event, which makes sense, and Darren Till is not fighting Andrew Tate again, this is all being reported by the Mirror. I have no idea who is Darren Till fighting? If this is all lining up this way because you're surely you don't put Darren Till against Carl Froch in the co main. Not the Cobra. No way, no Shay, no how. Plus you'd want to do that one in the uk, I would think. I don't know. I mean again, you look back at Misfits cards and especially the prime card, and they did have Logan, Paul, Dillon, Danis in the co main event under KSI Tommy Fury. That was essentially a card that could have had a couple different main events. But if you're bringing Darren Till in for this one, who has been their main event guy? The Darren Stewart fight, the Anthony Taylor fight, the Luke Rock old fight, big time main events for misfits. If you're bringing him in again and sticking him in the co main, who in the world would that be against? The Mike Perry name comes to mind. He just had a big time win on bkfc. Sure. Jorge Masvidal. Darren Till I'm sure would love to get that fight back after being knocked out in the UFC by Jorge, but I don't know if Jorge is even in shape or if he's trained. I have no idea. But do you guys remember back like, I don't know, a month ago, sometime around then, something called Front Kick online? I don't know if this is a legit outlet or not, but they came out with an exclusive that said UFC hall of Famer in three time title contender Alexander Gustafson turns to boxing. Quote the Mahler is currently in advanced talks with Misfits boxing to face a fellow UFC veteran in the boxing ring, does that not sound just like a potential opponent for Darren Till? I mean, who else would be a UFC veteran that they would want to have in that position? Now the size difference between those two would be crazy. And if Gustafson could get back down to like two under £200, then I'm down for it. But Gustafson was a big light heavyweight. He was 6 4, cutting weight to make 205. So I don't know if he could do it, but if he could, we just saw Darren Till take down another tall former middleweight move to light heavyweight in Luke Rockhold. Now this would be a far bigger test from the Mauler, but still, that would be an Insane fight Till vs Gustafson boxing as a co main to Andrew Tate. That would be huge. And again it sets up that potential for a Tate Darren Till fight down the line or Darren Till Carl Frocs or whatever you want to do but there's that and then also I didn't talk about this but Leo, you can find the footage Dylan Danis was on Demetrius Johnson's podcast Gain Super Flings are here to take your laundry to the next level. Talking about Gain Super Flings super sized laundry packs. These things are huge. 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I don't know who it could be, but this could all be happening on the same card, folks, and that's fucking insane. Who else is going to be? I mean, Dean the Great is talking about fighters leaking this and that. He's probably going to be on the car. This thing is getting stacked, son. Tate was a four time world champion in kickboxing, winning his last title years ago. He retired with a record of 76 and 9, winning 32 of his fights by knockout before retiring following his final fight in 2020. No More has won eight of his 14 boxing fights and is undefeated in the last two years. His clash with Tate is set to take place. The Coca Cola arena also hosted Floyd Mayweather's exhibition with Deji in 2022. Okay, and hold on a second. I didn't see this tweet a second ago. I'm not going to say this is Mam Taylor confirming it because I can't say that, but this is him confirming it without confirming it. Ma' am says if you're looking to watch woke content, watch the Snow White remake or something. Idk with the hands out. This has to be referring to Andrew Tate because he is so controversial. Because he is, let's be honest, if we're going political here, he is hated by the left leaning political spectrum for allegations of crimes that he has committed. And we don't know what the truth is there or if he's going to be convicted of those things. But as of right now, they're just allegations. And I think he's continuing to fight those allegations. But that to me seems like a soft commitment to saying, yeah, we're having Andrew hate fight. So with that being said, I'm going to go ahead and, you know, go out on a limb and say this is actually happening. It may not be. I mean, I think it's going to be against Chase d'. Amore. Chase doesn't even know, apparently, as he tweeted this. This is the first time I'm hearing about this, definitely Cap, but I'll take a payday. So who knows what's actually happening? I've seen Chase pull stuff like this before though, not to like ruin the gag here, if that's what's going on, but I've seen him do this and then it ended up being true. And then you had this interesting Instagram post from Misfits today, which I don't know if it has anything to do with anything, but when you're hearing the names on this December card and you're seeing Andrew Tate, Darren Till, potentially, I'm. I have no idea, but potentially Dean the Great. And now a tweet, or not a tweet and an Instagram post from Misfits 9 hours ago About a Nissan Gib. Let's take a look at this for our top three fighters we'd love to see Gibb face. We're going to start off with Tony Ferguson. I think that unification fight is something that. Hold on a second. Are you telling me we might potentially get an Isan Gibb Tony Ferguson on this card as well? I'm not saying that's what they're leaning at here or even what they're hinting at, but it would make sense. You wouldn't have to put Gib or Tony in a compromising main event spot in a place in Dubai where we don't know how they would do. There's still massive names. There would be the Misfits belts on the line and you have a legend in Tony Ferguson that had one of the biggest impacts potentially you could have coming into Misfits beating Salt Poppy, people Going absolutely nuts. I was going nuts on commentary. And now the guy that Salt Poppy potentially was gonna fight Gib or whoever else, maybe Slim in a rematch. Tony beats him. Now Tony gets Gibb after Gibb beats Slim and the guitar card, where I came out with the mask on and was out here ready to go. Potential card. Potential potential misfits December card. Main event. Andrew Tate versus Chase Timour. Then we have our co main. Darren Till versus question Mark. Mike Perry. Jorge, we don't know. Tony Ferguson versus An Isan. Gabe Dean the Great versus Lil Kray. Kray. All right, so let's just say, and I'm grasping at straws here, I have no idea if this would be a potential layout of the card, but if you had something like this, I forgot about this. But let's just say even Dylan. Dylan Danis is available, right? Yeah. Misfits mma. Dylan Danis versus whoever. Dean the Great potentially versus Lil Cray Cray, which I think everybody would want to see in this scene. Specifically Tony Ferguson and Nissan Gibb. Darren Till versus maybe Mike Perry, maybe Jorge Somebody. I have no idea. Andrew Tate, Chase to Moore in the main event. This right here is a pretty fucking stacked misfits card. The best one top to bottom, I would say, since the prime card, at least as far as name value is concerned. And again, this is just me hypothetically making a card up. But I'd have think that there's a reason they're starting to promo an Isan Gibb and what he's going to do next. Talking about Tony Ferguson, who else? And I would say the opponent that would be crazy to watch Gibb face is none other than Amir Khan. Now, Amir Khan's been expressing some interest here and there. He's been sprinkling on the misfits box. You'd have to pay Amir Khan an obscene amount of money, I think, for him to do this. It wouldn't be as risky for Amir Khan as potentially some other fights that he could take for a big bag. Not to say Gib can't hurt him or whatever. I. I mean, it's a mere fucking con. And he still looks like he's in decent enough shape. I don't know. I. I'm. That would be out of left field. That would be one I did not expect. I would most expect Tony Ferguson. And I think that would probably be the easiest one to get done. So if that's the case, then yeah, that would be an insane misfits card. And again, this is all alleged, this is all rumor. We don't really have any confirmation of anything right now to go off and say, Yep, this is 1000% gonna happen. Yep, yep, yep, this is what it is. But bear with me, let Mams Taylor cook here because again, you may look at this and go, why Chase? The more why, why, why? Chase has gone over the moon for Misfits and done a lot of things that other guys wouldn't have done, fought for whatever amount of money on short notice, he's gone out and really been a team player. And not to say that that necessarily deserves a massive Andrew Tate fight, but if Tate says yes and they're able to pay both guys what they want, this is a good first intro fight for Andrew Tate. And it's a moment for Chase Damore that can allow him to, to maybe take some of the shine. And let's say it does go Chase his way, then you built your, your homegrown star on Misfits and you're able to, to do something with him. But if it goes the other way and Andrew Tate wins, you have Darren Till on the card in the co Main for a reason. And if that were to be the case that Darren Till wins, Andrew Tate wins, you're talking about a main event that would be huge. And maybe you don't even do that. Maybe you have Andrew Tate off to the side and you're waiting to who for who to match him up with next. But then you have Darren Till and Carl Frotch and that one's still huge, especially in the uk. This is what I like to see Misfits doing. They operate in a space outside of the conventional boxing circle and they do so by getting names like Andrew Tate. Whether you like him or not. They get names like Carl Frotch potentially involved. Darren Till is there, Tony Ferguson's there, Dylan Danis is there. There's a mixed bag of what they can bring and it is unique and it is different and I like that they're leaning further and further into unique and different without it being just a complete, complete circus clusterfuck like this. This makes sense. Now, if this got leaked and this, this report ends up being true, that will be unfortunate that they didn't get to announce it on their own, but who cares because this would be fucking insane. I'm down for it. I can't wait to watch if this is true, this card fill out because I. If Andrew Tate's at the top of it, just like we've seen when KSI is at the top of pay per View cards with Misfits. And with the Zone, that usually means like a Conor McGregor effect. All the big names want to come up and fight on that card because one, the pay is going to be higher, two, the eyes are going to be there, three, the matchups are more intriguing. That moment, that thing that built influencer boxing from the beginning and has stayed around for crossover boxing, that moment of all eyes on you. That happens when you have the star, the notoriety of somebody, the level of Andrew Tate, a KSI, a Conor McGregor, a Jake Paul, a Logan, all those things come flooding back into the scene. So that's the video, man. That's the report. Allegedly, according to the Mirror fighting, Andrew Tate will be making his debut on Misfits and his return to fighting after being retired for five years, taking on Chase Damore in Dubai December 20. And I want to know what you guys think. Are you pumped? Frustrated, Confused, excited. What do you think about Andrew Tate being on Misfits? What do you think of this potential card? Allegedly, again from the Mirror, Darren Till could be on this card. Misfits putting a suspicious post out on Instagram about Gibb potentially coming back soon and talking about plans for him. Dean the Great, making posts about a fight announcement soon and commenting under all these leaked announcements. There's some things happening, some things are going on. I'm gonna get on this here phone and check out what I can find out for myself. But I have no idea what to make of any of this. I gotta admit though, if it's true, I'm pretty damn excited. The Fight before Christmas, if this goes down, it would be one of the best, I think, Misfits events to date. So is this real? Is this happening? I don't know, guys, I don't. I have no idea. But as we always do here at the Wade concept, we don't have answers. But December 20, live in Dubai, which is a somewhat of an announcement in its own right in the Middle East, Misfits comes back for the Fight Before Christmas. What happens then? Guess we'll find out. All right, folks, we are back on the way concept presented by the Ring magazine. And today I just can't believe what I just saw in red. The sitting heavyweight world champion, undisputed, absolute monster of a fighter, Alexander Usyk, one of my favorite fighters in boxing. I'm prefacing what I'm about to tell you with telling you I love Alexander Usyk. I think he is one of the best talents we've seen at cruiser and heavyweight combined. He is right now the staple of heavyweight boxing and he's Taken out all challengers to this point. But he just said something that really disappoints. He said something that I can't believe he said. And now that he said it, I'm just. I'm questioning a little bit of what it is that's going on here with Alexander Usyk, as he was referring to the heavyweight division, how long he's going to fight in the division. And he specifically named one of the best prospects at heavyweight right now in the world, Moses Atalma. And he said, I won't fight him. I'm not going to fight Moses Atama. Not now. I'm not gonna fight him ever. And to me, that's lame. What do I mean? The breakdown. Let's go. All right, so here's the graphic.

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And yes, before we even get into what I know this comment section is going to be what did Moses Atama do to deserve an Alexander Usyk fight? I'm not saying right now, right now it should be Joseph Parker. Whatever injury, back injury that Oleksandr Usyk's dealing with right now, hopefully he gets healthy. We have Parker Wordley coming up and you know that fight's a banger. But it should have been Joseph Parker even before the Dubois rematch. I'll be honest, that should have been Joseph Parker right then, right there, there. And yes, there's Kabiel out there as well. But what we're seeing Alexander Usyk do, and I never thought I'd see him do this is essentially rule out one fighter in the heavyweight division that he will not fight. Notice again, I'm not talking about right now, because no, Moses Atama should not be fighting Alexander Usyk right now. He has not earned that right. And again, he's not even fought a top 10 guy. There's things that Moses needs to do. But right now, Usyk is 38 years old. His birthday is in January. Meaning by the time the world does three more laps around the sun, and yes, for you flat Earthers, the sun does not move around the earth. Earth moves around the sun. Alexander usyk will be 41. That'll be three more years or two. And some change, I guess, of Moses Atalma gaining experience in the heavyweight division. And surely, I mean, I think we all are in agreeance that at that point he'll have not only more experience, but he'll have fought tougher guys and be in position for a heavyweight world championship. Maybe the heavyweight world champion. Still, being Usyk doesn't mean that Usyk can't fight Parker or Kabiel. But I just don't want to see Usyk Fury 3. I'll be honest, I don't. I don't really care to see Usyk Joshua 3 or Usyk Dubois 3. We've seen what happens there. He's a better boxer than all three of them combined. And maybe not combined. I'm a little crazy, but you get what I'm saying. It would be one thing if Alexander Usyk came out and was like, listen, I don't want to fight for very much longer. I want one more fight. I want. And I know that he had kind of teased that after the Dubois fight, but this is a completely different statement. And even after the Dubai fight, he was saying, you know, I'm just getting started or I've still got a lot left in me, or whatever. I'm paraphrasing whatever he said. He's talking about two years and change still left in his career. And you don't you notice he's not saying I won't fight Joseph Parker or I won't fight, you know, Kabiel, he's singling out Moses Italma. I have to think that's because Moses Atoma, as a younger guy, you see kind of him mention it here, he's like he said himself, he doesn't hit grandpas. He's young. He's always teasing me Usyk is a bit of a jokester, and he's always understood the meaning of taking tough fights and building big fights like he has with Fury, Joshua, doing the character stuff, all of that. So it racks my brain to think why he wouldn't, if he's going to be in the sport for a couple more years, why he wouldn't take on what, in my opinion, will be the most challenging fighter at that time. It'll be Moses Atama. I know that Moses skipped out on the IBF title eliminator, I get that. But I also saw that he was potentially going to step up for the WBA regular belt, which is an easier fight, I get that. But the point being, that's how close Moses Atama is already right now to potentially being a world title contender, whether it's for the ibf, whether it's for the wba. He's a couple of fights away from fighting for a belt, maybe one fight away from fighting for a belt, and you're telling me he's not going to be at Usyk's level as far as worthy of a world championship in those two years. That's bullshit. I don't believe that at the least bit. I don't believe it. And for people that are going to come out and be like, well, Usyk can do what he wants. He's earned that right. Sure, he can do what he wants. But when you say that and then you exclusively say you're not going to fight, the one guy that I believe in the heavyweight division can actually challenge Usyk for his belts, I'll be honest, I'm at that point now where I don't know. I don't think think Joseph Parker is going to challenge Usyk for those belts. I don't think Kabiel is going to get those belts off him. There's one guy that I think realistically in the next year and a half to two years can get those belts off Usyk, and I think it's Moses Atama. That's what I want to see. I want to see the next big thing coming up and trying his hand. And I said the same thing in MMA with Jon Jones and the Tom Aspinall situation. Either you stay around long enough for that new guy to come up and take the belts, or you retire before it happens. And. And Usyk's kind of playing that middle ground where he'll fight other guys, then again, those guys more deserving right now, that's fine. Fight your Joseph Parker's fight your Kabiels. I'm fine with that. But don't, don't automatically dismiss a potential fight with one of the bigger names and one of the most talented heavyweight boxers I've seen in a while coming up, when inevitably he'll be in that position. Why would you do that? Why would you immediately shut it down unless it was just simply that you didn't want any part of him. If you're Usyk, you want no part of Atama, which tells me that's the one guy he's not confident in beating right now or in two years. It's, it's a very, just disappointing situation because I'm, I'm, I was planning on being hyped for that fight in a couple of years. I was planning on watching this, this story build between the greatest of this generation in Alexander Usyk and potentially the best of the next generation. Him fighting his way to the top of the mountain. Usyk there waiting on him, and we have this ultimate showdown. That was what I was, I was so pumped, pumped to see, and don't get me wrong, I'm pumped to see Parker give it a shot. He's had a run that's been insane to watch and he deserves his shot. Kabiel, same thing, but like this, ah, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It makes me like think of the, the problems that boxing has had for as long as it's had. The, the problems of fighters not fighting the best at the time, they are the best. Usyk hasn't done that to this point. Usyk has fought every best guy that he can. And maybe again, if you want to say he's deserved the right now to just call his shots and he's gonna, he's probably gonna fight Joseph Parker. We'll see again if the back injury and whatever else. He's probably gonna fight Kabiel at one point, he's probably gonna fight Fury for the third time. Meanwhile, you have this freaking monster in waiting in Moses Atama. And again, I'm not saying he deserves the shot right now. I'm just saying it's a bad look. I feel like for a champion, sitting champion, undisputed, to sit there and go, yeah, I'm gonna fight for a couple more years and you know, I'll be around to fight contenders, but I'm not going to fight that guy. I'm not going to fight him. The most hyped, potentially best of the younger generation heavyweight boxers that at that point will be, in my opinion and I think many others at world level. I won't Fight him. Everybody else but him. That, that. It just rubbed me the wrong way seeing this today from, from Alexander Usyk. And I don't, I don't know if he's joking. I don't know if maybe this is out of context, but I didn't see anywhere where he said, I won't fight him right now. I didn't see anywhere where he said, you know, let the guy win some fights and then we'll see. He just flat. I'm not going to fight him. And I don't understand that. I think that is, is a misstep for Usyk. If he got to the point where Italma was at world title contention and he was 41 and decided not to fight him, then again, I would have some grace for that. Because you know what? I'm 41 years old, body's not there. This guy is a younger, faster, more explosive guy than me right now. And it doesn't, it doesn't make any sense for me to go in there and just risk my legacy. That makes sense. But to do it right now while you're still willing to take fight fight and defend your heavyweight championship, essentially just calling your shot to be like, I won't be ready when he's ready. Maybe there's some honesty in that, but it just. I don't know, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth. It makes me feel like that's the one fight he's not confident in and the one fight that he'll avoid. And I never thought I would say Usyk would avoid fighting someone genuinely. And I'm saying it now because he's saying, we're not even at the point where you can call it ducking, because I don't think Moses Atoma is ready for a heavyweight title fight. He hasn't earned that right yet. But I don't know, this just didn't feel right. It felt like Usyk again was just shutting down a potential massive fight or a potential huge, huge opportunity, or just the sake of doing it. And again, all it tells me is that he wants no part of Moses Atelma. Not saying he's scared. I'm just saying he sees what's coming on the horizon. And this young, speedy, technical, quick, powerful heavyweight is the one guy he wants no part of, is the one guy. Maybe in the back of his mind he goes, yeah, that guy can be beat. Me not only right now, potentially, but definitely in a couple of years. Take that for how you will. But I'm just, I'm looking at this and going man, never thought I'd say Oleksandr Usyk would avoid somebody purposely and do it two years ahead of time. He's earned the right to, to, to fight the guys he wants to fight. But I just, I thought this was super, super lame. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. You guys let me know in the comments. People on Twitter have already told me I'm, I'm crazy for this take, but does this not rub anybody else the wrong way? Usyk, while on top of the mountain, looking down and going, okay, I'll fight that guy. I'll fight that guy. Hey, that guy. That's probably better than everyone else. I don't want any part of him. No shot. Doesn't matter if it's right now or two years from now. I'm gonna fight for a couple more years, but under no circumstance am I fighting that guy. To me, that sucks. And from Alexander Usyk, I never thought I'd see that. So you guys let me know what you think. What in the world is this statement? Am I taking this too out of Cont. Is there. There something I'm missing? Or is Alexander Usyk really not going to fight Moses Atomic? Is he really? I don't want to say afraid or scared, but worried about what this young heavyweight will be and how he would fare against him? I don't have those answers, but Usyk apparently does, as he's flat out saying he won't fight Moses Atama. I think that's a mistake, but guess we'll find out. What's that sound? That's the sound of Downy Unstoppable scent beads going into your washing machine and giving your clothes freshness that lasts all day long. There it is again. It's like music to your ears. Or more like music to your nose. That freshness is irresistible. Let's get a Downy Unstoppables bottle shake. And now a sniff solo. Nice. With Downy Unstoppables, you just toss wash. Wow. For all day freshness, Johnny Knoxville here. Check out Crimeless Hillbilly Heist, my new true crime podcast from Smartless Media, Campside Media and big money players. It's the true story of the almost perfect crime and the nimrods who almost pulled it off. It was kind of like the perfect storm in a sewer. 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