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THE W.A.D.E. Concept - WEEK IN REVIEW - JAKE PAUL VS AJ PRESS CONFERENCE MADNESS, RING IV INTERVIEWS AND FIGHT NIGHT BREAKDOWN!!
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Thank you to first form for sponsoring this video and keeping me in great shape, feeling good and wanting to continue on my fitness journey. Now let's get back to the breakdown. All right folks, like I said, Jake Paul, Anthony Joshua. It's official. Jake posting this on Twitter this morning. Yes, it's real. Jake Paul vs Anthony Joshua will go head to head in a pro heavyweight fight Live only on Netflix Friday, December 19th. They got the hashtag ready. Here's the poster. And even in the poster you can see this is a David and Goliath story here. I mean, there's times where I thought Jake is a cruiserweight. There's times where I thought even he could be a light heavyweight. And now he's stepping in with one of the most chiseled bonafide heavyweights in the world right now in Anthony Joshua. And while you may think this matchup is a monstrosity, I think the real monstrosity is the fact that they spelled judgment wrong. Someone's getting judged for that. Now you see the details in the poster. It is in Matteo center in Miami. This was the location for Jake Paul versus Gervonte Davis. They're going to keep everything the same. They're going to keep the date the same time. Netflix, they're changing out the opponent and obviously they're changing out the rules. First Jake, Tank Davis exhibition. No siree. You're not seeing that this time around. And this is why I think Jake has gigantic balls. Because the rule set is as follows. Jake Paul is actually fighting former heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua in 10 ounce gloves in a professional bout. Eight rounds, three minute rounds each. And there is a weight limit and that's only for Anthony Joshua. But there is a weight limit and there's a quote here from Anthony Joshua. I'm about to break the Internet over Jake Paul's face. I'm not sure if that makes any sense, but it sounds demented, terrifying and just in the same tone. I would want AJ to take this fight, being there, playing no games, wanting to knock Jake spark out El Sparco Cole, because that is what makes Jake Paul or any other fights interesting. A level of danger that we believe, a level of, of competition that we want to see. And the details, like I said, fire me up. It's a professional bout. This is going on people's records. AJ got to take him serious because this isn't some exhibition. We're running out some judges to act like there's a decision and someone won. No, someone's going to win, someone's going to lose. Here it's eight rounds, three minute rounds. Again, heavyweight pro bout, 10 ounce gloves. AJ talking about breaking Internets over faces. I think he meant to say breaking his face on the Internet. Who knows, maybe you can do both in the big 20, 25, but then you have the weight limit, 245 pounds. And people are automatically going to go, oh God, here, here's the thing. Oh, here's the thing in the contract. No, stop all that. And, and I'm gonna go on a rant in a second. For all the people that thought this was fake, for all the people that thought that Jake wouldn't do this, for all the people that thought he was scared. I'm going to go on that rant in a second. But okay, yes, 245 is a weird number because Jake has already fought at heavyweight. He fought Mike Tyson at 220something. But again, I understand it a little bit. We're on short notice here. You don't want to have a Tyson Fury type situation, which AJ would never be. 290 coming in here, but 260, 270, it starts to get out of the realm of possibility of like, what are we doing here? Even though heavyweight has no limit, I get it. Because AJ has fought at this weight multiple times before and they're trying to create a similar, at least size matchup to Anthony Joshua and Alexander Usyk. And we go Back to the 2022 rematch. Usyk weighed in at 221.5. Anthony Joshua weighed in at 245 or at least 244.5. Now this is interesting because it was heavier than the first time they fought because in the first time they fought AJ was 240. Now, again, you see kind of the size they want to replicate. They want to replicate the size of usyk in this second and first fight, and they want to replicate AJ's size in those fights as well. I thought AJ fought very well the second time around. Better than. Than maybe people remember. And this is why this be a competitive fight, regardless of that weight or anything else. I mean, look at this picture right here. I know things have changed since this time period, but this was in 2017. AJ was the heavyweight world champion. Jake was on red carpets for Bizaard Varks on the Disney Channel, looking like every fuckboy that came out of the vine era. This shouldn't be the reality that we're living in now. I've sat here and I've asked myself over and over and over, you know, what's the upside for Jake here? What's the upside? Because he can make money with everybody, right? Jake can make money fighting Gervonta Davis. He can make money fighting freaking Ryan Borland and Andre Agas. He can make money fighting Mike Tyson and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. And I'm just asking myself what. Stop asking me. 267 million. OK, yeah, if that. If that's a real number. There's no context there. I don't know if that's referring to something else, but if Jake is getting paid $267 million for this fight, I mean, this is Floyd Mayweather, Conor McGregor Territory without pay per view. This is Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao territory, again without it being pay per view. That can't be the number. Now, there's also this message from Jake that was on Sky Sports. We're going to look at a Sky Sports interview in just a second. Jake said to all my haters, this is what you wanted. To the people of the United Kingdom. I'm sorry. On Friday, December 19, under the lights in Miami, live globally on Netflix, the torch gets passed and Britain's Goliath gets put to sleep again. I told you guys, he. He wanted this. I told you he'd be confident in it. Hell, I was on a misfit show a couple of months ago and I told you guys that I thought Jake was crazy enough to believe himself. When he said, I'm gonna go out and knock out aj, I want the AJ fight, I believed he meant it because I know how insane this dude is, how his brain has probably been altered from his time in boxing and he's making decisions like this. You don't have to believe me. Jake Paul's biggest op KSI is even saying it like, all right, dude, fair enough. Because you can't hate this kind of level of, again, ballsy attitude, maybe psychotic delusion, inflated ego, whatever, is making Jake take this fight. And I don't think it's healthy for him at all. I think this is going to be one way traffic. I think AJ is going to hurt him very badly. And speaking of the insanity of this thing, here is what the first line is. Jake as a plus 800. I have a feeling that's going to shift even more toward AJ at minus 1500. Because again, how could you even see Jake winning this fight? Where is the possibility for Jake to actually get it done? I mean, look at this picture from. From them playing paintball a couple of years ago, I guess, or I don't know if it was paintball, but some sort of like, some sort of air stoff like gun fighting. But look at the difference in the size. And I get it. You know, size doesn't just win fights. But AJ doesn't just have the size. He is more experienced at the highest level. He has fought guys that are smaller than him and are more experienced and better than Jake is. Again, Alexander Usyk twice. What better experience? I know Usyk is southpaw, but what better experience to get you prepared to fight a smaller guy than to fight the best smallest guy coming up to heavyweight in Usyk that you could find. Yes, AJ is plotty and he's maybe a little stiff and maybe his chin is not what it used to be, but that's still Anthony Joshua. So Nikisa Bedarian did an interview with Sky Sports, Jake Paul's manager and co founder of mvp. He had some things to say about the fight. Obviously they're going to do a massive press tour around this thing. Let's. Let's take a look and listen at why Nikisa, maybe a hot take says that Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua is more winnable for Jake Paul than Gervonta Davis would have been.
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Anthony Joshua
How dangerous is this for Paul?
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Wade
This is a more dangerous fight than Gervonta Tank Davis, but it's a more winnable fight than Gervonta Tank Davis. Gervonta was small, fast, super skilled. That is a fucking hot take. That's a crazy. I don't know if that's crazy, but it's a hot take. Let's hear his reasoning. Gervonta was small, fast, super skilled. Joshua is big, heavy puncher, but not as evasive. So I Think if Jake has the right game plan, he has a pretty good shot of winning this fight. That's crazy. Now, first off, you know, a winnable fight with Gervonta Davis, it was an exhibition, so, you know, wins and losses, we weren't really going to be able to count there. But saying that it is a risky but more winnable fight, I. It's so hard to get on board with even the thought of Jake winning this. Like there, there's only really, I think one, maybe two avenues where Jake possibly can in some way win it. But when Nikisa says it's a more dangero, dangerous, but also more winnable, the only thing my mind jumps to is Jake is going to have to stand in front of Anthony Joshua, a literal destroyer at heavyweight, a literal one punch, send you to the hospital potentially in your career puncher at heavyweight, and take the risk of eating that punch just to land a punch that potentially could knock AJ out. That is why the risk and reward factor, I have to think Nikis is talking about there is involved. And you do look at guys like Andy Ruiz, guys like Usyk that even hurt aj and obviously Daniel Dubois that hurt him badly and put him down. You do ask the question, is AJ's chin just completely gone? Is that what MVP? Is that what Jake is banking on? The fact that he can touch AJ on the chin and it's been tested so many times that Jake hits hard enough to put him away. That is a down to your last dollar all in. Bet on a hand of blackjack, down to your last dollar and you're holding a two and a three. You're betting blind with almost no chance and only on hope that you can get this done, that that's how it feels. But again, that would be the path. Taking the risk at least in pockets and being in front of AJ and throwing on throw that, I mean, you have to think he's gonna have to throw on throw. When AJ throws, Jake's got to be there to counter and hit him. In between when AJ's not seeing the punch coming, it has to be that's, that's every time AJ's been knocked out, that's how it's been. It's been exchanging throw on throw. We're going to do an entire breakdown on how this fight's going to go. And again, the easy answer is this fight's probably just going to flat out go one way and one way only. Aj is the 18 wheeler going 90 down the straightaway and Jake is in a fucking golf cart going 10 miles an hour, headed right back at the 18 wheeler. It's going to be freaking destruction. But anyway, then you have the tale of the tape, the facts. AJ's 36, Jake's 28, which again, I'm tired of hearing about the age thing with Jake. He's getting to be close to 30 now himself, like we're going to see here. Oh, AJ's past his prime. Don't give me that bullshit. AJ may not be what he was as a sitting world champion, but he is so far from just completely shot. And I'm. I swear if I hear any of that this time around. Dude, go fuck off. AJ is 66250. Even if AJ just wants to keep him on the end of a jab, look at the reach. He's got a six inch reach on Jake. And trust me, the Chloe concept has told. Six inches is more than enough. Okay, so that's going to be a problem. Again, not even talking about the fact that AJ is more dangerous with just his power. But the jab, the reach, the extent, turnover of the right hand, he's going to be able to hit Jake at range. Jake can't even hit him. 43amateur fights, 32 pro fights. He's 28 and 4. He's an Olympian. He's a gold medalist. He's won the world title. Delusional. Yes. Very rich. Yes. It just, it's insane. Here's more from the Sky Sports interview with Nagisa Bedarian. Looking like my man Steve Jobs.
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Anthony Joshua
They'll say it's a real mismatch. What would you say to them? Are we going to be watching sport at its purest?
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Wade
I would say it's much less of a mismatch than what you saw with AJ and Francis Ngannou, who a massive man, but relatively no boxing experience. I would say it's much less of a mismatch than AJ's ninth or 10th fight against guys who have been knocked out 20 to 25 times.
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Anthony Joshua
Given AJ's pedigree, Jake is built for this.
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Wade
Jake is built for the big moments. So do I think it's dangerous for Jake, Paul? Absolutely. Do I think it's also dangerous for Anthony Joshua? 100% they'll say, Gee, I mean, again, that just sounds crazy. It sounds crazy to say, yeah, Jake is dangerous for Anthony Joshua. It sounds stupid. It sounds insane to say that, hey, AJ might be in trouble here, but again, they're gonna fight. And if AJ does come in and just try to walk right over Jake, I will agree with Nikisa. That it's not as easy as it was with Francis, who, I mean, he would jab and the. There would be no recollection of, oh, there's a right hand coming back and AJ would just pull right hand and flatline. Francis, like Jake will have a better at least skill set than Francis Ngannou. Now, Jake's size will not be nowhere near France. So I don't know about the power that Jake has in his hands to even hurt aj. I know that he hits hard, but this is a 240 pound heavyweight. This is not the cruiserweights, it's not the, the 190s. This is not those guys. And Jake couldn't knock out Mike. That's the other thing we're not talking about. Jake couldn't knock out 58 year old Mike Tyson. And trust me, he tried. He tried in the first couple of rounds in that fight. And I know that, you know, maybe he had some things going on and had a foot issue or whatever, but like he couldn't knock out Mike, he couldn't knock out Tommy Fury, he couldn't beat Tommy. And I know again, that was a long time ago in a different way, but Jake hit him with a flush right hand, he hit Tommy Fury with a flush overhand and, and multiple left hooks couldn't hurt him. And if you can't hurt AJ, if you can't get AJ's respect, especially early in this fight, to get him to walk onto something and then make him pay for it, it's going to go very badly. Now, can I see a world where AJ walks onto a right hand? Yeah, I can. Because I've seen him do it before multiple times when he gets to feeling himself a little bit and walks forward. And Jake throws that, looking at the floor, freaking overhand or jab the body overhand. I just don't know how many times you get that miracle punch. So if he gets one one off, it better be the one that stops the show. If Jake even has a remote chance, I'm talking 5% chance to win. It's going to be off one of those hail Mary, perfect from the gods punches that just rocks aj. AJ walking forward, kind of plotting, throwing out the jab, Jake goes jab the body overhand over the top. It would shock me to no end to watch if AJ were to just get outboxed by Jake Paul. Or again, if it was just one of those things where AJ showed up with the weird mindset and fucking didn't perform. But here's another Jake Paul message To Anthony Joshua. Santa's got one wish for Christmas. What's that? I'mma knock Anthony Joshua the fuck out.
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David Benavidez
Are you serious?
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Jake Paul
Anthony Joshua, you're a wussy.
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Wade
I'mma calm down your chimney, boy, and whoop that ass. Hey, yo, what the f. Oh, okay. Also, there is this from Logan Paul's YouTube channel.
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Jake Paul
When you called out Anthony Joshua, were you on cocaine? No, I don't do that. Dang. But I would if you got some.
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Wade
Why did you do that?
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Jake Paul
To be the heavyweight champion of the world.
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Wade
His chin's gone, but he's still Anthony.
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Jake Paul
Joshua, which is stiff and no rhythm, no skill, just power.
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Wade
You're serious about fighting him? Jake has to be trolling when he says that Anthony Joshua is stiff, with no skill and just power. AJ has skills, dude. AJ is good. He's not Alexander Usyk. And Jake does live in delusional land. He'll even tell you that he's delusional to a degree that pushes him to be great. And I've said this multiple times on my channel, his delusion pushes him to another level that he would never get to if he just thought, oh, I'm a YouTuber, I'm a stay in my YouTuber lane. Jake is not a great boxer, but it pushes him past the barriers that he would have in place to even be where he's at right now, to even have a fight with it. But that in no way, shape or form means that AJ is unskilled, stiff, no chin, and just power. I'm going to say this. We're in for one of the greatest nights on boxing Twitter, because no matter what happens happens, if we get a stoppage in this fight, really, it just doesn't matter what happens. Twitter is going to go crazy. If Jake were to somehow knock out aj, the entire Internet might blow up. If AJ knocks out Jake, they'll hold a celebration like if the devil had passed. Like, it's gonna be insane. But I think that's it, man. I think that's all we have. Jake Paul went from 55134 to 66245 on the night of the fight. Yeah, just insane, dude. But, yeah, that's it. I'm gonna tell you guys this. I'm excited. Right? Whatever happens in this fight, again, I don't think it's the right decision for Jake's health and well being. But you have to give him credit for giving us, the fans, something to be excited about around his fights and something to end off the year of boxing that has been, you know, hit and miss. I would say with an absolute banger of an event. This is going to be one of the most watched things this year, no doubt about it. But we got to give credit where it's due. Jake's a madman. It doesn't make sense for him. He's potentially going to get ironed out flat, but he's got some big balls. And for him to do this, I gotta say, I gotta tip. I don't have a hat on, but I tip my hat to you, Jake. This one's a big one. And I think we all have to give up the credit of like, yeah, bro, he's challenging himself and he's putting on a good show for us. Also. Last thing we had, words from aj, quote, Jake or anyone can get this work. No mercy. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. And then he also said, I took some time out and I'm coming back with a mega show. It's a big opportunity for me. Whether you like it or not, I'm just here to do massive numbers, have big fights and break every record whilst keeping cool, calm and collected. Mark my words. You will see a lot more fighters take these opportunities in the future. I'm about to break the Internet over Jake Paul's and then we have. Real quick, we do have a press conference in I don't know where, I guess Miami. Yeah, in Miami. At the Kaseya center this Friday. Ariel Hawani hosting. Gonna be 1pm Eastern, 10am Pacific. We're gonna be breaking that down. We're gonna be breaking so much more around this fight down. Stay tuned, stay locked in. But folks, as we head out, it's fucking real. Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua. December 19th. Merry Christmas. What happens in this fight? I think I know, I think AJ destroys it. But I don't have those answers. So guess we'll find out. Folks, welcome back to the way concept presented by the Ring magazine. Today I am with the former undisputed 135 pound champion of the world. He was champion at 140 as well. That's two weight divisions. Looking for his third on November 22nd in the co main event as he takes on WBO welterweight champion, Brian Norman Jr. He is Devin the Dream Haney. Yes, sir.
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Devin Haney
Yes, sir. Thank you for having me.
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Wade
Of course, my man. How, I mean this is the general question, but how are you doing right now? Where's the mind at? Where's the the. How does training camp go for Devin Haney this close to a fight?
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Devin Haney
Yeah, no, I'm good. I'm good mentally, physically, camp is going great. You know, I'm, I'm super excited for the fight. Super fighter to super, super excited to make my debut at 147 and fight for another world title. Win another world title and, you know, put my name in the history books once again.
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Wade
I was going to say it's already there, man. You're already in the history books. What. When you have achieved all you have achieved so far and you see, you know, the money that's come into boxing and everybody fighting until they maybe get to that point, how do you stay motivated, man? Because it's like you've done everything and then you did it again. Now you're moving up to do it again again. How do you keep motivated for stuff like this?
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Devin Haney
Yeah, I mean, this is, this is part of it, you know, this is all part of the plan, you know. You know, take over each weight, you know, win multiple world championships and, you know, so everything is going as planned. And, you know, I'm just thankful, you know, I'm the lie. You know, I thank God for it. And, you know, I'm, I'm excited to, to be champion once again.
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Wade
Hey, speaking of, you know, weight classes and moving up, how's the body feeling? It's got to feel good to not see that weight cut coming to go to 35 and all the foods you're going to have to cut out. You got to be feeling better about that.
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Devin Haney
Yeah, no, I mean, you know, when, when I'm in camp, you know, now these days, you know, I wonder, you know, how I was, you know, not not only at 135, but just, you know what, at 1/3 at 135 and successful, you know, for so long, you.
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Wade
Know, you're a big dude, man.
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Devin Haney
You're a big dude for sure. For sure. You know, I was fighting that, you know, a percentage of myself, but, you know, I was able to do it and still, you know, be the man in the division, become undisputed. And, you know, it was a dream come true. Manu. The sacrifice was, was worth it.
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Wade
It Absolutely. Absolutely. So going into this matchup, like you said, debuting at 147, obviously we know what Brian Norman brings to the table. Power punching. He's coming off a three knockout streak. You've seen him in person. There's a little pushing and shoving, a little feeling out process. You told him, listen, muscles don't win, you fights. That power ain't nothing.
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Devin Haney
Yeah.
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Wade
So talk to me about when, when it is fight night. What you're Looking at, to try to. Without giving out game plan, what you're trying to expose a little bit in Brian Norman.
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Devin Haney
Yeah, no, I mean, he, he definitely has, you know, weaknesses and he has, you know, strengths. You know, I look to, to handicap him, you know, of his strengths and, you know, bring out his weaknesses, and it's as simple as that. You know, I'm here to show him that I'm just, you know, levels above him and that, you know, he's never, he's never been on this level before and, you know, he's never beaten nobody on this level before. Any, in any one.
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Wade
Great point. You are by far, in my opinion, the best fighter he's ever faced. Do you think that level of experience you have, like you said, different levels. When it does come to fight night, co. Main event, big stage, big name, Devin Haney, do you think that's going to shake him a little bit?
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Devin Haney
Yeah, I mean, he's gonna go in there, he's gonna do whatever he's gonna do regardless, you know. But like I said, I'm just, I'm just a different kind of fighter. You know, it's different at this level, and I'm, I'm here to show him that, you know, the guys that he's fought, you know, I've never heard of. I didn't know that, you know, the, the guy he fought his last fight, you know, he did what he did not, not, not to take anything away from. He did what he was supposed to do against a guy like that. Yeah, yeah, he did what he was supposed to do against a guy like that, but, you know, he wasn't.
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Wade
No Devin Haney, when you see a knockout like that, like you said, you didn't even, you didn't even know the guy he knocked out. But when you see something like that, I always, I, I find it interesting how fighters react to someone they're supposed to fight or potentially will fight. Having a massive performance. Does that get you excited? Because some guys, I know, they're like.
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Devin Haney
But before that, you know, we didn't, we didn't really, you know, he wasn't somebody on our radar.
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Wade
Okay.
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Devin Haney
So we would, we wasn't looking at it in, in that, you know, he's, he's, he's, he's making noise. You know, he, he had a great, a great knockout. And, you know, he's the man at 147. And so now what better, what better person to fight than the best person there, you know, and become the man in the weight class?
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Wade
Yeah, absolutely. Speaking of the fight, man. I've been seeing some training come out, you know, and we know the dream is known for that nasty jab, that footwork, being able to be elusive and still be there to, to land punches in combination. But I'm seeing some power in camp. I'm seeing you turn some right hands over. Is there a statement to be made in this fight at 147?
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Devin Haney
Yeah, of course. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm looking to, to show, you know, how much better I am at this weight class, how much stronger, how much more I can, how, how much better I can, you know, my punch resistance is, you know, at 147, I'm looking to show the best. Devin Haney I want to show my.
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Devin Haney
You know I want to showcase you know, everything in this fight, and I don't think that, that Brian has the, the best chin out there. We've seen him hurt multiple times. So, you know, I look to, to go in there and, you know, he's looking to test my channel. I'm looking to test his.
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Wade
I was gonna say that's what he wants to do too. He's talked about the left hook. You've seen it. Everybody's talked about it. He's got a nasty one, but I like that answer. You're. You're saying we're gonna flip the script. You know, you, you think you're the big power guy here. Obviously we're gonna do it within the reins of, of being a good boxer and showing off our technique. But I like this, Devin. I, I think that, that there's going to be a lot of people looking at that fight and saying what Devin Haney are we going to get here? And because you can fight in so many different ways, that's a, I think that's a strength you have that people don't give you credit for, is you, you can win in a lot of different ways.
- [33:33]
Devin Haney
Yeah, yeah. I'm a very, I'm a very versatile fighter. Got a lot of experience, and I looked to show it on November 22nd.
- [33:41]
Wade
You know, we don't look forward past this fight, obviously, but, you know, you said you want to become the man here at 147. Does that mean we're going belt hunting in this way?
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Devin Haney
Yeah, for sure.
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- [33:50]
Devin Haney
Yeah. I want to fight the champions. You know, I want to fight, you know, Ryan again. I think that that's a huge fight. That's a lot of unfinished.
- [33:58]
Wade
It's a huge fight. Massive.
- [34:00]
Devin Haney
Yeah, it's a lot of question marks there. So I think the 147 pound division is a great division for me and I'm excited for my future in the division.
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Wade
Absolutely. You know, we talk about the Ryan fight, and I know that you've been asked about it by everybody. I always wanted your perspective on what you thought happened with him and Roli. You were sitting there ringside, you saw it.
- [34:23]
Devin Haney
I think we're, I think we're all, we, we're all questioning what really happened. We seen Ryan was off the, the pds. You know, he was in, he was in drug testing protocol for, you know, around 10 months, nine months or something like that. You know, maybe a little less than that. But we seen, we've seen that, you know, a clean Ryan and we've seen, you know, a totally different fighter. Than we've seen against the fight. We've seen in the fight with me. So I think that played a big part in the outcome of the fight.
- [34:55]
Wade
Yeah, I mean, he was. It was completely different. But also, Rollie came to fight, and that's a guy that potentially you got on your radar as well, too.
- [35:02]
Devin Haney
Yeah. No, take nothing away from Rollie. He fought a good fight. He went in there and he. He handicapped, took the left hook away, and, you know, Ryan had no answers.
- [35:11]
Wade
When you look at this fight between you and Brian Norman Jr. There has been a little side story, and I know that this happens pretty much with all of your fights. You know, your dad, Bill Haney, is one of the best talkers probably in the sport. I'll be honest. He's the most entertaining man. Anytime I'm on stage with him, he's hilarious. Have you seen some of this back and forth between him and Brian Norman Sr. And do you make anything of it at all, or is that just business as usual?
- [35:36]
Devin Haney
Yeah, no, I mean, you know, it's. It's. This is the case in. In all of my fights, so I'm used to it. Like I said, I'm gonna go in there and do whatever I'm gonna do regardless of, you know, what they say or what they. Or what they don't say. And I think he's gonna do the same, you know, in return.
- [35:54]
Wade
So this camp, can you give me a focus for what it's been? Because you've talked about getting better with your power, but what's. When you walk into the gym every day? You know, I've been a part of some. Some different camps where fighters have, like, a mantra or a theme for the camp. What's the theme for this. This camp for Devin Haney?
- [36:11]
Devin Haney
I can't really say a theme. You know, I just want to be the. The best Devin Haney that. That I. That I can be. And this training camp, that's what I've been, you know, focused on. I've been trying to, you know, improve on. On the things, you know, my. My weaknesses and, you know, also, you know, make my strengths even. Even better as well. You know, I'm looking to. To. To be the best Devin Haney on November 22, and I thought the. The world is going to, you know, see, you know. You know, we can look back at the Ramirez fight and you can say what you want to say, but Brian Norman is not Ramirez. You know, we fight every guy different. Ramirez is not Loma. Loma is not Ryan. Ryan isn't Regis, you know, we've fought every fighter different. So, you know, come this fight, you guys will see a different Devin Haney than you guys seen in every other fight.
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Wade
I think people are really excited for that. Devin, you feel like a guy that's more mature than the age you are, man. Every time I hear you talk, there's not a lot of controversy. Sometimes there's some pushing and shoving outside of fights, but we're fighters, right? Yeah, but where does that come from? Does that come from, Bill? Does that come from just your life experience? You. You seem like you got a good head on your shoulders, and you don't really partake in a lot of the stuff that usually gets guys sidetracked in this sport.
- [37:24]
Devin Haney
Yeah, I mean, I've been. I've been doing this for a while now. I thought at the top level, you know. You know, I got a. A jump start, you know, in front of a lot of guys my age, most of the guys my age. So, you know, I just, Just. Just been through some stuff, learned a lot, and this, this is the result. Here I am.
- [37:45]
Wade
There you go. When you get into this fight, Fight Week, I should say, it's in Riyadh, it's a little bit of a change of scenery. Right. So I'm sure we're trying to get prepared for that. But the last time you guys have kind of been around each other for an extended period, it always comes to pushing and shoving. How do avoid that during fight week? I don't need to see anybody getting atomic wedgied or getting their shirt pulled overheads. What are we doing here? We got to avoid that, right?
- [38:08]
Devin Haney
Yeah, I mean, it's. It's the fight game.
- [38:13]
Wade
Yeah.
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Devin Haney
At the end of the day, when you put two. Two fighters in the same room together with no security, no nothing, then you don't know what's bound to happen. So maybe they'll keep us away this time, maybe not. We'll see.
- [38:26]
Wade
I just can't see. I can't see anybody getting their head put through their shirt again. That was crazy work. That was insane. But okay, so let's do some. Some mind games here. We get to fight night. Devin Haney is across the ring from Brian Norman Jr. WBO welterweight championship on the line. Bell rings. What happens, Devin?
- [38:46]
Devin Haney
We gotta see. We gotta see. You know, that's.
- [38:49]
Wade
I thought I'd get it out of you. I thought I'd try, man.
- [38:51]
Devin Haney
The world has to tune in November 22nd to see, you know, where Devin Haney shows up, where Brian Norman shows up. How the styles, you know, clash against each other and who's a better man.
- [39:00]
Wade
Do you think, though, that he'll take, you know, some of the, the, I want to say notes, but things that Jose Ramirez tried to do and walk you down and try to put you in different positions on the back foot. Do you think that's how he's going to approach this?
- [39:11]
Devin Haney
Yeah, I think, I think he'll, you know, go in there and come, come and try to come forward and, you know, do. Do what? Do do the same thing that he's done in his past fights.
- [39:22]
Wade
Yeah, yeah.
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Devin Haney
And I'll be there to meet him.
- [39:25]
Wade
I, I did want to give you.
- [39:26]
Devin Haney
I won't be hard for him to find.
- [39:28]
Wade
Oh, okay. Talk that talk, Dev. I wanted to, I wanted to say this too. I went back and watched the Jose Ramirez performance and granted there wasn't a lot of punches thrown, but when there were moments where you countered off that back foot, you were catching him with some nasty stuff, man. And I was like, this didn't get looked at in real time the way I think it deserved. I was like, oh, snap. When you sat down on punches, I saw some of that power come out then. I can't wait for it at 47 and. But let's do this. Devin Haney picks because you're on a card full of champions. I mean, it's called Night of Champions for goodness sake. Yeah, give me some picks here if you can. Let's start with Bam Rodriguez versus Fernando Martinez. Who you got? Man?
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Devin Haney
I think Bam for sure. I mean, I don't know much of, of his opponent, but I think Bamish is, you know, he's crazy talented. I've been knowing him for a while, so I think he's just, you know, one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world.
- [40:18]
Wade
Super, super talented, man. He, he's gonna, I think he's gonna get in front of a lot of eyes that maybe haven't seen him yet. Yet he's going to show out. How about Abdullah Mason versus Sammy Noakes?
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Devin Haney
Same thing with, with Abdullah. I think that he has, you know, a lot of talent and a lot of potential. I haven't seen. You know, Sam, he's a puncher.
- [40:37]
Wade
He's a big time puncher.
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Devin Haney
I haven't seen him fight, so I see. You know what, what my opinion just off of that, I think Abdullah should win.
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Wade
Now with your fight, can I get a prediction how it goes down? Do you know kind of in your mind what you want to do here year?
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Devin Haney
Yeah, I mean, you Know, I know that I'll be victorious. And you guys, now you guys got to tune in on.
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Wade
Tune in.
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Devin Haney
I got to see how.
- [40:58]
Wade
To see how. Right. We got the. The victory. We just got to see how I got you. Main event.
- [41:06]
Devin Haney
That's a fight I want to stay away from because, you know, I really like Benavidez. Benavidez is a guy who, you know, we've. We've been training out of the same gym in Miami. You know, I've been a fan of him for a long time. I think that he's, you know, another pound for pound talent, you know, a great fighter. And Anthony Yard is, you know, a guy that I came up with. You know, my dad helped, you know, make this fight, you know, make that fight happen, you know.
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Wade
Sure.
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Devin Haney
My dad brought that fight to the table to, you know, you know, his Excellency you. You know, and, you know, Riyadh season and, you know, making this fight happen. So that's just a fight that. That I'm happy to, you know, watch, you know, be a fan of, and.
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Wade
Yeah, sure, sure. I hear you. Just a couple more for you, we'll get out of here. What are your thoughts on this rumored Manny Pacquiao Rolly fight coming up?
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Devin Haney
I think it's a good fight. It's a good fight for boxing. It's good style. It's a good fight, you know, stylistically. And, yeah, no, I'm. I would definitely tune in to watch that fight.
- [42:07]
Wade
Let's just say. All right, let's just play. Let's just fantasize here. What if Manny were to do it. It and get a win? Would you go and fight Manny Pacquiao?
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Devin Haney
I think that that's a huge fight for boxing. You know, he would be coming with a world title if he was to be, you know, Rolly. I would be coming with a road title when I beat Norman. And. Yeah, no, I think it'll be a great, great fight for boxing. Huge fight for boxing and.
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- [42:35]
Wade
All right, well, Devin, I don't have anything left for you, but I want you to do something for me. Tell the fans, your supporters, the people that watch this, why they should t. In. Outside of all the accolades, you're one of the best in the sport, but what's so special about this night, November 22nd?
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Devin Haney
Yeah, no, there's not. You know, outside of the accolades, you know, this is just a great fight for boxing, you know. You know, Brian Norman is the best guy at 147, and I'm coming up to to, to the weight class to be a challenger, you know, and, and show wow. I want why I'm one of the best fighters in boxing, you know, one why I'm a pound for pound talent, you know, why I've been at the top for so long.
- [43:09]
Wade
One of the best. And I will give you this credit that a lot of people I don't think do you seek out tough fights. It's one of the things I think you and Bill don't get enough credit for is you have sought out some tough, tough people when no one else wanted to do it.
- [43:22]
Devin Haney
Yeah, I mean this is a tough fight on paper, but I'd like to go in on November 22 and make it easy.
- [43:27]
Wade
He's looking to make it easy November 22nd. Catch him in the co main event of Ring 4 Night of Champions as Devin Haney jumps up another weight class to contend for the WBO Welterweight Championship of the world. He's taken on Brian Orman Jr. You guys will see it November 22nd. Devin, appreciate you joining me, man. Thank you so much. Folks. Welcome back to the way concept presented by the Ring magazine. Today I am joined by the WBC light heavyweight champion of the world. He's 30 0. They call him El Monstro. It's none other than David Benavidez. David, how you doing my man?
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David Benavidez
I'm doing great, man. Thank you for having me on. And it's just, you know, it's just a pleasure and a blessing to be here with you guys.
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Wade
Awesome, brother. Listen, this is no doubt about it, one of the most fun fights I think of the year. Coming up November 22nd, you Anthony Yard in Riyadh, Night of champions. You get to headline a card full of champions. Just talk to me really quickly about what that means. It seems like it's now elevation time finally for David Benavidez.
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David Benavidez
Yeah, I'm just really excited, man. This is something since when I fought on the undercard of Tank, you know, we had made that happen because that was something that I was kind of trying to manifest. You know, I wanted to be that type of fighter that fights with on the card with other great champions. So that was the first step really to making cars like that happen. And after we got that card done, it kind of seemed like everybody stalled, started to follow in that direction. There was cars being made of, you know, different champions on the same card. So. And now, you know, I paid my dues. I had took the co main event spot with Gervonta Davis and now this time, you know, it's paying off, because now I'm the main event on. On a card full of champions. You know, you got Devin Haney, you got Abdullah Mason, you got Bam Bam Rodriguez, and, you know, it's. It's definitely going to be a treat for the. For the fans. And I'm very excited, man. All these fights, you know, they could be main event on their own, you know, so I'm very excited, not only for myself, but for the fans, because it's going to be an amazing night of boxing.
- [45:28]
Wade
I agree with you, man. And I. I also agree with you that, you know, once you had that fight versus Voodsig and. And I didn't know if people would really understand how much that win would catapult you because you're fighting a guy whose only loss at that point was to Archer. Better bev. And he was a tough out for Archer. Better be. It wasn't an easy fight, and you made that fight look a little easier than I thought it was going to be. And I was there that week in Vegas, and I remember talking to you in Vegas, I didn't know how big you were. I was like, oh, man, this guy is really going to step up to 175 and make some noise, which you already had been before. And that moment and then the Morrell fight. And now it just feels like each fight your name is getting bigger and bigger to you. Does that. Is that how it feels? And how are you handling all of that?
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David Benavidez
Yeah, definitely. Every fight gets bigger and bigger. With that fight, when I fought, I don't know if we didn't. We didn't really speak on it because I was. That fight, when I fought Bosik, I had gone through a lot of injuries. You know, I. In my opinion, I should have stopped him, but I had torn my ligament on this side, had an injured left hand. I had got a cut in my eye three weeks before the fight. So it was the. It was a tough fight, not only because. Not because the fighter, but because everything I had gone through. This is the type of stuff you have to go through as a boxer. You know, sometimes you're gonna have to be dealing with injuries, fighting, you know, with cuts and this and that. So that not only did that, that fight taught me a lot about myself. You know, it showed me that I have the heart of the champion. And no matter what, what obstacle gets put in front of me, I will prevail. But, you know, it was a great performance. You know, it was. It was a great card. And then after that fight, we fought David Morrell So every, every fight keeps getting bigger and bigger, but this is what we worked for, you know what I mean? I knew my time was going to come sooner or later. You know, I'm professional now. Thirteen years, I've been boxing 25 years. So I've been waiting for my moment, man. And not only been waiting for, I've been working for, you know, since while I was blading. So, you know, I'm just very excited, I'm very happy and I'm very blessed, you know, I mean, and I just, I'm just keep. I just continue to work harder and. Because I definitely do want to be the face of boxing and I know that's possible. You know, with hard work, anything is possible.
- [47:41]
Wade
It absolutely is, man. And there's videos of you when you're, you know, you're younger, you're a kid, and you're in the, the background of some of these videos and boxing gyms, and I'm seeing you just fall in love with the sport in real time. I think that's the coolest thing. I mean, there's a lot wrong with social media and the big 20, 25, but one of the coolest things we get is we get like a video documented journey of, you know, kids getting into the sport like yourself and, you know, being able to. To grow in the sport in front of our eyes. And that's what I've really seen. And I've talked to people, I've talked. I don't know, you've been in camp and been in there with BJ Flores. I talked to him when he was kind of on his way out of his career and you were coming up and he was like. That's when I knew I needed to get out because that kid was a monster and I didn't want any part of him.
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Devin Haney
He's.
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Wade
I mean, like stories like that. I've heard about you in the sparring room then obviously now to see it in front of the, the bright lights, it's just, it's really cool to see for me, and it does show me that, that, you know, there are some guys in this game that box for money. There are some guys in this game, especially with the money coming in, that that's the end goal for you. You said you want to be the face of boxing, and I can see that in those videos back then. I can hear it in BJ Flores's voice when he talks to me about the hunger you had then. How do you keep that hunger for me?
- [48:50]
David Benavidez
I've never really worried about the money. I've always said that if you do your job right, the money's going to come in on its own own. And I've always, I've always had that mindset even since I was a little kid, man, even since I was 14 years old, sparring world champions. I knew that if I did my job right and I beat the guys that people say I can't beat, the money will come on its own. For me, what motivates me more in the world is the accolades of boxing, the world titles. You know, I definitely do want to be on that Mount Rushmore of boxing, that mountain Rushmore boxing. And by the time I'm done. So that, that's really what motivates me and that's what keeps me going every day. Also what keeps me going is I think people could see in real time who I was back then and who I am now. You know, when I was a little kid, I was a fat little kid. You know, I was never the first pick. I was never the first pick of anything. I was not the strongest, I was not the fastest, I was really overweight. I had bad eating habits and bad habits. And I feel like what's good about me now, what's good about me is that people are able to see that. So, you know, sometimes people have the same habits I have. You know, people are overweight people, they're not the strongest, they're not the fastest. But what I have myself is I never gave up on myself. I had a dream and I was not gonna stop and I was not gonna quit until I see my dream manifest. And I think just by having the story that I have, have, I can, I can motivate a lot of people, I can motivate a lot of kids, I can motivate a lot of young men that maybe sometimes they don't believe in themselves, sometimes they might think their dream is far fetched. But what, what you can guarantee yourself is how hard you work. You know, for me, I always told myself, I said, you know what, if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. But I'm going to give my heart and soul into this. And if I walk away from the sport and I, I don't make nothing out of it, at least I know for myself that I put everything into it. Thankfully for me, me putting everything into it meant me becoming world champion and me making my dreams come true. But I don't feel like I'm different from anybody else. I feel like what just makes me different is that I'm not going to quit. You know, I'm going to keep going, and I'm going to keep working. And no matter what obstacle gets put in my way, I'm going to keep going. But that's something that other kids can learn from themselves, too, you know? I mean, and it's not even about boxing. It's about everything. Everything in life. Life, if you put hard work, whether it's football, basketball, you know, you want to be a programmer or you want to be a car salesman, whatever, the one thing that you got to do is make sure that you put more work in than anybody else, and you will achieve whatever it is that you're looking to achieve.
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Wade
Yeah, man, I love that message. Is that something that, you know, you talked about, you know, being the kid that no one picked first? Being the kid that maybe was overlooked a little bit? Is that what keeps that chip on your shoulder, too? Is that. That maybe some of these other guys, when they were younger were. Were looked at as the big prodigy prospect. Like, you're the one that's going to lead. Especially the U.S. boxing, which, you know, we have for long times, wanted to see the resurgence. And here it comes with you and guys like Devin Haney and. And Shakur and others, is that what especially early on was. Was able to. To keep that chip on your shoulder? Like, okay, you're looking at that guy, you're looking at this guy, but here I come.
- [52:03]
David Benavidez
Yeah, I. I think for me, me, controlled anger was the biggest motivation I had. Because when I walk in the gym, like I said, people looked at me, and I would hear them laugh and be like, oh, this guy, he's not this. He's not that. Oh, we're gonna beat his ass. He's gonna do this and that, right? So that. Having that anger, you know, I would tell myself, my head, all right, they're saying this and that about me. I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna show them. And I've always let that motivate me. I've always. I've always fought in this way that I fought lot, like the way I fight in the ring now. They call me the Monster, because I'm in there, I'm putting pressure. I'm trying to knock people out, because this is the way I had a fight when I was a young kid, because that's the only way that I would win my respect. And it's the same thing now, you know, I mean, I always had that chip on my shoulder, man. And sometimes when you know how to Control that. That could lead you into success. You know, sometimes you need people to say you can't do something. You need people to laugh at you. You need people to say, oh, no, he's nothing. He's never going to be nothing. He's this he's at. Because that's what's going to motivate you and that's what's going to catapult you into the next level.
- [53:04]
Wade
Yeah, man, I love that message. Let's, let's transition and talk about this fight, man. This, this is a big fight for your world title. On November 22, main event. What do you look at this fight and see without, you know, game plan stuff, just in your mind, what does Anthony Yard bring? How do you see the fight kind of playing out in your head? Is this one of those just bangers of a fight? It's a David Morrell style where both guys, y' all are going to go toe to toe and. And whatever happens, happens. Or. Or are we looking at more of a. A technical slick kind of matchup? What do you think?
- [53:33]
David Benavidez
No, for me, every fight, like I just, like I said to you right now, every fight for me, I gotta go in there and give my respect. I gotta give my respect. I have to put it in the mind of the fighter that I fight that, oh, wow, this dude is the monster. If, if they're not thinking like that by the time my fight is done with them, I didn't do my job. I didn't do my job right, you know, so for me, he says, I'm gonna back up. I'm for sure not gonna back up, up. You know, I'm going to take my opportunities. If I see any openings, I'm going to go for the kill. You know what I mean? But what, what I want to do is, you know, I want to make sure that Anthony Yard remembers me for the rest of his life. And, you know, he's going to say that I'm the best fighter in the world. And not only him, everybody else in that division, they're going to see that I'm the best fighter in the world. And, you know, at the end of the day, you know, we're the new. We're the new age gladiators. I don't want to go in there. I don't. I've never been that type of fighter where fighters, where people, the boxing fans go in there, be like, oh, man, that, that fight was kind of boring. Every time I go in there, they're like, man, this is a great fight. I Can't wait to see him again. And it's going to be the same thing. I'm gonna go in there, I'm gonna leave it all on the line. I've been training for like about four and a half months. I've been going hard every single day. So I'm, I'm ready to leave everything in the ring.
- [54:40]
Wade
That's definitely something different about you, David. You, especially for American boxing, you don't see as many guys that take that mentality. Like every fighter has that mentality. Like it's a fight, we got to go in there and lay it all in the line. But you see a, you know, a different mentality from a lot of guys that want to be more technical, slick, don't get hit. You know, the, the Marcus of Queensberry hit and don't get hit, which is obviously everyone's goal. But your attitude and you're. You got some nasty and some spite. That's the stuff that fans love and I think that's the stuff that in the end, boxing should be like, yes, I can go and win a match or I can go and win a fight. And every time you step in, it seems like you want to go in and not just like you said, win a match, match, make the fighter remember your name. That, that gives me cold chills, man. Like that right there is, is some real stuff. Is that stuff you learned again, just sparring some world champions early on, just being like, this is what it is, man.
- [55:29]
David Benavidez
Yeah, definitely. I feel like sometimes the fighters that just want to go in there and just have a technical match and just use Iranian run around the ring is because they, they don't really train as hard as they need to train. You know, for you to go in there, to actually be able to throw as much shots as you can, you know, you have to work really hard. You know, this is not a game where you could just train five, six weeks. You have to. For you to go in there and throw everything for every single round for 12 rounds, you have to train for months and months. And that's, I think that's what sets me apart from other fighters. The fighters don't understand that a two month training camp is not enough. You have to do three, four, even five months. And also what, what motivates me to fight this way is, you know, you remember how it was like when you, when you would see a Manny Pacquiao fight, right?
- [56:15]
Wade
Yeah.
- [56:16]
David Benavidez
When you would see, when you would see an Oscar De La Hoya, you would see a Trinidad. You know, these fighters Going out there, these are the fighters that really brought excitement to the sport, you know, I mean, and that's really. That's the type of fighter that I want to be. I want the young generation to remember me like that, like how I remembered Oscar De La Hoya, Manny PACQUIAO, Roy Jones Jr. And, you know, that's. That's been my motivation, man. And I'm gonna do everything in my power to make sure that that happens. And I'm remembered, you know, and the. I'm remembered as one of the greats of boxing history.
- [56:50]
Wade
I love that transition just for a quick second. I know, obviously, you saw the Canelo Crawford matchup. I know. Now you're at 175. So this. This conversation doesn't necessarily take shape the same way as it maybe did. Did two, three years ago. What did you think of that fight? And now that Crawford did win, I know that's a little bit of a stretch to make, but would that be something you'd ever be interested in?
- [57:12]
David Benavidez
No, to be honest with you, I'm done with 168. You know, I'm a big guy. It was hard for me to make 168.
- [57:20]
Wade
Like, I don't. I don't know how you are at a camp, but I'm 205. I stood next to you, and I'm like, he might be bigger than me, so. Yeah, I understand it. I get it.
- [57:28]
David Benavidez
So. But I was at. At super middleweight for 11 years. You know what I mean? There was no big fights.
- [57:35]
Wade
There was time then. If you wanted to do it, do it then, right?
- [57:38]
David Benavidez
Yeah, there was time then. You know, I was trying to get a fight with Canelo. That never happened. So it's like, you know what? I'm gonna let Crawford gave all his glory. You know what I mean? He went up three different weight classes. Canelo, he didn't let. Let him have his glory, you know, I mean, I hate when people. Somebody does something and then somebody from a different weight class. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna go back down this and that. But, you know, that's all. They're just. Just talking a lot, you know, I mean, I'm not gonna say that I respect Crawford a lot, you know, and I have no business at 168, you know, my. My business is at 175, you know, with. With all these world champions and all these other big fighters, you know, Dimitri, people are to better be of. And maybe even a cruiserweight, you know, I mean, when I go up fight through the Ramirez, so, you know, These, these are what interests me.
- [58:23]
Wade
Come on now. Come on now. That one right there is a banger too. Talk to me about this though, because, because you mentioned other world champions, obviously we're not overlooking Anthony Art at all. But let's say that you know, those matchups can materialize. I know that you've spent some time in the gym with guys like Dimitri Bivol and you're very familiar with that style. Talk to me about what, what opponents you think would, you know, be next on your radar if and when you get the job done on November 22nd.
- [58:52]
David Benavidez
Yeah. So those are, those are fights that we have on the table. Dimitri Bivo, not. So I wasn't number one to fight for him now I was in line to fight for his titles, but because he had that back surgery, that doesn't really look like it's going to happen next. So maybe we're looking at better BF or Sewardo Ramirez.
- [59:12]
Wade
Okay, so right away you're like, you like that cruiserweight division right away potentially.
- [59:16]
David Benavidez
You know, like, like, like you said, I'm trying to have every fight bigger than the last. You know what I mean? And I believe in myself, I believe in my skills. I used to spar studio Ramirez, so I know him very well.
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David Benavidez
After this fight, we go and we could get that fight. Like I said, you know, I'm in a good position because, you know, I've really made a statement for myself and, you know, I'm, I'm really that fighter that could fight the pay per view fights, that could sell out the arenas, that could have these big fights. So I think the other, like Sudo Ramirez, it'll be in his best interest to fight me as well, because that'd be a big fight and we can make it happen. You know, maybe it may fit next year, but first things first. I gotta go in there, take care of my job, Anthony Yard, and then we'll see what's on the table.
- [64:13]
Wade
Table. I love that, man. I, I know that, you know, it's, it's, it's so tough to plan the future when, when you got business to handle right in front of you, but I always think it's such a good idea for fighters to have something in their mind, right, because you always get to the end of that, that fight and, and, you know, God willing, you get the victory and you kind of sit there and you're like, well, whatever's next is next. Sometimes if you're able to create that next thing for fans to latch onto, which you have, it gives them a reason to be excited for that next thing instead of, I, you know, we'll see David whenever, you know, whenever he decides to come back, back, you have that plan involved. I love that. But we'll get back to your, your main event. But I want to ask you one question really quickly. You talked about being on Mount Rushmore, and I keep hearing you talk about greatness, and I wanted to ask you this earlier and I kind of forgot what. Who is on David Benavidez's Mount Rushmore? I know you talked about Manny, you talked about Trinidad, you talked about some of these other fighters. Who are the guys that you looked at and said, those are the best boxers I've ever seen.
- [65:08]
David Benavidez
So I'm gonna go from the old school boxers first I'm gonna do. I like Roberto Duran. I like Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson. I like Alexis Arguello. And then Roy Jones Jr. Yep. Evander Holyfield, Marco Antonio Barrera. Eric Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Manny Pacquiao. So now this is a new age, fighters. Or I forgot Floyd Mayweather. You gotta throw Floyd Mayweather in there.
- [65:49]
Wade
I gotta have Floyd in there.
- [65:50]
David Benavidez
Got to, gotta have Floyd. And now I like Usyk. Usyk is a great fighter. You know, he has tremendous heart and, you know, I feel like he's really the epitome of what a boxer is. Not only just strength and power, but heart. Also. Gennady Golovkin, in a way, Terence Crawford and yeah, yeah, that's, that's really it for right now. But those, those are the guys that really cemented themselves as one of the greatest of all time.
- [66:16]
Wade
Let's do this. Let's do rapid fire really quick before we, we end off with your fight. I know you got some, some friends on this card, so feel free to just tell me, you know what, not picking that fight, but we got four championship fights on this card and I wanted to ask you, who are you going with? Who you leaning toward? Let's start with Bam. Bam Rodriguez and Fernando Martinez. What do you think?
- [66:35]
David Benavidez
Bam. Bam Rodriguez.
- [66:37]
Wade
Knockout.
- [66:40]
David Benavidez
Yeah, I think knockout. Yeah. Late stoppage.
- [66:43]
Wade
Late stoppage. Okay. Abdullah Mason. Sam Noakes.
- [66:46]
David Benavidez
Abdullah Mason. I think mid, mid, mid fight stoppage.
- [66:51]
Wade
Okay. And that would be a big one too, obviously, you know, world title implication there and then, then Sam Noak's a hard hitter too. Not, not, you know, the resume that, that Abdullah has, but still a hard hitter. Devin Haney, Brian Norman Jr.
- [67:04]
David Benavidez
I think Devin Haney wins that fight. I'm leaning more towards a decision, but I wouldn't surprise if there's a knockout. You know, there's a lot of animosity towards these fighters, so sometimes that's what we need to get the knockout out. You know what I mean?
- [67:18]
Wade
So it's going to be a good fight. They met up at the press conference and the head wedgie and the whole thing. I was like, what is going on on here, bro? Yeah, but there is. And even the dad now Bill and Brian Senior are getting involved and it's crazy.
- [67:30]
David Benavidez
So Brian Norman has to get. Brian Norman has to get that back if he's really about it. But you know, I think Devin Haney just has too much experience. So I see Devin Haney winning that fight decision.
- [67:39]
Wade
Okay, so let's, let's now go to your fight. And I love doing this at the End of interviews. It's the main event time. The whole card has delivered. It's your time to deliver. You're in Riyadh. They play your music, you walk out in the ring. Bell rings, Round one. How does it go? Go. David Benavidez versus Anthony Yard.
- [67:57]
David Benavidez
You know, I'm gonna be going there. It's my job to be cautious in the ring because anything can happen, you know, especially in the first rounds. So I'm gonna go in there, I'm gonna download. Download some information, but if I see any openings, I'm definitely gonna take. I'm gonna take the chance, you know, I mean, I do want to make a big statement in this fight. You know, I'm not going to guarantee no knockouts or no stoppages, but I'm definitely going to follow my game plan, and I'm going to be. Be looking to put, you know, as much punishment on Anthony Yard, as much punishment as I possibly can. But, you know, I'm feeling good. Combinations are coming out good. My power is looking good, so I'm definitely looking to have a great performance.
- [68:35]
Wade
I love it, man. Last thing, David, anything you want to say to your fans, people at home that are going to be watching this on November 22nd?
- [68:42]
David Benavidez
Yeah, also, I want to thank everybody for the love and support. And also, I wanted to talk about something that, you know, I basically recently, fairly like two years ago, I really got into, you know, I really. I found my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. And I've been praying a lot, you know, I mean, every single day. You know, I feel like now some people, when. When you have some blessings, you don't have to wait for something bad to happen so you could look for Jesus Christ or, you know, you don't have to look for something, you know, to ask for Jesus Christ to help you. I feel like every day, if you, you know, give, give, you know, the time of day, Lord Jesus Christ, you pray to him at least 10, 20 minutes a day, you know, I feel like you're able. Not able or not, are you only more protected, but you have more strength within yourself. And, you know, this is a testament, you know, that I've made to myself, because I wasn't really religious when I was. When I was younger, I'm not gonna lie. But, you know, I started praying every single day, at least 10 minutes a day. And I've been doing this for, like, about two years. And I feel like this is something I have to speak about because overall, I feel like I'm a stronger person. I'm More motivated, I'm more confident in myself and I know that my family is taken care of. I know that my family is protected. So I feel like this for a reason and I feel like it's my job to tell people that, you know, whatever it is and it doesn't even have to be Jesus Christ, whatever. If you believe in a higher power, power and you give, you know, you give thanks to the blessings for the blessings that you have in your life, I feel like you could co create with God in your head, you know, I mean, just ask them to give you the blessing, ask him to give you the power. And like I say, ask and you shall receive. You know, I mean, I feel like you connecting to the frequency of God is the best thing that you could do for yourself and for your life and it also opens up more opportunities for yourself. So I did something that I've felt myself and I feel like there's something I have to share, care to my people, my fans and the people that follow me. You know, it definitely does work. You know, it's not gonna, it's not something that is gonna work right away or this is something that you really have to be, that you have to do every single day, you know, I mean, but what is it, what is five minutes of your day, you know, I mean, when you wake up, give the thanks to God, ask him to bless your passage, ask him to bless your family with protection and love and he will give it to you.
- [71:00]
Wade
I love that man. That's such an important message, especially in today's day and age, man, where everything else is money, this, views that clout, this. And there's really, there's one central thing there that, that people are missing and I appreciate that. David Benavidez, ladies and gentlemen. He is the main event of the night of champions ring for November 22nd. His WBC light heavyweight championship is on the line versus Anthony Yard. David, thank you so much. We cannot wait to watch you fight.
- [71:27]
David Benavidez
Thank you, brother.
- [71:28]
Wade
All right, so we are back on the way concept presented by the Ring magazine. And today folks, I want to talk about one word, delusion. It exists to a degree I don't think I've ever seen in any other combat sports athlete, maybe Conor McGregor. But I don't really see it even that level when we're talking about what Jake Paul is going to try to do versus Anthony Joshua. Not just beat him, but in Jake Paul's own words. And we'll get into it in a second. He wants to and thinks he will knock Anthony Joshua out cold. And I think a lot of things are happening right now. People are on one end of the spectrum saying Anthony Joshua is going to flatline Jake in under 30 seconds. And if it goes past that, then AJ's a fraud and his time in the sport is done. I don't necessarily agree with that, and I'll explain why later. The other side is going, you know what? Jake might actually catch aj. Jake might actually shock everyone because AJ got put down in his last fight. He got put down by Andy Ruiz. He's been hurt in a couple of different fights. At this point, maybe his chin's completely gone. Jake has the speed and power to still put him down, even at the level Jake is currently residing in, which is only being in the sport for five, five years. I don't really agree with that either. I'm somewhere in the middle. But I'll say this, that word delusion I just talked about a second ago, it's Jake's biggest strength. It's the reason he's even in this fight with aj. It's the reason that he's gotten as good as he has in the short amount of time he's been boxing. But maybe more importantly than that, this may be where his delusion finally leads to the end of Jake Paul's career. Because delusion in this business can get you hurt real bad. And I think for the first time, Jake Paul's delusional idea about how good he is in the sport and what he can do may have led him a bit too far. This is the first time where Jake is in real danger. Say what you want about money and prizes and everything else. This is going to end badly. What do I mean? The breakdown. Let's go. All right, so a couple videos come out since the fight has been announced. Jake put a video out on his channel. We're going to take a look at Brother Logan. Put a video out. We're going to take a look at. And then I want to go into the nuances and really let you guys understand how much a 5 to 6 inch height advantage, you know, 20 to 30 to however much weight advantage AJ will have and just the size and frame of the two. And I want to explain a little bit of why I think Jake isn't necessarily telling the truth when he just says AJ is stiff and plotty and bad footwork and all that stuff that I don't know is true. But where I think Jake is getting that from. Let's take a look.
- [73:50]
Jake Paul
They said said fight a real boxer. They said fight Someone your size, they said, fight a world champion. We looked at a long list of supposed fighters for me to fight. So there I was on a Saturday afternoon in my thirty million dollar mansion.
- [74:08]
Wade
Okay, weird flex, but all right. By the way, if you're a grown man carrying a bedazzled bag around, dude, you got to reevaluate something. These all look like purses. I'm sorry, I, I don't know why you would ever want to be caught carrying that around. As a grown man, I understand fashion is one thing, but, like, this looks like fairy dust. And that looks like something my girlfriend would pack when we go on a trip. I, I, I don't know. I know it's probably worth more than my house, but, like, what are we doing?
- [74:31]
Jake Paul
But as I looked closer at the list, I saw one name that stood out. Anthony Joshua.
- [74:37]
Wade
Anthony Joshua. That's got to be it. Bernard, fire up the jet. I'm going back to training camp. I'm fighting. Anthony Joshua.
- [74:46]
Jake Paul
MVP presents Jake versus Joshua. Judgment Day. December 19th, live from Miami at the Casaya Center. Eight three minute rounds in a professionally heavyweight sanctioned bout.
- [75:00]
David Benavidez
Here we go.
- [75:02]
Jake Paul
And yes, it's live globally on the biggest streaming platform in the world, my good old friends, Netflix. Baby, you guys wanted me to go bigger?
- [75:11]
Wade
How about twice as big?
- [75:13]
Jake Paul
Literally, he's twice as big as Gervonta.
- [75:15]
Wade
He's, he's, go ahead.
- [75:17]
Jake Paul
Six foot six, 260 pounds with an 82 inch reach.
- [75:21]
Wade
I mean, well, he's going to be 245 on the night because he, that's in the contract, apparently, that AJ can't be more than 245, which I, again, I'm not, I have no problem with because you're doing this on short notice. Jake was supposed to fight a guy that was way smaller, and Jake had to be a little bit smaller at 195. Now, now you got to turn around and put on some weight. I get it. Not that Jake was probably walking around at 195. He's probably still like 215, whatever, but still, I get it. And AJ's fought Usyk, a smaller guy at that lower weight, a couple different times as well. So, no, no big deal there to me. But don't advertise him at 260 if you're gonna fight him at 245.
- [75:55]
Jake Paul
Just look at us next to each other.
- [76:00]
Wade
So Jake uses a cut out of aj, which, why does he have that? He uses the cutout of AJ to see the size difference, but there's actually like Them interacting in person. And this was a couple years ago, but you can see the difference. Then they're playing freaking. I don't know what this is. Some sort of like laser tag. And look at this, dude. It looks like AJ is participating in an after school boys and girls club program, dude. He's like, hey, I'm. I'll be your big brother for the day. You know what I mean? He's giving back to the youth. Jake is up to his shoulder.
- [76:33]
Anthony Joshua
You.
- [76:33]
Wade
Know what I mean? Like, that looks like four or five different weight classes away from you each other. And then that's not just a cardboard cutout. That's like how they look. This face off is going to be insane. It really is the difference between Jake and Gervonta. Now Jake becomes Gervonta to Anthony Joshua, right? He went from looking down to looking up. I just can't believe. And this isn't some exhibition, guys. This is a real fucking fight. I don't see how Jake in any way, shape or form thinks he can win outside of the. Again, right hand from the gods. That's the shot right there. Is the right hand from the gods. God's. Unless he thinks he can go and stay at distance and outbox AJ with footwork and every. I don't know, man. It doesn't make any sense.
- [77:13]
Jake Paul
Two time heavyweight champion of the world, an Olympic gold medalist while he was winning Olympic gold. I was filming vines in high school.
- [77:21]
Wade
Are you saying legit legitimately insane, dude. What the.
- [77:26]
Jake Paul
AJ is a knockout artist with fights that have literally.
- [77:29]
Wade
Bro, how did he go from high school? This face, like, look at the difference in Jake's face. That's actually crazy. Don't even look the same person, dude.
- [77:38]
Jake Paul
AJ is a knockout artist with fights that have literally ended in seconds. He fought legends Klitschko, usyk, Ruiz, Ngannou.
- [77:51]
Wade
Biggest shot I have seen live.
- [77:53]
Jake Paul
I'm not gonna lie. I'm a little scared. And yes, little dream. Josh is signed to my enemy, Eddie Hearn. And I know Eddie and all of you naysayers were saying that I wouldn't take this fight.
- [78:05]
Wade
I'm not sure Jake Paul's that crazy. That's a bad idea. AJ's gonna knock him out. He's going to get hurt. This might be a step too far.
- [78:13]
Jake Paul
Talk is cheap, man.
- [78:14]
Wade
Calling Teddy Atlas a hater is crazy. But here's the thing that Jake does very well is he. He very much listens and understands how to respond to quote unquote, hate or doubters and usually goes about Trying to, in his own way, right. With, you know, narratives and other things sometimes prove them wrong. This one I agree with. Teddy Atlas is probably a step too far. And even doing that right, listening to other people say for so long, you won't do this, you won't do this, you won't do this. And then answering that call and doing it almost to a different level than even anyone asked for. Like, no one was like, hey, Jake, you'll be a real boxer when you go and fight Anthony Joshua. People were like, hey, go and rematch. Tommy Fury again, he tried to, didn't work out, but they were like, hey, go and fight someone your age, your size and you know, your experience level. And Jake went, I'll take all those things and then just go to a different level with it. Yeah, I'll fight someone around my age. AJ's 36, Jake's 28, but I'll fight the former gold medalist, two time heavyweight champ, and a guy that, you know, weighs more than me because y' all say I weigh more than all my opponents, which is true. This one is the one where I think he went too far. Trying to convince everyone that he will do the unthinkable and has done the unthinkable. And I just don't see how he hasn't put himself in the most dangerous, most like health risked spot, life threatening, legitimately spot of Jake's career. I mean, that word life twofold. I mean his boxing life and I mean potentially his actual physical health. Oh, to what? Prove Eddie Hearn wrong? I mean, again, I respect it, but I don't know, man. This is dangerous as fuck and we saw what happened. I know that Francis and Jake are different people and we're going to do a full breakdown on the differences there and why Francis was a little bit more susceptible to being knocked out by Anthony Joshua. But I don't know who Jake's taking a page out of. Like, what book is Jake taking a page out of to say, I'm going to beat Anthony Joshua? Is it usyk because Jake doesn't have USYK talent is Andy Ruiz, because one, Jake is not as big as Andy is, and two, I don't think he has the hand speed or again, technical prowess Andy Ruiz has, but he can crack. And I hope, I hope, I hope what Jake is not doing is looking at the Daniel Dubois fight and going, I just have to land a right hand. That's all I got to do. And maybe that's the case and maybe he does land that right hand. But I just Think it's so much more difficult than that. And if you try to blend down AJ to just the right hand, he took a multiple right hands. He took from Dubois and go, man, he's chant is just done. I don't know, maybe that's a massive.
- [80:34]
Jake Paul
Risk, friends, but guess what, you're not alone. My friends and family couldn't even believe I was taking this fight. I'm fighting Anthony Joshua.
- [80:43]
Wade
No. Look at my. Oh no. Are you crazy? What the.
- [80:48]
Jake Paul
Are you scared?
- [80:50]
Wade
No, I'm terrified.
- [80:54]
Jake Paul
I'm fighting Anthony Joshua. Yes. The big boy.
- [81:01]
Wade
No way, dude.
- [81:02]
Jake Paul
Yeah, I'm serious.
- [81:04]
Wade
What's the world gonna say when you.
- [81:06]
David Benavidez
Knock his ass up?
- [81:07]
Wade
Because it's gonna happen.
- [81:08]
Jake Paul
I know it's gonna happen too.
- [81:09]
Wade
Jake Paul. Excuse me. See, that's a little bit of a different thing than I'm gonna go in and like outbox AJ and you know, like keep it at boxing range and use my feet and try to, you know, jab. Maybe a Devin Haney style jab. Footwork. Jab, footwork. Stay on the outside again. Jake can't even really stay on the outside because he up 6 inches in reach as well. But he's actively like, yes, I am going to knock out aj. And in any other timeline we'd all point and laugh and some people still are pointing and laughing, but I'm just sitting here going, what has he seen that makes him believe that not only of what's happened to AJ? Sure he's been knocked out by Daniel Dubois, another 240 pound champion of the world, but what has he seen in himself that makes him think he's going to knock out AJ when he hasn't knocked out anyone since Mike Perry. And Mike Perry, as we know, is not a high level boxer. He hasn't knocked out a high. A high level box. He could hurt Julio Cesar Chavez, but Chavez knew to cover up and not engage. Maybe he thinks AJ will engage with him and AJ does do some bad things. In the pocket again. We'll save it for another video. But the only thing I can think of, and I said it at the beginning of this video, is Jake is absolutely delusional and he's convinced himself of what's going to happen based on very outlying data. Right, The Danny Dubois knockout, how he struggled with Usyk. Hey, who are you fighting?
- [82:21]
David Benavidez
When and why?
- [82:21]
Jake Paul
I'm fighting Anthony Joshua because I'm fucking him. What? I'm fighting Anthony Joshua because I'm him.
- [82:32]
Wade
Holy. Holy. Just let me take a second. Is this out of.
- [82:38]
Jake Paul
Dude, it's Light work. Light work. Well, at least my good old friend Tyson Fury believes that I can win.
- [82:46]
Wade
If Jake Paul fights anti Joshua. I'm putting a million quid on Jake Paul. I want some free money.
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- [82:50]
Jake Paul
Smart man. Tyson.
- [82:52]
Wade
I need to see a bet slip. Tyson, I know you got it like that these days and millions. Like a, you know, like a slight 10,000 to the rest of us, but. Or maybe a thousand after those couple of title fights with Alexander Usyk. But I need to see the bet slip. I saw the line when, and this is kind of crazy, I saw the line when the fight first got made and we put it in the video. Jake was plus 800 to win. Jake has now moved to plus 650 to win. That's outright, I don't know, by knockout, I'm not sure. But Plus 800 was already like, okay, that's, you know that that's a big underdog. And Joshua was like -1500. But now Josh was at -1250 and Jake's at +650. This line is closing and I'm wondering why. What are people seeing?
- [83:31]
Jake Paul
Make no mistake, this is the biggest fight of my career. I'm walking into the lion's den. I'm doing something that no one else has ever done before. I, Jake Joseph Paul, will knock out, defeat and embarrass ANTHONY Joshua. Friday, December 19th live on Netflix. My voice cracked. I'm still going through puberty. The biggest fight of 2025, USA versus UK. He's got the belts, the size, the history, but I have the balls. Be careful what you wish for. Jake versus Joshua Judgment Day. He has a 90% knockout ratio, but I have 100% chance of drinking this Celsius.
- [84:10]
Wade
Okay, there we go. Ads only. Yeah, I mean, having balls is good when it comes to making a fight like this, when it comes to, you know, putting yourself out there and again, just operating on self belief. But it isn't going to win Jake this fight. Him being ballsy is not going to win him this fight. Like him making the decision to take this fight is ballsy. And we can all say it and we have said it and I feel like it's starting to become a thing where it's like that's the only thing we're saying. Feel like everybody is just pointing out that Jake has big balls for doing this and it's a ballsy move and that's correct. But we, we established that already. So now let's talk about the fight itself. What about Jake's ballsiness is going to win him, this fight, the fact that he wants to throw, the fact that he'll mix it up. That may be the worst thing that Jake could do, is mix it up with Anthony Joshua. Because again, you get into 50, 50s with a guy that can crack like he can, 90% finish rate, he'll put you on the canvas. He's done it to so many other heavyweights. And, yes, AJ sometimes is the one that gets clipped in exchanges like that, with the left hook especially. But we'll do a more comprehensive breakdown in the future. I've just. It better be more than that. It better be something they are seeing. Outside of just AJ's chin, how do you get to it? That's the real question. If you think his chin is suspect, can you get to it? And how many times are you going to get the opportunity before he gets to you? How do you weigh that? Everything else, anyway, Logan actually made a video where he talked to Daniel Cormier of all people. Dc, my guy. And here's what the consensus of fighters are starting to say about this. AJ and Jake fight.
- [85:35]
Anthony Joshua
Dude, it's real.
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- [85:37]
Wade
There's got to be some rules in place for Anthony.
- [85:39]
Jake Paul
Not too.
- [85:40]
Wade
Dude, I don't think there's rules. Come on. I swear to God. I keep telling people this, right?
- [85:44]
Anthony Joshua
This is where people up, especially these MMA dudes.
- [85:47]
Wade
I keep saying, stop treating Jake like he's. Is D.C. wearing a picture of D.C. on, like, embroidered. Holding a golf flag stick on his shirt? Is that like his own merch or is that something I'm missing? Because the guy does look a little bit, you know, portly, a little heavyset. How does it look like Tiger Woods? It looks like Tiger foods, you know, Not a boxer. Yeah. It's been five years now of pure boxing with great coaches and great training partners. He's gotten a lot better. He's got a lot better. He can fight, man.
- [86:15]
Jake Paul
Yeah, but what about Anthony Joshua?
- [86:17]
David Benavidez
That's bad, bro.
- [86:21]
Wade
Say that like that. Like Francis. Like, Francis went and fought him.
- [86:25]
Jake Paul
Oh, I said, jake, I said, did you see what he did to Francis?
- [86:29]
Wade
He's like, Francis is light work, too. Here's also. Oh, my God.
- [86:33]
Devin Haney
He is kind of crazy.
- [86:34]
Wade
Francis wasn't training boxing at the level. Yeah, we get it.
- [86:38]
David Benavidez
Because.
- [86:39]
Wade
Because I would imagine if Jake gets hurt, he knows how to hold like a boxer. Because in boxing, you know, you got to go clinch when you get hurt. Francis was kind of like, just standing there. Listen to me right here.
- [86:48]
Anthony Joshua
Let me tell you this.
- [86:48]
Wade
He fights Anthony Joshua with no parameters. In place. Y' all better give Jake Paul this credit.
- [86:53]
Jake Paul
Yeah, I will.
- [86:54]
David Benavidez
Because that's.
- [86:54]
Wade
It's brave Queen. It's a fair take right there from dc. He made a couple of good points. Number one, the idea that Jake is fighting AJ with no parameters, but being all credit to Jake. We've all established that, right? That's. That's number one. The other thing that D.C. knows, which, a lot of people that fight Jake underestimate him to a. A massive degree, and they get surprised on fight night. Whatever you want to say about the opponent selection, about where they're at in their careers versus where they were in their primes, or the size difference, whatever, there's only been a few guys that took Jake seriously and, and didn't look at him as the quote unquote, YouTuber. Guys like Tommy Fury, Anderson Silver, obviously Mike Perry. Other people didn't really do that, right? Other people, even Nate Diaz kind of looked at him like, ah, you know, we'll see. But Jake has been doing this, D.C. says five years. It's been more like six, almost seven years that Jake has been actively training and fighting in boxing. So the more you underestimate him by going, oh, you know, he's green, he's a YouTuber, he still got some skill, he still has some technique, maybe not the highest level. And again, because you can. Can't make up for lost time, as much money and time as Jake has thrown at this, there's still a gap of 18 to 19 years where he didn't even think about boxing. So there is going to be a skill gap there, but he's making it up rather quickly, and they believe he has the skill level to, to hang with aj, which I, I think is crazy. But I do like the, the, the idea that DC's bringing up here, like, you better not underestimate him. And I hope that aj, who has kind of been around this scene with KSI guy, even with Jake before, he's been around some of the influencers. I hope he understands that. Again, I know this is crazy to say, but you can't just treat him like anybody, like what AJ treated Francis like, dead serious. I'm here for a job. I'm going to show up and flatline you. That's the way he has to enter this fight with Jake. You can't come in like, ah, we're just going to move about like, this will be fun. No. And I don't expect AJ to do that because I watched him flatline Francis after Francis came in and put down Tyson Fury and kind of made a mockery of boxing. AJ's like, Let me go ahead and get that back for the Marcus of Queensberry. That's a good point from dc. The second good point is that, you know, we keep doing this thing where we compare the AJ Francis fight to AJ and Jake and again we go back to that experience. Francis was not a polished boxer and we'll do a full breakdown on that fight and I'm going to show you guys where AJ picked up on very quickly. Francis was out of his depth and it was very simple things that AJ did in the sense of boxing that Francis had never seen before. To put Francis on his ass multiple times and eventually hit him with the one hitter quitter. Jake's going to be a little bit tougher to fool. But again, they both have boxing tools, they both know how to make boxing reads. What it's going to come down to now is that even Jake doesn't have the time and reps and experience and, and speed, power and ability, honestly that that AJ has in this sport. So what makes up the ground for Francis? It was size and power and a little bit of speed. Jake doesn't have any of that. I mean, he has speed, he does have power, but he doesn't have it to that level. So is it going to be his feet? Is it going to be like, what, what's your ex X factor to get you to the point where you're dangerous for aj, right? The only real danger for AJ is this massive pressure on him to shut Jake up, stop him, don't even make this look competitive. And if you want to say that's pressure and you know, we've seen AJ and pressure cookers before. He's performed well in some, not so much in others. But this is not like championship pressure. This is, you better do away with the quote unquote, YouTube. Will that affect AJ? I, I, I don't think so. I think he again had the same pressure with Francis, but he went and, and did the business there. But good points from dc. Again, a realistic look there, like, better take him seriously serious, because if you don't, he can expose you, he can make you look bad. And again, we've already said if, if Jake goes three rounds, it looks bad, right? It kind of does for the former two time heavyweight champion of the world. If Jake survives the whole thing, Jesus Christ, it looks awful, right? A.J. might have to retire. If Jake survives the whole thing, like that's how bad this would look. You got to take him serious and just One more thing before we get out of here. You know, I started this video talking about the delusion of Jake Paul and how it's his greatest strength, but potentially his, his great greatest weakness as well. Right. And, and I think this, this will be the fight where it potentially showcases why it's a, it's a weakness, right? It's. It can be a weakness. Right? Delusional people in most walks of life, they're so deeply entrenched in what they believe that they will be successful to some degree, and sometimes to a degree we can't even understand because of that delusion. But eventually they run into an answer that they didn't expect. Right. Jake kind of ran into that with Tommy Fury and that had to be reset and now his confidence again is at an all time high. Delusional confidence, I would say. And I think he's going to run into an issue here. But the question about why he's at that point where he's like, yes to the AJ fight. I mean, yes, money, viewers, everything else, but it's also because he believes in this right hand. Let me take you back to a clip from when Jake was sparring for Mike Tyson. Now again, he's not sparring a high level heavyweight here, not sparring a guy that's ever won a world championship, competed for one, ever been probably top 50 or 100. But what he does here is what he believes he can do to AJ. Guy hits him with a 1, 2, doesn't really hit him with it. Jab lands, right hand. Jake kind of rolls, guy gets a little cocky with him. Kind of drops his guard a little bit. Boom, right hand over the top, nasty overhand. My man does the stanky leg one time, turns into a B boy, bang. And it's that quick off the back foot in probably 18 ounce gloves with headgear on, Boom, on the chin, drops the guy again. Other factors at play here. This guy is walking onto the shot, shot, guards down, thinking, yeah, I just landed that one too. Let me the arm for some reason, step in on this jab and throw it again. Except Jake gets underneath it and clips him right on the chin. Can that happen in the AJ fight? Yeah, it can. Guess why? Because AJ has a pattern of hurting people. Andy Ruiz, hell, even Francis and Ganu. If you go back and watch that fight, which we will, clipped him with a left hook. After AJ hurt Francis and then tried to swarm form him. There are times where AJ loses his form, especially when he's on the attack after he's hurt someone, there are moments where he loses his form, drops his hands and wants to swing with his chin up in the air and his head on center line. And again, the Dubois fight, the first time AJ gets dropped, he's throwing a combination, circling out with his hand low, no defense. And Dubois clips him with an overhand on the chin. And AJ hits the cam. This is why Jake believes he cannot knock him out 1000%. It's the combination of him going. And I'm not just talking about this instance. There's probably more spars behind the scenes where Jake has had a success with heavyweights and he probably generalizes the guys he's seen with aj and maybe there's some connection there. Hey, he's got heavyweights in camp. Hey, yeah, I sparred, you know, Klitschko, I sparred aj, I sparred this heavyweight, that heavyweight. And I did okay with them. And they weren't that power. You hit harder than that heavyweight. Those talks happen. And these sparring partners may be telling Jake and that may or may not be true. That could be them to trying, trying to make more money in camp or be there for longer or whatever else. But again, someone like Jake takes that, takes the fact that he's dropped that guy, takes the fact that AJ's been dropped in his last fight, knocked out, takes all this talk about how Jake won't fight the guy we want him to fight. Jake is not on the level he thinks he is. Jake is only fighting old, retired MMA guys, older retired boxers, smaller boxers, not in his weight class, not at his age, not at his skill level. And all this morphs into, fuck it, I'm ready now, not I'm ready in the future, not. We may do it in 2026. I'm ready now to make that statement. And that's why I think Jake is taking this fight. I think that's why Jake believes what he says. Like, people will get in this comment section later and say Jake doesn't even believe he'll knock him out. He's just doing this for the payday. You're wrong. I 1000% guarantee you Jake thinks he's going to knock him out. Do I think Jake will knock him out? No. I think that's far less probable than the reality of this fight being Jake getting hurt very badly, but I believe he thinks it 100%. And now we go to the other side of that delusion, which is the big weakness of it, which all that stuff combined. The reason Jake thinks the way he does, you can get surprised in a big way. When what you think and what you believe is not reality. I think that's what is probably going to happen in this fight. I mean, you look at AJ Sim working with Ben Davidson and he doesn't move like a regular heavyweight at that size and frame. Like he's a big, powerful, fast dude. Man, he is fast and he's got a reach on him. And while he's using his inside fighting here, I think he's best when he's utilizing his jab and then getting to the right hand. But you see, you know, yeah, okay, maybe A.J. doesn't move like a cruiserweight or he doesn't move like a, a light heavyweight. But I don't see, this is just MIT work. But I don't see stiffness. I don't see slope low. I see fast and powerful. I see dangerous with both hands. Right. I see clubbing shots and I see speed shots. I see up and down shots. We'll get into more videos where AJ does this in his fights. Go back and watch the Francis fight and watch how he walked Francis under the pool right hand and how efficiently AJ set it up and landed it. Go back and watch him even in the Dubois fight when he was hurt multiple times and still dangerous after being down on the canvas three or four times, wobbling Dubois in the fifth round of that fight. And I don't think Jake hits like Dubois does. But that's not the point. The point is it's not as easy as just the guys that Jake has dropped in sparring. It's not as easy as I can.
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Wade
NMLS 910-4547 Punch like a heavyweight. Because I've seen the guys across from me in sparring ajob, no different. That dude is different. A genetic freak. And if the only thing you're banking on is he doesn't have a chin, this could be the most rude wake up call I've ever seen in boxing. Legitimately. This, this could be one of the most damaging fights you have ever seen in boxing. Career ending, life alter. And I'm not saying that as a joke. I, I legitimately think that could be a possibility at play here. Which is why again, you have to give respect, respect for, to Jake for doing it. And you look at the way AJ approached the Francis Ngannou fight, you have to respect that as well. But that's it, folks. We're gonna wait and see what this first press conference looks like tomorrow. As you see this video, the press conference will be tomorrow. We'll break that down, come back. But the word of the day today was delusion in the form of Jake Paul's mindset. Will it be his greatest strength and propel him to do something that almost no one thinks he can do in this AJ fight? Or will it be the reason for his perpetual down downfall in taking this fight with AJ and thinking he was ready and not only being exposed, but being hurt very, very badly. I tend to lead toward the latter, but I don't have those answers. So we're only 30 days away. I think as I record this video, December 19th is coming soon. I guess we'll find out. All right, so we are back on the Wade concept presented by the Ring magazine. And folks, Jake Paul, Anthony Joshua has felt like a fever dream up to this point. I can't even really put into words how unimaginable this fight would have been two, three years ago, let alone even now. I mean, we are talking about the former two time heavyweight champion of the world and Jake Paul that's had 13 fights and none of them gets a top 40 fighter in the world in his own weight class, let alone one of the greatest heavyweights of this generation. So with that being said, it was hard to wrap my mind around this thing even being real as it was announced as both guys signed on the dotted line. But today, folks, it's real. It's actually happening. We have our first Press conference for Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua. And I think the tone has been set. What do I mean? Jake Paul, Anthony Joshua press conference breakdown and why? I think for the first time in Jake Paul's career, he stood in front of a real killer. And reality is setting in. He may have made a terrible mistake. What do I mean? The breakdown. Let's go make some noise for the one and only Anthony Joshua. He's a fucking monster dude. Even before, and we're gonna get to, at the end of this thing, them standing face to face even before you see that this dude is a unit. This, this dude is just a legitimate monster of men. Six, six, 250 plus pounds. And again, I know he's supposed to weigh in at 245, but as we'll learn in a second, no rehydration clause, meaning AJ can go up to 255, 260 if he feels like it. Again, it's so hard for me to even conceptualize it being real, but it is. And there he is on stage in sane. He's the one and only, the problem child. Jake Paul. Jake Pauler. Oh, whoa. Okay, fit check time. Because we usually do this with Jake's press conferences. He gets crazy with the fits and most of the time they're nonsensical. I gotta give him credit. I don't know what, what's going on with the pants and the shirt, all that. That necklace, while I would never wear it, I couldn't pull it off. I'm an unk. I have no swag, I have no style. This dude has got, and I saw this on his Instagram, he got a 50 cal diamond studded bullet. All of them are diamonds, but the 50 cal in the middle, looking like killmonger off Black Panther dude. This dude is army fatigued. Out the 50 cal bullet in the middle, that's nasty work. And the entire message behind the fit, I respect it. It's war. Jake, I'm going to start with you and I want to ask this question and I hope you know it comes from the most sincere and, and, and respectful place, population possible. Are you all right, my man? Have you lost your mind? This is Anthony Joshua that you just called out. You're fighting Anthony Joshua in less than a month. Why are you doing this?
- [103:58]
Jake Paul
I like to challenge myself. I like to take on the biggest, the best. I said anyone, anytime, any place. I truly mean that. And I'm here to go out there and shock the world. I know what I'm capable of. I see him and what he's capable of and we're going to go to war and we'll see see the best man that will win. But people say, oh, he's out of his mind. All of these things. I've gotten to where I'm at today because of delusional optimism. And so it's delusion until it's not. Because look at where we're sitting today. No one ever thought that this would be possible, that we would be here when I first started boxing. And no one thinks I'm going to win. So join the list and be ready to be shocked.
- [104:36]
Wade
Yeah, okay. This is a great little message to start out for Jake. And again, he is right. And I can talked about this in my last video. Jake's delusion has allowed him to reach places that normal people and people that don't think more of themselves than reality states they potentially can do, won't get. So Jake gets all the credit for that in the world. Again, I don't know how many times I've said that, but illusion can also get you killed in this sport. And I mean that legitimately too. Like, I, I, I've seen people die in boxing. It's happened right in this sport. People have had serious bodily injuries and unfortunately some people have, have passed. And I'm again, I'm not trying to be morbid about it, but delusion can take you so far until you do run into reality. And Jake said, you know, it's only delusion until it's not. I agree with him, but I mean it in a different way. I think this time delusion has led him into a place where reality dictates he's going to be separated from consciousness unless AJ shows up. Just out of sorts, uncharacteristic again. He's been in big pressure cookers, but maybe the pressure, I don't know, I just don't see a way logically where you can pick Jake Paulson surviving this fight. Genuinely. Aj, my man. Femi. It's good to see you. It's great to see you. How did this come across your radar? And could I ask what was your initial reaction when you found out that there was a possibility of fighting Jake Paul this year on Netflix.
- [105:53]
Anthony Joshua
Thank you for having me. Well, you got to give credit to Jake and his team. They reached out to me, to be fair, and it was a great opportunity for, for me. So it's an opportunity for me to fight. I wanted to take 12 years out, 12 months out the game, 12 years out.
- [106:09]
Wade
Jesus, AJ, you take 12 years out you come back, that would be the age of a lot of Jake. Okay, coming back, Jake Ball. Mike Tyson, too, son.
- [106:17]
Anthony Joshua
And I done that. And then it was time to get back to work. So I was planning on fighting anyway, and actually, I would have been fighting this weekend if I had my way. And this opportunity presented itself. And I said, yeah, why not? It's great. I think it's massive. It's colossal. It's making big news. We're bringing marketability together with ability. Those two worlds collide. You got Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua. And we're here in Miami. We're bringing Europe, Africa, Asia, Nigeria, the whole world together to watch this show on Netflix. It's going to be phenomenal. And that's. That's how we ended up here, basically. Two guys that just want to put on a good show.
- [106:57]
Wade
You can't really fault AJ for doing this. I mean, this is a slam dunk opportunity outside of the fact that he's going to have massive pressure, which we'll talk about in this video, and AJ will. And there's times where, under massive pressure, AJ has crumbled. Now, again, it's been different pressure. It's been, you know, the Usyk fights or even the Dubois fight or the Andy Ruiz fight the second time around, especially even the second time around where he just essentially was relegated to a jab. There are times where AJ sometimes falters on those moments, but he at least tests himself in them. But when you're talking about a Jake Paul fight, he was already, according to aj, and I think he actually means he was going to fight on the ring four card. I think that was supposed to be like a surprise fight that was going to happen, and he was just going to do, you know, a fight versus, I think they said, a top 100 guy at heavyweight. So AJ was going to knock the guy fucking spark out cold. El Sparco. So it doesn't really matter. Like, is it a bad fight for him to be doing this with Jake if that's what he was going to go and do anyway? You're going to get far more eyeballs. You're going to get guy that's not a true heavyweight in Jake Paul, and you're going to get, you know, sponsorship, all this stuff. But the. The potential for AJ to get the attention back on himself for his last run at heavyweight, for the amount of money he's going to get for this, is no brainer. Your longtime promoter Eddie Hearn was saying, like, we don't think that he is crazy enough. Jake is Crazy enough to take this fight. Was that your initial reaction as well? Like, yeah, this is all nice, it's nice to talk, but ultimately he is not crazy enough to fight me.
- [108:15]
Anthony Joshua
I don't think Jake's crazy crazy. I think Jake's a logical person. He knows what he can do. He knows something within himself, and he's got good people around him that know something about Jake that maybe a lot of us sitting here don't know. For example, I know a lot about myself that many guys don't know. All he needs is belief in himself. All I need is belief in myself.
- [108:36]
Wade
AJ's like, I'm a reader on the weekends. Y' all didn't know that about me. Like, of course we know what AJ is. He a fucking killer at heavyweight. He's a monster. He's a guy that's, you know, come from rough background and fought his way to the belt, Fought his way to a gold medal, refought his way to the belt again, we know. But no, let's be honest about it. Jake does have a screw loose. He is a little crazy. Yes, it's logical for the business side of things to take an Anthony Joshua fight, because this will be a massive fight. It'll sell out, they'll do crazy numbers on Netflix. Both guys will get a massive bag. But that's all before the bell goes. When the bell goes, he still has to fight. And that's where the crazy, unhinged side of Jake comes in. That's where the, you know, delusional optimism or the delusional self belief comes in. Where most people scared for their health or an understanding of the levels that are at play here. And the, the. The weight of this kind of fight would say, not even just literally, but, you know, metaphorically would say, yeah, that's a little too much. Jake is, like I said, got a screw look loose, and everybody knows it. What is it about his game, though, that makes you confident that you can shock the world and beat him?
- [109:40]
Jake Paul
Yeah, look, he's one of the best heavyweights ever. But I believe that fighting a smaller man is oftentimes harder as a heavyweight because of the speed difference and because of the foot speed, because of the angles, because of the head being off the center. And so all of that power is great. And he's knocked people out. I just have to avoid that one shot for eight rounds, and I believe that I can do that. I know I can pick him apart and score points and make this a very, very big contest. People say, oh, I respect Jake Paul for Getting in there. No, respect me, because I'm about to win.
- [110:18]
Wade
All right? What Jake has seen, just based off his comments there, he has seen Usyk dance on aj, especially in the first. First fight, dance on him, right? He talks about foot movement, he talks about angles, he talks about his jab, he talks about moving his head off center. These are things that Usyk tormented AJ with and then eventually brought the power in, I guarantee you. And again, I know it sounds crazy. It is crazy for Jake to think he can fight on the level that Alexander Usyk fights at, because everybody else, even the smaller guys that AJ has fought, he's controlled them with his jab because he's six six and has like an 84 inch reach or something if he really wants to, which would be the probably worst and most boring style of doing this fight. AJ could probably just keep Jake on the end of a jab and win the fight with a decision, and we all go, what the fuck was that? But I'm just saying, he's done that before. He did it with Ruiz in the second fight, and even in the second Usyk fight, AJ looked a little better trying to deal with that style. I think this would be a more interesting conversation had AJ never fought someone like Usyk, so that we could see what happens when they fight and so AJ could adjust. Jake is not Usyk. I don't know if that needed to be said, but it's just not the truth. And yes, you can try to take things that he did successfully, but I don't know, man. Jake was sitting down like you were locked in on him. You were zeroing in on him. I would imagine maybe one of the first times you've seen him in person.
- [111:34]
Anthony Joshua
I want that chain.
- [111:35]
Wade
Okay.
- [111:36]
Anthony Joshua
Dancing is dancing.
- [111:40]
Wade
He said them diamonds is dancing over there, Jake. I mean, true.
- [111:43]
Anthony Joshua
I mean, I'm like, give me that.
- [111:46]
Jake Paul
We going to war, baby. This 50 cows going in your head.
- [111:51]
Wade
Okay, Jake, that's the energy I need. Talk to him now.
- [111:55]
Jake Paul
I'll put the chain on the line. Oh, I'll put the chain on the line, but you got to put something on the line.
- [112:00]
Anthony Joshua
I'll put my chain on the left.
- [112:03]
Wade
Jake should have asked for one of AJ's belts. Listen, I have seen Jake throughout his career do the betting game, and I. I know his tendencies. I'm surprised he might do it. And if he does, does in the next press conference or sometime during fight week, I want my credit, but I'm surprised he didn't go, yeah, I'll put my necklace on the Line. If you put one of your belts. Take one of your belts. Whatever one you don't. Whatever sanctioning body you can't stand anymore. Give me that wbc. Give me that wb, whatever. I want that belt.
- [112:28]
Anthony Joshua
He's here to do his job. I could sit up here, as I said, and try and address all the things that Jake doesn't do good, but I'm fighting Jake. That's going to do everything good on December 19th. So let me focus on that. He's a good person, does his thing, great team around him, puts in the work, and that's why he's sitting here now. Anyone out there in the world that works harder than the next person deserves to be a front runner. And he's a front runner in the boxing game right now.
- [112:53]
Wade
All right, now you're glazing aj. No, I'm playing. People are gonna say that, and I'm probably gonna say that in the comments, like, damn, okay, AJ's glazing too much. Is he not taking him? I think that's an indication that. That AJ is approaching this seriously. I know that sounds kind of weird, but not even going into, like, the easy route of, you know, when Ariel's trying to set him up to be like, what's Jake even thinking, like, doing this? And AJ could easily be like, yeah, he's not on my level. Do the whole He's a YouTuber thing. I'm going to introduce him to the real boxing. I'm going to put his face in the dirt, whatever. But AJ is keeping this more cordial. Again, I think is a respect to Jake because Jake is there taking the fight, whatever. But also just to keep his mindset on the fact that he still has to do a job. You keep hearing him, I'm doing a job. I'm a hired hitman. I'm doing a job here. That kind of focus is where he needs to be. Getting into the mud and doing the whole back and forth with Jake and even taking some of the bets can get you off that game and can add that pressure onto you. What AJ's doing is saying, there ain't no PR. I'm just going to come in and do a job like I would if it was somebody else with no name across from me. I'm taking this dude serious because this is my. My fight, you know, my career. So I. I like that approach from aj. Jake, can I ask, you know, it feels to me from afar, you're in a bit of a lose lose here because it seems like a lot of people What? I'll let Ariel explain. But there is no way, shape or form. The only way, and the most dangerous part of this is that Jake gets, like, legitimately hurt. Career altering hurt. That would be the lose lose. But if Jake gets knocked out and obviously his health is okay, you know, knock on wood, we don't want anyone to come out of here permanently. I mean, again, that's probably not public sentiment, but I actually like Jake. I like Anthony Joshua. I think they're cool dudes, but that's the only real loop lose here for Jake because he is not expected to win a second of this fight, let alone a round or a couple of rounds or the fight itself.
- [114:39]
David Benavidez
But I don't.
- [114:39]
Wade
I don't see a lose lose for Jake. People want to see you get obliterated, right? A lot of people want to see you get your comeuppance. And if you do pull off the upset or if this fight goes the distance again, the whispers will start to come. People will discredit you. People will say, ah, this, that, and the other about the fight. How do you balance that and how do you deal with that?
- [114:56]
Jake Paul
Man, I've already won at every single thing in life. I'm playing on house money. I've accomplished all my dreams, said everything I was gonna do, from becoming, you know, the first influencer to become an actor on Disney, to becoming the biggest YouTuber in the world, to rising to the top of boxing and having the largest viewed fight in the history of the sport. I've accomplished everything. So this is a win, win. And another challenge for myself.
- [115:23]
Wade
I don't actually think they did have the highest viewed fight in the sport. I still think that belongs to the Rumble in the Jungle. But we have crossed all the infinite earths to get to this specific earth where we reside, where Jake was on the path to becoming a Disney star and took a sidetrack and became a boxer that has a fight with Anthony Joshua. It's nuts, dude. Even hearing him talk about it, it's nuts.
- [115:45]
Jake Paul
I've never been knocked down or knocked out, even in spite of sparring, but I'm in a sport where that happens. And I know this is dangerous, but this is no different than a soccer player, you know, losing.
- [115:58]
Wade
By the way, did you guys hear that? This is a very important thing that I think we should pay attention to. Listen to what Jake just said.
- [116:03]
Jake Paul
I've never been knocked down or knocked out even in sparring, but I'm in a sport where that I've never been.
- [116:10]
Wade
Knocked down or knocked out even in sparring, there is a reality that most guys in the boxing space don't face until they do. Right. He talked about earlier. Delusional is only until it's not. Jake hasn't been hurt yet. I mean, maybe he's been hurt, like pain, wincing, who knows? But broken nose, he hasn't been wobbled yet in a fight. And apparently, according to him, even in sparring, if the first time that you get hurt, wobbled, dropped is against Anthony Joshua, how in the world do you deal with that mentally, physically? He hasn't even experienced it yet. And I'm not saying that. Oh, yeah, Jake, you should feel what it's like to get dropped, but it changes you. Everything about that fight can change. And what, one instant, yes, he's lost a fight, but he's never felt real, quote, unquote, failure in terms of being sparked out. And I think, again, it's not a bad thing because thank goodness he still has his health. But it can be in this matchup because that delusion that, you know, my chin is iron, I'm never gonna get hurt. That mentality that he kind of does need to have against AJ could get him walked onto a punch that shuts the lights off. And are you still being trained by Ben Davidson? Lee Wy, will Ben be in your corner on the 19th of December?
- [117:19]
Anthony Joshua
So, no, I won't be trained by Ben Davison. I said that London's a bit distracting for me, so I was invited to train with Team Usyk. So I've been in Spain. We've been doing some good training now in Spain.
- [117:31]
Wade
Yeah, buddy. It's over, dog. Hey, I'm gonna tell you right now, it's over, dude. Yes, it can take a while to ingrain yourself with a new camp, but if AJ has gone to Camp Usyk and his training with Usyk's coaches, I don't see how that's not in net benefit. First off, love Ben Davidson. Really helped out with Tyson Fury coming back out of retirement to fight Wilder. Helped out getting Anthony Joshua's confidence back, but never felt like the right fit for him moving forward. And AJ has been with a ton of different trainers at this point. Been a ton of different, but going to the guy that was smaller, had better footwork, outbox you to get you prepared for a smaller guy that's going to try to use better footwork to outbox. He's probably the best thing he could have done. We all know AJ is a destroyer, but sometimes he gets in his head a little bit too much sometimes he does more thinking and, you know, trying to analyze than fighting. He does need to be a destroyer in this fight, but he also needs to know what he's walking in there with. And Jake's going to be a little. He's going to try to be a little tricky and I think try to walk AJ into the big right hand. That's what I think is get the big man's forward momentum to walk forward, hold the right hand as I, you know, off the back foot. And Jake does have some decent timing with it. But training with the team that prefers produced the best heavyweight of this era. Bro, pack it up. It's over, dude. But damn, that's a good team to be with. Does any part of you relish the opportunity of perhaps ruining some big plans for AJ and the team in 2026?
- [118:52]
Jake Paul
Yeah. 100. It's. It's a massive mistake to look past this. Seriously. I'm. I'm putting a stint in all of those plans. Don't book anything. Don't arrange flights and hotels. I'm knocking this guy out, becoming the CEO of matchroom Boxing and changing the plans. And it's going to be me versus Tyson Fury next year.
- [119:15]
Wade
I like that he said, I'm going to be the new boss of matchroom, new CEO. That's a little shot at Eddie Hearn. And I'm going to wreck all the plans for big he in the Ring magazine to get what we have now learned. It's not really a secret. Now they want to have AJ fight in February against somebody not sure. And then in the summer have finally AJ vs Tyson Fury and Jake's trying to wreck all those plans. He said he was going to put a stint in the plans. And I don't know if he knows anything about stints, but stints actually open up blood, like blocked blood flow and help with blood clotting so that you actually, Jake kind of was like, I'm going to open up the plans, but to put a stint in that means that the plans are going to. They're going to flow real smooth. I don't know if he misspoke there, but I like the confidence. Again, it's delusional confidence. I do believe, believe Jake believes that, that he's going to do whatever he says he's going to do and stomp AJ or knock him out or, you know, beat him and then go and take the plans that AJ had. And I agree with him that it would be a mistake to overlook this moment and treat Jake as if he doesn't if he's the same level of boxer as, as Francis Ngannou, you better treat Jake even more serious in my opinion, than you treat Francis. And people are going to say that's crazy, Wade. But Francis was big and he was strong. Couldn't box very well, at least not on the left level of even Jake Paul. Jake's a better boxer than Francis is, no doubt about it. Can he hit as hard? No. Is he as tall, big, strong? No. But again, in 10 ounce gloves, you never know what can happen at heavyweight especially. So just, you know, AJ showing up, not taking this seriously, not training and overlooking and how, how do I get ready for Tyson Fury? That would be a mistake for sure. And that would be the, the, the one way that he could get caught and this whole thing could flip the boxing world upside down. Down. So that I agree with Jake on.
- [120:53]
Jake Paul
Yeah, I mean, look at, look at the last time they came to America and what the plans they had were. Andy Ruiz stopped that. So this is Andy Ruiz 2.0 AJ.
- [121:03]
Wade
Can I ask you about those plans? Are those 2.0, son. And again, that is true. You know, they, they had Andy Ruiz on a bit of a short notice, came to the us, thought it was going to be easy work. And then we go, and funny enough, and we go, they were like going to talk about setting up the Tyson Fury fight after Anthony Ruiz and all these big fights, potentially wilder at the time we stopped all that. AJ cannot fall into the same trap that he fell into all those years ago. He has to have learned his lesson about overlooking people. I'm not saying that Jake Paul is the talent level, skill level, Andy Ruiz, he's certainly in better shape than Andy Ruiz. Good God, it was like a bag of milk watching Ruiz walk around. But again, this is why I say that there's all the pressure on aj. He can't even look weak in this fight, let alone lose it. He can't look weak in this fight. He can't let Jake win. Rounds, pounds in this fight. Otherwise again, to the public, that's a loss. Are you viewing it the same way that the people around you are talking about it?
- [121:55]
Anthony Joshua
What about fighting February?
- [121:57]
Wade
Well, they're saying we have a date in February, we have a date in the fall. The Tyson fight is being discussed. But you do have a fight already booked. That's, you know, you know how the game goes.
- [122:08]
Anthony Joshua
Yeah. If I'm gonna be honest, I'm gonna break his face, I'm gonna break his body up, I'm a stomp all over him. That's my mentality. Right? That's a fighter's mentality. And I know what's in my heart.
- [122:18]
Wade
God dang. Okay. That was the AJ I wanted to see. The tone switch happened immediately. The mask slipped for a second. All the respectful, hey, Jake has done a lot to get to this point. Respect him as a fighter. Good luck. He's doing great things. Good person. That went by the wayside for a second. And AJ's real mentality created. Creeped out for just a second. I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna break his face, I'm gonna break his body, and I'm gonna stomp all over him. That's the AJ that needs to show up to this fight. And if that AJ shows up, those words will be prophetic. That's exactly what he'll do. And that's the exact reason I think Jake is bitten off more than he can chew. Bars at the end of the day.
- [122:59]
Anthony Joshua
It'S just what happens at the end of the night. I'm not in there to try and knock Jake out in 10 seconds or eight rounds. I'm gonna go in there and do a job. I wanna. I'm gonna want to hurt him, you know, I'm gonna want to really hurt him in the ring. That's what I want to do. That's what I'm here to do.
- [123:15]
Wade
Do you see the difference in mentality when AJ lets the mask slip a little bit? When AJ says I'm. I want not. I'm going to hurt him, I want to hurt him. That should terrify everybody. That sends chills down my spine, because that's the mentality of a real killer. And Jake has seen killers in, you know, MMA coming over, but he's had advantages, physical advantages in those cases, right? Boxing in those cases, youth advantages in this fight, you don't really have any smaller man, less experienced, less dangerous, less height, less size, all of it, do you. You know, some of the talk has been the chin, right? Andy Ruiz Dubois. Do you subscribe to any of that? Do you feel like there is a reset button there, or do you say it? Jay, you were saying it on your YouTube channel. You were saying he's got a weak chin. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Stand on B. Think that that is not fair to aj.
- [124:04]
Jake Paul
I don't think it's necessarily fair to aj. I just know that I have the power and.
- [124:10]
Wade
Come on, Jake, you're supposed to be that. That talker dude. You say it in your videos that he has a weak Chin. That he has a glass chin. Come on, dude, say it now.
- [124:22]
Jake Paul
Timing. It's the shots that you don't see coming that knock people out.
- [124:26]
David Benavidez
True.
- [124:26]
Jake Paul
And I'm a tricky knockout artist that people. People don't give me enough credit for. I've won knockout of the year, so he has to be careful. And I do have the timing, the speed, and the, you know, the tricks up my sleeve. To be able to hit a shot on this guy that he doesn't see coming, that can put him to sleep 1000%.
- [124:47]
Wade
I don't disagree that Jake can hit him and hurt him. Jake can punch. He's a big kid that can punch. Now, he's not big compared to Anthony Joshua, but Usyk wasn't either. And Usyk can punch, and he hurt. Joshua had him on wobbly leg. Ruiz a bit smaller, even though he was large horizontally and was able to drop AJ multiple times. The difference. When Jake says, you know, I'm a tricky knockout artist. I've won knockout of the year, there's context that he's leaving out. Yes, he won knockout of the year versus Tyron Woodley in Tyron's second ever boxing match. Yes, he's knocked people out at cruiserweight. But again, I go back to. As the level of competition rose for Jake, his knockouts started to fall by the wayside. Right. As he fought guys that were better at protecting themselves and better at at quelling what he does. Offensively, yes, he still had that power, but it didn't show up in the form of devastating knockouts. How does that translate not only to heavyweight, but against Anthony Joshua? How are you even going to get to it? You're gonna hope that he overextends on his jab and you bang the right hand over the top? What's the. I have to know what this. What the tricks are he's gonna try to do because I don't see it. Who's the opponent that you were supposed to fight this weekend?
- [125:51]
Anthony Joshua
He's in Jake Paul's camp.
- [125:52]
Wade
Who's that?
- [125:58]
Devin Haney
What's his name?
- [126:01]
Wade
Oh, it's Cassius Cheney. That's right. Okay, and where was that supposed to be?
- [126:06]
Jake Paul
I already whooped that ass. Sorry, Cassius.
- [126:08]
Wade
Oh, damn. What was that supposed to be?
- [126:11]
Jake Paul
He got a broken knee right now.
- [126:14]
Wade
Where was that supposed to be?
- [126:15]
Anthony Joshua
That was going to be in Saudi Arabia.
- [126:16]
Wade
Okay.
- [126:17]
Anthony Joshua
Yeah. So we had a. A good plan lined up up to fight in Saudi Arabia. Get on there big. Like, not even announce it, but, like, just turn up, ring walk. What's he doing? No.
- [126:29]
Wade
Oh, they were gonna do a mystery opponent on the Ring magazine card this week. AJ was gonna be like, mystery fight on the ring four card happening tomorrow. Or as you guys see this today. That would have been sick. I'm not gonna lie. But obviously you take the fight with Jake over this and then you hear Jake and their team and even AJ kind of exposed it. Yeah, they brought my guy camp. I guess after this whole thing was set up and AJ wasn't going to be fighting on that card anymore, they found out who AJ was going to fight. And to test Jake against the guy that AJ was probably going to flatline, they brought the guy in to see how Jake would do with him. And Jake is saying, hey, it's Cassius Cheney. He is 66 from Baltimore, Maryland. Has a loss to Michael Hunter. Has some decent wins on here. That's some not so great wins. Jake said that was easy work and he broke his knee. Maybe that means Jake hit him and knocked him down and had one of those knockdowns where his knee got caught underneath him. I don't know. But I think again, I will say very good plan from team Jake. Those guys understand the game better than most and they have the finances to kind of just move things around very quickly. They're like, oh, we're fighting AJ now. Let's get the guy that he was going to fight and see how Jake does with him. And Jake is acting like he did very well with him. So pretty interesting. By the way, for. For all these years we always talked about Jake versus KSI and AJ versus Tyson Fury. Who would have thought in the year 2025 it would get Jake versus AJ and the other. So we're facts. That has been the most crazy part of this entire thing. And when Ariel says years. Ariel has been talking about Jake and KSI for like the last two years, maybe three. The rest of us that have wanted to see Jake versus KSI has been talking about it since like 2019. That has been where the talks really, really have started. And then of course, yeah, AJ and Anthony Joshua should have been f. Life.
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Wade
Damn near a decade, my question to.
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Anthony Joshua
Both men is who has more pressure.
- [132:34]
Devin Haney
On them going into this fight?
- [132:36]
Jake Paul
100%? Anthony. Yeah, 1,000%. This is something that's gonna weigh on him, right? Like because of what what you said, I'm going in there, I can fight free. If he starts getting touched up and losing rounds, I think the cookie will crumble.
- [132:57]
Wade
Okay, here's the mind game starting from Jake Paul. This is something that he does very, very well with all his opponents. The mind games of I'm not supposed to beat you. And look at the resume Jake was built. This might be the first time where the pressure meets the actual narrative of the fight. Jake should have no pressure here outside of don't die. AJ is going to have a ton of pressure from the boxing community, from the UK boxing community, which right now and pretty much always is far more vocal, far louder and more involved than the US boxing community. And everybody already thinks AJ's going to knock him out. So if he, if AJ doesn't do it or rounds go by and he isn't doing it, and like Jake said, he could get a little tense. Things could get a little interesting in there. All of a sudden this fight flips. Do I expect that to happen? No. But the pressure is there on AJ and almost solely on aj.
- [133:45]
Anthony Joshua
Have the boxing fans you've been speaking to since this was announced been telling you that you need to knock this Guy out. Do you know what is? I don't. I've seen it, I've heard it. But as I said to Jake, respectfully, I need to cut him up and I need to break him up and I need to hurt him. And that's just what we do. That's it. There's nothing more to it. Doesn't matter what anyone else tells me, bro.
- [134:09]
Wade
There's nothing more cold than a line served like that without anger, without malice, without theater. AJ just matter of factly being like, I'mma cut you up, I'mma break you up and I'm going to hurt you because that's what I do. That's who I am. That's what I like. That's a cold line. It is. And it's not even a line. That's just reality. And that's again going back to the, to the way I thought that this video would play out. Why Jake may have made a massive mistake is that in the boxing game, this is the first time he's going to step in front of a guy like that, Right? He's stepped in front of guys like that that if they didn't have the 10 ounce gloves on and they could use their hands and grapple and kick and punch and elbow and knee, that he would have seen that from guys like Tyron Woodley, from guys like Anderson Silva. When it comes to the boxing game, he hasn't seen that dude with that level of ability and experience and, and that mentality just yet. Tommy Fury didn't have that mentality. He says he does, but it's different than actually being about that mentality. AJ has been through the wars at the top level of this game. He's like he said, come from nothing and, and fought his way to the top. He wasn't on Love island, had a ton of money and was like, hey, my brother's a good boxer. I'mma try this. This is a real killer in front of Jake and it's completely different than anything he's ever seen. How's it going, Jake? Anthony. Hello, I'm Travis. With Wang and with Travis Hartman, I actually fought Terence Crawford in the pros and I went the distance with him and the decision that I lost. Let's go. I respect what you guys. Thank you, brother. This first question is for you, Jake. Have you heard of a guy named Sam Gerard?
- [135:41]
Jake Paul
No.
- [135:42]
Wade
Have you heard of a guy named Christian Solano?
- [135:45]
Jake Paul
No.
- [135:46]
Wade
Derek Campos?
- [135:48]
Jake Paul
No.
- [135:49]
Wade
John Medina? No. Billy Daniels?
- [135:54]
Sponsor Announcer
No.
- [135:54]
Wade
And the reason I asked that is because In Floyd Mayweather's 14th pro fight, Sam Gerard Canelo fought Christian Solano. Terrence Crawford fought Derek Campos, Muhammad Ali fought Billy Daniels. In your 14th pro fight, you're fighting Anthony Joshua. How does that make you feel? Real quick, this face right here, believe it or not, this, this is what Jake wants more than anything. Jake wants the respect of the boxing world. And a guy like this guy Travis Hartman, who was a pro boxer, people that, that do this sport, cover this sport, have been ingrained in this sport. He won't say it like this, but he wants that respect. And that's why you see that little grin out of Jake there. And yes, there's a little bit of glaze in that question. And, and you know, that seems like a very friendly question to Jake. But you know what? It's a fair question. I'm not mad at the guy for phrasing his question that way. And again, yes, that's because Jake has a massive name and a massive spotlight. Without that, Jake is not fighting Anthony Joshua in his 14th fight. But on the other side of that, the risk involved with fighting Anthony Joshua here and some of the fights that Jake had In his first 10 or 11 fights, most pros were either having or having worse opponents for. So when people, people discredit Jake's career by being like, he didn't fight this guy, he didn't fight that guy. He didn't fight a number of this contender number that. Look at your favorite fighter in their first 14 fights and you pick out the opponents that they had and the level of them. Sure, you'll have your outliers, your Vasili Lomachenkos and other guys that fought tough competition right away. But most, and I mean most meaning 95% of the sport of boxing had tomato cans until he had 15 to 20 win. Give Jake his credit. He's fought guys that even were better on his resume than some of your favorite fighters. And now he's fighting Josh woods this early. That deserves the credit that I know and the acknowledgment that I know Jake is looking for. Do you think if you don't knock him out, that's considered a loss for you?
- [137:52]
David Benavidez
Win or lose, if you don't knock.
- [137:54]
Wade
Him out, do you think that's a loss for you?
- [137:57]
Anthony Joshua
Are you asking for me? Are you asking for you?
- [138:02]
Sponsor Announcer
Well, both.
- [138:02]
Wade
But in your opinion, if you go eight rounds and win a decision against a guy who's only had 13 rounds pro fights, it's.
- [138:09]
Anthony Joshua
No, no, no, no, no, it's not. It's not that. That's. That's what I'm saying. That's for you. Are you asking for me? Are you asking from your perspective, Yours from your perspective? From mine, yeah.
- [138:20]
Wade
Is it a win for you if you just. If you just beat him, or do.
- [138:23]
Devin Haney
You need to knock him out?
- [138:24]
Anthony Joshua
I need to knock him out.
- [138:25]
Wade
I like that.
- [138:26]
Anthony Joshua
Why did you stop fighting?
- [138:28]
Wade
What?
- [138:28]
Anthony Joshua
Why did you stop fighting?
- [138:31]
Wade
I got three kids.
- [138:32]
Anthony Joshua
Yeah, focus, Paris.
- [138:33]
Wade
I got 46, six pro fights, 170amateur fights.
- [138:36]
Anthony Joshua
I might get you podcast because I love doing this. What's that? I might get you in for some sparring for Jake.
- [138:43]
Wade
AJ's gonna spar. The. The guy asking questions. I like AJ's answer there. And it's the only answer, truly, that he or anybody else can have in this situation. He was asking like, oh, is it from your perspective or mine? Doesn't really matter whose perspective it's from. AJ loses in the court of public opinion if he goes to a decision, which Jake Paul, I don't care. If he wins the fight, he loses in the court of public opinion. Just like Tyson Fury lost so much respect and so much adulation when he took the Francis Ngannou fight and then almost lost and arguably could have lost that fight. It was a stain. It was on the sport, on him by proxy. And people made up excuses like, oh, Tyson didn't take him serious. Oh, Tyson was overweight. But it still happened. And you can't take that memory away. And this would be of a similar stature for. For aj. And people might even consider it a worse thing for aj, because Jake's not a natural heavyweight, because Jake's never been a champion. Even in another sport, they may go, yeah, losing rounds to Jake or going to a decision with Jake is even worse than what Tyson did with Francis. I don't necessarily agree with that. But the point is AJ has to knock Jake out. No question about it. It has to be the result. And I'm glad that AJ has the confidence to speak that and not go, well, you know, if it is a decision, then it is, and that's what. What happens. No, this has to end one way and one way only for aj. By knockout. Again, this is why Jake has no pressure, because AJ has to knock him out. And if he can't do it, Jake can go around for the rest of his career being like, okay, yeah, I lost to a guy with far more experience than me, but he couldn't knock me out, couldn't hurt me. If he can't hurt me, none of y' all can't. You know, What I'm saying absolutely has to be an AJ knockout. I want to ask a question for Anthony Joshua. Every time you've taken a defeat in your career, you've come back better, stronger, more motivated, and looking explosive. What does that set in you each.
- [140:29]
Jake Paul
Time you take a loss?
- [140:30]
Wade
And how motivated are you to take on Jake Paul in the spout?
- [140:33]
Anthony Joshua
It's that grip. It's I want to be up just as much as people want to see me down. The negatives, the people that don't believe in me is how much I want to be where I need to be. I'm just hungry, devoted, dedicated. And that's why I'm chasing, chasing.
- [140:50]
David Benavidez
Give me more.
- [140:51]
Anthony Joshua
All right, cool. Ben Davidson, phenomenal coach. All right, you know what, Usyk, Ben, what do you think? Ben said 100%. That's a great move. Went out there, spent time with the free time. Undisputed champ. They're killing me, drilling me, but this is where I need to be. And. And that's how serious I'm taking Jake. Respect to him. I'm not only fighting Jake, I'm fighting his, like, his mind. The psychological aspect of Jake that I need to break and man who believes in himself, they say he's delusional. I've got to break that delusion and bring him down to a reality check, make him have a reality check in the ring.
- [141:25]
David Benavidez
And quick question.
- [141:27]
Wade
Oh, my goodness. And you see AJ understanding exactly what I've been saying is that Jake lives, and Jake even knows this on delusional optimism because he hasn't experienced yet. What happens when that breaks. What happens when reality fits its way in to the reality you've created up here. When that shatters and you're in front of a real killer, that shows you that it is more than just delusion at this point. It's more than just self belief. That's going to get you past at this point. You're still going to have to have the attributes and the ability and the skill. That's what I like to see out of aj. Like, I'm not even fighting Jake. I'm fighting his mindset. I'm trying to break that delusion and bring him back to reality bars. Official prediction. What is it?
- [142:09]
Anthony Joshua
It you got to tune into Netflix December 19th to find out.
- [142:14]
Wade
We're not going with a specific round. You said knockout already.
- [142:18]
Anthony Joshua
That's my dream. I go bring it to reality.
- [142:22]
Wade
Official prediction.
- [142:24]
Jake Paul
I think a fourth or fifth round knockout by me.
- [142:27]
Wade
Jake is saying fourth or fifth round knockout. Interesting. Surviving to the fourth and Fifth would be a win again in my book for Jake. The knockout would be unique, unthinkable. Face off time. Let's go. An eight round heavyweight battle that is going down December 19th live and exclusively on Netflix. Oh, my God. If you thought the Jake and Tank face off was ridiculous, look at this. Jake has got a fresh look at AJ's titties. He's about to motorboat them shits. He is eye level with AJ's pectorals. This is fucking crazy, bro. Looking up, I saw that after the presser. AJ had a cold line. He said he went from looking down at Tank to looking up at one. And it's true. I mean, again, it's not just the height. Look at the mass and the width and the build. Like, Jake is having to build himself into heavyweight. And obviously you can't build height, but he's trying to put on size. H.J. just naturally, that guy, man, he's naturally just that strong ox motherfucker. AJ's bigger than Jake's bodyguard. I'm saying, like, he's bigger than the guys Jake hired to protect protect him, and they can't even protect him in this fight. That's incredible. And again, you know, body language expert time. Whatever. I see belief in both guys eyes. Jake isn't hiding from it. Again, delusional optimism, delusional confidence. He's not hiding. AJ's not hiding from it. AJ's there to stick it on him. He walked right up on him like, yeah, this isn't some play about show. I'm here to knock you the fuck out. Ain't no sympathy here. Ain't no, hey, congratulations. You know you got big balls taking the fight. No, I'm going to treat you like I treat everybody else. That's exactly what it needs to be. Don't like, looks like Jake is trying to get into the club and the bouncer's like, nah, bro, I need to see some id. You're getting escorted from the club. Oh, my God, look at Nikisa. Nikisa's like, what the are we doing? Look at him shake his head. He's like, oh, man, what are we doing here again? It's insane, dude. Jake barely comes past his shoulder. Jake, you have officially lost your mind anyway. All right, man. There it is, folks. Listen, we have so much more to get to with this fight. Breakdowns of styles, breakdowns of interactions, actions, all types of different stuff that we're going to continue to do as we get closer and closer to this fight. But today was the first press conference and I want to ask you guys, what did you see here? Both guys, respectful for the most part. In here, Jake was playing some mind games and honestly showing the delusional confidence that he has A.J. matter of fact, there to do a job. Not messing about with the mind games, not really playing back into him, not taking bets, only there to cash checks and take Jake's head off. That's what we want to see from both guys. Confidence in danger on the line. And again, I think Jake has made a terrible, terrible mistake here that he doesn't even know yet because of that delusional confidence, because he's put on these big events and all the business around boxing has maybe put him into a corner where this is the event he had to do because of the tank fight falling through because of the numbers of the Mike Tyson fight. Him. We talk about pressure, that might be the pressure that Jake is under to, to. To build a massive event and to keep his name on that massive scale. But I think this time and this choice of Anthony Joshua was a mistake. That's what I think. You guys let me know down below. Again, we are just getting started with this fight. Build more coming. And the question I'll leave off with, who won this press conference, if anybody, between Jake and AJ and does it mean anything for the fight? I don't have those answers. But, folks, Christmas is coming early because we got Jake, Paul and Anthony Joshua in one of the most insane fights I never thought we'd see. What happens on Friday, December 19th? Guess we'll find out. All right, so we are back on the way. Concept presented by the Ring magazine and folks, David Benavidez, El Monte throw is back. He just systematically broke down, brutalized and defeated Anthony Yard in one of the most dominant ways possible. And I'm not talking about a Devin Haney domination where he's putting people to sleep and not inside the ring. Not a shot. I'm just playing. Congrats to Devin Haney winning a belt in his move to 147 pounds, three division champion. That cannot be ignored. He is an extraordinary talent. What he does next, I have no idea. Maybe work on some Xanax commercials. Okay, I'm playing Bam. Rodriguez was also dominant tonight and Abdullah Mason's an absolute dog. And I'm spelling that D A W, G because that man gets down and throws bombs with people every single fight. Sam Nokes won a few fans tonight as well. But the main story and the only story that we're going to talk about today is David Benavidez as he Stops Anthony Yard in the seventh round of this main event. What just happened and what's next for Benavidez? Those questions got answered tonight and more. So let's talk about it. The breakdown. Let's go. Go. All right, so main event time. Anthony Yard and David Benavidez. I thought potentially any of the four fights on the main card could be main events. Maybe not Abdullah Mason, but main events for a lot of different cards, but they're packed into one Night of the champions card for Ring four. A fantastic event that I think again showcased the best and brightest in the sport of boxing. And from young to veteran to elite, you saw it all here. But David Benavidez ends off the night, which was the right call because let's be honest, the Devin haney, Brian Norman Jr. Fight left a little bit to be desired as far as the action packed card that was around it. But nevertheless, this was the main event and David Benavidez and Anthony Yard showed up for a war. That was the talking point leading into this fight, that both guys were going to swing it out, that both guys were going to be in there and looking for blood, that both guys were going to showcase the old school of boxing. And that's kind of exactly what happened, at least on the side of David Benavidez. Anthony Yard, he welcomed that fight, but didn't necessarily get as fully into into it as Benavidez did. As the fight started. It was a more patient feeling out process in the first round for both guys, but you saw the tempo of the fight, you saw how it was going to go from start to end, which was David Benavidez on the front foot and Anthony Yard on the back foot. And that was pretty much the story of this fight. Anthony Yard trying to be a counter puncher off his back foot. I'm not sure what the reasoning was for that. Maybe, okay, we walk Benavidez into some shots and maybe we heard him off the back foot and then change the, the tempo of the fight. But when you're fighting David Benavidez, you have to stop him in his tracks. If he gets the train rolling down the tracks, it's over with. It's him. 18 Wheeler going full speed ahead. Combination punching to the body and upstairs as well. There's not much you can do about that when he is in that flow, when he is dogging it out on the front foot and landing heavy volume. If you're not able to do that and you're looking for that one shot off the back foot on the ropes, you're going to get dominated in a way that Anthony Yard kind of got dominated tonight. He didn't have the power to back David Benavidez off. And it's not to say that Anthony Yard didn't land punches and he wasn't there for the fight. He was. I just thought it was bad strategy and worse execution because he couldn't land a punch that got the respect to David Benavidez. He landed good punches, but not one that would hurt Benavidez like a David Morell landed on him or even earlier in his career when he was dropped. So it wasn't like the strategy was proving to be successful and they kept going back to it. Meanwhile, David Benavidez started to heat up. As he does in fight fights, he starts little by little to break you down with that pressure, with that pace and with that volume. And it was a masterful display. When Benavidez gets it going, when he is on the front foot and he's looking for blood, man, he is one of the most special guys to watch because it's devastating intent. Round after round, you saw him back Anthony Yard into the corner, land combinations, bloodiest face up. I'm pretty sure he broke Anthony Yard's nose, swelled his eye up and everything else. And at the end of the round, after David Benavidez had walked the door dog on him for, you know, a good two minutes or so straight, you'd see Benavidez look at Anthony Yard like, yeah, I got more of that coming next round. Now you thought that was the worst of it. I got more for you coming. Like, it was pretty surreal to watch how as the rounds went on more and more, David Benavidez got more and more devastating, more and more brutal as the fight went on. And as we got into the sixth round, I think Anthony Yard caught Benavidez. Maybe it was the fifth, I'm not sure, maybe fifth or sixth. Caught him with a nasty sneaky counter right hand, which was again, a little, a lot of what Anthony Yard was doing. Maybe he was trying to conserve energy because he is a bit of a bigger light heavyweight and he's really muscle bound. So maybe he's thinking, okay, if I can get him into the last part or the last half of the fight, then I can really turn it up. But the problem with David Benavidez is as you trying to turn it up, he turns it up as well and he can go to a level that these other fighters at 168, at 175, and as we'll find out after the fight, at 200 pounds they can't go to. He's got a VIP floor. When he presses that button, that elevator keeps going up and there is no ceiling to stop it. And that's probably his greatest weapon. Like you look at the two guys in the ring and you think, Anthony Yard, the beast from the east, this massive muscled up light heavyweight and David Benavidez, big guy, tall guy, but looks a bit soft to the midsection, doesn't have a ton of muscles and he doesn't need them. He kind of has the perfect build for this style of fighting. Heavy volume punching, muscle memory to turn shots over. There were questions coming into this fight about David Benavidez's punching power. He hadn't stopped anyone at 175. Can he punch with these guys? At 75, will his power carry over or was he just a weight bully at 168? Turns out he got rid of Anthony Yard, who stood there with archer better bias and traded punches and, and he made it look easy. As we got into that fifth and sixth round, like I said, Anthony Yard caught him with a counter right hand and he cut the bridge of David Benavidez's nose. And in the post fight interview, David Benavidez said, yeah, that's the moment where I said, okay, you want to shoot out? Let's go. Already winning probably all the rounds. I mean, you could say Yard maybe won one round. I don't know which one you give him, but I thought David Benavidez was pitching a shutout and then decided to go to that next level again. Anthony Yard, you kind of asked yourself, is he not letting his hands go because of he's a little tentative of what's coming back, or is he trying to wait out Benavidez? We get into that sixth and then eventually the seventh round, you start to understand, oh, this is why Anthony Yard didn't want to get on his front foot. This is why he didn't want to play plant in the center of the ring and go back and forth with David Benavidez because he's going to lose that fight. The more times you open up to throw, the more times Benavidez will counter you. And he's going to throw three to four to five punches to your one. He's got incredible hand speed at 175 and again, devastating. When it adds up, the more the numbers go. And again, I just, maybe I'm wrong, but it's not only just the numbers, but it feels like he gets more devastating. The power starts to hit hard, harder as he goes through the Fight. And they get to the end of the sixth round and one of the craziest things I've ever seen. And again, you see some of these highlights from Benavidez fights. He's in the clinch, and Anthony Yard has pinned David Benavidez right hand under his left hand. And Benavidez on the other side is like, cool, you can hold this arm. We're in the clinch. I'm going to throw 700 left hooks in a row and they're going to all land to the body and upstairs. It was like a video game, the way he just kept going to the. Well, referee wasn't separating him because one guy was working in the clinch and one guy wasn't. And Benavidez was trying to pop the head off a PEZ dispenser. He was lighting Anthony Yard up with that left hand. And again you started to see it in rounds four, five and six, he was breaking Anthony Yard down more and more and more. You started to see the physical anguish on the face and body of Yard. You started to see him not engage as much. You started to see him take that back step and look to play more defense than defense to offense transition. Benavidez was systematically breaking him down. We get to the second seventh round, and this is how much of a gangster Benavidez is. He goes into that seventh round not looking to let up, not looking to, to take a foot off the gas pedal, but looking to slam that pedal through the floorboard. As he got even more volume off in the seventh round, had Anthony Yard up against the ropes, hit him with a right hand, left hook, nose broken, probably bleeding profusely, and he punches him down to the ground. Let's say that again he punched him through the the ground. Now again, I think he landed a couple. As Yard was getting to the ground and his knee may have been touching the ground, and Benavidez landed a couple more. Referee took two points away from David Benavidez in that moment, which I don't think I've ever seen two points on one occasion like that. Maybe he hit him with two illegal shots, which is why. But Benavidez was trying to put him through the ground. And again, I don't think it was like bad sportsmanship or he was trying to like, you know, do something against the rules. Just got carried away a little bit. But my point is that's how much violence he wants, wanted to inflict even in the seventh round. And he didn't care that he got the two points taken away because about a minute later he followed up even more and stops Anthony Yard with a nasty, brutal left hook. I mean, blood was flying through the air. It looked like a horror film in that seventh round. And it was a devastating left hook. The referee saw Anthony Yard start to get dizzy and wobbly, and I think one more punch would have dropped him for good. But he steps in, the fight is stopped. And David Bennett says, let me remind y' all who El Monstro really is. No Decision. Victory. This was an absolute systematic destruction from David Benavidez. This was huge for his name, for his career, or again, to. To. To re exemplify that El Monstro mentality. And, man, I mean, I get goosebumps watching that kind of performance, because that's the type of boxing I like to see. That man is nasty and he's violent, and he knows he is, and that's what he wants to be. That's what this sport is supposed to be. Yes, we have the sweet science of hitting and not getting hit, and there's nothing wrong with that. If that's your type of boxing that you like to watch, I understand. But, boy, there is nothing like watching a dude like that. That's just a bad. Excuse my language. Go in there against another bad in Anthony Yard, who's been there with other bad motherfuckers, and make him look obsolete, make him look silly. Just make him look like he's not even in the same league as David Benavidez. And that's exactly what he did. Benavidez keeps his WBC Light Heavyweight Championship. But then we got the announcement of all announcements after the fight. You're thinking, okay, maybe Benavidez goes and fights Artur Better Bev. Or, you know, we've heard the stories about him and Bivol sparring, but then we think maybe that better be of And Bivol are going to do the trilogy. It is 1:1. Although I'm not necessarily. I don't need to see the trilogy. I think we've seen enough from both guys, even though if you want to do the trilogy, that's fine. But David Benavidez swerves the whole thing. David Benavidez says y' all can have your trilogy. Matter of fact, y' all can have light heavyweight. I'm going to cruiserweight, and I'm gonna fight Zerto Ramirez, son. That's right. The WBO cruiserweight champion of the world just fought and beat Duniel Dordikos. I think it was this year. Yeah, in June of this year. But he does have one loss on his record. It was to Dimitri Bivol at light heavyweight, but then he since moved to cruiserweight. He's had some very good wins. I'm gonna be honest though, he did not look great against Dorticos. And the way David Benavidez fights with that type of volume, with that type of nasty, with that type of gas tank, he doesn't slow down. David Benavidez might win that fight easily. I'm gonna say that now. He might win that fight easily. We'll see what type of shape Zorro comes in. We'll see like how he approaches that fight. Zordo when he's on, when he's in shape, when he's, when he's taking a fight fight seriously. And again, I don't know what happened in that Dorticos fight, but he did not look good at all. He looked like a heavyweight in there. But when Zordo was on, his feet are moving. He's a good volume puncher, great boxer. He better have some of that and more. When David Benavidez rolls into town at light heavyweight, if not, that monster is going to destroy. Even at light heavyweight, he's got the frame for it. He's got the size. Hell, he's taller than me. I'm six four. I don't think David Benavidez is going to struggle in that fight even a little bit. So Zordo better pack of lunch because I did not expect that announcement right here. I'd heard the rumors that Benavidez was going to go to cruiserweight to potentially fight Zordo. I thought maybe he'd stay around and fight at light heavyweight before doing that. But Benavidez is on the move and he said he's doing it. Here's the other interesting part. On May 2, in other words, he's putting his flag in the ground. That's a Canelo fight date. That's a Canelo fight time. That's usually May, September. Canelo dominates those two dates in a year. David Benavidez said, if you're going to run from me, if you're not to going to fight me, I'll take your dates. There's a new sheriff in town. There's a new star in Mexican boxing and his name is El Monstro. So yeah, man, what a fight. What a card. Ring 4 once again delivered Turkey Elisha killing it with the matchups and these fighters understanding the opportunity that they have. The guys like Abdullah Mason, even Sam Noaks, even guys like Devin Haney moving up and getting his third belt dropping Brian Norman Jr. When all the talk was about Brian Norman Jr. Being the Devastator, being the knockout artist and Devin coming up drops him and essentially shuts him out and wins a decision. Bam Rodriguez absolutely doing a number on Puma Martinez. That was nasty work, treating him like he wasn't even in the same ballpark, even in the same league, even in the same stratosphere. Would love to see Bam. And in a way, even though in a way is probably a little too big. But hey, we need some big fights for the little guys. All in all, fantastic event. Let me know what you guys think down below. What's next for all those guys? What's next for the Ring magazine is Ring 5 coming up in just a couple weeks, but boxing's on fire right now, so make sure you guys stay subscribed, hear the way concept and whatever happens next in the sport. Don't have those answers, but guess we'll find out. Amazon five Star Theater presents Real customer reviews performed by a real serious improv podcaster to tonight's review. Furby. I bought a Furby as a nostalgic joke.
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David Benavidez
Joke's on me.
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Wade
Day 1 Adorable giggles wiggles its ears says me love you. Day 3 Woke me up at 3am whispering in Furbish. I think it summoned something. Day 5 I'm starting asking for life advice. Day 7 It blinked at me like it knew I blinked back. We've reached an understanding. I fear it. I I love it. 5 stars Aaron M. Find your perfect.
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David Benavidez
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Wade
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Wade
This is that classic HBCU vibe. Non stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit. Chance echo drum beat everybody showing that school pride. Game like this. Yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola. Ah, Chris. And refreshing. That's a game changer right there. Yeah, that taste always hits the right note. Just like the band at halftime. And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere and an ice cold Coca Cola. That's a winning combo. No matter the sport, no matter the yard. Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca Cola and keep that at hbcupride going.
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Wade
Belief that the world doesn't get to.
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Jake Paul
Decide what you're capable of.
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Wade
You do. So ask yourself, can you or can't you? Can you load up a Ford F150 and build your dream with sweat and steel?
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Jake Paul
Can you chase thrills and conquer curves in a Mustang? Can you take a Bronco to where.
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Wade
The map ends and adventure begins?
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Jake Paul
Whether you think you can or think.
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Wade
You can't, you're right. Ready, set.
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Wade
This episode is brought to you by pbs, home of Ken Burns. His newest film, the American Revolution, reveals untold stories of people, some familiar, many forgotten, who risked everything to change the course of history. It's the story of a war that was bloody, constant, complex and profoundly consequential. Ken Burns and his co directors, Sarah Botstein and David Schmidt, shine a light on how this historic fight for independence lit the spark for freedom that still burns today. Stream the American Revolution on the PBS app. Don't miss it.
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Devin Haney
This is an iHeart podcast.